Could A Single Modern US Destroyer Have Won The 1944 Battle Off Samar? (Naval Battle 103) | DCS

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  • @Butter_Warrior99
    @Butter_Warrior99 Год назад +84

    Could a modern carrier strike group save Pearl Harbor?

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Год назад +21

      ruclips.net/video/3_yJuPhv-gU/видео.html

    • @Butter_Warrior99
      @Butter_Warrior99 Год назад +7

      @@grimreapers, Yey!

    • @Cryptic141
      @Cryptic141 Год назад +7

      Can modern japanese carrier + musashi take the W for the battle of leyte gulf?

    • @sid2112
      @sid2112 Год назад

      ruclips.net/video/9scmFAxnWRU/видео.html

    • @MrCcragg27
      @MrCcragg27 Год назад +2

      no. every part of every ship would be half broke down before going back in time. after the time travel. they would all automatically sink due to being modern.

  • @jrwalker591
    @jrwalker591 Год назад +104

    U.S.S. Samual B. Roberts. The Destroyer Escort that fought like a battleship.
    U.S.S. Johnston. The Destroyer that fought like a fleet. Such incredible bravery and sacrifice. May they never be forgotten.
    U.S.S Johnston, Cmdr. Ernest Evans, Taffy 3, (posthumously received the Medal of Honor) for his actions during the Battle off Samar.

    • @TheRealNSA
      @TheRealNSA Год назад +6

      My great uncle served on the Roberts when it was sunk, he was a cook and he spent 2 days and 2 nights in the water, all he could hear were the screams from the shark attacks in the night. Rest In Peace old sailor.

    • @altPastaTits
      @altPastaTits Год назад +2

      @@TheRealNSA
      god damn 😳
      if you know of a good documentary on that, i’d love to watch it

    • @altPastaTits
      @altPastaTits Год назад +1

      what is ‘Taffy 3’?

    • @TheRealNSA
      @TheRealNSA Год назад +2

      @@altPastaTits the task group

    • @TheRealNSA
      @TheRealNSA Год назад +1

      @@altPastaTits The RUclips channel Yarnhub has 2 good videos, the battle off Samar and the USS Johnston

  • @johnlarue2248
    @johnlarue2248 Год назад +40

    Great post folks. My dad was a Navy Pilot aboard the U.S.S. Kitkun Bay with Taffy 3. Incredible David and Goliath situation. And yes, he survived the battle.

  • @sacredwolf8424
    @sacredwolf8424 Год назад +98

    If anyone wants to learn more about the actual battle, I highly recommend Last Stand of the Tincan Sailors. It is available in book, audiobook, and graphic novel forms.

    • @mattseller148
      @mattseller148 Год назад +7

      I agree, it's one of the best WW2 naval books you can get

    • @MoA-Reload...
      @MoA-Reload... Год назад +12

      I'd also recommend Drachinifel right here on YT. His channel is dedicated to Naval history and his video on Taffy 3 is really well done.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Год назад +5

      thx

    • @dawnfallon6812
      @dawnfallon6812 Год назад +2

      @@MoA-Reload... "...Running is boring..." Drachinifel's video on the subject is exceptional. _Johnston_ came off as a force of nature. The comments section of that video is also worth the read.

  • @MoA-Reload...
    @MoA-Reload... Год назад +30

    Yamato on her own displaced more than the whole of Taffy 3. Also one of the reasons they lasted as long as they did is the Japanese were convinced they must be facing heavier Fleet units so had AP loaded in their main guns. Because of the lack of armour on the Destroyers and the destroyer escorts the AP rounds were punching right through them instead of detonating in them.
    Really well done war game. That was a lot of fun to see play out.
    I highly recommend Drachinifel here on YT btw. His video on Taffy 3 is really well made and he has loads more Naval history

  • @flyboy6392
    @flyboy6392 Год назад +117

    Could you just imagine the psychological effect of just the ASM's from so far out they can't even SEE the Destroyer? Then add in the torpedo attacks, and the choppers with anti-shipping missiles as well, you wouldn't even have to kill the battleships to gain a victory.

    • @uncletiggermclaren7592
      @uncletiggermclaren7592 Год назад +15

      If the Japanese had been led by one of their other commanders they might have not turned away until they were all destroyed. Some of them had the whole "Death before Dishonour" bug good and proper.

    • @cocory5291
      @cocory5291 Год назад +4

      You'd think theyd be aliens.

    • @haroldbenton979
      @haroldbenton979 Год назад +8

      The Japanese commander seeing his entire escort getting decimated before he could even see a ship would be going we can't afford to lose these few ships we have left. Turn around and run.

    • @MrSGL21
      @MrSGL21 Год назад +6

      @@haroldbenton979 Kurita in real life had already lost Musashi and 2 cruisers the day before. in the opening hour Taffy 3 knocked out 2 more cruisers with torpedos, both sank, and 2 cruisers dropped out of the fight to assist their stricken sisters. One cruiser got disabled, allegedly by the 5 in gun crew of White Plains, and air planes came in later and torped them. Kurita ran after sinking 2 destroyers, a destroyer escort and one escort carrier but loosing 2 cruisers in doing so. Kamikazes got the the other carrier later in the day.

    • @collinwood6573
      @collinwood6573 Год назад +2

      @@MrSGL21center force was severely weakened over 3 separate engagements. They started out with 5 battleships, 10 heavy cruisers, 2 light cruisers, and 15 destroyers all in good condition. By the end of the battle, they were left with 4 battleships 2 of which were damaged, 3 damaged heavy cruisers, 2 light cruisers, and 11 destroyers one of which was damaged.

  • @Boxmediaphile
    @Boxmediaphile Год назад +141

    Never forget USS Johnston

    • @robint9803
      @robint9803 Год назад +1

      Ocean gate 2.0 anyone😅

    • @Fix_Bayonets
      @Fix_Bayonets Год назад +17

      Long live Samuel B!!!!!

    • @waynesworldofsci-tech
      @waynesworldofsci-tech Год назад +11

      Drachinifel’s video on the battle is amazing, if you haven’t seen it check it out.

    • @mm3mm3
      @mm3mm3 Год назад +1

      What is the miss-fire rate for the American missiles?

    • @markstott6689
      @markstott6689 Год назад +4

      ​@johnblankenship4510 Never forget the Sammie B.

  • @hephaestus4587
    @hephaestus4587 Год назад +36

    These "What If" battles are fantastic. It really shows the peogression of weaponry. I alao very much enjoy the Landing Skills streams, Any chance of a Helicopter one soon? Havent seen one for a while.

  • @trevorday7923
    @trevorday7923 Год назад +12

    And it's also deeply impressive that the USS Johnston managed to effectively manoeuvre and fight so effectively while weighted down by the captain's and crew's absolutely TITANIC balls

  • @hmmjedi
    @hmmjedi Год назад +12

    Yamato coming over the horizon is the moment you realise you need a good old 90's TASM setup in the VLS... or the newer Block V Tomahawks...

  • @miketranfaglia3986
    @miketranfaglia3986 Год назад +29

    Why no Harpoons? Thought those were standard equipment on all US destroyers until very recently; helos should also have Penguins, as noted below. And Mk 50 ASW torpedo can very definitely be used against surface targets; small warhead for a torpedo, but much bigger than a Hellfire.

    • @cockatoo010
      @cockatoo010 Год назад +7

      Flight III Burkes do not have the harpon launchers and afaik, those can't be fitted on Mk41 VLS cells
      The helciopters should have had penguins, yes.

    • @miketranfaglia3986
      @miketranfaglia3986 Год назад +2

      @@cockatoo010 sure, but why choose that version for this simulation? As we've seen in a number of these sims (esp with planes), the latest and greatest isn't always the best choice for use against really old tech. Maybe they just don't have the older version, but that would be better here, IMHO.

    • @brentaughe7539
      @brentaughe7539 Год назад +1

      DDG 51-78 have harpoons. Max they carry is 8

    • @Nr15121
      @Nr15121 Год назад +3

      The version of the Burke in game has no harpoons including the ch modernized version new ships have vls launched lrasm through that’s not modeled but the main anti ship armament is still the sm2 and sm6 because the U.S. naval doctrine is anti ship via air not via ships

    • @yournamehere9928
      @yournamehere9928 Год назад +2

      @@miketranfaglia3986 Imo, the mod should just be updated to include the Block Va Maritime Strike Tomahawk, which can hit ships. That would instantly solve the "no Harpoon" problem.

  • @bill5982
    @bill5982 Год назад +6

    You might try it with competent helicopter pilots. In addition to the Yamato, the other battleships consisted of the Nagato (about equivalent to the North Carolina class) and 2 Kongo class (upgraded WW-I battlecruisers) which were significantly weaker.

  • @KevinD-wn7pd
    @KevinD-wn7pd Год назад +12

    Thank you Grim Reapers. You are a great source of entertainment! Keep up the great work!

  • @Davros-vi4qg
    @Davros-vi4qg Год назад +5

    Sock gets it, CAP oblivious, ‘I’d intercept me!’ 😂

  • @seanquigley3605
    @seanquigley3605 Год назад +16

    Hey guys and gal....great video. That should be called a successful mission. The Burke lived up to her namesakes Bravery Michael Murphy won the Congressional Medal of Honor in Afganistan during the action portrayed in Sole Survivor. Also the Japanese historically turned tail after suffering way less damage and losses then were inflicted here. Maybe next time add the modern Samuel B Roberts if the Perry class frigates are available in game.

  • @TR4Ajim
    @TR4Ajim Год назад +15

    One thing that’s not realistic is, after the first few hits on Yamato, Kurita would have turned the force around and ran!!

  • @McAllisterCo
    @McAllisterCo Год назад +43

    This is the problem with hit points. All three of those Yamato’s would be reefs after taking that much fire but unfortunately the game says nope you need 173 hellfires precisely to sink a Yamato. In fact 1 hellfire through the bridge would turn that ship into a floating coffin. Fun concept though just sucks dcs damage model isn’t ready for it.

    • @dirtdevil70
      @dirtdevil70 Год назад +6

      How would a hellfire to the bridge take out a bb? I’ll all likelihood the bridge wouldn’t even be occupied in battle, the important folks would be inside the armoured citadel…

    • @nicolivoldkif9096
      @nicolivoldkif9096 Год назад +8

      ​@dirtdevil70 not quite, but you are correct that a bridge hit is not going to put a WWII military ship out of the action. Those ships were designed to be able to lose the bridge and still stay in the fight.

    • @GageEakins
      @GageEakins Год назад

      @@nicolivoldkif9096 Yes however, those guns would be dead after multiple hits from guided missiles.

    • @nicolivoldkif9096
      @nicolivoldkif9096 Год назад +3

      @GageEakins assuming they are hit. Even as good as modern missiles are, knocking out a BB turret is no simple thing of just hitting the ship anywhere. I'm not saying that the ships wouldn't start facing a serious degradation of fire, they would including losses of main turrets. Just that a bridge hit doesn't just kill a BB. Bridges got hit in WWII, and the ships still fought; for example, the Kongo-class during their first run on Guadalcanal.
      Ironically, hitting the center superstructure of the Japanese ships would probably improve their ships' combat effectiveness by ridding it from the weight of their borderline useless AA, because unlike these mods, their AA was absolute crap bar the 100mm.

    • @razersedge2273
      @razersedge2273 Год назад

      @@GageEakins in-fact hitting the turret may potentially touch off the magazine if it does penetrate. Which would potentially be enough to take out the whole ship.

  • @dtm6190
    @dtm6190 Год назад +20

    If you would fly the helicopters behind the enemy fleet (or slightly to the side due to the smoke) that is traveling at 30 knots you can fly at 30 knots at maximum range and shoot all your missiles and never get within range of the enemy. Fight with helicopters like helicopters and not like supersonic jets. As long as your stay above translational lift you can fly fairly slowly with a fully loaded helicopter. Fight smart not hard. 24 years of AH-64 experience.

  • @Pablo668
    @Pablo668 Год назад +16

    Ok, so if we put this force against Kurita's force in that exact time and place, the initial action/damage should send Kurita packing. He'd (as you mentioned) fought the action in the Sibuyan Sea the previous day, losing the battleship Musashi and damaging the Yamato. I'm pretty sure he had his flagship sunk from underneath him (a cruiser?) as well.
    So he wasn't in the best frame of mind by the time of the action off Samar. Japanese intelligence gathering was garbage at this time, so he didn't know exactly who Taffy 3 were. I don't think his orders to his fleet were particularly coherent as it spread to the four winds chasing the US ships.
    So battle fatigue (assumed by me) lack of knowledge of who he was fighting, no idea (or very little) where the other US forces were, having lost another two cruisers at least, getting late in the day he decided to regather his fleet and withdraw. The more or less suicidal efforts of Taffy 3 had him rattled, more than he already was.
    So given the same mental state preceding the battle, incredibly fast unknown technology starts to maul his fleet, he is going to turn around and go home. That's my take anyway.

    • @HAXRLITSXY
      @HAXRLITSXY Год назад +1

      Yeah, I would say that he would have turned around before the destroyer would be destroyed.

    • @MrSGL21
      @MrSGL21 Год назад +1

      @@HAXRLITSXY the opening salvo of sm6s would have turned the center force for sure. they sank more tonnage in the 1st few minutes of this engagement that Kurita lost to Taffy 3.

  • @trevorday7923
    @trevorday7923 Год назад +4

    On a more serious note I do recommend recommend teaming up with Drachinifel, he's a huge naval history channel on RUclips and WW1 and WW2 are the period he covers the most. I especially recommend his series about the Guadalcanal Campaign, lots of good video subject-fodder there 👍🏻

  • @nick_QA0
    @nick_QA0 Год назад +3

    We need more Battle Off Samar content of all types.

  • @anathardayaldar
    @anathardayaldar Год назад +3

    This vid reminds me of a scene from "Summoning Japan", a scifi/fantasy story where the 21st century country of japan is completely teleported to a world full of countries with assorted tech levels. From wooden ships with dragons up to cold war era.
    The last chapters have Japan at war with a WW2 level country and this scene plays out very similarly.

  • @frenchroast1355
    @frenchroast1355 Год назад +13

    Considering it would have taken only one of the Japanese ships with guns to get through, this was a very ambitious scenario. As it was you had 3 monstrous battleships parked a few miles away...LOL. well fought though, the firepower of the Burke is amazing even without the extra helicopters.

    • @VikingTeddy
      @VikingTeddy Год назад +3

      I was shouting at the screen. Why didn't they destroy that last functional turret? They had this on the bag!
      This one qualifies for the game of throws...

    • @ItsDeath-fr7wp
      @ItsDeath-fr7wp Год назад

      I mean considering at 74-63 miles the Burke could use Harpoons idk but the other Sams & missiles also would rain terror also having no way to defend against any of this and the destroyers would never come into range of the Battleships idk

  • @Canthus13
    @Canthus13 Год назад +1

    Commander Evans and the Johnston deserved something more than a medal of honor. That was absolutely insane. The Samuel B Roberts was pretty amazing, too.

  • @joet7760
    @joet7760 Год назад +5

    After watching so many of your videos, I’ve had a reoccurring dream of a wasp, 2 destroyers, one guided missile cruiser, a battleship (although they aren’t used anymore) and a tanker (sometimes a supply ship too) that went through a storm and came out in the mid 1500s and tried explaining to the English Navy that they wanted to stay 20k off the shore to try and get back to their time (usually set around the Caribbean) and the English Commodore refuses saying they are in English territorial waters and either attack the Americans or other times an American officer goes ashore to come to a compromise and explain the situation but they kidnap the American officer. They assume they are safe in their fort and the Americans fast rope in to retrieve their officer. Lol.

  • @FriedPi-mc5yt
    @FriedPi-mc5yt Год назад +1

    Hooray!! Fly is back and doing fun stuff!

  • @Musicluless
    @Musicluless Год назад

    Cap and y'all GR's...this was very enlightening and entertaining. Thanks. Addendum, from previous vid..."A face full of Simba missile" was classic Cap/SuperCap.

  • @aurora1024
    @aurora1024 Год назад +2

    Realistically, Kurita would have turned and headed home long before the naval gunnery started, and probably even before the choppers got involved. I'd call that a solid win.

  • @kirk0respite
    @kirk0respite Год назад +1

    “Smash! That’s how you use an Apache!” Lmao

  • @hardrockuniversity7283
    @hardrockuniversity7283 Год назад +1

    What you DEFINITELY do not want to hear on the ship's intercom first thing in the morning. Capt Evan, USS Johnston, "Men, we are going into action against overwhelming odds. Survival is not likely. We will do what we can."

  • @Stinger522
    @Stinger522 Год назад +4

    The Burke could've sunk the battleships if it had the Block V Tomahawks.
    I think an 055 might do better since it has dedicated anti-ship missiles.

  • @madmadmal
    @madmadmal Год назад +2

    One thing to consider is the psychological effect of so many destroyers killed by an unknown force. My opinion is that the Japanese force would have withdrawn after the first SM6 salvo.

  • @dorianwall5849
    @dorianwall5849 Год назад +2

    How many WW2 IJN Yamato class battleships would you need to defeat a single 1988 USS Iowa class battleship? Would love to see this as a simulation, might take a few runs though as I fancy it takes quite a few Yamato's for a win.

  • @corvanphoenix
    @corvanphoenix 6 месяцев назад +1

    The computer doesn't know it can't see you through the smoke, so it's flack can find you just fine 😂

  • @josephglatz25
    @josephglatz25 Год назад +2

    Here's a scenario. 1 Gulf war era Iowa class + the lads in choppers versus the same fleet.

  • @karljolley8346
    @karljolley8346 Год назад +1

    gives an even greater respect and awe of Taffy 3. ships & planes, one of the OMG battles of all time...

  • @jokiejoker2011
    @jokiejoker2011 Год назад

    As always wonderful work. Lovey way to spend my time. Thanks

  • @NerdishNature
    @NerdishNature Год назад +2

    Awesome entertainment as always, THY cap & GR. any chance of new carrier command or uboat sessions? :]

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Год назад +1

      We have an entire channel now for CC2.

  • @Battlestargroup
    @Battlestargroup Год назад +3

    Next attempt at this should be with a Tico or Wasp Class just to see how much difference the results have

  • @Werrf1
    @Werrf1 Год назад +3

    If you'd had some proper anti-ship weapons on those choppers, this would absolutely have been a win. A couple of torpedoes under _Yamato's_ keel would've done the job.

    • @josepetersen7112
      @josepetersen7112 Год назад

      Could the Helos have actually carried a MK48? I don't think they've ever been specced for it even if they could manage the weight. ASW torps, on the other hand, aren't going to do much except for, at best, puncturing a single compartment assuming it's a shaped charge variant. Realistically, 100lbs blast-frag just won't hurt Yammy much, and while a MK48 would, I don't see it getting there from a Helo.

    • @samulivainionpaa9338
      @samulivainionpaa9338 Год назад

      @@josepetersen7112 MK48 is a submarine only weapon. And ASW torpedoes like mk46 have a 50kg warhead, which wouldn't do much of anything to a Yamato torpedo belt, plus not sure if they even go for surface targets at all.

  • @bread8283
    @bread8283 Год назад +1

    "would you intercept me? id intercept me"
    really channeling that f22 energy here

  • @anthonyb5279
    @anthonyb5279 Год назад +1

    Volumetric smoke is hard on video cards. Is there a setting that would limit the number of puffs used? looks like its set on over kill reducing frame rate.

  • @mfreed40k
    @mfreed40k Год назад +4

    The Johnston damn near did it alone.

  • @WadmanP
    @WadmanP Год назад +2

    In terms of a single modern warship type that could really decimate a World War Two naval force, the SSGN or an SSN would be the best (without nuclear weapons). One Oscar II with all those giant anti-ship missiles plus a load out of 660mm torpedoes is quite the punch (assuming those torpedoes don’t explode onboard).

  • @europademon
    @europademon Год назад

    This was a fun one. Well done.

  • @ahauser2138
    @ahauser2138 Год назад

    My uncle was a plank owner and survivor of the USS Gambier Bay. Was on the same raft as some of the bridge officers (those who survived) and was in the water until the next morning or afternoon. (if memory is correct)
    There was only one Yamato class battle ship their, it's sister ship was sunk the day before. The other JIN battleships were the Nagato, Kongo and Haruna. Heavy Cruisers Chokai, Haguro, Kumano, Suzuya, Chikuma, Tone. Two light cruisers and 11 destroyers.

  • @ronaldfinkelstein6335
    @ronaldfinkelstein6335 Год назад +2

    The 5"/38 guns of US destryers weren't able to punch through Battleship and cruiser armor...but they could damage the superstructures of enemy ships...enough to make an enemy ship mission incapable-killing or wounding command personnel, damaging fire control gear and antiaircraft guns.
    One unrealism here is the lack of USN aurcraft. In the real battle, Taffy 3s aircraft did a fair amount of damage to Kurita's force...especially when aircrsft from Taffy 1 and 2 arrived.

  • @CaptainSeamus
    @CaptainSeamus Год назад

    A bit of a personal note: My wife's uncle was a radioman on the USS White Plains (CVE-66) at the Battle of Leyte Gulf. He didn't talk too much about it other than to say it was very busy and harrowing as a 20 year old kid from Mason, TX. He did mention about how they took a hit that knocked out the entire electrical system, and they had it back online inside of 3 minutes.

  • @ToddRainer-j4d
    @ToddRainer-j4d 2 месяца назад

    I served aboard the USS Hoel, DDG-13, the namesake of USS Hoel, DD-533, which was one of the destroyers sunk at Samar.
    She was in the first torpedo attack on the Japanese fleet. Hoel wound up boxed in by Japanese ships and was pounded on by Naval Gunfire. Rounds from the battleships were passing clean through her without exploding. Within 40 minutes into the battle Hoel was DIW and shortly after went to the bottom. 6 Escort carriers, 3 Destroyers, and 4 Destroyer Escorts, went up against 4 Battleships, 6 Heavy Cruisers, 2 light Cruisers, and 11 Destroyers.

  • @Synthmilk
    @Synthmilk Год назад +4

    Is there a reason Tomahawks aren't being used? As of 2021 Block Va and Vb have anti-ship capability, with Vb specifically having an armor penetrating role.
    Also: "Something wrong with Russian missiles today guys" so it is an accurate simulation of modern Russian equipment?
    It's going to be interesting to do these simulations in the next few years once the new integrated data network is fully deployed, with hand-off ability for every radar guided missile. Not to mention whatever tech improvements have enabled significant range increases, such as for the AGM-179 JAGM-MR, the replacement for the TOW and Hellfire with a range of 16km (10 miles), or double the range for the same dimensions.

  • @exoterric
    @exoterric Год назад +2

    I love these. I'd love more fleshed out alt-naval fights. Find some retired fleet captains who game?

    • @itsjustme8947
      @itsjustme8947 Год назад +1

      I spent my 32 year career dropping bombs, but I've got a friend from high school who drove boats for the Navy. Close enough?

    • @exoterric
      @exoterric Год назад +1

      @@itsjustme8947 yes, get your swabbie commanding their surface ships immediately! You know Star Citizen? Bet you're a freaking nightmare to fight.

    • @itsjustme8947
      @itsjustme8947 Год назад

      @@exoterric Heh, my left eye is blind to remind me of the last mission I ever flew. Not too much of a nightmare to fight when your depth perception is exactly ZERO. I haven't strapped a fighter to my ass in almost 15 years now. Now, if I can break Carl away from his cushy job at Woods Hole...yeah, he'd have some fun.

  • @MitsukiTakeda
    @MitsukiTakeda Год назад

    I loved the Habitual_Linecrosser F-22 Reference by Sock. "Would you intercept me? I'd intercept me."

  • @Angl0sax0nknight
    @Angl0sax0nknight Год назад +1

    Is the MH-60R Seahawk not in game? I figure a few torpedoes at those battleships would disable them and 1 would break the back of those destroyers.

  • @jerrycallaio5130
    @jerrycallaio5130 Год назад +3

    How About Trying One Of The Old Reactivated Iowa Class Battleships; Now Armed With Missiles, Helicopters And Retaining Some Of Their Big Guns???

  • @plasmahead2
    @plasmahead2 Год назад

    LMAO!!! The habitual line crosser reference, Well played!

  • @mrlodwick
    @mrlodwick Год назад +1

    Very good thank you all!

  • @trevorhaight6037
    @trevorhaight6037 9 месяцев назад

    You should listen to Americas forgotten hero’s Ernest Evan’s orders left full rudder. It tells the tail of the battle and bill whittle tells it so well. You will fell like you are the one pushing on the heavy wheel as he yells orders Down through the rear hatch

  • @miketranfaglia3986
    @miketranfaglia3986 Год назад +2

    Here's a request: Ohio class SSGN conversion sub taking on a whole Japanese fleet with 154 Block V Tomahawks, then finishing them off with torpedoes!

  • @A_Haunted_Pancake
    @A_Haunted_Pancake Год назад +1

    So cool !
    I hope that one day we see the whole range of modern ships
    to the point, were you can even do a proper amphibious assault
    with tanks on LCACs "'nd sh*t". 😋

  • @Fix_Bayonets
    @Fix_Bayonets Год назад +4

    No Harpoons?

  • @brianwright9514
    @brianwright9514 Год назад +2

    "The World wonders..." Why the fuck Halsey didn't turn around sooner. 😂

  • @adiaprog
    @adiaprog Год назад +1

    Hey supercap, i got a video request. What if you did a video, trying to see if you can defend your friend flying formation with you if he gets shot at via.: IR and/or Radar guided munitions {use your own countermeasures such as: Chaff, Flare, jammer, or try to have it lock you instead and then do manouvers such as wild weasel to defend.}. Other thing, is it possible to lock a missile with a plane radar in different planes?
    (I would love for you to respond, but if no, thats no problem)

  • @SuperSuperGenius
    @SuperSuperGenius Год назад +2

    Chinese Type 55 or the Type 54D on the same mission please, no Helos, pit huma s in the Zeros.

  • @lavenderlilacproductions
    @lavenderlilacproductions Год назад

    When those SM6s started smashing boats, some Japanese Captain was doing an Admiral Beatty: "There's something wrong with our bloody ships!"

  • @KibuFox
    @KibuFox Год назад +3

    Realistically speaking, the moment several destroyers got obliterated by weapons that the IJN commanders can't understand, they'd have turned tail and ran.

    • @thystaff742
      @thystaff742 Год назад +1

      If you don't understand the weapon then you're also clueless on where to flee too.

    • @KibuFox
      @KibuFox Год назад

      @@thystaff742 True, but continuing on the attack like that, wouldn't make sense. They'd know that the attack was coming from that general direction, so going that way, isn't a good idea. Best case scenario, they'd scatter to the winds and all directions. But most likely? The force commander would pick a new direction and turn, thinking that at first, it's some kind of hidden submarine and they're torpedoes. Then seeing they're coming from the air, he'd go back the way he came, ordering 'best speed', and have his ships make smoke in an effort to hide them from the attacker.
      Likely thinking they're some kind of kamikaze attack. Akin to the Ohka bombs.

  • @tonylopez6213
    @tonylopez6213 Год назад +1

    Towards the end you guys should have tried to attack low from the front so you could unload the missiles and then crash. Just a thought!

  • @waynepollard198
    @waynepollard198 Год назад +1

    how about an LHA amphibious assault ship and an Arleigh Burke Flight III destroyer ?

  • @mirthenary
    @mirthenary Год назад +1

    30:04 "punch it hunkmeyer", is that an Aliens quote, cuz I think it's Spunkmeyer

  • @everypitchcounts4875
    @everypitchcounts4875 Год назад +5

    the US army is getting some land-based MK-41 VLS capable of firing SM-6 and Tomahawk cruise missiles.

    • @warbuzzard7167
      @warbuzzard7167 Год назад +1

      😳 somebody goan’ be in a world a’ hurt should that unit go into combat.

    • @ashtiboy
      @ashtiboy Год назад

      you nkow those Mk-41 VLS missle pods on that unit shold just be monuted on the side turret armor on thsoe allready exesting arbram tanks instead with there own gidance and targting sistems that when hit by enemy fire would also reactal like very oversized reactive armor that would blow up even very large emey projetiltes. it would be far cheaper and far more easly for R&D time that would just be far more easy to do for the meantime.

  • @jefforyrichardson9479
    @jefforyrichardson9479 Год назад

    The problem I have with this is as follows: The SM series missiles have blast fragmentation warheads. They are designed to be used against aircraft, missiles, and lightly or unarmored targets. They wouldn't do much of anything against a WW2 Cruiser or Battleship due to their armor. The only thing on an Arleigh Burke that could hurt them are its Harpoons, and it doesn't have many of them. You may cause a lot of superficial topside damage, but you wouldn't cause any serious damage to the CAs and BBs.

  • @JRMshadow260a
    @JRMshadow260a Год назад +2

    Question: why do you call F/A-18 a bawg?? I don't know about now but when I was in the Navy we called it a bug (like an insect fly, ant, or a wasp). I worked on the flying drumstick.. However, those that work on or flew a plan type didn't call them by the nick name, people that were not part of that aircraft type used the nicknames. I don't know about the other services though.. Plus I don't know if that changed since I retired 18 yrs ago...

    • @aaronbryant1008
      @aaronbryant1008 Год назад +2

      its historical grim reapers, goes back a few years.

    • @liamh9814
      @liamh9814 Год назад +3

      Cap uses different variations of bug, as a form of friendly insult, ribbing.

    • @JRMshadow260a
      @JRMshadow260a Год назад +1

      @@liamh9814 KK, just my last set of orders was to lamor to work on them. But I got out for medical reasons..

    • @JRMshadow260a
      @JRMshadow260a Год назад +2

      @@aaronbryant1008 I've been watching on and off for a few yrs. I first started DCS like 5 yrs ago, I was nothing but frustrated because I was stuck to keyboard and mouse.. I finally got a hotas and that's got it's own frustrations... LOL

    • @aaronbryant1008
      @aaronbryant1008 Год назад +1

      To go further... ED is a Russian design house, they made the F18 module. It used to be called a wagnermobile till wags and cap seemed to have a falling out. It became bogachev for awhile then just bog.

  • @colerape
    @colerape Год назад

    Boring or not you can use helos from the destroyers to spot the IJN fleet and hit it from range. That would be a more faithful recreation. You won that battle. Kurita turned back with far fewer casualties than what you inflicted with just the SSMs from the Burke. Kurita probably would have started running when he saw his destroyers being obliterated with one hit from some bolt from the blue. Good job guys!

  • @pahtar7189
    @pahtar7189 Год назад +1

    Effectively you had one destroyer and one amphibious assault ship with a full load of helicopters. A Tico and assault ship should do it.

  • @darrellseike3185
    @darrellseike3185 Год назад +1

    I was under the assumption that AH-64s can carry Mavericks. Wouldn't they be a better anti-shipping weapon than a Hellfire?

  • @ToddRainer-j4d
    @ToddRainer-j4d 11 месяцев назад

    The Battle of Samar is where my ship's (USS Hoel, DDG-13) namesake (USS Hoel, DD-533) was sunk.

  • @anathardayaldar
    @anathardayaldar Год назад +1

    I don't see a comment about this yet so I'll make one:
    Taffy destroyers chased that japanese battle fleet away because they charged so confidently that the japanese admiral assumed it meant the main US fleet was close behind.
    So similary, once you achieved a significant amount of damage on the japanese, they should have failed a moral check and left as well.

    • @arakuss1
      @arakuss1 Год назад

      Also the Japanese miss identified some of the destroyers and thought they were cruisers. Also Kurita when he first sighted the escort jeep carriers thought they were the main carriers so he did not form up and ordered ships to charge in at first. So the fleet had issues in supporting each other.

  • @josephglatz25
    @josephglatz25 Год назад

    An SM-6 might not get through the belt or deck armor of a battleship (except maybe the Kongos), but it could take out its super structure, destroy gun directors, fire control systems, range finders, kill the bridge crew, knock out secondary armament, and start lots and lots of fires. The armor is there mainly to provide buoyancy, protect the main guns, and prevent hits on stuff like magazines. You can cause all sorts of damage to a battleship without having to get through the armor. I'm guessing that DCS doesn't model that sort of thing terribly well though.

  • @st3vorocks290
    @st3vorocks290 Год назад

    It would be interesting to see if you could drop a TOW down one of the stacks. Or maybe down a gun barrel.....

  • @ryabow
    @ryabow Год назад

    for some reason, my brain switched Leyte gulf with the gulf of Tonkin. and i'm just like "i mean.... yes? it was only three torpedo boats.... they didn't stand a chance against a Sumner-class, they sure as heck don't stand a chance against an Arleigh Burke..."
    the brain fog is real.

  • @eigenvalue5775
    @eigenvalue5775 Год назад

    I haven't played DCS and only know of it because of this channel.
    I ask the following out of ignorance: Can shark attacks be modeled in DCS, and could a lone Catalina PBY, on station immediately after the sinking of the USS Indianapolis, have helped save more survivors in the water?

  • @jameswilliams1116
    @jameswilliams1116 Год назад

    Love these comparisons between navies of different eras, but I'm wondering if you can program the modern ships to take evasive action when they get within range of enemy vessels. I watched this and noticed (as I have before in other simulations) that the modern ships basically plow forward into whatever's left of the enemy fleet, taking unnecessary damage. I get that you can't model every detail; Just wondering if you can add that in.

  • @dingdongdirtbag
    @dingdongdirtbag Год назад

    Gonna need a bigger boat. Also, what about outfitting some of the helicopters with bombs once some of the battleships guns are down?

  • @kensai7
    @kensai7 Год назад

    What mod do you use for the "taxpayer" estimation? Link?

  • @BOATS_22
    @BOATS_22 Год назад +1

    Last stand of the tin can salior was a awsome book

  • @kenbryson2240
    @kenbryson2240 Год назад

    Arleigh Burke has two Helicopter bays, as well as the ability to carry one more on the secondary flight deck, and displaces enough to handle it.

  • @whirlwindeddie2124
    @whirlwindeddie2124 Год назад +1

    Here’s a strategy: In a modern destroyer you need to go hit-and-run, cuz modern destroyer has absolutely no armor against WW2 era ship guns. So use the advantages of ASMs, empty the weapon bay and run ASAP. A single hit from a Yamato gun can easily rip apart an Arleigh Bruke

    • @Vexas345
      @Vexas345 Год назад +2

      Honestly, the Arleigh Burke could probably just sail in circles around the Yamato and they'd be fine. Japanese ships weren't known for accuracy, and I think the Burke would be the fastest ship they've ever fought. Barring getting lucky, I don't think their biggest guns would be much of a threat.

    • @whirlwindeddie2124
      @whirlwindeddie2124 Год назад

      @@Vexas345 I suppose that’d work too, but it’s just me; That’s how I’d go if I was in command, I’m not much of a risk taker 😂
      But, if the Bruke goes in circle around Yamato, itd be too close to use missiles right? The 127mm gun onboard would take a while to penetrate the armors of Yamato, I mean yeah we could detonate the AAA turrets around it, but considering Yamato is in a whole damn fleet, the Bruke would have to be aware of being fired at from multiple directions, and even if their aiming sucks, a couple of lucky shots could still end the Bruke

    • @LondonSteveLee
      @LondonSteveLee Год назад

      But a Yamato would have practically zero chance of hitting a moving Burke unless it could get under 8 miles. Meanwhile metre perfect rounds from Burke as soon as the range dropped under 13 miles would have taken out every vital piece of above deck infrastructure in under two minutes. The DCS damage models are hopeless!

    • @whirlwindeddie2124
      @whirlwindeddie2124 Год назад

      @@LondonSteveLee I’m not concerned about Yamato though, it’s the other ships around it. Even if they miss, some rounds might get through and tear it down

    • @LondonSteveLee
      @LondonSteveLee Год назад

      @@whirlwindeddie2124 Some rounds might hit purely by chance - but the stand off weapons would have taken care of those ships anyway before they got in possible firing range - the sim wasted several missiles on each ship when in reality one would have probably put the ship out of the battle.

  • @zahnatom
    @zahnatom Год назад

    can you test what would happen if someone were to put SPEAR-3s on a himars rocket, kinda like a small diameter bomb

  • @ochat2010
    @ochat2010 Год назад +1

    "Im dead, somebody spawned inside me i think". 😂

  • @Nr15121
    @Nr15121 Год назад

    30:20 lmao fire reference by sockington

  • @Revivethefallen
    @Revivethefallen Год назад

    My Grandpa was on a destroyer escort in that battle. That was a cool video.

  • @trevorday7923
    @trevorday7923 Год назад

    Imagine being the US Navy recon pilot, flying on a lovely day, and dropping down through the clouds to come face to face with the Yamato. The biggest and most powerful battleship ever built.
    Trousers, I suspect, were duly decorated....

  • @saltzen961
    @saltzen961 Год назад

    Would have loved to see Halsey's Fleet of battle wagons, take on Kurita's Center thrust .

  • @arakuss1
    @arakuss1 Год назад

    Interesting and looks like a fun but really does not take into account all the factors that went into the battle of Samar. Kurita and most of the commanders of the fleet were not very into the idea of sacrificing their fleet to destroy the landing fleet. Kurita decisions in this battle were influenced by the idea that he had found the main US carrier fleet. So how he would have responded to a sighting of a single ship is hard to say. Then once his fleet was hit by all those missiles and the damage they caused I do believe he would turned his fleet back around. One of his hesitancy and fears was his fleet being destroyed by US Carrier Aircraft before he could get through the straights. I do suggest more back ground reading into a historical battle before creating the sim to better get the feel of what would happen and how the forces would change the battle field victory conditions. If he had survived with only that small of a force Kurita would just returned home.
    In fact after the battle of Samar he did continue on. Low on fuel and unable to cut off the retreating carriers, Kurita ordered his fleet to reassemble shortly after 0900 and make for its assigned target-the anchorage at Leyte Gulf. At about 1230, as they neared the mouth of Leyte Gulf, Kurita suddenly gave the order to turn around and sail north. Some say he received reports that the main US fleet was sighted someplace north and he moved to supposedly engage that fleet. (There is no recorded evidence of such a report.) Again this may go to show his focus was more on sinking capital ships not the landing force ships. In the end there was no US fleet there and with low fuel and the loss of light he would turn west and limp back to home port. Most likely had he engaged the landing fleet he would done some damage but not enough to have slowed the US advance since most of the forces were disembarked already. It is said Kurita later and life said that he chose to retreat because he found no honor in continuing and sacrificing his men for something that would achieve nothing. That retreating was the best thing to do to preserve them to fight another day. Not all Japanese officers believed in just dying for nothing but instead wanted to chose a battle that was worthy to die in. In the planning for operation "Sho" there were many rumblings about sacrificing the last of the Japanese fleet to destroy landing crafts rather than head on engagement of the US capital ships.

  • @mikeallen2292
    @mikeallen2292 Год назад

    Heroic actions at such a level that I can’t get my head around.

  • @GymBahb
    @GymBahb Год назад

    30:10 Sock watches Habitual Line Crosser! 😂

  • @mjl1171
    @mjl1171 10 месяцев назад

    Why do the hellfire missile turn so much immediately following launch?

  • @garreth629
    @garreth629 Год назад +1

    Would you intercept me? I'd intercept me. Lol.
    Well it looks like someone is watching habitual linecrosser.

  • @uncletiggermclaren7592
    @uncletiggermclaren7592 Год назад +1

    Yeah, there is very little in all of history that could match the disparity of forces, and still result in a "win".
    The very stamp and pattern of Duty.

  • @Canthus13
    @Canthus13 Год назад

    Flight III destroyers can carry 2 helicopters in hangars, and can technically carry one more on the flight deck, although that's not generally normal.

  • @michaelimbesi2314
    @michaelimbesi2314 Год назад

    I loved the Habitual Linecrosser reference