Picked this guy up for $69.67 at Lowe's today. Brand new, Sealed box. The customer associates hesitated when it rang up $200 off. Best of luck with all your projects 👍
I do Interior Trim work so I use a cordless nailer a lot. I've tried basically every barnd. This gun doesn't sink the 2 inch nailers into harder wood each time.
A lowes customer actually bought one today 🥳 I've got about a years worth of Saturdays at lowes and that's the second or third metabo hpt tool I've seen sell. Underrated imo
I have a makita 18v and paslode along with the metabo 18g. Out of all 3 and a year of use with metabo, it is by far the best. Drives the nails perfectly and this gun has a lot of power. Bb by ztn
Have the framing gun. Bought it first been great, so impressed bought the 15 g finish gun, worked great for about six months, then had a critical failure, need to send back, despite that bought the 23 g pin gun is ok a little weak and just recently bought the 18 g brad so far like the framing gun, impressed.
You know what I’d like to see is a video on how the heck to clean and maintain these things without getting too into the inner workings just simple clear jam lubricate what’s appropriate? What’s not because the folks at the big box stores have no clue on these things and you end up buying oil that’s for something else or Use the wrong product to clean it and then you’ve got a ruined $400 tool. And there isn’t a lot of videos on that I found a minute one that shows you how to remove the magazine on the framing nailer and quickly clear jam, and I found a one by a housewife for the Brad dealer, but as far as cleaning it and those kind of things it’s few and far between That said, your video was concise, informative, and straight up to the point, which is exactly what somebody wants. They’re looking to buy or hopefully maintain these kinds of tools.
great video - wished you would have made a mention (or else I missed it ) about the actual nail hole itself. i have found over the years that each nailer makes a different kind of hole, like the bostitch smart point makes a very neat , no mar, hole that is excellent especially for nailing pre finished wood so that there is minimal filling. Some nailers simply make a bigger hole than needed. Does this one create a minimal size hole with no surrounding marring?
Friggin awesome! Smaller/lighter is better! I bought my cordless guns when they were Hitachi. I've got the 23, 18, 15 gauges, and a framer. I couldn't be happier. Well, now I could, because they just made this one. Haha! The "older" ones used the same tool body and just made design modifications for the different nail sizes. Even the 15gauge is the same basic gun with just different magazine and such. So, this is great that they completely revamped the 18 gauge. I probably won't buy it, though. I can live with the super sized one I have now. Thanks for the video! Good stuff as always!
I have the 16 ga, 18ga and framer, gen 1. These damn things won't die. I will replace each one as soon as it dies with Milwaukee, but hasn't happened yet. Only gripes are - the nail follower in framer gets dirty easily and doesn't push nails as hard so I get occasional misfire. - the 16ga doesn't like 2.5" nails period!
I love my Hitachi 18v guns, so I’m excited to see improved versions coming to market. My only gripe is with the 16ga nailer which seems to not like sinking any nails longer than 1.75” which is quite disappointing. The 18ga has no issues with 2” nails and the 15ga and 30deg framer work like a charm. My compressor has been collecting dust. I would like to see an 18v coil roofing nailer though
Do this nailer still have that 30 minute shutoff feature where it turns the nailer off on you after 30 minutes of not using it? And also the 3 second tip depress where it won't fire the the nail if you hold the tip down for more than 3 seconds?
I wont be buying because it has those "features". What a let down. Cant believe they left them like that considering everyone i speak to hates it ant thats why i sold my gen 1.
@@ConcordCarpenter glad to hear that, i have the m18 but am always intrigued by new offerings from other manufactures. I used to be loyal to one battery platform but I have found myself over the last few years giving up that loyalty if I find a tool that I like better on another platform.
Any of you guys have had any problem with the Milwaukee 23 gauge gun not sinking the pins? Mine very seldom sinks them completely in any type of wood. Yes I've checked the depth drive dial and it's set to the deepest setting...
I’m not sure how much framing you do, but have you had a chance to look at the new Metabo cordless Metal Connector nailer for joist hangers/brackets etc?
@@ConcordCarpenter I’m sorry I must have missed it! I’ve been sitting through your videos for a few days now, I appreciate how thorough you are in the reviews and the looking back videos are great too!
@@bowtiedooley I just spoke to scott one of the guys on my team and he is actively reviewing this now. There will be a ride up on toolboxbuzz probably in a few weeks
Do you plan on reviewing their 2nd gen 16 GA nailer? Since Milwaukee doesn't seem to have any plans on releasing a Gen 2, I may have to get into a 4th battery platform...
They're about the same in power and speed, but the Hitachi is better for 3 main reasons(in my experience). -The gen2 M18 leaves a flat line indent in all but the hardest woods. The gen2 Hitachi leaves just the dot of the nail head. They both sink nails no problem. Something is causing the Hitachi to sink nails more smoothly. -The Hitachi/Metabo hpt is smaller and lighter than the Milwaukee, and noticeably more comfortable in the hand. It feels like you're holding a pneumatic 18g with no hose. -The Hitachi(like most of their cordless guns)can be serviced at home since it uses air while the Milwaukee uses nitrogen and must be sent in. This is huge long term. The M18 will last 1-2 years under moderate use before it becomes weakened to the point where it's not usable. When you warranty it. Milwaukee will tell you how much it cost them to recharge and/or replace the cylinder, and it's about $300. The warranty is 5 years, so you'll get it serviced 2 or 3 times under warranty. After that it's cheaper to just buy a new gun. The Hitachi can be serviced by the owner for free indefinitely, or until the parts themselves break down. The warranty in the US is also about 2-3 times the length of Milwaukee's warranty.
I agree. I dislike all the bags. I prefer a hard case. I just bought the Milwaukee M18 Framing nailer and the nailer battery and charger go in a huge oversized bag... 😞
@@ConcordCarpenter Continues shots until unit overheats from a box of 5,000 7/8 long staples simulating mass area stapling. I install underlayment and this would be helpful for floor installers.
@@Zombieboxx1 I own milwaukee stapler. Tried using it on an underlayment job with 1" staples (I think) and it's basically unusable. I figure same goes for pretty much every other battery powered stapler. Heat is the enemy of these tools, especially since they try and make them as small as possible so not much ventilation. With m18 stapler in my case, starting with it from cold in the morning, staples on edges every few inches and about 1'x1' throughout sheet, I got about 4 sheets in before it overheated and shut down. I had 60 sheets to staple down, lol. Once it overheated, I had to set it down and if I waited about 15 minutes I could get another sheet in, 2 if I paced myself. One thing I noticed, if I pushed stapler to its limit of 3 shots per second, it would overheat extremely fast where as if I paced myself and deliberately went slower, maybe 1 shot per second, it would last longer and let me do more before overheating at the cost of time. So these staplers in my experience are a no go for big jobs but are ridiculously convenient for smaller jobs where maybe you're only doing one room and not a whole house. One thing that helped is we had AC running in house we were remodeling and every chance I get I would put it over the vent to cool it off fast. Ideally, IMO, if you really want to do big jobs with battery staplers, you would need 2 or 3 so you have a few cooling off while you're working the other one. One annoying problem my milwaukee stapler (and brad nailer too) has is a tendency to dry fire with plenty of staples and nails. It's like it can't grab a hold of next nail/staple and just keeps on dry firing with you having no idea. Very annoying having to go back and figure out where it happened and redo your work. That's why I'll continue to use air staplers for big jobs. Hopefully milwaukee fixes this feeding issue in gen 3.
where can i buy this tool? i just bought the first gen NT1850DE(S) but this new NT1850DF is only 4.4lbs vs the orignal 7.3lbs. which is defintely worth the upgrade
I own this tool and figured out that the power button is at the bottom inside of the hand grip. I've been working with construction tools for decades, but this threw me.
Looks like they made some good improvements! Looking forward to trying this one out. Great review!
Hey! It’s Scott Brown here. Love your videos bud, I’m a techie and you make me want to be a damn carpenter lmao
already owner the new hikoki, they made it even better lighter
@Flip The Pickle Lighter than the previous model
Picked this guy up for $69.67 at Lowe's today. Brand new, Sealed box.
The customer associates hesitated when it rang up $200 off. Best of luck with all your projects 👍
I do Interior Trim work so I use a cordless nailer a lot. I've tried basically every barnd. This gun doesn't sink the 2 inch nailers into harder wood each time.
A lowes customer actually bought one today 🥳
I've got about a years worth of Saturdays at lowes and that's the second or third metabo hpt tool I've seen sell. Underrated imo
I have a makita 18v and paslode along with the metabo 18g. Out of all 3 and a year of use with metabo, it is by far the best. Drives the nails perfectly and this gun has a lot of power. Bb by ztn
Have the framing gun. Bought it first been great, so impressed bought the 15 g finish gun, worked great for about six months, then had a critical failure, need to send back, despite that bought the 23 g pin gun is ok a little weak and just recently bought the 18 g brad so far like the framing gun, impressed.
You know what I’d like to see is a video on how the heck to clean and maintain these things without getting too into the inner workings just simple clear jam lubricate what’s appropriate? What’s not because the folks at the big box stores have no clue on these things and you end up buying oil that’s for something else or Use the wrong product to clean it and then you’ve got a ruined $400 tool.
And there isn’t a lot of videos on that I found a minute one that shows you how to remove the magazine on the framing nailer and quickly clear jam, and I found a one by a housewife for the Brad dealer, but as far as cleaning it and those kind of things it’s few and far between
That said, your video was concise, informative, and straight up to the point, which is exactly what somebody wants. They’re looking to buy or hopefully maintain these kinds of tools.
Great review! I’m really eager to try it out for myself in the future!
Damn I have all their 1st gen nailers almost and they are quality. Didn’t know they are coming to market with a gen 2.
great video - wished you would have made a mention (or else I missed it ) about the actual nail hole itself. i have found over the years that each nailer makes a different kind of hole, like the bostitch smart point makes a very neat , no mar, hole that is excellent especially for nailing pre finished wood so that there is minimal filling. Some nailers simply make a bigger hole than needed. Does this one create a minimal size hole with no surrounding marring?
Friggin awesome! Smaller/lighter is better! I bought my cordless guns when they were Hitachi. I've got the 23, 18, 15 gauges, and a framer. I couldn't be happier. Well, now I could, because they just made this one. Haha! The "older" ones used the same tool body and just made design modifications for the different nail sizes. Even the 15gauge is the same basic gun with just different magazine and such. So, this is great that they completely revamped the 18 gauge. I probably won't buy it, though. I can live with the super sized one I have now. Thanks for the video! Good stuff as always!
Thanks Rob!
About time for another round of vs with 18 gauge Brad nailers.
Yes
Great review, thorough as always.
What about the new 40v Makita brad nailer..?
I have the 16 ga, 18ga and framer, gen 1. These damn things won't die. I will replace each one as soon as it dies with Milwaukee, but hasn't happened yet. Only gripes are
- the nail follower in framer gets dirty easily and doesn't push nails as hard so I get occasional misfire.
- the 16ga doesn't like 2.5" nails period!
I love my Hitachi 18v guns, so I’m excited to see improved versions coming to market. My only gripe is with the 16ga nailer which seems to not like sinking any nails longer than 1.75” which is quite disappointing. The 18ga has no issues with 2” nails and the 15ga and 30deg framer work like a charm. My compressor has been collecting dust. I would like to see an 18v coil roofing nailer though
Son this is no longer the current newest model, right?
Do this nailer still have that 30 minute shutoff feature where it turns the nailer off on you after 30 minutes of not using it? And also the 3 second tip depress where it won't fire the the nail if you hold the tip down for more than 3 seconds?
Yes
I wont be buying because it has those "features". What a let down. Cant believe they left them like that considering everyone i speak to hates it ant thats why i sold my gen 1.
Which do you like better, this nailer or the Milwaukee M18
Milwaukee 2nd gen is better, plus has a 23g to. this one still weighs a lot.
m18 has a why better tool line up and tablesaw and miter are m18 .
The Milwaukee is better
@@ConcordCarpenter glad to hear that, i have the m18 but am always intrigued by new offerings from other manufactures. I used to be loyal to one battery platform but I have found myself over the last few years giving up that loyalty if I find a tool that I like better on another platform.
Any of you guys have had any problem with the Milwaukee 23 gauge gun not sinking the pins? Mine very seldom sinks them completely in any type of wood. Yes I've checked the depth drive dial and it's set to the deepest setting...
@@reddawgrup1779 Try headed pins
How about doing a review on the senco cordless framing nailer.
Shouldn't the brads be loaded towards the front of the tool? Closest to the material you're driving the nails into?
yep
I’m not sure how much framing you do, but have you had a chance to look at the new Metabo cordless Metal Connector nailer for joist hangers/brackets etc?
Yes we reviewed it
@@ConcordCarpenter I’m sorry I must have missed it! I’ve been sitting through your videos for a few days now, I appreciate how thorough you are in the reviews and the looking back videos are great too!
@@bowtiedooley I don’t think we did a video on it I think we just did a write up on toolboxbuzz.com
@@ConcordCarpenter I was wondering because I couldn’t find anything on here about that specific nailer. I thought I was missing it somewhere
@@bowtiedooley I just spoke to scott one of the guys on my team and he is actively reviewing this now. There will be a ride up on toolboxbuzz probably in a few weeks
How do you load the neil’s? Will it take 1/4 Stapler? Thank you!
I wish they fixed the light.
Does this gun work on baseboards? Door casings?
Do you like it better than the Milwaukee 18g
Do you plan on reviewing their 2nd gen 16 GA nailer? Since Milwaukee doesn't seem to have any plans on releasing a Gen 2, I may have to get into a 4th battery platform...
I’ll look at it
Thanks Rob, do you this one over the Makita?
yes
They also have a new 36V framing nailer that is the sh*t
I own the Milwaukee gen 2 brad nailer is it safe to say Milwaukee is still better?
No
Yes.
They're about the same in power and speed, but the Hitachi is better for 3 main reasons(in my experience).
-The gen2 M18 leaves a flat line indent in all but the hardest woods. The gen2 Hitachi leaves just the dot of the nail head. They both sink nails no problem. Something is causing the Hitachi to sink nails more smoothly.
-The Hitachi/Metabo hpt is smaller and lighter than the Milwaukee, and noticeably more comfortable in the hand. It feels like you're holding a pneumatic 18g with no hose.
-The Hitachi(like most of their cordless guns)can be serviced at home since it uses air while the Milwaukee uses nitrogen and must be sent in. This is huge long term. The M18 will last 1-2 years under moderate use before it becomes weakened to the point where it's not usable. When you warranty it. Milwaukee will tell you how much it cost them to recharge and/or replace the cylinder, and it's about $300. The warranty is 5 years, so you'll get it serviced 2 or 3 times under warranty. After that it's cheaper to just buy a new gun. The Hitachi can be serviced by the owner for free indefinitely, or until the parts themselves break down. The warranty in the US is also about 2-3 times the length of Milwaukee's warranty.
These high end tool companies need to start making hard cases for how expensive these tools are. 🙄
In the uk they come in a hard case.
I agree. I dislike all the bags. I prefer a hard case. I just bought the Milwaukee M18 Framing nailer and the nailer battery and charger go in a huge oversized bag... 😞
Can you do an endurance test with cordless 18 guage narrow crown staplers? The newest ryobi P361 vs milwaukee vs dewalt?
What do you mean by endurance ?
@@ConcordCarpenter
Continues shots until unit overheats from a box of 5,000 7/8 long staples simulating mass area stapling. I install underlayment and this would be helpful for floor installers.
@@Zombieboxx1 Gotcha
@@Zombieboxx1 I own milwaukee stapler. Tried using it on an underlayment job with 1" staples (I think) and it's basically unusable. I figure same goes for pretty much every other battery powered stapler. Heat is the enemy of these tools, especially since they try and make them as small as possible so not much ventilation. With m18 stapler in my case, starting with it from cold in the morning, staples on edges every few inches and about 1'x1' throughout sheet, I got about 4 sheets in before it overheated and shut down. I had 60 sheets to staple down, lol. Once it overheated, I had to set it down and if I waited about 15 minutes I could get another sheet in, 2 if I paced myself. One thing I noticed, if I pushed stapler to its limit of 3 shots per second, it would overheat extremely fast where as if I paced myself and deliberately went slower, maybe 1 shot per second, it would last longer and let me do more before overheating at the cost of time. So these staplers in my experience are a no go for big jobs but are ridiculously convenient for smaller jobs where maybe you're only doing one room and not a whole house.
One thing that helped is we had AC running in house we were remodeling and every chance I get I would put it over the vent to cool it off fast. Ideally, IMO, if you really want to do big jobs with battery staplers, you would need 2 or 3 so you have a few cooling off while you're working the other one.
One annoying problem my milwaukee stapler (and brad nailer too) has is a tendency to dry fire with plenty of staples and nails. It's like it can't grab a hold of next nail/staple and just keeps on dry firing with you having no idea. Very annoying having to go back and figure out where it happened and redo your work. That's why I'll continue to use air staplers for big jobs. Hopefully milwaukee fixes this feeding issue in gen 3.
Hoping this means the Gen 1s will see some decent discounts soon
They've already started. I just bought the HPT Router for $60 on Amazon.
@@DemitriosX Wow. That's awesome. What model number?
@@d.a.9937 M12VC but it looks like they got rid of the sale.
@@DemitriosX I'm more interested in the nailers, but nice score. I've seen it go to $89 at Lowes but not lately.
@@DemitriosX Okay. Thanks.
How does it replenish the air? He never explained that
They have a lifespan, after which you’ll need the tool serviced.
It's a sealed piston.
What kind of dent does this gun leave behind?
It doesn`t. This 2nd Gen Metabo Brad Nailer is by far a GREAT nailer. Love mine.
Do they have a updated 16 gauge like this?
not yet
Try to fire it into hardy board my m18 fule dose it beautifully.
I presume it’s got bump fire mode?
Yes
When will it be available?
month
$350!? I bought my Ryobi Airstrike for a 1/5 of that!
where can i buy this tool? i just bought the first gen NT1850DE(S) but this new NT1850DF is only 4.4lbs vs the orignal 7.3lbs. which is defintely worth the upgrade
It’s coming out soon, check their website
@@ConcordCarpenter found on Amazon (US) but out of stock. Do you know if this has the same expected release date for Canada?
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You didn't even tell people how to press the power button.
You should not own tool! ;)
I own this tool and figured out that the power button is at the bottom inside of the hand grip. I've been working with construction tools for decades, but this threw me.
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Your an algorithm
@@baseballdude8491 A piece of it atleast