How The Internet Fell Out of Love With Doja Cat
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Scarlet is the upcoming fourth studio album by American rapper and singer Doja Cat. It is set for release on September 22, 2023, through Kemosabe and RCA Records. Disillusioned with pop music and dissatisfied with music critics questioning her status as a rapper, Doja Cat felt inspired to create a "masculine" follow-up to her third studio album, Planet Her (2021). Musically, the record marks a departure from the pop-driven sounds of its predecessor, being predominantly centered around the genres of hip hop and R&B. 
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Great video as always! But I wanted to mention you forgot to link the video you shouted out at 8:35, I went to look for it after you mentioned it and nothing was there :(
Leave DOJA alone I dont listen to any of her comments i just follow her music so their is that. I'm not invested in her life...that is crazy but its how people are these days.
It’s really disappointing that the general public has regarded the most recent situation with Doja and her fans as an artist calling out parasocial issues when in reality, she responded very poorly to people rightfully calling her out for dating an alleged predator/abuser and was blocking fans online who were bringing a light to the situation.
But what if she's a victim too? 😢 you don't have to be underage to fall victim to an abuser and manipulator, that's what's also worrisome to me.
Ok but "alleged predator", why do y'all feel you HAVE the right to go online and tell a person you do not know "hey don't date him he is an ALLEGED PREDATOR". Call out your friend if you see her doing the same sis, not a person who does not know you at all. She said it, she doesn't care about having or not having fans, just leave the lady alone !!!! get a life !!!! get a job !!!!
THIS^^ I don’t give af that she’s bald now. I just hate her new persona and how she acts.
@@kseni_velybut she should know better to be rude too the victims because she’s an adult. With a fully functional brain.
@@DilfLover-py2fxbfr … y’all act like doja is the only one dating a sketchy partner … cancel culture isn’t as serious as it seems , some get passes and some don’t and facts is only a small majority of doja haters care about her relationship in fact the relationship thing. Mostly Is brought up after those crybabies fans are called out … y’all don’t know doja like that and facts is had she been someone y’all know in real life y’all would not give a single f and move on but her being a celeb means that every bone inside her closet need to be talked about wether or not we sure of what’s 100% going on , even if doja break up with him I don’t think she would be telling y’all !
It's just really weird watching her publically throw tantrums online because people don't like that she is dating a predator. If she wants people to focus on her music and not her personal life maybe she should stop having public tantrums on social media. You can't have it both ways.
The irony. Y'all are the ones having tantrums. Bunch of hall monitoring geeks.
@@yokaigypsyshes not paying you to defend her loser
She’s an internet troll. It’s in her being. She was raised by the internet. It’s embarrassing to watch.
@@yokaigypsyshe’s online all the time. Give her some credibility.
the entire Doja discourse upsets me every time I see it because everyone is like "omg you guys are so dumb for cancelling her over the Satanist thing and saying fuck you to her fans"
she? is? dating? a predator? and blocking? victims?
Lmao goonie
I remember hearing that she attended celebrity events during 2020 when the virus was at a strong point and when people on Twitter suggested she be tested first she replied in rude ways. Heard that one of them involved calling one of these people a nerd in the process just bc they gave stats on how bad the virus was at that time. However this was long ago so idk if receipts are floating around at this point.
But the thing is, most people are cancelling her because of those things, not because of her boyfriend.
Because, unless you're chronically online, most people really don't know about the boyfriend situation and nobody seems to report on that. Is more normal for people to catch up on her change of aesthetics when she's doing it everywhere and constantly posting about it in her social media and music.
This really feels like the 90's again, when everybody is upset about the celebrities doing things that "go against God" and using satanical (or just dark and weird) aesthetics, instead of critiquing those celebrities for the bad things they actually do.
If anything, her new persona feels more like a rebranding, that's actually she trying to hide other things she's going through. Does she want to be let go by her label and go back to a more independet feel? Because this "I hate my fans and my music" just feels overdone and not that honest.
@@corncobbob2326 love you
And as of also insulting her fans is ok? Like yeah we shouldn't let parasocial relationships get out of hand but I don't think insulting your fans subjective tastes is saying "don't assume I'm your best friend cause I'm not" however anyone saying she's probably going through shit and might need some help I agree with
People unfollowing her over her partner being a child predator and her going "now I defeated the beast (people accusing my partner of misconduct) and can reconnect with people who really matter and love me for who I am (someone with a child predator)" is fucking surreal.
And she got her first number 1 (with no features or sidekicks) without you goofy losers. I’m glad she gave those chronically online weirdos a reality check. Good riddance. Y’all will not be missed.
@@heiress. still a fan of her music, not a fan of the way she handled the situation. At the same time, as a wife I understand the need to stand up for your partner, and her bf has a history of being a repeated manipulator (to which he literally admitted and there's receits a plenty) so there's a big chance she's being manipulated herself. All the best to her and hope she sees through him asap
@@heiress.weird since her other songs was floppin demon and attention definitely payola.. that big beast is not her fans that shit her demons she need Jesus
@@heiress.i didn’t gaf when she was bald shavin her head and doin antics until she started acting all devilish those demonic antics just not it. She was actin like she was finna pop off with some Kendrick lyricism just to release music similar to her old shit. you can never really take her seriously even when she wants to be taken seriously. She’s like a walking contradiction. She’s very creative creative mv but she could’ve done this role out without all these demonic antics. She wanted to be controversial and have all the shock value in the world and she got it. Congratulations to her I hope selling her soul was worth a couple milli that will be useless in the afterlife.
she was saying it for every thing they didn't like about her. don't be an id.ot
She is dating a predator and gaslighting his victims. That says all about this person and I can't see how you can look past that. Like, are you for real?
Because as terrible as that is 1) we don’t know the whole story and 2) it does not affect us nearly as much as people say it does. I think you’re right about how it shouldn’t be overlooked, but kayla is not overlooking it. There’s a lot of discussion online about that aspect of the situation, but there are also other valid points worth bringing up. Especially because we flock to entertainers for their ability to provide material for us, not for their personal lives. I can’t lie and say I ever really cared about Doja’s history like that. A lot of people do, though, and are denouncing her because of how she moved forward in her relationship and the vehement defense of a predator. That being said I have seen literally no one mention the names of these victims or highlight their stories, nor to anything to aid these people or attempt to prevent situations like that happening again. It seems like ppl only care about condemnation, which, even if she may rightfully deserve it, doesn’t help the issue much.
@@holyfool5605i'm sorry, your points go out the window the second the situation is about a child predator. the only thing you had a little of a point on is "no one highlighting the victims". then again, i personally wouldn't want my name to be spread around in regards to my sexual abuse, so i don't spread their names around. but what else can people do? how is mentioning what he's done not highlighting anything enough? is it cause it's in doja's music's comments? sorry she's the famous one, i don't get enlightened centralists when they try to point out bad but aren't critical enough to offer a solution.
@@femalegays no, my points don't go out the window. what is anyone really doing? she's dating a predator and defending him. so i stopped listening to her music and giving her money, as did so many others. but people still went online to make hashtag threads about it, giving her publicity. people gave her publicity when her song leaked because they wanted to hear how bad it was. she's making money off of that kind of attention -- ofoff the terrible actions committed to those people and her defending that man. I'm bringing up a different perspective because i *understand* the OG comment -- what she's doing is egregious. i also want people to understand that kayla brings up good points, too. and like I said, people seem to care more about the condemnation than rectifying any mistakes.
i brought up the victims' stories because i thought that's why they confronted doja-- they wanted their stories to be known so he can be condemned. but i understand where you're coming from and it makes sense now that i haven't heard their names yet.
people seem to act like who they care about in this equation *are* the victims. no, people care about doja-- if this were a random predator with random victims people would care less. but it's specifically an outrage because doja cat is involved. I'm not an "enlightened centralist" for acknowledging that. and yes, i don't have any solutions either because i have no power in the situation. i think the only thing that can really be done about it is to stop acknowledging her. if you really want action petition music and fashion magazines to take her name down, write letters with signatures to record and magazine labels requesting an open condemnation. but the truth is shit like this is too common in the industry. there are movements happening out there and charities to donate to if you want change. talking about it until it trends on twitter for extended periods of time can only do so much.
that and posted a picture wearing a shirt of a school-shooting neo-nazi. when people noticed, she reposted the photo, cropping the shirt out of it, with the rolling eyes emoji as the caption.
her tweet saying
“I called a couple people f*ggots when I was in high school in 2015 does this mean I don't deserve support? I've said f*ggot roughly like 15 thousand times in my life. Does saying f*ggot mean you hate gay people? Do I hate gay people? I don't think I hate gay people. Gay is ok.”
still takes me out 5 years later LMAOO. like??
top tweets of all time tbh
she ate
she’s so unserious it’s amusing
@@jackielaurens its the way im not even a stan but i remember exactly where i was when i read that for the first time
I bet if everything youve ever said was broadcast to the world youd be considered a pos wouldnt you? Her reaction was appropriate and funny af.
I wish you touched on more about Dojas reaction to the substantial claims that came out about her boyfriend. That personally was where the line was drawn. Go on all the tantrums about your fans you want but dating a child predator is another level. Regardless I really loved your video and hearing your opinion.
feels weird to me that the melanie video was pretty much just the allegations and it's very absent from Doja's.
@@sundaliusum ok?? It wasn't just about the allegations? Did we see the same video? Kayla mostly talked about Melanie's career and then talked about the allegations in a matter of fact way
EDIT: Also like Kayla spent the same time talking about the shit around J. Cyrus as she did with the shit about Melanie Martinez in her video about Melanie so like?
No, no she didn't. Timothy was literally 1/3rd of the Melanie video. J. gets one minute and we go back to Doja being empowered by, quote, "reconnecting with the people who really matter" such as... J. Cyrus. @@devonmunn5728
I agree
Ppl like Doja do that because of the agenda. You can call me crazy, but there are many countries making incest legal. Balenciaga has done a photoshoot with children playing with erotic toys. It’s like they are pushing this until we get used to it and start to say p*dophilly is normal. I rlly hope Im wrong, but I don’t believe so
I’m always disappointed in RUclipsrs or just personalities I watch who support such racist and problematic artists… nobody cared or cancelled Doja when she was being blatantly racist to black people and black men specifically but the minute she got disrespectful with her “fans” it’s an issue
Oh thank god someone said something I thought I was going crazy
what racist things did she said?
@@cheesecake4648nothing they’re lying
Tbh part of me tho is just “eh” over it because artists using satanic/demonic imagery to be shocking is so done to death that’s it’s just not anymore, especially recently. Call Me By Your Name, Unholy, arguably even Portals, and now Demons and Paint The Town Red, like idk who told pop artists that some red LEDS means your scary and edgy but it’s not working except for 60 year old Fox new anchors, I don’t even think any of the aforementioned songs are bad, Call Me By Your Name is actually my 2nd favorite song from Lil Nas X, but idk it’s just so overdone. See: any metal song literally ever
I don't disagree with u, but with portals, isn't crybaby an angel??? I think they were going for a fantasy alien rock than demonic baddie thing
In Taylor terms, doja is more reputation and Melanie is more folklore/speak now
It’s honestly just becoming kind of cringe to me, at this point. Like, that was an easy way to drum up attention in the 80s and 90s, but barely anyone even cares anymore. It’s not edgy.
@@Njirimara I think they are referring to how people perceive her. crybaby might have been intended as an angel, but that wouldn't be very obvious. first time I saw her I thought she was an alien
@@i0xiaYI thought that crybaby was a faerie/demon lol
Crybaby isn't demonic, she's a faerie
As someone who's a passive fan of both artists, it was interesting to watch the Taylor Swift/Matty Healy and the Doja Cat/Jay Cyrus situations unfold within a couple of weeks of each other. I can't articulate it; it just goes to show how two artists can be in similar controversies, but with drastically different results. All due to how they navigate the politics of fame / the Internet, and their optics.
Well yeah plenty of other people also make questionable decisions and date people with shady parts. The difference is random people making those decisions aren't celebs with massive platforms. Of course you shouldn't expect them to be perfect little angels but people do have the right to question what kind of people a celeb chooses for romantic partners
@@devonmunn5728But they don't have the right to tell them what to do in their relationship. Stan culture is gross.
@@floppydicc I don't think "hey just letting you know your partner has done some fucked up shit" is them crossing a boundary. Like no one will actually force Doja to cut him off, that's all on her and she chose not to. Which is her decision by the end of the day. Stan culture has a fuckload of issues but people being concerned about a person with a massive platform dating a person who Kayla showed in the video has admitted to abusing women is not that
@@devonmunn5728 I'm not arguing against that at all! Especially with the likes of Matt and Jay. From the little I've heard/seen, YEEEEESH! 😬
I just think it's interesting to see how similar controversies within the same time frame had drastically different outcomes. Especially when you compare how they approached their respective controversial relationships, what they said/didn't say to their fans, their celebrity character, etc etc.
And race ofc. Let's not play dumb. Waiting for somebody to say "why you gotta fit race into everything 😒". The standards we demand of white people are way less harsh than what we demand for black people, and about what we expect about their accountability and ethics ofc.
Doja's success proves my point that Internet hate doesn't mean shit. I feel like a lot of the biggest names in music and film are really hated by online pop culture circles, but in the end, they're still selling out shows, topping the charts, and getting booked for high-paying roles. What they often don't realize is that these loud pop culture circles are a fraction of a fraction of the people who consume media. Often times, online hype is just that. Hype. I remember for like three or four years straight on Twitter, you couldn't go a single day without seeing somebody go viral saying how they couldn't wait for Bobby Shmurda to get freed from jail so that he could get back to the studio and make more music. Sure enough, he gets freed, released music almost immediately, and no one gave a fuck. All that talk and buildup for nothing. Same goes in the opposite direction for Doja Cat or Harry Styles or Morgan Wallen or whoever pop culture circles online hate this week. As long as the hits keep rolling, nothing they say or do will have any effect on these people at all
The topping charts despite hate is due to labels paying for musicians to play on the radio 24/7 until you like their work. It’s simple like this. If you have payola, you’ll chart. If you’re the most talented musician with the catchiest songs in the world without a label, you will not exist on Billboard and ppl will call you a “flop”
@@Liam-xf5tv Oh please. She's touring arenas and virtually all of the shows are sold out. Did the label pay for that too?
Also, if it was so easy for labels to just use payola for their artists, then why do we see huge names flopping left, right, front and center all the time? Katy Perry had 9 #1 hits and then tanked afterwards. Selena Gomez gets a ton of radio play but her new single isn't doing shit. Miley Cyrus had a smash with Flowers, but none of her songs afterwards stuck and she's had almost two decades of industry support. Labels can't save music no one likes. People like Doja's music whether the internet wants to acknowledge it or not. Nothing deeper than that
@@cityboy2092 Calm down bro, Im not saying her music isn’t good and that she doesn’t have her merits. Of course payola doesn’t work if the songs are not appealing. On the other hand if the songs are minimally appealing and you have payola, you will chart, that’s a fact. Look at the whole cardi b trend in 2018, she would sell arenas and yall would die for that woman at that time, now y’all know the label payed for her to play on the radio until you liked that song. If Olivia Rodrigo didnt appear on Spotify 24/7 when she released drivers license, y’all would say she is just a normal alternative artist. On the other hand you see absolute viral bangers of independent artists that everyone knows, but no one has seen on charts. Ppl don’t like cardi songs anymore, but she still always on the hot 100, even though not in the same high position. Payola is not everything, but it’s the most important, that’s why I don’t see charts as a reliable measure, but y’all keep believing it’s a translation of “public opinion”.
@@Liam-xf5tv actually, limp bizkit is proof payola can do A LOT even if the music is crap 🤣
im so annoyed at this situation. i honesty love dojas rebrand, and i think its perfect for her. i wish more artists made their image for them instead of a studio. but i dont love how she's dating a predator. people seem to have forgotten what the issue was in the first place.
Rebranding into a bitch…great career move
Plus her insulting her fans. Her trying to rebrand and do what she wants to do? No problem but doing that is unnecessary
@@devonmunn5728I disagree the fans need to stop the fandom mentality look at what happened to colleen ballinger
@@IAMWILVER Colleen being inappropriate with her fans is nowhere near the same. Colleen crossed boundaries where she as a grown adult should have known better. Doja being rude over resentment for how her career has gone as well as entitlement from some fans isn't the same as Colleen crossing boundaries and being inappropriate
@@devonmunn5728shes literally defendinf her sexual predator boyfriend who did worse than colleen
Doja is very publicly going through her pick me girl phase. Its...🤢 its bad. I was a fan of hers when she was just an indie rapper and seeing her just devolve over time has been sad to watch.
I think what people should understand is that, Doja is an adult. she is not going to unpack her reasons for lashing out, accept that her boyfriend has sexually traumatized multiple women or her blame shifting her unwillingness to take accountability to her fans’ parasocial relationship w/ her.
whether she addresses her behavior & grow as a person or continue letting her antagonistic feelings get in her own way, is up to her. me commenting on her instagram won’t kickstart introspection.
‘accept that her boyfriend has sexually traumatised multiple woman’ is a crazy statement. Just because she is an adult doesn’t mean we should just take whatever she does and go ‘oh well😁’ no??? Why should we accept it?? That’s how they get away with it???
I'm not a fan, but I like some of her songs. And I leave it at that. I think that's the healthiest way to approach any artist.
Doja cat is definitely messy as hell to put it mildly. I've been following her music since the Purrr EP dropped but didn't keep up with her socials, I heard most news of her antics second hand. So I'm not that invested in all of it. There is a strong case to be made of the parasocial relationships that her stans have had with her that she has also been feeding into by being a terminally online persona. Twitter mobs blow things out of proportion when they dig up old tweets for dirt and attempt to cancel celebs who may have grown and changed their stance on things since then, especially when they were young when the tweets were made. I think eagerly keeping tabs on who a celebrity is dating also falls into the same realm of paparazzi-like insanity. At least paps get paid for it. Doja is not the first celeb to date a known sexual predator/abuser or be one and the other celebs who got 'cancelled' over it still have strong fanbases and careers. So fans yelling at her online about it is not going to change things. She's also not the first celeb to not be nice to fans, but at least she is upfront about it. I'm not saying any of this in defense of Doja. I really do think she doubles down too much and contradicts herself, instead of just acknowledging, apologizing and moving on. I have a suspicion she does a lot of the unsavory things on purpose to troll people in an attempt to get attention or manufacture outrage. Ultimately, she is just being a shrewd businesswoman. If Taylor Swift for example has perfected her persona of being the 'good girl' and 'America's sweetheart', it looks like Doja wants to go the opposite direction of being 'The Devil'. It might be the persona the industry wants her to take or one she wants for herself post her conformist pop girl era/has always wanted or a combination of all of that. Speaking of which, using satanic imagery in music is so uninspired at this point that the fact that people are getting their panties in a twist and having a satanic panic over her music is hilarious.
It is nice to see a nuanced perspective of this. We do live in a culture in which celebs aren't seen as human and were we have a voyeuristic need to know everything about them which we all know has been a thing for years but that you also don't completely say that the fans online are all in the wrong. I do hope that she does eventually sort out her issues
With the recent controversy of her wearing a shirt with a neonazi on it, things aren't looking good for her 😅
I think the ability to understand where someone is coming from is not the same as supporting someone. You can have empathy for someone who is not handling unwanted fame while still condemning them for their racist and insensitive actions. Same thing for music: its popularity is NOT a counter to her behavior
I was a huge doja fan and even bought tickets to the Scarlet Tour. After all her mess, I sold my tickets and didn’t stream the album
Same I sold them to 😢
That was dumb. You should've returned them.
I have a feeling it's her label that's making her act this way. If she hated her past two albums, it's because it was her label that tried to push her to become a main pop girl, and they might be letting her do what she wants now, but i feel like once the album falls out of grace, the label will have a reason to keep a tighter grip on her. She's trying to ruin her career so they will want to drop her, but they'll use it as a "See? We let you do what you wanted and it didn't sell. We're taking the wheel again."
Firstly, I'd just like to point out that if this "I don't give a fuck 'bout none of you bitches" attitude resulted in Doja Cat flopping all over the place (which, you don't have to tell me how ridiculous that sounds; I already know), she would be changing her tune VERY quickly.
Just sayin'.
Secondly, I'm fucking bored.
I don't fucking care that Doja Cat wants to lean into an edgy image with a more hip hop/trap leaning sound; that's her fucking business. I'mma either like or I'm not. And I rly don't think that's the problem here. Tbh, I don't think most of her fans care about that, because the singles from Scarlet have done pretty well, so far. What I care about is the fact that Doja Cat flipped out on her fans for calling her out for associating with a known predator. And I feel like every time we have a discussion about this, everyone wants to discuss everything but that.
And like, maybe this is a controversial opinion, but your actions still matter, even if you're a celebrity. ie You do some nasty shit (like, idk, associating with a known fucking predator) and people are gonna comment on it. If I can get cussed out on Twitter for saying K-Pop Group A is better than K-Pop Group B (even though I have less than 48 followers), then Amala can fucking deal with people telling her it's not cool that her boyfriend (or whatever the fuck that dude is to her) is a creep.
mk Regina🥱
The funniest thing about the current Satanic Panic Version 2 we have going on right now is that the people losing their minds about “all the satan worshippers in Hollywood” are so fucking checked out of popular culture that they don’t even see that it’s all mocking them. Whether it’s Lil Nas X, Sam Smith, or Doja Cat, they’re all making fun of the people who think “satanism” is actual thing that exists in reality lmao
Satanism is real, but it's not the bastardized Christian version.
Lil Nas X - Obvious marketing stunt
Sam Smith - Same marketing stunt, but more low effort
Doja Cat - Same marketing stunt again, but with some actual risk involved (She named the album "Hellmouth" then immediately started antagonizing her fans on social media, and they were too dumb to see through it).
@@mariokarter13 It gets people talking.
@@mariokarter13 I think that's part of the reason why she received some initial backlash on the album. Her interpretation of the demon aesthetic is great, but it's a tired old trick that has been used by several other mainstream artists in the past year alone.
Tbh, I think her antagonizing her fans is kind of genuine, but she knows she'll be able to backtrack and say it was an alter ego or a PR stunt.
@@mariokarter13with lil nas, it was partly a marketing stunt, but in the montero music video him giving satan a lap dance was part of the theme and metaphor of the video itself. it wasn't all just marketing.
>Named the album "Hellmouth"
>Immediately starts antagonizing fans on social media
This is the most transparent marketing stunt I've seen in a while, yet people are still falling for it.
She..... planned for people to start tweeting about her predator boyfriend?
@@ruminationstation4200 lol nope
I listened to her new album and I’m way more of a pop girly type like her old stuff but a consistent feeling I saw in reviews was she was losing the IDGAF war by making a whole album about how she doesn’t care.
I love this series and how you analyze how much the internet has impacted the way we see famous people. I've strayed away from Twitter lately because it has become such a mind-numbing echo chamber of discourse, so this is a good way for me to stay in the loop without feeling like my brain is melting 😅
I feel that she still has a group of people that still stand behind her. And to my knowledge, she'll be on tour soon; I wouldn't be surprised if she still pulled good numbers.
i would love to see you do a video of how the internet fell out of love with the 1975/matty healy...i remember growing up they were so huge on tumblr and so sought after and even a little in 2021 but now it's like you can't touch them with a ten foot pole. love your content and can't wait to see what you do next!
I've considered myself a passive fan at most - but I definitely see manic themes and behavior with the way she interacts on these lives (very similar to the Kanye aspect of fame). I wish someone would do a youtube video talking about artists who lean into mania/bizarre behavior as an "outlet" for their creativity....
I’m not into Doja but I think she’s a really good example of someone who is connecting a little TOO much with her fans.
Kayla. YES 100% YES TO THIS! Thank you!!! ❤
binge watching your videos, i love your voice and editing and everything ( i have adhd but im actually able to like pick up and fully watch the whole thing and actually get sad when the video is over)
This is the thousandth video about Doja I’ve seen this month but imma still support u lol
i find it intersting that although the internet supposedly 'fell out of love' with her, she still went number 1
Number 1 with what?
@@sxwx6567 paint the town red, went number 1 on the billboard hot 100
@@sxwx6567Paint The Town Red
@@sxwx6567on the Billboards last week
@@sxwx6567her new music releases
this video is so well-made, the script is grat and so it the research. i've been thinking about bo burnham since i saw the clip of her sayind "im not your friend" and you actually referenced him and i was so happy!!! lmao
i’ve had my piece packed all day for this i’m so excited
On that one isolated rant, I think good for her. Stans can be toxic AF, they can be hateful and cruel; and she doesn’t owe them anything BUT mocking her fans for buying her music is plain awful.
The last segment of this video was the icing on the cake - so well said
No one asked, but imma say it anyways: My problem with Doja is that I feel as if nothing she does is really genuine. It's all for attention. Which makes sense considering she is an ex 4chan incel. There's tons of artists who've shut down the parasocial relationship and just do what they do because they love the art, and it works. But with Doja Cat...idk. like if you really hate the parasocial relationship, stop tweeting, don't do all the extra stuff like livestreaming, literally delete social media and focus on music like how you say you wanna do. It's all talk no show with her, and boy does she talk big. I was never a Doja Cat fan, but I did like a couple of her songs. Now though, I don't even enjoy listening to the songs I liked because she called everyone stupid for falling for the cash grabs. Like sis, why are you trying to make ppl feel guilty and ashamed for liking a song? I want no part in anything she creates because I simply don't respect immature artists.
Deep cut but I would love a “why everyone hates Andrew loyd webber”
Omg please
he's such a strange evil little man
what i love the most about your channel is exactlly how you are sincere and raw with your opinions , i dont always agree with you, but always respect your point! I love doja since moo, she is my lesbian crush since then hahaha
Thanks for the video!
Wonderful video. Congrats!
To me, the preeeequel to all the turmoil surrounding her public image (we cannot even say downfall because PTTR is at the top of Hot 100) started all the way back at the 2021 Paraguay Lollapalooza collapse where she treated poorly nearly all staff working for her and with a very uppity over-the-shoulder look (even telling people to not look at her in the eyes) and never showing up to the fans on 2 different days who had been camping out of her hotel (not AT THE DOOR but you know, within proximity) for over a week, prior to the show obviously getting cancelled due to a massive flood that unfortunately took place. Something shifted within her psyche that day. She acted VERY erratic on twitter, entered a hiatus, blamed the fans, fake-pumped to go into retirement ¿doesn't all this sound like it could be happening right now? She handled that situation EXTREMELY poorly - and do not try to justify any of her behavior if you were born in the US, the Commonwealth countries or Europe, your privileged ass is not a part of this conversation - but it was the first visual glimpse at how "done" and "tired" she was with the fans, her fans, the "entitlement" of her fans, the parasocial relationships and all that jush. That weekend really tipped something inside her when it came to her perception of fans and the public, and as time went by, her stance only gained strength and power, even moreso boosted with well her dating a whole ass abuser and allat.
I will say that her entire Scarlet/demonic act for this era I find it interesting and is clearly well-thought and intelligent, she assumes a position in a hyperbolic way because _she sees it_ as "she was thrusted into that position", as in 'oh you wanna demonize me? i'm gonna show you what a demon is", pretty much like Nicki with Chun-Li but you know more pompously thought-out.
Thanks for bringing this up. Never heard of it until this comment
Omg this is awful. Had no idea she treated my Latinx siblings like this I'm appalled.
we stand with latin america fans. stop justifying shitty behavior in the name of first world INDIVIDUALISM and PRIVACY
Yessss finally someone brought it up!!
@@yiningfan4642”stop justifying shitty behavior in the same of privacy” - wtf? Did you just try to string together some buzzwords and make that word salad?
I enjoyed this vid a lot
This may seem like an out-of-pocket choice for this series. As the internet didn't fall out of love of him in the "traditional sense", but I'd love to see a deep dive done into Darren Criss. And especially the long list of accused controversies and problematic behavior that many parts of the internet have called him out for. (I mean, he has one of those "YOUR FAV IS PROBLEMATIC" posts on Tumblr.)
she got too much documented racism to let it slide
Honestly as someone who listens to Doja, I accept that celebrities are messy and most of them if not all actually suck irl.
I don't hold her on a pedestal nor do I seek to drag her down.
Her music sounds nice and she's obviously going through it.
And I feel like this might actually be the type of fan she wants.
Because she seems like she's got issues that all this attention exasperates.
I feel like Doja Cat can be easily compared to Tyler, The Creator. Both started out as one of the millions of SoundCloud rappers that filled their respective niches in the late 2000's/ early 2010's, made music for their fans for a while, before splitting off and doing something more self fulfilling. The difference is in their reception, and while I believe records like Flowerboy, CMIYGL and especially IGOR are generally of a higher quality than Doja Cat's newer style, I feel like a lot of it does come down to plain old sexism. You see this a lot if you start looking, like the Taylor Swift and Kanye drama, where a lot of people side with Kanye even though he was both objectively in the wrong and literally opening for her in an award show.
I'd like to acknowledge my bias towards Tyler as IGOR and CMIYGL are two of my favorite albums of all time but I feel like my point still stands.
I've seen this video in my recommended several times and every time it has a different thumbnail I feel like I'm losing my mind
Here we gooooo ❤
for the next HTIFoL video could u do RuPaul? I feel like a lot of drag race fans LOVE his show but not Ru himself
Why? What did RuPaul do?
Dude what made her popular is musicality, originality and being gorgeous. Not her fans. People admire those traits
Soooo what is she popular with? Sea turtles? Paper cups? Sand? NO. SHE'S POPULAR WITH HUMAN BEINGS WHO LITERALLY MAKE HER FAMOUS.
Crazy how when other celebs like Taylor Swift dated a guy who literally admited to getting off on videos of Black women being abused..people are okay with calling her out. But when Doja is dating a man who 'allegedly' raped Black women..then people wanna come to her defense. 😐🤦🏾♀️
Well Taylor Swift did have her fans defend her because they felt like people were not being fair to her which like yeah those were his actions but if you choose to date someone who has done bad shit (and im speaking generally here) i don't see it as a wild guess for some to question your character and now she and Matty Healy have separated due to other reasons
monitor in the background hooked up to nothing. thass some backroom shit
Clearly her strategy to blow-up ‘Her Planet’ and make it easy-listening compared to her nonsensical lyrics on her latest bland album, it worked.
A few if not a lot of catchy tracks on ‘Her Planet’ plus the collabs reeled-in plenty of people.
Kudos to her.
Not to be a huge weirdo but is the photo strip on the left of the screen from The Woo Woo?? I have visited with friends quite a few times and have a few of those same photo strips in my apartment as well 😂 love that spot
omg yes it is lol I went with some friends a few weeks ago
I've watched 2 of your videos and you seem to consistently say basically that black/white/asian people should only dress/act a specific way based on their race. The idea of "cultural appropriation" is actually offensive to some so-called "POC" like myself. Quit putting people in boxes based on skin color. I'm biracial so what am I allowed to wear, fix my makeup, hair?
SHES DEFENDING A SERIAL PREDATOR wtf why does this video focus on the tiny bs, what world do we live in
Two things
First, I personally never liked Doja or her music
Second, there’s one thing you didn’t mention; while it didn’t gain much controversy for the time, she has mocked Amber Heard’s abuse testimony at least once (somewhat foreshadowing to when she dated a predator and defended herself for it)
i’m pretty sure everybody mocked amber heard
Lol you're on her side? 🤡
not u trying to start new drama byee, hamberhearg stan??
i loved her eras tour
I don't know. People were warning her about him and she didn't defend him, she just said people shouldn't care about her life like that because it won't change anything. "Oh she blocked a victim" that's her problem, not the fans'. Expecting pure morality out of everyone that makes something you like is asinine. People make mistakes, she made hers (and it WAS just a mistake, not some criminal offense) and she had her backlash and is now living with it. What more could you possibly want?
We'd never
lol her music continues and her views are up she still is an artist
I know this video mostly focused on doja herself but i'm kinda surprised you didn't mention haley sharpe/the say so dance at all. Also agree with the comments that I wish you would've focused a bit more on her response to her bf's SA allegations. You brought up some great points though and this video definitely made me see her perspective more.
If people really hate a celebrity, stop listening to their music or watching their stuff. They won’t care regardless
Doja is the first celebrity to enact her individuality after years of celebrities saying “I owe this to you!” She lets us know that she is just a regular person with a big audience. She does not owe us anything.
love your videos but this is such a disappointing take. so many serious issues were either brushed over or not talked about at all, and this video seems more like it’s coming in defense of her actions and not actually talking about why people don’t like her.
Oof, Doja showed up in my algorithm with Go To Town in March 2018. I remember the backlash during quarantine about her chats and n word usage.
She's always been the same. Will always enjoy her art
I love her
alt title: how you changed the thumbnail for this video 3 times already
Doja Cat isn't above criticism, but it's surreal that one of her first viral hits was a thirst trap shitpost, and then had the expectation of being a role model kind of forced onto her. That doesn't absolve her of anything, but it represents a misunderstanding of the type of artist she is, and the fact that much of her persona developed from fending off against edgelords online tells us that she probably defies traditional methods of shame that might work for most other people.
You forgot about "paraguaygate" lol where she single-handledly lost a lot of latin american support for not showing up at a window and say hi. That was a fun day on the internet xD
meanwhile, eggplant frog is sitting down on the bed. just vibing. not a care in the world. can you give them a lil hug for me please??💜🍆🐸
🫂
I feel like the more popular you are, the more people will let you get away with shit! Especially, if the music is good
15:51 please do a commentary on this??? Only if the viewers want it 😅
Thank you for this one because I didn’t know anything about her
17:42 periodt
yeah i don't pity her lol she can live on a private island and disappear forever if she wanted
do a vid on azealia banks it would be funny
That would be interesting
I hope this mentions the Paraguay thing
Didn't even know about that until someone else in the comments mentioned it
What Paraguay thing? /gen
Her 4chan self-posts are hilarious and iconic honestly, desperate hilarious lolcow behaviour (think she even used one of the banners in the video lmao). tbf a lot of people who got on the internet in past times got into 4chan (if you weren't on myspace you were there if you used the internet as a kid) and spending enough time around hate as a brown/black kid + being a woman on the site that incels and other misogynists love can go a few ways from hardening you (in some cases too much) to turning you into a pick-me "one of the good ones" type. Not totally excusing it but Doja hasn't really had the chance to grow yet cause the fame is locking her into that phase, especially as she's not being allowed to get it out of her system while the studio is blocking her into particular sounds.
It's an embarrassing phase and I hope she grows out of it soon and goes to one of the female-only chan boards that bans raceposting instead
We didn't
I think the kick from her poppy albums gave her a good rush and this is her way of trying to hit it big again.The little slow-down must have felt a bit spooky after being on TOP for this long. So here she is trying to use shock value. So yes, she is a bit of a cringy edge-lord because everything she said people already knew. It's is so, so low of her to flat out go off at her fans and treat them as brainless puppets who need to be told basic things. As soon as this flops she will either go back to what it was, show her authentic self as she used to at the beginning or this is gonna be it. She will become a forever cringy edge-lord. Kinda like Madonna who still doesn't know when to quit. It's honestly just sad to watch.
Why are you sponsored by a vape 😭😭😭
The images look ai-generated too 😭.
hot pink > planet her
the best vma performance of the night was definitely shakira, not doja cat.
I feel like you really glossed over the dating a known predator and the white supremacy stuff.
They literally linked to a video on it by a Black person tho. 😤
@13:36 exactly
Do Lady Gaga circa 2013!
“Rich Men North Of Richmond” was better than any of this.
I came looking for this comment lol I was so offended, that she popped it up on the screen dubbing it "worst to chart this year"
I really don't like these Fum ads... they're so ridiculously expensive and honestly it's just stupid to get one when a disposable is 20$
Doja is basically Azalea Banks if she were commercially successful and also more evasive/better at hiding her controversies
I stop become a hard love fan for her, i buy her albums. Merch. I just listen to her song and said "yea ok good" but dont adore her that hard anymore. I like her music but it was seems like never personal to her. She just like it. Like being adore. But then hate it like.. ok then ill just listen to her music. I stop buying albums too.. idk.. i prefer just listen to spotify and youtube instead.
This video is interesting. She has fallen out of favor and now come back into it by feeding into what made her fall out of favor.
Like, Doja beat the cancel system by doing one thing that most don’t: Making good art.
Looks like she indeed deserves him. Just let her walk down her own path 🤷🏻♀️
Agreed! Hot pink > planet her
Doja was NOT just some small, undiscovered internet meme. She was trying to break into the industry for years. False information. Give her credits where they are due.
Algorithm
If i get famous I'll like Kayla says make video about my downfall