Excellent review and comparison. I'm curious to know if you could give me some idea of battery life as it relates to only landscape shoots. I currently use the z7ii and can go on one battery a day for a landscape shoot. Does the Z8 compare?
It feels similar or maybe very slightly worse than the z7ii. I just did a 4 hour or so shoot the other day and was down to 1 bar on a single battery. That being said I don’t do much to mitigate battery drain (I just keep a lot of batteries on hand) so I’ll bet you could squeeze a full day out of it.
For landscape, I feel like Nikon wins. The 14-24 is better (slightly) than the 15-35. The 24-120 is much much better than canon’s 24-105. Canon takes a bit of a w with their 100-500, but I have a second copy of the Nikon 100-400 that performs as well as any telephoto I have ever used between 100-300 (sharper than my 70-200). But that’s just the high end glass. Nikon also has a 14-30, 17-28, 28-75, 70-180, 24-200, 70-300 (tamron). Canon has the 14-35. I have shot some of my favorite landscapes with canon, but right now as a system I feel like Nikon is bringing more to the table.
@@summitbidI have a 5d3 and f4 zoom trinity and am trying to decide on r5/r52/z73/sony for my first full frame mirrorless. I heard the nikon 14-30 f4 is not as sharp as my Canon 16-35 f4. Nikon z 14-24 2.8 is very expensive.
If you can buy the Z7ii used like I did for $2k (with less than 5k shutter count) then it makes a lot of sense. But if you're buying new the Z8 is a no-brainer.
I mean, the Z8 cost 4300 euro vs 2800 for the Z7 ii. so 1500 euro difference. I am not saying there are no features in the Z8 I don't like, I like the better EVF, the screen flipping both ways is lovely, AF improvement is always welcome. But then there is about a 0.3-0.4 stop reduction in dynamic range below ISO 500 (at least according to Photons to Photos) and a bit worse battery life. I mean, it is a great camera, but those improvements are totally not worth 1500euro for a landscape photographer.
@@Eikenhorst I am into landscape/cityscape and trying to decide on my first full frame mirrorless (r5 vs nikon/sony). Coming from a 5d3 with f4 trinity. Curious if Nikon will release a z7 iii, but also concerned about lens sharpness (14-30 f4) as it seems much worse than canon/sony. z8 and r52 seem geared towards action not landscape.
@@jhellier Well as always, it is more about lenses than bodies: what focal lengths do you shoot (look at your favourite pictures from the past), what budget do you have, is weight very important, etc. For example, Canon has the enviable 15-35 f/2.8 or the lighter 14-35 f/4. Both seem fantastic, but I personally miss a way to utilize those in a light 2 lens setup (a 50-400 would be fantastic there). Nikon has the 14-30 f/4 and you can match with the 28-400 for unbeatable weight and versatility with more than acceptable sharpness (for my taste), ideal if you hike a lot for your shoots. Nikon has no 16-35mm f/2.8, only the 14-24 that doesn't take front filters. Sony has all the lenses in the world, except nothing wider than 16mm that takes front filters, but a 16-35 with a 50-400 is fantastic weight, versatility and sharpness.
Without doing testing that basically requires a camera failure, weather sealing tends to be a 'comfort' and 'confidence' determination rather than something we measure. Do you have a sense of how your confidence in the weather sealing of the Z8 and A7RV compare?
I have only used the a7rv a little bit, but I feel more confident in the z8. Nikon does a good job making their cameras FEEL very robust and weather sealed in a way that Sony doesn’t. That being said I have used both brands extensively and have never had an issue with either. Sony cameras are notorious for getting water in the hot shoe causing errors and corrosion so I have always kept a hot shoe cover in my Sonys.
I am watching this in December 2024 and I realize that this review is a year old. Sale prices for the Z7ii are $1,999 which appear to be a deal and maybe more bang for your buck than a Z8. At this price is the Z7ii actually better?
I love my z8, especially for night photography. The starlight mode is straight up magical. Gone are the days of taking a million test shots to compose in the dark. THe warm mode is nice, but I find it impossible to see the focus point, so I turned it off. Hopefully nikon can firmware update the camera so only the focus point shows in white while in warm mode. I also really wish the extended shutter mode was in third stop increments rather than the how disorganized it is not, really frustrating to work with at the moment and I have no idea who thought that was a good idea to have a full stop, then half stop, then third stops when going from 30 sec to 15 minutes
Thanks for these points. Did you upgrade from an older Z system or DSLR (850)? I currently have a Z7ii which i absolutely love, and am just wondering if it is worth it to upgrade to Z8. I really would like some of the things on the Z8 to be on Z7ii, like a tilting screen while on Tripod for portrait mode, and backlit buttons. But just not sure that is worth the $2K upgrade cost. Do you really like the Z8, and how is the weight of it on hikes, and such? Thanks again!
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Excellent review and comparison. I'm curious to know if you could give me some idea of battery life as it relates to only landscape shoots. I currently use the z7ii and can go on one battery a day for a landscape shoot. Does the Z8 compare?
It feels similar or maybe very slightly worse than the z7ii. I just did a 4 hour or so shoot the other day and was down to 1 bar on a single battery. That being said I don’t do much to mitigate battery drain (I just keep a lot of batteries on hand) so I’ll bet you could squeeze a full day out of it.
Very good info on the Z8. What is your feelings regarding Nikon glass vs Cannon RF glass.?
For landscape, I feel like Nikon wins. The 14-24 is better (slightly) than the 15-35. The 24-120 is much much better than canon’s 24-105. Canon takes a bit of a w with their 100-500, but I have a second copy of the Nikon 100-400 that performs as well as any telephoto I have ever used between 100-300 (sharper than my 70-200). But that’s just the high end glass. Nikon also has a 14-30, 17-28, 28-75, 70-180, 24-200, 70-300 (tamron). Canon has the 14-35. I have shot some of my favorite landscapes with canon, but right now as a system I feel like Nikon is bringing more to the table.
@@summitbidI have a 5d3 and f4 zoom trinity and am trying to decide on r5/r52/z73/sony for my first full frame mirrorless.
I heard the nikon 14-30 f4 is not as sharp as my Canon 16-35 f4. Nikon z 14-24 2.8 is very expensive.
Those are very good points. I've owned Z7, Z9, and Z8, and I agree with your take on them when it comes to landscape photography.
Z9 have the Starlight mode also?
It does!
If you can buy the Z7ii used like I did for $2k (with less than 5k shutter count) then it makes a lot of sense. But if you're buying new the Z8 is a no-brainer.
Exactly.
I mean, the Z8 cost 4300 euro vs 2800 for the Z7 ii. so 1500 euro difference. I am not saying there are no features in the Z8 I don't like, I like the better EVF, the screen flipping both ways is lovely, AF improvement is always welcome. But then there is about a 0.3-0.4 stop reduction in dynamic range below ISO 500 (at least according to Photons to Photos) and a bit worse battery life. I mean, it is a great camera, but those improvements are totally not worth 1500euro for a landscape photographer.
@@Eikenhorst I am into landscape/cityscape and trying to decide on my first full frame mirrorless (r5 vs nikon/sony). Coming from a 5d3 with f4 trinity.
Curious if Nikon will release a z7 iii, but also concerned about lens sharpness (14-30 f4) as it seems much worse than canon/sony.
z8 and r52 seem geared towards action not landscape.
@@jhellier Well as always, it is more about lenses than bodies: what focal lengths do you shoot (look at your favourite pictures from the past), what budget do you have, is weight very important, etc. For example, Canon has the enviable 15-35 f/2.8 or the lighter 14-35 f/4. Both seem fantastic, but I personally miss a way to utilize those in a light 2 lens setup (a 50-400 would be fantastic there). Nikon has the 14-30 f/4 and you can match with the 28-400 for unbeatable weight and versatility with more than acceptable sharpness (for my taste), ideal if you hike a lot for your shoots. Nikon has no 16-35mm f/2.8, only the 14-24 that doesn't take front filters. Sony has all the lenses in the world, except nothing wider than 16mm that takes front filters, but a 16-35 with a 50-400 is fantastic weight, versatility and sharpness.
Without doing testing that basically requires a camera failure, weather sealing tends to be a 'comfort' and 'confidence' determination rather than something we measure. Do you have a sense of how your confidence in the weather sealing of the Z8 and A7RV compare?
I have only used the a7rv a little bit, but I feel more confident in the z8. Nikon does a good job making their cameras FEEL very robust and weather sealed in a way that Sony doesn’t. That being said I have used both brands extensively and have never had an issue with either. Sony cameras are notorious for getting water in the hot shoe causing errors and corrosion so I have always kept a hot shoe cover in my Sonys.
@@summitbid Thanks
Excellent video.I fully agree with all your points.
Thanks for watching!
I think you forgot to mention that the Z9 also has built-in GPS which is really nice for landscape photography.
That’s interesting… I have never really used that for landscape… how do you implement gps?
@@summitbid Just turn the gps on in the z9 and it puts the info into the meta and lightroom will read and show on a map.
Take a selfie, save in your phone and you have gps 😂
Lol, that’s an option. I have made several
Go to books though with maps beside them showing the location on map from the gps. Makes it nice and easy
Lol, that’s an option. I have made several
Go to books though with maps beside them showing the location on map from the gps. Makes it nice and easy
I am watching this in December 2024 and I realize that this review is a year old. Sale prices for the Z7ii are $1,999 which appear to be a deal and maybe more bang for your buck than a Z8. At this price is the Z7ii actually better?
I love my z8, especially for night photography. The starlight mode is straight up magical. Gone are the days of taking a million test shots to compose in the dark. THe warm mode is nice, but I find it impossible to see the focus point, so I turned it off. Hopefully nikon can firmware update the camera so only the focus point shows in white while in warm mode. I also really wish the extended shutter mode was in third stop increments rather than the how disorganized it is not, really frustrating to work with at the moment and I have no idea who thought that was a good idea to have a full stop, then half stop, then third stops when going from 30 sec to 15 minutes
Thanks for these points. Did you upgrade from an older Z system or DSLR (850)? I currently have a Z7ii which i absolutely love, and am just wondering if it is worth it to upgrade to Z8. I really would like some of the things on the Z8 to be on Z7ii, like a tilting screen while on Tripod for portrait mode, and backlit buttons. But just not sure that is worth the $2K upgrade cost. Do you really like the Z8, and how is the weight of it on hikes, and such? Thanks again!