Buff Nerf DBFZ Tier List!
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- Опубликовано: 8 окт 2024
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nerf and slight nerf boxes should change places, it's kinda annoying me tbh😭
Same
True
Thank god it's not just me 😭
Facts
Now that you mention it... I cannot ignore it
I really want them to revert the meter penalty and properly nerf characters. That shit was so lazy
yup
Keep the meter penalty and nerf them even more
@@downer9099you have to admit the ki nerfs don't make sense now lol. They replaced nerfing Gogeta moves to nerf his ki. That's lazy and bandai knew that.
@@BASEDWRLDK I don't care if it doesn't make sense lmao. I hate those characters lmao
Lazy but it worked. Teams are more diverse then its ever been. So get over it.
saying that Gotenks should stay the same is a CRAZY take💀
it's kinda crazy
He’s super good but literally no one plays him so yes let him stay the same. He’s very strong and top tier, but not broken or unfair.
Lowkey has a high skill ceiling, can't just pick him up, do shout cancel combos and ghost oki
What I wanna know is why leave Gotenks meter gain the same? Way too much meter wtf
Same with nappa and everyone whines about him
Revert every single nerf of every single character ever and watch the game descend into madness
Ok this would be funny
The game would become peak.
I have put over 1000 hours into Videl, all I ask is to revert the auto combo change it hurts so much more when I accidentally hit light twice and have to sit there for 40 frames. Terrible change
100% agree
That was an insane buff, I want it gone too but for different reasons than you. Videl is an absolute menace and the most underrated character in the game, by far (my opinion ofc)
@pumpingpriest5893 anyone who is fuzzy mashing or jumping is going to beat that no matter what. And why wouldn't you do it? What's else is she gonna do when she's just mashing on 4ll? It's not that good
😂😂 Damm
Heavily disagree. I mean it’s unreactable mix on crouchers and it’s so incredibly free to bait mashers. The fact that just getting hit by 5L opens up such a big guessing game is a nightmare for blockers and usually takes a hard read or else you explode, and with an assist behind her she can either keep herself safe or add layers upon layers to her mix if you’re running something with low blockstun or a barrier. Keep the auto combo
Buff Hit, he doesn't need a meter penalty. Also, does anyone know that his stance projectiles actually aren't projectiles? It makes it so it hits super dash, sometimes, but for some reason Jiren can counter it full screen.
I'm not talking Jiren's universal full screen counter, I'm talking his mid-high counter. It straight teleports Hit to him.
So yeah, even if Hit doesn't get anything major, no penalty and please let his projectiles actually be projectiles. Perhaps speed them up too so you can't jump over them.
It ain’t just Jiren Red Gogeta also can do it
Hit also needs more combos. Using OTGs, he is a ground focused character yet he has not one OTG. Also revert the meter nerf
Piccolo: his elbow move needs ki blast and beam invulnerability, his light and heavy Air chops needs to ground bounce like the ground light version, the 5l should move him a little bit foward, the orb and the antenna beams needs A LITTLE more hitstun, like one or two frames each, All three versions of the grab should have the same armor of 5S, holding 5S should be a little bit faster and that's It.
A system change: ALL EX MOVES STARTER COMBOS SHOULD DO DRAGON RUSH OR LIGHT ATTACK DAMAGE. You should not be able to ex move and Win.
Why would a move that meter burns and is unsafe on block have worse damage
Yamcha changes:
-6f 5L
-Advancing 2L
-Slightly bigger 2M hitbox
-j2H now OTGs
-Less recovery on WFF variations and rekka options
-Make 236X>6M (M finisher) +2 on block
-214X (gale claw) have more active frames, the last hit is an overhead, and H version gives more SKD hitstun, giving you enough time to run up j2H
-New move, 214S, where Yamcha pitches a fast ball (since he's a baseball player). Giving him a new projectile that let's say has ki blast invul on start up to help his neutral, and enough hitstun to follow up into 236L>H full screen
-Level 3 pushes the opponent further to the corner and gives slightly more frame adv post lvl 3
I’m just gonna have to say don’t nerf my goats Baby and Zamasu man. Let em cook. But buff vegito B a bit, let him do the full kicks kinda like Yamcha. And vegito a hitsun, just a bit.
Majin Buu's probably never going to be super heavily played, but he legitimately does need some QoL changes before he feels complete; nothing too crazy, but something to make him feel more consistent since the people that do try him stop playing him because of these inconsistencies.
1. His level 3 candy beam only has a hitbox on the tip. This is a really antiquated problem and doesn't belong in modern FighterZ, I would buff the hitbox to cover the entire beam just like literally every other beam super in the game.
2. Buu's 5L whiffs on crouchers at some distances, making his pressure inconsistent since 5L will just whiff sometimes depending on unlucky positioning that's difficult to gauge. I would simply extend the hitbox of 5L downwards to hit crouching opponents at all ranges 5L hits.
3. Buu C used to be Frame 1 air invuln and a lot of people seem to think it still is, but it's not: it's F4 air invuln, but tracks the opponent before the invuln frames actually come out, meaning that it actually LOSES to air moves 90% of the time. I would revert this change and give it back frame 1 anti air properties, as it always should have had.
I feel like these are pretty reasonable QoL buffs for Buu that won't make him absolutely insane but will definitely do a lot for people just picking the character up. Obviously I could ask for something crazy like moving his current 5M to 4M and giving him an actual M scaling 5M that truestrings or even asking that 5M scale like a medium or I could ask that Buu B gives restands to the whole cast, but I'm not trying to make Buu broken, I just wanna see him be a little friendlier to play for people. I'd personally put him in "slight buff" just because these QoL changes would help him so much.
29:38 Please let saiyaman go through beams in the air and on the ground 🙏🙏 also please let me 22H after doing the third light rekka 🙏🙏🙏🙏
How did nobody in chat tell him that “nerf” and “slight nerf” were backwards
Lmao
The only thing I would really buff about Frieza is his A assist. Just give it a bit more hitstun. As is it’s a great landmine assist that comes out really fast, it’s just tricky to convert off it sometimes because of the lack of hitstun. Give it like 2 more frames of hitstun and I’m happy.
I'm glad that someone else is responsible for the changes 😭
The only thing I’d really like to changed about Videl is her level 1 counter stopping more than just physical hits from the point character. I still think it’d be fine to have the whole cutscene and power up play through only on physical hits but in the spirit of the move and the fact that it costs a bar, gohan should at the very least reflect away all other moves. (Except for grabs obviously)
Hey Cloud, im a DBZ Broly Main and i need him to be buffed. He has no mix nor good staggers and his train doesnt even goes full screen and isnt safe on block. Like Z broly is really bad in my opinion.
He has nothing that is reflect proof and ive the opponent can react to the grab (that is pretty seeable) he can not really get damage.
Its just my expirience, maybe im just bad with him, but i play him since release and i struggle so hard with him.
Yeah, you’re bad
5LL, 5LLL, 5M, 5H are all reflect proof buttons you can also get more damage via limit break or slow level 3 which allows him to combo after it.
His train doesn’t need to be safe as it has 10 hit of armor, goes through beams and very rarely can the opponent break the armor
17 frame aka unreactable command grab with armor
HE IS THE BEST GRAPPLER IN THE GAME WHILE BEING A FUCKING ZONER
@@mastrsonic375 Which of his buttons are reflect proof? Like 5LL isnt, same for the mediums. Even 5H isnt and thats stupid.
I see potential in broly, but his kid is just not that good like others in the meta.
The train, okay he has some armor, sure. But he can not do this move in neutral, cause of the recovery frames.
The grab ist really fast yes, but thats a downside too, like ive u do a 5M into 214M its soo likely to see. Since Rollback, the Grab never connects on the enemy.
Imagine Z broly anchor. Okay you have very good Ki blasts and your opponent just waits for an oppening for a superdash or some move like Blue gokus 236H.
I think broly could just use some minor buffs, like reflect proof 5LL, 5M or 5H cause they arent. And that the 236H train is full screen.
Cause there is a bug on broly, ive the enemy IAD back to get full screen, the train doesnt hit the grounded enemy. Thats stupid....
So maybe im wrong then i apologize, but i just played too much broly for that.
@@cve4080dude just grab. His entire architect is about reflect rps, where the opponent guess jump or reflect. If you grabbed and they jump, they die. If you stagger or frametrap and they jump, the die. If you keep getting reflected, it means youre not adapting to what the opponent is doing. He doesnt need reclect proof options because he has a move that beats it in the first place, with a rps situation in his favor as well. Also, use 214L instead, along with staggering off of 5LL and delaying buttons. This'll scare the opponent into not jumping/mashing because they'll be punished for it. Then you grab and do level 1 (this does like a third of their healthbar). If you delay the light grab, its basically impossible to react unlike 214M.
For his train, the light version is the best because of the fast startup. In neutral, its hard to wiff punish due to the faster recovery. Only downside is that it doesnt go far, but fullscreen lariat at any rank is a gimmick. I promise you that good staggers and mixing in grabs and framettaps will make your opponent panick and get you more openings.
For cooler pls for the love of god just make it so his level 3 hits crouchers and can’t be vanished out of during the grab animation to get out of it if you get hit by it plsss
Make Trunks able to super dash after change the future and add hit box on flips. Boom, Trunks is fixed.
Those are nice buffs, but he's already good my guy, lol. There's nothing to "fix"
@@Kitsune986I mean, ctf is kinda meh. I wouldn't mind a better ctf and that's it. His flips having a hit boxes would be so wack. I wouldn't be mad, it'd just be funny
@@Beans-do6wc
Frame 1 ki blast invulnerable that takes up a big portion of the screen. Very low recovery. Relatively fast startup for what it is. Safe on block. Beats super dash.
CTF is literally a spammable, giant wall of "No", lol. It's an amazing special move
All trunks needs is range buffs to his 5L 5M, to be able to 4L twice on block, and MAYBE to be able to block during flip like zam flight. There's really not a situation where you'd super dash after CtF over Mesenko
List looks good to me. Meter nerf should go or be reduced, and ex moves should have less damage. And buffs I can think of for Videl and Kefla.
Any number of buffs for Videl.
- All of her moves have very obvious gaps that make her weak against reflect and jabs even though she's mostly close range. Maybe give her a backstep or take away the gaps in any of the following : J.Combo, Videl Rush, auto combo
- Spot dodge into DP is kinda wack imo, better to give it any of the following good properties, like slight invul on the first hit after success, dodge grabs, meter gain on success, etc.
- GSM having better properties on hit would be nice, like ground bounce on j.2s, wall bounce on j.s, multi ki blast or beam for 2s after counter lvl1 or wake up lvl 3, etc.
Slight buffs for Kefla.
- Lariat getting otg on medium or heavy would be cool.
- Gigantic ray last hit knocking opponents downward instead of up would be nice.
- Maybe better confirm in G.Ray from air sliding KD, like her touching the ground faster instead of floating.
What's the background music?. It's from sonic right,,?
Beerus is fine where he is imo and give bardock a beam
Nah personally bardock is a rush down character giving him a beam would just slow him down make his 2nd super like niagra pummel so that you can combo off it and make people explode
Beerus needs recovery on that lv3.
I'm excited for nappa buffs next patch :))))
Remove all characters that has Meter nerfs thats the most laziest Balance patch i ever seen in fighting games no characters should have that
I hate they made my main (Base Goku) have his optimal play style being to spam supers. Buff him so he can play neutral normally (like his normals) and I can enjoy playing my favorite version of Goku again.
when did base Goku ever have good neutral?
@@datbo1jay1 I don't know, I never said he did. I just know any potential for neutral and mix just got power crept the more the game got patched.
as a videl player, i think her ki blasts need some changes. NOT 5s, that move's fine. it beats Z BROLY KI BLAST so that's fun, even if you have to spend meter or a tracking c assist to follow up off it it's still in a comfortable spot. buff j.s is all i want. 2s needs a startup buff BAD and i know that is a little crazy when it's +23 and that startup is REALLY good for oki, but i think gohan being vulnerable frame 10 leaves a lot to be desired. at least make his vulnerablity come a little later, so she has an option to send it in neutral.
j.2s also needs a startup buff. for the mere price of a 43 frame startup, you get to be +3, when if the enemy just gets hit, you get minimal reward for it. the LEAST they can do is give it groundbounce, so that way you dont have to spend meter to follow up off of it. it feels REAL bad to use and often times it will just whiff. videl doesnt really have many ways to deal with airborne zoners like baby or zamasu, which is understandable from a character perspective, but from a game design perspective she kinda gets shot
buff j.2s. give it like, a 5 or 10 frame buff to startup and make it groundbounce so she has an actual reason to input the move. 2s is crazy for oki, and i think all it needs is gohan to have slight invuln for a little longer. that is all have a good day
i need those A21 buffs so bad bro they took away oki from the one character who gets no meterless solo skd
If you flip this upside down, it's a tier list
As a Blugeta main since season 2, we deserve to be high tier after being low tier for so long.
yeah no buddy, it's okay to be high tier, it's NOT okay to be broken tier.
@@somerandomnesspoo8467 As a fellow Blue Vegeta main, I disagree that it shouldn't be like this. The recent buffs made it so his best playstyle is spamming two moves that make it so I don't want to play my oldest main anymore.
I just heard that Dbfz is not done yet lol. But wow another patch is exciting!
All I really wanna see is kidbuu great again
Cell only needs to really needs to lose the fr invul on perfect attack. It basically is what UI had with 214H. Personally, I really want them to remove the damage buff of limit break and replace it with not having the meter gain penalty, so you lose damage but have more meter.
Call me controversial but i think lab coat should get her debuff grab back, mainly being able to combo into it. Just make the debuff itself temporary, or go away if lab coat herself is ko'd or switched out if ko is too much. As it is now, its kinda pointless for her to still have as they even nerfed it as a reversal. Why nerf a move you spent time and energy putting into the game just to make it completely useless lol. At least give it some of its utility back as a combo finisher. Hell if that's still too crazy, make the debuff only last like 10 seconds or something. Or if anything, remove the debuff property entirely and just have the grab buff her moveset alone.
Secondly i think if they're not gonna give Videl a proper reflect, i think she should be able to act out of it with anything as long as she actually dodged something with it. And if she chooses to do nothing, she should probably be able to block after it. If reflect can, why not right.
3:25 Nah... As a Bardock fan, I don't want any immunities on his lariat(s), and in fact wish less characters had that nonsense. When Bardock hits you with lariat, its because he predicted / dodged a ki blast (or yolo'd but we're not talking about that lol), he didn't just fly _through_ it- That feels more 'earned' and less annoying, to me. to buff him, I'd vote to either change his recovery on 236M on block so its better for calling assists and trying High/Low mix, or making one of the 214X's end their animation much faster so he gets an Overhead hit thats actually usable for mix, rather than it just being a one-use-per-match knowledge check only works on people that don't know Bardock and that makes no real difference to the match
Cooler: Just change his beam... I'd say its probably the worst beam in the game combo-wise, and for seemingly no reason. So I hope they make it better OR even worse, just pick a lane cause rn its just 'inconsistent', and for what?
Boku Black: as a combo enjoyer, I just want his SKD to be more up-to-speed with the rest of the roster. He only has one knockdown tool in God Slicer, and (in the context of combo ender knockdown tools) its really dookie :( so I just want:
higher hitstun on the blasts so M and H will actually function at high hitstun decay, and / or
M to be usable midscreen for his BnBs and stuff, and / or
some weirdness to avoid accidentally making M and H too good in neutral, so instead they make it so 'holding the button during L makes the stab do a knockdown like M'
Base Goku: I like your buff ideas, but also nerf his whackass (especially limit break) damage
Trunks: I agree- flips buff of some kind. OR, CtF buff (make it genuinely useful midscreen. Hitstun is nonexistent on main hitbox to where Vanish on reaction is inconsistent / impossible iirc. and managing to land the close Smash hitbox doesn't even stun enough for a meterless conversion via SD or Ki blast.) AND / or buff some of his normals. Mostly 5L. I still think his 5L is in the bottom 2 or 3 in the game next to S Broly
Super Baby 2: I'm a day 1 baby fan, love that guy. That said. Fuck 'im. Last few patches turned a 'fun, unique, but not often played' character into a degenerate tons of people play just because he _Does Things Better_ than 90% of the roster. We even killed his cool combos by replacing them with "funny beam spam infinite damage + meter gain, and also heres free midscreen ki blast rejumps / loops" so yeah hell nah. Slow down jS startup again (shouldn't be jL speeds in ANY timeline), slow down / ruin damage scaling on / nuke pure damage of / remove SD cancel / reduce hitstun on 236S beam, shits whack.
Blue Vegeta: exact same situation as Baby. Weak, unpopular character for a long time. Then buffed, buffed, buffed some more, and now insufferable character you see too much of. My vote (besides the obvious removal of Guardpoint on 214H) is to nerf damage on BBA back to older levels, maybe slow it down a bit closer to old speeds so its not useful as lazy Blockstring filler, and remove one of its cancel options. I think he should lose the special cancel but keep the SD cancel, but I'd be okay with the other way around too ig. Just anything to see it less and incentivize the player to do more interesting things for damage (traditional rejumps, his unique ki blast rejumps, corner rekka kick loops, etc) rather than "hur dur mash Big Bang Attack whenever I can" (in fact, maybe to make him feel more ki blast centric, and to match the fact his blasts have some of the highest stun in the game, maybe make his Ki blasts do more damage / have better scaling than the normal '400 damage a piece' that everyone else has. I think that would be good, and help preserve some uniqueness about him)
If I didn't mention a character, it means I pretty much 100% agreed with Cloud about it (or with more gimmicky characters, I just don't know about em enough to speak, like Videl and Gotenks)
Dont play as much anymore but showed up anyways to hear what was said about the Brolys and 21
Base goku also could get buffs for hand spirit bomb period. Yes, it beats beams but no one uses it because it's not worth it. They gave it otg properties, but j2h isn't special cancelable. Like why. And in longer combos, it's harder to include spirit bomb because of the hitstun. Also mid as an ender because it only links into super spirit bomb and nothing else. Like give j2h groundbounce or special cancels and make spirit bomb a viable combo ender into both level 1 and level 3 instead of just level 3.
Balance patches are cool, but what this game needs is more stages. Where is the hyperbolic time chamber? Kami’s look out? Tournament of power arena? Roshi’s little island? A gt stage like M2? Beerus’s planet? Come on, we need more. Maybe some more dramatic finishes too.
I don’t know if I call 17s barrier assist on wrong timing but for me personally it’s 50:50 if it works, lots of times people mash on my assist call and he disappears before he does his blast, it’s not consistent enough for defense calls
Fix kid buus mechanics, give his under ground mediums back, mystic ball more hit stun, arm ball better mix and happy birthday back plz
Make frieza ex anti air...make his air down s recovery faster
When my shell of cooler tien is in stay the same, the only buff id like would be cooler having hitstun like a normal character
I am new. What happen to Ui goku? 😂😂Why so low?
Give S Broly -1 for his 2M(all 4 of his 2M) allowing some potential reset, cross over mix ups, and more pressure to defend. I think that’s acceptable for all his negative normals
I probably wouldn’t be angry if I didn’t already watch Inzems list, 14:48 he understands the game a lot better 🤷🏾♂️ the state of health for it
For yamcha, make 214L,M,H consistently antiair moves, there has been too many times where his EX antiair straight up gets beat by a j.H... a j.H. Make 2m more active and extend its hitbox (his foot litteraly goes touches some characters and wont hit) give back his old wolf fang fist flash, slightly faster 5M just enough so it doesn't straight up get beat by mashing when used defensively but not fast enough to not frametrap, faster beam. more consistent double cross up(there are certain situations where if you cross up and try to cross again yamcha will just stay same side and will be just a very slow regular cross up)
tldr
1. WFF flash lower recovery
2. Longer 2M, slightly faster 5M
3. Buff galeclaws hitbox
4. Faster beam
5. more consistent cross up dash.
and then the fun wacky buff beacuse I just think it'd be cool, let me hold 5H so yamcha only does the backflip, so he basically has Vega's backflip. it'd be cool.
I feel like i wanna get into kid buu i played him a tiny bit in the past but his 2h kills me bro has less range the krillen and it hurts to see
Regarding Videl. The wake up level three--Gohan's Kamehameha--needs a change. You shouldn't be able to jump between him and Videl and have the move MISS. Turn Gohan around! I'd take a damage nerf to make it work. This is supposed to be a punish for hyper aggressive players, but it only hits people who backdash. That's dumb. It should be anti-meaty, anti-jump in. Also, her counter level-one should work in every situation that UI Goku's works. Why on Earth is it just melee counter?
Give my bois Yamcha Baseku And Trunks some buffs bro. They’re starving out here
4:45 just make my jab 7-8 frames. In fact you can lock it behind the unstall. Or make it reflect proof. It's supposed to be a big button but it's not a big button
15:39 YES both his and ssj have "frame 4" but they can get punched. At least ssj tracks. Also make ex tatsu frame one anti-air that's all ssj needs
Ex moves should only be nerfed singularly, not everyone has broken Ex moves, nerfing them in general would be unfair to everyone else that has only fine Ex moves.
Btw, Bardock ex lariat should be able to convert into itself, the fact that he has to spend another bar to do a combo out of it makes me think he's really outdated, and yeah also make it ki blast invulnerable, i think those two buffs would be enough for him
Technically every character should have one EX move that is able to combo from without spending extra bar. And everyone should have a sliding knock down with no bar.
@@justins794 yea
Reduce the range of normals across the board, make raw tag reactable, revert the meter nerfs and nerf the fusions properly. Finally give trunks air invul on EX shining slash
Raw tag is very reactable lol
I'm not a Jiren apologist but I believe Jiren shouldn't be touched. I think he is a prime example of what a good character is. If anything at all just nerf his damage output a little but.
As for Bardock, I have some ideas that would give him a place in this game. L and H lariat should be -1 on block. H air lariat should be +1 or +2. M lariat should be a frame one anti-air that gives a combo mid screen with no resources.
Buff piccolo s demon slicer. Make it a sliding knock down without meter and easy to combo into and for extensions in the corner.
Personally I don't think Frieza needs much. Maybe fix the way 5H works and then make his A assist store your input instead of you having to wait to hold a direction when it's coming out. Other than that I think he's perfect. I wouldn't change anything.
As a android 16 player, in a patch where every character have so many cool mid-screen combos, 16 have nothing, if u say 16 is a support character look at ssj vegeta?, give 16 more mid-screen routes more damage plz
A16 have a awesome B assist but his L C.grab while 16 frames give him the less dmg overall of all unreactable ones with or without using super, also his 5M having a bigger upper hitbox will improve A LOT his combo rejump routes, without spark the loops are very very inconsistent :/. I say these 2 changes will help him a lot ( dmg buff on C.grab and better Up-hitbox on 5m ) and if they revert the meter nerf on fusions idk 16 can maybe have 25% meterbuff or something, heeeeelp xD
Bobbydorf found some shit for much bigger damage on 16s L grab. you need a long active frame assist so it starts before 16 level 1, and ends after. Jiren A for example. its goood
@@joncliffmckinley5868i use him with A17 and 17 Assist let me use the M grab any place on the screen but even so, his dmg make him a not soo good anchor, even with the tech after LV 1 you are spending additional resources where others don't, more dmg and/or meter is more in line with the rest of the cast, seems like they forgot about him tbh
Blue Goku is the only character with a fast grab that he can actually combo into it, that should be nerfed.
I would say 16 too but that’s kinda his whole character so I think he should keep it
@@datbo1jay1 no he can't? i mean the ground one that its really fast, also like 18's grab
Hell no. His corner combo is super difficult to do. He has no easy combos. And you can't super dash into anything he does. He's a strong character but he's not easy to pick up. I don't think that's reasonable at all
And his grab doesn't go super far he has to get really close to you. And how often do blue Goku's catch you with a grab be honest
@@datbo1jay1I completely disagree with you
I believe Jamenba, Gotenks, and Goku black should be buffed honestly. But Yamcha needing a buff is and Videl staying the same...dayumm
Slight buffs for Base Goku. Please Arcsys, Give him the SSJ Goku 2M and 5H range and make 2S not -48 on whiff please and I'll be happy.
5:40 i think i know the commenter hes talking about lol
I saw that same commenter and you under one of clouds vids from last week 😂
Saying Ginyu shouldn’t have his body swap back AND that he shouldn’t be able to call 2 members at the same time is an insane take.
Freizas an assist should have actual block stun. That way Reina players shouldn’t have to rely on a c assist
Lab Coat stomp is pretty dumb
12:57 are we getting another balance patch?
Yes
I just want another balance patch man 🥲
There is one coming sometime after evo. It was announced a while ago.
1st Oh nooo.. What are you scheming, Cloud..?!
Ssj2 gohan needs a slight buff bro please I play him and he feels to good
Make goku blacks 2m 9f and make his ex divekick at least plus 1 on block and ill be happy
BUFF UI goku I mained him day one still to this day I play him he needs buff
GIVE TIEN A UP KI BLAST
As a Piccolo main I can't agree with EX moves going back to a bar, I shouldn't have to spend more resources to do hellzone loops in the corner but that's my opinion. EX moves for a bar would probably also butcher Hit and he's not even in a good spot right now. Nice list otherwise
17 A should have the barrier broken after 2 hits overall, then remove his anti air properties on rekkas, shits stupid
Hell no 😂
You just want them to delete the character?
These are the only things good about him though, he has stubby normals, and ok staggers taking away what you said would make him damn near unplayable
Android 17 can spend half a bar and get it back in the same combo. All he needs is a meter nerf bro
Lowkey for Frieza I wouldnt mind Keyblast priority but I want his assists changed or buffed cuz man they fuckin BLOW
Kid Buu. So his mechanics necessarily bad. It just takes more work to do simple combos and I think that is fine. He isn't for everyone. I hope they give back his medium starter stomps back. That would be amazing. And mix for his arm ball and return his happy birthday back. Buffing mystic ball for more hit stun would be a plus.
I think cooler should be nerfed and buffed. Let me explain. I think cooler has the potential to be a very unique character in this game. His OTG (death shaker) should work with all his knockdowns, including his level 3 into a level 1, you should be able to combo on wiff in the corner for extensions and destroy saibamen planted in the ground. The buffs he received are not needed only if they buff his OTG (death shaker) properly.
Yamcha NEEDS buffs
been a while since i interacted with the game, but since i heard a new patch is coming, i went and saw what alot of players want, and they all seem to want the game system mechanics to stay the same ??! with full screen normals and ex into death ?
guess that means that the players accepted and even like the game now, which is good in a way.
I’m just getting into fighterz does anyone know when the patch is coming?
All we know is it's after EVO
If they gave Frieza B 30 frames of blockstun then I'd play him. I've always thought he was a really cool character, but his assists just make me not want to even try him on a team. BUFF FRIEZA B PLEASE
Take me back to season 3 😭
Frieza still has no death beam. Give him a Negative edge on S
When is this supposed to happen?
8:16 Buff Cooler. Frieza washes Cooler… Has longer normals but is still a Zoner… plus has Golden form.
Give Cooler a 2L low and correct his Ki Blast on the ground maybe? Make his 3H go full screen.
3H hard counters Freeza, lmfao
@@Kitsune986 Not if he’s full screen. 5M counters it, 5H counters it, all his projectiles counter it while full screen. Quarter Circle back special is too slow to counter anything Frieza does. Beam is too slow as well. Ki blast doesn’t have a good angle to contest.
@@phader2
3H literally goes 90% of the screen. A microdash into 3H and it's super free. You do know that Cooler can use his beam in the air, right? And Freeza can't do anything about it? Also, j.S is an amazing sniping tool.
No offense, but you sound bad at the game tbh
Making my team look really fair until you put Zam in perish. But if his flight speed and 2h perished, i think a reversion of the meter nerfs would be a fair compensation for that so I'm not too upset. That seemed reasonable.
As a frieza main he'll be fucking in if they buff either A assist to trackcand have more hitstun or give b assist blockstun but ay I don't mind lol
As a frieza/baby player this sounds amazing. Now my opponents will never be able to move.
@@kdotlamariou an evil mf fr
I agree that maybe removing the smash out LC's grab would be a good nerf, but bring back her A assist, it was not broken or like suuuuuper good like Old Vegito A. Being forced to run a C assist is not fun bro hahaha
Nah, Cooler and Goku Black need QoL buffs
They just need to fix Coolers beam Hitstun from certain distances and he’s good
@@JTwoXX
There's also how his DP will sometimes get low profiled and 2H will whiff because of the forward momentum. Which is also a problem 3H has. SD will just curve right around it.
His hitstun decay is still kind of ass and if his A assist could get a blockstun buff and his B assist get a buff to how fast it travels, that would be awesome.
Just those things and I'd be happy
Make Z Broly great again pls buff J3H so that its a consistent knock down tool and 236S should be plus on block like big bang attack
Make Sbroly 6H projectile invul and armored 😈
Nerf Beerus? The blasphemy, I see nothing wrong with a God in the game. Nerf Tohan, I said it lol.
Buff Beerus 😄
I think videls 5ll crouch whiff + 5lll grab should be reverted, and please just replace the spot dodge with a reflect.
Also, please bring back roshi B assist.
Gogeta blue 2m needs to go
Nerf 17(please) nerf videl. Nerf gotenks. Nerf ultimate gohan. Slight nerf teen gohan. Nerf android 16. Nerf jiren. Buff majin 21
And bruh just keep labcoat the same she's already been nerfed enough.
Wait this game still gets patched?
Man don’t nerf beerus wtf leave the orbs to bounce off the back board but the 2m can’t go through projectiles tho I agree that a lil od
Nappa needs it
when is new update ?
tomorrow
No more meter nerfs. Lazy asf
Fr
Agree
Goku blue needs an easier route
Eliminate meter penalties period.
Ginyu calling two members for S really ended up unlocking new combos and I feel like an adjustment like holding down the ki blast button should determine whether you get one or two (holding down gives you two and a press gives you one member maybe?)
Tien's grab is invincible
It's slow tho
It’s not invincible it has a guard point. So he can get grabbed out of his grab unlike invincible moves.
@@cloud805er ohhhh, blue vegeta’s grab has guard point too
But also blue vegeta’s grab is much faster and can catch air opponents so it is much stronger either way
I love watching blue vegeta’s interaction with gohan’s ex legs
@@cloud805er and also ofc blue vegeta having guard point while in the air means he can easily use it as a reversal against normal grabs because they can’t hit him