Apple M4 Pro + Studio One - THE TRUTH!

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  • Опубликовано: 5 янв 2025

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  • @joesalyers
    @joesalyers День назад +10

    Quick Tip for you, MacOS has a built in screen recorder in the Utilities folder called "screenshot", Screenshot that can record the screen and not use any CPU it uses the encoders, with audio from the DAW and your mic and you can use it by pressing down and holding in this order "shift, command, 5' for a shift command 3 will take a full screen shot and shift command 4 will let you choose the spot you want a picture of. Also another piece of advice open finder and drag your applications folder to the right size of the dock this will give you a menu a quick menu of all of your apps. If you right click on a folder in the dock you can make it a List or a Grid "the best is grid" or the awful FAN option, and you can make the folder just be a folder in the dock in the right click menu so it doesn't show the contents of the folder in the dock. Just choose folder instead of a stack.

  • @JamesZhan
    @JamesZhan 2 дня назад +16

    Such a great video, Mike! So much great info here for S1 users. Thanks again for reaching out; I really enjoyed our conversations :)

    • @studioonerevealed
      @studioonerevealed  День назад +1

      Thanks James! I appreciate your input :)

    • @User-rp9gq
      @User-rp9gq 20 часов назад +1

      Do you think the upgrade of ram to 48Gb is worth it or should i stay on 24Gb when buying?

  • @johnneiberger
    @johnneiberger 2 дня назад +6

    I just got an M4 Pro for Studio One last week and I've been quite happy with it. I will never, ever have this many tracks or plugins, so I think I'm rather future-proofed. Thanks for the push!

  • @NeuroPete
    @NeuroPete 2 дня назад +3

    Another thought: Studio one can run individual plug-ins in Rosetta mode, even while it runs in native mode itself. I wonder if you and James have different set ups in this regard, even with the same plug-ins, and that this might account for differences in your results.

  • @b4time718
    @b4time718 9 часов назад

    Great job Mike. Very interesting to see the vst results. Most tests I have seen use mostly audio tracks. I was th8nking thatvthe addition of plug in effects would make performannce somewhat similar to using vsts but that is clearly not the case. I often layer acoustic piano over compositions that are otherwise all vst so performance in that use case is very important to me. I am never gonna need 900 audio tracks but running 40+ vst tracks without bouncing would be great. Right now my track counts are usually in the 20s and channel counts about 30 or 40 due to some multi out instruments. I get zero dropouts using 64 buffer and not bouncing any tracks to audio so performance has been good in that regard but i do sometimes get annoying lags and 1 or 2 second beachballs when doing simple things like selecting a track or instrument editor. Getting that sorted out is today's studio goal! Really hoping it isn't a Mac problem. My experience with Apple support sounds similar to yours. They were unfailingly friendly and sounded helpful but kept bouncing me around.

  • @damienowens242
    @damienowens242 День назад

    This was great information. Thank's! Pulling the trigger on a M4 Mac this year. Dreading the migration. Currently still using my 2016 I Mac, 4 GHz i7 32GB 1TB. The track i'm mixing at the moment has 81 track's. 274, 3rd party plugins with 17 track's frozen. Buffer set to 1024. Processing thread 8 and buffer set too large. It's on the brink of total collapse but still going.

  • @billykellum
    @billykellum День назад

    Thanks Mike. I am in the process of dividing my home studio between my tried and true Cakewalk/Studio One 7 PC with my new Mac Mini M4 Pro with Studio One 7. Your new journey into the Mac world is of utmost interest to me for oblivious reasons. 👍 My audio interfaces are currently all USB so I am curious of how that’s going to work on the Mac.

  • @brettgordon9956
    @brettgordon9956 15 часов назад

    Great Video! You and James have covered everything I needed to know for the real world situations I face daily. Will be upgrading my Mac Pro trashcan in the next few months to either the M4 Pro Mini or M4 studio once it's announced.
    Thanks so much, really appreciate it.

  • @RichieBeaumont
    @RichieBeaumont День назад

    Yes I also found that the amount of RAM plays a big role when using multiple virtual instruments. Thanks for your great videos.

  • @ShredGeek
    @ShredGeek День назад

    Great video!! Thank you! I always watches Zhan’s video a few weeks ago and was surprised to see his test show studio one not using all the cores, but yours did!! Great test!!

  • @unstopology
    @unstopology 15 часов назад

    Doesn't having a good interface help with performance/latency? How does it help or not help?

  • @markholley
    @markholley 2 дня назад +3

    I'd love to see a usb test as well.

  • @realchuckwow
    @realchuckwow 2 дня назад

    Glad to hear you finally got your machine and it works. 🎉

  • @jimmyk9998
    @jimmyk9998 2 дня назад

    I found this very helpful. Yours and James video helps paint a picture of real life usage. I have mixed a some what large song with about 115 track. I have an M1 studio with 32 gigs of ram and a 1 terabit hard drive. I have had it for just over two years. There are short moment when it ever so slightly slows down. That tells me it’s getting time to clean my hard drive. I will take a look at the M5 or M6 when it comes out. I love my M1. Every problem I had over the years vanished when I purchased it.
    Thanks to James and yourself. You are helping to paint a picture of where I’m at, and when I need to start looking to update.
    Who knows by then the new 100 percent optical computer will com out. Till then I will keep enjoying my Apple Sauce.

  • @kdw735
    @kdw735 День назад

    Thank you Mike. Looking to picking up an M4 pro for studio one and a Quantum 4848. Tracking 48 tracks live with effects while providing monitoring for five people with as little latency as possibe is a pretty tall order. Most videos are about how many tracks you can mix at a time. I've never had a problem with that. I think the real challenge is tracking and you are the first person I've seen address this. I'd like to see a video of someone recording a five piece band with studio one and maybe a quantum 4848 using an apple M4 device. A good add for PreSonus and apple.

  • @neilbeddoes_music
    @neilbeddoes_music 10 часов назад +1

    Quick ask…I have an m1 Mac, 16gb ram 1 tb ssd. I’m mixing 32 tracks atm and having drop outs of audio. Looked it up and by the looks of it, it’s a disk issue? Anyway around it??? Thanks btw

    • @studioonerevealed
      @studioonerevealed  10 часов назад

      A disk issue is one possibility. We'd need more info. What's your sample rate, buffer size. What kinds of tracks? Do you happen to have a mastering plugin on the main bus?

    • @neilbeddoes_music
      @neilbeddoes_music 9 часов назад

      @ thanks for getting back to me. I’ll check and get back to you…thanks again

    • @neilbeddoes_music
      @neilbeddoes_music 9 часов назад

      @ so back in my studio now, audio device set at 4096 samples, drop out is off, block size is 4096, process precision is double 64bit, main is ez mix, on busses are multi band dynamics, pro eq, room reverb this is for drums, girls vocals, and a male vocal. I’m currently working with 32 tracks of audio. 👍🏻

  • @eshortsax
    @eshortsax 2 дня назад

    I’ve been using PC for music since 2020 but I miss the convenience of using airdrop to send files to my computer from my phone. Still considering it but not a high priority on my list right now. Thanks for the video and Happy New Year! 😊

  • @bill-sr1vd
    @bill-sr1vd День назад +1

    Some plugins have the ability to do their own multithreading, which accounts for the Amplitube5 results you saw. Kontakt can do that also. In practice, it's not a good idea to use that feature since it can conflict with the host's own threading, so most plugins that have that feature have a way to turn it off.

  • @d-zone
    @d-zone 2 дня назад

    any tips on what to install on internal SSD and external TB drive? I've gone with mac Mini pro and 8tb NVME via TB4 CADDY. I have foun some software won't allow you to install on and external drive but can get around this by installing MACos on the drive but boot fromt he internal SSD, UVI and others had issues with an extrrnal drive unless it's a "Boot" drive. I am getting 3000mb/s read and write on the external drive.

  • @purple_sorcerer
    @purple_sorcerer День назад

    On the ‘brute force’ test, my M1 Mac Studio with 32 gigs of ram croaked at 325 tracks. (I was really surprised performing one of your later tests that I could set the block size back to 64 samples, and still record without issues with 255 tracks (and 760 plugins) playing behind it using the green z)

  • @y-man8925
    @y-man8925 День назад

    Great job Mike (as usual …) ! 👍

  • @trebleboost7
    @trebleboost7 День назад

    Finally! A real world test from the tracking side of things. What is the thought of multitrack (16+) tracks at a time for instance?

  • @limbophonic1
    @limbophonic1 День назад

    Thanks , i have seen many such videos but none mention the process of moving and reinstalling hundreds of vst plugins that are authorised to a windows system onto a Mac, have you any advice or tips for people like myself that are moving from windows to mac,

    • @studioonerevealed
      @studioonerevealed  День назад +1

      I didn't personally have any problems. I think that's because all the ones I use either allow installation on multiple machines, or allow multiple authorisations.

  • @SteveCumberland81
    @SteveCumberland81 День назад

    Great video and another +1 vote for a USB test!

  • @KingdomScorned
    @KingdomScorned День назад

    I have the same MBP as you except the 512gb SSD version, i cant even use studio one pro 7 for longer than 20 minutes without getting significant graphical glitches, artifacts, the UI totally disappering, etc, its been completely unusable for me, I've tried reinstalling, everything is up to date, changing audio settings, same issues. I dont have any issues in any other app on it, including multiple other DAWs i use. Its a bummer 😞

  • @thiagocesaro
    @thiagocesaro 2 дня назад +1

    Loved your desk configuration! Are these Adam TV5's?

  • @richardsmith1487
    @richardsmith1487 День назад

    Would be interested to know the amount of unified memory usage in these tests

  • @marcpinion
    @marcpinion 2 дня назад

    Thanks for a very informative and useful video. I am a studio one user that uses a PC. I have thought about getting a new Mac mini. I use all hardware synths,guitars and outboard effects. A standard track count would be 20 tracks. I use a Tascam 2400 as a usb audio interface and have a Behringer xr 18 going into 2 channels of the Tascam to give me individual inputs from my 2 drum machines. What sort of speck mini would you sagest I don’t use plugins or samples libraries. My only concern is I have 5 synths and 2 drum machines all with usb connections to my PC and if I got a Mac I would take advantage of aggregated devices and have both usb sound cards connected to the Mac. Any suggestions would be very appreciated.

  • @DaMixWizard
    @DaMixWizard День назад +1

    What's the name of that desktop/tabletop? What's the dimensions?

    • @studioonerevealed
      @studioonerevealed  День назад

      Hi, it's made by a company called Desky. I have the 2000 x 750 size.

  • @Epicator
    @Epicator 2 дня назад

    Very insightful video! I'm planning to get a Mac Mini M4 Pro this month, with the basic pro chip and 64 gb of ram. I wonder how it will handle big orchestral templates, since every different Kontakt instance hogs up ram. While if you use two of the same it only loads into ram once. I wonder how it affects the CPU as well. For example if it's a major CPU usage difference if you use different orchestral instruments compared to copies of the same. That would be a fun test 😁

  • @Dot_je
    @Dot_je 2 дня назад +1

    I used Studio One for years, along with the FaderPort 16 and Atom SQ. However, after conducting performance tests and evaluating their new update policy, I decided to switch to another DAW.

    • @ezrashanti
      @ezrashanti 2 дня назад

      I left Studio One for Cubase Four years ago. After seven years of use. inefficient CPU usage and Way too much crashing.

  • @Victinfien
    @Victinfien 2 дня назад

    16in M4 Max, using Ableton Live 12.1.5 with a RME UCX 2 at 48khz 32samples is 1.44ms in,1.54ms out for 2.98ms total over USB 2.0

  • @Ray-um3if
    @Ray-um3if 2 дня назад

    Hi Mike, hope you are well. Great video, very thorough, and very informative. Have you ever done a similar test with your PC and if so what were the results?

  • @bill-sr1vd
    @bill-sr1vd День назад +1

    How was the fan noise when you ran your tests?

    • @studioonerevealed
      @studioonerevealed  День назад +1

      Good question. When I got up to about 96% CPU usage, that was the first time I heard the fan kick in! I've heard a lot louder, but it's not quiet.

    • @p.m-audio
      @p.m-audio День назад

      the fan noise is not really a problem anymore with this machine i have the m4 for with the biggest cpu mac mini

  • @colognialist1964
    @colognialist1964 2 дня назад

    Im using Mac for more than 20 years. S1, Bitwig and logic works great - even with virtual instruments. I’m also do some Adobe premiere and AE stuff. Great again. Actually on a M1 MacBook Pro - still waiting for the Mac Studio M4.

  • @musicahoy1893
    @musicahoy1893 2 дня назад +2

    Third-party plugins work differently in each DAW, but there are some that do use a lot of CPU for no reason.

    • @musicahoy1893
      @musicahoy1893 2 дня назад +2

      I use windows with studio one 7+ and it works wonderfully

  • @nabbalight1
    @nabbalight1 2 дня назад

    Curious as to if CWBBL would give the same results as S1PRO Mike?

  • @royzderich
    @royzderich 2 дня назад

    Hey great review, im still using an M1, waiting to see if Apple launch something on the MAC Studio line before make any purchase, it's very impressive what your M4 machine can do! My studio is more on review work and complement the work of other members of my team, but i want reasonable speed on Studio One, and FCX. I think M4 line up is very impressive! thank you!

  • @johnneiberger
    @johnneiberger 2 дня назад

    One question: what OS are you running? Mine came with 15.1, so I updated to the latest 15.2 and it seems okay but gets occasional kernel panics and reboots. It's rare, and usually happens immediately after booting up, but I'm curious if you've seen anything like that. It appears to have something to do with USB-connected devices, and I only have two: a 4TB nVME enclosure and a Presonus 68C interface.

  • @johnsnyder4949
    @johnsnyder4949 2 дня назад

    great testing mike....im gonna move to mac

  • @grooveniks1872
    @grooveniks1872 2 дня назад

    did you enable the Z button for the instrument tracks?

  • @bobbieoneal
    @bobbieoneal Час назад

    Why "z" means lower latency make my signal much more quiet ? :[

  • @CMedia87
    @CMedia87 2 дня назад

    Do you have a full course on studio one?

  • @NeuroPete
    @NeuroPete 2 дня назад

    Interesting analysis, thanks. I saw James Zhan‘s video, and I was disappointed that S1 didn’t compare well to other DAW‘s, seemingly because it doesn’t use the efficiency cores. Maybe that will change someday, but I like other aspects of S1 enough to stick with it for now.
    I will be interested to see if music software starts to use GPU cores in the coming years. I don’t do video or photo production, so it irritates me that there’s so much wasted power in my Mac that could be used for music production. This is not science fiction, as there is already one company, GPU Audio, that is doing this with a small number of products, including Vienna Symphonic’s Power House, and Audio Modelling’s SWAM.
    Still, my M1 Max laptop does everything I need in music right now, though it does sometimes crackle and pop with a CPU-intensive virtual instrument or effects chain, combined with a low sample size, such as 64 or 128.
    Sometime in the next two or three years, I expect to upgrade to a desktop Mac for my main music machine, keeping the laptop for other things. What your and James‘ tests tell me is that I should prioritize performance cores when I buy (M6 or M7 by then?).

  • @johnnygeibHST
    @johnnygeibHST День назад

    Awesome video! Killer information.. So sorry we never got the chance to work together.

  • @jeffagoddard
    @jeffagoddard День назад

    Well done 👍

  • @markelvinstudio
    @markelvinstudio 2 дня назад

    Test 5 is very dissapointing. I work with large midi templates and was contemplating a mini pro, but with samples hosted externally in a second computer with 128gb ram. I wonder if the m4 pro would then play more tracks

  • @carlosp.1846
    @carlosp.1846 2 дня назад

    Interesting tests thank you

  • @kagunmarx5914
    @kagunmarx5914 8 часов назад

    It's so strange to see the Cakewalk guy talking about a mac. 😅 I hope it works out for you, I ended up going back to windows due to apple's limitations.

  • @nico-zh4eo
    @nico-zh4eo 2 дня назад

    No that storage isnt overkill but 1500 plugins !!!! Omg!

  • @mikejackson7880
    @mikejackson7880 8 часов назад

    Apple... why?
    I recently watched a video of the Kreative Devices mini that crushed the M4 in performance, for much less when maxed out.

  • @uzaysametaydin
    @uzaysametaydin 2 дня назад

    thank you

  • @dougleydorite
    @dougleydorite День назад

    You use how many plugins!? That had to have been a sarcasm

  • @kwakester
    @kwakester 2 дня назад +3

    I'm a diehard PC user and belong to a few Studio One Facebook groups. Almost every single one of the many problem posts seem to always be linked to Apple machines. I'm not willing to spend all that money to have that experience.

  • @bill-sr1vd
    @bill-sr1vd День назад +1

    Just to point out the obvious about why you got different test results than James Zhan: he used a different cpu than you. He used a 12 core M4Pro.

    • @studioonerevealed
      @studioonerevealed  День назад

      Yes quite correct. That's why I wasn't surprised to get a few extra tracks in his test (with the same plugin).

  • @doctorklik
    @doctorklik День назад

    I guess this must be good information for Apple users, but I will never be able to justify the Rolls-Royce expense of a computer like yours. I liked your videos better when you were helping people make the most of the free Cakewalk by Bandlab DAW on affordable generic PCs (and thank you for those tutorials).

  • @DanaVastman
    @DanaVastman 2 дня назад +1

    Switching from PC to Mac M3 Max last Christmas was revelatory. I will NEVER go back. 100% PC since day one/pre-midi (I'm 74). Many custom builds over the years. Apple's new chips blow Intel garbage away. Never thought I would say that but to ignore it is pure stupidity

  • @amitabhaelliott
    @amitabhaelliott 7 часов назад

    Aww common. Use heavier cpu 3rd party plugins to be realistic. Almost no one serious uses stock plugins.

  • @VickenIshkhanian
    @VickenIshkhanian День назад

    Nice test but I will have to disagree with most it wasn’t very useful! I was hoping to compare the test projects to M1 M2 and M3 but didn’t see that. In addition duplicating audio tracks does not put any stress on the bus system because the track is loaded into ram even if it is duplicated 500 times. In real life if you have 100 audio tracks such as an orchestra all playing at the same time it will be very stressful on the system, I did not see that test done by you. One more similar test you got it wrong when you duplicated kontakt with Alisha Keys library, again all samples are already loaded into ram so having 100 kontakt tracks playing the same library doesn’t mean you can play even 40 different libraries, especially you have all sample libraries externally saved. I wanted to like your tests but non of them are real life scenarios unless if you intended to compare to previous version as I mentioned but you didn’t. Cheers.

  • @joobastudio
    @joobastudio 2 дня назад

    comment for algo :)

  • @JpeterZoom-gt3pn
    @JpeterZoom-gt3pn 2 дня назад

    Interesting you use universal audio interface when you can get better performance out of rme audio interface. Seems strange you would go to all that expense and use a universal audio interface.

    • @studioonerevealed
      @studioonerevealed  День назад

      Define 'Performance'.

    • @p.m-audio
      @p.m-audio День назад

      what the inteface has to dor with it ? I have the RME UFX 3 but you can use also the intern soundcard from apple to run the test

  • @sarty23
    @sarty23 2 дня назад

    A 650 dollar pc

  • @herbst1398
    @herbst1398 День назад

    All I can say is, don't use Studio One any more. The company has changed its distribution model, it is no longer possible to buy the program but only to rent it annually - therefore, don't buy it anymore but download a .tor the “old way” and be happy not to throw money down the throat of a company that sees its customers as “prey”.

    • @kadiummusic
      @kadiummusic День назад +1

      Not true, after 12 months of free updates you own it! 😎

    • @herbst1398
      @herbst1398 День назад

      @@kadiummusic NOT TRUE - You dont get updates after one year - you dont get updates or new features - ONLY FOR PAYING ! - AGAIN - !

    • @AGZT94
      @AGZT94 13 часов назад

      @@herbst1398If you had a business..wouldn’t you want money to update the product? You think you would work for free? That’s not how the world runs at the end of the day. They aren’t forcing anyone.

    • @b4time718
      @b4time718 2 часа назад

      Could be wrong but i think you continue to get updates that apply to version you own.