He threatened to throw kids in foster care during a custody dispute because they were arguing with their parents…. Why is this judge involved in family court??
I got a feeling that’s the only discipline these kids have ever experienced. I bet the parents have some weird Oedipal complex, using the kids like tools against each other.
@@alexb7641and your feeling is incorrect. We were raised with rules, discipline, straight “A” students, volunteering in our community, actively involved in our local church, etc. Regardless, it is grossly inappropriate for a Judge to “discipline” us when we did absolutely nothing wrong, he had zero jurisdiction over us (we live in CA - he’s in MO) and we weren’t even inside his courtroom!
Too much work. Also the court & legal system don't like it when you find out they've F'ed up. Sure every now and then you can get away with it. But,that is more a case of take your money and run.
Yep and that's going to be extremely expensive meaning that anyone involved in dealing with this s*** including our government is going to have to pay out money no one's going to like that it's expensive and people hate paperwork
@@dangeary2134 Also Impersonating a Police Officer, as only the Police can Jail someone. This also falls under Cruel and Unusual Punishment as the higher Judges admit that this has NEVER happened before, and thus UNUSUAL and jailing innocent people, ESPECIALLY kids, is CRUEL. Also breaks punishing people who didn't commit a crime. There are a LOT of Constitutional and Federal Laws being broken. And hopefully the Father charges him with every single one.
Bruh, they don't even go after Cops for kidnapping, why would a judge face any punishments? EDIT: I agree with you, I'm just too cynical at this point, sorry.
It does, doesn't it? But nah, those scary words only apply to ordinary people. Some parking attendant who decided to punish teens playing in "his" parking lot by locking them up in a room somewhere, will be put in jail for a long, long time (even though he did this "on duty" and as part of his - wrongly perceived - duties). Judge does that, or police officer does that - I do mean something obviously far beyond their duties and obviously highly illegal? All good and dandy, they won't get any punishment, civil or otherwise (worst case - city or county pays some money to settle a lawsuit).
I had a good friend who had absolutely rotten biological parents. He petitioned the court, ask if he could be emancipated and look after his little sister. He was 14, so the judge said “no,” but asked what was going on. He said how the mom and dad had married, divorced, both remarried other people, remarried each other, and were now beating up on each other thru him and his sister. He asked if the both could stay with his first stepmom, who loved both of them dearly. Well, of course the parents blew up, and the judge saw them show their true nature. It took some doing, legally, but they were declared foster kids and given to the step mom. I will never forget when a bunch of us from college went with him to court, he got custody of his little sister, even though they all lived with the step mom, the step mom telling the court how the bio parents were threatening to take her and move to the other side of the world. Just terrorizing all of them. Thank god there were some good judges who did the right thing back then. My friend died of leukemia in his 40’s, and I will always think the decades of stress had something to do with it. He should still be here. Last I heard, his parents were still alive, still periodically suing each other when they’re both in their 80’s. We all figure the devil doesn’t want them.
@@reginaschellhaas1395 What a rough go for your friend, he must a been a real one, since you went to court, back in the day, BTW, what happen too the sister is she doing ok?🌹
@@michellekrueger5122 The story was from the comment above me, by @bwktlcn! Not from me! Nonetheless I approve your kind words, even if accidentally misdirected. I also get lost trying to follow threads from time to time, and reply in error. Wishing you the best, you are a good person!
@@bwktlcn This is nice to hear. When people go through horrible things like that, they tend to either become like the people they hate themselves, or try to prevent it from happening to anyone else. I'm glad it ended up being the latter.
You could argue that about any arrest or detention, if that was the case. The justice system couldn't function then. False arrest might be a more appropriate charge.
What is missed by this is the fact that the judge was the kids' grandmother's divorce attorney at one time and the father took Grandpa's side, eventually Grandma sued the attorney for ineffective assistance of counsel. So there is bad blood between the father and judge to begin with. Dad asked judge to step down for conflict of interest which the judge refused
The very fact that the Judge must dismiss themself, and no one can tell them to against their will, strikes me as a major problem. If there is a conflict of interest, why would anyone ever remove themself for it? There's no punishment for saying "I'm fair" when they know they aren't.
Immunity should be stripped entirely. So long as citizens are told ignorance is no excuse, the same needs to apply to gov too. So a judge gets overturned? Felony conspiracy against and deprivation of rights. If citizens can't "ignore" or "be ignorant of" or "misinterpret" the law without suffering legal consequences, the same must apply to judges, cops, etc. Also, every single gov employee who aids these judges in carrying out their illegal orders are just as guilty.
I strongly believe in a constitutional amendment that makes it punishable (removal from job and the requiring of trials for criminal and civil damages) for any elected official to author, cosponsor, or vote for any bill that is overturned on the basis of its constitutionality at the time of its creation. They can throw in a clause that strips immunity from members of the court as well as all government agents, too. You try to pass a law that has already been deemed to be unconstitutional, just because it plays well to your base? You and all of your supporters are out of office, imprisoned, and your personal estates will be liquidated to pay off anybody who was harmed by your bad legislation.
You won't have very good people doing those jobs. If police officers lose immunity, we'll be calling 911 with an active, armed burglary and the officers will be stopping to eat McDonald's instead of tending to the call. Why jump in any situation where you risk being sued? It's hard enough for counties and cities to fill open slots for officers now. We might as well not have any police forces if they won't have immunity. Judicial immunity is even more protective than qualified immunity held by police officers, and any judge who has 100 cases under their belt, has made a bad ruling in at least one of those 100 cases. What I would agree with is that immunity for some gov't professions may need to be tweaked.
That's kidnapping, false arrest, false imprisonment, and violating the kids' civil rights under color of authority. Why the hell isn't this judge facing criminal charges besides the civil suit?
And the judge will be charged with kidnapping? No? No felonies? How is it that we let people wearing the imaginary cloak of government authority get away with felonies all the time? What would happen if you grabbed someone's kids and locked them up somewhere? Would you be guilty of a felony?
The judiciary is easily the most corrupt and degenerate branch of government. You're not going to get the other branches to hold it accountable, and as you can see, we can barely get higher courts to afford an iota of civil responsibility in cases where a judge committed felony kidnapping and extortion. Just another data point showing the whole system is completely hosed with corruption.
2 judges in Pa. Got covicted for receiving millions of dollars from a private juvenile youth prison. Parents who were poor and couldn't afford lawers or thought their kids needed to be punished . They sent them to the prison for very minor infractions.
This is about US! Thank you for covering this case and exposing what dishonorable judge Eric Eighmy of Taney Country, Missouri did to us. Some facts that might not have been clear: 1. We have been CA residents since 2010, enrolled in public schools there, attend church there, work in the entertainment industry there and our friends are there. We had not lived in MO in almost a decade when this custody case was filed there. Missouri should NOT have had jurisdiction, CA should have. 2. There was already an open and active custody case in CA that was filed there way before the one in Missouri. It’s was unresolved and pending and according to UCCJEA law, you cannot have multiple custody cases open in multiple states at the same time. Again, Missouri did NOT have jurisdiction. 3. Dishonorable Judge Eric Eighmy refused to listen when he was told about the case in CA and kept the MO one going costing thousands in legal fees just to try to get an official UCCJEA hearing to prove one and for all we are CA residents. He NEVER gave us a hearing even though we filed for one and explained this to him in multiple filings from our attorneys! He ignored this completely and kept trying to make us come to Missouri. 3. Dishonorable Judge Eric Eighmy was previously our Grandmothers personal attorney and she FIRED him for malpractice! He should have recused himself from any hearing regarding us because of this alone! We filed asking for his recusal and he denied our filings. 4. He ordered us to fly from CA to Missouri and appear before him under the threat of arrest! That’s the ONLY reason we went because we don’t recognize Missouri as having jurisdiction over us. 5. At court before anything was presented Dishonorable Judge Eric Eighmy from the bench that he did not approve of kids in the entertainment business. He was biased before he heard any evidence! 6. After court was over that day, our Dad went outside the courthouse to the parking lot with my Grandparents. They stood there quietly talking while waiting on us. My Dad had told us to go talk to our Mom in private and that he would be waiting out front. We were being quiet, standing in the hallway and explaining to her our reasoning. She was listening and we were not being loud or making a scene. It was literally just us talking to her when somehow the Dishonorable Judge decided to involve himself! Our Mom did not know where he was taking us or what was going on at that time. Our Dad certainly did not know and was just waiting on us to walk out of the courthouse as it was going to be closing for the day and most people had gone home. 7. While our Dad was waiting outside, two armed deputies ran from the front door of the courthouse screaming out to him to leave or he would be arrested! He didn’t realize they were even directing this towards him at first as he was simply talking to his parents on a public sidewalk, in front of their cars and the courthouse. When he did, he asked why and they would give no reason. He tried to explain he was wait on us and they were trying to arrest him. He got in the car, asking for their badge number and name and they refused and kept yelling for him leave now! He locked the door and started the car. He picked up his phone to take their photo and they said put it down, leave now or be arrested so he did. He had no idea what was happening until hours later. 8. This story hit the national news and was probably really embarrassing to the Judge. We filed a police report for kidnapping (this meets the definition in MO) and they didn’t do anything but tell us to file a complaint. We filed a complaint to the office that handles judges discipline in MO and they did nothing. We filed a complaint with the MO attorney Generals Office and they told us to file a complaint with the judges discipline office even though in our complaint we told them we already had! It was like the didn’t even read it. 9. Dishonorable Judge Eighmy ordered us back to court during the pandemic of 2020 even though he had already acknowledged on record that any further proceedings should not be held in MO since we lived in CA and our Mom lived in Utah. During the pandemic we went to our families farm in Louisiana for about 6 months. We were scared and refused to go to Missouri again because of what the judge there did to us and the fact that he had admitted on the record that he would not have further jurisdiction over us. We didn’t show up but sent our attorney to explain this. He didn’t listen and instead issued a “pick up order” which is basically an arrest warrant. We were arrested and spent two nights in solitary confinement until the Missouri Supreme Court kicked him off the case and undid his rulings. This has all cost our family thousands upon thousands of dollars just to try to undo the damage this out of control dishonorable judge has caused. Our only other option was to sue him but it was our last resort because none of the Missouri officials would do anything to stop him. We hope to set new case law that will help others by doing so, expose this tyrant of a judge and put a stop to him “playing God” in people’s personal lives that he has no jurisdiction on. Consider this: Not once did he ask is WHY we didn’t want to live in Utah. Not once did he ask us about our love for acting and being in the entertainment industry in Hollywood. Not once did he let us speak because we were not allowed in the court room and sent to stand in the hallway. We were TEENS, not little 5 year olds! Not once did he let our Dad speak in court. When our Dad attempted to say something he was hushed. No evidence was ever heard in this case in MO! It was all a bunch of arguing over jurisdiction and the judge stating his biased opinions and setting rules for us to follow. In our opinion, he should never be allowed to hear another case and should be removed from the bench. If enough people stand up and speak out this could actually happen but it’s going to take action. We have started it with this lawsuit and appreciate all of your support. You can reach us under our RUclips Channel or on any social media under our names . (Our accounts are verified with a blue check mark) Kadan Rockett and Brooklyn Rockett. By the way, we live with our Dad full time now, continue or work in the entertainment industry and are happy. We just want Justice for what this tyrant did to us.
I am sorry for all that you have been put through not only by this corrupt and evil judge, but by those who enable him. Government should work in the interests of the people, but unfortunately in your case and many others, it does not. Our Founding Fathers created a limited government, but the state in current times has turned into a all-powerful monster running roughshod over the rights of Americans. As your case involved at least four states, California, Louisiana, Utah, and Missouri, I would think that this should be considered a federal issue. If the Missouri state government is derelict in their duties to reign in their incompetence and abuse of power, then the federal government should weigh in. Steve Lehto should pin your comment, so all of the details that you have provided should be easily visible to his viewers. I wish you success.
@@roflchopter11 there’s no statute of limitations for that federal conspiracy charge buddy and I was “enterprising” the hell out of everything I did back then. But when? Where?
Our gov. employees are "held to a higher standard" yet ignorance of the law is not a defense for we the people who are supposedly held to a LOWER standard.
If you don’t know a law and break it your told ignorance isn’t an excuse , you know enough to talk back and your insulted with “ what are you a lawyer”
They are not held to any standards who told you the lie you believe. If they are held at a higher standard then why would they have qualified immunity. Another example: 5 Mississippi Sherriff deputies raid a house with 2 black men hand cuffed them, assault them physically and sexual will dildos put a gun in one of the men's mouths and shot but they are not arrested and only fired. 😅😅😅 held to a higher standard my ass.
There was a case in California in the 1990s that made it to the Supremes. A lawyer was in a court room waiting for a case to be called for a routine matter. In the mean time, he had another case in another courtroom. Usually the judge would take care of some mundane matters first. When the judge was ready for the case and the lawyer wasn't present, he sent his two bailiffs to the other courtroom to "drag him here, and not too gently". They did. And not too gently. The lawyer sued and the Supremes dismissed the case because by ordering the bailiffs to drag him into his courtroom he was acting in a judicial capacity. If he had said it a few minutes earlier before the case was called, he wouldn't have been and could have been sued. Currently there is a case pending in the Fourth Circuit. In a divorce proceeding the judge decided to move the court to the man's house so the ex-wife could reclaim certain items. The man objected and the court ignored him. They even went so far to threaten him with arrest for obstructing justice if he refused to stop recording. He sued and the judge lost immunity because she took the court outside of the court house. Besides her trespass, the bailiff also trespassed as did two deputies and I believe the court clerk. Apparently this wasn't the first time the judge had done this.
Is there a law to stop judges from conducting legal proceedings outside a courtroom? Testimony has been given in a hospital room when a witness/victim could not be moved or was close to death.
@@leondillon8723 The court is where the judge holds court. That can include a hospital room but generally there needs to be some compelling reason to move out of a court room.
The most offensive part of this, to me, is the essential message of the appeal court being that it was only actionable because he did it himself. If he had ordered a bailiff to do it, and stubbornly ignored the bailiffs objections, or threatened the bailiff with jail for contempt if they refused, he would have gotten away with it. Because they he would have been imprisoning unrepresented 3rd parties without cause 'like a judge'.
yeah, that seems wrong to me as well. It also seems wrong that it's apparently OK for a judge to order children to be arrested because a parent misses court. How exactly is it just to jail any person - let alone a child - for the actions of another? The fact that the person jailed was related to the person who missed court doesn't make it better. If the police came to my house and arrested me because of something my parents did - something that has nothing to do with me aside from the fact that I am related to them - I would consider that to be wrong. Any system that allows the innocent to be incarcerated is not a system that should exist. I also question how this is allowed at the constitutional level. The 5th Amendment says that no one shall be "deprives of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.".Due process, in turn, means that a citizen who will be affected by a government decision must be given advance notice of what the government plans to do and how the action may deprive them of life, liberty, or property. Jailing a person for failing to appear in court would be constitutionally valid, but jailing a person because someone else failed to appear in court would not be. Given this it sets a very bad precedent to not punish a judge for failing to follow the 5th Amendment. If the government can deprive a person of a right without consequence the right doesn't exist in practice.
Children deserve to have their wishes considered when it comes to custody. They are not property but people, who have feelings and relationships, and opinions about their own futures.
As a child of divorce, I strongly feel that unless a good reason can be provided against it (poor living conditions, not enough supervision, ect) kids should get to choose who they live with as young as 10.
As a former child of divorce, children should be allowed to pick. Kids know what's going on, better than any outsider. My sibling and I picked different parents, and the one we each picked worked best for each of us. There wasn't any clear "bad guy" in my parents' divorce, they just couldn't be reasonable people in each other's presence. Now granted, other divorces can involve worse problems, but it's still the case that kids see it all, and parents standing in front of a judge are going to spin their stories. Kids know.
@@steveb6103 - In my state its 12 and in my other state its 14. Much earlier. And under protest they recognize kids as young as 8 and usually honor their wishes as long as no obvious issues exist.
I was talking to a divorce attorney who said she was moving into corporate law. Is it that bad, I ask? She says that her client called because her ex was 15 min late for his visitation: "What can we do!!?" The attorney replied: "Have a cup of coffee." Priceless.
Notice that it was a woman doing the complaining. Women initiate almost 80% of all divorces. Never enter a contract when the other party is incentivized to break it.
My grandma sued my aunt over visitation issues. Though it wasn't her being a bit late that led to the lawsuit but her refusing to show up for multiple visits in a row without calling ahead to reschedule or just outright cancel the visit. And for the curious my Aunt basically dropped her youngest daughter off at my Grandma's (her mom's) house and basically just left her to babysit her for months at a time. And expected her to pay for her daughter's food, diapers, toys, and clothes out of the goodness of my grandma's heart. This eventually led to a custody battle since both parties wanted to claim her on their taxes and my grandma won since she was effectively her primary caregiver and had been so for the better part of a year at that point. And to be brutally honest I really don't like said Aunt since she decided to steal my dad's vehicle at one point and got in accident with it. Of course, my dad wasn't willing to call the cops on her and report that the vehicle was stolen so his car insurance went up because of her accident. So she's a pretty shitty individual.
and what if you had two parents who were treating you as a possession? not saying that is the case in this scenario, but there is a question of why the teens were objecting to the arrangement the parents were negotiating.
@@kenbrown2808 I see the kids born in 2003 and 2007 had been living solely with their father for years on the opposite side of the country from the mother pursuing entertainment careers and were apparently perfectly happy in that situation. Then after the kids get featured on some major TV network program the mother comes in to petition a change to the arrangement in 2018 that entails forcing the kids to move across the country for a month out of the year against their wishes -- presumably she wanted much more than that, and the two parents came to compromise. Only problem is a compromise that still has an unwanted forced disruption to the kids' lives is still a crappy thing - If the kids want to reject a change as not good for them, then it seems only right, and the courts failed them. So anyway it seems to me the Mother is the only one maybe trying to treat them as a possession here --- not the parents in general. Imagine the impact of kids suddenly being forced to move from Louisiana to Missouri and be confined in a strange house out in some strange city with no way of going about their normal business.
Our Judges, Prosecutors, and police should be expected to be MORE informed on the law and the rights of the people than the average person, and as such should also face harsher penalties for violating them
I have a friend who is a judge and her observation about judges is this; far too many of them get their egos bruised when everyone doesn't bow down to them.
You had a judge right there in Michigan who sent three children, ages 9, 10 and 13, to a juvenile detention facility for 17 days for ignoring her order to visit with their father.
So much for children being old enough to tell a judge they don't want to see a parent. I do know of a case in Ohio where the judge said they would talk to a tween before issuing their final judgment, only to make a final judgment without talking to the tween. If the step-sibling harms the tween the judge should be held liable, but the chances are slim to none.
Should have been the mother. Kids at that age, 13 year old possible, don’t get the choice. Mother should have been saying “it’s important to see your dad too” instead she was probably telling her kids how horrible he is bla bla bla. Parent alienation should be considered child abuse. Court said I was to get full custody and I bent over backwards to get mom the help she needed so she could eventually see her kids so this isn’t a rant from a dad who had this happen to him this is a sensible person who thinks alienation is horrible.
@@realitywave Well the mom could have shown that in court but she did not and the court ordered the kids to see their dad. Courts already favour the moms and the fact that this court ordered kids to see their dad tells me everything I need to know. Obviously the dad was not a monster or do you think he was so cleaver that he tricked the judge? No. But if a parent, not just dads, is a monster then that is different than alienation and no the kids don't deserve to be pushed into bad situations.
Some parents only want visitation because they know it’s heart wrenching for their ex to not see the kids on a daily basis then they ignore the kids for the whole visit
They basically haven't had any accountability to anyone but radical feminists and the 'protect all the Angelic Women' brigades of the Tradcons for decades and hence you get what you get.
@@jordanwardle11 completely agree. Seeing bad behavior all the time doesn’t give them a pass for their own bad behavior, though. I could watch a circus act every day for a year straight. That doesn’t mean I’ll start acting like a clown.
And nobody at the jail thought that maybe this was wrong and said no to the judge, what happened to people with a good moral compass saying no to authority?
People who work on the enforcement side of the law are usually required to follow court orders. at best they could have delayed acting on it, had they been so inclined
It reminds me of the judge in a divorce case who personally searched and siezed the husband's property from hid home under the threat of contempt or arrest as the bailiff was there. She asked the wife if specific property was hers, and took it for the wife. She was also not given immunity.
That case, along with the bailiffs response, is just one example of why I think ALL government employees should be required to take classes about the Constitution annually to keep their jobs. They let power and immunity go to their heads.
The legal term is "ad litem" attorney, or guardian ad litem. They are selected by the family court judge, usually someone the judge knows (wink wink). And their time is billed to one or both of the parents. So it's an "all you can eat buffet".
I love your faith in the bailiff to question a judge's bad decisions beyond the judges scope. I'd be shocked if that actually happened in real life. You don't get judges doing this or judges showing up at people's home and forcing their way in if there was this kind of checks and balances with regards to abuse of power. Which there is not
This should have been a pinned comment. Most people who have a wife and kids and house payment to pay do what they are told. Weird how there is no Immunity involved from a judge to a bailiff. Only the public. Hence why most corruption happens. There is no safeguard for whistleblowers. Not is there any protection for the system itself once you are in it.
The psychological damage this will have done to already traumatised children. Judge seems to have no understanding at all of the consequences of his decisions on the children.
you don't get it, people become cops, lawyers and judges because they like hurting people ! they're addicted to power ! very few people become lawyers to help people. like Steve.
If personal accountability is so important for the average citizen like you and I, why do judges need immunity? Hold these hypocrites to the same standard that they hold everyone else to.
Because every case/controversy has a side that will, at the end, "win", and one that will "lose". If there was no judicial (see my other comment) immunity, the losers would sue endlessly until they won. Judge has got to have JUDICIAL immunity to make judicial decisions. That shouldn't mean that they can do whatever the f they want. The judge is a referee, and their immunity only ONLY extends to their DECISIONS (not necessarily actions) that they make with a case/controversy in front of them that they have jurisdiction (very important - bankruptcy judges can't hear divorce cases) to hear.
@@williamclayton9566nd they should lose that immunity when they overstepped their boundaries like this one. He should be disbarred, charged with felony kidnapping, and sentenced, serving time in prison. You do not threaten two innocent teens with foster care simply for pointing out their descent. Immunity for anyone is ridiculous.
Because the law is the facade of corruption. It is there to give the perception of fairness and justice while in reality it is merely there to placate the poor while serving and protecting the interests of the elites. Look no further than Jeffery Epstein if you need a fucking reality check on this point. The entire judicial system is nothing more than actors dressing in ridiculous costumes and proclaiming themselves as the arbiters of justice. The best we can do is find creative ways to deal with them. Tamper with their breaks during mechanical work, drop drain cleaner. into their drink when preparing it at restaurants, drive them to the middle of nowhere in an Uber, otherwise destroy them in public refuse to sell them, tear them or their families apart at social functions, create problems with their children by reporting them to child protective services, call for “wellness checks” on their family members. Report them for red flag laws, set up security systems near their home and report their coming and going as suspicious activity to the police. Look up local home ordinances and nitpick every violation you can possibly interpret. Go extreme and take out billboard space insinuating they are pedos or just broadcast their abuses to the general public. In short make their life a living hell. Most importantly work from a distance, collaborate with others independently and never together or collectively.
@@williamclayton9566 No no no. See. If the Judge did everything LEGALLY, and the criminal is in fact GUILTY, then I agree. Full Immunity. But if the Judge does something ILLEGAL, he should lose ALL Protections on the spot, right then and there.
@@williamclayton9566 So the court can decide to trash your legitimate lawsuit without ever having read it, the appeals court can presume the lower court got it right and throw your formal brief in the trash without having ever read it, and SCOTUS can publicly announce that they’re throwing your petition for writ of certiorari (along with thousands of others) in the trash because they want to only review the cases they have a personal agenda in pursuing and they want to go home early? How is any of that “Equal Justice Under Law”? How is that any different than in Soviet Russia, China, and North Korea, where the people are victims to the whims and personal agendas of the judges? I’d just move forward with impeachments left and right against the judges that have shown clear bias, apathy, laziness, etc. and have them be confronted about the harm they’ve caused. We already have issues with judges abusing their powers to issue unpublished decisions (because they’re too cowardly and lazy to actually stand by their rulings), so why should they enjoy more luxuries of high power, low standards/expectations? If I was as lazy, incompetent, and callous as the average US judge, my ass would’ve been FIRED within the month, especially considering the amount of harm those judges’ FAILURES cause to hundreds of people’s lives.
Prosecutorial Immunity is one of the worst as it's even more shielding that qualified immunity. Look up the example of a Prosecutor out of New Orleans in the 1990s who basically falsified evidence and withheld exculpatory evidence in several cases, one in which a man was going to be sent to death row for a murder he didn't commit, and they couldn't prosecute him at all. His name is Harry Connick Sr and Yes, he is Harry Connick Jr's dad
I'm glad you know the difference. I really believe the cops on the ground NEED some form of limited immunity, not to mention they are merely the 'footmen' of the far more protected and unaccountable Judges and Prosecutors with their basically unlimited immunities.
@@MickeyMishra But in fact, soldiers do get some forms of immunity. For one, they are not tried by civilians nor by the countries they are based/stationed in but by the US Military Justice system, at least when they doing their official duties. Laws concerning murder and such are different for soldiers in wartime and in 'warzones'. Soldiers often live apart from civilians and don't always interact that much with them. To compare policemen and soldiers is asinine. Cops are also supposed to enforce the law. Their primary mission is law enforcement, not 'killing the officially designated enemy". Cops usually interact with civilians hundreds of times individually over the course of a year. It's an entirely different mission. The last thing cops need is the threat of civilian lawsuits for every thing they do, esp as they are neither lawyers nor judges but take their orders from higher up.
@@remo27then there should be even more onus on them to learn the laws they are to enforce and to make sure they themselves stay within the law. Qualified immunity only leads to more distrust of the police and proof they are hypocritical in their enforcement of law. It's tyranny 101 laws for thee but not for me. Yes it's from the top down, look at the presidents son right now but that doesn't mean we should allow it at the bottom. Unaccountable cops are a danger to the public.
@@Bean5prout A) There are plenty of cops sitting in jail right now for things. Some they did, some they arguably didn't do and were thrown under the bus. I don't need to hear any whining about how police are unaccountable when Prosecutors and Judges (which can sic the police on you) are even more so. I think there might have been one Prosecutor that went to jail as a result of something he did as a Prosecutor in my entire life, and I'm 52. B) No one can know all the laws. In fact, it's obvious you don't know anything much about the law if you believe everyone can know all the laws, even at a Statewide level. It's why lawyers specialize. And then there's the fact that lots of laws are quite vague. How are they to be interpreted? Well, that's up to the Judges, all the way to the Supreme Court. Cops don't make or interpret law. They have to rely on policies based on these interpretations. And there aren't policies for everything. Now all of this is a good argument to why we have TOO MANY DAMN LAWS. It's not a good argument to try to make cops responsible for stuff they never learn and have no power to change or interpret.
Why does stuff like this seem to happen so often in Missouri? So the AG believes judges should be able to extra-legally coerce children into agreements?
MO AG is a goon. The stunts he was pulling on public libraries when this video came out demonstrates a baffling lack of judgement and accountability for a statewide elected official.
That is why family court should be under state Supreme Court review in any case that is contested! Family court is the only legalized mafia in the country, they don’t answer to anyone! Their rulings are final!
This bothers me so much. My parents divorced and I would have terrified to be forced to live my father. He wasn’t bad enough on paper to lose custody rights, but he was an awful person and as a kid I cried when they would separate then get back together. None of us kids wanted him in the house. Now I am in my 40s and am no contact. As a kid, that fear of having my choices taken away was overwhelming. I hate how kids get treated in these disputes.
At 54, my father divorced my mother when I was 6 months old. Throughout growing up, my dad was married again 4 more times. I think he was trying to keep up with Liz Taylor. Anyway, what happened to bringing the kids into the chambers to speak with them. What happened to having empathy for them. I don’t always agree with what kids do or say because some can be very manipulative but that’s what a judge is supposed to wade through and make an appropriate decision. This clown just simply doesn’t need to be on the bench. PERIOD
@@schrodingerscat3741 Why think about your own decisions when you as a government employee can throw them in jail and threaten to take away everyone's rights and hand them over to some random people you know nothing about to make them shut up and comply? That's freedom, or something.
@@rebeccamartin2399 When I was young, my dad had alternate weekend visitation with me and my brother and I didn't want to go. When I reached the age of 12, I learned that I'd have to wait another two years or more to be able to decide for myself that I no longer wanted to go. So I started "disappearing" on my bicycle as pickup time approached, and apparently a few months later my parents got the visitation judgement changed, as I was no longer even asked to be around for pickup.
One of my friends from college is a divorce lawyer and often writes posts about how he counsels his clients to abandon the idea of punishing their spouses. Especially when children are involved. It does so much damage to the children to see their parents being so spiteful to each other. And as a purely practical matter, it costs a lot more money to have lawyers fighting over things.
Glad to at least one judge held to account for behaving badly. I have had my own experience with a bad judge. Eviction court (yes Missouri AGAIN) Everybody who was waiting for their case to come up including me was told we were not allowed to defend ourselves or even to speak in court or we would be charged with contempt. We were all guilty by virtue of being there. One person tried to speak and they were hauled away by court officials. I couldn't afford to take the chance because I had no money to get myself out of trouble. (disabled), so I had no choice but to obey. The ruling was we had 3 days to move. We found out later that the landlord had sold the house out from under us without any notice, but it never mattered. Missouri is notorious for bad judges through the 80s and 90s ~~~~
yes Missouri has some of the very worst Tenant’s rights in the country! And thus the explodinngg homeless population who are just poor-not just drug users.
Couldn't you file for an appeal? If you kept your mouth shut because you were ordered to, then that very day filed for an appeal, it wouldn't have done anything fast enough to affect you given the 3 day deadline, but it might have allowed you to later on seek damages from the landlord. Sure, appeals usually cost money, but most states have forms that low income persons can fill out to have filing fees waives. A person on disability income is automatically entitled to that.
The truly sad thing, this wasn't the case I thought you were talking about. The judge in that case was Lisa Gorcya What does it say that there have been multiple cases where different judges have jailed the kids in a custody dispute.
The judicial system has no ability to be parents. The judicial system's only function in "family law" is to try to bludgeon and threaten the actual parents into doing their jobs as parents. Sometimes obviously that will take the form of jailing children or threatening to put them in foster care. Unfortunate, tragic, but that's probably because every divorce with children involved is already unfortunate and tragic.
I've seen a judge in robes outside of a courtroom exactly one time, while I was a juror. We had been stuck in the assembly room for the entire day, leaving once for lunch and then going right back to the assembly room, and finally at the end of the day the judge personally came down, thanked us for sticking around, advised us that there had been delays due to an attorney calling in sick and then complications with finding a replacement, and then dismissed us.
This new era of closer scrutiny of the entire judicial system from the judges down to the cops is long overdue in coming. It's a good thing that should continue, and I believe will end in good results for the people as opposed to the people in power.
I once had a federal judge threaten to lock me up for drilling a hole in a concrete floor, 3 floors away…saying that it was disruptive to his courtroom…come to find out that he was in chambers…not even in court. He sent the court Marshall’s to intimidate me.
Threat, duress, coercion, on children. There used to be gallows outside the Courthouses, and they were also to remind oath-breakers and traitors to the People what the consequences were.
@@mikepalmer2219 They don't face consequences because the people have been drugged and brainwashed into being passive, indoctrinated into being obedient citizen servants, and because they are in fear. The founders of what was the United States of America specifically wrote a protection into our founding documents, we the people are the power. We the people exercise our power over the legislator and the government that we may choose to institute as a servant, through the Grand jury process operating in parallel to American common law, and bearing arms.
@@mikepalmer2219that’s only because they haven’t crossed the right people yet. The father in this case is the wrong person. He’s way too nice. If a judge did that to my kids he’d hang from an overpass.
My stepfather was a judge. One of the things he did like was the authority to marry people. but just as you mentioned, he felt the same about family court. He did that ONE time on a fill in basis. He said NEVER AGAIN!
What pops into my mind is the testimony of a police officer who was called to Johnny Depp and Amber "what's her name" "house". He was asked why he did not arrest anyone. The officers response was "There is no law against arguing with your wife" I thought that was a pretty intelligent answer.
Imagine anyone else having almost lost a finger, and getting away with that scott free. Amber Turd deserves that moniker for life. And the court systems in 3 countries all failed this man. Nice to know that at least his suit for damages for libel was at least won. To bad Amber never had to pay the money. Any man would have too.
So the moral of this story is that you shouldn’t throw the kids that are subjects, not participants in a custody dispute in jail even when they are acting like the adolescents that they are…. Funny how almost all laypeople would get that, and a Judge would Not! 😂😜😳
Isn't this the same thing as happened in Birmingham, MI a few years ago? The judge in Michigan removed the children from both parents to try to force them to settle their custody battle. In that case they were held for months in juvenile detention, as if they had committed a crime. My memory is that in that case the judge was sanctioned for doing this.
This reminds me of the case recently where a judge overseeing a divorce went to the husbands home and told the wife what she could have. And told the husbands attorney he would be sent to jail if he objected or recorded it..
@@Vamooso it has no place period. It's abhorrently stupid. As are any who support it. Granting them immunity in any form just gives them further incentive to be corrupt rather than uphold their duties.
I disagree, respectfully. There should be common sense qualified immunity. The judge was clearly negligent and bordering on criminal behavior. He should be disbarred at a minimum.
This sounded so familiar I had to look it up - something very similar to this happened in Michigan, where Michigan Family Court Judge Lisa Gorcyca found three children in contempt and jailed them for not having lunch with their estranged father as she demanded. The fact that there are two separate cases that are this similar just proves that there are too many judges who believe power makes them above the law
I always bring her up for the rampant lawlessness of the Family Court system. She was punished though! The (GOP) controlled State Supreme Court decide her being suspended - the recommended of the judicial disciplinary committee - was too much, so instead she got a Formal Reprimand. Then the Voters would make a decision. She ran unopposed after making sure all those attempting to run against here were dissuaded. Incidentally, her and her husband were "Respected Members" of the Oakland county GOP & a big player in state politics. I'm sure that had nothing to do with it.
Threatening with foster care is absolutely going to far. I was a foster kid and do you know what its like growing up with abusive sick drug addicts? I lost my childhood because of that
Nothing but pure rot in the judicial system. This father should never have had to lift a finger to bring this refuse of human waste masquerading as a judge to justice. This is why we need vigilante justice.
@@ThirtytwoJ the father could have taken a hatchet, dragged that judge into the middle of the street started hacking him up into little pieces and I’d give him a standing ovation when it went to trial.
@@Yamaazaka im sure most dudes would prefer the asswhoopins to 8 years, 2 probation, and 10k in payments to the gov just to have to write down former fellon and take mcdonalds jobs.
The real story is when judges are protected even when they obviously are a threat to the general public. These people need to be fired and held responsible for their actions.
My divorce was in California so you can only imagine how screwed I was being the man in the situation, the court did everything they could to insure my ex wouldn't lose all custody. She attempted to take full custody so she could get the maximum amount of support, money was her driving force and far as the kids happiness goes that didn't even factor in at all. In the beginning she was getting all but $400 of my monthly income, I could not believe the court would take over 90% of my income and force me to give it to her when she had a job and I had weekend custody that they called 20% but in reality it's 28.57% but they say "we round it off" which is also inaccurate and skewed way over into her favor. Hence the reason I would never ever consider getting married again or intermingling money with someone again, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
Honestly, the judge was no more abusive than every juvi court judge I’ve ever met. They just say the magic words ‘best interest of the child’ then everyone’s rights disappear.
Shouldn't the kids if over 10 be able to decide who they wanna live with? Why doesn't the Judge take their opinions into consideration? I feel children know who the better parent is most of the time as they are there living with them.
Yes and no. Kids that age are pretty easily manipulated, and parental alienation can be a real issue. It can be really subtle, and the best interest generally is for both parents to be involved 50/50. Kids are Kids and don't always make decisions for the right reasons so you can take their thoughts into consideration, but they shouldn't be the decision maker.
"Courts are not there for you to hurt someone else..." unless of course, you are important enough in government or represent an agency of government, because then you aren't footing the bill for those vindictive lawyers, and those peons need to learn their place.
Personal experience. I had a brother who ran away from home in his teens (he ended up with some friends). The police and the lawyers involved all said that there was nothing they could do. They said he was too old (no crimes were commited etc). I feel like the supreme court had the same feelings over the matter.
I have seen a judge in the hallway in his robes talking with my mother once prior to her & my stepdads custody hearing, (both my mom & the judge were in the cult Jehovah's Witnesses which is how he got assigned the case) @ the end of the hearings, the judge said "Under normal circumstances I'd side with the father here- but I'm not going to do that." My mom got sole custody, & the 3 of us endured years of physical, emotional & sexual abuse @ her hands because of their skeezy way of gaming the system. At 14 I got emancipated as an adult by a different judge & left home. I haven't seen or talked to her again since, but do contact my siblings periodically. My stepdad later wrote a book entitled "what Lies behind the Truth". Unfortunately I never got a chance to read a copy of it before it was out of print.
When I was a child a judge actually asked me to decide which parent I wanted to have custody. In my case both parents were abusive in different ways so there was no right answer, but even if there was, it seems to me that it's just as bad for a judge to make the child decide right in front of the parents as it is for the child to be placed with an unfit parent.
@@Elliandr If I had been given a choice it would have bee my stepdad, my father or grandparents. My mother used anyone she could in her vie for control of us.
A judge's authority and ability to "act like a judge" should only exist within that judge's courtroom and chambers. Instead we hsve cases like thus and that oldrr one where the judge took her team and sesrched the defendant's house, seizing various items of dubious connection to the case.
The Bailiff will do whatever his lord and master commands....I'd probably have a heart attack if I saw one of the mercenary foot soldiers called Police, Sheriffs/Deputies, Troopers, Marshalls or Bailiffs actually think, and act as the executive to reign in official misconduct on the part of the judiciary or legislator.
The problem here is that Judges think they have power over the ENTIRE Court house and not just their court rooms/chambers. We find this a lot with arbitrary no filming in the "Court House" orders by judges. When the only applicable areas you cannot record are Court ROOMs and Chambers or Hallways adjacent to court rooms when IN SESSION. A lot of these Judges are drunk on power, far too many. Reform Qualified/Absolute Immunity, it is abused far too much.
Judges often get away with nutty judgements & orders without any real consequences. This is just an example of what happens when one of them does it too often and gets used to enjoying immunity. There should be annual reviews of judges to make sure they are not acting against the way society expects them to.
The Judge in my sister's custody case ordered that my nephew be removed from a hospital and transferred to another hospital in her town, then called the CEO of the hospital and asked her to change the original hospital's diagnosis. (mental issue).
A federal public defender that commonly visited clients at my jail related that when he was in private practice, his partner got roped into working a family court case against his will. The judge needed to appoint someone for a case and randomly picked a name. The judge went on the continuously appoint this attorney to various cases that no one would willingly take. The Fed PD told me that it got so bad that his partner would vomit into the trashcan in his office before going to court every morning. The only ended when the partner moved across the country so he could not possibly be required by the judge to serve anymore.
disgusting, he should have had some professional recourse. How on earth did the judge know no one wanted them?? They got to decline???? It's all a cult, and we ain't in it.
If a judge punches someone during a case (other than in defence of self or another), that is surely outside the scope of judicial action, which attracts immunity. Here the judge presumably went 'rogue' and in jailing the children was not within judicial authority.
I've seen a video where a Judge told the dispatcher , he will invoke "The Castle Doctrine" and "off" A guy.... Your"house" is the "Castle" ...in the "Castle Doctrine" Meanwhile the Judge is standing in the street assaulting the guy , pointing his gnu at the guy head...who's in the bed of his own truck. How can the judge invoke anything
Tried being civil with my ex. She was a horrible person who hired lawyers who were equally as horrible. Faced every baseless accusation under the sun and cost me 150k just to not be a deadbeat dad or go to jail for things that never happened. Would’ve been nice if the judge had done his job and not been so lazy to let it all continue.
Why would the AG say that is within the function? That AG should be fired or at least investigated and put on leave immediately. The corruption and buddy buddy in the judicial system gives me 0 confidence in anything they do anymore.
Having worked in the juvenile justice system in Illinois I know for a fact that juveniles can not be locked up unless they have been adjudicated delinquent minors. The only exception would be pretrial detainment until the adjudication hearing takes place.
So, out of curiosity, what would have happened if the Missouri judge ordered some children in Illinois to be jailed? Because in this case the children were in Louisiana and the local police of that area had to comply with the orders of the Missouri judge. Obviously it's a violation of the 5th Ammendment to arrest a person without due process, which is exactly what happened here. Even if they weren't children you aren't supposed to arrest people just because they are related to the person who missed court. Still, since the 8th Circuit said that the judge can't be held accountable for that action it means that such a thing could happen again, so what would realistically happen? Would the local police have enough information to be able to say "no, we can't arrest these kids" or would they just see the warrant and follow orders without knowing all the facts?
Pretty sad when a judge doesn't recognize the Constitution. Fourteenth Amendment: _"... No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; _*_nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."_* I'd say laying hands on two kids who weren't even in the courtroom and throwing them in a jail cell without them having broken any laws is definitely outside the tenets of "due process".
"Some attorneys thrive on that". Yeah,some do, at least for awhile. Many years ago, my dad knew of a couple of attorneys like that in the town he grew up in. It seemed in that small town, these two attorneys loved divorce cases. They both operated out of the same small office building so one would take the guy and the other would take the woman. They would pit both parties against each other and in the end, the only winner was the two attorneys. It was a pretty nice gig for the attorneys until they messed with an old farmer. This farmer and his wife were getting a divorce so the lawyers began their game. At some point the farmer wised up as to what was going on and he put a permanent end to the partnership. Old farmer shows up one morning with a 12 Ga shotgun, shoots and kills lawyer number one, goes down the hall, shoots and kills the second lawyer then kills himself! Sometimes Karma hits really hard.
To the extent this was reported in the press I predict : 1) It was strictly local news and 2) No real reason would have been given for the farmer's actions, or, in the off chance they mention the divorce they blame the deaths on 'patriarchal entitlement' or some such and the two deceased were lionized as upstanding members of the bar and the community.
@@albertstephen2426 Reminds me of the officer who walked back to where a bear was on a property, and it kept chasing him. Then the homeowner said "SHOW HIM YOUR BADGE"!
Sad situation. Think of how torn their hearts are - arguing in the hall over which parent to live with. I'm sad for them. Bless their hearts. [It's not funny, BTW.]
He threatened to throw kids in foster care during a custody dispute because they were arguing with their parents…. Why is this judge involved in family court??
It seems like in some court systems, family court is the dumping ground for the D+ judges, while the As and Bs try capital cases.
I got a feeling that’s the only discipline these kids have ever experienced. I bet the parents have some weird Oedipal complex, using the kids like tools against each other.
@@alexb7641 Divorcing/divorce adults use their kids against each other all the time. No psychological conditions required in the children.
@@MonkeyJedi99 Not required, created by selfish grown children pretending to be parents.
@@alexb7641and your feeling is incorrect. We were raised with rules, discipline, straight “A” students, volunteering in our community, actively involved in our local church, etc. Regardless, it is grossly inappropriate for a Judge to “discipline” us when we did absolutely nothing wrong, he had zero jurisdiction over us (we live in CA - he’s in MO) and we weren’t even inside his courtroom!
The question is, why haven't the state bar and supreme court taken disciplinary action against the clown.
They protect their own. They only take action when public outrage develops enough to force them to take action.
Yep, the fish stinks from the head down, not the other way around. In other words we live with what we put up with.
Accountability in government, law enforcement or the court system? What country do you live in?
Drinking buddies. That's the Bar they recognise.
Who will be their 4th on the golf course?
A family court judge drunk on power being corrupt? Never heard of that before
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The whole Family Court system is a joke.
I experienced that three times...however 3 judges that were removed from the bench...all in the mid 90's
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@@caucasianafrican1435 Only because we allow it to be and have allowed anti-male sentiments to be enshrined in the Family Courts.
Now every custody case this “judge” ruled on should be investigated too!!
Too much work. Also the court & legal system don't like it when you find out they've F'ed up. Sure every now and then you can get away with it. But,that is more a case of take your money and run.
Yep and that's going to be extremely expensive meaning that anyone involved in dealing with this s*** including our government is going to have to pay out money no one's going to like that it's expensive and people hate paperwork
imagine a nation where judges faced the same rules as the citizens?
That would be incredible, literally I don't see it as being a creditable reality. I'd love it but ain't no way those micro-dictators would allow it.
You mean like most countries
Imagine a nation where law enforcement faced the same rules as the citizens
Boiled down this is kidnapping. Judge should be charged appropriately.
If not kidnapping, then extortion.
@@dangeary2134 Both
@@dangeary2134 Also Impersonating a Police Officer, as only the Police can Jail someone. This also falls under Cruel and Unusual Punishment as the higher Judges admit that this has NEVER happened before, and thus UNUSUAL and jailing innocent people, ESPECIALLY kids, is CRUEL. Also breaks punishing people who didn't commit a crime.
There are a LOT of Constitutional and Federal Laws being broken. And hopefully the Father charges him with every single one.
@@dangeary2134I think it is both. Kidnapping by taking them. Extortion for the threats.
If we apply VAWA to this? This is a from of Physical Violence. The judge should know all to well about this.
The judge should be facing felony child abuse charges.
That would require a judge being held to the same standard as the average citizen.
And armed kidnapping along with accomplices just as anyone else that kidnaps kids.
Bruh, they don't even go after Cops for kidnapping, why would a judge face any punishments? EDIT: I agree with you, I'm just too cynical at this point, sorry.
How about kidnapping?
@@jacknoe4024 ...why are you calling people "bruh"...that term is not for everyone, let them keep their "bro"...
Sounds like false imprisonment and intimidation, cohesion and blackmail.
It does, doesn't it? But nah, those scary words only apply to ordinary people. Some parking attendant who decided to punish teens playing in "his" parking lot by locking them up in a room somewhere, will be put in jail for a long, long time (even though he did this "on duty" and as part of his - wrongly perceived - duties). Judge does that, or police officer does that - I do mean something obviously far beyond their duties and obviously highly illegal? All good and dandy, they won't get any punishment, civil or otherwise (worst case - city or county pays some money to settle a lawsuit).
In that case, taxes are armed robbery.
I think you mean coercion. Agree completely.
@@mushyroom9569 They are.
Sounds like a judge was dealing with a whole lot of immaturity and probably not only from the kids.
I had a good friend who had absolutely rotten biological parents. He petitioned the court, ask if he could be emancipated and look after his little sister. He was 14, so the judge said “no,” but asked what was going on. He said how the mom and dad had married, divorced, both remarried other people, remarried each other, and were now beating up on each other thru him and his sister. He asked if the both could stay with his first stepmom, who loved both of them dearly. Well, of course the parents blew up, and the judge saw them show their true nature. It took some doing, legally, but they were declared foster kids and given to the step mom. I will never forget when a bunch of us from college went with him to court, he got custody of his little sister, even though they all lived with the step mom, the step mom telling the court how the bio parents were threatening to take her and move to the other side of the world. Just terrorizing all of them. Thank god there were some good judges who did the right thing back then. My friend died of leukemia in his 40’s, and I will always think the decades of stress had something to do with it. He should still be here. Last I heard, his parents were still alive, still periodically suing each other when they’re both in their 80’s. We all figure the devil doesn’t want them.
I am so sorry this happened to the brother and sister. Thanks for being his friend, and condolences for losing him way too soon.
@@reginaschellhaas1395 What a rough go for your friend, he must a been a real one, since you went to court, back in the day, BTW, what happen too the sister is she doing ok?🌹
@@michellekrueger5122 The story was from the comment above me, by @bwktlcn! Not from me! Nonetheless I approve your kind words, even if accidentally misdirected. I also get lost trying to follow threads from time to time, and reply in error. Wishing you the best, you are a good person!
@@michellekrueger5122 she became a psychologist, specializing in the needs of children. Doing well.
@@bwktlcn This is nice to hear. When people go through horrible things like that, they tend to either become like the people they hate themselves, or try to prevent it from happening to anyone else. I'm glad it ended up being the latter.
The father is right. The judge went too far sending innocent kids, who do not like what is happening, to jail cells.
Isn't this just called kidnapping?
Only for you and me. Apparently some people have magic powers that put them above the law.
You could argue that about any arrest or detention, if that was the case. The justice system couldn't function then. False arrest might be a more appropriate charge.
@@joesterling4299 Since when do judges have arrest powers?
Isn’t tax just called theft?
@@stevef68I know they do in the courtroom but outside of it I'm not sure.
What is missed by this is the fact that the judge was the kids' grandmother's divorce attorney at one time and the father took Grandpa's side, eventually Grandma sued the attorney for ineffective assistance of counsel. So there is bad blood between the father and judge to begin with. Dad asked judge to step down for conflict of interest which the judge refused
That’s seems like a relevant small town detail
then conflict of interest and kidnapping and human trafficking... bingo
makes his actions even worse.
The very fact that the Judge must dismiss themself, and no one can tell them to against their will, strikes me as a major problem.
If there is a conflict of interest, why would anyone ever remove themself for it? There's no punishment for saying "I'm fair" when they know they aren't.
Whoop..there it is..👍🗽🇺🇸
Immunity should be stripped entirely. So long as citizens are told ignorance is no excuse, the same needs to apply to gov too. So a judge gets overturned? Felony conspiracy against and deprivation of rights.
If citizens can't "ignore" or "be ignorant of" or "misinterpret" the law without suffering legal consequences, the same must apply to judges, cops, etc.
Also, every single gov employee who aids these judges in carrying out their illegal orders are just as guilty.
"We were just doing our job! We were just following orders!"
Held to a higher standard blah blah bull shit lies blah blah.
I strongly believe in a constitutional amendment that makes it punishable (removal from job and the requiring of trials for criminal and civil damages) for any elected official to author, cosponsor, or vote for any bill that is overturned on the basis of its constitutionality at the time of its creation. They can throw in a clause that strips immunity from members of the court as well as all government agents, too.
You try to pass a law that has already been deemed to be unconstitutional, just because it plays well to your base? You and all of your supporters are out of office, imprisoned, and your personal estates will be liquidated to pay off anybody who was harmed by your bad legislation.
Absolutely!
You won't have very good people doing those jobs. If police officers lose immunity, we'll be calling 911 with an active, armed burglary and the officers will be stopping to eat McDonald's instead of tending to the call. Why jump in any situation where you risk being sued? It's hard enough for counties and cities to fill open slots for officers now. We might as well not have any police forces if they won't have immunity. Judicial immunity is even more protective than qualified immunity held by police officers, and any judge who has 100 cases under their belt, has made a bad ruling in at least one of those 100 cases.
What I would agree with is that immunity for some gov't professions may need to be tweaked.
That's kidnapping, false arrest, false imprisonment, and violating the kids' civil rights under color of authority. Why the hell isn't this judge facing criminal charges besides the civil suit?
Because the judiciary has become corrupt.
Choose a lane! Pick one. It's not everything under the sun. How about Detention without Charge?
He should face kidnapping charges.
And the judge will be charged with kidnapping? No? No felonies? How is it that we let people wearing the imaginary cloak of government authority get away with felonies all the time? What would happen if you grabbed someone's kids and locked them up somewhere? Would you be guilty of a felony?
When is his re-election?
The robes and silly hammers make them invincible.
What would happen to you if you threatened to send people with guns to someone’s house if they didn’t pay you money?
The judiciary is easily the most corrupt and degenerate branch of government. You're not going to get the other branches to hold it accountable, and as you can see, we can barely get higher courts to afford an iota of civil responsibility in cases where a judge committed felony kidnapping and extortion. Just another data point showing the whole system is completely hosed with corruption.
@@mushyroom9569doesn't that happen when you owe the government?
Judges need to be prosecuted more often for misconduct.
Who is going to do that? Lol. They all protect each other and their puppet masters.
Half of them need to be fired.
Most of them have no business being on the bench to begin with.
Start with Judge Judy and Judge Wapner!
Especially six of the nine on the SCOTUS.
2 judges in Pa. Got covicted for receiving millions of dollars from a private juvenile youth prison. Parents who were poor and couldn't afford lawers or thought their kids needed to be punished . They sent them to the prison for very minor infractions.
Cash for kids scandal. There's even a law and order svu episode inspired by this.
60 minutes did a segment on thst
Steve has done a few videos on that case too
there's been a video about that some time ago on here..
The judges were getting kickbacks from the corporation running the juvenile detention facility.
This is about US! Thank you for covering this case and exposing what dishonorable judge Eric Eighmy of Taney Country, Missouri did to us. Some facts that might not have been clear:
1. We have been CA residents since 2010, enrolled in public schools there, attend church there, work in the entertainment industry there and our friends are there. We had not lived in MO in almost a decade when this custody case was filed there. Missouri should NOT have had jurisdiction, CA should have.
2. There was already an open and active custody case in CA that was filed there way before the one in Missouri. It’s was unresolved and pending and according to UCCJEA law, you cannot have multiple custody cases open in multiple states at the same time. Again, Missouri did NOT have jurisdiction.
3. Dishonorable Judge Eric Eighmy refused to listen when he was told about the case in CA and kept the MO one going costing thousands in legal fees just to try to get an official UCCJEA hearing to prove one and for all we are CA residents. He NEVER gave us a hearing even though we filed for one and explained this to him in multiple filings from our attorneys! He ignored this completely and kept trying to make us come to Missouri.
3. Dishonorable Judge Eric Eighmy was previously our Grandmothers personal attorney and she FIRED him for malpractice! He should have recused himself from any hearing regarding us because of this alone! We filed asking for his recusal and he denied our filings.
4. He ordered us to fly from CA to Missouri and appear before him under the threat of arrest! That’s the ONLY reason we went because we don’t recognize Missouri as having jurisdiction over us.
5. At court before anything was presented Dishonorable Judge Eric Eighmy from the bench that he did not approve of kids in the entertainment business. He was biased before he heard any evidence!
6. After court was over that day, our Dad went outside the courthouse to the parking lot with my Grandparents. They stood there quietly talking while waiting on us. My Dad had told us to go talk to our Mom in private and that he would be waiting out front. We were being quiet, standing in the hallway and explaining to her our reasoning. She was listening and we were not being loud or making a scene. It was literally just us talking to her when somehow the Dishonorable Judge decided to involve himself! Our Mom did not know where he was taking us or what was going on at that time. Our Dad certainly did not know and was just waiting on us to walk out of the courthouse as it was going to be closing for the day and most people had gone home.
7. While our Dad was waiting outside, two armed deputies ran from the front door of the courthouse screaming out to him to leave or he would be arrested! He didn’t realize they were even directing this towards him at first as he was simply talking to his parents on a public sidewalk, in front of their cars and the courthouse. When he did, he asked why and they would give no reason. He tried to explain he was wait on us and they were trying to arrest him. He got in the car, asking for their badge number and name and they refused and kept yelling for him leave now! He locked the door and started the car. He picked up his phone to take their photo and they said put it down, leave now or be arrested so he did. He had no idea what was happening until hours later.
8. This story hit the national news and was probably really embarrassing to the Judge. We filed a police report for kidnapping (this meets the definition in MO) and they didn’t do anything but tell us to file a complaint. We filed a complaint to the office that handles judges discipline in MO and they did nothing. We filed a complaint with the MO attorney Generals Office and they told us to file a complaint with the judges discipline office even though in our complaint we told them we already had! It was like the didn’t even read it.
9. Dishonorable Judge Eighmy ordered us back to court during the pandemic of 2020 even though he had already acknowledged on record that any further proceedings should not be held in MO since we lived in CA and our Mom lived in Utah. During the pandemic we went to our families farm in Louisiana for about 6 months. We were scared and refused to go to Missouri again because of what the judge there did to us and the fact that he had admitted on the record that he would not have further jurisdiction over us. We didn’t show up but sent our attorney to explain this. He didn’t listen and instead issued a “pick up order” which is basically an arrest warrant. We were arrested and spent two nights in solitary confinement until the Missouri Supreme Court kicked him off the case and undid his rulings.
This has all cost our family thousands upon thousands of dollars just to try to undo the damage this out of control dishonorable judge has caused.
Our only other option was to sue him but it was our last resort because none of the Missouri officials would do anything to stop him. We hope to set new case law that will help others by doing so, expose this tyrant of a judge and put a stop to him “playing God” in people’s personal lives that he has no jurisdiction on.
Consider this:
Not once did he ask is WHY we didn’t want to live in Utah. Not once did he ask us about our love for acting and being in the entertainment industry in Hollywood. Not once did he let us speak because we were not allowed in the court room and sent to stand in the hallway. We were TEENS, not little 5 year olds!
Not once did he let our Dad speak in court. When our Dad attempted to say something he was hushed. No evidence was ever heard in this case in MO! It was all a bunch of arguing over jurisdiction and the judge stating his biased opinions and setting rules for us to follow.
In our opinion, he should never be allowed to hear another case and should be removed from the bench. If enough people stand up and speak out this could actually happen but it’s going to take action. We have started it with this lawsuit and appreciate all of your support. You can reach us under our RUclips Channel or on any social media under our names . (Our accounts are verified with a blue check mark) Kadan Rockett and Brooklyn Rockett.
By the way, we live with our Dad full time now, continue or work in the entertainment industry and are happy. We just want Justice for what this tyrant did to us.
Grow up.
I am sorry for all that you have been put through not only by this corrupt and evil judge, but by those who enable him. Government should work in the interests of the people, but unfortunately in your case and many others, it does not. Our Founding Fathers created a limited government, but the state in current times has turned into a all-powerful monster running roughshod over the rights of Americans.
As your case involved at least four states, California, Louisiana, Utah, and Missouri, I would think that this should be considered a federal issue. If the Missouri state government is derelict in their duties to reign in their incompetence and abuse of power, then the federal government should weigh in.
Steve Lehto should pin your comment, so all of the details that you have provided should be easily visible to his viewers.
I wish you success.
Keep the pressure on!!
That judge has definitely done A LOT of other shady stuff and gotten away with it. Kudos to the Dad for not letting it slide
I've witnessed plenty of deplorable behavior from those on the bench.
I’ve personally sold blow to a judge. Like 5x a week for 3 years. While he was a judge. He’s still a judge but he quit partying
@@jackstraw262might want to check the statute of limitation for selling...
@@roflchopter11 there’s no statute of limitations for that federal conspiracy charge buddy and I was “enterprising” the hell out of everything I did back then. But when? Where?
...and deplorable behaviour from those who are so-called "law enforcement".
I've only been to court once, were you a lawyer or something?
Our gov. employees are "held to a higher standard" yet ignorance of the law is not a defense for we the people who are supposedly held to a LOWER standard.
No accountability, so they aren't held to any standards.
If you don’t know a law and break it your told ignorance isn’t an excuse , you know enough to talk back and your insulted with “ what are you a lawyer”
Ignorance and Incompetence is unfortunately the perfect defence for Police and Judiciary...
I'd say, equality for all, it's the right thing to do.
They are not held to any standards who told you the lie you believe. If they are held at a higher standard then why would they have qualified immunity. Another example: 5 Mississippi Sherriff deputies raid a house with 2 black men hand cuffed them, assault them physically and sexual will dildos put a gun in one of the men's mouths and shot but they are not arrested and only fired. 😅😅😅 held to a higher standard my ass.
That judge needs to be in jail
Actually that would be to kind. Its time we take back our country and our rights from the corrupt government.
@donbeam4072 c’mon man, have some compassion for the people in jail already! 🤣
@@davidjames6788 Put on your thinking cap. Be creative!
@@davidjames6788violating someone's civil rights IS often considered criminal.
@@davidjames6788Democracy is the God that failed.
There was a case in California in the 1990s that made it to the Supremes. A lawyer was in a court room waiting for a case to be called for a routine matter. In the mean time, he had another case in another courtroom. Usually the judge would take care of some mundane matters first. When the judge was ready for the case and the lawyer wasn't present, he sent his two bailiffs to the other courtroom to "drag him here, and not too gently". They did. And not too gently. The lawyer sued and the Supremes dismissed the case because by ordering the bailiffs to drag him into his courtroom he was acting in a judicial capacity. If he had said it a few minutes earlier before the case was called, he wouldn't have been and could have been sued.
Currently there is a case pending in the Fourth Circuit. In a divorce proceeding the judge decided to move the court to the man's house so the ex-wife could reclaim certain items. The man objected and the court ignored him. They even went so far to threaten him with arrest for obstructing justice if he refused to stop recording. He sued and the judge lost immunity because she took the court outside of the court house. Besides her trespass, the bailiff also trespassed as did two deputies and I believe the court clerk. Apparently this wasn't the first time the judge had done this.
Judge Goldston from West Virginia. I have seen the video the ex-husband was able to take on Institute for Justice.
Is there a law to stop judges from conducting legal proceedings outside a courtroom? Testimony has been given in a hospital room when a witness/victim could not be moved or was close to death.
@@leondillon8723
The court is where the judge holds court. That can include a hospital room but generally there needs to be some compelling reason to move out of a court room.
The most offensive part of this, to me, is the essential message of the appeal court being that it was only actionable because he did it himself. If he had ordered a bailiff to do it, and stubbornly ignored the bailiffs objections, or threatened the bailiff with jail for contempt if they refused, he would have gotten away with it.
Because they he would have been imprisoning unrepresented 3rd parties without cause 'like a judge'.
yeah, that seems wrong to me as well. It also seems wrong that it's apparently OK for a judge to order children to be arrested because a parent misses court. How exactly is it just to jail any person - let alone a child - for the actions of another? The fact that the person jailed was related to the person who missed court doesn't make it better. If the police came to my house and arrested me because of something my parents did - something that has nothing to do with me aside from the fact that I am related to them - I would consider that to be wrong. Any system that allows the innocent to be incarcerated is not a system that should exist.
I also question how this is allowed at the constitutional level. The 5th Amendment says that no one shall be "deprives of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.".Due process, in turn, means that a citizen who will be affected by a government decision must be given advance notice of what the government plans to do and how the action may deprive them of life, liberty, or property. Jailing a person for failing to appear in court would be constitutionally valid, but jailing a person because someone else failed to appear in court would not be. Given this it sets a very bad precedent to not punish a judge for failing to follow the 5th Amendment. If the government can deprive a person of a right without consequence the right doesn't exist in practice.
Children deserve to have their wishes considered when it comes to custody. They are not property but people, who have feelings and relationships, and opinions about their own futures.
When they say good of the children? They are talking about the mother. It makes sense when you think about it.
He didn't give the age of the kids. But at 16, they do have a say in where they go.
As a child of divorce, I strongly feel that unless a good reason can be provided against it (poor living conditions, not enough supervision, ect) kids should get to choose who they live with as young as 10.
As a former child of divorce, children should be allowed to pick. Kids know what's going on, better than any outsider. My sibling and I picked different parents, and the one we each picked worked best for each of us. There wasn't any clear "bad guy" in my parents' divorce, they just couldn't be reasonable people in each other's presence. Now granted, other divorces can involve worse problems, but it's still the case that kids see it all, and parents standing in front of a judge are going to spin their stories. Kids know.
@@steveb6103 - In my state its 12 and in my other state its 14. Much earlier. And under protest they recognize kids as young as 8 and usually honor their wishes as long as no obvious issues exist.
I was talking to a divorce attorney who said she was moving into corporate law. Is it that bad, I ask? She says that her client called because her ex was 15 min late for his visitation: "What can we do!!?" The attorney replied: "Have a cup of coffee." Priceless.
Notice that it was a woman doing the complaining. Women initiate almost 80% of all divorces.
Never enter a contract when the other party is incentivized to break it.
@@williamclayton956610 thumbs up for you
@@williamclayton9566 OP does not in any way state which one initiated the divorce. One does not equal the other.
My grandma sued my aunt over visitation issues. Though it wasn't her being a bit late that led to the lawsuit but her refusing to show up for multiple visits in a row without calling ahead to reschedule or just outright cancel the visit.
And for the curious my Aunt basically dropped her youngest daughter off at my Grandma's (her mom's) house and basically just left her to babysit her for months at a time. And expected her to pay for her daughter's food, diapers, toys, and clothes out of the goodness of my grandma's heart. This eventually led to a custody battle since both parties wanted to claim her on their taxes and my grandma won since she was effectively her primary caregiver and had been so for the better part of a year at that point.
And to be brutally honest I really don't like said Aunt since she decided to steal my dad's vehicle at one point and got in accident with it. Of course, my dad wasn't willing to call the cops on her and report that the vehicle was stolen so his car insurance went up because of her accident. So she's a pretty shitty individual.
Why tf can’t these teenagers decide who they want to live with? It’s their lives and it’s ridiculous that a court has to decide it for them.
If I was forced into foster care when I had 2 willing parents, I would run away.
and what if you had two parents who were treating you as a possession? not saying that is the case in this scenario, but there is a question of why the teens were objecting to the arrangement the parents were negotiating.
@@kenbrown2808 not the case in this event. The parents agreed on a plan that the kids didn’t like.
@@arribaficationwineho32 and we don't know why the kids didn't like it.
@@kenbrown2808 but no reason to be locked in a jail cell by a JUDGE! Since when do judges swoop in and jail children?
@@kenbrown2808 I see the kids born in 2003 and 2007 had been living solely with their father for years on the opposite side of the country from the mother pursuing entertainment careers and were apparently perfectly happy in that situation.
Then after the kids get featured on some major TV network program the mother comes in to petition a change to the arrangement in 2018 that entails forcing the kids to move across the country for a month out of the year against their wishes -- presumably she wanted much more than that, and the two parents came to compromise. Only problem is a compromise that still has an unwanted forced disruption to the kids' lives is still a crappy thing - If the kids want to reject a change as not good for them, then it seems only right, and the courts failed them.
So anyway it seems to me the Mother is the only one maybe trying to treat them as a possession here --- not the parents in general. Imagine the impact of kids suddenly being forced to move from Louisiana to Missouri and be confined in a strange house out in some strange city with no way of going about their normal business.
Our Judges, Prosecutors, and police should be expected to be MORE informed on the law and the rights of the people than the average person, and as such should also face harsher penalties for violating them
Abso-%ucking-lutley!!!!! More authority requires more scrutiny, a higher standard, and a higher penalty for screwing up.
If only more people thought this way.
I have a friend who is a judge and her observation about judges is this; far too many of them get their egos bruised when everyone doesn't bow down to them.
You had a judge right there in Michigan who sent three children, ages 9, 10 and 13, to a juvenile detention facility for 17 days for ignoring her order to visit with their father.
Oh, yes. _That_ was the case I was thinking of.
So much for children being old enough to tell a judge they don't want to see a parent. I do know of a case in Ohio where the judge said they would talk to a tween before issuing their final judgment, only to make a final judgment without talking to the tween. If the step-sibling harms the tween the judge should be held liable, but the chances are slim to none.
Should have been the mother. Kids at that age, 13 year old possible, don’t get the choice. Mother should have been saying “it’s important to see your dad too” instead she was probably telling her kids how horrible he is bla bla bla. Parent alienation should be considered child abuse. Court said I was to get full custody and I bent over backwards to get mom the help she needed so she could eventually see her kids so this isn’t a rant from a dad who had this happen to him this is a sensible person who thinks alienation is horrible.
@@realitywave Well the mom could have shown that in court but she did not and the court ordered the kids to see their dad. Courts already favour the moms and the fact that this court ordered kids to see their dad tells me everything I need to know. Obviously the dad was not a monster or do you think he was so cleaver that he tricked the judge? No. But if a parent, not just dads, is a monster then that is different than alienation and no the kids don't deserve to be pushed into bad situations.
Some parents only want visitation because they know it’s heart wrenching for their ex to not see the kids on a daily basis then they ignore the kids for the whole visit
Family court judge’s actions and decisions should be quietly investigated routinely. They are some of the worst behaving bunch nationwide.
It doesn't help when the people in family court are basically acting like animals.
They basically haven't had any accountability to anyone but radical feminists and the 'protect all the Angelic Women' brigades of the Tradcons for decades and hence you get what you get.
@@jordanwardle11 completely agree. Seeing bad behavior all the time doesn’t give them a pass for their own bad behavior, though. I could watch a circus act every day for a year straight. That doesn’t mean I’ll start acting like a clown.
That's because they were divorce lawyers and learned bad habits.
They did wonders for men never considering marriage as an option or children, at least in the US & Europe.
And nobody at the jail thought that maybe this was wrong and said no to the judge, what happened to people with a good moral compass saying no to authority?
They won't allow that in government
if they work their they just do as they told. in other words pos just kissing ass
People who work on the enforcement side of the law are usually required to follow court orders. at best they could have delayed acting on it, had they been so inclined
If anyone at the jail pushed back against the judge, they would have been standing in the unemployment line before the children were in their cells.
Pensions and Paychecks.
There is not a chance in hell the bailiffs would question a judges orders!
According to LAW, this judge MUST BE immediately arrested, charged, tried, convicted, and imprisoned as REQUIRED by LAW. And permanently disbarred.
It reminds me of the judge in a divorce case who personally searched and siezed the husband's property from hid home under the threat of contempt or arrest as the bailiff was there.
She asked the wife if specific property was hers, and took it for the wife.
She was also not given immunity.
And when asked about it, the bailiff said HE WOULD DO IT AGAIN! That bailiff said he'll do anything the judge says. Despicable.
That case, along with the bailiffs response, is just one example of why I think ALL government employees should be required to take classes about the Constitution annually to keep their jobs. They let power and immunity go to their heads.
I remember that case!
This sounds like the judge has pulled this stunt quite a few times in the past, just this time the parents had the resources to push back
DAD. The Father did. Mom was all too happy to see this go down.
The children should have been given seperate legal representation by the court as a seperate party.
😂😂😂😂 not in family court …. They do whatever they want there
The judge is the court. I sincerely doubt the same judge that locked the kids up would appoint them an attorney.
The legal term is "ad litem" attorney, or guardian ad litem. They are selected by the family court judge, usually someone the judge knows (wink wink). And their time is billed to one or both of the parents. So it's an "all you can eat buffet".
@@JudgedMentalMusic Not true. The court can assign a Guardian Ad Litem to represent the interests of the children.
@@brendanriuz2864 SHOULD...
I love your faith in the bailiff to question a judge's bad decisions beyond the judges scope. I'd be shocked if that actually happened in real life. You don't get judges doing this or judges showing up at people's home and forcing their way in if there was this kind of checks and balances with regards to abuse of power. Which there is not
This should have been a pinned comment.
Most people who have a wife and kids and house payment to pay do what they are told.
Weird how there is no Immunity involved from a judge to a bailiff.
Only the public.
Hence why most corruption happens. There is no safeguard for whistleblowers.
Not is there any protection for the system itself once you are in it.
This judge needs criminal charges of kidnapping.
The psychological damage this will have done to already traumatised children. Judge seems to have no understanding at all of the consequences of his decisions on the children.
you don't get it, people become cops, lawyers and judges because they like hurting people ! they're addicted to power !
very few people become lawyers to help people. like Steve.
Do you really think they care?
They do when it's their kids.
If personal accountability is so important for the average citizen like you and I, why do judges need immunity? Hold these hypocrites to the same standard that they hold everyone else to.
Because every case/controversy has a side that will, at the end, "win", and one that will "lose". If there was no judicial (see my other comment) immunity, the losers would sue endlessly until they won. Judge has got to have JUDICIAL immunity to make judicial decisions. That shouldn't mean that they can do whatever the f they want. The judge is a referee, and their immunity only ONLY extends to their DECISIONS (not necessarily actions) that they make with a case/controversy in front of them that they have jurisdiction (very important - bankruptcy judges can't hear divorce cases) to hear.
@@williamclayton9566nd they should lose that immunity when they overstepped their boundaries like this one. He should be disbarred, charged with felony kidnapping, and sentenced, serving time in prison.
You do not threaten two innocent teens with foster care simply for pointing out their descent.
Immunity for anyone is ridiculous.
Because the law is the facade of corruption. It is there to give the perception of fairness and justice while in reality it is merely there to placate the poor while serving and protecting the interests of the elites. Look no further than Jeffery Epstein if you need a fucking reality check on this point. The entire judicial system is nothing more than actors dressing in ridiculous costumes and proclaiming themselves as the arbiters of justice.
The best we can do is find creative ways to deal with them. Tamper with their breaks during mechanical work, drop drain cleaner. into their drink when preparing it at restaurants, drive them to the middle of nowhere in an Uber, otherwise destroy them in public refuse to sell them, tear them or their families apart at social functions, create problems with their children by reporting them to child protective services, call for “wellness checks” on their family members. Report them for red flag laws, set up security systems near their home and report their coming and going as suspicious activity to the police. Look up local home ordinances and nitpick every violation you can possibly interpret. Go extreme and take out billboard space insinuating they are pedos or just broadcast their abuses to the general public. In short make their life a living hell. Most importantly work from a distance, collaborate with others independently and never together or collectively.
@@williamclayton9566 No no no. See. If the Judge did everything LEGALLY, and the criminal is in fact GUILTY, then I agree. Full Immunity.
But if the Judge does something ILLEGAL, he should lose ALL Protections on the spot, right then and there.
@@williamclayton9566
So the court can decide to trash your legitimate lawsuit without ever having read it, the appeals court can presume the lower court got it right and throw your formal brief in the trash without having ever read it, and SCOTUS can publicly announce that they’re throwing your petition for writ of certiorari (along with thousands of others) in the trash because they want to only review the cases they have a personal agenda in pursuing and they want to go home early?
How is any of that “Equal Justice Under Law”? How is that any different than in Soviet Russia, China, and North Korea, where the people are victims to the whims and personal agendas of the judges?
I’d just move forward with impeachments left and right against the judges that have shown clear bias, apathy, laziness, etc. and have them be confronted about the harm they’ve caused. We already have issues with judges abusing their powers to issue unpublished decisions (because they’re too cowardly and lazy to actually stand by their rulings), so why should they enjoy more luxuries of high power, low standards/expectations? If I was as lazy, incompetent, and callous as the average US judge, my ass would’ve been FIRED within the month, especially considering the amount of harm those judges’ FAILURES cause to hundreds of people’s lives.
Prosecutorial Immunity is one of the worst as it's even more shielding that qualified immunity. Look up the example of a Prosecutor out of New Orleans in the 1990s who basically falsified evidence and withheld exculpatory evidence in several cases, one in which a man was going to be sent to death row for a murder he didn't commit, and they couldn't prosecute him at all. His name is Harry Connick Sr and Yes, he is Harry Connick Jr's dad
I'm glad you know the difference. I really believe the cops on the ground NEED some form of limited immunity, not to mention they are merely the 'footmen' of the far more protected and unaccountable Judges and Prosecutors with their basically unlimited immunities.
@@remo27 If soldiers don't get any form of immunity, Why should they?
@@MickeyMishra But in fact, soldiers do get some forms of immunity. For one, they are not tried by civilians nor by the countries they are based/stationed in but by the US Military Justice system, at least when they doing their official duties. Laws concerning murder and such are different for soldiers in wartime and in 'warzones'. Soldiers often live apart from civilians and don't always interact that much with them. To compare policemen and soldiers is asinine. Cops are also supposed to enforce the law. Their primary mission is law enforcement, not 'killing the officially designated enemy". Cops usually interact with civilians hundreds of times individually over the course of a year. It's an entirely different mission. The last thing cops need is the threat of civilian lawsuits for every thing they do, esp as they are neither lawyers nor judges but take their orders from higher up.
@@remo27then there should be even more onus on them to learn the laws they are to enforce and to make sure they themselves stay within the law.
Qualified immunity only leads to more distrust of the police and proof they are hypocritical in their enforcement of law. It's tyranny 101 laws for thee but not for me.
Yes it's from the top down, look at the presidents son right now but that doesn't mean we should allow it at the bottom.
Unaccountable cops are a danger to the public.
@@Bean5prout A) There are plenty of cops sitting in jail right now for things. Some they did, some they arguably didn't do and were thrown under the bus. I don't need to hear any whining about how police are unaccountable when Prosecutors and Judges (which can sic the police on you) are even more so. I think there might have been one Prosecutor that went to jail as a result of something he did as a Prosecutor in my entire life, and I'm 52. B) No one can know all the laws. In fact, it's obvious you don't know anything much about the law if you believe everyone can know all the laws, even at a Statewide level. It's why lawyers specialize. And then there's the fact that lots of laws are quite vague. How are they to be interpreted? Well, that's up to the Judges, all the way to the Supreme Court. Cops don't make or interpret law. They have to rely on policies based on these interpretations. And there aren't policies for everything. Now all of this is a good argument to why we have TOO MANY DAMN LAWS. It's not a good argument to try to make cops responsible for stuff they never learn and have no power to change or interpret.
Why does stuff like this seem to happen so often in Missouri? So the AG believes judges should be able to extra-legally coerce children into agreements?
MO AG is a goon. The stunts he was pulling on public libraries when this video came out demonstrates a baffling lack of judgement and accountability for a statewide elected official.
Family court judges need a reality check. They get to play God in their room, outside of it they are just a guy in a bathrobe.
and underneath those robes they are wearing fishnet stockings... well, the men anyway.
Family court judges preside over the worst of the worst.
That is why family court should be under state Supreme Court review in any case that is contested! Family court is the only legalized mafia in the country, they don’t answer to anyone! Their rulings are final!
There shouldn't be family court judges. People should handle their family problems themselves without government coming in to "help".
That is all most all judges.
This bothers me so much. My parents divorced and I would have terrified to be forced to live my father. He wasn’t bad enough on paper to lose custody rights, but he was an awful person and as a kid I cried when they would separate then get back together. None of us kids wanted him in the house. Now I am in my 40s and am no contact.
As a kid, that fear of having my choices taken away was overwhelming. I hate how kids get treated in these disputes.
Yeah, if the teenage kids are vehemently arguing with the decision, you've maybe made the wrong decision
At 54, my father divorced my mother when I was 6 months old. Throughout growing up, my dad was married again 4 more times. I think he was trying to keep up with Liz Taylor. Anyway, what happened to bringing the kids into the chambers to speak with them. What happened to having empathy for them. I don’t always agree with what kids do or say because some can be very manipulative but that’s what a judge is supposed to wade through and make an appropriate decision. This clown just simply doesn’t need to be on the bench. PERIOD
@@schrodingerscat3741 Why think about your own decisions when you as a government employee can throw them in jail and threaten to take away everyone's rights and hand them over to some random people you know nothing about to make them shut up and comply? That's freedom, or something.
I was in that boat, I decided if my dad got custody, I was going cross country so he couldnt find me. Thank god the judge saw things my way.
@@rebeccamartin2399 When I was young, my dad had alternate weekend visitation with me and my brother and I didn't want to go.
When I reached the age of 12, I learned that I'd have to wait another two years or more to be able to decide for myself that I no longer wanted to go.
So I started "disappearing" on my bicycle as pickup time approached, and apparently a few months later my parents got the visitation judgement changed, as I was no longer even asked to be around for pickup.
One of my friends from college is a divorce lawyer and often writes posts about how he counsels his clients to abandon the idea of punishing their spouses. Especially when children are involved. It does so much damage to the children to see their parents being so spiteful to each other. And as a purely practical matter, it costs a lot more money to have lawyers fighting over things.
Virtue signaling
It’s sick. Judges needed to follow ACTUAL LAWS. THEY CAN’T MAKE UP THEIR OWN!! Good for the high court to let the lawsuit stand.
Glad to at least one judge held to account for behaving badly. I have had my own experience with a bad judge. Eviction court (yes Missouri AGAIN) Everybody who was waiting for their case to come up including me was told we were not allowed to defend ourselves or even to speak in court or we would be charged with contempt. We were all guilty by virtue of being there. One person tried to speak and they were hauled away by court officials. I couldn't afford to take the chance because I had no money to get myself out of trouble. (disabled), so I had no choice but to obey. The ruling was we had 3 days to move. We found out later that the landlord had sold the house out from under us without any notice, but it never mattered. Missouri is notorious for bad judges through the 80s and 90s ~~~~
yes Missouri has some of the very worst Tenant’s rights in the country! And thus the explodinngg homeless population who are just poor-not just drug users.
Couldn't you file for an appeal? If you kept your mouth shut because you were ordered to, then that very day filed for an appeal, it wouldn't have done anything fast enough to affect you given the 3 day deadline, but it might have allowed you to later on seek damages from the landlord. Sure, appeals usually cost money, but most states have forms that low income persons can fill out to have filing fees waives. A person on disability income is automatically entitled to that.
@@beastshawnee check out the work being done by KC Tenants the last few years in NW MO
The truly sad thing, this wasn't the case I thought you were talking about. The judge in that case was Lisa Gorcya What does it say that there have been multiple cases where different judges have jailed the kids in a custody dispute.
The judicial system has no ability to be parents. The judicial system's only function in "family law" is to try to bludgeon and threaten the actual parents into doing their jobs as parents. Sometimes obviously that will take the form of jailing children or threatening to put them in foster care. Unfortunate, tragic, but that's probably because every divorce with children involved is already unfortunate and tragic.
This is what happens when there is no accountability, due to immunity!
And that goes for every part of government at every level.
It makes you wonder why soldiers and sailors don't have any sort of immunity but please judges and everyone else does?
I've seen a judge in robes outside of a courtroom exactly one time, while I was a juror. We had been stuck in the assembly room for the entire day, leaving once for lunch and then going right back to the assembly room, and finally at the end of the day the judge personally came down, thanked us for sticking around, advised us that there had been delays due to an attorney calling in sick and then complications with finding a replacement, and then dismissed us.
He shouldn't just be facing a civil suit; he should be facing charges for kidnapping and criminal confinement and several decades in prison.
This new era of closer scrutiny of the entire judicial system from the judges down to the cops is long overdue in coming. It's a good thing that should continue, and I believe will end in good results for the people as opposed to the people in power.
Just because you're a judge, doesn't mean you have any common sense.
This should be a postcard.
I once had a federal judge threaten to lock me up for drilling a hole in a concrete floor, 3 floors away…saying that it was disruptive to his courtroom…come to find out that he was in chambers…not even in court.
He sent the court Marshall’s to intimidate me.
He sent bailiffs... a courtmartial is where you get shot.
Threat, duress, coercion, on children. There used to be gallows outside the Courthouses, and they were also to remind oath-breakers and traitors to the People what the consequences were.
Exactly my sentiment
exactly if it was my kids that judge certainly wouldn't have the ability to make a statement to anybody right now
People in government and if you are rich enough never face actual consequences.
@@mikepalmer2219
They don't face consequences because the people have been drugged and brainwashed into being passive, indoctrinated into being obedient citizen servants, and because they are in fear. The founders of what was the United States of America specifically wrote a protection into our founding documents, we the people are the power. We the people exercise our power over the legislator and the government that we may choose to institute as a servant, through the Grand jury process operating in parallel to American common law, and bearing arms.
@@mikepalmer2219that’s only because they haven’t crossed the right people yet. The father in this case is the wrong person. He’s way too nice. If a judge did that to my kids he’d hang from an overpass.
My stepfather was a judge. One of the things he did like was the authority to marry people. but just as you mentioned, he felt the same about family court. He did that ONE time on a fill in basis. He said NEVER AGAIN!
That should be first degree kidnapping
What pops into my mind is the testimony of a police officer who was called to Johnny Depp and Amber "what's her name" "house".
He was asked why he did not arrest anyone. The officers response was "There is no law against arguing with your wife"
I thought that was a pretty intelligent answer.
Imagine anyone else having almost lost a finger, and getting away with that scott free. Amber Turd deserves that moniker for life. And the court systems in 3 countries all failed this man.
Nice to know that at least his suit for damages for libel was at least won.
To bad Amber never had to pay the money. Any man would have too.
@@MickeyMishra she used her woman card😂😂😂the privilege of being a pampered, spoiled woman!
This is like the judge that went through someone's house in person to conduct divorce proceedings....
So the moral of this story is that you shouldn’t throw the kids that are subjects, not participants in a custody dispute in jail even when they are acting like the adolescents that they are…. Funny how almost all laypeople would get that, and a Judge would Not! 😂😜😳
I wonder if the judge has kids….🤔🤔🤔
Also threatening the kids to comply or go to juvie hall, is a crime that was not addressed. That is called duress under color of law. That is illegal.
“Men are not born stupid, they are born ignorant. They are subsequently made stupid by education.” ― Betrand Russell
Isn't this the same thing as happened in Birmingham, MI a few years ago? The judge in Michigan removed the children from both parents to try to force them to settle their custody battle. In that case they were held for months in juvenile detention, as if they had committed a crime. My memory is that in that case the judge was sanctioned for doing this.
Should have been struck off.
This reminds me of the case recently where a judge overseeing a divorce went to the husbands home and told the wife what she could have. And told the husbands attorney he would be sent to jail if he objected or recorded it..
"No one can find any judge acting remotly the same way."
ChatGTP enters the room.
Sounds like the premise for a bad movie about a dystopian future where AI has taken over most government jobs.
@@Caffin8tor AI would do a better job than the idiots we currently have in charge.
@@Caffin8tor Very Kurt Vonnegut
All qualified immunity has to end
I think it has it's place, it just must be severely restricted imo
@@Vamooso it has no place period. It's abhorrently stupid. As are any who support it. Granting them immunity in any form just gives them further incentive to be corrupt rather than uphold their duties.
@@gruntgamer4204 It certainly has its place, just go to europe :) we have it, and our places sure as f arent as trash as the states
@@DontUseHack I suggest you do more thorough research on your politicians then.
I disagree, respectfully. There should be common sense qualified immunity. The judge was clearly negligent and bordering on criminal behavior. He should be disbarred at a minimum.
What crime(s) did the kids commit?
_Disagreed with a judge._
Judge: "Arrest those underage children for .... not showing up to a divorce hearing?"
It's time to end qualified immunity forever
This sounded so familiar I had to look it up - something very similar to this happened in Michigan, where Michigan Family Court Judge Lisa Gorcyca found three children in contempt and jailed them for not having lunch with their estranged father as she demanded. The fact that there are two separate cases that are this similar just proves that there are too many judges who believe power makes them above the law
I always bring her up for the rampant lawlessness of the Family Court system.
She was punished though! The (GOP) controlled State Supreme Court decide her being suspended - the recommended of the judicial disciplinary committee - was too much, so instead she got a Formal Reprimand. Then the Voters would make a decision.
She ran unopposed after making sure all those attempting to run against here were dissuaded.
Incidentally, her and her husband were "Respected Members" of the Oakland county GOP & a big player in state politics.
I'm sure that had nothing to do with it.
The Universe: Steve, you’ve got to be a judge, what kind of judge do you want to be?
Steve: A retired judge!
Threatening with foster care is absolutely going to far. I was a foster kid and do you know what its like growing up with abusive sick drug addicts? I lost my childhood because of that
Nothing but pure rot in the judicial system. This father should never have had to lift a finger to bring this refuse of human waste masquerading as a judge to justice. This is why we need vigilante justice.
Father coulda beat the judge to a pulp and i wouldnt vote to convict him of sht
@@ThirtytwoJ the father could have taken a hatchet, dragged that judge into the middle of the street started hacking him up into little pieces and I’d give him a standing ovation when it went to trial.
@@gregogrady8027 we both know good and well you and I would be passed over on that jury, and having a drink together with the father at 5:10 pm.
Vigilante justice is the original and pure justice.
@@Yamaazaka im sure most dudes would prefer the asswhoopins to 8 years, 2 probation, and 10k in payments to the gov just to have to write down former fellon and take mcdonalds jobs.
The real story is when judges are protected even when they obviously are a threat to the general public. These people need to be fired and held responsible for their actions.
because calling to overhrow them by force is largely a crime They get to jail people for
This sounds way beyond what a judge should be doing.
What about the judge that when into people homes to "search" in cases.
My divorce was in California so you can only imagine how screwed I was being the man in the situation, the court did everything they could to insure my ex wouldn't lose all custody. She attempted to take full custody so she could get the maximum amount of support, money was her driving force and far as the kids happiness goes that didn't even factor in at all. In the beginning she was getting all but $400 of my monthly income, I could not believe the court would take over 90% of my income and force me to give it to her when she had a job and I had weekend custody that they called 20% but in reality it's 28.57% but they say "we round it off" which is also inaccurate and skewed way over into her favor. Hence the reason I would never ever consider getting married again or intermingling money with someone again, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
End qualified immunity for all public positions. You want to lie, you get sued. You want to violate rights, you get sued.
Honestly, the judge was no more abusive than every juvi court judge I’ve ever met. They just say the magic words ‘best interest of the child’ then everyone’s rights disappear.
Shouldn't the kids if over 10 be able to decide who they wanna live with? Why doesn't the Judge take their opinions into consideration? I feel children know who the better parent is most of the time as they are there living with them.
Yes and no. Kids that age are pretty easily manipulated, and parental alienation can be a real issue. It can be really subtle, and the best interest generally is for both parents to be involved 50/50.
Kids are Kids and don't always make decisions for the right reasons so you can take their thoughts into consideration, but they shouldn't be the decision maker.
Since when do court officers EVER question or refuse the judges order?!
"Courts are not there for you to hurt someone else..." unless of course, you are important enough in government or represent an agency of government, because then you aren't footing the bill for those vindictive lawyers, and those peons need to learn their place.
Personal experience. I had a brother who ran away from home in his teens (he ended up with some friends). The police and the lawyers involved all said that there was nothing they could do. They said he was too old (no crimes were commited etc). I feel like the supreme court had the same feelings over the matter.
I have seen a judge in the hallway in his robes talking with my mother once prior to her & my stepdads custody hearing, (both my mom & the judge were in the cult Jehovah's Witnesses which is how he got assigned the case) @ the end of the hearings, the judge said "Under normal circumstances I'd side with the father here- but I'm not going to do that." My mom got sole custody, & the 3 of us endured years of physical, emotional & sexual abuse @ her hands because of their skeezy way of gaming the system. At 14 I got emancipated as an adult by a different judge & left home. I haven't seen or talked to her again since, but do contact my siblings periodically. My stepdad later wrote a book entitled "what Lies behind the Truth". Unfortunately I never got a chance to read a copy of it before it was out of print.
When I was a child a judge actually asked me to decide which parent I wanted to have custody. In my case both parents were abusive in different ways so there was no right answer, but even if there was, it seems to me that it's just as bad for a judge to make the child decide right in front of the parents as it is for the child to be placed with an unfit parent.
@@Elliandr If I had been given a choice it would have bee my stepdad, my father or grandparents. My mother used anyone she could in her vie for control of us.
A judge's authority and ability to "act like a judge" should only exist within that judge's courtroom and chambers. Instead we hsve cases like thus and that oldrr one where the judge took her team and sesrched the defendant's house, seizing various items of dubious connection to the case.
It lawfully only does but some one higher up in the chain has to pursue the charges. Only thing a civilian can do is complain to the Bar association.
The Bailiff will do whatever his lord and master commands....I'd probably have a heart attack if I saw one of the mercenary foot soldiers called Police, Sheriffs/Deputies, Troopers, Marshalls or Bailiffs actually think, and act as the executive to reign in official misconduct on the part of the judiciary or legislator.
The problem here is that Judges think they have power over the ENTIRE Court house and not just their court rooms/chambers. We find this a lot with arbitrary no filming in the "Court House" orders by judges. When the only applicable areas you cannot record are Court ROOMs and Chambers or Hallways adjacent to court rooms when IN SESSION. A lot of these Judges are drunk on power, far too many. Reform Qualified/Absolute Immunity, it is abused far too much.
Judges often get away with nutty judgements & orders without any real consequences. This is just an example of what happens when one of them does it too often and gets used to enjoying immunity. There should be annual reviews of judges to make sure they are not acting against the way society expects them to.
The Judge in my sister's custody case ordered that my nephew be removed from a hospital and transferred to another hospital in her town, then called the CEO of the hospital and asked her to change the original hospital's diagnosis. (mental issue).
A federal public defender that commonly visited clients at my jail related that when he was in private practice, his partner got roped into working a family court case against his will. The judge needed to appoint someone for a case and randomly picked a name. The judge went on the continuously appoint this attorney to various cases that no one would willingly take. The Fed PD told me that it got so bad that his partner would vomit into the trashcan in his office before going to court every morning. The only ended when the partner moved across the country so he could not possibly be required by the judge to serve anymore.
disgusting, he should have had some professional recourse. How on earth did the judge know no one wanted them?? They got to decline???? It's all a cult, and we ain't in it.
If a judge punches someone during a case (other than in defence of self or another), that is surely outside the scope of judicial action, which attracts immunity. Here the judge presumably went 'rogue' and in jailing the children was not within judicial authority.
I've seen a video where a Judge told the dispatcher , he will invoke "The Castle Doctrine" and "off" A guy....
Your"house" is the "Castle" ...in the "Castle Doctrine"
Meanwhile the Judge is standing in the street assaulting the guy , pointing his gnu at the guy head...who's in the bed of his own truck.
How can the judge invoke anything
Good! Immunity to these public figures has gone way too far!
“Power corrupts; ABSOLUTE power corrupts absolutely.”
Tried being civil with my ex. She was a horrible person who hired lawyers who were equally as horrible. Faced every baseless accusation under the sun and cost me 150k just to not be a deadbeat dad or go to jail for things that never happened. Would’ve been nice if the judge had done his job and not been so lazy to let it all continue.
I'm sorry man. Hope you're doing good now.
@@alex2143 playing the long game it’s getting better
@@benjaminboshaw8858 Hope you got some people to confide in.
Why would the AG say that is within the function? That AG should be fired or at least investigated and put on leave immediately. The corruption and buddy buddy in the judicial system gives me 0 confidence in anything they do anymore.
This is truly unreal
Having worked in the juvenile justice system in Illinois I know for a fact that juveniles can not be locked up unless they have been adjudicated delinquent minors. The only exception would be pretrial detainment until the adjudication hearing takes place.
So, out of curiosity, what would have happened if the Missouri judge ordered some children in Illinois to be jailed? Because in this case the children were in Louisiana and the local police of that area had to comply with the orders of the Missouri judge. Obviously it's a violation of the 5th Ammendment to arrest a person without due process, which is exactly what happened here. Even if they weren't children you aren't supposed to arrest people just because they are related to the person who missed court. Still, since the 8th Circuit said that the judge can't be held accountable for that action it means that such a thing could happen again, so what would realistically happen? Would the local police have enough information to be able to say "no, we can't arrest these kids" or would they just see the warrant and follow orders without knowing all the facts?
Pretty sad when a judge doesn't recognize the Constitution. Fourteenth Amendment: _"... No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; _*_nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."_*
I'd say laying hands on two kids who weren't even in the courtroom and throwing them in a jail cell without them having broken any laws is definitely outside the tenets of "due process".
The judge and DA need to be dealt with.
"Some attorneys thrive on that". Yeah,some do, at least for awhile. Many years ago, my dad knew of a couple of attorneys like that in the town he grew up in. It seemed in that small town, these two attorneys loved divorce cases. They both operated out of the same small office building so one would take the guy and the other would take the woman. They would pit both parties against each other and in the end, the only winner was the two attorneys. It was a pretty nice gig for the attorneys until they messed with an old farmer. This farmer and his wife were getting a divorce so the lawyers began their game. At some point the farmer wised up as to what was going on and he put a permanent end to the partnership. Old farmer shows up one morning with a 12 Ga shotgun, shoots and kills lawyer number one, goes down the hall, shoots and kills the second lawyer then kills himself! Sometimes Karma hits really hard.
Kept f-ing around long enough and you are bound to f -around with the wrong one and find out that you have been f-ted up, real bad.
To the extent this was reported in the press I predict : 1) It was strictly local news and 2) No real reason would have been given for the farmer's actions, or, in the off chance they mention the divorce they blame the deaths on 'patriarchal entitlement' or some such and the two deceased were lionized as upstanding members of the bar and the community.
Wow
I got to know where this went on! Seems like stories like this would be a good thing to study.
@@albertstephen2426 Reminds me of the officer who walked back to where a bear was on a property, and it kept chasing him. Then the homeowner said "SHOW HIM YOUR BADGE"!
Sad situation. Think of how torn their hearts are - arguing in the hall over which parent to live with.
I'm sad for them. Bless their hearts.
[It's not funny, BTW.]