I'm a lefty lesbian but the entire discourse around lesbianism has gotten so fucking stupid. Why would you even want to identify as a lesbian if you don't want to be percieved as a woman?!? Just madness
@@ILikeTrains324 being kicked out of the left is like being kicked out of an abusive relationship. At first you worry about being alone but then you realise you no longer have to walk on eggshells all the time and in fact you were lonelier in the left 😅
I went to the original video on jubilee and apparently the girl who kept trying to call out the conservative lesbian in being "privileged" is the daughter of an NFL player... talk about being privileged...
@@nicholasarmock3180 The trans lobby has decided it doesn’t anymore because there are men in dresses who call themselves lesbians who want to be recognised.
the same goes for gay. I said I won't date transman because they are not a man, and you all here know how those woke people react. At this point, I'm a man and I can be a lesbian, wild.
I’m so glad my mother told me to stfu when I was 13 and thought I was trans male, because 100% I am female that leans masc. And thats totally okay. Most teen girls are confused and go through that “i’m not like other girls”/“I’m different” phase but it’s purely puberty. It’s literally normal to feel uncomfortable with your body until you’re fully developed. Or even just in general with how society puts pressure on women. Of course there are trans teens that really are trans-but a lot of the time, its just girls being confused and uncomfortable and no-one is normalising that feeling for them. It’s so sad, and I really thank god my mother was like “you need to wait and figure out if you truly feel like that”.
I’m so glad that it didn’t even cross my mind to change my gender or identity at that time.. back then I was sometimes fantasizing of being a man but after all I’m actually straight and even fem… kids now are having it so hard…
@@drosollo1615 I was born in 2003 and luckily didn't know anything about trans when I was younger. I definitely would've transitioned if I did, and I'm so glad I didn't!
I feel this so much. I was living my life as a tomboy until I was like 15. In those 15 years of my life I have identified as a lesbian, trans male, "demigirl", bisexual and "genderfluid". I thought those things because of the internet, obviously; everyone would tell me "Oh, why be a lesbian when you can just change your gender!!! Being straight and "cis" is weird!". I was literally planning out how I would get top surgery as soon as I turn 18.. Weird stuff. Thankfully, just one year later, I have now understodd that there's more to sexuality than just hugs and kisses. I also came to realise that it's okay to be a little masculine or tomboyish. I feel like I kind of forced that "masculine" image on myself, anyway. I am literally nowhere near masculine or dominant now. I am also very happy that I have a very womanly body. I'm SO glad that my parents aren't some freaks that would let me start taking hormones or some crap. Honerable mention: Thanks for not letting me get a septum piercing either mom, that shi is UUUGLY (to me at least, I'm very feminine now), love you! XD
Instant follow. Also, you guys can disagree with all this liberal bs and still not have to consider yourself conservatives, the whole system is fucked and as you said the politicians don’t care about us. Also gender nonconforming is not nonbinary. It just means people don’t follow gender stereotypes.
@@xoxomyah there's no such thing as non binary she's a girl, I'm a gay man and I can tell what a woman is, this madness is a cult it's one of the biggest ones in the world, I recommend watching menno parody songs he is hilarious.
4:19 gender non-conformity doesn't mean not being female. Gnc lesbians have existed forever, same with gnc gays. The thing is that lesbian just means female homosexual and gay just means male homosexual. That's it!
You finding out that the orange in a lesbian flag is for non-men is the same as me finding out that as a gay man in drag i'm trans under their umbrella terms lmao
I really like the take that you dont have to be a lesbian to relate to lesbians or be more comfortable around lesbians bc im bisexual and i always felt like i had to be a lesbian to be part of the sapphic community or like i was less valuable in the sapphic community bc i was bisexual, and i also felt like i had to identify as a lesbian bc even tho im bisexual i mainly date women and have a preference for women and when id talk about that everyone would tell me i sound like a closested lesbian, im just rambling now but yeah im tired of everyone trying to force themselves into lesbian spaces instead of accepting that they cant use a label that just doesn't apply to them, im a leftist (i think) but yeah this discourse is so absurd also its been dividing the entire community for literally decades and leftists are honestly just as asinine and self absorbed as the people they criticize
This was a dope video! As a twenty-something sapphic woman myself, I wish there was more space created to share these type of perspectives in the general public. Its so hard nowadays without automatically being labeled as a bigot. The LGBT+ community just isn't the same as it used to be when it comes to sharing nuance. You either conform with public opinion or get pushed out.
I'm a latina heterosexual but I respect the LGBT persons like you girls and I also agree for example when she said that anyone can enter the community I was surprised because that is a space for women that love women, it is like say than anyone can enter una comunidad latina ( a latin community) and that is supposed to be a community for people than share traditions, culture and language.
Any comment anyone in the group makes, Amber: "THAT'S YOUR PRIVILEDGE!!! The sky is blue, Amber: "THAT'S PRIVILEDGE. Dogs are an animal, Amber: "CHECK YOUR PRIVILEDGE!!! Water is wet, Amber: " THAT'S PRIVILEDGE TALKING!!!
"Amber's Closet" is dishonest about her answer to "I would date a transwoman". First of all she was very silent for most of it, when she first spoke she brought up sports, then she stumbled through her words "we'd make it work". On her IG (Nov 14, 2023), there's a post promoting her interview about lesbians dating bisexuals. Caption to that post below: "Yes, there are some Lesbians that LOVE BISEXUALS!! But at the same time, our experience is VERY different… Bisexuals…can y’all chime in here and tell us your side?! Please! And to the Lesbians out there…how do y’all feel about Bisexuals? And why? In the longer version I mention that I think most women are on a scale of bisexuality from curious to fluid to fully bisexual, but that there are ALOT of women like myself that are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being attracted to men, but that there’s only like 15-20% of us." Notice the last line...."women like myself that are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being attracted men..." , look what she made sure to capitalize.
I love this video, speaking from a valid perspective without it shifting to trans or gendered topics. I know so many vids like this that go straight into gender and bashing trans people. This was refreshing and I feel the frustration because while I do like evolving and educating ourselves, growing into different kinds of people. Some of it can be ridiculous. I can understand a lot of things but not a non binary person being a "lesbian" for one. It just doesn't make sense to me. Anyone who identifies as a woman, yes, but if you're non binary, wouldn't you not want to be placed in a category that describes two women loving each other? I also don't like the people that are just done and want to "disband" the whole community because they aren't being reasonable either. You guys acknowledged the issues within the community but realized at the end of the day we do have problems daily outside of these debates and we all want the same thing, to live peaceful, safe lives.
This! I understand her core argument, but oh god she was unprepared and had trouble articulating what she it was she wanted to say. There is validity to what she is saying, but if you want to challenge people's views (aspecially the ones who are willing to listen and open to changing their mind) you need to be prepared and back up the things you're saying. Aspecially in public debates like these where you can at least somewhat prepare yourself earlier.
The other major issue was Amber citing what MIGHT happen not what IS happening. Gay and interracial marriage is "on their list" without citing who "they" are and being upset about something that hasn't happened and may not happen. It's foolish. You can't argue with "maybe".
i am 8 months late to this but i am deep diving back into your content to catch up with you girl and i looooovelovelove that we're still on the same vibes about things let's gooooo (you guys are mad cute too)
This was really interesting as someone who is a very very vERY left leaning, we probably wouldn’t agree on a lot but I’ll never be someone who agrees with excluding people from lgbtq+ spaces because of differing political views so I like to hear a variety of opinions and perspectives within the community and will always defend against the LGBTQ+ community becoming a monolith with all the same opinions and thoughts.
im lesbian and I also never thought I will ever say that lgbt is ideology... now I think on some level (woke level) it is. I think I even would stop going to parade, but I live in Poland and we dont have rights here soooooo.... :D
i just woke up with a hangover so bear with me lol i feel like a lot of people in the queer community lose the big picture of why this community exists in the first place. like myah and ali (sorry if i spelled her name wrong btw) say, there are violent ass homophobes out there that dont give a fuck if youre a 'homoromantic asexual' or a 'nonbinary lesbian;' in their eyes, they just see 'an abomination.' We're all the same in the eyes of the hateful, they dont care about whatever petty labels you have for yourself, theyd rather see you dead or in a conversion camp.
There are homophobes out there that would rather transition their child than have a child who will grow up to be gay or lesbian. There are men, with penises, coercing lesbians into having sex with them because the men identify as lesbians. Sometimes the community is its own worst enemy and some gatekeeping is essential.
I heard someone saying the other day that as a society we have gone too far with our labels and boxes that we put ourselves into because if you put yourself in a very specific box then you have to act within the constraints of that box rather than just being free to be who and whatever you want to be and idk I sadly agree. Especially since stereotypes are inevitably created about every identity and then you’re choosing to place yourself into a very specific stereotype. Like if you announce that you’re nonbinary transgender lesbian (which I have heard before) people are going to immediately assume you’re so far left that no one can stand you. I find this videos topic very interesting!
I don't get why trans issues are always included in conversations like these. I'm a gay man and even in the Jubillee video they had for us the topic of trans men was brought up for no reason whatsoever. I believe things like that are really personal and up to the individual, and have next to nothing to do with a lesbian/gay "debate" or conversation. Like you two said, where were the questions about religion, conservative beliefs in regards to their sexuality, etc. Topics like those would've made for a much more relevant and engaging discussion on both sides.
well with nonbinary it doesnt mak sense... cus they arent gay or a les. 4the gay jubillee video, they had a gay trans man cus.... they r a gay trans man? obviously not a lesbian.
@@officialquantumhiveNo, in the gay Jubilee video they had a prompt asking whether or not the group would date a trans man. Why is that a question? Ultimately, that's up to the individual to decide. I don't think it should even *be* a topic to debate about, since it ultimately is a preference. The other things they discussed, such as the experiences they've had, how it shaped them, the prejudice they face, etc. was far more interesting and actually sparked some interesting conversation.
i think why more nonbinary people are identifying as lesbians recently is just bc there isnt really a term for a nonbinary person who is only attracted to women or if there is its not popularized. like i know personally i dont feel comfortable calling myself a lesbian because i dont want to be perceived as a woman by other people, but im not bisexual either, i dont want to date men, so what do i call myself then? currently i just say im queer but it would be nice if there was a community/term that was commonly used for nonbinary people who are exclusively attracted to women (and the same for nonbinary people who are only attracted to men). i rly do think in this video the liberal side just did a bad job of presenting their arguments bc while feelings do matter to some extent in these discussion (i mean we're talking about labels that have to do with your romantic feelings and your feelings on gender after all), you cant convince people unless you bring up studies, statistics, etc or even just explaining yourself and why you feel a certain way clearly.
i understand your point but i fail to understand why such a term should even exist, i feel like just saying that youre nonbinary or gender-fluid and only attracted to men/women is just fine in almost every scenario i personally think that when it comes to labels and terms regarding the lgbtqia+ community, theres already more than enough of them and i cant really think of any scenario where even more specific terms would be needed
(also meaning that the nonbinary person has no place in this specific discussion as it was only supposed to include lesbians - a woman attracted to women, but thats for a different conversation ig)
@@angel_existential its honestly really hard to explain because it is just a feeling i have. i would love it if i could just comfortably exist as a woman, it would make my life a whole lot easier, but ive never felt comfortable being addressed as such 🤷♀ the feeling i get when being called a woman is probably the same feeling a cis woman would get if they were exclusively called a man their entire life. its not that theyd have a problem with men, its just that they arent one. i dont have a problem with women, but being called one doesnt feel right. im not just a masc woman, if i was my entire gender expression would probably be different because i wouldnt be so uncomfortable with people looking at me and just seeing girl. i wish there was a better way to explain it but since it is literally just a feeling of discomfort with such terms, there isn't much else i can say.
Its insane that jubilee video ! We are lesbian because we are same sex attracted to other women! Not to someone silly gender identity which does not exist your wither a man or a woman
If you are going to policing people saying word wrong on the spot - you best be fixing the many of arielle's mistakes. I'm just curious how you support her or at least not pull any of the conservatives up at all - otherwise people might think you hold most the same beliefs as them too? I'm just confused because - knowing she supports trump or is that your political leaning to? Anyway, glad to have some discourse or conversation - just feel some more nuance could be included because it's great to have discussions like this.
I think the liberal should be named “woke lesbians” vs “common sense lesbians” bc I don’t think they’re conservative. But they have no choice to fall under that. Same with you. I am Latina who owns a small biz. The left pushed me to be a “conservative”
great video but i disagree gay men are inherently better at protecting ourselves, i'm a biological man with very small hands and narrow shoulders and i've also been hate crimed twice and both times i wasn't as capable at fighting back
13:54 This really is not true…a huge chunk of doctors that treat transgender patients aren’t “money hungry” and just want to carelessly put children on hormones, that’s not happening. I started transitioning as a minor and the process to go on HRT is a very VERY long process. I had to talk to a psychiatrist and speak to a therapist for over several months to be able to start my medical transition. I know you mean no harm with what you said but it’s such a misconception that doctors are convincing children that they’re transgender when that’s not true. If we want to talk about why people detransition, people mistaken other mental health issues they have for gender dysphoria.
it absolutely IS true. just because you personally had a different experience or possibly know about other different experiences, does not mean that thats automatically how it goes on in every place every time. now im not saying that every single case is the same, of course theres MANY cases in which the doctors care and the process takes longer, but at the same time, theres SO MANY cases in which its the exact opposite and you can easily get out of the doctors office with a prescription or a scheduled surgery from your very first visit/appointment. i understand that your intention of saying this is to make it known that there are doctors who actually care, which is good, but in discussions like these you also have to address that theres also many of them that are genuinely just money hungry and as time goes on, more and more experiences/cases like that are coming to light
@@kobi-jy9cv I don’t not believe there are money hungry doctors but the issue I have is when people who aren’t transgender try and push some type of narrative that all transgender people are “coerced” into believing they’re transgender. Sure there are doctors that abuse their power and don’t properly evaluate patients that may think they’re transgender, but people who put themselves in these situations are just as responsible as the doctor is. This is why education, resources, and research is so important so that people aren’t seeing just any random doctor, it’s important to know what gender dysphoria ACTUALLY is so people aren’t self diagnosing so flippantly. Therapy needs to be mandatory in these situations. It would solve a lot of problems.
This isn't everyone's experience though. Idk where you got treatment but many detransitioners are saying within 6 months they were being scheduled for surgeries and put on life changing hormones at an age where they can't understand the implications. Of course some doctors are well meaning but most want to exploit your insurance for as much as possible.
@@CelleSleuths saying MOST doctors just want to exploit transgender patients is an exaggeration. Obviously my experience doesn’t speak for every trans person. But there are a plethora of other transgender people who have had positive experiences with their transition. I find it so strange how people never want to acknowledge the many transgender people that do get proper medical treatment. Because detransitioners make up such a small percentage. And they’re are many reasons as to why people detransition, it’s not always because they regret being transgender or they were misdiagnosed.
I’m trans and watch people get put on by planned parenthood easy asf and regret it because almost the whole population, especially minors, identify as trans now when they aren’t. It was hard for me to get on T too, and I couldnt even get on it till I was 19 (I came out at 12 and tried to get on hormones since 15. Had every single sign and ppl advocating for me. It was my evil parents who prevented it, but had I had good parents, I wouldve been on by 16 easy.) cuz they’re giving this stuff to kids with barely any real signs of being trans. Ofc they wouldve given it to someone who identified as trans for YEARS and had all the signs. I couldnt go to school and was mute because of my voice. My dysphoria was making me handicapped. I couldnt sing in choir in the tenor section even tho there were no boys in the alto, and I wasnt out, so that was hard. Singing tenor as an alto. Couldnt join the basketball team because I wasnt on T. Couldnt even socialize! But there are tons of kids who go on it when they arent trans and it ruins their lives. I personally believe only if someone has been trans for one year should they be allowed on hormones. And they must be 16 and with parents permission. Because the detransitioning usually happens within 1 to 2 years. And they must be literally handicapped due to dysphoria. And they must have dysphoria cuz apparently u “don’t need it to be trans” now. Which is insane. I dont agree with the “u must be an adult” thing cuz I literally had my teen years fucked up, but yes u must be at least 16, gone through your first puberty, and must be socially transitioned for a year. And there better be better therapists than whoever tf has been in charge. Just like drugs and alcohol, kids will get things. They sell hormones on black market and the ones that r laced have killed trans people. But still, a lot of detransitions can be prevented. Edit: I didn’t even mention the depression and suicidal thoughts due to dysphoria that testosterone has alleviated, and some issues, even totally got rid of. That aspect also fucked up my teen years. Having to live like that. Don’t wish it on anybody. Unfortunately, if u give hormones to kids who don’t actually have gender dysphoria, they end up with it and probably will have bad effects like depression due to it.
This quote from Bill Maher is quite relevant to a lot of these women who identify as non-binary “to be a woman, it doesn’t mean you have to be a Kardashian”.
Thanks for this. :D My definition of a lesbian is so old school. Lesbian = a woman that is/can be emotionally/sexually involved in a relationship (any kind) with another woman (person who was born with XX cromosomes and is producing eggs) and not men. I hate it that all of the sudden my girlfriend and I are now "queer" and not lesbians. I blame the US for bringing this stuff to EU XD.
I used to be liberal when I first started watching you as a teenager (we are the same age😇) I am now conservative and still love your content and do not care what your political views are bc politics aren’t everything 😭
Politics are your belief system, how you view the world, people in it and human rights. That is too important to not care about. You must be stupid or a privileged White woman, I can't wait for when they take away adoption rights for gay couples and the ability for same-sex couples to be on a birth certificate. Just like they are doing in Europe, but no worries Gay rights aren't under attack right...
I really think we need to go back to just having lgb and drop the qt as lgb are sexuality t is gender and q is just people who want to join in but don't actually have skin in the game
I saw this vids after searching "Transman react jubilee lesbian", and I initially thought you are those woke youtuber, happy that I'm wrong. It's time for people (especially those who technically belong to the community) to call out those insane delusional left
Yikes, much hot pinkness ladies* ..... a very good commentary on the current madness. As a bloke who's never fitted in, an ambivalent bloke who dresses "inappropriately" the last thing I want is to be a member of "A Community", especially one that includes people who aren't like me. This activism vague categorisation is purely to strip any understanding we have about who or what we are, to make us lost souls whilst providing the supposed security of comradeship. It's classic Commie playbook stuff and it not only needs calling out, it needs combatting and putting down. * is that OK ? Apologies if not ...... Toodle pip !!
I feel like you don't fully understand that people can identify as more than one thing... like how hard is that to grasp though? As plain as someone being Italian and jamaican...well guess, what a person can identify as a lesbian and be non binary because they feel like a woman and also have a body that presents a certain way they can't necessarily control. It's not like their saying identify as a red popsicle. Like - have you experienced the universe, things aren't as black and white as you are making it out to be. You don't have to go full conservative just cos you have another opinion or disagreed with someone. 'Third gender' expressing people have been around since people have existed and have been celebrated and revered in many cultures for the differences they bring. I identify as queer and non-binary is a word that i identify with - why is that so hard for people to accept. It's not - some people just want a rigid labels to gatekeep.
The point isn't that you can't identify as more than one things at once. The point is that you can't identify as things that contradict each other which non binary and lesbian do. Like how you can't identify as non-white and as a white woman at the same time those things contractdict each other like non-binary and lesbian.
@@elle-dd2hu just the way some trans men still identify with lesbian culture because they grew up identifying as a lesbian - a transitional period to coming out as a trans man. Sometimes things still stay a part of someone, we aren’t robots.
what amber is getting at roots from her identity. i think what she’s speaking on is the intersectionality of race, gender expression, and sexuality. we have VISIBLE qualities that align people to minority groups and INVISIBLE qualities. people are first judged by the visible attributes that don’t align with the “majority” and then we are judged by the “invisible.” arguing oh let’s see the LAWS is extremely privileged. poc has historically been effected and barred from spaces, jobs, and resources to live without any laws being in place to legally do so. so that’s a mute point. our identity isn’t consigned by the presence or lack thereof of laws. going back to ambers point she “presents” more than those other women because she looks (visibly) farther from the majority. she is black and Hispanic with afrocentric features where as the other woman who is also mixed has more eurocentric features. more so amber present masculine in a body people would automatically deem a woman and “supposed” to be feminine. the other woman presents more feminine. and then we get to the invisible minority groups aka sexuality. lesbians while they face struggles presently, non binary people are for lack of better words less understood. now that nuance could be how the group is very expansive on the definition of nonbinary. with that said even identifying lesbian is NOT the same for white women versus POC women. it’s called intersectionality and no shade but as white lesbians i would encourage you as a long time watcher to read up on the literature of queer poc women and how identifying as “other” in both visible and invisible ways have escalated the prejudice they face that is first rooted in racism, and then misogyny, and then homophobia.
i think ambers choices of words as “i present more” was not a wise choice. it’s a subjective experience of her life and those other women could have experienced an immense amount of hardship due to their identity. they also could not have. but only they know. i think in that manner she was projecting some feelings that appear to stem from her past and long gone friendship with one of the ladies there. i don’t think we should always play facts over emotions though. there is nothing factual about any part of a persons identity besides anatomy as it is based on medical studies and science. other than that people can identify however the fuck they want. no one can say one is right and one is wrong. who says our opinion even matters. while you question why they care so much to be accepted in a group that “they don’t fit in” we can equally question why do others care so much that they aren’t accepted by that group. just let people live. we all die anyways. they’re not harming anyone. no one in this video is. just like you said you guys don’t feel like when you go places like camping etc. you’ll be hatecrimed. well nonbinary peeps identifying as lesbian isn’t going to suddenly make you get hatecrimed. we all should just worry about and care about our own existence and our own relationship with our conscious. nothing more and nothing less.
Oh yea I definitely understood her point and I agree with it, but I feel like if she's going to go on shows like this and just in general in my opinion if you're going to advocate/debate publicly you need to articulate yourself better and show up with sources that back that up if you hope to change anyone's mind/views or even just make them question what they belive and encourage them to research further, which is what I would assume is your goal.
It's funny when that girl who asked "Show me the research or the stats that backed up your argument" and homegirl couldn't show ANYTHING or even reference it! Like if there are soooooo many laws and bills surely you can think of one bill...like girl you knew you were going to be debating...please bring your receipts LOL
To the Conservative "Black/ Hispanic" women do not look unambiguously Black. She is very light-skinned and will not be treated the same way as the other Black Hispanic women on the panel. There are constant cases of discrimination happening to queer Black people (a Black gay man was literally killed for dancing after a concert while called homophobic slurs), let's not play dumb. Who is walking around with stats to prove common knowledge when this was supposed to be a discussion on opinions, not a college essay. Not shocked the White femme-presenting lesbians think otherwise LOL.
I'm a leftist and although Ive disagreed with you before, it's never been as misinformed as this. All love though, but can no longer look past your beliefs. Have a great life!
vid got claimed twice lmao ..... had to chop it up ... GROSS
Yall say "gross" over anything
I'm with ...GEORGE DAWES "LESBIANS".....on this one as a fat old grumpy dude ...moving on it's my META TARO BLURAY hype up time , don't ask
I'm a lefty lesbian but the entire discourse around lesbianism has gotten so fucking stupid. Why would you even want to identify as a lesbian if you don't want to be percieved as a woman?!? Just madness
same and totally agree
Let's just totally redefine the identity of someone else so we can call ourselves that and take away their identity in the process.
Sounds like youve been kicked out of the left! 😂 welcome to the extreme far right, we know the feeling.
I totally agree. The left these is just a mess
@@ILikeTrains324 being kicked out of the left is like being kicked out of an abusive relationship. At first you worry about being alone but then you realise you no longer have to walk on eggshells all the time and in fact you were lonelier in the left 😅
I went to the original video on jubilee and apparently the girl who kept trying to call out the conservative lesbian in being "privileged" is the daughter of an NFL player... talk about being privileged...
@@nicholasarmock3180 and she lives in the homophobic hell that is….West Hollywood. Where apparently she’s discriminated against by the gays.
💀 the disconnect
do you know who is her father? I saw that comment too but I cant find more info from there
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So what!? That doesn't change the fact that she's right
why does lesbian no longer mean women loving women
because woman no longer means woman, unfortunately.
@@nicholasarmock3180 The trans lobby has decided it doesn’t anymore because there are men in dresses who call themselves lesbians who want to be recognised.
the same goes for gay. I said I won't date transman because they are not a man, and you all here know how those woke people react. At this point, I'm a man and I can be a lesbian, wild.
Because 8ts eXcKusIvE
These people are literally erasing gays, lesbians, and women. 💀
I’m so glad my mother told me to stfu when I was 13 and thought I was trans male, because 100% I am female that leans masc. And thats totally okay. Most teen girls are confused and go through that “i’m not like other girls”/“I’m different” phase but it’s purely puberty. It’s literally normal to feel uncomfortable with your body until you’re fully developed. Or even just in general with how society puts pressure on women. Of course there are trans teens that really are trans-but a lot of the time, its just girls being confused and uncomfortable and no-one is normalising that feeling for them. It’s so sad, and I really thank god my mother was like “you need to wait and figure out if you truly feel like that”.
I’m glad I wasn’t born past 1995; I probably would have been so fucking confused. I’m an androgynous woman and that’s perfectly okay.
I’m so glad that it didn’t even cross my mind to change my gender or identity at that time.. back then I was sometimes fantasizing of being a man but after all I’m actually straight and even fem… kids now are having it so hard…
@@drosollo1615 I was born in 2003 and luckily didn't know anything about trans when I was younger. I definitely would've transitioned if I did, and I'm so glad I didn't!
Similar with me. When I was 11-13 I thought I was supposed to be a boy and I really thought I felt like a boy. Nope, not a boy just a dyke😂
I feel this so much. I was living my life as a tomboy until I was like 15. In those 15 years of my life I have identified as a lesbian, trans male, "demigirl", bisexual and "genderfluid". I thought those things because of the internet, obviously; everyone would tell me "Oh, why be a lesbian when you can just change your gender!!! Being straight and "cis" is weird!". I was literally planning out how I would get top surgery as soon as I turn 18.. Weird stuff. Thankfully, just one year later, I have now understodd that there's more to sexuality than just hugs and kisses. I also came to realise that it's okay to be a little masculine or tomboyish. I feel like I kind of forced that "masculine" image on myself, anyway. I am literally nowhere near masculine or dominant now. I am also very happy that I have a very womanly body. I'm SO glad that my parents aren't some freaks that would let me start taking hormones or some crap.
Honerable mention: Thanks for not letting me get a septum piercing either mom, that shi is UUUGLY (to me at least, I'm very feminine now), love you! XD
Instant follow. Also, you guys can disagree with all this liberal bs and still not have to consider yourself conservatives, the whole system is fucked and as you said the politicians don’t care about us. Also gender nonconforming is not nonbinary. It just means people don’t follow gender stereotypes.
ty for the follow !!
@@xoxomyah there's no such thing as non binary she's a girl, I'm a gay man and I can tell what a woman is, this madness is a cult it's one of the biggest ones in the world, I recommend watching menno parody songs he is hilarious.
4:19 gender non-conformity doesn't mean not being female. Gnc lesbians have existed forever, same with gnc gays. The thing is that lesbian just means female homosexual and gay just means male homosexual. That's it!
I feel like this comment just reflects on this entire video- their not necessarily wrong but their ideas miss a lot of the bigger picture.
You finding out that the orange in a lesbian flag is for non-men is the same as me finding out that as a gay man in drag i'm trans under their umbrella terms lmao
LOL
it's non-conforming actually, which means lesbians who just don't follow gender stereotypes. so i'll keep using the pretty orange and magenta flag :'D
@@buttershy_i’ll gladly just go with that then 💀
we love our unconventional queer queens
I really like the take that you dont have to be a lesbian to relate to lesbians or be more comfortable around lesbians bc im bisexual and i always felt like i had to be a lesbian to be part of the sapphic community or like i was less valuable in the sapphic community bc i was bisexual, and i also felt like i had to identify as a lesbian bc even tho im bisexual i mainly date women and have a preference for women and when id talk about that everyone would tell me i sound like a closested lesbian, im just rambling now but yeah im tired of everyone trying to force themselves into lesbian spaces instead of accepting that they cant use a label that just doesn't apply to them, im a leftist (i think) but yeah this discourse is so absurd also its been dividing the entire community for literally decades and leftists are honestly just as asinine and self absorbed as the people they criticize
This was a dope video! As a twenty-something sapphic woman myself, I wish there was more space created to share these type of perspectives in the general public. Its so hard nowadays without automatically being labeled as a bigot. The LGBT+ community just isn't the same as it used to be when it comes to sharing nuance. You either conform with public opinion or get pushed out.
GIRL I LOVE UR EDIT OMG I WAS DYING AT HOW U EDIT THESE
I'm a latina heterosexual but I respect the LGBT persons like you girls and I also agree for example when she said that anyone can enter the community I was surprised because that is a space for women that love women, it is like say than anyone can enter una comunidad latina ( a latin community) and that is supposed to be a community for people than share traditions, culture and language.
the way u edit videos is so fun to watch
thank you ! i try - if i had more time theyd be so much more detailed but i like to post every wednesday !!
I’m a gay man and I am more “conservative” and agree with a lot of the points they as well as you both said. I honestly can’t stand the left.
Same here
I am a bisexual man and I agree.
Yall are so cute together as always ❤ love your insight on this topic
Any comment anyone in the group makes, Amber: "THAT'S YOUR PRIVILEDGE!!! The sky is blue, Amber: "THAT'S PRIVILEDGE. Dogs are an animal, Amber: "CHECK YOUR PRIVILEDGE!!! Water is wet, Amber: " THAT'S PRIVILEDGE TALKING!!!
YOURE SO PRIVLEDGED TO BE ABLE TO SEE WATER IS WET.
Wow what a priviledge to type in all uppercase I don't have that @@CelleSleuths 🤯
I swear myah your editing style is too perfect 😂some good ass laughs
"Amber's Closet" is dishonest about her answer to "I would date a transwoman". First of all she was very silent for most of it, when she first spoke she brought up sports, then she stumbled through her words "we'd make it work".
On her IG (Nov 14, 2023), there's a post promoting her interview about lesbians dating bisexuals. Caption to that post below:
"Yes, there are some Lesbians that LOVE BISEXUALS!!
But at the same time, our experience is VERY different…
Bisexuals…can y’all chime in here and tell us your side?! Please!
And to the Lesbians out there…how do y’all feel about Bisexuals? And why?
In the longer version I mention that I think most women are on a scale of bisexuality from curious to fluid to fully bisexual, but that there are ALOT of women like myself that are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being attracted to men, but that there’s only like 15-20% of us."
Notice the last line...."women like myself that are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being attracted men..." , look what she made sure to capitalize.
Just noticed she just dropped her reaction to this debate. Haven't watched it yet, but I'm about to.
I love this video, speaking from a valid perspective without it shifting to trans or gendered topics. I know so many vids like this that go straight into gender and bashing trans people. This was refreshing and I feel the frustration because while I do like evolving and educating ourselves, growing into different kinds of people. Some of it can be ridiculous. I can understand a lot of things but not a non binary person being a "lesbian" for one. It just doesn't make sense to me. Anyone who identifies as a woman, yes, but if you're non binary, wouldn't you not want to be placed in a category that describes two women loving each other? I also don't like the people that are just done and want to "disband" the whole community because they aren't being reasonable either. You guys acknowledged the issues within the community but realized at the end of the day we do have problems daily outside of these debates and we all want the same thing, to live peaceful, safe lives.
she could have brought up the post roe supreme court opinion that said they should reevaluate the gay marriage ruling
This! I understand her core argument, but oh god she was unprepared and had trouble articulating what she it was she wanted to say. There is validity to what she is saying, but if you want to challenge people's views (aspecially the ones who are willing to listen and open to changing their mind) you need to be prepared and back up the things you're saying. Aspecially in public debates like these where you can at least somewhat prepare yourself earlier.
The other major issue was Amber citing what MIGHT happen not what IS happening. Gay and interracial marriage is "on their list" without citing who "they" are and being upset about something that hasn't happened and may not happen. It's foolish. You can't argue with "maybe".
The editing and endearment these two ladies have for each other has me sold, I'm subbed🤣 the editing killed me dude🤣🤣
im so glad you liked ! uhjnfgdv hehe
I'm so happy I found you both this was a breathe of fresh air ❤
it's funny how the other liberals were just silent while that one girl was talking about the rights we don't have. they knew she was talking crazy
Arielle is someone who has her stuff I disagree but it is undeniable that she at least is consistent with her opinions
didnt know i could love yall more???? (i love ppl with brains
i love you guys. Y’all always have the best takes 😂❤
THANK YOU BABY JESUS!!! I am so fucking happy to see this video! Where the fuck has common sense and scientific fact gone?!
I’ve always loved you for your commentary on these types of things Myah! Always keeping it real
been subbed for a hot minute, v glad to see you didn’t get sucked into all this nonsense 🫶🏼 refreshing perspective!
i am 8 months late to this but i am deep diving back into your content to catch up with you girl and i looooovelovelove that we're still on the same vibes about things let's gooooo (you guys are mad cute too)
These people are all about breaking boundaries. The quicker we all realize that then you'll understand how they think
This was really interesting as someone who is a very very vERY left leaning, we probably wouldn’t agree on a lot but I’ll never be someone who agrees with excluding people from lgbtq+ spaces because of differing political views so I like to hear a variety of opinions and perspectives within the community and will always defend against the LGBTQ+ community becoming a monolith with all the same opinions and thoughts.
You both seem very grounded and sensible people :)
Thought I'd leave a comment for support!
im lesbian and I also never thought I will ever say that lgbt is ideology... now I think on some level (woke level) it is. I think I even would stop going to parade, but I live in Poland and we dont have rights here soooooo.... :D
another video where i was nodding my head along the entire time.
I’m so thankful that more and more people are showing their common sense!!!
The left pushed me out of the left as well due to their craziness 😂
i just woke up with a hangover so bear with me lol
i feel like a lot of people in the queer community lose the big picture of why this community exists in the first place. like myah and ali (sorry if i spelled her name wrong btw) say, there are violent ass homophobes out there that dont give a fuck if youre a 'homoromantic asexual' or a 'nonbinary lesbian;' in their eyes, they just see 'an abomination.' We're all the same in the eyes of the hateful, they dont care about whatever petty labels you have for yourself, theyd rather see you dead or in a conversion camp.
There are homophobes out there that would rather transition their child than have a child who will grow up to be gay or lesbian. There are men, with penises, coercing lesbians into having sex with them because the men identify as lesbians. Sometimes the community is its own worst enemy and some gatekeeping is essential.
I heard someone saying the other day that as a society we have gone too far with our labels and boxes that we put ourselves into because if you put yourself in a very specific box then you have to act within the constraints of that box rather than just being free to be who and whatever you want to be and idk I sadly agree. Especially since stereotypes are inevitably created about every identity and then you’re choosing to place yourself into a very specific stereotype. Like if you announce that you’re nonbinary transgender lesbian (which I have heard before) people are going to immediately assume you’re so far left that no one can stand you. I find this videos topic very interesting!
So nice to hear level headed conversations 💞
I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts on this
Great video. I completely align with your views. Haven’t seen your videos recently but I’m glad this popped up on my recommended
You guys are great! Restoring my faith in humanity. I agree 100%!!!!
its the editing for me😂😂😂
I don't get why trans issues are always included in conversations like these. I'm a gay man and even in the Jubillee video they had for us the topic of trans men was brought up for no reason whatsoever. I believe things like that are really personal and up to the individual, and have next to nothing to do with a lesbian/gay "debate" or conversation. Like you two said, where were the questions about religion, conservative beliefs in regards to their sexuality, etc. Topics like those would've made for a much more relevant and engaging discussion on both sides.
well with nonbinary it doesnt mak sense... cus they arent gay or a les. 4the gay jubillee video, they had a gay trans man cus.... they r a gay trans man? obviously not a lesbian.
@@officialquantumhiveNo, in the gay Jubilee video they had a prompt asking whether or not the group would date a trans man. Why is that a question? Ultimately, that's up to the individual to decide. I don't think it should even *be* a topic to debate about, since it ultimately is a preference. The other things they discussed, such as the experiences they've had, how it shaped them, the prejudice they face, etc. was far more interesting and actually sparked some interesting conversation.
This was a really insightful video, thank you ❤ it’s a breathe of fresh air
myah ur videos feel like home :))
It is so nice to see this video. I loved it 💕. Keep posting.
Not even a lesbian but your thumbnail was so cute, you both are beautiful
You two are so smart and articulate! 🤍
love u myah thank u for keeping the lgbt sane
omg girl when did u come out? i havent seen u since u had green hair and made videos about imvu lolz. resubbed. love to see growth !!
i think why more nonbinary people are identifying as lesbians recently is just bc there isnt really a term for a nonbinary person who is only attracted to women or if there is its not popularized. like i know personally i dont feel comfortable calling myself a lesbian because i dont want to be perceived as a woman by other people, but im not bisexual either, i dont want to date men, so what do i call myself then? currently i just say im queer but it would be nice if there was a community/term that was commonly used for nonbinary people who are exclusively attracted to women (and the same for nonbinary people who are only attracted to men). i rly do think in this video the liberal side just did a bad job of presenting their arguments bc while feelings do matter to some extent in these discussion (i mean we're talking about labels that have to do with your romantic feelings and your feelings on gender after all), you cant convince people unless you bring up studies, statistics, etc or even just explaining yourself and why you feel a certain way clearly.
I agree with this.
There should be a term for non binary folk who are attracted to woman.
i understand your point but i fail to understand why such a term should even exist, i feel like just saying that youre nonbinary or gender-fluid and only attracted to men/women is just fine in almost every scenario
i personally think that when it comes to labels and terms regarding the lgbtqia+ community, theres already more than enough of them and i cant really think of any scenario where even more specific terms would be needed
(also meaning that the nonbinary person has no place in this specific discussion as it was only supposed to include lesbians - a woman attracted to women, but thats for a different conversation ig)
Why can't you be how you are and also be a woman? What about being perceived as a female bothers you? I'm not being a dick. I honestly want to know.
@@angel_existential its honestly really hard to explain because it is just a feeling i have. i would love it if i could just comfortably exist as a woman, it would make my life a whole lot easier, but ive never felt comfortable being addressed as such 🤷♀ the feeling i get when being called a woman is probably the same feeling a cis woman would get if they were exclusively called a man their entire life. its not that theyd have a problem with men, its just that they arent one. i dont have a problem with women, but being called one doesnt feel right. im not just a masc woman, if i was my entire gender expression would probably be different because i wouldnt be so uncomfortable with people looking at me and just seeing girl. i wish there was a better way to explain it but since it is literally just a feeling of discomfort with such terms, there isn't much else i can say.
brown hair should get a lip ring. On the right (from viewer perspective) it would suit her so well
7:31 please make a video talking about this girl I'd watch it for sure
Fuckwitz my new favorite word !!
I love this. Speaking so many facts
Its insane that jubilee video ! We are lesbian because we are same sex attracted to other women! Not to someone silly gender identity which does not exist your wither a man or a woman
love this video and your opinions. finally some sane lgbt people!!
If you are going to policing people saying word wrong on the spot - you best be fixing the many of arielle's mistakes. I'm just curious how you support her or at least not pull any of the conservatives up at all - otherwise people might think you hold most the same beliefs as them too? I'm just confused because - knowing she supports trump or is that your political leaning to? Anyway, glad to have some discourse or conversation - just feel some more nuance could be included because it's great to have discussions like this.
Please i want what yall have i wanna masc gf so bad i love yall 😭
I think the liberal should be named “woke lesbians” vs “common sense lesbians” bc I don’t think they’re conservative. But they have no choice to fall under that. Same with you. I am Latina who owns a small biz. The left pushed me to be a “conservative”
You should get on Lavlune’s bloodbath podcast I would love to hear both of you interact. That would be cooool
great video but i disagree gay men are inherently better at protecting ourselves, i'm a biological man with very small hands and narrow shoulders and i've also been hate crimed twice and both times i wasn't as capable at fighting back
13:54 This really is not true…a huge chunk of doctors that treat transgender patients aren’t “money hungry” and just want to carelessly put children on hormones, that’s not happening. I started transitioning as a minor and the process to go on HRT is a very VERY long process. I had to talk to a psychiatrist and speak to a therapist for over several months to be able to start my medical transition. I know you mean no harm with what you said but it’s such a misconception that doctors are convincing children that they’re transgender when that’s not true. If we want to talk about why people detransition, people mistaken other mental health issues they have for gender dysphoria.
it absolutely IS true. just because you personally had a different experience or possibly know about other different experiences, does not mean that thats automatically how it goes on in every place every time. now im not saying that every single case is the same, of course theres MANY cases in which the doctors care and the process takes longer, but at the same time, theres SO MANY cases in which its the exact opposite and you can easily get out of the doctors office with a prescription or a scheduled surgery from your very first visit/appointment. i understand that your intention of saying this is to make it known that there are doctors who actually care, which is good, but in discussions like these you also have to address that theres also many of them that are genuinely just money hungry and as time goes on, more and more experiences/cases like that are coming to light
@@kobi-jy9cv I don’t not believe there are money hungry doctors but the issue I have is when people who aren’t transgender try and push some type of narrative that all transgender people are “coerced” into believing they’re transgender. Sure there are doctors that abuse their power and don’t properly evaluate patients that may think they’re transgender, but people who put themselves in these situations are just as responsible as the doctor is. This is why education, resources, and research is so important so that people aren’t seeing just any random doctor, it’s important to know what gender dysphoria ACTUALLY is so people aren’t self diagnosing so flippantly. Therapy needs to be mandatory in these situations. It would solve a lot of problems.
This isn't everyone's experience though. Idk where you got treatment but many detransitioners are saying within 6 months they were being scheduled for surgeries and put on life changing hormones at an age where they can't understand the implications. Of course some doctors are well meaning but most want to exploit your insurance for as much as possible.
@@CelleSleuths saying MOST doctors just want to exploit transgender patients is an exaggeration. Obviously my experience doesn’t speak for every trans person. But there are a plethora of other transgender people who have had positive experiences with their transition. I find it so strange how people never want to acknowledge the many transgender people that do get proper medical treatment. Because detransitioners make up such a small percentage. And they’re are many reasons as to why people detransition, it’s not always because they regret being transgender or they were misdiagnosed.
I’m trans and watch people get put on by planned parenthood easy asf and regret it because almost the whole population, especially minors, identify as trans now when they aren’t. It was hard for me to get on T too, and I couldnt even get on it till I was 19 (I came out at 12 and tried to get on hormones since 15. Had every single sign and ppl advocating for me. It was my evil parents who prevented it, but had I had good parents, I wouldve been on by 16 easy.) cuz they’re giving this stuff to kids with barely any real signs of being trans. Ofc they wouldve given it to someone who identified as trans for YEARS and had all the signs. I couldnt go to school and was mute because of my voice. My dysphoria was making me handicapped. I couldnt sing in choir in the tenor section even tho there were no boys in the alto, and I wasnt out, so that was hard. Singing tenor as an alto. Couldnt join the basketball team because I wasnt on T. Couldnt even socialize! But there are tons of kids who go on it when they arent trans and it ruins their lives. I personally believe only if someone has been trans for one year should they be allowed on hormones. And they must be 16 and with parents permission. Because the detransitioning usually happens within 1 to 2 years. And they must be literally handicapped due to dysphoria. And they must have dysphoria cuz apparently u “don’t need it to be trans” now. Which is insane. I dont agree with the “u must be an adult” thing cuz I literally had my teen years fucked up, but yes u must be at least 16, gone through your first puberty, and must be socially transitioned for a year. And there better be better therapists than whoever tf has been in charge. Just like drugs and alcohol, kids will get things. They sell hormones on black market and the ones that r laced have killed trans people. But still, a lot of detransitions can be prevented. Edit: I didn’t even mention the depression and suicidal thoughts due to dysphoria that testosterone has alleviated, and some issues, even totally got rid of. That aspect also fucked up my teen years. Having to live like that. Don’t wish it on anybody. Unfortunately, if u give hormones to kids who don’t actually have gender dysphoria, they end up with it and probably will have bad effects like depression due to it.
Oh hey look, normal people
They still exist
I'm 62 and seeing you girls think alike means..
Were Lebians and nothing else fits the term!!
A "real" woman who loves a "real" woman..
lovv these kinds of videos from you & it nice to hear ally's pov too!! you guys match each other well. (-: kweenz standing on business
This quote from Bill Maher is quite relevant to a lot of these women who identify as non-binary “to be a woman, it doesn’t mean you have to be a Kardashian”.
Cool take, subscribed!
ty !!
Thanks for this. :D My definition of a lesbian is so old school. Lesbian = a woman that is/can be emotionally/sexually involved in a relationship (any kind) with another woman (person who was born with XX cromosomes and is producing eggs) and not men. I hate it that all of the sudden my girlfriend and I are now "queer" and not lesbians. I blame the US for bringing this stuff to EU XD.
I used to be liberal when I first started watching you as a teenager (we are the same age😇) I am now conservative and still love your content and do not care what your political views are bc politics aren’t everything 😭
Politics are your belief system, how you view the world, people in it and human rights. That is too important to not care about. You must be stupid or a privileged White woman, I can't wait for when they take away adoption rights for gay couples and the ability for same-sex couples to be on a birth certificate. Just like they are doing in Europe, but no worries Gay rights aren't under attack right...
It's just friendly fire
I really think we need to go back to just having lgb and drop the qt as lgb are sexuality t is gender and q is just people who want to join in but don't actually have skin in the game
I is a medical condition and A is asexual. Not having experience romantic or sexual attraction.
The left says everyone is included unless you disagree with them in even the smallest way and then you’re CANCELLED🙄
I saw this vids after searching "Transman react jubilee lesbian", and I initially thought you are those woke youtuber, happy that I'm wrong. It's time for people (especially those who technically belong to the community) to call out those insane delusional left
Yikes, much hot pinkness ladies* ..... a very good commentary on the current madness. As a bloke who's never fitted in, an ambivalent bloke who dresses "inappropriately" the last thing I want is to be a member of "A Community", especially one that includes people who aren't like me. This activism vague categorisation is purely to strip any understanding we have about who or what we are, to make us lost souls whilst providing the supposed security of comradeship. It's classic Commie playbook stuff and it not only needs calling out, it needs combatting and putting down.
* is that OK ? Apologies if not ...... Toodle pip !!
As a left Swede I thougt I would disagree with you guys but everything you said was facts :,)
bless up 🙏
jubilez?? 😳
#savethetomboys!
I feel like you don't fully understand that people can identify as more than one thing... like how hard is that to grasp though? As plain as someone being Italian and jamaican...well guess, what a person can identify as a lesbian and be non binary because they feel like a woman and also have a body that presents a certain way they can't necessarily control. It's not like their saying identify as a red popsicle. Like - have you experienced the universe, things aren't as black and white as you are making it out to be. You don't have to go full conservative just cos you have another opinion or disagreed with someone. 'Third gender' expressing people have been around since people have existed and have been celebrated and revered in many cultures for the differences they bring. I identify as queer and non-binary is a word that i identify with - why is that so hard for people to accept. It's not - some people just want a rigid labels to gatekeep.
The point isn't that you can't identify as more than one things at once. The point is that you can't identify as things that contradict each other which non binary and lesbian do. Like how you can't identify as non-white and as a white woman at the same time those things contractdict each other like non-binary and
lesbian.
@@elle-dd2hu pretty easily - by looking/appearing white but having a black mum or dad and growing up in a certain culture?
@@elle-dd2hu just the way some trans men still identify with lesbian culture because they grew up identifying as a lesbian - a transitional period to coming out as a trans man. Sometimes things still stay a part of someone, we aren’t robots.
what amber is getting at roots from her identity. i think what she’s speaking on is the intersectionality of race, gender expression, and sexuality. we have VISIBLE qualities that align people to minority groups and INVISIBLE qualities. people are first judged by the visible attributes that don’t align with the “majority” and then we are judged by the “invisible.” arguing oh let’s see the LAWS is extremely privileged. poc has historically been effected and barred from spaces, jobs, and resources to live without any laws being in place to legally do so. so that’s a mute point. our identity isn’t consigned by the presence or lack thereof of laws.
going back to ambers point she “presents” more than those other women because she looks (visibly) farther from the majority. she is black and Hispanic with afrocentric features where as the other woman who is also mixed has more eurocentric features. more so amber present masculine in a body people would automatically deem a woman and “supposed” to be feminine. the other woman presents more feminine. and then we get to the invisible minority groups aka sexuality. lesbians while they face struggles presently, non binary people are for lack of better words less understood. now that nuance could be how the group is very expansive on the definition of nonbinary. with that said even identifying lesbian is NOT the same for white women versus POC women. it’s called intersectionality and no shade but as white lesbians i would encourage you as a long time watcher to read up on the literature of queer poc women and how identifying as “other” in both visible and invisible ways have escalated the prejudice they face that is first rooted in racism, and then misogyny, and then homophobia.
i think ambers choices of words as “i present more” was not a wise choice. it’s a subjective experience of her life and those other women could have experienced an immense amount of hardship due to their identity. they also could not have. but only they know. i think in that manner she was projecting some feelings that appear to stem from her past and long gone friendship with one of the ladies there. i don’t think we should always play facts over emotions though. there is nothing factual about any part of a persons identity besides anatomy as it is based on medical studies and science. other than that people can identify however the fuck they want. no one can say one is right and one is wrong. who says our opinion even matters. while you question why they care so much to be accepted in a group that “they don’t fit in” we can equally question why do others care so much that they aren’t accepted by that group. just let people live. we all die anyways. they’re not harming anyone. no one in this video is. just like you said you guys don’t feel like when you go places like camping etc. you’ll be hatecrimed. well nonbinary peeps identifying as lesbian isn’t going to suddenly make you get hatecrimed. we all should just worry about and care about our own existence and our own relationship with our conscious. nothing more and nothing less.
Oh yea I definitely understood her point and I agree with it, but I feel like if she's going to go on shows like this and just in general in my opinion if you're going to advocate/debate publicly you need to articulate yourself better and show up with sources that back that up if you hope to change anyone's mind/views or even just make them question what they belive and encourage them to research further, which is what I would assume is your goal.
It's funny when that girl who asked "Show me the research or the stats that backed up your argument" and homegirl couldn't show ANYTHING or even reference it! Like if there are soooooo many laws and bills surely you can think of one bill...like girl you knew you were going to be debating...please bring your receipts LOL
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To the Conservative "Black/ Hispanic" women do not look unambiguously Black. She is very light-skinned and will not be treated the same way as the other Black Hispanic women on the panel. There are constant cases of discrimination happening to queer Black people (a Black gay man was literally killed for dancing after a concert while called homophobic slurs), let's not play dumb. Who is walking around with stats to prove common knowledge when this was supposed to be a discussion on opinions, not a college essay. Not shocked the White femme-presenting lesbians think otherwise LOL.
I'm a leftist and although Ive disagreed with you before, it's never been as misinformed as this. All love though, but can no longer look past your beliefs. Have a great life!
who r u again?
@@xoxomyah a former fan ❤️
So common sense now means being misinformed? Great then I'm misinformed then too 😂 the left is nuts
Bye! Have a great life yourself😂
leftists...