Ana Kasparian & Ben Shapiro Debate China, Outsourcing and Manufacturing
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2023
- Ana Kasparian sits down with Ben Shapiro to discuss outsourcing and manufacturing in the United States. Watch TYT LIVE on weekdays 6-8 pm ET. ruclips.net/user/theyoungturkslive
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Refreshing to see an honest conversation and zero mudslinging.
Nice seeing a proper conversation rather than demonizing the other side
You mean both sides demonizing each other.
Now it can be done by people in power.
@@onamattapeeya it won’t be cos corporate interests
@@Kratos40595 true
It is refreshing to see people with seemingly opposing ideas and viewpoints converse calmly, respectfully intelligently. We need a lot more of this in this country.
they're both adults. what a change.
Yo this pretty cool tyt need more of this instead of yelling in a echo chamber.
Yelling in a echo chamber like Benny? 🤪
@@FortitudineVincimus So Ben allowing Anna Kasparian on his show is an echo chamber?
@@imbored6724 I mean as opposed to Benny yelling in his echo chamber to his audience by HIMSELF... feigning outrage at the most idiotic crap that he usually does.
There's a reason this is Ben's show and not tyt. Ben does professional punditry. Tyt does tmz tabloid shitflinging.
@@FortitudineVincimus Name 1 conservative that tyt has invited on their show in the past year to have a conversation with
Ana sounds like she finally started questioning what she's been fed.
and it's beautiful
She is seeing the Light!
I think Ben is also questioning some of his beliefs too from this that was also previously fed. It's good to do this
I made a decent living in the 80’s as a single woman. I had affordable rent in nice apartments, could afford a reliable car and had money to spend for entertainment and clothing as a waitress. Even my healthcare was affordable. I don’t know how young adults today can afford what I could back then.
My mom made the modern equivalent of $171,000 in the mid 70s doing the exact job that pays $58,000 on average today, with a bachelor’s degree and 1-year internship. She made the modern equivalent of $101,000 $184,000 in the mid 80s doing jobs that pay $56,000 and $71,000 now. Plus her energy, housing, education, and medical expenses were 1/4 as much, compared to all goods and services, while food basically kept up with inflation. Those are all either very basic needs or they are essentially human capital investments (no education, no job).
@@user-wi3yx3gy2o What job is that?
@@user-ib9bk7nq6s Medical technologist. Medical diagnostic equipment repair, and later sales of the same. You need a degree in microbiology to be a Med Tech, but now there are a lot fewer jobs because most were replaced in the 90s with machines and other really low paid techs and you only need a short training to perform that job.
Ana sounds cool here. She’s so much better when she’s not snapping lol
So great seeing actual discussions!
Ben "i am wrong on everything"
I'd trade the convenience of Amazon to have the small businesses back in my town square. My town was bustling in the 80's and 90's. Now everything is gone. It's a ghost town.
Would you also get rid of car to ride a horse?😊...... Just joking. 😊
@@carmodypj tbh yeah riding a horse seems much cooler than a car. It might not be as efficient but who cares
I often wish I could live among the Amish
the amount of hate and division in these comments is upsetting and immature. people need to grow up and learn to just watch and listen to simple discourse without insulting one side. open your mind PLEASE.🤦🏼♀️
Agreed.
Never ever gonna happen. 2 emotional and stupid
@@Mathis313 you're exactly right sadly
If you read the comment section on Ben's channel, almost every comment appreciated hearing from both sides and loved the conversation. People on the left seem to be so unwilling to even want to listen to an opposing viewpoint and just comparing the TYT comment section to Ben's kind of shows that.
@@josephweidman6148 i agree with you honestly. it seems like a trend from the left that they just don't want to open their minds and that's why we are divided as a nation because of people's unwillingness to learn.
Thanks, Ana actually sounded like a conservation and not a progressive liberal, and ben actually sounded like a progressive, wow ...
It's great to see 2 people with different political beliefs can have a normal, educated conversation.
It's great that you two did this series. Agree to disagree on things... we at least need to be able to have discussions based in reality.
@Andrea West And Ana agreed to do it seeing what was going
Not sure how you can say today is better than the 80s. The 80s were the height of US economic and citizen success. People could actually buy a decent house and afford a descent education. Now it’s ridiculous and all these broke people arguing to keep it going while they rent their mom’s basement.
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What he said.
The Chips Act is an incredible name for legislation
Mmm, chips 😋
Ben Shapiro isn't getting it. People spent a lower percentage of earnings on stuff because stuff lasted longer.
What an intelligent conversation this has been. Thank you.
By her
By Ana
@@claytonbrown7120no 😂
@@JonJones1776 Yeah
Ana is slowly waking up to the reality of things...
A and ban is using made in china
Man, Shapiro needs to limit the Red Bull consumption to two cases per day. Slow down son.
Ana, when Ana's talking about what she wants (and incidentally, that translates as, none of the b/s). kills it. In these times she's a brilliant voice for Progressive values.
Please do many more of these types of debates.
Whenever she talks to Shapiro you can tell she is learning something new
For sure!
I'm a boardgame publisher that has had to outsource to China in the past, and this issue continues to weigh heavily on me. Just this month I reached out to at least 10 different printers in my state, many with industrial-grade off-set CMYK printing capabilities. Absolutely not a single one would consider making my company's latest boardgame. I asked why, and the excuses were startling--most didn't know how, or were more comfortable sticking with easier printing projects, like flyers or mailers. Ten printers...and I could not even get a single quote!
That’s crazy, they don’t even want to give it a shot?
@@dougs5406 Correct, and I've pushed them on the matter many times.
Fascinating conversation. Ana’s view on Tarriffs is correct. We unfortunately have a race to the bottom of wages, products and outsourcing versus increase wages, better products and made in America.
Tariffs are a tax on ones own citizen
Right. Especially when Ben says labor costs were too high like what pos lmao
EXCELLENT I LOVE IT WHEN THESE CONVERSATIONS HAPPEN
Ben Shapiro, does talk 1.5* speed
Ana is finally starting to see the light!
I love the fact that they can have a decent, polite conversation even though they strongly disagree! Kudos to both of them
I have an old hand drill, I got from my great grand fathers tool chest. Made in USA in 1913 (110 years old). Sprayed some WD-40 on it, and it works like a dream.
I love this debate. I'm impressed with both of them. I wish they were like this individually. Both of you, be this way when you are by yourselves talking into the camera. When alone Ben will come up with some really crazy ideas, and Ana, when alone is usually way to theatrical and vapid.
They are both awesome in this debate. There are areas where Ben is very knowledgeable and logical and Ana makes some great points. I don't think Ben understands the 1980 standard of living. Yes, individual items cost more in real wages, but you didn't buy as much so you still had money left over. How much do people have once they are done buying the essentials was way more in 1980 than it is now and I don't think been understands that. Ana's point about quality from the 1950's is spot on and I think that blew right by Ben. I think Ana is trying to walk a tightrope between wanting quality products made in the USA and not alluding to the fact that frivolous unionization is a definite blocker for that. She needs to let go of the idea that unions are going to solve anything in general. They can't. Yes, in certain companies and maybe even industries, unions can play a valuable role, but for the most part, they are just another layer of bureaucracy that negates the individual worker and slows everything down. Ana also has not come to terms with the fact that china has to be told to stay in it's corner. It has to be made to feel very uncomfortable thinking about taking anymore ground from anyone else. That's essential. How do you do that in a nice way. I wish I knew, maybe she has some insight on that.
Ben is saying that what has to be done in the future is hard and is not going to be exactly the way we want it to be and Ana wants to have her cake and eat it too, which I understand, we all do, however, economics doesn't work that way, we can't force an economy all we can do is guide it. The moment she said she would go the tariff rout, I had to shake my head, that is a criticism I had about Trump and she's right there with him trying to artificially punish the ones who can produce what people want for the price they want.
I would say that, in this debate, I identify the most I ever have with Ana. I am a minimalist, I do not put value in things, I try to do what is the most compassionate for the other person and we need to be able to cover the essentials with less income than it takes now. The average person should be able to support a family on one wage. Unions aren't going to do that and division of labor may have made that impossible. Ben is a hardliner, probably more of a realist and is willing to go through the pain to get to the goal which is disentangling with China to the extent we can.
Despite the comment section mostly taking sides, this particular conversation was good, beneficial. It seems like where they were in agreement they put aside ego and politics to explore commonalities in their understandings of the world as it is. Perhaps the mechanisms to achieve their shared outcomes differ but the important, and often lost point, is that the goal in this case was ultimately agreed upon. Nice to see these two playing together instead of lobbing grenades at one another.
It’s so interesting how the conservative is more progressive (loves new tech and consumerist upgrades in tech) and the progressive is more in favor of traditional ways of life.
Say whaaaat...? You were not paying enough attention to what Ana is saying about quality. Or you just don't understand what she means, which would be sad.
@@gabejohnston1556 yeah she said that she buys stuff from the 50s and 60s because back then workers were treated better
@@chickenwarrior3067 That's not what she said. She said it was better product.
Ana has her heart in the right place. That being "the truth". And i'm going to support her as she goes through whatever tumult assuages her so she can end up at "the truth". That truth changes over time as we gain more knowledge, perspective and experience.
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The truth never changes. Your perception of what's true does.
@@dhLotanbut unless we're talking faith or religion which im not, anything else referring to the word truth, well in terms of politics, what that person's definition of truth, your definition for example might be different. but as people, you don't really change who are you, but you can learn and grow, adopt new things, maybe have a different perspective on something you might've thought once before, you might feel a little different about it now.
what i see, and i don't like making assumptions of people, i don't watch TYT that much,
but i know enough about politics.
And when i look Ana, i see progressive, but i also see liberal, and maybe a tiny percent of moderate.
but if i were a betting man, and you ask me if she'd ever go right, i would say no. but i can tell she doesn't sound as progressive or as left,
at most i think she's a liberal at heart, but it's still the left.
shes changed for the better
I really like that these guys got together !
I am very right leaning and thank God for people like Ana. A good example that we Americans must have healthy debates but at the end of the day let's all row the boat in the same direction.
" Im very right leaning ", humorous way of saying you lack a functioning brain.
Bet u blame the minorities for every lil inconveniences as well.
He’s so close to getting the point… he’s right there
The reason Japan out-produced the US is because Japan couldn't produce military weaponry as part of the treaty signed. All of the manufacturing power they had went into making products like cars. The US maintained its enormous military industrial complex, even expanding it. Had the US put more emphasis on manufacturing goods instead of military weaponry, it wouldn't have seen the crumbling of American manufacturing in the Midwest.
Are the Japanese cars manufactured by the Japanese government or was it put together by business man?
@@jimmy11112 it doesn't matter. The infrastructure was there, so all of the labor, materials, and machinery used to make tanks, bombs, and guns was transitioned to making cars and electronics.
@@nevergiveupnevergivein7655 ohh so all the infrastructure was there. Did the government use these infrastructure to build up car manufacturers or did they sell the infrastructure to business owners?
@@jimmy11112 it was a transition. You are missing the point that I made.
Japan was enabled to become an economic super power by being able to focus all of the manufacturing capability on cars and electronics. Part of the treaty that Japan signed stated that the US would be the military protector of Japan. It had significant capability in manufacturing for war, which meant that post-WWII, Japan had significant capability in manufacturing for consumer goods. Cars were mass produced and the energy crisis of the US meant that people were looking for cars that had better gas mileage than the big sedans of the 50s and 60s. US auto makers were far too slow to adjust. Japanese automakers filled the void. US automakers tried to keep up by making vehicles with less labor cost by outsourcing labor to Mexico. These are the things that resulted in the manufacturing cities of the US going into steep decline.
@@nevergiveupnevergivein7655 ohh okay. Let's stop protecting Japan! So we can focus on our own manufacturing
Thanks for this. Nice!
Holy Guacamole! I didn't know you guys got to interview him! WOW, wonder if he'd ever do that again! Would love it, thanks guys!
I’m glad you guys can converse.
Spend on quality items that are going to last than cheap products. BASED ANA!
"Without the left and right coming together there is no middle path" - Buddha
Yeah buda wasn't talking about politics.
True but no middle path to agree on becoz Trump's Nature forces things to be at loggerheads lol
Its all about that God man centre!
Hm m m m m * Trump in office next cycle means revenge on Ukraine n every country taking sides n also global space and satellite battle upfront pfft
@@SionynJones yea? he was talking abt arguments in general so it includes politics becoz bigger disagreements r macrocosms of the little realities of life like for e.g., bread and butter scarcity becoz of unequal trade agreements that favour exporters and vice versa * get it get it pls get it lol
I remember back in the days when I was in college to rent a 500 hundreds some feet studio in downtown Philly for $25 dollars per week with everything included.
Totally agree with you Anna. A choice between quality and quality then I choose the later.
*I have a great idea, let’s all fight in the comments!*
😃
Wow you're stupid
Fight fight fight!
I would take a home over Amazon prime any day of the week.
Good on Ben Shapiro, good on Ana Kasparian and good on TYT for this.
This is what we need to fix things. Much much mkre, but this is a start.
What a joy to watch such dissimilar minded people discussing in a civilized way.
That's because it's Shapiro's Sunday special. He is always civil with his guests regardless of who they are.
Nobody takes work as seriously anymore every time I order food in the drive thru my order is wrong. Made in the USA sounds good but who’s going to bring quality people back?
Maybe the kid at the drive thru hates you for being such an insufferable prick
@@SeaCowsBeatLobsters sounds like an incompetent kid of yours
its a job interview!! Now I get it!
Good on Ana.
Anna is spot on per usual ... and Toyota didn't only become so popular because they were cheaper, they had far more quality than most competitors and lastet much longer without any problems. I haven't quite figured out who's voice Ben Sharpio is trying to imitate? 🙂
It doesn’t matter which political view you fall under. This is so healthy for political discourse these two people have very different views but they sat down and had a polite discussion about they’re disagreements
@@BriFiConnections oh I know but it’s still nice to see a somewhat friendly disagreement that doesn’t end with some calling some a bigot or homophobe
@@BriFiConnections if you actually watch TYT in it’s long form, you’d see how she actually has a lot of nuanced opinions and perspectives, and often defends people like Ben Shapiro when they make a point she agrees with. She gets justifiably angry with the right wing when they do things that take people’s rights away, like overturning Roe vs Wade, stuff like that. I think when people lose their temper it can show that they genuinely care about the issues they’re talking about. And I don’t think that makes a discussion like this any less genuine.
Clothes aren’t cheaper if you have to constantly replace them. 5:44
I love how they are talking mad shit about each-other and just pretend not to be.
I bought an electric blanket at Walmart for $50. It stopped working within one month.
What about the percentage of working class salaries that are spent on Rent?
Tvs are cheaper now but houses to own and live in are more expensive. I need a house not a TV or smartphone
House? To own? 🤣 funny joke
3:05 Im a right wing person and Ben is wrong on this one, i live in Europe and let me tell you a story 1980 with minimun wage i could rent a house, have a car, eat in restaurants, go out have fun, smoke what ever....
Right now the price of rent of a very small house its equal or above to a minimum wage so people dont even have house anymore they have rooms, people cant have cars they cost to much right now its impossible to live on a minium wage you can only survive, this the cause for people in Europe not having kids or families we are in a economical genocide and no one notices
That’s 1980. Things are very different 40 years later. Minimum wage is awful. I’m telling you no waiters or bartenders or those in service industry will give up tips over a pitiful minimum wage.
You’re bringing home so much more plus you don’t have to declare it all.
Those who push for this have no idea what they’re giving up.
That is 100% wrong. Birthrates in the 80s in Europe were exactly the same as they are now. (Google is your friend)
In Austria where I live, in Germany, etc. industry didnt even leave like in the USA. We didnt lose any manufacturing. Most things are cheaper now than they were back then. Also it is ridiculous to compare cars from the 80s to cars of 2023. 80s cars are piles of junk compared to the hightech monsters you are getting now. Plus we our education is free so we dont even have this increase compared to the US.
The fact is Europeans love to complain and cry but they have it best compared to anywhere else in the world.
Every european could easily afford 2-3 kids. How do you think people afford children in poorer countries???
@@armingleiner5292 Every graph in the world says otherwise, my country went from an average 29.8y old in 80's to 50y in 2020 but i guess you are right... if europe didnt had mass migration we would all be dead countries in fact the mass migration only happens because countries are having problems paying pensions to a massive old population,, just google average age or birth rate
@@hayleyberry3437 I mean you are correct ofc but low birthrates arent because people "cannot afford" children. The reason is culturally children arent the most important thing you can do in life anymore which is really problematic. Also why should old people with no children get any pensions? Thats a big issue. People without or with only 1 child should get punished if we are being serious.
I grew up and lived in Pennsylvania during the 80s and I still remember how low the cost of living was not just in PA but in America.
A lot goods have come and in price (and quality, with the exception perhaps of electronics). But the cost of things like healthcare, and housing/rent have skyrocketed.
The first ever YT video I can watch without cringing. The centrist in me is happy! Love a civilized debate!
Yeah, most the time when I watch YT, it's bad.. like really bad. It's dumb bad... like the mentality of a kid. Not alot of logic mixed with tantrums. Their points are like yikes.. Interesting debate 🤔
1980 had a whole lot more families who could afford to live on one paycheck. With a house, two cars, vacationing not overseas but could kick back every once in a while
That is so true!
Where’s can I find the whole conversation
Daily Wire/Ben Shapiro’s RUclips page. The 2nd half is better
I really feel as though Ben is talking around the actual point. Sure many people love the convenience's of 2023, and may not want to go back to the 1980's, but for the most part people ARE spending more of their income on "cheap goods" because of how cheaply they are constructed, and how often they need to be replaced. HE's actually arguing on the side of the corporations, to allow them to keep making more and more profit, rather than trying to get them to up the quality, and thus save consumers in the long run. Don't prop up the consumer market up with straws and sticks, actually make the foundation sturdy and strong.
That's cuz Ben is a repuke. He's a wolf in a tight Jewish man's suit.
I have so much to say about this. Shapiro brought up American car companies and I can tell you they were incredibly mismanaged through the 1960s and 70s. Part of the uncompetitiveness was due to an onerous social contract between big business, big labor and big government. But management completely misread the competitive marketplace. They were socializing in country clubs and in three martini lunches in downtown high end lunch restaurants.
No one mentioned the labor surplus that was driven primarily by the coming of age of the baby boom generation and women’s movement that led to a rapid rise of women in the paid workforce. This initially created a labor surplus for much of the next four decades. Combine that with outsourcing to much cheaper countries, along with automation (that has always happened) and it leads to a relative stagnation of wages even as worker productivity soared. .
Finally, as the baby boom generation ages out of the workforce and there is some onshoring primarily driven by geopolitical uncertainty, expect the US to be in a relative labor shortage for quite some time. Some argue that AI will make humans obsolete, but I just don’t buy it. Innovation and automation has always existed in the US. In 1820, over 80% of the workforce worked in agriculture. Today it’s less than 2%. And we sure are not an underfed country. And I for one am very glad I don’t dig in the dirt for a living.
@@scottsnyder2726 The labor surplus is THE MOST important thing to mention when you talk about wage stagnation in the US…Prior to the 70’s, the United States had incredible economic growth that went on for over 100 years. In that growth, they had a labor shortage. Wages were high and jobs were plentiful. In fact, it’s the very reason why the US boasts about immigrants and achieving the “American dream”. It’s why so many immigrated in the early 20th century. However, after years of growth, stagnation loomed. Capitalists realized it would be cheaper to outsource, automatize, and hire foreign labor. Millions of Americans were laid off, and were offered much lesser jobs with less pay and no benefits. This, combined with the undoing of The New Deal of the 1930’s really set the tone for low wages in America today…
Thee also opted to create larger cars while the American consumer was looking more toward smaller cars.
In 1989 I was renting one room in the Bronx, New York City for 50 dollars a week. That same room today cost $1,200 if you can find one available. A lot of hard working people are living in motels nowadays 'cos they cannot afford to rent a place.
It's good to know that I can still get by in the world without any newer technology.
Is Ben at x2 speed?
He's always like this and shakes a lot too.
As wages have been fairly stagnant while cost have multiplied, YES most people WOULD be financially better off in the 1980s! Just because YOU can't get the latest iPhone? Good ole narcistic Ben!
And the 1970's pre-Reagan destruction of the working class, we would be significantly better off! And the music rocked!
I love this.
Good discussion, from both sides…
I totally agree with Ana for once !
China best nation .
End of story
Ana, I would totally watch you. You are better than TYT. Why you stay with someone who likes horses? That is beneath you. Wouldn’t you agree?
We began shifting our jobs over there in the 70’s and 80’s!
We were happy to move the plantation “over there”!
We really try not to buy Chinese. . but it's hard
That's OK . I ll buy more made in china . Who's gonna stop me
She's right, the quality of goods are so crappy compared to the 70s and 80s. Everything is built to be disposable today.
u can still buy good quality goods. u just need to spend more money. Just like in the 70's and 80's u would have to spend a bigger portion of ur salary to get those goods. so its not much of a difference. there just more crappy goods now. but there are also more higher quality goods too.
Ana is my hero. props to mr shapiro also, i’ve learned so much about how to talk to people like ben through their debates and conversations. You gotta be able to talk to the other side.
You really have to coddle them and make them feel ok. Once the open dialogue is able to begin, then the opportunity is there to take down the bs as it comes out.
Manufacturing is not a huge employer any more but that would solve supply chain issues and help stabilize our economy.
Back in the days (80s) I bought a three bedroom house on the North side Philadelphia for $10,000 dollars plus $2, 000 I spent in repairs. Today the value of that house is about a few million dollars.
only time I've heard Ben talk in good faith
🤣😂 in good faith? Do you even know what that is?
Genuine question because shapiro is actually really bad at trolling he only talks in good faith. Then you take ana and cenk who's idea of a debate with Dennis prager is having pre cut clips out of context and interrogating the other side while deciding who talks when and for how long.
And they still lost to prager ffs.
Wages for the absolute required basics to live have fallen massively. Yes, we can readily get stuff - stuff that breaks as Ana said - but stuff never the less beyond what we had before but the cost of Rent / Mortgages, Medical, and Education are all so high that the stuff doesn't matter.
We also have to remember that those wages and stuff is heavily taxed by government so that same government can just hand it to the rest of the world.
@@ActualDrunkAtheist Typically that handing to the rest of the world happens in a way that cycles back to US corporations...by way of increasing military purchases, or leveraging control over foreign politics to our corporate interests. They aren't doing it to be good or frivolous - it's because their donors demand it. None of the benefits of that activity cycles back around to the average American though.
I don’t agree with Ben. Bring manufacturing back !
Not agreeing with Ben is a good start
I've done the same for 15 years. I hate buying anything made in sweatshops. Most of everything I own is second hand and made in USA.
Micheal Scott and Oscar Martinez had a better debate on China
I don't like Kasparian but I have a lot of respect for the fact that she accepted to be debating with Ben Shapiro. This allows her to get some points across, and if more liberals accepted to appear on conservative platforms (while conservatives are always keen to debate with liberals, but are often excluded from these platforms) we could reduce the polarization and hopefully work in a more bipartisan way.
Conservatives Only Debate Unprepared High School/College Students Where There's An Obvious Power Imbalance In Terms Of The Pundit Obviously Knowing The Subject/Topic Of Conversation & The Talking Points/Adequate Preparation To Go Along With It, The Difference In Age/Career Path/Experience/Expertise, Etc., They Have The Platform Where Most Rando Students They Debate Won't Have A Streaming Platform & Even If They Did; Don't Have One *_Nearly_* With The Size/Reach Of Daily Wire, Louder W/ Crowder, PragerU, Etc. So They Shape The Narrative & Can Obviously Take Anything Out/Remove Context, Only Use Clips That Make Them Look Good, Etc. If You Really Wanna See Why The Right Refuses To Debate Those Of The Left, Here's A Compilation For Ya That You Can Watch Alllll Of Your Fave Conservatives Getting Owned By The Left, Even Seeing A Super Young Ben Shapiro, Stuttering Through His Points Which Is Quite Odd To See In Comparison To Him Trying To Steamroll Over Everyone With His Talking Points To Appear Smarter Than He Is Lol.
Check It Out;
ruclips.net/video/9jX54vGGFgM/видео.html
Lmk Your Perspective After You Watch. Curious About Your Input On The Video. 😬
Go Liberals! Blue All day!
Sorry, but I do have to call BS on that one. It goes both ways. There are very very few Republicans who will go on the blue shows. Even ones that are fairly impartial like Bill Maher. It’s hard for him to get any conservative voices.
Ben and others love to say how the standard of living and what not is better now than the 80s but conveniently forget the cost of housing. That is the most important and only issue! It doesn't matter that TVs are cheaper or smartphones exist if most people can't afford a home to have them in. Yeah I can buy a flat screen TV for $300 but why does that matter if rent is $1200? Or if a house costs $300,000? It's insane that they ignore it and it's insane that we created a system where houses are treated as investments rather than something people need. My parents bought their 2.5 acres and a farmhouse for $15,000 in 1976. They built a new 2200 sq ft house in 1989 for $70,000. Now they could sell it all for $250,000, and we're in rural Indiana so that's not even the extreme cases! You plug those number into the inflation calculator and they more than doubled their "investment" vs inflation. Housing prices is the key problem of many of our country's issues.
You only need to have a full-time job that makes $20-25/hour to afford a $250k home. That same job would have been $10/hour back in 1976. You’ll be fine :)
@@SalvationThroughChristAlone Rich (no pun intended) sarcasm.
Don’t overlook the other costs associated with overt consumerism; the tax on the planet, endangered species and climate.
Ben and Ana are good friends. Good to see
People with opposing views don't have to be enemies.
Bravo Anna.
*Ana
Ana I know this has mostly been a civil debate but how come you didn't bring up the point that you can't measure economic growth just based on the stock market alone? That's mostly the higher ups economy not us
Absolutely. The economy of capital and the economy of people are increasingly seperate.
Based Nationalist Ana.
Love her ♥️
I do love that we are United about china. We are a proud free people let’s disagree but not lose sight of that and never fail in our willingness to stand up for those core beliefs we all share
This was a really great conversation. I just wish that Ana had been a bit more assertive on certain issues, particularly the issue of abortion which didn't come up a singe time in the entire full-length conversation.
Ana's playing dirty pool. How's poor Ben supposed to think straight with her flashing those legs? 😍
Leftists intersectionationality with coomers is the most difficult part in trying to talk politics with them.
I was hoping for a civilised debate. But this is more of "I was paying attention in undergrad modern history class" back and forth. Both of them have more interesting opinions than they're letting on here. And they're not actually talking about all the related issues of purposeful living and the environmental consequences of planned obsolescence, and all the fallout from our apparent material wealth, all the psychological damage of our consumer culture, and the massive social inequalities.
So many missed opportunities to actually talk about important things.
Great point about planned obsolescence.
The one good thing I saw was that Shapiro was totally different than when I’ve watched his other videos where he is talking only to his audience.
@@Actongue yeah, it's amazing how politeness takes over. Even a moderator is enough to wreck it. Jordan Peterson and Stephen Fry have a great long conversation you can find, and neither of them is my favourite person.
I love these convo clips, Ana. Excellent leadership! Conversations of substance like this are so needed.
Outsourcing was the beginning of the end of America. Greed is evil. How long will it take to figure that out? Cheap labor isn't skilled. Skilled labor isn't cheap. Wake up.
domestic labor isn't necessary superior either.
china would been in position they are is they didn't have skilled labor.
in fact china has high school graduates in their workforce than the US has people in their country with nearly 60% having at least some college...
you say wake up, but maybe your the one that asleep, i agree with the first half, the second half is misguided at best.
Hey look, we have an open channel. I am glad to see people properly using favor and knowledge for the people. Not a particular person or clan. This is how things used to get done until we allowed toxic people, the honor and responsibility of power. Too much power for grifters or nepotists who have always had mulligan's their whole lives. People who have real power, actually use it to help as many people as possible. And NO, corporations don't qualify as a person in this true life experience. Only hooomans! Sounds like you both care, and seem to contrast each other well. Thanks, that was good.
I love Ana. She's so real. That's hard to find.
She's the perfect example why I went to an Asian country to find a peaceful wife to be around.
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