PLEASE READ First of all, at this time the video is edited and then published, a firefighter died. Remember that firefighter has died saving others lives so use respect in every single comment you all leave, please. Thanks to him, other people are alive. About the video, thanks to everyone who reported it to me on Twitter. I took a rush, got home and spent all the afternoon editing. Hope you appreciate that work ;) Any HEALTHY debate about the incident is welcome. Yet no offenses, please :D
You did a very good job on editing this on such short notice, my condolences to the firefighter that died it's his bravery that saved the lives of the passengers and crew
You see the first pictures on the tv and you think that it is a wonder, that everybody has survived this accident. Then you hear, that a firefighter has lost his life. It's so sad. Thanks to all firefighters and condulence to the family.
Amen to that, I have no desire to work as an airport fireman, but I'm so thankful that those folks are there. The conditions under which they fight aircraft fires are incredible, so many people packed into a hollow aluminum tube with boatloads of kerosine, I'm very sorry they lost a rescuer.
+Hedeja I added some information, above, that goes as far as possible to explain the circumstances leading to the man's death assuming you were serious in asking the question. People fight fires, explosions can knock you off your feet, as well as burning you beyond your body's tolerance. PAs mention the man was engulfed in flames after an explosion. He was doing his job albeit a dangerous job, thank God they are there to save lives. RIP
RIP firefighter. Highest respect to all flight crew. ATC respect, though seemed a little disorganised regards instructing other aircraft who had to make quick alternative plan or risk jeopardizing their own flight. Thanks for posting.
I was thinking the same thing. An emergency at the airport being handled by fire brigade does not mean ATC can just sit back and watch. They should be directing holding patterns, or vectoring to alternates. Also, if a plane is on fire on the runway, it is likely going to be a VERY extended closure of the airport unless other runways are away from the incident. Why let the airplanes at the ramp sit and wait? Shut em down, send em home. Unorganized for sure.
I read up on the crash at Wiki. It says that the plane was affected by severe windshear, causing it to touch down beyond the threshold. Meaning it might not have enough remaining runway to come to a full stop. The crew decided to go around but because the wheels had touched the runway, activation of go-around automation is inhibited after touchdown, the engine throttle setting remained unchanged. The crew pulled the nose up, adjusted flaps and retracted the landing gear and the plane started to climb a little. Only after 12 seconds did the crew realize the throttle was not set to maximum but then it was too late and the plane sank down and hit the runway. Proper evacutation procedures were not followed by many passengers who gave priority to saving their bags so after 9 minutes the plane was empty apart from the flight captain and senior flight attendant, when an outside explosion killed the firefighter.
@@johnb8956 alternative perspective, Humans had too much control. Not saying glitches don't happen and condolences to those killed or hurt here but in this case the fault is on the pilots neglecting to remember that procedure
Locked overhead bins! That's CRAZY! Stop trying to control other people's behavior because that would actually slow things down, not speed them up. I mean, give them a shove or a kick in the backside if they need it to get moving, but don't tell them what to do or not to do with their luggage.
wantmp3 They are the most stupid person you can find on the earth, I firefighter died to save passengers and they are here to take their stupid fuckin luggage. If I would be there I would take their luggage and really throw them in the plane on fire... 😔
alan jackson Locked overhead is the solution, they should be locked from when the airplane pushback until arriving at the gate destination. Banning the laptops is also a solution, remember UPS 6?
Condolences to the family of the Firefighter that gave their life in this instance. Well wishes for a speedy recovery for all involved. Thank you for the timely posting of the ATC comms.
I am an English teacher with an American accent, if you'd like to work on your listening skill with American accent, I have a bunch of videos on my channel! I also help out with this channel with hard-to-hear English through static.
Both, but I can focus more on accent. Though, you say that only Britain speak "proper" English, but only the British use "proper" English because they are the owners and creators of the language - it will always be "proper" English even into the future 400 years. No one else will ever live up because it's never going to be exactly British English. And as we get further into the future, the languages will continue to evolve away from each other and accents will get different (Accents are getting stronger, not weaker, despite the internet connectivity we enjoy).
What happened to the response from Emirates 521 after the initial landing clearance? Can't hear them declaring go around or responding to tower inquiries.
Amazing job as always.! Kudos to the crew to have evacuated the flight in a short time. My condolences to the family and friends of the firefighters.! Lost a brave heart.!
if more than one person keys their mic at the same time they got "blocked", it's a distinguishable noise that the ATC and other pilots will recognise. The persons being blocked won't know but the others will hopefully know. They'll then ask to "say again". But there is definitely room for confusion. In fact, there are several videos on RUclips where this exact thing happens.
Flying-Experience Me in 1976: ohh next year everything gonna be great at Tenerife airport. Next year: EVERYONE SHUT UP! Pan am wat did You say? Pan am? The next day: over 500 people dead because all of the pilots were talking on the radio.
From what I’ve seen on these videos, ATC will reply with your callsign. If they don’t, then they didn’t hear you and you should repeat yourself after a reasonable delay. Pilots, OTOH, read back the pertinent data points to verify they heard it right and ATC will call back requesting IDENT if they don’t.
did the landing gear collapse on impact or did they forget to put it down? I can see landing gear collapsing on impact without warning if the hydraulics had a problem but it's an item on the checklist put landing gear down, check if gear locked isn't it? The plane should have had it's gear down if it was near the airport. How did the fire fighter die? I didn't hear anything on the news.
+drmayeda1 I think they had positive rate of climb and the gear was on it way up when the plane fell down(my guedss WS). What else could have cause them to lose that altitude so fast, very doubtful that they low speed stalled or that they had dual engine failure, with one engine failure/surge wouldn't put them in the ground specially being Emirates pilots. It was a warm day not the best performance wise.
I reckon it was a combination of Wind Shear, Hot weather (which lowers performance), and Pilot Error. He may have retracted Landing Gear too early (or not extended to begin with) on the go-around and Aircraft could not climb - Causing it to land on it's belly catching fire in the heat. Nearly 50 degrees C during the day. RIP Jassim Essa Al-Baloushi (Fire Fighter)
Retracting the landing gear too early (Excess of drag created by the opening of the gear doors) and so close to the ground might be the closest factor. Adding the poor performaces and a bit of windshear ... and there you go, you finish up with a 0 Rate of climb on a supposed Go around.
That's the 777-300ER that has the 115,000 lb thrust engines. 777-300 has 92,000 to 98,000 lb/engine depending on which engine option was chosen. However, on a go-around, the engines have to spool up from near idle to TO/GA power. This spool-up takes many seconds on large turbine engines. For example, in the Asiana crash at SFO, TO/GA power was selected 7 seconds prior to impact, but the engines had only spooled to approximately 50% thrust at time of impact, if I remember correctly from the NTSB report on the FDR data.
While the engines might be powerful... they take several seconds to "spool up" from idle to full power. You don't take an appx 180 lb main turbine disc from 10% RPM to 100% instantly.
@@jazzi_0453 Thanks for the clarification. I love listening to ATC comms but is often sounds muffled or that leading and trailing call sign indicators are omitted.
Thank you to the firefighter who gave everything to save the people on board. You will be remembered. I can only hope to do something so brave and memorable in my lifetime.
appreciate the rapid publishing of this and condolences to the brave firefighter who made the sacrifice for others. was i the only one to hear a call for "radio silence"? the guys in the air are in charge of their planes, if they need to divert they can and can contact local version of ATC to inform them, not asking tower ; pretty please" how long will i have to wait..!
Thank you for providing the recordings and the transcript so quickly. The text at the beginning reads "Was landing on runway 12L when 'was instructed' to go around." So was it the tower that instructed him to go around?
Thats wrong. As far as I know, the pilot initiated a go-around, retracted the gear but the aircraft won't get up. It touched the runway with gears up and slided all the way down.
The audio feeds from Dubai are so poor. It's not heard when pilot says he's going around. Then the ATCs instructs him to go around and climb straight to 4000'
Whatever the sequence of events, to be determined by an enquiry, a miracle all passengers/crew escaped. Condolences to brave firefighter who gave his life in the rescue. Agree about "request for radio silence" apparently ignored by some impatient pilots!
Pat McDermott the video has been edited so it is likely that it was well after the request for radio silence and a lot of the pilots had only just tuned into ground frequency requesting for push back
News reports that the tower reminded them to lower the landing gears, I don't hear that ever happen, was it earlier? I wonder why tower told them to go around at the last second though.
I'm actually not happy with the atc in this case. Sky dubai 848 repeatedly asked to proceed to an alternate, he has 7 mins worth of fuel. In such an instance why do you hold him up? 7 mins is no time!!
I don't think that is correct. He would have declared a fuel emergency. He was most likely stating 7 minutes of a holding pattern (but enough fuel for alternate). All planes are mandated to have enough fuel to the alternate. Also, Sky dubai does not need permission to fly to alternate. Once pilot states he is going to alternate, the atc will direct him. It is not up to atc to determine when to fly to alternate.
He didn’t have 7 min worth of fuel, he had seven minutes worth of fuel until he needed to start proceeding to an alternate. They don’t plan flights with fuel down to the wire like that, it would cause a hell of a lot of plane crashes.
Report still preliminary, so here is the most relevant Wikipedia excerpt. "Four seconds later the flap setting was reduced to 20°, followed by the undercarriage being selected to retract. Engine throttle settings appear to have remained unchanged during this period due to the flight crew not understanding the auto throttle system and a faulty reliance on automation." Although this investigation could conclude pilot error, we must evaluate what that means. Today's pilots operate within a quasi-automated system-set, their inputs via controls and buttons interplay with the software, and unique situations may render the pilot's operational task actually a debugging procedure related to the precedence and boundary conditions set by software--- something out of human bounds to feasibly complete (compute) within the 1-2 seconds allowed for reaction times during touch-and-go's. Pilots are expected to interplay with possibly anomalous software conditions that only pre-practiced procedural reactions can rectify, if they're caught beforehand. The engineering of flying safety, ease, and redundancy, [over]taxes the pilot's intellectual faculties in unique, poorly or un-practiced situations.
R.I.P to our hero firefighter. Thanks for VASAviation on all the great audio. I have only 1 question because many time I have listen to all this incident audio and I just couldn't understand what's going on in some pilot head? It's already life saving and fire fighting emergency there, another pilot asking for push back and engine start? He expect to fly out when the airport is in emergency and closed?
@@skylerkennedy8307 we have a very large number of smaller controlled airports in the US so we have a lot of ATC that would jump on the opportunity to work in Dubai or elsewhere controlling large airports.
It wasn't instructed to go around as shown at the start of the video, they made that decision all on their own. Passenger and ground personel interviews showed that they touched down hard, nose wheel never touching the ground, seems they where going for a go around. Ground personel mentioned the plane got of the ground again, though the engines didn't spool up, gear was retracted none the less and plane came back down. See Aviation Herald for a more detailed version of mine. Great work on the subtitles though, if I'd do a video like this it would've been 'inaudible' for 5 minutes, 43 seconds
Well, anyone can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. 0:13, says continue approach, plan vacate at Mike-9, read back is correct. Again, told cleared to land @ 0:26 with wind conditions. Acknowledged. 0:46 Told to continue straight and climb to 4000 feet. Read back correct. Then, Aww shit. So.... Someone mentioned WS, and I'm confused at how 11 knots of tail wind would really cause a wild reaction. I'm just curious if the ATC command at last minute might have been the cause? We all know one wrong press of a button can cause some serious issues in these kind of scenarios. Another question is, when they give you that 11 knots, is that a steady 11 knots or gusts up to 11 knots? Thanks for your replies!
It's from 100 degrees (20 degrees from the runway heading, which isn't bad) at a steady 11 knots. The written report at 0:58 in the video shows the wind for time 0900z as 110 degrees (direction) and 21 knots, which is significant. It will be interesting to see what happens with this... My guess is windshear, go-around, crash. If it was a microburst or something similar, the wind reported by the tower could be very different from what the airplane was experiencing just a short distance away. The CVR/FDR should have a lot of interesting information.
I don't hear a call sending him around, sounds like he made a GA decision, raised the gear but failed to climb away and impacted the runway gear up. To answer the question about accents, the majority of controllers at DXB are ex-pat Brits, Americans, Aussies and South Africans.
Report says The pilot "forgot' to add power to climb, left it at idle, instead raised the landing gear...(and stalled it, of course)..give him a medal..
777 have anti-stall auto throttle, however, the gear was down and the plane was very low the anti-stall won't be activated. Same story on an Airbus, the stall prevention won't be active with gear down, full flaps, and very low alt.
Is it normal for pilotes to ask for a pushback or permission to start an engine during such an incident? Or did the tower not inform traffic well? This really weirds me out about this video. Maybe Atc should have done a short broadcast to all traffic that there has been a crash instead of an incident? Just questions that arise while viewing this video (I am not familiar with Atc and just curious).
Lou Junior the ATC will inform who they need to so that they can avoid a multi plane pile up on the runway. The ATC will not confirm pushback for any airline UNLESS the pilots say they are ready for pushback since only the pilots know if they are ready but only the ATC knows what's happening around them. That's why communication is important
Also you cannot broadcast to all the planes you have to tell each plane individually thus you only inform the planes at risk and inform any other planes if they ask for info
the aircraft asking for pushback likely weren't motioning the frequency when ATC announced the airfield as closed as they would of been prepping the aircraft for the flight and you don't need to monitor ATC for that and the ATIS likely hadn't been updated when they listened to it.
This accident is really strange in my opinion. Pilot acknowledged the climb, retracted landing, ( most definately increased thrust to climb ) but for some reason, the plane did not climb. Looks like it could have been a dual engine failure. Or maybe even a stall ? It just doesnt make sense imo. It would be hard to imagine the pilot's not increasing thrust to climb. Eagerly waiting for its accident report 😐
My 2 cents.......Super hot temperature and pressure made the near-sea level airport have a alt density of 5000ft almost. So the engine performance is already degraded. Apart from that, possible windshear (it was on the METAR) and also retracting the landing gear (thereby opening gear doors) creates additional drag...all of the things that will want to bring the plane back down to the ground. But the pilot is obviously trying to go around so he will pitch his nose higher, thereby entering a stall. Though this close to the ground, no time to recover so the crash happened.
Turbine engines take a while to spool (tens of seconds from command to full thrust available.) In the Asiana 214 crash at SFO, for example, they commanded TO/GA power a bit over 7 seconds before impact, but they had only spooled to around 50% thrust at time of impact, if I remember correctly from the NTSB report on the FDR data. Watching video of GE90s spool up on takeoff, TO/GA selection to full power seems to be around 30 seconds. It's also worth remembering that retracting the gear dramatically increases drag during gear transit. Of course, the drag is less once the retraction is completely, but it's very high during the retraction. There's a reason you're not supposed to raise it until after you've established positive climb. Seems like they raised it too early unless perhaps wind shear managed to shove them back down on the runway after positive climb was established. That seems rather unlikely to me, though.
+richboy2307 A stall is highly unlikley if the pilot did go full throttle... Dual Engine failure is a one in a million chance but still possible. Remember British Airways 38 crash landed at heatrow as its engine dint give power on final. All these are possibilities + windshear
Pilot going full throttle is not the same as engine giving full power. There is a noticable delay in engines having full power if you spool them up from near idle power. If there was premature gear-up, even at full throttle, the plane can stall as not enough lift is being generated.
Yes the way this happened, it is very much possible. All I i know from the videos that I have seem is that the landing gear was retracted when the plane crashed. Atleast nose gear was.
I think it would be more interesring to see the process of solving the jam of inbound traffic, espetially the first minutes, when there was a big line of planes on aprroach. I watched in on FR24 right after this accident and found it very interesting even without audio. Thank you.
He did indicate at one point he had only 7 minutes of holding time so he was in a tight spot himself. He could have just made the call to divert but he would still need vectors to his secondary so he needed info within the 10 minute time frame that they had requested for radio silence. Situation isn't improved by having a second emergency or a midair collision. Not sure why there wasn't a 2nd channel for either ops or flights but it's way too early to be judging responses from airport ops, pilots or anyone else on this incident. Let the investigation do that.
The radio silence was asked by the Delivery controller on the ground for departing aircraft. FDB848 was already airborne and informing about his fuel situation to divert.
Do any airports use such a second channel in cases of airport closure due to an incident? I don't recall having ever heard that happen. Seems like it makes more sense for everyone to stay on the published frequencies, as that's what people will be expecting.
Very sad about the death of the firefighter. I'm always amazed at communication ATC talks very fast and to add static to it. Must take a lot of practice as a pilot.
The pilot can hear clearly. We cant hear clearly cuz this audio was obtained by someone recording this using their own equipment (this isnt an official recording)
Awesome video and I personally believe that your conclusions are exactly what happened and mirrored my thoughts within minutes of hearing what had happened and gathering a few of the facts - combined with the safety record of the 777 and lack of gear issues, 118 degrees and poor aircraft performance - appears they called TOGA! and pulled the gear before "positive rate" was declared. Usually you'll be fine, but not when you're slow, unstable, and in 118 degree heat. It seems the aircraft continued to sink for a second after retraction, in spite of TOGA config/TO power. I'd say 95% change of pilot error in this case.
Okay I couldn't hear the go around instructions about the 521 aircraft but I could hear the other go around when the aircraft crashed what was the reason for the go around?
This incident reminds me of Air Canada flt 621 (DC-8) that crashed (1970) just outside YYZ. They came down on 32 hard, lost an engine and pylon and initiated a go around, in a climb to 3000' the aircraft experienced two explosions, everyone was killed. Did the 777 lose its landing gear, I don't quite understand why it's flat on terra firma. Was it due to the wind shear warning that caused the flight crew to think about aborting the landing?
ATC seemed very, very disorganized here. Like they forgot their primary job is AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL. They were basically letting planes fly around on the air free for all unanswered.
Its said that the fire fight died but i don't think he had to die. The fire trucks were very close to the scene but took 5 to 6 minutes to get to the scene. They could have stop the death of the firefight if they were not so chaotic and disorganize. I thank the firefighter for risking his life. Rest in peace... Jassim Essa Al-Baloushi
As a former airport firefighter, i can tell you that "5 to 6 minutes to get to the scene" is absolutely not a bad performance. At our firestation, we had forward stand, where we were on readiness the hole day, sitting in small shelters. From there we could reach any place within 3 minutes (military airport) . But ... on civilian airports they are further away from runway, and mostly they have same rules as we had outside of the buissey hours. Wich is 2 minutes to get the trucks rolling from firestation and then depending on airport size and local rules, 3 minutes to reach any place on runway. These times depend on trucks being allowed to access runways and taxiways, this can easily add time to the response. I am sure these firefighters did an excelent job, and the dead firefighter, his collegues and family, have my deepest condolences.
Remember that airfields are literally miles across. They're not as close as you might think, especially when considering that they have to get clearance to enter any runways or taxiways. Even at 60 mph, it would take a few minutes to cross most major airports.
based on regulation the fire fighter unit must reach any place at the airport in 3 minutes. On big airports where one station is not enough is more stations to cover 3 minutes response time.
What pre-landing fire? I heard nothing of a fire before landing. It seems extremely unlikely that they would have had another aircraft (EK565) sequenced on final behind them if they had actually been on fire prior to landing. Instead, they would have declared an emergency and the field would have been shut down except for them with the fire trucks already waiting by the runway.
vbscript2 I heard on some news websites that there were flames seen coming from the aircraft before it landed. I'm not sure where they got this information from so I don't know if it is correct. Maybe it was just before the touched down?
+DatSeriousFace Although it's not impossible, I find it highly unlikely that they forgot to put the gear down. They would be getting config warnings long before they got to the runway where a go around was decided (by whom, I don't know). There could be other issues at play, but my guess (and it's no more than a guess) is that they retracted the gear prematurely in the GA (before the engines had fully spooled up) and as a result, contacted the ground with the fuselage instead of the gear. Why they went in the GA so late in the approach, I don't know.
I'm not sure, but if I had to guess I'd assume that that isn't standard at DXB. IIRC, there's literally not a single plane in Emirates' entire fleet that *wouldn't* be at least 'heavy,' so the terminology would be mostly redundant there. It's a very different situation from U.S. airports where most of the aircraft are much smaller ones on domestic routes.
The smallest aircraft in the Emirates fleet is the A330-200, which is also a heavy. Due to this being their hub, there is no need to add this suffix as it is completely redundant.
Thanks for the replies, I had an assumption it was something along those lines, Just wanted to check with people who might be more knowledgeable than myself on international aviation operations.
Generally, that's a U.S.-specific requirement. Also, every Emirates plane is classified as a heavy, except for their lone business jet which is an Airbus A319.
Part 2-Latest Word-As the woman holding the camera guides her children to the emergency exit, where passengers were throwing themselves down inflatable slides, a voice can be heard shouting for her to 'jump, jump, jump'. She continues filming throughout her dramatic escape, and as she flees the wreckage the camera captures a glimpse of the flaming engine. Minutes later, as passengers fled the destroyed plane, it exploded into a fireball that claimed the life of hero firefighter Jasim Issa Mohammed Hassan. All 300 people on board were able to escape from the burning aircraft, but a firefighter was killed tackling the blaze. emerged that pilots tried to abort the landing moments before the jet crashed, telling air traffic controllers they wanted to 'go around'.
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RIP Jasim Issa Mohammed Hassan, the firefighter who died in the line of duty saving others.
Goof
@@irisfields1659 Eh?
Rip
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First of all, at this time the video is edited and then published, a firefighter died. Remember that firefighter has died saving others lives so use respect in every single comment you all leave, please. Thanks to him, other people are alive.
About the video, thanks to everyone who reported it to me on Twitter. I took a rush, got home and spent all the afternoon editing. Hope you appreciate that work ;)
Any HEALTHY debate about the incident is welcome. Yet no offenses, please :D
You did a very good job on editing this on such short notice, my condolences to the firefighter that died it's his bravery that saved the lives of the passengers and crew
Thank u for ur work.
Just saw a Chinese translated version of this video. People do love your work!
Zhu Yang
Could you please link the video? They asked me for permission but didn't sent me the video itself.
www.miaopai.com/show/7eRHFbiNKcDXFhS-Bw5zAQ__.htm. Here you go.
R.I.P. Brother Fire Fighter, you are among heroes in Heaven!
Stupid people r rg to save a wallet
You see the first pictures on the tv and you think that it is a wonder, that everybody has survived this accident.
Then you hear, that a firefighter has lost his life. It's so sad. Thanks to all firefighters and condulence to the family.
as you probably notice: there's a lot of radio static while the video's playing
R.I.P firefighter.
Jassim Essa Al-Baloushi
Amen to that, I have no desire to work as an airport fireman, but I'm so thankful that those folks are there. The conditions under which they fight aircraft fires are incredible, so many people packed into a hollow aluminum tube with boatloads of kerosine, I'm very sorry they lost a rescuer.
how did he died?
Hedeja As the plane burst into flames he suffered fatal injures
+Hedeja I added some information, above, that goes as far as possible to explain the circumstances leading to the man's death assuming you were serious in asking the question. People fight fires, explosions can knock you off your feet, as well as burning you beyond your body's tolerance. PAs mention the man was engulfed in flames after an explosion. He was doing his job albeit a dangerous job, thank God they are there to save lives. RIP
Thank you for uploading this so quickly, and also, RIP to the firefighter who lost his life fighting the blaze.
RIP firefighter. Highest respect to all flight crew. ATC respect, though seemed a little disorganised regards instructing other aircraft who had to make quick alternative plan or risk jeopardizing their own flight. Thanks for posting.
I was thinking the same thing. An emergency at the airport being handled by fire brigade does not mean ATC can just sit back and watch. They should be directing holding patterns, or vectoring to alternates. Also, if a plane is on fire on the runway, it is likely going to be a VERY extended closure of the airport unless other runways are away from the incident. Why let the airplanes at the ramp sit and wait? Shut em down, send em home. Unorganized for sure.
@@Kalikus808 before commenting this just try get a basic air traffic information at dubai airport
What can I say, the visuals are beyond excellent I appreciate having the layout along with the audio. Well done!
R.I.P Jassim Essa Al-Baloushi
I think she said "do not waste time proceed to the aircraft"
I read up on the crash at Wiki.
It says that the plane was affected by severe windshear, causing it to touch down beyond the threshold. Meaning it might not have enough remaining runway to come to a full stop.
The crew decided to go around but because the wheels had touched the runway, activation of go-around automation is inhibited after touchdown, the engine throttle setting remained unchanged.
The crew pulled the nose up, adjusted flaps and retracted the landing gear and the plane started to climb a little.
Only after 12 seconds did the crew realize the throttle was not set to maximum but then it was too late and the plane sank down and hit the runway.
Proper evacutation procedures were not followed by many passengers who gave priority to saving their bags so after 9 minutes the plane was empty apart from the flight captain and senior flight attendant, when an outside explosion killed the firefighter.
Prime example of the computer having too much control
@@johnb8956 and idiots not evacuating properly.
@@oisinbuckley7436 Bags before other's lifes? That's way too selfish for a situation like this but sadly it's reality...
@@oisinbuckley7436 I mean they were idiots but noone died because of it.
@@johnb8956 alternative perspective, Humans had too much control. Not saying glitches don't happen and condolences to those killed or hurt here but in this case the fault is on the pilots neglecting to remember that procedure
If you want to get really mad, find the video of most of the passengers getting their luggage before exiting, while the cabin is filling with smoke.
When you see how the plane ended up (burnt to a crisp), it's even worse.
Time for locked over head bins[no batteries allowed i.e laptops]. RIP-Fire fighter, God bless your soul.
Locked overhead bins! That's CRAZY! Stop trying to control other people's behavior because that would actually slow things down, not speed them up. I mean, give them a shove or a kick in the backside if they need it to get moving, but don't tell them what to do or not to do with their luggage.
wantmp3 They are the most stupid person you can find on the earth, I firefighter died to save passengers and they are here to take their stupid fuckin luggage. If I would be there I would take their luggage and really throw them in the plane on fire... 😔
alan jackson Locked overhead is the solution, they should be locked from when the airplane pushback until arriving at the gate destination. Banning the laptops is also a solution, remember UPS 6?
Condolences to the family of the Firefighter that gave their life in this instance. Well wishes for a speedy recovery for all involved. Thank you for the timely posting of the ATC comms.
Thanks for posting this so quickly. I'm sure that it was difficult but you did a fine job in such a short time of this tragic incident.
Many people reported it to me on Twitter and as soon as I got home, I started editing without pause. Glad you appreciate that effort :)
Great! VASAviation you're the best!
Me? No, you subscribers are the best :)
RIP the firefighter that died trying to save lives.
5:15 "I'll call you back when we find something out. It will be a significant amount of time."
Thank you! Didn't happen to catch it myself! :)
Wow, the atc sounds so much more professional and I can actually understand what they saying unlike American atc. Way to go Dubai
English / Australian accent tends to be more eloquent and easily understood. You might not be used to the American Accents.
I am an English teacher with an American accent, if you'd like to work on your listening skill with American accent, I have a bunch of videos on my channel! I also help out with this channel with hard-to-hear English through static.
Do you mean in terms of accent or vocabulary. I agree Americans dont use proper vocabulary and terminology which is confusing
Both, but I can focus more on accent. Though, you say that only Britain speak "proper" English, but only the British use "proper" English because they are the owners and creators of the language - it will always be "proper" English even into the future 400 years. No one else will ever live up because it's never going to be exactly British English. And as we get further into the future, the languages will continue to evolve away from each other and accents will get different (Accents are getting stronger, not weaker, despite the internet connectivity we enjoy).
Very interesting perspective on languages.
RIP the fireman. He died saving others lifes. May he be in a better place now.
What happened to the response from Emirates 521 after the initial landing clearance? Can't hear them declaring go around or responding to tower inquiries.
Amazing job as always.! Kudos to the crew to have evacuated the flight in a short time. My condolences to the family and friends of the firefighters.! Lost a brave heart.!
what happens if multiple pilots talk at the same time - how do they know if the tower is listening to them or...is there any room for confusion?
if more than one person keys their mic at the same time they got "blocked", it's a distinguishable noise that the ATC and other pilots will recognise. The persons being blocked won't know but the others will hopefully know. They'll then ask to "say again". But there is definitely room for confusion. In fact, there are several videos on RUclips where this exact thing happens.
Flying-Experience
Me in 1976: ohh next year everything gonna be great at Tenerife airport.
Next year: EVERYONE SHUT UP! Pan am wat did You say? Pan am?
The next day: over 500 people dead because all of the pilots were talking on the radio.
when the tower replies to anyone, the tower will start the statement with the plane they are talking to.
From what I’ve seen on these videos, ATC will reply with your callsign. If they don’t, then they didn’t hear you and you should repeat yourself after a reasonable delay. Pilots, OTOH, read back the pertinent data points to verify they heard it right and ATC will call back requesting IDENT if they don’t.
Great work getting this out so early!
Interesting to read to reports about what may have caused it, my guess is WS.
You think Windshear caused that? No way..
did the landing gear collapse on impact or did they forget to put it down? I can see landing gear collapsing on impact without warning if the hydraulics had a problem but it's an item on the checklist put landing gear down, check if gear locked isn't it? The plane should have had it's gear down if it was near the airport. How did the fire fighter die? I didn't hear anything on the news.
I think the tower told them the gear didn't come down so they tried to go around. I don't know exactly.
Joshua Downes
I listened to the clip and I didn't hear anything about the landing gear..Boeing plane so NTSB will be involved.
+drmayeda1 I think they had positive rate of climb and the gear was on it way up when the plane fell down(my guedss WS). What else could have cause them to lose that altitude so fast, very doubtful that they low speed stalled or that they had dual engine failure, with one engine failure/surge wouldn't put them in the ground specially being Emirates pilots. It was a warm day not the best performance wise.
I reckon it was a combination of Wind Shear, Hot weather (which lowers performance), and Pilot Error. He may have retracted Landing Gear too early (or not extended to begin with) on the go-around and Aircraft could not climb - Causing it to land on it's belly catching fire in the heat. Nearly 50 degrees C during the day. RIP Jassim Essa Al-Baloushi (Fire Fighter)
Retracting the landing gear too early (Excess of drag created by the opening of the gear doors) and so close to the ground might be the closest factor. Adding the poor performaces and a bit of windshear ... and there you go, you finish up with a 0 Rate of climb on a supposed Go around.
Did the pilot missed the approach or was any other reason for the go around?
Except one thing wrong about your theory, the 777 has the most powerful engines built, it's not a 152, at about 110,000 lbs of thrust per.
That's the 777-300ER that has the 115,000 lb thrust engines. 777-300 has 92,000 to 98,000 lb/engine depending on which engine option was chosen. However, on a go-around, the engines have to spool up from near idle to TO/GA power. This spool-up takes many seconds on large turbine engines. For example, in the Asiana crash at SFO, TO/GA power was selected 7 seconds prior to impact, but the engines had only spooled to approximately 50% thrust at time of impact, if I remember correctly from the NTSB report on the FDR data.
While the engines might be powerful... they take several seconds to "spool up" from idle to full power. You don't take an appx 180 lb main turbine disc from 10% RPM to 100% instantly.
It still kind of baffles me why Air Traffic Control sometimes sounds like the two dollar walkie talkies I had as a child.
Thats only the quality of the recording, the actual audio is much better
@@jazzi_0453 Thanks for the clarification. I love listening to ATC comms but is often sounds muffled or that leading and trailing call sign indicators are omitted.
RIP to the firefighter who gave his life, you will be missed.
Amazing turn-around time, and good quality too. Impressive work.
When I heard about this flight yesterday I was wondering when you would upload this. I can always rely on this channel to supply us with atc audio !
Thank you to the firefighter who gave everything to save the people on board.
You will be remembered. I can only hope to do something so brave and memorable in my lifetime.
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appreciate the rapid publishing of this and condolences to the brave firefighter who made the sacrifice for others. was i the only one to hear a call for "radio silence"? the guys in the air are in charge of their planes, if they need to divert they can and can contact local version of ATC to inform them, not asking tower ; pretty please" how long will i have to wait..!
nice splash screen and timely upload
Thank you for providing the recordings and the transcript so quickly. The text at the beginning reads "Was landing on runway 12L when 'was instructed' to go around." So was it the tower that instructed him to go around?
Thats wrong. As far as I know, the pilot initiated a go-around, retracted the gear but the aircraft won't get up. It touched the runway with gears up and slided all the way down.
The audio feeds from Dubai are so poor. It's not heard when pilot says he's going around. Then the ATCs instructs him to go around and climb straight to 4000'
+VASAviation - I think it's correctly written at avherald.com
Quality video as always! 01:28 is 'hold abeam Bravo''
Actually it is "Hold abeam 3 BRAVO" referring to the holding point LIMA-3-BRAVO. Thanks! :D
Whatever the sequence of events, to be determined by an enquiry, a miracle all passengers/crew escaped. Condolences to brave firefighter who gave his life in the rescue. Agree about "request for radio silence" apparently ignored by some impatient pilots!
Pat McDermott the video has been edited so it is likely that it was well after the request for radio silence and a lot of the pilots had only just tuned into ground frequency requesting for push back
You can't hear a broadcast before the radio has been turned on.
sad in hear that a firefighter lost her life...I see how hard this work just to be there. R.I.P and my condolences for the family
News reports that the tower reminded them to lower the landing gears, I don't hear that ever happen, was it earlier? I wonder why tower told them to go around at the last second though.
I couldn't seem to get any of the audio when it was live very good job
I'm actually not happy with the atc in this case. Sky dubai 848 repeatedly asked to proceed to an alternate, he has 7 mins worth of fuel. In such an instance why do you hold him up? 7 mins is no time!!
I don't think that is correct. He would have declared a fuel emergency. He was most likely stating 7 minutes of a holding pattern (but enough fuel for alternate). All planes are mandated to have enough fuel to the alternate. Also, Sky dubai does not need permission to fly to alternate. Once pilot states he is going to alternate, the atc will direct him. It is not up to atc to determine when to fly to alternate.
I don't think it is sky Dubai.. No such thing.. It is fly Dubai 😂
Fly Dubai s call sign is Sky Dubai, just like British Airways (Speedbird)
He didn’t have 7 min worth of fuel, he had seven minutes worth of fuel until he needed to start proceeding to an alternate. They don’t plan flights with fuel down to the wire like that, it would cause a hell of a lot of plane crashes.
Hi, Brilliant upload, thanks.
is there a reason why the audio quality is so bad for one of the planes?
Report still preliminary, so here is the most relevant Wikipedia excerpt. "Four seconds later the flap setting was reduced to 20°, followed by the undercarriage being selected to retract. Engine throttle settings appear to have remained unchanged during this period due to the flight crew not understanding the auto throttle system and a faulty reliance on automation."
Although this investigation could conclude pilot error, we must evaluate what that means. Today's pilots operate within a quasi-automated system-set, their inputs via controls and buttons interplay with the software, and unique situations may render the pilot's operational task actually a debugging procedure related to the precedence and boundary conditions set by software--- something out of human bounds to feasibly complete (compute) within the 1-2 seconds allowed for reaction times during touch-and-go's. Pilots are expected to interplay with possibly anomalous software conditions that only pre-practiced procedural reactions can rectify, if they're caught beforehand. The engineering of flying safety, ease, and redundancy, [over]taxes the pilot's intellectual faculties in unique, poorly or un-practiced situations.
That one news who shocked all TRV to DXB frequent passengers including me!
R.I.P to our hero firefighter.
Thanks for VASAviation on all the great audio.
I have only 1 question because many time I have listen to all this incident audio and I just couldn't understand what's going on in some pilot head? It's already life saving and fire fighting emergency there, another pilot asking for push back and engine start? He expect to fly out when the airport is in emergency and closed?
That firefighter is a legend
4:12 This OMDB DEL sounds American, eh?
iamdebster exactly. His phraseology is also FAA standard, apart from the accent
People follow big bucks.
They like to hire Americans for some reason 🤷🏼♂️
@@skylerkennedy8307 we have a very large number of smaller controlled airports in the US so we have a lot of ATC that would jump on the opportunity to work in Dubai or elsewhere controlling large airports.
Douglas Forsyth it was a joke
It wasn't instructed to go around as shown at the start of the video, they made that decision all on their own. Passenger and ground personel interviews showed that they touched down hard, nose wheel never touching the ground, seems they where going for a go around. Ground personel mentioned the plane got of the ground again, though the engines didn't spool up, gear was retracted none the less and plane came back down. See Aviation Herald for a more detailed version of mine. Great work on the subtitles though, if I'd do a video like this it would've been 'inaudible' for 5 minutes, 43 seconds
Basic pilot error combined with a quirk of the automation which few pilots actually knew about. Lessons definitely learned from this disaster.
Well, anyone can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. 0:13, says continue approach, plan vacate at Mike-9, read back is correct. Again, told cleared to land @ 0:26 with wind conditions. Acknowledged. 0:46 Told to continue straight and climb to 4000 feet. Read back correct. Then, Aww shit. So.... Someone mentioned WS, and I'm confused at how 11 knots of tail wind would really cause a wild reaction. I'm just curious if the ATC command at last minute might have been the cause? We all know one wrong press of a button can cause some serious issues in these kind of scenarios. Another question is, when they give you that 11 knots, is that a steady 11 knots or gusts up to 11 knots? Thanks for your replies!
It's from 100 degrees (20 degrees from the runway heading, which isn't bad) at a steady 11 knots. The written report at 0:58 in the video shows the wind for time 0900z as 110 degrees (direction) and 21 knots, which is significant. It will be interesting to see what happens with this... My guess is windshear, go-around, crash. If it was a microburst or something similar, the wind reported by the tower could be very different from what the airplane was experiencing just a short distance away. The CVR/FDR should have a lot of interesting information.
+Tim Hey, how do we read those two lines at 0:58 .. I understood what you said about the wind speed and the direction
I remembered, I was in an airvarft from Paris to Istanbul and I saw the crash on TV from the plane
My condolences to the family of the firefighter who sadly died. A brave soul who will be remembered for his heroism.
I don't hear a call sending him around, sounds like he made a GA decision, raised the gear but failed to climb away and impacted the runway gear up. To answer the question about accents, the majority of controllers at DXB are ex-pat Brits, Americans, Aussies and South Africans.
all the technology in the world, you'd think they'd find a way to get rid of the white noise in comms
It only happens because people record it from websites, the quality irl is much better
Many reports said ATC said "your gear is up" or "check gear down" is this not true then
Report says The pilot "forgot' to add power to climb, left it at idle, instead raised the landing gear...(and stalled it, of course)..give him a medal..
it would never happen with an Airbus.
bet
777 have anti-stall auto throttle, however, the gear was down and the plane was very low the anti-stall won't be activated. Same story on an Airbus, the stall prevention won't be active with gear down, full flaps, and very low alt.
Always power first before you start to pull back.... go around 101....
AaronShenghao In the extreme stress of an unexpected situation, even a well-trained individual can forget things and make mistakes.
no body:
Syrian Air 515: we can hold for 40 min
Is it normal for pilotes to ask for a pushback or permission to start an engine during such an incident? Or did the tower not inform traffic well? This really weirds me out about this video. Maybe Atc should have done a short broadcast to all traffic that there has been a crash instead of an incident? Just questions that arise while viewing this video (I am not familiar with Atc and just curious).
Lou Junior the ATC will inform who they need to so that they can avoid a multi plane pile up on the runway. The ATC will not confirm pushback for any airline UNLESS the pilots say they are ready for pushback since only the pilots know if they are ready but only the ATC knows what's happening around them. That's why communication is important
Also you cannot broadcast to all the planes you have to tell each plane individually thus you only inform the planes at risk and inform any other planes if they ask for info
Sidd they can broadcast to all on frequency. They were just busy.
the aircraft asking for pushback likely weren't motioning the frequency when ATC announced the airfield as closed as they would of been prepping the aircraft for the flight and you don't need to monitor ATC for that and the ATIS likely hadn't been updated when they listened to it.
This is Dubai
Why are they asking Delivery for holding times?!
The airport was closed. Nobody was landing or departing.
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+VASAviation - No way!! Are you Portuguese?
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This accident is really strange in my opinion. Pilot acknowledged the climb, retracted landing, ( most definately increased thrust to climb ) but for some reason, the plane did not climb. Looks like it could have been a dual engine failure. Or maybe even a stall ? It just doesnt make sense imo. It would be hard to imagine the pilot's not increasing thrust to climb. Eagerly waiting for its accident report 😐
My 2 cents.......Super hot temperature and pressure made the near-sea level airport have a alt density of 5000ft almost. So the engine performance is already degraded. Apart from that, possible windshear (it was on the METAR) and also retracting the landing gear (thereby opening gear doors) creates additional drag...all of the things that will want to bring the plane back down to the ground. But the pilot is obviously trying to go around so he will pitch his nose higher, thereby entering a stall. Though this close to the ground, no time to recover so the crash happened.
Turbine engines take a while to spool (tens of seconds from command to full thrust available.) In the Asiana 214 crash at SFO, for example, they commanded TO/GA power a bit over 7 seconds before impact, but they had only spooled to around 50% thrust at time of impact, if I remember correctly from the NTSB report on the FDR data. Watching video of GE90s spool up on takeoff, TO/GA selection to full power seems to be around 30 seconds.
It's also worth remembering that retracting the gear dramatically increases drag during gear transit. Of course, the drag is less once the retraction is completely, but it's very high during the retraction. There's a reason you're not supposed to raise it until after you've established positive climb. Seems like they raised it too early unless perhaps wind shear managed to shove them back down on the runway after positive climb was established. That seems rather unlikely to me, though.
+richboy2307 A stall is highly unlikley if the pilot did go full throttle... Dual Engine failure is a one in a million chance but still possible. Remember British Airways 38 crash landed at heatrow as its engine dint give power on final. All these are possibilities + windshear
Pilot going full throttle is not the same as engine giving full power. There is a noticable delay in engines having full power if you spool them up from near idle power. If there was premature gear-up, even at full throttle, the plane can stall as not enough lift is being generated.
Yes the way this happened, it is very much possible. All I i know from the videos that I have seem is that the landing gear was retracted when the plane crashed. Atleast nose gear was.
I think it would be more interesring to see the process of solving the jam of inbound traffic, espetially the first minutes, when there was a big line of planes on aprroach. I watched in on FR24 right after this accident and found it very interesting even without audio. Thank you.
SUPER QUICK! good job :)
They should have been recording Ultimate Airport Dubai.
i feel sorry for the firefighter who died trying to save others it really sad, lets hope all the crew and everybody else have a speedy recovery
Please could someone explain what FDB848 was doing? I thought radio silence was called for?
He did indicate at one point he had only 7 minutes of holding time so he was in a tight spot himself. He could have just made the call to divert but he would still need vectors to his secondary so he needed info within the 10 minute time frame that they had requested for radio silence. Situation isn't improved by having a second emergency or a midair collision. Not sure why there wasn't a 2nd channel for either ops or flights but it's way too early to be judging responses from airport ops, pilots or anyone else on this incident. Let the investigation do that.
The radio silence was asked by the Delivery controller on the ground for departing aircraft. FDB848 was already airborne and informing about his fuel situation to divert.
Do any airports use such a second channel in cases of airport closure due to an incident? I don't recall having ever heard that happen. Seems like it makes more sense for everyone to stay on the published frequencies, as that's what people will be expecting.
Understood. Thank you all for your explanations.
Yes, there is always a secondary frequency, also there is an emergency frequency.
3:55 Syrian Air is still flying?!?!?
cripplehawk Same thing I thought when I heard that callsign.
Yeah i was wondering when this was.
Legend has it its still flying
Very sad about the death of the firefighter. I'm always amazed at communication ATC talks very fast and to add static to it. Must take a lot of practice as a pilot.
How on earth can the pilot understand the tower with all that static?
The pilot can hear clearly. We cant hear clearly cuz this audio was obtained by someone recording this using their own equipment (this isnt an official recording)
thanks for that mate, never knew that!
I fuckiing dont know some poeple i cant understand there they dont speak good english and pilots now everthing.
been binge watching
emu collins go to sleep Jon
By the way, Emirates 565 was a 777-300ER from Bangalore, not an A380
it was a 777-300 NON ER version. so you are slightly wrong.
Not the accident flight, the airplane BEHIND the accident flight! THAT was a 777-300ER, registered A6-EPL.
Awesome video and I personally believe that your conclusions are exactly what happened and mirrored my thoughts within minutes of hearing what had happened and gathering a few of the facts - combined with the safety record of the 777 and lack of gear issues, 118 degrees and poor aircraft performance - appears they called TOGA! and pulled the gear before "positive rate" was declared. Usually you'll be fine, but not when you're slow, unstable, and in 118 degree heat. It seems the aircraft continued to sink for a second after retraction, in spite of TOGA config/TO power. I'd say 95% change of pilot error in this case.
The communication is far from smooth and clear? Compared with LAX or AMS Schiphol
MD88 - DAL2599 on 7/25/2018 @ 3:59pm CDT - lost engine - core fell from plane and returned to Nashville, TN
Great job!
Why did he retract his gear when it wasnt a positive rate?
From where did you get the Real ATC voice for Dubai?
great work guys
How in hells name do they understand a single world with all that rustle
3:55 Akbar Al Baker ?! O.o
THEIZAZO lol
Emirates 565 is the flight from Bangalore . Oh my god! Seriously all Indian flights to Dubai at time
No, I think it's 561 from thiruvanathapuram!!!
Okay I couldn't hear the go around instructions about the 521 aircraft but I could hear the other go around when the aircraft crashed what was the reason for the go around?
Sounds like an Aussie pilot
This incident reminds me of Air Canada flt 621 (DC-8) that crashed (1970) just outside YYZ. They came down on 32 hard, lost an engine and pylon and initiated a go around, in a climb to 3000' the aircraft experienced two explosions, everyone was killed. Did the 777 lose its landing gear, I don't quite understand why it's flat on terra firma. Was it due to the wind shear warning that caused the flight crew to think about aborting the landing?
ATC seemed very, very disorganized here. Like they forgot their primary job is AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL. They were basically letting planes fly around on the air free for all unanswered.
What happprnd to the airbus did it hit the b777 521 crashed?
How are half these pilots flying?? It’s like talking to a brick wall!
rip to the firefighter.
Why is there only noise from FDB731 ?
Anyone know why there is such heavy static in this communication?
Its said that the fire fight died but i don't think he had to die. The fire trucks were very close to the scene but took 5 to 6 minutes to get to the scene. They could have stop the death of the firefight if they were not so chaotic and disorganize. I thank the firefighter for risking his life. Rest in peace... Jassim Essa Al-Baloushi
As a former airport firefighter, i can tell you that "5 to 6 minutes to get to the scene" is absolutely not a bad performance. At our firestation, we had forward stand, where we were on readiness the hole day, sitting in small shelters. From there we could reach any place within 3 minutes (military airport) .
But ... on civilian airports they are further away from runway, and mostly they have same rules as we had outside of the buissey hours. Wich is 2 minutes to get the trucks rolling from firestation and then depending on airport size and local rules, 3 minutes to reach any place on runway.
These times depend on trucks being allowed to access runways and taxiways, this can easily add time to the response.
I am sure these firefighters did an excelent job, and the dead firefighter, his collegues and family, have my deepest condolences.
Remember that airfields are literally miles across. They're not as close as you might think, especially when considering that they have to get clearance to enter any runways or taxiways. Even at 60 mph, it would take a few minutes to cross most major airports.
based on regulation the fire fighter unit must reach any place at the airport in 3 minutes. On big airports where one station is not enough is more stations to cover 3 minutes response time.
Did the engine gear had some technical problems? Hydraulic systems failure?
From what I think, it looks like landing gear failed or pilot forgot to deploy them. Not sure what caused the pre-landing fire.
Unlikely, some stated the aircraft was able to retract its gear
What pre-landing fire? I heard nothing of a fire before landing. It seems extremely unlikely that they would have had another aircraft (EK565) sequenced on final behind them if they had actually been on fire prior to landing. Instead, they would have declared an emergency and the field would have been shut down except for them with the fire trucks already waiting by the runway.
vbscript2 I heard on some news websites that there were flames seen coming from the aircraft before it landed. I'm not sure where they got this information from so I don't know if it is correct. Maybe it was just before the touched down?
+DatSeriousFace Although it's not impossible, I find it highly unlikely that they forgot to put the gear down. They would be getting config warnings long before they got to the runway where a go around was decided (by whom, I don't know). There could be other issues at play, but my guess (and it's no more than a guess) is that they retracted the gear prematurely in the GA (before the engines had fully spooled up) and as a result, contacted the ground with the fuselage instead of the gear. Why they went in the GA so late in the approach, I don't know.
Does anyone know why the Emirates flight didn't identify itself as a "heavy" aircraft over ATC?
I'm not sure, but if I had to guess I'd assume that that isn't standard at DXB. IIRC, there's literally not a single plane in Emirates' entire fleet that *wouldn't* be at least 'heavy,' so the terminology would be mostly redundant there. It's a very different situation from U.S. airports where most of the aircraft are much smaller ones on domestic routes.
The Heavy suffix is an FAA thing. Not all airports use those suffixes.
The smallest aircraft in the Emirates fleet is the A330-200, which is also a heavy. Due to this being their hub, there is no need to add this suffix as it is completely redundant.
Thanks for the replies, I had an assumption it was something along those lines, Just wanted to check with people who might be more knowledgeable than myself on international aviation operations.
Generally, that's a U.S.-specific requirement. Also, every Emirates plane is classified as a heavy, except for their lone business jet which is an Airbus A319.
R.I.P firefighter!
521 was told to go around and climd to 4000' runway heading. Wonder what went wrong.
Probably not enough time to initiate the go-around.
They shouldn't retract the gear until positive rate of climb.
R.I.P firefighter
Hey is it possible, the ATC told him to go around because that other blue plane was still crossing the runway?
No, the blue aircraft (A Fly Dubai) had already cross the runway.
I heard the wind as 340 degrees not 100 degrees
How in the hell do they make out any words out of that radio transmition... its just noise.
Forget the exact details, but I've read that they hear each other clearer than someone listening in from the outside with their personal radio.
who is the pilot and first officer?
Part 2-Latest Word-As the woman holding the camera guides her children to the emergency exit, where passengers were throwing themselves down inflatable slides, a voice can be heard shouting for her to 'jump, jump, jump'. She continues filming throughout her dramatic escape, and as she flees the wreckage the camera captures a glimpse of the flaming engine. Minutes later, as passengers fled the destroyed plane, it exploded into a fireball that claimed the life of hero firefighter Jasim Issa Mohammed Hassan.
All 300 people on board were able to escape from the burning aircraft, but a firefighter was killed tackling the blaze. emerged that pilots tried to abort the landing moments before the jet crashed, telling air traffic controllers they wanted to 'go around'.
Did 848 get acknowledged and diverted..?
Must of because i don't think that one fell out the sky as well.