Thicker Fretboard = Thicker Tone? 2017 Gibson Les Paul Tribute T Satin Gold Top Studio | Review
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I thought the "thicker fretboard = more tone" marketing claim was a little strange, but I thought this one sounded great!
0:26 - Tribute T Features
2:07 - Insides / Specs
4:55 - Final Thoughts
5:54 - Tone Test
7:40 - Mike's Jam
10:25 - Condition
13:02 - Blacklight
13:38 - Gig Bag
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These really are great guitars I have a 2016 Tribute T in ebony those did come with the 498 T in the bridge position rather then the 490 T but a great player for sure
@@ItsSheridan + mine had the gig bag, but I purchased a hardshell for it, I have been victim of headstock breakage with past L.P. s
@@stepvanjoe3469 my head stock's fall off all the time.
Is 2018 Les Paul tribute also good??..
I wish Gibson would create a Custom Trogly Les Paul and work with you on the development of it. I bet it would be killer!
Where I sign???
We should ask him if he order a Make to measure LP how would it be
If only big corporations listened. The good ones do.
Have to have a killer inlay scheme on the neck for sure!
And at least 6 grand hahaha
I had the satin honey. It was GREAT with the exception of the fret ends and the lack of grain filler on the neck. Otherwise huge value.
The tributes have always been a hell of a deal for a Gibson Les Paul. It's a shame the 19s did away with the trapezoid inlays and now have dots. Shame, really.
I agree
thats a deal breaker for me
Why would I have a wooden fingerboard, then cut the wood out and make it mostly a plastic surface? WTF?
They should go back to using MOP and albalone inlays on guitars instead of the plasticity things they’ve been using, my 77 les Paul customs inlays look way better than my 2012 les Paul studios! and Idk how they could even call it a tribute to the 50s lps with dot inlays! they just don’t want a better deal than a standard lp.. Idk why they always compete with there own models instead of just releasing a whole line of nice guitars that people would actually buy
Personally I love the feel of the rosewood. No inlays at all, is even better. Just my preference though.
This line was the best value Gibson had for the past few years. The quality was consistent from one to the next and they had a lot of great features
i have this guitar and it has never disappointed
me too it sounds great plays great
These are really nice les paul studios especially for the price!! Really wanted to get one of these, but they don't seem to make them left handed its a shame cause they are a pretty traditional build overall which is nice. Good review man!
I have the 2018 version of this guitar and absolutely love it you are correct I've had many high-end Custom Shop Les Paul's and it actually sounds just as good as those did! What I really like about this guitar is the Unbound neck the first Les Paul's gold Tops didn't have bound necks and I always thought that was cool
That tone was so thick that Trogly forgot to put the 'mo' in 'Demo'!
Darn 100 character limit! haha
I like my 2018 Tribute in the honey burst finish. By the way, the honey burst has darker coloured back & neck than the gold top but overall I prefer the honey burst because 1, I like the burst better than the solid gold, and 2, I prefer the look of the visible wood grain through the honey burst.
As far as I'm concerned, the 2018 is the best quality & best value out of all of the different years Tribute models. It has none of the awful weight relief of other Tributes, I specifically wanted all of the mahogany in tact on a gibson LP that I was going to buy, because I wanted it to be as close as possible to the older guitars. The 2018 model also came with a beautiful embroidered soft shell case which, alone, on the gibson website cost around £140.
I like the lack of binding on the body & neck. The only things I don't like so much are the 498T bridge pickup, it's too hot for my liking. The 490R neck pickup however, is a great little pickup, but I always planned to wind myself a nice set of PAF tribute pickups and wire my own vintage wiring harness and will just sell the stock pickups & wiring. I shall make all those as soon as I've played my guitar in and worn out the original strings that the guitar came with - waste not want not.😆
I'm so glad I managed to get my 2018 Tribute because there's no way I'd be buying the 2019 Tribute because gibson have basically stripped some features away from the 2018 and have increased the price by about £350 !!
My honey burst cost me £749 which was a great price, but the 2019 model where I live is around £1100, sometimes more depending on where you shop.
I normally really dislike how studios look, but for whatever reason, this is IMO one of the best looking guitars. In gold that is.
Agreed. This is a nice looking guitar at a very fair price for what you get.
pomaranc747 I have heard Les Paul himself didn’t really care for binding. If true then this would mean these are more close than what he would play.
@@peepongdingdong9208the original gold tops didn’t have binding
I love the 490T/R combo, nice balance between the pickups. The "natural binding" is really nice and the unbound neck is a huge plus in my book. I have never liked Gibson's binding nubs on the fretboard, they have a nasty habit of catching the bottom E string, particularly on guitars that have been through a lot of climate changes (expansion and contraction). As S G said, its a crying shame Gibson decided to go with dot inlays on the '19s, the trapezoid inlay to me is one of Gibson's identifying marks, I don't think I will ever buy one with dot inlays....
I wish I could get my hands on a beat to hell Gibson LP where I live but sadly, living in Europe there are nowhere near as many project guitars to be found and the shipping cost from the US makes the project a waste of time and money, better to just buy a decent used guitar and be done with it at that point. One day I will have to go to the US and pick up something I can refinish and mod to my liking, that and a decent vintage(ish) gold top, probably from one of the less desirable eras :)
Love the vids Trogly, keep doing what you do.
2018 was even better - they went back to solid mahogany body, gave it Plek fret levelling and a 498 in the bridge which took this close to a 60's CS guitar in the set up. Not sure exact specs of this 2017 but the 2018 had arch maple top, one piece mahogany back (no vaulting), mahogany neck, thick rosewood on the fret board and retained the lightweight aluminium hardware, tombstones, trapezoid inlays, satin nitro-cellulose etc. The PCB will upset some people but the parts all all branded Gibson USA and if you want 50's wiring and orange drops / bumblebees you can do that yourself. The fret ends were decent and just needed a light polish. I had the bone re-cut for 11's and the back face angles rounded off - bit of graphite and no tuning issues at all in last 8 months. Oh and for Trogly... the 2018 had a beautiful brown leather / gold Gibson branded formed gig bag included... maybe they listened to you. Fantastic guitar. pbs.twimg.com/media/D4Mz6b8XsAIVPz3.jpg
Generally, and I say this based on playing on stage for 55 years and having owned dozens of guitars, some bad, fair, good, and excellent: The whole tone wood and "thickness" discussion is a total waste of oxygen and ink. Proper setup, quality of construction, electronics, and quality of hardware are EVERYTHING. Any attempt at determining that fingerboard species and thickness making any difference in tone is pointless. The same is true for the body species discussion. Alder versus ash (which density?), versus mahogany, versus korina, Koa, etc., et.. All baloney. Amateurs just trying to sound like experts. You do have a nice channel, very nicely produced, and I do appreciate what you do. Just had to weigh in.
Trogly I love this video this has been my exact dream guitar for a WHILE, (specifically the gold top) I saw one "used" in guitar center. the employee that got it down said the guy who "used" it had it for three days until he sold it to guitar center, he didn't buy it there, so they had to tag it at $800, he wasn't lying either I looked at the frets and how the strings were wound on it. The frets were still shiny and the strings were still factory. I played it for four hours... Don't get me wrong my tobacco burst Epi Les Paul Trad Pro II is awesome but MAN I WANT ONE OF THESE SO BAD ;)
Edit: I bought one today, I believe I'm the happiest guy alive 🤣
Thank you documenting this. Basically a time capsule of my favorite guitar.
Mike should turn of the Echo on his High Gain Sounds!
I really love Gold Tops
Hi Trogly any chance you can do a review of the newer Gibson Tribute 2020/2021? Please!
An addition for anyone looking for a Tribute - the final model year 2018 before they were downgraded and merged with the Studio line gained further upgrades (in Europe at least) over Trogly's 2017 model, confirmed with my luthier on receipt (new) - he was keen to take it apart also - shocked at the price. The 2018 Gold Top Tribute was steered towards an early 70's run of Gold Top Deluxe models which were the first GTs since 1958 to feature a full size humbucker - a later '68 Deluxe for example, had mini hum-buckers reminiscent of a P90 in size. In keeping with the period (these were popular in Rock / Blues) the 2018 model does include the 498T in the bridge - so you did get the 490 / 498 custom shop favourite, Trogly mentions in the video. More firepower for solos.
The guitar retained the traditional elements of mahogany back, carved maple cap, rosewood fingerboard, trapezoid inlays, Gibson Deluxe tulip tuners like the earlier Tributes although it was not vaulted in 2018 and so more in keeping with the 70's Deluxe it was modelled on. Opinion: no traditional Les Paul guitars should be vaulted - this has been spun by marketing but is largely a practice to accommodate cheaper, heavier types of mahogany wood cut from younger trees - original LPs had aged mahogany (old trees) which was lighter in its nature.... and no holes drilled into the body.
In addition, the 2018 Tributes had the Plek fret-levelling process previously custom shop (and a $300 fee outside the factory) so no high or dead frets - the fret ends just needed a little finishing off and final dressing. The nut is Gibson's TekToid faux bone nut (read plastic) but does its job. This required a little work, channels were set high and rear face had burrs - we over-cut it for 11s, cleaned up the burrs and added a little FastFret into the grooves - no string binding at all and it holds tuning beautifully.
Nitrocellulose laquer was the final touch over the normal (awful) thick polyurethane of budget guitars - semi satin ( with a sheen) on the gold face and satin on the back which should wear in nicely on the neck when played. The gig bag was also upgraded 2018 to a thickly padded case (not a hard shell - lighter but excellent protection) and with a neck support internally.
So where are the short cuts over a 2018 LP Standard? Note: to connoisseurs of vintage guitars these will be an anathema but to the rest of us mortals they largely don't have an impact on playability. I cannot argue about tone as everything on a guitar affects tone including the type of wood, neck joint, nut, bridge etc etc although if you don't own a vintage Les Paul it largely wont upset you.
- short tenon neck joint
- maple cap is (believed to be) less thick and a shallower carve than Standard although not noticeably
- Nashville bridge - not a traditional ABR1 - this is a change from the 70's and should have been included (opinion) with the posts drilled directly into the wood
- no binding on the body or neck (body has the maple cap exposed which looks like an ageing yellowing binding)
- tektoid nut is cheap but a tusq / graphtech wont break the bank
- the wiring is PCB with easy connect - no metal plate, 50's wiring or paper/oil caps... you do get full size Gibson branded pots which work perfectly well (albeit without the 50's tone pot nuance )
- the headstock cap is likely plastic (not a veneer over mahogany) and Gibson logo a decal rather than silk screen
- no strap locks, no grover tuners, no hard case
- the inlays are plastic, not mother of pearl
- gold top is satin finished - Standard is more of a reflective semi gloss
Bear in mind, this model was HALF the price of a Gibson USA Standard in 2018... the critical bits like the pickups, branded full size pots, fret levelling are there - you can always add a 50's wiring kit, better nut and bridge conversion, Grovers yourself if you really want to chase 60/70's tone. Seen here on delivery pbs.twimg.com/media/DwiQk3tWwAA8913.jpg. and coupled with its new best friend, a Marshall Dual Super Lead Vintage (valve) amp. pbs.twimg.com/media/D0HnpzMX4AASpLA.jpg - these go together like Vic and Bob (or Abbot and Costello for US readers).
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the 2019 studio tribute lineup is such downgrade.
the 490/490 combo is one of the best-way better than the 498 IMO. They are like low noise p90s in some of their feel.
I have a faded honeyburst but wish I bought the goldtop...I lucked up and got a 2018 soft case instead of the gig bag.
Trogly, have you gotten your hands on a Heritage H-150?
I just traded for one of these in this exact color. I was hesitant at first, but it turns out to be one of the best Les Pauls I’ve ever played. Plus, I love the rougher gold top finish, as I’ve never been a fan of gold tops prior (I just don’t get the hype). But this genuinely looks great, plays like butta, and sounds even better.
OmG tune up that guitar pleaseeeee.
Thanks for the video.
I love your videos, they're so well made. If I could make one recommendation however? Play slower... and more melodically. Let the guitar ring... that's ultimately what we want to hear. How does the guitar ring? Most of the time, the stuff you play prevents us from hearing that.
Dig It! The Workingman's Goldtop!
I own one, it sounds great and has a beautiful look. Great value for the price I spent (700 Euros) for an original new Gibson. I'm really satisfied!
I know this is a couple years old - YT just recommended this video to me.
The electronics module needs to be recognized as inspired by Taylor Guitars - their discontinued SolidBody line used a "quick change" electronics package like this with a circuit board with mounted tone caps etc. Like other industry successes, this is a direct descendant of their innovation.
I have this guitar and use it a lot. Check it out in action and in the mix on my channel.
Please do the newer tribute Les Pauls !
Does the flat G string cost extra?
I have one of these exactly the same as this one. I absolutely love it.
I've got a 2018 tribute in honeyburst, ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!! I've played it so much its starting to become a gloss finish haha. Shame about the dot inlays and weight relief on the 2019s though, the previous tributes were really bang for your buck
Have the 2017 honey burst version absolutely love it. Bought it new in a was at a price point for me where I felt comfortable experimenting with the guitar a little As far is leveling frets crowning things like that.
I unapologetically love mine. I managed to get a limited edition one in Cherry Burst from Sweetwater and it absolutely sings! I've been trying to figure out how many Gibson made in that color, since it's a limited run, but can't find production numbers anywhere. Oh well. It's my #1 and I wouldn't trade it for anything!
Heyy, he's back yeahh
Sigh. I found this exact model just after buying a studio. Could have sold the studio, but this one would have probably been gone by the time. Now I love the studio, will not sell, but also would like a gold top, but there is just no justification to buy one. Only halfway justified option would be to get a gt with p90s.
@Samo Saarts justification...for getting another guitar,I don't understand..lol.
Actually had that exact guitar,loved it.
I have this guitar , I love it . But my only complaint is the tone/volume circuit board is unnecessary. I’m taking mine out and just doing it old school.
I bought that exact guitar about 4 months ago. Needless to say, I actually prefer it to my ‘78 LP Custom. The weight relief is a HUGE bonus. The bridge pickup is much tamer and in my opinion more versatile.
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I got this guitar from zzounds in 2017 but it has an ebony finish and it came with a gold gibson hard shell case, Was the ebony a limited run?
I agree. Despite the gig bag and the stenciled head stock. I love my my cheap(ish) LP's
I made the mistake of buying an sg tribute once. Biggest piece of shit I ever owned. I’ll stick to my standards.
if that thing had an ebony fretboard and a dark back, it would be the last les paul I'd ever buy. ... er, maybe.
The 2016t had a chocolate colored back . I’ve got one. Why 2 different color backs?
My blondie is 8 pounds crimson is the lighter one in my collections
You said it’s a 50’s tribute but then say it’s got a 60’s profile neck???
The neck is not thick like the studio more in the feel of the 60s paul
Use all the lemon oil you want!
The easy answer to nuts with uneven slots cut in: Zero-frets. They're awesome: Easy to set up, providing an even tone between open and fretted strings, and uniform action at the first fret.
Gold Tone makes a product, "Zero-Glide," that retrofits in a zero-fret nut system without any additional routing. I had one put in on my Strat, and love it.
La guitarra está desafinada o soy yo?
Does a scalloped fretboard have less or no tone... ?
Is it me or did Trogly not mention the neck wood?? I believe some early year Tributes had mahogany necks and then they switched to maple?? Can anyone confirm that? If I purchase one of these I'd like the neck to be mahoagany...
Starting from 2019 they had maple necks.
Anyone else think the tuning went out on that?
I want this guitar sooo bad, man.
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It's stock music called Lazy Day
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I've never seen this guy play worse than this guitar.. Which in my opinion is still much better than I could make use of.. Wow
Hey trogly guitar show I'm look at getting gibson les paul ones ive been looking at are LPJ from 2013 and 2014 or Faded or Tribute or stuido do have any suggestions on what les paul to get around 1000 dollars max budget is 1200
and thats why i ditched those crap tuners right off the bat lol i also compound polished mine and it looks sweet
Congratulations that sold fast!
I would have rock it 😂
I have a 2014 50s Tribute, P90s, goldtop, but with a dark back. Picked it up a year ago used for $700 i think. It doesnt have rosewood, on Gibson's website, it says its baked maple.
When you get down to it .... The trim level doesn't mean much to tone ,j especially in p90 models . Owned standards to jrs prefer the base model. Had 490s didn't like em
Mahogany body + mahogany neck + thicker rosewood fretboard = mega resonant guitar, Happy 2019 !
what you got jammed under the G string on the nut? Is it because it another poorly built guitar by Gibson? Also, where you said the fret board was being conditioned, with what?
I have a 2017 Honeyburst and Gold Top.I love the satin finish and natural binding.They look more expensive with natural binding,(PRS).New models have a maple neck rather than the mahogany on earlier versions.Also,no thumb bleeders under the knobs on the new ones.
I really enjoy my 2018. No weight relief. 490R and 498T. Got it on sale at $779.
I have a 2017 SG Special T from the same line with the same fretboard. It's a good guitar, but the thicker board doesn't do anything a normal one wouldn't and it's hardly noticeable anyway.
Got a 2016 in burst, only difference is not chambered. Also 50s neck.
Troglio© can you do a video about a 1972 Goldtop LP deluxe? It's my favourite LP ever !!! Especially when routed for PAFs (inb4 Reeeeeeee)
Is the finish on the tribute models not a nitro finish? Something I read or heard recently lead me too believe that they are not a nitro finish. Thanks !
I think it would be cool if you showcased a Johnny A. model
I almost bought one last week. I’m still kind of kicking myself for not paying asking price as someone else got it
Mike is a very good player, but man, do something about that distorted sound, sounds like a Metal Zone through a Line 6 Spider
Are the pots 500 k?
Yippee I'm getting this one on Sunday 👌✅👍🔆☀️🌹
4:07 I have a few Gibsons with that type of back plate and all I get is static. My best solution (and results) is, painting the cavities with shielding. …Those new back plates are terrible.
I have the 2018 Tribute in the Honeyburst, and I love it to bits! I got it for just under $2000 AU, but I think it's because there's no wait relief on the 2018 model.
I actually really like the 490 set. The Lucille has that set. I have a set in a old Gretsch Committee and have had a 335 with them and they’re great for blues and Classic rock
Such a beauty! I would love a goldtop with mini humbuckers. Like a 68, or 69 tribute, whichever year that may be. I forget.
Hey buddy I’ve been watching your videos for ages, I love the content and I want to leave a comment about these guitars so please done take this personally..
These guitars suck.. the pickups sound awful, the pots don’t react as well as traditional pots.. I bought two of these the first had a cracked neck and the second one of the tuners just popped clean open and broke.. they feel incredibly cheap and binding is not that expensive to just do for the fans! Gretsch can do it on all of their guitars at £400 pride points.. these just sound and feel cheap.. at £1000 there are far far better guitars out there.. I bought a 2001 les Paul Standard burst for £1000 and it just destroys this guitar.. second hand on older models is the way to go but I feel Gibson need to ditch these things
And again no disrespect, you’re not what I’d called a master player, your more a collector.. you won’t feel the same benefits or notice the tonal differences the same way a very good player would.. these things just aren’t good. I’ve never even commented on one of your videos before but I hate these things.
Also for lefties, Gibson’s cheapo wilder free pot plate means the pots won’t be able to be flipped easily so lefties have to change out the entire thing. This is all very useful info for a consumer and not someone flipping guitars.
@@ilovemyeggs A bit arrogant are we not? Though you say no disrespect, I found you calling this man more of a collector than a guitar player in itself inconsiderate.
How do you know what he can feel about a guitar or notice what it has tone wise? Then to go on, in a roundabout way, to infer that you are some master or a very good player. If that is the case, I surely have never heard of you. There is a big difference between confidence and cockiness; one day you might learn that.
So in the end, you are suggesting that all the guitarists out in the world who bought these 2017 Tributes are fools, novices and have no idea what a good guitar is. From what I have read and seen about these Les Pauls, your opinion is one of a very minuscule minority.
You should do a review of the HP version of this guitar . I know the HP of this year get a lot of hate but both of mine play awesome would love to see your review on it
The 2017 Honey Burst I own is a dream; she has a sweet, warm tone, fantastic sustain and is an all-out wonderful guitar. I do not even miss the binding, gloss finish or the Gibson inlay of the higher priced models.
I own one (the Thomann exclusive Cherry Burst finish) and it's a great guitar
These were cool when you could get them for 750. Not cool anymore.
Por qué no venden esta guitarra en la Gibson actualmente :(?
I have a 2018 tribute faded honey and what sold me on buying it was how thick the finger board is.
I have one of these but it came with a brown leather gig bag that's extra plush
More toan!
I paid about $900 for my 2017 Tribute HP, I call that a score!!! :) A few things that I don't like, the fret ends are not rounded, they didn't use filler on the fretboard and it looked horribly dried when I got it, thankfully MusicNomad F-One oil made it look 1000 times better. The finish on the neck is a little sticky, which I sanded down slightly with 1000 grit but it still feels kinda sticky.
Yes I am look in for a gold top with a 60s neck. I have been since 1989
Does anyone ever play guitar on this channel?
They should have put 57 classics so it would do like a cheap 57 ressiue
Shame they aren’t routed for p90’s.
What did you have the multilmeter connected to? Great sounding guitar btw.
The "T" is not silent in the word, SATIN.
One day someday .. goldtop for sure 😭😭😭
I have this guitar and upgraded the case
Spoiler alert: pet odor (but it's been airing!)
I have the Honeyburst version. Love it to bits!
Thicker neck will add thicker tone.
The baseball bat necks.
No coil split?