no. every part of every ship would be half broke down before going back in time. after the time travel. they would all automatically sink due to being modern.
U.S.S. Samual B. Roberts. The Destroyer Escort that fought like a battleship. U.S.S. Johnston. The Destroyer that fought like a fleet. Such incredible bravery and sacrifice. May they never be forgotten. U.S.S Johnston, Cmdr. Ernest Evans, Taffy 3, (posthumously received the Medal of Honor) for his actions during the Battle off Samar.
My great uncle served on the Roberts when it was sunk, he was a cook and he spent 2 days and 2 nights in the water, all he could hear were the screams from the shark attacks in the night. Rest In Peace old sailor.
Great post folks. My dad was a Navy Pilot aboard the U.S.S. Kitkun Bay with Taffy 3. Incredible David and Goliath situation. And yes, he survived the battle.
If anyone wants to learn more about the actual battle, I highly recommend Last Stand of the Tincan Sailors. It is available in book, audiobook, and graphic novel forms.
@@MoA-Reload... "...Running is boring..." Drachinifel's video on the subject is exceptional. _Johnston_ came off as a force of nature. The comments section of that video is also worth the read.
Yamato on her own displaced more than the whole of Taffy 3. Also one of the reasons they lasted as long as they did is the Japanese were convinced they must be facing heavier Fleet units so had AP loaded in their main guns. Because of the lack of armour on the Destroyers and the destroyer escorts the AP rounds were punching right through them instead of detonating in them. Really well done war game. That was a lot of fun to see play out. I highly recommend Drachinifel here on YT btw. His video on Taffy 3 is really well made and he has loads more Naval history
Could you just imagine the psychological effect of just the ASM's from so far out they can't even SEE the Destroyer? Then add in the torpedo attacks, and the choppers with anti-shipping missiles as well, you wouldn't even have to kill the battleships to gain a victory.
If the Japanese had been led by one of their other commanders they might have not turned away until they were all destroyed. Some of them had the whole "Death before Dishonour" bug good and proper.
The Japanese commander seeing his entire escort getting decimated before he could even see a ship would be going we can't afford to lose these few ships we have left. Turn around and run.
@@haroldbenton979 Kurita in real life had already lost Musashi and 2 cruisers the day before. in the opening hour Taffy 3 knocked out 2 more cruisers with torpedos, both sank, and 2 cruisers dropped out of the fight to assist their stricken sisters. One cruiser got disabled, allegedly by the 5 in gun crew of White Plains, and air planes came in later and torped them. Kurita ran after sinking 2 destroyers, a destroyer escort and one escort carrier but loosing 2 cruisers in doing so. Kamikazes got the the other carrier later in the day.
@@MrSGL21center force was severely weakened over 3 separate engagements. They started out with 5 battleships, 10 heavy cruisers, 2 light cruisers, and 15 destroyers all in good condition. By the end of the battle, they were left with 4 battleships 2 of which were damaged, 3 damaged heavy cruisers, 2 light cruisers, and 11 destroyers one of which was damaged.
These "What If" battles are fantastic. It really shows the peogression of weaponry. I alao very much enjoy the Landing Skills streams, Any chance of a Helicopter one soon? Havent seen one for a while.
And it's also deeply impressive that the USS Johnston managed to effectively manoeuvre and fight so effectively while weighted down by the captain's and crew's absolutely TITANIC balls
Why no Harpoons? Thought those were standard equipment on all US destroyers until very recently; helos should also have Penguins, as noted below. And Mk 50 ASW torpedo can very definitely be used against surface targets; small warhead for a torpedo, but much bigger than a Hellfire.
@@cockatoo010 sure, but why choose that version for this simulation? As we've seen in a number of these sims (esp with planes), the latest and greatest isn't always the best choice for use against really old tech. Maybe they just don't have the older version, but that would be better here, IMHO.
The version of the Burke in game has no harpoons including the ch modernized version new ships have vls launched lrasm through that’s not modeled but the main anti ship armament is still the sm2 and sm6 because the U.S. naval doctrine is anti ship via air not via ships
@@miketranfaglia3986 Imo, the mod should just be updated to include the Block Va Maritime Strike Tomahawk, which can hit ships. That would instantly solve the "no Harpoon" problem.
You might try it with competent helicopter pilots. In addition to the Yamato, the other battleships consisted of the Nagato (about equivalent to the North Carolina class) and 2 Kongo class (upgraded WW-I battlecruisers) which were significantly weaker.
Hey guys and gal....great video. That should be called a successful mission. The Burke lived up to her namesakes Bravery Michael Murphy won the Congressional Medal of Honor in Afganistan during the action portrayed in Sole Survivor. Also the Japanese historically turned tail after suffering way less damage and losses then were inflicted here. Maybe next time add the modern Samuel B Roberts if the Perry class frigates are available in game.
This is the problem with hit points. All three of those Yamato’s would be reefs after taking that much fire but unfortunately the game says nope you need 173 hellfires precisely to sink a Yamato. In fact 1 hellfire through the bridge would turn that ship into a floating coffin. Fun concept though just sucks dcs damage model isn’t ready for it.
How would a hellfire to the bridge take out a bb? I’ll all likelihood the bridge wouldn’t even be occupied in battle, the important folks would be inside the armoured citadel…
@dirtdevil70 not quite, but you are correct that a bridge hit is not going to put a WWII military ship out of the action. Those ships were designed to be able to lose the bridge and still stay in the fight.
@GageEakins assuming they are hit. Even as good as modern missiles are, knocking out a BB turret is no simple thing of just hitting the ship anywhere. I'm not saying that the ships wouldn't start facing a serious degradation of fire, they would including losses of main turrets. Just that a bridge hit doesn't just kill a BB. Bridges got hit in WWII, and the ships still fought; for example, the Kongo-class during their first run on Guadalcanal. Ironically, hitting the center superstructure of the Japanese ships would probably improve their ships' combat effectiveness by ridding it from the weight of their borderline useless AA, because unlike these mods, their AA was absolute crap bar the 100mm.
@@GageEakins in-fact hitting the turret may potentially touch off the magazine if it does penetrate. Which would potentially be enough to take out the whole ship.
If you would fly the helicopters behind the enemy fleet (or slightly to the side due to the smoke) that is traveling at 30 knots you can fly at 30 knots at maximum range and shoot all your missiles and never get within range of the enemy. Fight with helicopters like helicopters and not like supersonic jets. As long as your stay above translational lift you can fly fairly slowly with a fully loaded helicopter. Fight smart not hard. 24 years of AH-64 experience.
Ok, so if we put this force against Kurita's force in that exact time and place, the initial action/damage should send Kurita packing. He'd (as you mentioned) fought the action in the Sibuyan Sea the previous day, losing the battleship Musashi and damaging the Yamato. I'm pretty sure he had his flagship sunk from underneath him (a cruiser?) as well. So he wasn't in the best frame of mind by the time of the action off Samar. Japanese intelligence gathering was garbage at this time, so he didn't know exactly who Taffy 3 were. I don't think his orders to his fleet were particularly coherent as it spread to the four winds chasing the US ships. So battle fatigue (assumed by me) lack of knowledge of who he was fighting, no idea (or very little) where the other US forces were, having lost another two cruisers at least, getting late in the day he decided to regather his fleet and withdraw. The more or less suicidal efforts of Taffy 3 had him rattled, more than he already was. So given the same mental state preceding the battle, incredibly fast unknown technology starts to maul his fleet, he is going to turn around and go home. That's my take anyway.
@@HAXRLITSXY the opening salvo of sm6s would have turned the center force for sure. they sank more tonnage in the 1st few minutes of this engagement that Kurita lost to Taffy 3.
On a more serious note I do recommend recommend teaming up with Drachinifel, he's a huge naval history channel on RUclips and WW1 and WW2 are the period he covers the most. I especially recommend his series about the Guadalcanal Campaign, lots of good video subject-fodder there 👍🏻
This vid reminds me of a scene from "Summoning Japan", a scifi/fantasy story where the 21st century country of japan is completely teleported to a world full of countries with assorted tech levels. From wooden ships with dragons up to cold war era. The last chapters have Japan at war with a WW2 level country and this scene plays out very similarly.
Considering it would have taken only one of the Japanese ships with guns to get through, this was a very ambitious scenario. As it was you had 3 monstrous battleships parked a few miles away...LOL. well fought though, the firepower of the Burke is amazing even without the extra helicopters.
I was shouting at the screen. Why didn't they destroy that last functional turret? They had this on the bag! This one qualifies for the game of throws...
I mean considering at 74-63 miles the Burke could use Harpoons idk but the other Sams & missiles also would rain terror also having no way to defend against any of this and the destroyers would never come into range of the Battleships idk
Commander Evans and the Johnston deserved something more than a medal of honor. That was absolutely insane. The Samuel B Roberts was pretty amazing, too.
After watching so many of your videos, I’ve had a reoccurring dream of a wasp, 2 destroyers, one guided missile cruiser, a battleship (although they aren’t used anymore) and a tanker (sometimes a supply ship too) that went through a storm and came out in the mid 1500s and tried explaining to the English Navy that they wanted to stay 20k off the shore to try and get back to their time (usually set around the Caribbean) and the English Commodore refuses saying they are in English territorial waters and either attack the Americans or other times an American officer goes ashore to come to a compromise and explain the situation but they kidnap the American officer. They assume they are safe in their fort and the Americans fast rope in to retrieve their officer. Lol.
Cap and y'all GR's...this was very enlightening and entertaining. Thanks. Addendum, from previous vid..."A face full of Simba missile" was classic Cap/SuperCap.
Realistically, Kurita would have turned and headed home long before the naval gunnery started, and probably even before the choppers got involved. I'd call that a solid win.
What you DEFINITELY do not want to hear on the ship's intercom first thing in the morning. Capt Evan, USS Johnston, "Men, we are going into action against overwhelming odds. Survival is not likely. We will do what we can."
One thing to consider is the psychological effect of so many destroyers killed by an unknown force. My opinion is that the Japanese force would have withdrawn after the first SM6 salvo.
How many WW2 IJN Yamato class battleships would you need to defeat a single 1988 USS Iowa class battleship? Would love to see this as a simulation, might take a few runs though as I fancy it takes quite a few Yamato's for a win.
If you'd had some proper anti-ship weapons on those choppers, this would absolutely have been a win. A couple of torpedoes under _Yamato's_ keel would've done the job.
Could the Helos have actually carried a MK48? I don't think they've ever been specced for it even if they could manage the weight. ASW torps, on the other hand, aren't going to do much except for, at best, puncturing a single compartment assuming it's a shaped charge variant. Realistically, 100lbs blast-frag just won't hurt Yammy much, and while a MK48 would, I don't see it getting there from a Helo.
@@josepetersen7112 MK48 is a submarine only weapon. And ASW torpedoes like mk46 have a 50kg warhead, which wouldn't do much of anything to a Yamato torpedo belt, plus not sure if they even go for surface targets at all.
Volumetric smoke is hard on video cards. Is there a setting that would limit the number of puffs used? looks like its set on over kill reducing frame rate.
In terms of a single modern warship type that could really decimate a World War Two naval force, the SSGN or an SSN would be the best (without nuclear weapons). One Oscar II with all those giant anti-ship missiles plus a load out of 660mm torpedoes is quite the punch (assuming those torpedoes don’t explode onboard).
My uncle was a plank owner and survivor of the USS Gambier Bay. Was on the same raft as some of the bridge officers (those who survived) and was in the water until the next morning or afternoon. (if memory is correct) There was only one Yamato class battle ship their, it's sister ship was sunk the day before. The other JIN battleships were the Nagato, Kongo and Haruna. Heavy Cruisers Chokai, Haguro, Kumano, Suzuya, Chikuma, Tone. Two light cruisers and 11 destroyers.
The 5"/38 guns of US destryers weren't able to punch through Battleship and cruiser armor...but they could damage the superstructures of enemy ships...enough to make an enemy ship mission incapable-killing or wounding command personnel, damaging fire control gear and antiaircraft guns. One unrealism here is the lack of USN aurcraft. In the real battle, Taffy 3s aircraft did a fair amount of damage to Kurita's force...especially when aircrsft from Taffy 1 and 2 arrived.
A bit of a personal note: My wife's uncle was a radioman on the USS White Plains (CVE-66) at the Battle of Leyte Gulf. He didn't talk too much about it other than to say it was very busy and harrowing as a 20 year old kid from Mason, TX. He did mention about how they took a hit that knocked out the entire electrical system, and they had it back online inside of 3 minutes.
I served aboard the USS Hoel, DDG-13, the namesake of USS Hoel, DD-533, which was one of the destroyers sunk at Samar. She was in the first torpedo attack on the Japanese fleet. Hoel wound up boxed in by Japanese ships and was pounded on by Naval Gunfire. Rounds from the battleships were passing clean through her without exploding. Within 40 minutes into the battle Hoel was DIW and shortly after went to the bottom. 6 Escort carriers, 3 Destroyers, and 4 Destroyer Escorts, went up against 4 Battleships, 6 Heavy Cruisers, 2 light Cruisers, and 11 Destroyers.
Is there a reason Tomahawks aren't being used? As of 2021 Block Va and Vb have anti-ship capability, with Vb specifically having an armor penetrating role. Also: "Something wrong with Russian missiles today guys" so it is an accurate simulation of modern Russian equipment? It's going to be interesting to do these simulations in the next few years once the new integrated data network is fully deployed, with hand-off ability for every radar guided missile. Not to mention whatever tech improvements have enabled significant range increases, such as for the AGM-179 JAGM-MR, the replacement for the TOW and Hellfire with a range of 16km (10 miles), or double the range for the same dimensions.
@@exoterric Heh, my left eye is blind to remind me of the last mission I ever flew. Not too much of a nightmare to fight when your depth perception is exactly ZERO. I haven't strapped a fighter to my ass in almost 15 years now. Now, if I can break Carl away from his cushy job at Woods Hole...yeah, he'd have some fun.
You should listen to Americas forgotten hero’s Ernest Evan’s orders left full rudder. It tells the tail of the battle and bill whittle tells it so well. You will fell like you are the one pushing on the heavy wheel as he yells orders Down through the rear hatch
So cool ! I hope that one day we see the whole range of modern ships to the point, were you can even do a proper amphibious assault with tanks on LCACs "'nd sh*t". 😋
Hey supercap, i got a video request. What if you did a video, trying to see if you can defend your friend flying formation with you if he gets shot at via.: IR and/or Radar guided munitions {use your own countermeasures such as: Chaff, Flare, jammer, or try to have it lock you instead and then do manouvers such as wild weasel to defend.}. Other thing, is it possible to lock a missile with a plane radar in different planes? (I would love for you to respond, but if no, thats no problem)
Realistically speaking, the moment several destroyers got obliterated by weapons that the IJN commanders can't understand, they'd have turned tail and ran.
@@thystaff742 True, but continuing on the attack like that, wouldn't make sense. They'd know that the attack was coming from that general direction, so going that way, isn't a good idea. Best case scenario, they'd scatter to the winds and all directions. But most likely? The force commander would pick a new direction and turn, thinking that at first, it's some kind of hidden submarine and they're torpedoes. Then seeing they're coming from the air, he'd go back the way he came, ordering 'best speed', and have his ships make smoke in an effort to hide them from the attacker. Likely thinking they're some kind of kamikaze attack. Akin to the Ohka bombs.
you nkow those Mk-41 VLS missle pods on that unit shold just be monuted on the side turret armor on thsoe allready exesting arbram tanks instead with there own gidance and targting sistems that when hit by enemy fire would also reactal like very oversized reactive armor that would blow up even very large emey projetiltes. it would be far cheaper and far more easly for R&D time that would just be far more easy to do for the meantime.
The problem I have with this is as follows: The SM series missiles have blast fragmentation warheads. They are designed to be used against aircraft, missiles, and lightly or unarmored targets. They wouldn't do much of anything against a WW2 Cruiser or Battleship due to their armor. The only thing on an Arleigh Burke that could hurt them are its Harpoons, and it doesn't have many of them. You may cause a lot of superficial topside damage, but you wouldn't cause any serious damage to the CAs and BBs.
Question: why do you call F/A-18 a bawg?? I don't know about now but when I was in the Navy we called it a bug (like an insect fly, ant, or a wasp). I worked on the flying drumstick.. However, those that work on or flew a plan type didn't call them by the nick name, people that were not part of that aircraft type used the nicknames. I don't know about the other services though.. Plus I don't know if that changed since I retired 18 yrs ago...
@@aaronbryant1008 I've been watching on and off for a few yrs. I first started DCS like 5 yrs ago, I was nothing but frustrated because I was stuck to keyboard and mouse.. I finally got a hotas and that's got it's own frustrations... LOL
To go further... ED is a Russian design house, they made the F18 module. It used to be called a wagnermobile till wags and cap seemed to have a falling out. It became bogachev for awhile then just bog.
Boring or not you can use helos from the destroyers to spot the IJN fleet and hit it from range. That would be a more faithful recreation. You won that battle. Kurita turned back with far fewer casualties than what you inflicted with just the SSMs from the Burke. Kurita probably would have started running when he saw his destroyers being obliterated with one hit from some bolt from the blue. Good job guys!
I don't see a comment about this yet so I'll make one: Taffy destroyers chased that japanese battle fleet away because they charged so confidently that the japanese admiral assumed it meant the main US fleet was close behind. So similary, once you achieved a significant amount of damage on the japanese, they should have failed a moral check and left as well.
Also the Japanese miss identified some of the destroyers and thought they were cruisers. Also Kurita when he first sighted the escort jeep carriers thought they were the main carriers so he did not form up and ordered ships to charge in at first. So the fleet had issues in supporting each other.
An SM-6 might not get through the belt or deck armor of a battleship (except maybe the Kongos), but it could take out its super structure, destroy gun directors, fire control systems, range finders, kill the bridge crew, knock out secondary armament, and start lots and lots of fires. The armor is there mainly to provide buoyancy, protect the main guns, and prevent hits on stuff like magazines. You can cause all sorts of damage to a battleship without having to get through the armor. I'm guessing that DCS doesn't model that sort of thing terribly well though.
for some reason, my brain switched Leyte gulf with the gulf of Tonkin. and i'm just like "i mean.... yes? it was only three torpedo boats.... they didn't stand a chance against a Sumner-class, they sure as heck don't stand a chance against an Arleigh Burke..." the brain fog is real.
I haven't played DCS and only know of it because of this channel. I ask the following out of ignorance: Can shark attacks be modeled in DCS, and could a lone Catalina PBY, on station immediately after the sinking of the USS Indianapolis, have helped save more survivors in the water?
Love these comparisons between navies of different eras, but I'm wondering if you can program the modern ships to take evasive action when they get within range of enemy vessels. I watched this and noticed (as I have before in other simulations) that the modern ships basically plow forward into whatever's left of the enemy fleet, taking unnecessary damage. I get that you can't model every detail; Just wondering if you can add that in.
Here’s a strategy: In a modern destroyer you need to go hit-and-run, cuz modern destroyer has absolutely no armor against WW2 era ship guns. So use the advantages of ASMs, empty the weapon bay and run ASAP. A single hit from a Yamato gun can easily rip apart an Arleigh Bruke
Honestly, the Arleigh Burke could probably just sail in circles around the Yamato and they'd be fine. Japanese ships weren't known for accuracy, and I think the Burke would be the fastest ship they've ever fought. Barring getting lucky, I don't think their biggest guns would be much of a threat.
@@Vexas345 I suppose that’d work too, but it’s just me; That’s how I’d go if I was in command, I’m not much of a risk taker 😂 But, if the Bruke goes in circle around Yamato, itd be too close to use missiles right? The 127mm gun onboard would take a while to penetrate the armors of Yamato, I mean yeah we could detonate the AAA turrets around it, but considering Yamato is in a whole damn fleet, the Bruke would have to be aware of being fired at from multiple directions, and even if their aiming sucks, a couple of lucky shots could still end the Bruke
But a Yamato would have practically zero chance of hitting a moving Burke unless it could get under 8 miles. Meanwhile metre perfect rounds from Burke as soon as the range dropped under 13 miles would have taken out every vital piece of above deck infrastructure in under two minutes. The DCS damage models are hopeless!
@@LondonSteveLee I’m not concerned about Yamato though, it’s the other ships around it. Even if they miss, some rounds might get through and tear it down
@@whirlwindeddie2124 Some rounds might hit purely by chance - but the stand off weapons would have taken care of those ships anyway before they got in possible firing range - the sim wasted several missiles on each ship when in reality one would have probably put the ship out of the battle.
Imagine being the US Navy recon pilot, flying on a lovely day, and dropping down through the clouds to come face to face with the Yamato. The biggest and most powerful battleship ever built. Trousers, I suspect, were duly decorated....
Interesting and looks like a fun but really does not take into account all the factors that went into the battle of Samar. Kurita and most of the commanders of the fleet were not very into the idea of sacrificing their fleet to destroy the landing fleet. Kurita decisions in this battle were influenced by the idea that he had found the main US carrier fleet. So how he would have responded to a sighting of a single ship is hard to say. Then once his fleet was hit by all those missiles and the damage they caused I do believe he would turned his fleet back around. One of his hesitancy and fears was his fleet being destroyed by US Carrier Aircraft before he could get through the straights. I do suggest more back ground reading into a historical battle before creating the sim to better get the feel of what would happen and how the forces would change the battle field victory conditions. If he had survived with only that small of a force Kurita would just returned home. In fact after the battle of Samar he did continue on. Low on fuel and unable to cut off the retreating carriers, Kurita ordered his fleet to reassemble shortly after 0900 and make for its assigned target-the anchorage at Leyte Gulf. At about 1230, as they neared the mouth of Leyte Gulf, Kurita suddenly gave the order to turn around and sail north. Some say he received reports that the main US fleet was sighted someplace north and he moved to supposedly engage that fleet. (There is no recorded evidence of such a report.) Again this may go to show his focus was more on sinking capital ships not the landing force ships. In the end there was no US fleet there and with low fuel and the loss of light he would turn west and limp back to home port. Most likely had he engaged the landing fleet he would done some damage but not enough to have slowed the US advance since most of the forces were disembarked already. It is said Kurita later and life said that he chose to retreat because he found no honor in continuing and sacrificing his men for something that would achieve nothing. That retreating was the best thing to do to preserve them to fight another day. Not all Japanese officers believed in just dying for nothing but instead wanted to chose a battle that was worthy to die in. In the planning for operation "Sho" there were many rumblings about sacrificing the last of the Japanese fleet to destroy landing crafts rather than head on engagement of the US capital ships.
Yeah, there is very little in all of history that could match the disparity of forces, and still result in a "win". The very stamp and pattern of Duty.
Could a modern carrier strike group save Pearl Harbor?
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@@grimreapers, Yey!
Can modern japanese carrier + musashi take the W for the battle of leyte gulf?
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no. every part of every ship would be half broke down before going back in time. after the time travel. they would all automatically sink due to being modern.
U.S.S. Samual B. Roberts. The Destroyer Escort that fought like a battleship.
U.S.S. Johnston. The Destroyer that fought like a fleet. Such incredible bravery and sacrifice. May they never be forgotten.
U.S.S Johnston, Cmdr. Ernest Evans, Taffy 3, (posthumously received the Medal of Honor) for his actions during the Battle off Samar.
My great uncle served on the Roberts when it was sunk, he was a cook and he spent 2 days and 2 nights in the water, all he could hear were the screams from the shark attacks in the night. Rest In Peace old sailor.
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god damn 😳
if you know of a good documentary on that, i’d love to watch it
what is ‘Taffy 3’?
@@altPastaTits the task group
@@altPastaTits The RUclips channel Yarnhub has 2 good videos, the battle off Samar and the USS Johnston
Great post folks. My dad was a Navy Pilot aboard the U.S.S. Kitkun Bay with Taffy 3. Incredible David and Goliath situation. And yes, he survived the battle.
If anyone wants to learn more about the actual battle, I highly recommend Last Stand of the Tincan Sailors. It is available in book, audiobook, and graphic novel forms.
I agree, it's one of the best WW2 naval books you can get
I'd also recommend Drachinifel right here on YT. His channel is dedicated to Naval history and his video on Taffy 3 is really well done.
thx
@@MoA-Reload... "...Running is boring..." Drachinifel's video on the subject is exceptional. _Johnston_ came off as a force of nature. The comments section of that video is also worth the read.
Yamato on her own displaced more than the whole of Taffy 3. Also one of the reasons they lasted as long as they did is the Japanese were convinced they must be facing heavier Fleet units so had AP loaded in their main guns. Because of the lack of armour on the Destroyers and the destroyer escorts the AP rounds were punching right through them instead of detonating in them.
Really well done war game. That was a lot of fun to see play out.
I highly recommend Drachinifel here on YT btw. His video on Taffy 3 is really well made and he has loads more Naval history
Could you just imagine the psychological effect of just the ASM's from so far out they can't even SEE the Destroyer? Then add in the torpedo attacks, and the choppers with anti-shipping missiles as well, you wouldn't even have to kill the battleships to gain a victory.
If the Japanese had been led by one of their other commanders they might have not turned away until they were all destroyed. Some of them had the whole "Death before Dishonour" bug good and proper.
You'd think theyd be aliens.
The Japanese commander seeing his entire escort getting decimated before he could even see a ship would be going we can't afford to lose these few ships we have left. Turn around and run.
@@haroldbenton979 Kurita in real life had already lost Musashi and 2 cruisers the day before. in the opening hour Taffy 3 knocked out 2 more cruisers with torpedos, both sank, and 2 cruisers dropped out of the fight to assist their stricken sisters. One cruiser got disabled, allegedly by the 5 in gun crew of White Plains, and air planes came in later and torped them. Kurita ran after sinking 2 destroyers, a destroyer escort and one escort carrier but loosing 2 cruisers in doing so. Kamikazes got the the other carrier later in the day.
@@MrSGL21center force was severely weakened over 3 separate engagements. They started out with 5 battleships, 10 heavy cruisers, 2 light cruisers, and 15 destroyers all in good condition. By the end of the battle, they were left with 4 battleships 2 of which were damaged, 3 damaged heavy cruisers, 2 light cruisers, and 11 destroyers one of which was damaged.
Never forget USS Johnston
Ocean gate 2.0 anyone😅
Long live Samuel B!!!!!
Drachinifel’s video on the battle is amazing, if you haven’t seen it check it out.
What is the miss-fire rate for the American missiles?
@johnblankenship4510 Never forget the Sammie B.
These "What If" battles are fantastic. It really shows the peogression of weaponry. I alao very much enjoy the Landing Skills streams, Any chance of a Helicopter one soon? Havent seen one for a while.
And it's also deeply impressive that the USS Johnston managed to effectively manoeuvre and fight so effectively while weighted down by the captain's and crew's absolutely TITANIC balls
Yamato coming over the horizon is the moment you realise you need a good old 90's TASM setup in the VLS... or the newer Block V Tomahawks...
Why no Harpoons? Thought those were standard equipment on all US destroyers until very recently; helos should also have Penguins, as noted below. And Mk 50 ASW torpedo can very definitely be used against surface targets; small warhead for a torpedo, but much bigger than a Hellfire.
Flight III Burkes do not have the harpon launchers and afaik, those can't be fitted on Mk41 VLS cells
The helciopters should have had penguins, yes.
@@cockatoo010 sure, but why choose that version for this simulation? As we've seen in a number of these sims (esp with planes), the latest and greatest isn't always the best choice for use against really old tech. Maybe they just don't have the older version, but that would be better here, IMHO.
DDG 51-78 have harpoons. Max they carry is 8
The version of the Burke in game has no harpoons including the ch modernized version new ships have vls launched lrasm through that’s not modeled but the main anti ship armament is still the sm2 and sm6 because the U.S. naval doctrine is anti ship via air not via ships
@@miketranfaglia3986 Imo, the mod should just be updated to include the Block Va Maritime Strike Tomahawk, which can hit ships. That would instantly solve the "no Harpoon" problem.
You might try it with competent helicopter pilots. In addition to the Yamato, the other battleships consisted of the Nagato (about equivalent to the North Carolina class) and 2 Kongo class (upgraded WW-I battlecruisers) which were significantly weaker.
Thank you Grim Reapers. You are a great source of entertainment! Keep up the great work!
Sock gets it, CAP oblivious, ‘I’d intercept me!’ 😂
Hey guys and gal....great video. That should be called a successful mission. The Burke lived up to her namesakes Bravery Michael Murphy won the Congressional Medal of Honor in Afganistan during the action portrayed in Sole Survivor. Also the Japanese historically turned tail after suffering way less damage and losses then were inflicted here. Maybe next time add the modern Samuel B Roberts if the Perry class frigates are available in game.
One thing that’s not realistic is, after the first few hits on Yamato, Kurita would have turned the force around and ran!!
This is the problem with hit points. All three of those Yamato’s would be reefs after taking that much fire but unfortunately the game says nope you need 173 hellfires precisely to sink a Yamato. In fact 1 hellfire through the bridge would turn that ship into a floating coffin. Fun concept though just sucks dcs damage model isn’t ready for it.
How would a hellfire to the bridge take out a bb? I’ll all likelihood the bridge wouldn’t even be occupied in battle, the important folks would be inside the armoured citadel…
@dirtdevil70 not quite, but you are correct that a bridge hit is not going to put a WWII military ship out of the action. Those ships were designed to be able to lose the bridge and still stay in the fight.
@@nicolivoldkif9096 Yes however, those guns would be dead after multiple hits from guided missiles.
@GageEakins assuming they are hit. Even as good as modern missiles are, knocking out a BB turret is no simple thing of just hitting the ship anywhere. I'm not saying that the ships wouldn't start facing a serious degradation of fire, they would including losses of main turrets. Just that a bridge hit doesn't just kill a BB. Bridges got hit in WWII, and the ships still fought; for example, the Kongo-class during their first run on Guadalcanal.
Ironically, hitting the center superstructure of the Japanese ships would probably improve their ships' combat effectiveness by ridding it from the weight of their borderline useless AA, because unlike these mods, their AA was absolute crap bar the 100mm.
@@GageEakins in-fact hitting the turret may potentially touch off the magazine if it does penetrate. Which would potentially be enough to take out the whole ship.
If you would fly the helicopters behind the enemy fleet (or slightly to the side due to the smoke) that is traveling at 30 knots you can fly at 30 knots at maximum range and shoot all your missiles and never get within range of the enemy. Fight with helicopters like helicopters and not like supersonic jets. As long as your stay above translational lift you can fly fairly slowly with a fully loaded helicopter. Fight smart not hard. 24 years of AH-64 experience.
Exactly!
Awesome. Told like a leader.
Ok, so if we put this force against Kurita's force in that exact time and place, the initial action/damage should send Kurita packing. He'd (as you mentioned) fought the action in the Sibuyan Sea the previous day, losing the battleship Musashi and damaging the Yamato. I'm pretty sure he had his flagship sunk from underneath him (a cruiser?) as well.
So he wasn't in the best frame of mind by the time of the action off Samar. Japanese intelligence gathering was garbage at this time, so he didn't know exactly who Taffy 3 were. I don't think his orders to his fleet were particularly coherent as it spread to the four winds chasing the US ships.
So battle fatigue (assumed by me) lack of knowledge of who he was fighting, no idea (or very little) where the other US forces were, having lost another two cruisers at least, getting late in the day he decided to regather his fleet and withdraw. The more or less suicidal efforts of Taffy 3 had him rattled, more than he already was.
So given the same mental state preceding the battle, incredibly fast unknown technology starts to maul his fleet, he is going to turn around and go home. That's my take anyway.
Yeah, I would say that he would have turned around before the destroyer would be destroyed.
@@HAXRLITSXY the opening salvo of sm6s would have turned the center force for sure. they sank more tonnage in the 1st few minutes of this engagement that Kurita lost to Taffy 3.
On a more serious note I do recommend recommend teaming up with Drachinifel, he's a huge naval history channel on RUclips and WW1 and WW2 are the period he covers the most. I especially recommend his series about the Guadalcanal Campaign, lots of good video subject-fodder there 👍🏻
We need more Battle Off Samar content of all types.
This vid reminds me of a scene from "Summoning Japan", a scifi/fantasy story where the 21st century country of japan is completely teleported to a world full of countries with assorted tech levels. From wooden ships with dragons up to cold war era.
The last chapters have Japan at war with a WW2 level country and this scene plays out very similarly.
Considering it would have taken only one of the Japanese ships with guns to get through, this was a very ambitious scenario. As it was you had 3 monstrous battleships parked a few miles away...LOL. well fought though, the firepower of the Burke is amazing even without the extra helicopters.
I was shouting at the screen. Why didn't they destroy that last functional turret? They had this on the bag!
This one qualifies for the game of throws...
I mean considering at 74-63 miles the Burke could use Harpoons idk but the other Sams & missiles also would rain terror also having no way to defend against any of this and the destroyers would never come into range of the Battleships idk
Commander Evans and the Johnston deserved something more than a medal of honor. That was absolutely insane. The Samuel B Roberts was pretty amazing, too.
After watching so many of your videos, I’ve had a reoccurring dream of a wasp, 2 destroyers, one guided missile cruiser, a battleship (although they aren’t used anymore) and a tanker (sometimes a supply ship too) that went through a storm and came out in the mid 1500s and tried explaining to the English Navy that they wanted to stay 20k off the shore to try and get back to their time (usually set around the Caribbean) and the English Commodore refuses saying they are in English territorial waters and either attack the Americans or other times an American officer goes ashore to come to a compromise and explain the situation but they kidnap the American officer. They assume they are safe in their fort and the Americans fast rope in to retrieve their officer. Lol.
Hooray!! Fly is back and doing fun stuff!
Cap and y'all GR's...this was very enlightening and entertaining. Thanks. Addendum, from previous vid..."A face full of Simba missile" was classic Cap/SuperCap.
Realistically, Kurita would have turned and headed home long before the naval gunnery started, and probably even before the choppers got involved. I'd call that a solid win.
“Smash! That’s how you use an Apache!” Lmao
What you DEFINITELY do not want to hear on the ship's intercom first thing in the morning. Capt Evan, USS Johnston, "Men, we are going into action against overwhelming odds. Survival is not likely. We will do what we can."
The Burke could've sunk the battleships if it had the Block V Tomahawks.
I think an 055 might do better since it has dedicated anti-ship missiles.
One thing to consider is the psychological effect of so many destroyers killed by an unknown force. My opinion is that the Japanese force would have withdrawn after the first SM6 salvo.
How many WW2 IJN Yamato class battleships would you need to defeat a single 1988 USS Iowa class battleship? Would love to see this as a simulation, might take a few runs though as I fancy it takes quite a few Yamato's for a win.
The computer doesn't know it can't see you through the smoke, so it's flack can find you just fine 😂
Here's a scenario. 1 Gulf war era Iowa class + the lads in choppers versus the same fleet.
gives an even greater respect and awe of Taffy 3. ships & planes, one of the OMG battles of all time...
As always wonderful work. Lovey way to spend my time. Thanks
Awesome entertainment as always, THY cap & GR. any chance of new carrier command or uboat sessions? :]
We have an entire channel now for CC2.
Next attempt at this should be with a Tico or Wasp Class just to see how much difference the results have
If you'd had some proper anti-ship weapons on those choppers, this would absolutely have been a win. A couple of torpedoes under _Yamato's_ keel would've done the job.
Could the Helos have actually carried a MK48? I don't think they've ever been specced for it even if they could manage the weight. ASW torps, on the other hand, aren't going to do much except for, at best, puncturing a single compartment assuming it's a shaped charge variant. Realistically, 100lbs blast-frag just won't hurt Yammy much, and while a MK48 would, I don't see it getting there from a Helo.
@@josepetersen7112 MK48 is a submarine only weapon. And ASW torpedoes like mk46 have a 50kg warhead, which wouldn't do much of anything to a Yamato torpedo belt, plus not sure if they even go for surface targets at all.
"would you intercept me? id intercept me"
really channeling that f22 energy here
Volumetric smoke is hard on video cards. Is there a setting that would limit the number of puffs used? looks like its set on over kill reducing frame rate.
The Johnston damn near did it alone.
In terms of a single modern warship type that could really decimate a World War Two naval force, the SSGN or an SSN would be the best (without nuclear weapons). One Oscar II with all those giant anti-ship missiles plus a load out of 660mm torpedoes is quite the punch (assuming those torpedoes don’t explode onboard).
This was a fun one. Well done.
My uncle was a plank owner and survivor of the USS Gambier Bay. Was on the same raft as some of the bridge officers (those who survived) and was in the water until the next morning or afternoon. (if memory is correct)
There was only one Yamato class battle ship their, it's sister ship was sunk the day before. The other JIN battleships were the Nagato, Kongo and Haruna. Heavy Cruisers Chokai, Haguro, Kumano, Suzuya, Chikuma, Tone. Two light cruisers and 11 destroyers.
The 5"/38 guns of US destryers weren't able to punch through Battleship and cruiser armor...but they could damage the superstructures of enemy ships...enough to make an enemy ship mission incapable-killing or wounding command personnel, damaging fire control gear and antiaircraft guns.
One unrealism here is the lack of USN aurcraft. In the real battle, Taffy 3s aircraft did a fair amount of damage to Kurita's force...especially when aircrsft from Taffy 1 and 2 arrived.
A bit of a personal note: My wife's uncle was a radioman on the USS White Plains (CVE-66) at the Battle of Leyte Gulf. He didn't talk too much about it other than to say it was very busy and harrowing as a 20 year old kid from Mason, TX. He did mention about how they took a hit that knocked out the entire electrical system, and they had it back online inside of 3 minutes.
I served aboard the USS Hoel, DDG-13, the namesake of USS Hoel, DD-533, which was one of the destroyers sunk at Samar.
She was in the first torpedo attack on the Japanese fleet. Hoel wound up boxed in by Japanese ships and was pounded on by Naval Gunfire. Rounds from the battleships were passing clean through her without exploding. Within 40 minutes into the battle Hoel was DIW and shortly after went to the bottom. 6 Escort carriers, 3 Destroyers, and 4 Destroyer Escorts, went up against 4 Battleships, 6 Heavy Cruisers, 2 light Cruisers, and 11 Destroyers.
Is there a reason Tomahawks aren't being used? As of 2021 Block Va and Vb have anti-ship capability, with Vb specifically having an armor penetrating role.
Also: "Something wrong with Russian missiles today guys" so it is an accurate simulation of modern Russian equipment?
It's going to be interesting to do these simulations in the next few years once the new integrated data network is fully deployed, with hand-off ability for every radar guided missile. Not to mention whatever tech improvements have enabled significant range increases, such as for the AGM-179 JAGM-MR, the replacement for the TOW and Hellfire with a range of 16km (10 miles), or double the range for the same dimensions.
I love these. I'd love more fleshed out alt-naval fights. Find some retired fleet captains who game?
I spent my 32 year career dropping bombs, but I've got a friend from high school who drove boats for the Navy. Close enough?
@@itsjustme8947 yes, get your swabbie commanding their surface ships immediately! You know Star Citizen? Bet you're a freaking nightmare to fight.
@@exoterric Heh, my left eye is blind to remind me of the last mission I ever flew. Not too much of a nightmare to fight when your depth perception is exactly ZERO. I haven't strapped a fighter to my ass in almost 15 years now. Now, if I can break Carl away from his cushy job at Woods Hole...yeah, he'd have some fun.
I loved the Habitual_Linecrosser F-22 Reference by Sock. "Would you intercept me? I'd intercept me."
Is the MH-60R Seahawk not in game? I figure a few torpedoes at those battleships would disable them and 1 would break the back of those destroyers.
How About Trying One Of The Old Reactivated Iowa Class Battleships; Now Armed With Missiles, Helicopters And Retaining Some Of Their Big Guns???
Roger
@@grimreapers Thank You! Wilco????? And Out.
LMAO!!! The habitual line crosser reference, Well played!
Very good thank you all!
You should listen to Americas forgotten hero’s Ernest Evan’s orders left full rudder. It tells the tail of the battle and bill whittle tells it so well. You will fell like you are the one pushing on the heavy wheel as he yells orders Down through the rear hatch
Here's a request: Ohio class SSGN conversion sub taking on a whole Japanese fleet with 154 Block V Tomahawks, then finishing them off with torpedoes!
So cool !
I hope that one day we see the whole range of modern ships
to the point, were you can even do a proper amphibious assault
with tanks on LCACs "'nd sh*t". 😋
No Harpoons?
"The World wonders..." Why the fuck Halsey didn't turn around sooner. 😂
Hey supercap, i got a video request. What if you did a video, trying to see if you can defend your friend flying formation with you if he gets shot at via.: IR and/or Radar guided munitions {use your own countermeasures such as: Chaff, Flare, jammer, or try to have it lock you instead and then do manouvers such as wild weasel to defend.}. Other thing, is it possible to lock a missile with a plane radar in different planes?
(I would love for you to respond, but if no, thats no problem)
I will look into it thanks.
Chinese Type 55 or the Type 54D on the same mission please, no Helos, pit huma s in the Zeros.
When those SM6s started smashing boats, some Japanese Captain was doing an Admiral Beatty: "There's something wrong with our bloody ships!"
Realistically speaking, the moment several destroyers got obliterated by weapons that the IJN commanders can't understand, they'd have turned tail and ran.
If you don't understand the weapon then you're also clueless on where to flee too.
@@thystaff742 True, but continuing on the attack like that, wouldn't make sense. They'd know that the attack was coming from that general direction, so going that way, isn't a good idea. Best case scenario, they'd scatter to the winds and all directions. But most likely? The force commander would pick a new direction and turn, thinking that at first, it's some kind of hidden submarine and they're torpedoes. Then seeing they're coming from the air, he'd go back the way he came, ordering 'best speed', and have his ships make smoke in an effort to hide them from the attacker.
Likely thinking they're some kind of kamikaze attack. Akin to the Ohka bombs.
Towards the end you guys should have tried to attack low from the front so you could unload the missiles and then crash. Just a thought!
how about an LHA amphibious assault ship and an Arleigh Burke Flight III destroyer ?
30:04 "punch it hunkmeyer", is that an Aliens quote, cuz I think it's Spunkmeyer
yes
the US army is getting some land-based MK-41 VLS capable of firing SM-6 and Tomahawk cruise missiles.
😳 somebody goan’ be in a world a’ hurt should that unit go into combat.
you nkow those Mk-41 VLS missle pods on that unit shold just be monuted on the side turret armor on thsoe allready exesting arbram tanks instead with there own gidance and targting sistems that when hit by enemy fire would also reactal like very oversized reactive armor that would blow up even very large emey projetiltes. it would be far cheaper and far more easly for R&D time that would just be far more easy to do for the meantime.
The problem I have with this is as follows: The SM series missiles have blast fragmentation warheads. They are designed to be used against aircraft, missiles, and lightly or unarmored targets. They wouldn't do much of anything against a WW2 Cruiser or Battleship due to their armor. The only thing on an Arleigh Burke that could hurt them are its Harpoons, and it doesn't have many of them. You may cause a lot of superficial topside damage, but you wouldn't cause any serious damage to the CAs and BBs.
Question: why do you call F/A-18 a bawg?? I don't know about now but when I was in the Navy we called it a bug (like an insect fly, ant, or a wasp). I worked on the flying drumstick.. However, those that work on or flew a plan type didn't call them by the nick name, people that were not part of that aircraft type used the nicknames. I don't know about the other services though.. Plus I don't know if that changed since I retired 18 yrs ago...
its historical grim reapers, goes back a few years.
Cap uses different variations of bug, as a form of friendly insult, ribbing.
@@liamh9814 KK, just my last set of orders was to lamor to work on them. But I got out for medical reasons..
@@aaronbryant1008 I've been watching on and off for a few yrs. I first started DCS like 5 yrs ago, I was nothing but frustrated because I was stuck to keyboard and mouse.. I finally got a hotas and that's got it's own frustrations... LOL
To go further... ED is a Russian design house, they made the F18 module. It used to be called a wagnermobile till wags and cap seemed to have a falling out. It became bogachev for awhile then just bog.
Boring or not you can use helos from the destroyers to spot the IJN fleet and hit it from range. That would be a more faithful recreation. You won that battle. Kurita turned back with far fewer casualties than what you inflicted with just the SSMs from the Burke. Kurita probably would have started running when he saw his destroyers being obliterated with one hit from some bolt from the blue. Good job guys!
Effectively you had one destroyer and one amphibious assault ship with a full load of helicopters. A Tico and assault ship should do it.
I was under the assumption that AH-64s can carry Mavericks. Wouldn't they be a better anti-shipping weapon than a Hellfire?
The Battle of Samar is where my ship's (USS Hoel, DDG-13) namesake (USS Hoel, DD-533) was sunk.
I don't see a comment about this yet so I'll make one:
Taffy destroyers chased that japanese battle fleet away because they charged so confidently that the japanese admiral assumed it meant the main US fleet was close behind.
So similary, once you achieved a significant amount of damage on the japanese, they should have failed a moral check and left as well.
Also the Japanese miss identified some of the destroyers and thought they were cruisers. Also Kurita when he first sighted the escort jeep carriers thought they were the main carriers so he did not form up and ordered ships to charge in at first. So the fleet had issues in supporting each other.
An SM-6 might not get through the belt or deck armor of a battleship (except maybe the Kongos), but it could take out its super structure, destroy gun directors, fire control systems, range finders, kill the bridge crew, knock out secondary armament, and start lots and lots of fires. The armor is there mainly to provide buoyancy, protect the main guns, and prevent hits on stuff like magazines. You can cause all sorts of damage to a battleship without having to get through the armor. I'm guessing that DCS doesn't model that sort of thing terribly well though.
It would be interesting to see if you could drop a TOW down one of the stacks. Or maybe down a gun barrel.....
for some reason, my brain switched Leyte gulf with the gulf of Tonkin. and i'm just like "i mean.... yes? it was only three torpedo boats.... they didn't stand a chance against a Sumner-class, they sure as heck don't stand a chance against an Arleigh Burke..."
the brain fog is real.
I haven't played DCS and only know of it because of this channel.
I ask the following out of ignorance: Can shark attacks be modeled in DCS, and could a lone Catalina PBY, on station immediately after the sinking of the USS Indianapolis, have helped save more survivors in the water?
Love these comparisons between navies of different eras, but I'm wondering if you can program the modern ships to take evasive action when they get within range of enemy vessels. I watched this and noticed (as I have before in other simulations) that the modern ships basically plow forward into whatever's left of the enemy fleet, taking unnecessary damage. I get that you can't model every detail; Just wondering if you can add that in.
Gonna need a bigger boat. Also, what about outfitting some of the helicopters with bombs once some of the battleships guns are down?
What mod do you use for the "taxpayer" estimation? Link?
Last stand of the tin can salior was a awsome book
Arleigh Burke has two Helicopter bays, as well as the ability to carry one more on the secondary flight deck, and displaces enough to handle it.
Here’s a strategy: In a modern destroyer you need to go hit-and-run, cuz modern destroyer has absolutely no armor against WW2 era ship guns. So use the advantages of ASMs, empty the weapon bay and run ASAP. A single hit from a Yamato gun can easily rip apart an Arleigh Bruke
Honestly, the Arleigh Burke could probably just sail in circles around the Yamato and they'd be fine. Japanese ships weren't known for accuracy, and I think the Burke would be the fastest ship they've ever fought. Barring getting lucky, I don't think their biggest guns would be much of a threat.
@@Vexas345 I suppose that’d work too, but it’s just me; That’s how I’d go if I was in command, I’m not much of a risk taker 😂
But, if the Bruke goes in circle around Yamato, itd be too close to use missiles right? The 127mm gun onboard would take a while to penetrate the armors of Yamato, I mean yeah we could detonate the AAA turrets around it, but considering Yamato is in a whole damn fleet, the Bruke would have to be aware of being fired at from multiple directions, and even if their aiming sucks, a couple of lucky shots could still end the Bruke
But a Yamato would have practically zero chance of hitting a moving Burke unless it could get under 8 miles. Meanwhile metre perfect rounds from Burke as soon as the range dropped under 13 miles would have taken out every vital piece of above deck infrastructure in under two minutes. The DCS damage models are hopeless!
@@LondonSteveLee I’m not concerned about Yamato though, it’s the other ships around it. Even if they miss, some rounds might get through and tear it down
@@whirlwindeddie2124 Some rounds might hit purely by chance - but the stand off weapons would have taken care of those ships anyway before they got in possible firing range - the sim wasted several missiles on each ship when in reality one would have probably put the ship out of the battle.
can you test what would happen if someone were to put SPEAR-3s on a himars rocket, kinda like a small diameter bomb
"Im dead, somebody spawned inside me i think". 😂
30:20 lmao fire reference by sockington
My Grandpa was on a destroyer escort in that battle. That was a cool video.
Imagine being the US Navy recon pilot, flying on a lovely day, and dropping down through the clouds to come face to face with the Yamato. The biggest and most powerful battleship ever built.
Trousers, I suspect, were duly decorated....
Would have loved to see Halsey's Fleet of battle wagons, take on Kurita's Center thrust .
Interesting and looks like a fun but really does not take into account all the factors that went into the battle of Samar. Kurita and most of the commanders of the fleet were not very into the idea of sacrificing their fleet to destroy the landing fleet. Kurita decisions in this battle were influenced by the idea that he had found the main US carrier fleet. So how he would have responded to a sighting of a single ship is hard to say. Then once his fleet was hit by all those missiles and the damage they caused I do believe he would turned his fleet back around. One of his hesitancy and fears was his fleet being destroyed by US Carrier Aircraft before he could get through the straights. I do suggest more back ground reading into a historical battle before creating the sim to better get the feel of what would happen and how the forces would change the battle field victory conditions. If he had survived with only that small of a force Kurita would just returned home.
In fact after the battle of Samar he did continue on. Low on fuel and unable to cut off the retreating carriers, Kurita ordered his fleet to reassemble shortly after 0900 and make for its assigned target-the anchorage at Leyte Gulf. At about 1230, as they neared the mouth of Leyte Gulf, Kurita suddenly gave the order to turn around and sail north. Some say he received reports that the main US fleet was sighted someplace north and he moved to supposedly engage that fleet. (There is no recorded evidence of such a report.) Again this may go to show his focus was more on sinking capital ships not the landing force ships. In the end there was no US fleet there and with low fuel and the loss of light he would turn west and limp back to home port. Most likely had he engaged the landing fleet he would done some damage but not enough to have slowed the US advance since most of the forces were disembarked already. It is said Kurita later and life said that he chose to retreat because he found no honor in continuing and sacrificing his men for something that would achieve nothing. That retreating was the best thing to do to preserve them to fight another day. Not all Japanese officers believed in just dying for nothing but instead wanted to chose a battle that was worthy to die in. In the planning for operation "Sho" there were many rumblings about sacrificing the last of the Japanese fleet to destroy landing crafts rather than head on engagement of the US capital ships.
Heroic actions at such a level that I can’t get my head around.
30:10 Sock watches Habitual Line Crosser! 😂
Why do the hellfire missile turn so much immediately following launch?
Would you intercept me? I'd intercept me. Lol.
Well it looks like someone is watching habitual linecrosser.
Yeah, there is very little in all of history that could match the disparity of forces, and still result in a "win".
The very stamp and pattern of Duty.
Flight III destroyers can carry 2 helicopters in hangars, and can technically carry one more on the flight deck, although that's not generally normal.
I loved the Habitual Linecrosser reference