I find wild that we talk so much about the British empire and whatever remains of it but until very recently I -and I think a lot of people- wasn’t aware France still has a considerable empire and economic control of many of its former colonies
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law. @@Nat-uw4fs
@@TripleAAA787 yeah, I’m a South American Spanish speaker so I was somehow aware. But what I meant was France still has a lot of significant overseas territories. They held on to so many islands they have the largest exclusive economic zone
If mayotte is a part of France it needs to be treated as such. Mainland france needs to make the necessary infrastructure and border security investments into the island for it to function well
It’s kinda illegal to sink the boats full of migrants like Normandy. International law says they should be parked in the nearest safe port, thus they arrived and apply for refugee status.
The thing is I think we care less and less about our previous colonies. Also about the police presence, I think it is good to reestablish the order, the police is not against the citizens acting correctly in the island, and that must be understood
France has no idea how to adress the issue. You would need an insane amount of border patrol, something not easily attainable. Mayotte has 8 times the wealth per inhabitants as the Comores and they are at spitting distance from one another (100km at sea, a big part of which is territorial waters of the two countries).
@TheLokiel The thing is even in France itself we have to deal with insecurity, and we just cannot deal if every french island would go high on crime rates
I am pretty pessimistic on this issue. Comoros is one of the poorest nations on Earth, an autocratic regime and oppressive islamist police state. This won't change anytime soon. And as long as this is the case, migrants will embark to Mayotte in search for a better life. But at the same time, Comoros never accepted the results of the referendum in Mayotte and still claim it as part of Comoros, and as such, they have no incentive to stop the flow of migrants fleeing their country, because in their eyes, the more foreign the population of Mayotte becomes, the more legitimate their claim is. So the situation will keep getting worse. I don't see any issue bar extreme solutions, such as a naval blockade of Comoros (Or even straight up war) , or on the other end, the complete loss of Mayotte for France. It's a lose-lose situation.
@lif6737 Inhabitants of Mayotte don't want to. They know very well that French subsidizes give them standards of living far above other countries of the region (Comoros and Madagascar cheif among them). Leaving a developped nation to join one of the poorest countries on Earth isn't exactly a wonderful opportunity.
@lif6737the indigenous population is strongly opposed to this. Hence why they are voting for Marine Le Pen. This is a similar case to the falklands but with the added issue of illegal migration. Borders ultimately need to be decided by self determination and not geographic proximity. Hence why Gibraltar should remain with England and Ceuta and Melilla should remain with Spain.
I don't know about the political arrangement between Mayotte and France, but it sounds like the French government should starting funding infrastructure projects on the island.
No they'll just do one of two things with it. 1. They'll strip their natural resources while making sure it always has corrupt local leadership so they can't revolt. 2. If they have no natural resources they probably have a geo strategic value where they'll use that to their advantage. Making the lives of the people they are brutally occupying is never an option for the French regimes.
It's a part of France like Hawaii is part of the US. Tho it sounds like it's the West Virginia of France and even then you don't see the federal government helping West Virginia 😂
"you don't see the federal government helping West Virginia" Congratulations! You won the globally dumbest comment on the internet on this day. You must be so proud.
Yes, @TLDRnewsGLOBAL , are you sure that's not an annual figure? Population is only 270k; that's 40 tonnes per person! Or might it be 11 million kilos?
Fun fact: The NUTS region covering Mayotte (FRY5) is the only one in the EU where foreigners make a majority of the population. In the NUTS region covering Luxembourg (LU0), foreigners make up just below half of the population, but that figure doesn't factor in the more than 100,000 foreigners who commute into Luxembourg for work from neighbouring countries. So in practice, most people who are present in Luxembourg at any given time are foreigners.
Yeah because we, from France, only go work in Luxembourg because the wages starts at 2.2k after taxes but is only 1.4k before taxes. More benefits too, so why slave away in France
Arab nationalism, something that never worked but Arabs never get disenchanted. It always amuses me. The muslims need to build some local pride, not just the saudi-mecca pride. I highly doubt this will happen though.
"The people are retarded." That's why democracy rarely works, because the majority don't know what's good for them. Just look at us in America why thought a geriatric old man was a better choice than Trump because "no mean tweets."
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law.
Eu is not important. Euros are slave owners, they grape little black girls that are 9 years and younger. How many black girls infants girls do you have in your basement?
This Island needs to have water reservoir. The population needs to be in Apartment Skyrises. Better logistics environment for Island solves shortages of Necessities.
I mean, there has been a huge surge of immigration there over the last few years, the slums are growing day by day, ofc it will lead to problems. Europe's incompetence to deal with immigration is clear even in their overseas territories...
Sounds kinda dumb, I know, but I was really excited about learning of a new place like Mayotte, I didn't know there were any major islands between the African mainland and Madagascar. The downside of growing older is that fewer and fewer things are new to you as you grow in knowledge.
@@gideonmele1556 Not according to the UN and ICJ (the UN's court). Who still maintain that it is part of Comoros according to international law. The UN and the ICJ doesn't recognize have issued 20 resolutions and 7 judgements against it and re-affirming this. All ignored. So it's considered occupied territory.
The average income in Mayotte is 11,000 Euro,, which is vastly greater than nearby African countries. The people of Mayotte are poor by French standards but quite wealthy by the local standards.
Not really, because they have to pay french prices for goods because they use euros. Buying milk would be 2× the cost of mainland France (at least) and probably, in real terms, something like 10× it would in Mozambique. Dont look blindly at the numbers. Otherwise you would think tge average inhabitant of Qatar is rich. When in reality, it would be an immigrant from the Indian subcontinent paid a slaves wage.
It doesnt look close to a integral part of france, even corsica has a gdp per capita of 30k dollars. France should have cared more for the island, the easiest way to improve living is to lower the birth rate to about 2 children, invest in education and modern industry and services, it will come to pay france back when tourism is booming.
Overseas territories don’t exist as a legal category since 2003. That’s why there were obviously talking not about the legal concept but as a colloquial term.
@@christiantripepi9909 legally it is. Mayotte has its own laws on some matters until 2010 and after a local referendum has now begun a process to transfer legislative powers back to the mainland. And again, people saying « why doesn’t France develop Mayotte » really don’t know what they are talking about. Mayotte is very hard to develop, between illegal immigration, violence, … a year back, gangs cut a child’s hand in a schoolbus. Half of the inhabitants are illegals. More than half of the water put in the distribution system is stolen. I once saw a group of shanties stealing electricity from a high voltage line with jumper cables…
Mayotte is desperately being swarmed by people from the comoros who realise that the other islands made the wrong choice to become independent in 1975. Mayotte remained French and now over 50% of new births in mayotte are from comorotiens trying to undo their ancestors mistake and have children born French.
Reduce the influence of Wagner and China in Africa, reduce electricity production with the help of nuclear and control the economies of African countries and promote their interests.
i understand what their doing even if I don't approve why would you want your children to be born in the Comoros when they could be born in France ( Mayotte) even the poorest of France's territories much be significantly better.
@@Jabari20-wh2skbro, I dislike Fr*nce as much as everyone else, but let’s be real. France is one of the wealthiest countries on the planet. Mayotte would be FAR worse off if it had chosen independence with Comoros. I mean just look at Comoros or Madagascar today, they aren’t doing the best.
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law.
It's ironic that Comoros voted to leave France but then people from Comoros emigrated to Mayotte to try and be in French territory again. If the situation in Comoros is making so many people want to leave for French Department I wonder if they regret their decision to leave in the first place.
@@S1eth There are likely immigrants who weren't even born yet when that happened. It's ironic because they might be feeling their predecessors made the wrong choice. It doesn't need to be direct.
@@alejandromaldonado6159 You had to. Your presence would've become an existential threat to yourself. Nobody invited the Europeans to Africa in the first place , but you came in and robbed the place nonetheless, and are now complaining the Africans are doing the same thing you did. The only difference is that they are peaceful about it. The fact remains , no European state has the numbers to hold a territory in Africa, consequently, they can't defend it so far from Europe.
Those islands should be abandoned now,cause there is no space nor materials on the island for a normal life.At best those islands could be some expensive tropical resort or something
Seems a lot of people in the comments are wanting to ignore the people of Mayotte's right to self-determination. More should be done to stem the tide of illegal immigration from the Comoros and funding for actual infrastructure should be set aside.
Funding for infrastructure was already set aside when this video was made. In fact any were already completed and others are in the making. TLDR knows it. This video is totally biased (title including). Immigration is another story. Comoros government refuses to let the French boats with their migrants to land in the Comoros. This is hybrid warfare from the Comoros. They highly encourage these migrants. They openly said they want to get Mayotte in the Comoros.
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law.
So what? They're going to a place that has been made artificially richer than the rest of the Comoros by French presence and investment. It's perfectly rational and logical. They don't go there because they particularly like France or "feel French". @@ingi1095
@@Terraideryes. But their only way to live in peace is to send their desperate people away. How would they keep peace in the Comoros when they will get Mayotte back? And how do you expect the Mayotte native population to enjoy the Comoros ruling when they were attacked by them via hybrid warfare? They will send their desperate people to mainland France? And you want me to believe they are able to manage their own people's economy? By the way Algeria does the same. They are totally corrupt and unable to make a living for their people. So they send all they cannot employ away.
Definitely. Very dangerous places for sure in Paris. And the scary part of it is that gangsters have their own "zones" and those zones sometimes overlap with totally normal tourist destinations. It is also very clear in Paris who is who, I've never seen caucasian gangsters in Paris.
60+ year gap between these 2 events, the people who voted for that arent necessarily the people even being effected by it today. Extremely reductive take.
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law.
i would do the same France kept looting africa for centuries and left africans with a big nothing if an african wishes to live in France they should if you dont want any african immigrants then France should give an actual independence to Former colonies and current colonies
Yea they dare. Every one dares. That's how it's always been because that's the survival mechanism when you don't know who'll survive. But it could also be an issue with the immigration they're having. It could be the people moving there from such circumstances. With very little in the way of contraceptives, money ect.
@@DSan-kl2ycexcept they know their children will not die for the vast majority. The only difference is they do not care if they could pay for the education of their children. Because they don't need education to survive. The whole system is based on corruption, no technical skill is required. The issue nowadays is not if one of your children will survive childhood. If you cannot feed them you call the NGOs. I mean people say the lack of development comes from not sharing the revenues from the mines and oil. Mind in Europe until recently these revenues were never shared with the population. In fact liberals argue this is this concentration of capital that enables us to fund industries by the private sector.
A dedicated desalination and waste management system being built and funded as well as a continued surged gendarmerie presence would restabilize this region.
I do not understand why France bothers with its small island rump colonialism. But at least Reunion and the silly little islands in the Caribbean, Guyana and the Pacific sort of pay their way and are full of people who actually speak French. St Pierre and Miquelon might have oil and fisb. Tahiti has nice weather I guess. Two-thirds of Mayotte doesn't even speak basic French. It's 97% Islamic and is the subject of an active territorial claim by the Comoros Islands - broadly supported by the African Union. Why keep it?
Cause it's a department an integral part of France first second a nation doesn't abandon a piece for racist and xenophobic reasons and third an island mean more EEZ and potentially ressources
@@houssedecouette4056 The French did exactly that to Haiti and West Africa. Australia did it to PNG. The Malaysians did it to Singapore. The Americans did it to the Phillipines. Pakistan more or less did it to Bangladesh, with a side dish of genocide.
I think there is a moral dilemma of leaving behind the people of Mayotte who desire to remain French. Who knows how the comorians will treat them. As collaborators most likely.
@@SP-rt4ig It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law.
They already did. A second one is in the making. This video is politically oriented. They want us to believe there is no investment from the government.
it's been happening for years. The only industry on Comoros is building boats to get to Mayotte... once they're there illiterate, undocumented migrants with few skills and little to offer society live in total poverty in shanty towns that are run by gangs who often fight each other for control. Same will start to happen to parts of mainland spain and italy soon.
@@laiphone8972because slave owners don’t like to know about the damage they cause, question, how many black infant girls do you have in your basement, graping them for your pleasure?
Me neither. I knew the situation was bad there, but the violences of the last few days depicted here didn't make the news in the mainstream media at all. It's been all about Israel and Ukraine...
I didn't know the Comoros used to be just "Comoro" without the S. Also interesting is the New York Times clip about its independence from France reads "moslem" instead of muslim. Wonder when exactly the current spelling was adopted?
Les Africains peuvent venir à l'école en Europe de l'Est, les écoles sont gratuites, les soins de santé sont gratuits, en Europe de l'Est nous avons le taux de chômage le plus bas, les magasins sont ouverts le dimanche, vous pouvez gagner de l'argent supplémentaire le week-end. Europe de l'Est, les pays Intermarium ont besoin de travailleurs pour usines dans l'industrie, la transformation, pour la construction d'autoroutes, de circulation routière, de trottoirs, d'infrastructures
Well if you are talking about Africa it is because France colonised landlocked countries with very little natural resources whereas British colonised less but much more geographically important ones, next to key rivers and ports etc.
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law.
I love it when Left-Wing publications will casually admit that high/ unwanted immgiration is a problem to countires everywhere else in the world, but in western countries it is perfect and causes no problems.
These guys have never been shy about discussing immigration in continental Europe though. The topic has been consistently brought up in Tories related discussion and also have discussed it extensively in their Podcasts.
LoL 2 archipelagos one got independence one not, the one that got independence (Comoros) went to shit and Mayotte was relatively ok. Now all the people that got independence are trying to move to the colony and throwing fits because they aren't treated with the same benefits of those that have voted to remain part of France. Now they move in the hundreds of thousands to colony of Mayotte and are making the place a mess like their independent country yet they still blame the french. 😂
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law.
Mayotte is a part of France and of the European Union. So why not put the video about it on the TLDR EU channel instead? Are some parts of the EU "more European" than others?
It's part of Africa not part of Europe they need to abandon it so all the illegals leave then they will have enough water due to all the ones wanting to freeload of france moving some where else.
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law.
How is this a Global video and not an EU one? Like, seriously this would be pretty similar to Lampedusa, the Canaries or Melilla having riots because neighboring African nationals immigrate irregularly... Mayotte is as France as Paris or Marseille and as EU as Brussels or Munich. They are in other continent, but also are the Italian and Spanish Islands aforementioned, and recently those topics were covered in the other channel.
@@corentinvillereal6975 that’s false. Mayotte is under « legislative identity » which means that french laws apply there in the exact same way they apply in Paris. Laws can be adapted in Mayotte (in all french oversea territories really) to fit local realities but that’s actually true for all of France. Oversea territories only really benefit from a special mean of temporary devolution of legislative power to local authorities but for all of oversea territories this power has only been used once successfully in 20 years.
The French govt needs to stop this neglect and systemically start tackling infrastructure building: Desalination plants could help in water scarcity management; Construction of means of livelihood in form of a port on the island;
The French govt already does. Projects are already built but the number of new migrants and the drought combined... This video is totally partial when not making things up. This hybrid war from the other Comori islands. Nothing to do with social unrest. I also highly doubt corruption had anything to do with the problems of Mayotte. Stealing money does not deplete reservoirs. Them not stealing would not have avoided the problem as this money was not meant to build new reservoirs. And as far as I know this is not a widespread issue in Mayotte. You do not have to bribe bureaucrats for anything.
You misunderstood. The migrants are way mostly underage. Because France cannot expel underage. To my knowledge Mayotte already has a port. Also note that the underage migrants have free French studies. And I believe as they are isolated minors they also have money to leave and eat. And Mayotte is very small. There is no way the 230000 migrants can work in farms or the few industries that Mayotte has. This simply makes no sense. And they can only be employed following French law. This means minimum wages and half the salary has taxes. This is a lot of money for the bosses. Also they have no skills or any education. They cannot be employed in jobs that require these. What do you want to employ them for ? And there are infrastructures in. Mayotte and even new ones are already under construction. TLDR should have known better. This video is totally partial and also makes things up. The civil war is about ancient Mayotte people fighting back the migrant communities that attack them. In some way this is no civil war at all. This is an hybrid war between Mayotte and the Comoros that want to push France out of Mayotte.
The water around them is salt water. You can't drink it. You 'sweet' water. Simply water that has a low salt ratio. You usualy get it from rivers, lakes, rainfall, ground water or smelting snow. Islands always had a short water supply
@@Frammdoeveryone knows you can’t drink saltwater, but islands usually have very healthy ground water supplies, because the island itself acts as a filter. Rise in sea level from climate change has put strain on ground water supply though
France should just grant them independence. They offer no value to the French and quite the opposite in fact. I don't think that state would survive if it wasnt for Frances subsidies. Give them independence and let them handle their own problems.
Grant them independence? What if the people do not want your gift of independence? What then? You want to cut them of? Kick them out? Distance yourself from your own citizens?
But they don't want independence. :D They want to be part of France, even though they are Muslim few thousand kilometres from Paris, and they are furious that the French government did not do more to protect them from illegal immigration. If there are riots then either illegal immigrants are rioting or local population is rioting against illegal immigrants. :P If there will be a civil war, it will not be against French government but it will be between those who has French citizenship vs those who has not. ;p You are a German right? Imagine that Ruegen is overwhelm by illegal immigration and German inhabitants of Ruegen suffer due to that illegal immigration. Your solutions is like "Give Ruegen independence" even though nobody wants it there.
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law. @@JanBruunAndersen
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law.
Due to the channel's habit of getting things wrong, particularly when dealing with topics like this, along with my ignorance on this, I'm not gonna risking "liking" the video, instead, you get this comment as promotion. 👍
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law.
Since independence from France, the Comoros experienced more than 20 coups or attempted coups. - BBC 2008 If your neighbor is an unstable police state, don't be surprised when people flee to your country. Mass immigration is only a symptom of a bigger problem.
If people of Comoros want to be French citizens then they should simply run a political movement in Comoros to merge with Mayotte, organise referendum to do so & if successful send an application to Mayotte & France to approve it. It's not right for people from Comoros to flood Mayotte to reap any benefits they get from being part of France when Mayotte chose to stay with France whereas Comoros islands chose to leave.
bro in the last 30 years the global population has risen by 2 billion it took over 100 years for the global population to go from 1 billion to 2 billion during the industrial revolution its not sustainable for europeans to prop up a population boom in africa or anywhere else
@@YouYou-sm8tfare you from Mayotte? You tell our government... At the same time was there a government in Mayotte back in the sixties? Your comment makes no sense to me.
@@prahalb No I’m not from Mayotte. Mayotte was a colony and our stupid gouvernement didn’t repair their colonialism mistake by forming Mayotte own gouvernement and helping them to build some infrastructures and give them their independance.
@@YouYou-sm8tf you mean your government that is unable to feed the hundreds of thousands of people pushing them to go to Mayotte could have helped build any kind of infrastructure anywhere? Why didn't they feed these people in the first place? These infrastructures were built but were insufficient thanks to your people coming... Others are in the making and not thanks to your government or any money of yours. Start by feeding your citizens before critiquizing others. I believe they love their country and want to stay.
@@prahalb I’m french. My french gouvernement and our politicians are the biggest problem. They made decision that didn’t benefit french from metropole nor mayorais nor comorians. We should have never take Mayotte as a french department, it was one of the foolish decision that Sarkozy made and our stupid gouvernement should’ve used common sense and anticipate such decision will lead to more trouble. "These infrastructures were built but were insufficient thanks to your people coming" How? And who were coming? Why don’t Mayotte just spendmore ressources to protect their border/sea from illegals first, then restrict legal immigrants based on its ability and ressources they have. I have no problems with Mayotte protecting their lands from invasion, Comorians should accept Mayotte don’t belong to them but to mayorais...and french gouvernement should mind his own business and give independance to Mayotte.
That's like asking if some county in England has any strategic value for England. It's part of France and the people there see themselves as French. It's not a matter of strategic importance
I'm not an expert, but from what I know, France still holds on to these territories partly because of resources (the French EEZ spans almost all continents), but mainly because these territories don't want to leave France. In the video they say people from the Comores are migrating to Mayotte. The Comores used to be French, but chose indipendence. It's hard to be a prosperous country when you're just a collection of islands with very few resources. By being part of France, these territories can insure their survival and, despite the difficulties, French overseas territories tend to have higher living standards than neighbouring countries (ex. look at how developed Tahiti is compared to other countries in Polynesia). I think that France is more important to Mayotte than the other way around.
It's highly unpopular in metropolitan France to be fair, and it's currently the only outersea territory that many french people *really* want to get rid of. The problem is that the locals have french citizenship, so we can't really get rid of them like that.
The water crisis is solvable. Fresh water is lighter than salt water, so the solution is pretty simple: You sail to the Antarctic and fetch a big iceberg. Then you drag it back to a lagoon on the island and run it as far up the beach as possible. Once the iceberg is stuck, you erect a waterproof plastic barrier behind it and wait for the iceberg to start melting. The fresh water will flow to the top of the lagoon where you can start skimming it of and purify it. The you fetch the next iceberg...
@@Hadar1991 Also why would we want to abandon other French people just because their region is a admittedly drag on the economy? It might make sense on a financial level but that would be unnacceptable on any other aspects
@@maxr7527 I am not saying France should or should not do it. I am saying it is basically impossible without: Mayotte inhabitants wanting it or changing French constitution. But if somebody is very realpolitik advocate then Mayotte may seem quite a pain in the back that generates only problems and gives no advantages like Reunion or French Guyana.
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law.
France just doesn't take things seriously. I can understand having an immigration problem on a large landmass like continental Europe with no many borders. But this is a tiny Island. Stopping the immigration should be very easy.
It’s not at all. The landmasses of Mayotte and the Comores are separated by only a 100km of sea. You can see one island from the other when the weather is nice. By the time a boat has leaves the Comore’s territorial waters, french maritime forces don’t have long to detect it (a small boat is difficult to detect, we are talking traditionnal fishing boats here, not aircraft carriers) and intercept it. International maritime law forces France to bring the boat to the nearest port of safety which if in French territorial waters means bringing them to Mayotte where they will try to ask for either a visa or a refugee status.
In fact there is no problem in Mayotte that does not exist in France, the thing is Mayotte is small and they have way more isolated migrant minors than mainland. Also what do you mean by France should leave its territories. France is a composite of territories. Do you mean they should be Isle of France only (in short Paris ? Whose natives were not even Franks put Parisii...) Even water shortage is an issue (not as critical than in Mayotte) in a third of continental France...
It strikes me as irreeposible to frame this as an issue of overpopulation. While population growth has been a factor, it seems lik the main issue is the lack of economic opportunity and infrastructure, pushing its young people to leave to the mainland, as well as neglecting improving the infrastructure for its people
it's overpopulation flooding the area with illegals outside the area when they already were low on water and other food this is why your let everyone into a area fails even rich areas like new york cannot afford to pay for everyone the illegals take housing away from locals increasing prices which is even worse since this area was poor to start with they cannot afford to pay for you and your family/friends they cannot handle freeloaders from outside their Country they want to be treated like kings/queens getting free hand outs and also bring more crime with them.
It is a reflection of overpopulation as someone who lives there. The native Maore people are anti-immigration as they have seen rising violence and lack of resources like water as a direct outcome of an overgrowth in the population.
There is infrastructure only tldr doesn't tell. The migrants are mostly underage and have no skills. Even with fiber high speed internet they cannot be employed. What do you mean by if you have infrastructure everyone has a job... Are you serious? You believe that someone who doesn't know English, basic calculus, and knows no craft of any kind is employed just because there are infrastructures (which there are and more is in the making) ? The XIXe time when there is unlimited unskilled work in the coal mines is long gone. Economic opportunity to do what ... Farming on a small overpopulated island ? Frankly if you have an idea of a business that could employ most of them share it. We need such a clue.
3:50 in the interests of impartiality, i think you needed to include the views of the international community and UN’s continued votes in favour of resolving that French possession of Mayotte is illegal under internal law and in violation of UN resolution 1514. Precisely because that is one viewpoint on what is causing the current crisis, with the UN seeing it as a result of France’s cynical desire to retain a possession useful for power projection in africa and as a military base. i understand there’s always stuff that will be cut and which there is not space for, but I would argue this information is important enough to warrant inclusion
You could say the same about Algeria, fighting for independence, got it, educating their children in the hatred of France while coming en masse to France for some reason.
Insane. But maybe the Comoris should be periodically given the right to become French ? I mean why would their grandparents have the rights to decide for them for eternity :-) Pun intended. The Comoris are not pro France even when they migrate to Mayotte. They do so not to be in France but because Comoros is a failure but they would never admit it.
Desalination is extremely expensive and fuel inefficient. I don't think there is a single nation on earth that lives off desalinated water. Maybe an extremely tiny nation which is also mostly a rich tourist destination could do it.
As a French I respect Mayotte's wish to stay French and spit on my Gov for doing nothing about the immigration crisis there, as well as on the mainland!
"We're poor and starving, let's go have 5 kids per family." Why should anyone with less than 5 kids care about these people who make their own mistakes? Would they send me aid if I went and had 5 kids? I doubt it. People make their own mistakes. Sorry it sounds cold, but the premise is sound. Please reply with your best attempts at mental gymnastics to explain why someone like myself working hard to support 1 child must care or give aid to someone who chose to have 5.
It's called being a humanist. And, you can't just say that everyone WANTED those 5 kids... Lots of people don't have access to contraceptions, don't understand basic reproductive mechanics, are sexually violated, etc. Anyway, let me put it this way - even if you only care about your family, if your family needed help and I could provide it I would still help you because I'm a humanist and it's the right thing to do, regardles how little you would care for my family. It's being the better man.
Because the parent made the choice but the 5 children didn’t. That simple. Please reply with your mental gymnastics over how the 5 children chose to be born
@@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462 French government cannot abandon the island even if it really wanted. Mayotte voted to be a fully integrated region of France, so they cannot be just kicked out and abandon. It may be a mistake on the French side to give Mayotte the status of fully integrated region, but now French government has their hands tied up.
Mayotte's mainly black population voted 43% for Le Pen in the first round of the presidential elections, and 59.1% in the second round. Let that sink in for a minute lefties...
Black people aren't a homogenous blob, you need to end your racist rhetoric. Le Pen ran on an anti-immigration platform which those from Comoros see as a problem.
@@Rowlph8888not uninformed. In the context of Africans in mayotte it makes sense as to why theyd dislike high immigration as they feel the impact a lot more than some departments of France. I mean 50% of their population are recent migrants; 55% being under 24.
@@Rowlph8888 The whole developing world is overwhelmingly conservative and clearly on the right of the political spectrum on every subjects, feminism, immigration, homosexuality,, religion etc...they are only voting left in western countries for obvious reasons. You are the one that is uninformed.
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I find wild that we talk so much about the British empire and whatever remains of it but until very recently I -and I think a lot of people- wasn’t aware France still has a considerable empire and economic control of many of its former colonies
So... the people voted to stay French...?
wait till you discover more about France's role in in destabilising its former colonies for economic extraction..20+ coups with french involvement
Spain had a vast empire than the French.
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law. @@Nat-uw4fs
@@TripleAAA787 yeah, I’m a South American Spanish speaker so I was somehow aware. But what I meant was France still has a lot of significant overseas territories. They held on to so many islands they have the largest exclusive economic zone
If mayotte is a part of France it needs to be treated as such. Mainland france needs to make the necessary infrastructure and border security investments into the island for it to function well
It’s kinda illegal to sink the boats full of migrants like Normandy. International law says they should be parked in the nearest safe port, thus they arrived and apply for refugee status.
The thing is I think we care less and less about our previous colonies. Also about the police presence, I think it is good to reestablish the order, the police is not against the citizens acting correctly in the island, and that must be understood
France has no idea how to adress the issue. You would need an insane amount of border patrol, something not easily attainable. Mayotte has 8 times the wealth per inhabitants as the Comores and they are at spitting distance from one another (100km at sea, a big part of which is territorial waters of the two countries).
@TheLokiel The thing is even in France itself we have to deal with insecurity, and we just cannot deal if every french island would go high on crime rates
France's mainland does not have border security either...
I am pretty pessimistic on this issue.
Comoros is one of the poorest nations on Earth, an autocratic regime and oppressive islamist police state. This won't change anytime soon. And as long as this is the case, migrants will embark to Mayotte in search for a better life.
But at the same time, Comoros never accepted the results of the referendum in Mayotte and still claim it as part of Comoros, and as such, they have no incentive to stop the flow of migrants fleeing their country, because in their eyes, the more foreign the population of Mayotte becomes, the more legitimate their claim is.
So the situation will keep getting worse. I don't see any issue bar extreme solutions, such as a naval blockade of Comoros (Or even straight up war) , or on the other end, the complete loss of Mayotte for France.
It's a lose-lose situation.
Mayotte is now a department of France, it can't be separated unless for war
@@houssedecouette4056 It still could if people there wanted to leave. Which is unlikely, but not impossible
@lif6737 The people of Mayotte have repeatedly voted against that idea, since they want nothing to do with the Comoros.
@lif6737 Inhabitants of Mayotte don't want to. They know very well that French subsidizes give them standards of living far above other countries of the region (Comoros and Madagascar cheif among them).
Leaving a developped nation to join one of the poorest countries on Earth isn't exactly a wonderful opportunity.
@lif6737the indigenous population is strongly opposed to this. Hence why they are voting for Marine Le Pen. This is a similar case to the falklands but with the added issue of illegal migration. Borders ultimately need to be decided by self determination and not geographic proximity. Hence why Gibraltar should remain with England and Ceuta and Melilla should remain with Spain.
I don't know about the political arrangement between Mayotte and France, but it sounds like the French government should starting funding infrastructure projects on the island.
No they'll just do one of two things with it.
1. They'll strip their natural resources while making sure it always has corrupt local leadership so they can't revolt.
2. If they have no natural resources they probably have a geo strategic value where they'll use that to their advantage.
Making the lives of the people they are brutally occupying is never an option for the French regimes.
But France would have to do a single good thing, and they can’t have that.
We sure can do something: either give independance to the whole place or sell it, in a way or another, to China.
Dare?
It's a part of France like Hawaii is part of the US. Tho it sounds like it's the West Virginia of France and even then you don't see the federal government helping West Virginia 😂
"you don't see the federal government helping West Virginia" Congratulations! You won the globally dumbest comment on the internet on this day. You must be so proud.
2:12 11 million tons of plastic waste? That’s more than entire US is producing in 3 months
Yes, @TLDRnewsGLOBAL , are you sure that's not an annual figure? Population is only 270k; that's 40 tonnes per person!
Or might it be 11 million kilos?
Environmentalists wildly overestimating amounts of waste/negative externalities? Why I never could imagine such a thing.
@@josephahner3031 more likely just someone with little scientific background confusing tonnes and kilos... 🤷♂
@@josephahner3031why does everything have to be a conspiracy?
Fun fact: The NUTS region covering Mayotte (FRY5) is the only one in the EU where foreigners make a majority of the population.
In the NUTS region covering Luxembourg (LU0), foreigners make up just below half of the population, but that figure doesn't factor in the more than 100,000 foreigners who commute into Luxembourg for work from neighbouring countries. So in practice, most people who are present in Luxembourg at any given time are foreigners.
Yeah because we, from France, only go work in Luxembourg because the wages starts at 2.2k after taxes but is only 1.4k before taxes. More benefits too, so why slave away in France
Nuts
@@d0loressk4ze28But Luxembourg is even more depressing than Belgium. Speaking as a Belgian.
Wow that’s nuts
In Europe?
Thank you for reporting on people who aren’t receiving much international attention.
But why would the inhabitants of the Comoro Islands first vote to leave France, and then illegally immigrate to a nearby French territory?
Arab nationalism, something that never worked but Arabs never get disenchanted. It always amuses me. The muslims need to build some local pride, not just the saudi-mecca pride. I highly doubt this will happen though.
@@007Anukulnot all muslim are arab.
"The people are retarded." That's why democracy rarely works, because the majority don't know what's good for them. Just look at us in America why thought a geriatric old man was a better choice than Trump because "no mean tweets."
because freedom and independance sounds great until you realize it isnt.
France didn't treat its colonies like it does today.
People of Comoros: votes for independence
Also people of Comoros: migrates to French held territories
Noice
Since independence from France, the Comoros experienced more than 20 coups or attempted coups. - BBC 2008
It's a police state, not a democracy moron.
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law.
@@jobloluther who gives a shit? It was like 50 years ago and it's better than letting them be part of a shithole like Comoros.
@@joblolutherthey voted to be France, why should've they been dragged down with Comoros?
@@joblolutherit’s not illegal they want to be in France
this feels like it should be on tldr EU
Eu is not important. Euros are slave owners, they grape little black girls that are 9 years and younger. How many black girls infants girls do you have in your basement?
just as France , they don t really consider Mayotte as part of France
This Island needs to have water reservoir. The population needs to be in Apartment Skyrises. Better logistics environment for Island solves shortages of Necessities.
The problem is huge amounts of immirgration.
I mean, there has been a huge surge of immigration there over the last few years, the slums are growing day by day, ofc it will lead to problems. Europe's incompetence to deal with immigration is clear even in their overseas territories...
Right, blame Europe at every turn, that's real smart and constructive!🤓
Where are you from that has everything so under control then? Nonce
@@foghornfoggyfaceUnder control? I'm in mfking France, I'm talking about the situation around me.
Sounds kinda dumb, I know, but I was really excited about learning of a new place like Mayotte, I didn't know there were any major islands between the African mainland and Madagascar.
The downside of growing older is that fewer and fewer things are new to you as you grow in knowledge.
I had that same feeling when i learned about this place a few years ago 😊
Dont lose hope. Reunion is largely stable, and Mauritius is a wonderful little island.
Do invertebrate biology - there is a lot to discover and powerful new tools. Also, no ethics committee meetings!
More like the more you learn, the more you realise you don’t know anything
@@t.c.4321what about Rodrigues and the Seychelles
Basically there is French/ EU territory next to Africa and if you get to Mayotr you ger into France/ EU
Big yikes for EU border security honestly…
Mayotte isn't part of the Schengen area. They have border controls before going on the plane.
Mayotte is not part of Schengen and don't benefit from the "right of the soil" for nationnality. So no
@@MacristoMayotte wants to stay part of France, there have been plebiscites
@@gideonmele1556 Not according to the UN and ICJ (the UN's court). Who still maintain that it is part of Comoros according to international law.
The UN and the ICJ doesn't recognize have issued 20 resolutions and 7 judgements against it and re-affirming this. All ignored. So it's considered occupied territory.
The average income in Mayotte is 11,000 Euro,, which is vastly greater than nearby African countries. The people of Mayotte are poor by French standards but quite wealthy by the local standards.
Not really, because they have to pay french prices for goods because they use euros. Buying milk would be 2× the cost of mainland France (at least) and probably, in real terms, something like 10× it would in Mozambique. Dont look blindly at the numbers. Otherwise you would think tge average inhabitant of Qatar is rich. When in reality, it would be an immigrant from the Indian subcontinent paid a slaves wage.
What's the point of being part of France if they have to be satisfied with African living standards?
@@t.c.4321there is a reason why nearby countries citizens are moving to Mayotte and it isn’t the bs you typed.
@@t.c.4321if you don’t think there is a whole black market with African goods for cheap idk what to say
@@t.c.4321 Since Comorians go to Mayotte, I guess things must definitely be better there.
Mayotte is an overseas Departement not an overseas Territory, it's an integral part of France
if that was true they would have given it independence
That's Africa. Stop with the silly woke terms that glorify colonialism. France is 1000s ofkilometresaway from Comoros. The French are horrible people.
It doesnt look close to a integral part of france, even corsica has a gdp per capita of 30k dollars. France should have cared more for the island, the easiest way to improve living is to lower the birth rate to about 2 children, invest in education and modern industry and services, it will come to pay france back when tourism is booming.
Overseas territories don’t exist as a legal category since 2003. That’s why there were obviously talking not about the legal concept but as a colloquial term.
@@christiantripepi9909 legally it is. Mayotte has its own laws on some matters until 2010 and after a local referendum has now begun a process to transfer legislative powers back to the mainland.
And again, people saying « why doesn’t France develop Mayotte » really don’t know what they are talking about. Mayotte is very hard to develop, between illegal immigration, violence, … a year back, gangs cut a child’s hand in a schoolbus. Half of the inhabitants are illegals. More than half of the water put in the distribution system is stolen. I once saw a group of shanties stealing electricity from a high voltage line with jumper cables…
5 children per woman! This is not sustainable. What thise people were thinking?
Poor immigrant women
They are thinking of stealing from the french mainlands tax base
The island is 97% Muslim, who reject birth control
They are not thinking 😂
poor people create more children
Mayotte is desperately being swarmed by people from the comoros who realise that the other islands made the wrong choice to become independent in 1975. Mayotte remained French and now over 50% of new births in mayotte are from comorotiens trying to undo their ancestors mistake and have children born French.
if thats true that Mayotte chose to stay loyal and is now richer for it I feel sorry for what it is going though for reasons it does not control.
Reduce the influence of Wagner and China in Africa, reduce electricity production with the help of nuclear and control the economies of African countries and promote their interests.
i understand what their doing even if I don't approve why would you want your children to be born in the Comoros when they could be born in France ( Mayotte) even the poorest of France's territories much be significantly better.
Wait-This island chose to stay part of France instead of independence ?!? why?
@@Jabari20-wh2skbro, I dislike Fr*nce as much as everyone else, but let’s be real. France is one of the wealthiest countries on the planet. Mayotte would be FAR worse off if it had chosen independence with Comoros. I mean just look at Comoros or Madagascar today, they aren’t doing the best.
I just keep hearing "My Aunt" like "political and social unrest of my aunt"
Step one: declare independence from France
Step two: migrate to French territory
Step three: ?
Step three: complain about being neglected by France
step three: wait until you numerically overtake the locals
step four: push for joining Comoros
step five: win the referendum
@riitd1710 step 6: migrate to Reunion island
@@riitd1710 step 6: rinse and repeat
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law.
It's ironic that Comoros voted to leave France but then people from Comoros emigrated to Mayotte to try and be in French territory again. If the situation in Comoros is making so many people want to leave for French Department I wonder if they regret their decision to leave in the first place.
No it's not ironic at all. Unless you can prove that every single emigrant also personally voted to leave France.
They left in the 60s. No one could predict what would happen.
I doubt the people emigrating were old enough or even alive at the time to be able to vote
@@alioshax7797a lot of people predicted it lol
@@S1eth There are likely immigrants who weren't even born yet when that happened. It's ironic because they might be feeling their predecessors made the wrong choice. It doesn't need to be direct.
Comoros leaves France.
Also Comoros: Illegaly migrates to France.
That's literally most of Africa. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
African moment
Africans: white people are racist! We want independence!
Also Africans:can you let us in give us Gibs?
This is why the Europeans shouldn't have ended colonialism
@@alejandromaldonado6159 You had to. Your presence would've become an existential threat to yourself. Nobody invited the Europeans to Africa in the first place , but you came in and robbed the place nonetheless, and are now complaining the Africans are doing the same thing you did. The only difference is that they are peaceful about it. The fact remains , no European state has the numbers to hold a territory in Africa, consequently, they can't defend it so far from Europe.
I think on the 2030’ies when the climate crisis hits hard, it’s time to abandon the island.
Those islands should be abandoned now,cause there is no space nor materials on the island for a normal life.At best those islands could be some expensive tropical resort or something
Seems a lot of people in the comments are wanting to ignore the people of Mayotte's right to self-determination. More should be done to stem the tide of illegal immigration from the Comoros and funding for actual infrastructure should be set aside.
Funding for infrastructure was already set aside when this video was made. In fact any were already completed and others are in the making.
TLDR knows it. This video is totally biased (title including).
Immigration is another story. Comoros government refuses to let the French boats with their migrants to land in the Comoros.
This is hybrid warfare from the Comoros. They highly encourage these migrants. They openly said they want to get Mayotte in the Comoros.
Can't help but see the irony every time independence is granted, only for the population to immigrate to the country they got their independence from.
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law.
@@jobloluther Illegal or not, seems like everyone wants to got to French Mayotte, after voting for independance.
@@ingi1095 don’t oversimplify not everyone from Comoros wants to leave just the most desperate
So what? They're going to a place that has been made artificially richer than the rest of the Comoros by French presence and investment. It's perfectly rational and logical. They don't go there because they particularly like France or "feel French". @@ingi1095
@@Terraideryes. But their only way to live in peace is to send their desperate people away.
How would they keep peace in the Comoros when they will get Mayotte back?
And how do you expect the Mayotte native population to enjoy the Comoros ruling when they were attacked by them via hybrid warfare?
They will send their desperate people to mainland France?
And you want me to believe they are able to manage their own people's economy?
By the way Algeria does the same. They are totally corrupt and unable to make a living for their people. So they send all they cannot employ away.
Why does Comoros vote for independence but keep going to Mayotte? Isn't this what they vote for?
Frances poorest region is somewhere in paris not in Africa.
Definitely. Very dangerous places for sure in Paris. And the scary part of it is that gangsters have their own "zones" and those zones sometimes overlap with totally normal tourist destinations. It is also very clear in Paris who is who, I've never seen caucasian gangsters in Paris.
Same can be said about London or Los Angeles, so what's your point?
Then you've never been to Paris you racist nincampoop!@@Habib_Osman
Very unfortunate turn of events in Mayotte.
Neighboring colony leaves France because “colonialism bad”. Then proceeds to mass immigrate over to the colony which stayed as part of France.
60+ year gap between these 2 events, the people who voted for that arent necessarily the people even being effected by it today. Extremely reductive take.
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law.
@@ThomasJaa.No he doesn't, why do you think he would make such a brain dead comment 🤷♀️ ? .
i would do the same France kept looting africa for centuries and left africans with a big nothing if an african wishes to live in France they should if you dont want any african immigrants then France should give an actual independence to Former colonies and current colonies
@@jobloluther Meanwhile, the Act of No Choice was all hunky-dory, according to the UN.
Poverty and ignorance it's a terrible combination and a vicious cycle... You're dirt poor and you dare to have 5 kids? Wtf?
Yea they dare. Every one dares. That's how it's always been because that's the survival mechanism when you don't know who'll survive.
But it could also be an issue with the immigration they're having. It could be the people moving there from such circumstances. With very little in the way of contraceptives, money ect.
Genuinely stupid comment.
@@DSan-kl2ycexcept they know their children will not die for the vast majority.
The only difference is they do not care if they could pay for the education of their children.
Because they don't need education to survive. The whole system is based on corruption, no technical skill is required.
The issue nowadays is not if one of your children will survive childhood.
If you cannot feed them you call the NGOs.
I mean people say the lack of development comes from not sharing the revenues from the mines and oil.
Mind in Europe until recently these revenues were never shared with the population.
In fact liberals argue this is this concentration of capital that enables us to fund industries by the private sector.
This people than should learn to survive alone without the help from others. Let nature fix this issue.
A dedicated desalination and waste management system being built and funded as well as a continued surged gendarmerie presence would restabilize this region.
The answer is in the question
Did anyone notice that the question in the video’s title answers itself? lol
Yes.
France must go
I do not understand why France bothers with its small island rump colonialism.
But at least Reunion and the silly little islands in the Caribbean, Guyana and the Pacific sort of pay their way and are full of people who actually speak French. St Pierre and Miquelon might have oil and fisb. Tahiti has nice weather I guess.
Two-thirds of Mayotte doesn't even speak basic French. It's 97% Islamic and is the subject of an active territorial claim by the Comoros Islands - broadly supported by the African Union.
Why keep it?
Cause it's a department an integral part of France first second a nation doesn't abandon a piece for racist and xenophobic reasons and third an island mean more EEZ and potentially ressources
@@houssedecouette4056
The French did exactly that to Haiti and West Africa. Australia did it to PNG. The Malaysians did it to Singapore. The Americans did it to the Phillipines.
Pakistan more or less did it to Bangladesh, with a side dish of genocide.
@@maxriley1769because the people want to stay
@@maxriley1769 The people there voted to be with France unlike Comoros which voted to be independent
I think there is a moral dilemma of leaving behind the people of Mayotte who desire to remain French. Who knows how the comorians will treat them. As collaborators most likely.
They never stop coming. Never stop coming.
France needs to just leave the Africans alone already.
Their former african colonies
The people of Mayotte want to remain in France.
@@SP-rt4igmayyote is in Africa not France. Stupid.
France is loosing money with mayotte ...@@ankundamwebembezi6358
@@SP-rt4ig It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law.
Thank You.
Please, please start with Geography if You can next time
Europe in one generation
Indeed, unless something drasticnis done soon
Voted overwhelmingly to become independent and now illegally migrating to the place that chose to remain a colony lol
Solution - France needs to build a desalination facility. That will create jobs and water.
It's very expensive to build and run and maintain desalination facilities
They already did. A second one is in the making.
This video is politically oriented. They want us to believe there is no investment from the government.
Free Réunion
As a French I didn't even known about the riots
it's been happening for years. The only industry on Comoros is building boats to get to Mayotte... once they're there illiterate, undocumented migrants with few skills and little to offer society live in total poverty in shanty towns that are run by gangs who often fight each other for control. Same will start to happen to parts of mainland spain and italy soon.
Ain't no way you didn't know, it was all over the news some time ago with several cabinet ministers making a trip there too
@@altysalteo i knok about the situation but not about the recent strikes
@@laiphone8972because slave owners don’t like to know about the damage they cause, question, how many black infant girls do you have in your basement, graping them for your pleasure?
Me neither. I knew the situation was bad there, but the violences of the last few days depicted here didn't make the news in the mainstream media at all. It's been all about Israel and Ukraine...
I didn't know the Comoros used to be just "Comoro" without the S. Also interesting is the New York Times clip about its independence from France reads "moslem" instead of muslim. Wonder when exactly the current spelling was adopted?
That's what colonialism gets you. Spread out too much and then cumble to support the captured territory as well as migration. 😂
Les Africains peuvent venir à l'école en Europe de l'Est, les écoles sont gratuites, les soins de santé sont gratuits, en Europe de l'Est nous avons le taux de chômage le plus bas, les magasins sont ouverts le dimanche, vous pouvez gagner de l'argent supplémentaire le week-end. Europe de l'Est, les pays Intermarium ont besoin de travailleurs pour usines dans l'industrie, la transformation, pour la construction d'autoroutes, de circulation routière, de trottoirs, d'infrastructures
Why do some british colonies prosper but none of the french ones?
Well if you are talking about Africa it is because France colonised landlocked countries with very little natural resources whereas British colonised less but much more geographically important ones, next to key rivers and ports etc.
Maybe France should just... Stop having colonies
Cause based French don't give a shit. Vive la France.
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law.
What do you mean by colonies ?
Does that include Siberia for Russia? Or Hawaii for the US?
I love it when Left-Wing publications will casually admit that high/ unwanted immgiration is a problem to countires everywhere else in the world, but in western countries it is perfect and causes no problems.
These guys have never been shy about discussing immigration in continental Europe though. The topic has been consistently brought up in Tories related discussion and also have discussed it extensively in their Podcasts.
@@rubenfigueiredo3458I must agree with you. I'm surprised by the openness of this outlet.
Last time I check Mayotte is located in Africa
LoL 2 archipelagos one got independence one not, the one that got independence (Comoros) went to shit and Mayotte was relatively ok.
Now all the people that got independence are trying to move to the colony and throwing fits because they aren't treated with the same benefits of those that have voted to remain part of France.
Now they move in the hundreds of thousands to colony of Mayotte and are making the place a mess like their independent country yet they still blame the french. 😂
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law.
The trajectory is the same as that of Haiti. Terminal…
Mayotte is a part of France and of the European Union. So why not put the video about it on the TLDR EU channel instead? Are some parts of the EU "more European" than others?
Side effects of European colonization
I would say that literally being in Europe makes some parts more European, yes.
@user-yastan It is part of the European Union, and all its inhabitants have the same rights and obligations as Europeans.
It's part of Africa not part of Europe they need to abandon it so all the illegals leave then they will have enough water due to all the ones wanting to freeload of france moving some where else.
@@rb98769depends on how you define Europe. And if you consider Europeans of African descent as Europeans.
Hang on, I thought words were violence?!? Silence too for that matter... Every really unless it's aimed at a Jewish person.
>Vote to become independent from France
>Continue to illegally immigrate to it
The african mind truly knows no bounds
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law.
Why not coop up the plastic water bottles in the Mediterranean or Bay of Biscay?
Because the seas are gigantic. It would be like sweeping the streets of paris with a toothbrush.
How is this a Global video and not an EU one?
Like, seriously this would be pretty similar to Lampedusa, the Canaries or Melilla having riots because neighboring African nationals immigrate irregularly... Mayotte is as France as Paris or Marseille and as EU as Brussels or Munich. They are in other continent, but also are the Italian and Spanish Islands aforementioned, and recently those topics were covered in the other channel.
because ultimately its a situation taking place in africa.
Nope, they have a different status within France, which are called "outre-mer". No Mayotte is not as France as Paris in the facts
Lol no it's not.
@@Macristo they have a voice and they voted to stay with france. the issue is that france4 doesnt have the guts to send back all the illegals.
@@corentinvillereal6975 that’s false. Mayotte is under « legislative identity » which means that french laws apply there in the exact same way they apply in Paris. Laws can be adapted in Mayotte (in all french oversea territories really) to fit local realities but that’s actually true for all of France. Oversea territories only really benefit from a special mean of temporary devolution of legislative power to local authorities but for all of oversea territories this power has only been used once successfully in 20 years.
The French govt needs to stop this neglect and systemically start tackling infrastructure building:
Desalination plants could help in water scarcity management;
Construction of means of livelihood in form of a port on the island;
The French govt already does. Projects are already built but the number of new migrants and the drought combined...
This video is totally partial when not making things up.
This hybrid war from the other Comori islands. Nothing to do with social unrest.
I also highly doubt corruption had anything to do with the problems of Mayotte. Stealing money does not deplete reservoirs. Them not stealing would not have avoided the problem as this money was not meant to build new reservoirs. And as far as I know this is not a widespread issue in Mayotte. You do not have to bribe bureaucrats for anything.
You misunderstood. The migrants are way mostly underage. Because France cannot expel underage. To my knowledge Mayotte already has a port.
Also note that the underage migrants have free French studies. And I believe as they are isolated minors they also have money to leave and eat.
And Mayotte is very small. There is no way the 230000 migrants can work in farms or the few industries that Mayotte has.
This simply makes no sense. And they can only be employed following French law. This means minimum wages and half the salary has taxes. This is a lot of money for the bosses.
Also they have no skills or any education. They cannot be employed in jobs that require these.
What do you want to employ them for ?
And there are infrastructures in. Mayotte and even new ones are already under construction. TLDR should have known better. This video is totally partial and also makes things up. The civil war is about ancient Mayotte people fighting back the migrant communities that attack them. In some way this is no civil war at all. This is an hybrid war between Mayotte and the Comoros that want to push France out of Mayotte.
I'm still in shock that an island could have a water crisis
You do know that you can't really drink seawater right, it will only dehydrate you.
The water around them is salt water. You can't drink it. You 'sweet' water. Simply water that has a low salt ratio. You usualy get it from rivers, lakes, rainfall, ground water or smelting snow. Islands always had a short water supply
Fairly common for islands to not have enough freshwater
@marshal8676 american school system moment
@@Frammdoeveryone knows you can’t drink saltwater, but islands usually have very healthy ground water supplies, because the island itself acts as a filter. Rise in sea level from climate change has put strain on ground water supply though
maybe they should stop having so many children?🙄
I've never heard of this place And I'm good at geography
It’s apart of France , one of
of it’s over seas territories.
Impressive refusal to even try to pronounce French words correctly.
France should just grant them independence. They offer no value to the French and quite the opposite in fact. I don't think that state would survive if it wasnt for Frances subsidies. Give them independence and let them handle their own problems.
Grant them independence? What if the people do not want your gift of independence? What then? You want to cut them of? Kick them out? Distance yourself from your own citizens?
But they don't want independence. :D They want to be part of France, even though they are Muslim few thousand kilometres from Paris, and they are furious that the French government did not do more to protect them from illegal immigration. If there are riots then either illegal immigrants are rioting or local population is rioting against illegal immigrants. :P If there will be a civil war, it will not be against French government but it will be between those who has French citizenship vs those who has not. ;p You are a German right? Imagine that Ruegen is overwhelm by illegal immigration and German inhabitants of Ruegen suffer due to that illegal immigration. Your solutions is like "Give Ruegen independence" even though nobody wants it there.
The immigrants was the one creating tensions not the inhabitants.
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law. @@JanBruunAndersen
@@jobloluther - Remember, the law only defines what is legal and what is illegal. It does not define what is right or wrong.
Their situation would not be as bad if Nestle weren’t stealing their drinking water in order to sell it back to them in plastic bottles.
If people in Comoros want to live in/migrate to France so much, then they shouldn't have demanded independence in the first place.
MADAGASCAR
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law.
Due to the channel's habit of getting things wrong, particularly when dealing with topics like this, along with my ignorance on this, I'm not gonna risking "liking" the video, instead, you get this comment as promotion. 👍
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It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law.
Give them independence and watch the standard of living drop 50% in 5 years, cut diplomatic ties for good measure as well
They'll go to Reunion island
It's not Frances poorest region, it's in second place, Guyana is the poorest French department, get your facts right!
That's not true
Mayotte is poorer than Guiana in both GDP and GDP per capita
Its almost as if mass immigration is a bad thing who would have thought 😂
Since independence from France, the Comoros experienced more than 20 coups or attempted coups. - BBC 2008
If your neighbor is an unstable police state, don't be surprised when people flee to your country. Mass immigration is only a symptom of a bigger problem.
If people of Comoros want to be French citizens then they should simply run a political movement in Comoros to merge with Mayotte, organise referendum to do so & if successful send an application to Mayotte & France to approve it. It's not right for people from Comoros to flood Mayotte to reap any benefits they get from being part of France when Mayotte chose to stay with France whereas Comoros islands chose to leave.
Free Mayotte from French imperialism!
bro in the last 30 years the global population has risen by 2 billion
it took over 100 years for the global population to go from 1 billion to 2 billion during the industrial revolution
its not sustainable for europeans to prop up a population boom in africa or anywhere else
It should never have been incorporated.
True. Our bad gouvernement who has done stupid action without asking native population if it’s a good idea or not.
@@YouYou-sm8tfare you from Mayotte? You tell our government... At the same time was there a government in Mayotte back in the sixties?
Your comment makes no sense to me.
@@prahalb No I’m not from Mayotte. Mayotte was a colony and our stupid gouvernement didn’t repair their colonialism mistake by forming Mayotte own gouvernement and helping them to build some infrastructures and give them their independance.
@@YouYou-sm8tf you mean your government that is unable to feed the hundreds of thousands of people pushing them to go to Mayotte could have helped build any kind of infrastructure anywhere?
Why didn't they feed these people in the first place?
These infrastructures were built but were insufficient thanks to your people coming...
Others are in the making and not thanks to your government or any money of yours.
Start by feeding your citizens before critiquizing others. I believe they love their country and want to stay.
@@prahalb I’m french. My french gouvernement and our politicians are the biggest problem. They made decision that didn’t benefit french from metropole nor mayorais nor comorians.
We should have never take Mayotte as a french department, it was one of the foolish decision that Sarkozy made and our stupid gouvernement should’ve used common sense and anticipate such decision will lead to more trouble.
"These infrastructures were built but were insufficient thanks to your people coming" How? And who were coming? Why don’t Mayotte just spendmore ressources to protect their border/sea from illegals first, then restrict legal immigrants based on its ability and ressources they have.
I have no problems with Mayotte protecting their lands from invasion, Comorians should accept Mayotte don’t belong to them but to mayorais...and french gouvernement should mind his own business and give independance to Mayotte.
Mayotte is Comoro and is not FRANCE.
Does Mayotte actually have any strategic value to France?
That's like asking if some county in England has any strategic value for England. It's part of France and the people there see themselves as French. It's not a matter of strategic importance
I'm not an expert, but from what I know, France still holds on to these territories partly because of resources (the French EEZ spans almost all continents), but mainly because these territories don't want to leave France. In the video they say people from the Comores are migrating to Mayotte. The Comores used to be French, but chose indipendence. It's hard to be a prosperous country when you're just a collection of islands with very few resources. By being part of France, these territories can insure their survival and, despite the difficulties, French overseas territories tend to have higher living standards than neighbouring countries (ex. look at how developed Tahiti is compared to other countries in Polynesia). I think that France is more important to Mayotte than the other way around.
The French need to manipulate the vote and give that shithole independence and leave ASAP.
It's highly unpopular in metropolitan France to be fair, and it's currently the only outersea territory that many french people *really* want to get rid of. The problem is that the locals have french citizenship, so we can't really get rid of them like that.
@@pisse3000 That's Africa. It is literary in Africa and far away from France. Stop with the silly woke terms that glorify colonialism.
Didn't some Commoros Islands vote to rejoin France?
The water crisis is solvable. Fresh water is lighter than salt water, so the solution is pretty simple:
You sail to the Antarctic and fetch a big iceberg. Then you drag it back to a lagoon on the island and run it as far up the beach as possible. Once the iceberg is stuck, you erect a waterproof plastic barrier behind it and wait for the iceberg to start melting.
The fresh water will flow to the top of the lagoon where you can start skimming it of and purify it.
The you fetch the next iceberg...
You're kidding but I could see people mining our shrinking glaciers for bottled water within my lifetime
I don't know if you are serious or joking
That aint that simple blud
thats a ducktales storyline...
its so stupid it might unironically work if you cover the iceberg in reflective tarp too
The evils of the EU.
France needs to get rid of Mayotte.
They cannot. There is no legal framework to give a region independence against of wishes of the region's inhabitants.
@@Hadar1991 Also why would we want to abandon other French people just because their region is a admittedly drag on the economy? It might make sense on a financial level but that would be unnacceptable on any other aspects
@@maxr7527 I am not saying France should or should not do it. I am saying it is basically impossible without: Mayotte inhabitants wanting it or changing French constitution. But if somebody is very realpolitik advocate then Mayotte may seem quite a pain in the back that generates only problems and gives no advantages like Reunion or French Guyana.
I'm sure a lot of them would want to at this point, but you can't just kick out what is legally considered to be an integral part of your country.
It was illegal for France under international law to put a referendum to an entire territory and instead of taking the total results of all its territory (Comoros, which voted for independence) to separate one of the islands of the Comoros - which was not considered a separate administrative entity, Mayotte - and illegally annex it to its national territory. The annexation of Mayotte is as illegal as Russia's annexation of Crimea according to international law.
France should worry about a drop in tourism due to their nasty bed bug problem.
France just doesn't take things seriously. I can understand having an immigration problem on a large landmass like continental Europe with no many borders. But this is a tiny Island. Stopping the immigration should be very easy.
How do you stop boats? You can't sink them or push them back to sea, that's murder.
It is extremely difficult but anyway
you cant kill people in the sea...
@@nicolas51489 Starving people on that island of resources is murder too. They should prioritize their own survival first.
It’s not at all. The landmasses of Mayotte and the Comores are separated by only a 100km of sea. You can see one island from the other when the weather is nice. By the time a boat has leaves the Comore’s territorial waters, french maritime forces don’t have long to detect it (a small boat is difficult to detect, we are talking traditionnal fishing boats here, not aircraft carriers) and intercept it. International maritime law forces France to bring the boat to the nearest port of safety which if in French territorial waters means bringing them to Mayotte where they will try to ask for either a visa or a refugee status.
Why is France still keeping territories ? Has France finished handling its own internal problems ?
In fact there is no problem in Mayotte that does not exist in France, the thing is Mayotte is small and they have way more isolated migrant minors than mainland. Also what do you mean by France should leave its territories. France is a composite of territories. Do you mean they should be Isle of France only (in short Paris ? Whose natives were not even Franks put Parisii...)
Even water shortage is an issue (not as critical than in Mayotte) in a third of continental France...
Shouldn't this be in tldr eu?
france gains little by having mayotte. they should walk away.
Who knows? It is definitely not in France's interest to tell the world what they are getting. They're getting something though.. who knows what.
It strikes me as irreeposible to frame this as an issue of overpopulation. While population growth has been a factor, it seems lik the main issue is the lack of economic opportunity and infrastructure, pushing its young people to leave to the mainland, as well as neglecting improving the infrastructure for its people
Lack of infrastructure literally means that the island isn't prepared to accomodate that many people.
it's overpopulation flooding the area with illegals outside the area when they already were low on water and other food this is why your let everyone into a area fails even rich areas like new york cannot afford to pay for everyone the illegals take housing away from locals increasing prices which is even worse since this area was poor to start with they cannot afford to pay for you and your family/friends they cannot handle freeloaders from outside their Country they want to be treated like kings/queens getting free hand outs and also bring more crime with them.
It is a reflection of overpopulation as someone who lives there. The native Maore people are anti-immigration as they have seen rising violence and lack of resources like water as a direct outcome of an overgrowth in the population.
There is infrastructure only tldr doesn't tell. The migrants are mostly underage and have no skills. Even with fiber high speed internet they cannot be employed. What do you mean by if you have infrastructure everyone has a job... Are you serious?
You believe that someone who doesn't know English, basic calculus, and knows no craft of any kind is employed just because there are infrastructures (which there are and more is in the making) ?
The XIXe time when there is unlimited unskilled work in the coal mines is long gone.
Economic opportunity to do what ... Farming on a small overpopulated island ?
Frankly if you have an idea of a business that could employ most of them share it. We need such a clue.
Ry tanindrazanay malala o
Ry Madagasikara soa
Ny fitiavanay anao tsy miala
Fa ho anao tu fana doria tokoa
3:50 in the interests of impartiality, i think you needed to include the views of the international community and UN’s continued votes in favour of resolving that French possession of Mayotte is illegal under internal law and in violation of UN resolution 1514. Precisely because that is one viewpoint on what is causing the current crisis, with the UN seeing it as a result of France’s cynical desire to retain a possession useful for power projection in africa and as a military base.
i understand there’s always stuff that will be cut and which there is not space for, but I would argue this information is important enough to warrant inclusion
And resolution 2504 endorsed the Act of No Choice on Western New Guinea. The UN doesn't have a perfect track record by a long stretch.
Who the fuck gives a single fuck about the UN? Comoros will never own Mayotte, it's as simple as that.
3:26 4:04
Proud ass migrants voting for independence from France and then illegally going to French mayotte….. what the actual F
None of those migrants were born when that referendum was held. Besides, France is a wealthy democracy, while the Comoros is not. Hence the migrants.
I’ll bet my whole ass that the previous generation was already doing the same very thing right after they dropped off their ballots
*Corsica entering chat*
You could say the same about Algeria, fighting for independence, got it, educating their children in the hatred of France while coming en masse to France for some reason.
@@erwanmarie8756 "for some reason" 😂
Actually that's true
oh yeah Africa, France
France should try to take back control over the Comoros Islands; if the people there would want that, and then develop the whole island chain.
Insane. But maybe the Comoris should be periodically given the right to become French ?
I mean why would their grandparents have the rights to decide for them for eternity :-)
Pun intended. The Comoris are not pro France even when they migrate to Mayotte. They do so not to be in France but because Comoros is a failure but they would never admit it.
France needs to dump Macron now!!
Finally... Someone is talking about the problem of overpopulation in Africa.
Mind the overpopulation in your own continent. It is the most densely populated continent anyway.
Maybe desalination should be considered😢
Desalination is extremely expensive and fuel inefficient. I don't think there is a single nation on earth that lives off desalinated water. Maybe an extremely tiny nation which is also mostly a rich tourist destination could do it.
As a French, I propose to give Mayotte back to the Comores, since it is already de facto the case
I prefere make a second vote for the comore you can reunite with mayotte into the french republic.
@@enalige France has to focus on its own problems, not add third-world territories to the republic
As a French I respect Mayotte's wish to stay French and spit on my Gov for doing nothing about the immigration crisis there, as well as on the mainland!
Mayotte joining Comoros would save French tax payer money.
@@erwanmarie8756 Dude, 2/3 of this territory voted in favor of independence. France shouldn’t have kept Mayotte.
Free Mayotte!
"We're poor and starving, let's go have 5 kids per family."
Why should anyone with less than 5 kids care about these people who make their own mistakes? Would they send me aid if I went and had 5 kids? I doubt it.
People make their own mistakes. Sorry it sounds cold, but the premise is sound. Please reply with your best attempts at mental gymnastics to explain why someone like myself working hard to support 1 child must care or give aid to someone who chose to have 5.
It's called being a humanist. And, you can't just say that everyone WANTED those 5 kids... Lots of people don't have access to contraceptions, don't understand basic reproductive mechanics, are sexually violated, etc. Anyway, let me put it this way - even if you only care about your family, if your family needed help and I could provide it I would still help you because I'm a humanist and it's the right thing to do, regardles how little you would care for my family. It's being the better man.
You don't have to send aid, but don't pretend that you would care even if the fertility rate magically disappeared overnight.
Because it will suck for your kid in the future, demography is important
Because the parent made the choice but the 5 children didn’t. That simple. Please reply with your mental gymnastics over how the 5 children chose to be born
@@easytiger6570it will suck even more if the fivers are let into the countries of the sane and sensible.
Love how this documentary was not afraid to say 'Immigration' and 'High Birth Rate' as Some of the contributing factors to a problem
Fr they need to let go of these random overseas departments
I agree, but Mayotte did vote against independence in fairness
why do you want the people of Mayotte to suffer like the Comorotien?
They voted to stay and are french citizens. Unless they vote to leave, we shouldn't give up on them
Why? Who exactly would it help?
@@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462 French government cannot abandon the island even if it really wanted. Mayotte voted to be a fully integrated region of France, so they cannot be just kicked out and abandon. It may be a mistake on the French side to give Mayotte the status of fully integrated region, but now French government has their hands tied up.
Mayotte's mainly black population voted 43% for Le Pen in the first round of the presidential elections, and 59.1% in the second round. Let that sink in for a minute lefties...
Black people aren't a homogenous blob, you need to end your racist rhetoric.
Le Pen ran on an anti-immigration platform which those from Comoros see as a problem.
That just proves how Uninformed they are
@@Rowlph8888not uninformed. In the context of Africans in mayotte it makes sense as to why theyd dislike high immigration as they feel the impact a lot more than some departments of France. I mean 50% of their population are recent migrants; 55% being under 24.
@@Rowlph8888 The whole developing world is overwhelmingly conservative and clearly on the right of the political spectrum on every subjects, feminism, immigration, homosexuality,, religion etc...they are only voting left in western countries for obvious reasons. You are the one that is uninformed.
@@erwanmarie8756 If the pen gets in power,that is when we will see who is right
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