My understanding of the reason the rope was given back is because it was expected that you never stop bringing more cows or goats. As a sign of the opened relationship that endures on and on
The Luo of Sudan/Lower Egypt including the Luo-Bor,Luo-Jur Chol and Luo-Balanda have at least 1000 clans which represent the historical Nilotic Luo federal system of governance . Other Nilotic groups like the Maasai of Kenya and Tanzania also maintain clan system(kinship) . The Luo of Kenya have at least 35-47 distinct clans some of which spread into Tanganyika . The Luo-padhola of Uganda have at least 60 clans with 20 assimilated clans .
At least 4-5million Luo in Tanganyika,5-6million Luo in Kenya, At least 8million Luo-Alur spread across DRC Congo and Uganda and millions other Luo groups across East, Central, North/North-East Africa etc .
I think the rope was a symbol that the dowry was accepted. My second thought could be to accept the blessings from the in-laws because the wazee who took the cows there cannot branch to their house with the ropes before delivering the ropes. I remember mine the wazeee had to bring the ropes to my house at 11:30pm when they arrived, because it was a far place. Awendo, Migori to Ugenya is very far and they left the in-laws place at 7pm.
As a Rwandan Tutsi, one thing that struck me with one of the real estate agents I have for a project in Nairobi was when I visited him and his family. They proudly identified as Luo, but after meeting them all, I couldn't distinguish them from the average East African Bantu. For example, Ugandan Bahima and Burundian/Rwandan Tutsi are genetically Cushitic (Southern Cushites), yet we speak a local Great Lakes Bantu language, Kinyarwanda, which we adopted from the agricultural Bairu/Hutu. Have the modern Luo people, though Nilotic speakers, assimilated so much through intermarriage with Luhyas and Kikuyus that they have essentially become Bantus? Kalenjin, for example, look and behave quite differently, much closer to the archetypal Nilotes, like the Nuer and Dinka, in terms of phenotype, physique, and culture.
The Nilotic Luo are diasporic(at least 20-25million spread out at least 9-12 territories including Tanzania, Uganda, Kenya ,DRC Congo, Chad, Central Africa Republic, Sudan/Lower Egypt, Ethiopia Gambella/Eritrea, Cameroon Luo- Bantu assimilated by late 1990's) and settled thousands years with skilled warriors(e.g Owiny,Adhola Obando Mumbo, Ogutu Kipapi, Lela Kabanda, Tawo Kogot, Onyango Randar, Oracha Rambo, Lwanda Magere and others) through conquest, intermarriage and assimilation e.g Luo-Suba in Kenya, Tanzania and Luo-Babito/Luo-Langi/Luo-Kumam in Uganda with tendencies for large families thanks to history of polygamy in the past like all other AFRO groups .
Other Assimilated groups in Kenya and Tanzania included Luo-Marachi(Abamarachi),Luo-Wasweta(Abasweta),Luo-Kavirondo(Abarondo),Luo-Kanjuro(Abanjuro),Luo-Mikiria(Abakiria),Luo-Basi(Ababasi),Luo-Mugirango(Abagirango) . The Kavirondo were the original occupants of the L.Victoria region in Western Kenya before Luo occupation and assimilation .
The Luo conquered several kingdoms in the past through their southward movement and contributed to banyarwanda tutsi southwest movement to present day Rwanda/Congo, influencing rulership for Luo-babito under Bunyoro Kitara and Baganda Kingdoms in Uganda .
Kenya Luo proper(Kenya Nationalist Tom Mboya, VP Oginga Odinga ,Lawyer Argwings Kodhek,OBAMA ,LUPITA NYONGO ),Luo-Suba . Tanzania Luo proper(Timothy Apiyo, head of public service and Chief secretary under president Julius Nyerere), Luo-Suba,Luo-Wasweta,Luo-Mukisero .
Uganda Luo-Langi(President Milton Obote, Army chief of staff Gen David Oyite Ojok, Gen Smith Acak Opon, Lt Col John Charles Ogole, zanzibar liberator John Gideon Okello , united Tanganyika+Zanzibar=Tanzania) .
Yes, maro is the Queen. And if maro was bad mannered or stupid it will be one of the step-mothers or aunties to would be charged with a ladies' affair. Someone told me this is where "ifuo ka meru" came from. That rope doesn't belong to the bride's home. If it ever remained at the inlaws, it will be as if the groom didn't give the bull. You must symbolically take it back and use it on the bride's first chiaye when she reports to her matrimonial home.
In Sudan/Lower Egypt along the Nile the Luo-Shilluk Kingdom under Reth in 639-645AD fought the Turco-Egyptian rulers of Egypt and conducted raids on the Arab north therefore slavery did not advance southward into East Africa . The Dinka,Luo and Nuer created fierce warrior classes and these conflicts spilled over into modern times with the first Sudan civil war(1955-1971) known as Anyanya I rebellion against Arab North .
When the Arabs conquered Egypt in 639 to 649 AD they attempted to advance Southwards into Sudan but were stopped by Nilotic and Nilo-Saharan groups hence slavery did not spread into the interior like in West Africa .
Portuguese managed to capture slaves in Angola and Congo but were unable to spread into the interior where hostile Nilotic groups such as the Dinka, Nuer, Maasai, Turkana, Toposa, Luo, Karamoja existed in North East and East Africa .
In the coasts of Kenya , Tanganyika and Zanzibar Arab slave traders led by Tipu Tip occasionally raided the interior East Africa and captured the Bantu Akamba and Ameru and coastal groups such as Mijikenda but the resistance limited widespread enslavement like happened in West and Central Africa .
Kikombe, assimilation into the Luo was a function of the Luo women. Subas was assimilated because of the Luo Women. Kanyamwa came from Nyar Mwa (A maragoli woman)
The Nilotic Luo(OBAMA father,LUPITA NYONGO Groups) invasion of Bunyoro Kitara in the 14th and 15th century effectively ended any forms of slavery or slave trade in Uganda . The Luo are diasporic(at least 20-25+ million Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda, DRC Congo, Sudan/Lower Egypt,Ethiopia Gambella/Eritrea,Chad,Central Africa Republic,Cameroon Luo bantu assimilated by late 1990s) and like other Nilotic groups such as Dinka and Nuer resisted the advancement of Arab slavery in ancient and modern times .
The North East and East Africa region was dominated by Nilotic, Nilo-Saharan, Nilo-Cushitic and Cushitic groups before Bantu migrations into the region from Central Africa including the Congo . Nilotic groups such as the Maasai, Luo, Dinka, Nuer, Nyamanga, Turkana, Karamoja, Toposa etc did not practice slavery and shunned slavery or resisted enslavement and some Nilotic Kingdoms in Sudan/Egypt, Ethiopia and Uganda stopped slavery .
In Uganda pockets of slavery existed among the Bantu Bachwezi rulers of Bunyoro Kitara Kingdom and Bantu Buganda . Unlike Nomadic Nilotic cattle keepers the Bantu practice farming and therefore white slave traders see this as a premium like the rice farmers captured from Sierra Leone and Guinea for North and South Carolina rice farms hence the Gullah Geechee .
The Luo-Babito rulers would then rule over Bunyoro Kitara Kingdom for 400 to 500 years until 1967-1971 when it was stopped by the Uganda government and later also under Idi Amin . The Nilotic Luo also influenced ruler-ship for the Buganda Kingdom . Buganda’s Kabaka Mutesa has acknowledged Nilotic Luo ancestry .
President Theodore Roosevelt would then Visit Buganda in 1909 and was impressed by the egalitarian and democratic social organization among the Buganda Kingdom which he presented to US Congress and UK house of commons for emulation .
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My understanding of the reason the rope was given back is because it was expected that you never stop bringing more cows or goats. As a sign of the opened relationship that endures on and on
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The Luo of Sudan/Lower Egypt including the Luo-Bor,Luo-Jur Chol and Luo-Balanda have at least 1000 clans which represent the historical Nilotic Luo federal system of governance .
Other Nilotic groups like the Maasai of Kenya and Tanzania also maintain clan system(kinship) . The Luo of Kenya have at least 35-47 distinct clans some of which spread into Tanganyika .
The Luo-padhola of Uganda have at least 60 clans with 20 assimilated clans .
At least 4-5million Luo in Tanganyika,5-6million Luo in Kenya, At least 8million Luo-Alur spread across DRC Congo and Uganda and millions other Luo groups across East, Central, North/North-East Africa etc .
Luo people of Aegen and Abu simbel are found in the border of Sudan and Egypt .
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I think the rope was a symbol that the dowry was accepted. My second thought could be to accept the blessings from the in-laws because the wazee who took the cows there cannot branch to their house with the ropes before delivering the ropes. I remember mine the wazeee had to bring the ropes to my house at 11:30pm when they arrived, because it was a far place. Awendo, Migori to Ugenya is very far and they left the in-laws place at 7pm.
This is such a powerful part of Luo culture. Ero kamano
As a Rwandan Tutsi, one thing that struck me with one of the real estate agents I have for a project in Nairobi was when I visited him and his family. They proudly identified as Luo, but after meeting them all, I couldn't distinguish them from the average East African Bantu.
For example, Ugandan Bahima and Burundian/Rwandan Tutsi are genetically Cushitic (Southern Cushites), yet we speak a local Great Lakes Bantu language, Kinyarwanda, which we adopted from the agricultural Bairu/Hutu.
Have the modern Luo people, though Nilotic speakers, assimilated so much through intermarriage with Luhyas and Kikuyus that they have essentially become Bantus? Kalenjin, for example, look and behave quite differently, much closer to the archetypal Nilotes, like the Nuer and Dinka, in terms of phenotype, physique, and culture.
The Nilotic Luo are diasporic(at least 20-25million spread out at least 9-12 territories including Tanzania, Uganda, Kenya ,DRC Congo, Chad, Central Africa Republic, Sudan/Lower Egypt, Ethiopia Gambella/Eritrea, Cameroon Luo- Bantu assimilated by late 1990's) and settled thousands years with skilled warriors(e.g Owiny,Adhola Obando Mumbo, Ogutu Kipapi, Lela Kabanda, Tawo Kogot, Onyango Randar, Oracha Rambo, Lwanda Magere and others) through conquest, intermarriage and assimilation e.g Luo-Suba in Kenya, Tanzania and Luo-Babito/Luo-Langi/Luo-Kumam in Uganda with tendencies for large families thanks to history of polygamy in the past like all other AFRO groups .
Other Assimilated groups in Kenya and Tanzania included Luo-Marachi(Abamarachi),Luo-Wasweta(Abasweta),Luo-Kavirondo(Abarondo),Luo-Kanjuro(Abanjuro),Luo-Mikiria(Abakiria),Luo-Basi(Ababasi),Luo-Mugirango(Abagirango) .
The Kavirondo were the original occupants of the L.Victoria region in Western Kenya before Luo occupation and assimilation .
The Luo conquered several kingdoms in the past through their southward movement and contributed to banyarwanda tutsi southwest movement to present day Rwanda/Congo, influencing rulership for Luo-babito under Bunyoro Kitara and Baganda Kingdoms in Uganda .
Kenya Luo proper(Kenya Nationalist Tom Mboya, VP Oginga Odinga ,Lawyer Argwings Kodhek,OBAMA ,LUPITA NYONGO ),Luo-Suba .
Tanzania Luo proper(Timothy Apiyo, head of public service and Chief secretary under president Julius Nyerere), Luo-Suba,Luo-Wasweta,Luo-Mukisero .
Uganda Luo-Langi(President Milton Obote, Army chief of staff Gen David Oyite Ojok, Gen Smith Acak Opon, Lt Col John Charles Ogole, zanzibar liberator John Gideon Okello , united Tanganyika+Zanzibar=Tanzania) .
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Yes, maro is the Queen. And if maro was bad mannered or stupid it will be one of the step-mothers or aunties to would be charged with a ladies' affair. Someone told me this is where "ifuo ka meru" came from.
That rope doesn't belong to the bride's home. If it ever remained at the inlaws, it will be as if the groom didn't give the bull. You must symbolically take it back and use it on the bride's first chiaye when she reports to her matrimonial home.
interesting about the rope! Also, Maro was revered, but sometimes that power could pinch the wrong nerve of her brain lol
Bunyoro Kitara under Luo-Babito stopped the spread of slavery into Uganda and resisted British Colonialism in Modern times .
Also in South West Ethiopia the Luo-Anywaa/Anuak Kingdom resisted Arab slavery and defeated the British in 1912 in Gambella Ethiopia .
In Sudan/Lower Egypt along the Nile the Luo-Shilluk Kingdom under Reth in 639-645AD fought the Turco-Egyptian rulers of Egypt and conducted raids on the Arab north therefore slavery did not advance southward into East Africa .
The Dinka,Luo and Nuer created fierce warrior classes and these conflicts spilled over into modern times with the first Sudan civil war(1955-1971) known as Anyanya I rebellion against Arab North .
When the Arabs conquered Egypt in 639 to 649 AD they attempted to advance Southwards into Sudan but were stopped by Nilotic and Nilo-Saharan groups hence slavery did not spread into the interior like in West Africa .
Portuguese managed to capture slaves in Angola and Congo but were unable to spread into the interior where hostile Nilotic groups such as the Dinka, Nuer, Maasai, Turkana, Toposa, Luo, Karamoja existed in North East and East Africa .
In the coasts of Kenya , Tanganyika and Zanzibar Arab slave traders led by Tipu Tip occasionally raided the interior East Africa and captured the Bantu Akamba and Ameru and coastal groups such as Mijikenda but the resistance limited widespread enslavement like happened in West and Central Africa .
the concept of toasting i dint know
So many theories. This one I found so interesting
mm hapa haha kwa io comment ya kugotta in jadhe....forgot ni episode gani haha. Ahero u sana.
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Following.. say hi paula .
Hi Dacha! Ndio hawa sisi
Kikombe, assimilation into the Luo was a function of the Luo women. Subas was assimilated because of the Luo Women. Kanyamwa came from Nyar Mwa (A maragoli woman)
very interesting. The women were in charge of assimilation, yes. The men were the 'policy' makers, sindio?
@@TwoNilotesInAPod yes! Women were policy enforcers.
Kikombe, which Owiny? Owiny Sigomere?
I am not certain, but I believe he is the one!
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The Nilotic Luo(OBAMA father,LUPITA NYONGO Groups) invasion of Bunyoro Kitara in the 14th and 15th century effectively ended any forms of slavery or slave trade in Uganda .
The Luo are diasporic(at least 20-25+ million Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda, DRC Congo, Sudan/Lower Egypt,Ethiopia Gambella/Eritrea,Chad,Central Africa Republic,Cameroon Luo bantu assimilated by late 1990s) and like other Nilotic groups such as Dinka and Nuer resisted the advancement of Arab slavery in ancient and modern times .
The North East and East Africa region was dominated by Nilotic, Nilo-Saharan, Nilo-Cushitic and Cushitic groups before Bantu migrations into the region from Central Africa including the Congo .
Nilotic groups such as the Maasai, Luo, Dinka, Nuer, Nyamanga, Turkana, Karamoja, Toposa etc did not practice slavery and shunned slavery or resisted enslavement and some Nilotic Kingdoms in Sudan/Egypt, Ethiopia and Uganda stopped slavery .
In Uganda pockets of slavery existed among the Bantu Bachwezi rulers of Bunyoro Kitara Kingdom and Bantu Buganda .
Unlike Nomadic Nilotic cattle keepers the Bantu practice farming and therefore white slave traders see this as a premium like the rice farmers captured from Sierra Leone and Guinea for North and South Carolina rice farms hence the Gullah Geechee .
The Luo-Babito rulers would then rule over Bunyoro Kitara Kingdom for 400 to 500 years until 1967-1971 when it was stopped by the Uganda government and later also under Idi Amin .
The Nilotic Luo also influenced ruler-ship for the Buganda Kingdom . Buganda’s Kabaka Mutesa has acknowledged Nilotic Luo ancestry .
President Theodore Roosevelt would then Visit Buganda in 1909 and was impressed by the egalitarian and democratic social organization among the Buganda Kingdom which he presented to US Congress and UK house of commons for emulation .
Bunyoro Kitara. There is intriguing history there!
Kikombe, Anywa or anua. Those Luos don't like the term Anyuak.
Interesting! I have watched a few channels on the same and I agree. They say 'Anywaa'.
So much to learn
busaa. oseke is traditional straw
Indeed!