I think it's important to know that a lot of the connections in terms of animators were also thanks to the animation producer Yuuichiro Fukushi, which is important cuz he still very much is involved with Madhouse's most creative projects and another one of the reasons Frieren and Sonny Boy looked so good. Because Fukushi's team and connections are still around, it's not that it's impossible for a show like OPM S1 to exist again. It's just that said team didn't continue with OPM. As for why Fukushi and/or other people at Madhouse decided to continue adapting Frieren and not One Punch Man is beyond me (albeit I'm more of a fan of Frieren than OPM) but ultimately, it seems like Fukushi usually doesn't want to feel chained to one project and instead work on a plethora of one-and-done things at least until Frieren. Not to belittle Gigguk's clip cuz pointing out how good Shingo Natsume is as a director is better than saying "look at all the budget that went into this show!!!!" but I just figured it's worth adding. And I think honestly animation producers can give you a better picture of the quality to expect compared to the directors sometimes: Ninja Kamui has the same director as JJK season 1 but Ninja Kamui had nowhere near the amount of animation power, while Wonder Egg Priority, My Dress Up Darling, Bocchi the Rock and Elusive Samurai all have different directors but a lot of the same animators due to Shouta Umehara’s connections as an animation producer
If people are interested in how shows can get a dream team together, I recommend reading Sakugablog. They have good blog post on highlighting talent and how they came to be in certain projects.
About your question, production cometee wanted s2 in particular amount of time, so they found team that would make it in this time, nothing else mattered. Even with horribly small amount of time twam at JC Staff did crazy good job, i don't remember main animator sadly, but he did crazy huge amount of work by himself and best looking moments of s2 are thanks to him.
nah its cuz OPM didnt have enough materials for a season 2 as it used to release really slowly (now there is enough for like 3-4 season) and shingue natsumi i think (s1 director) actually wanted to do season 2 but JC didnt or couldnt wait for him to be free back then, tbf JC had a lot of problems when making S2 hell they had to make it in like 4-5 months and that is horrible
MAPPA's animation producer (aniP) Keisuke Seshimo is capable of making a season on par or even better than OPM S1, he has insane connections but always nerfed because of abysmal schedules. You'll see the amount of talent he will pull for CSM movie. JJK S2 had the same quality of staff as OPM S1, CSM reze will be the same case. The industry is not ready for a Seshimo project with a good schedule, it will move mountains.
@@userK894 A new AniP (Naotake Muraoka) will be added to JJK likely, and I hope it happens. Then Seshimo can mostly focus on CSM and superwise JJK. For now, Lazarus has great schedule & insane staff. Matsunaga cooked too much on that project. I am very excited for it.
@@arthurmorgan251 yeh I saw about that too will surely reduce a lot of burden from seshimo's shoulder lol Yeh just hoping the story is also good but it's Watanabe I have faith and prob matsunaga already moved to dorohedoro s2
Insane cope. Natsume is a different level of action director than anyone from seshimo line. JJK staff wasn't that good aside from Go ep. Most of the talents are pulled by Directors like Gosso, Nakayama, Yoshihara. Seshimo is most overrated AniP of the industry
I don't think it's impossible for Madhouse. OPM S1 wasn't the only season they produced that was top-notch all throughout. Sonny Boy and Frieren? They even somehow pulled in Nakamura for Frieren. Shingo Natsume *is* the guy to hire though. Gotta get the guy who can get the other guys. Wonder if he's seen the CSM movie trailer though. And the PSG trailer under Studio Trigger now. From Edgerunners, to Delicious in Dungeon, to Panty and Stocking. All this anime studio talk and Studio Trigger is in a corner just cooking like they always have.
I'm still surprised that a lot of animators work in freelance and aren't directly employed by the studios. It feels so different compared to how other creative industries work.
@@vianabdullah2837 it is because they have freedom to choose to work on any series that they like if they are freelancers compared to being an in-house you cannot have that freedom.
Different?? Most action shows do this, Chainsaw man, Jujutsu Kaisen, Attack on Titan (both MAPPA and WIT), Mob Psycho 100, Ranking of Kings etc Hell, it doesn't even need to be action Frieren, Heavenly Delusions also have a lot of freelancers There are few studios that go full in-house like Ufotable and Trigger
@@daboi8734 I do not know about ufotable but you are wrong with Trigger because Trigger also using freelancers like any other big studio. You should have mention Kyoto Animation instead of Trigger.
@@treebush Again wrong. It wasn't just the director that pulled all the talent. It was also Toshiya Otomo, animation producer at Bind. He also made Onimai with a different director but most of the MT staff worked on it. MTs 2 didn't look great like s2 because it's schedule god butchered from Onimai being produced by the same team and heavy disagreements between the director and studio.
@@SimplyRohith-sv5hd it wasn't just. The school arc also didn't pull in the best animators either. The hope is season 3 being the biggest plot developments and action of the series thus far would pull in more talent. Also season 2 part 2 looked significantly better than S2 part 1
The whole myth created about One Punch Man is quite annoying, it was not a production miracle or something similar, it was the product of a lot of effort and the person responsible for it is the exclusive animation producer of Madhouse, Yuuichirou Fukushi: Bandai offered the adaptation of OPM to Fukushi, who decided to recruit Shingo (during the production of Space Dandy) to direct it. An attempt was made to recruit a veteran character designer but he rejected the proposal, later the position was offered to Chikahi Kubota, who was not sure about accepting but was convinced by Fukushi. We're not going to deny that Madhouse as a studio has its relevance, since the internal talent was used so that the production didn't collapse, for example the famous case of having Yoshiaki Kawajiri as storyboarder for 4 episodes instead of 2 as planned, also the Madhouse sub-studio, MAD BOX, which allowed the animators to get involved at a deeper level in their sequences thanks to being in the Madhouse building There are several interviews in which the staff constantly mentions one thing: Fukushi made it possible for so many talented artists to participate in the project, among them Yutaka Nakamura, who didn't come into the production because of Shingo/Space Dandy, but because Fukushi managed to persuade him to participate by showing him all the effort of the staff in the first episodes. Later projects have shown that Fukushi has been the key, be it ACCA, Sonny Boy, Boogiepop wa Warawanai, Zetsubou Funsai Shoujo Amida, Sousou no Frieren and Takt op Destiny, all projects where Fukushi brought back his usual staff.
OPM season 1 was good not because it was Madhouse but rather because of the insane lineup of animators who worked on it through connections.... The only time that happened again was JJK season 2 shibuya arc i don't think we will be seeing that phenomenon again anytime soon
that kind of phenomena is gonna happen soon with multiple projects. Fate/Strage fake(same team that made sukuna vs jogo and mahoraga), Chainsaw man Reze(mappa's best team with the most stacked staff list in recent memory), and Yaiba(directed by mob psycho dir and legendary animator Yoshimichi Kameda's dream project, many freelancers have confirmed their participation).
Don't think fsf gonna reach it's potential cuz aniplex already showed its colous when they brute forced the ep 1 to air it on LA festival Yaiba has the potential but only time will tell @@FastCrySquire You should also specify that yaiba is getting directed by hasui (who only directed Season 3) cuz S1&2 were directed by Taichikawa
No, taht's a pretty popular take lol, whilst season 1 was more comedy based i know that season 2 has more character building and more plot progression so makes sence totally
@@miyukisakiko Glad to hear its a cold take then. I only watched both seasons recently so I havent heard more nuanced takes than "season 2 bad, dont watch"
If in terms of animation OPM S1 was a 10/10, we do get like five 9/10 shows every year. I'd say the "animation level" as a whole has definitely been lifted since. So yeah, we might not get the avengers assembled for show in today's time (though CSM movie is pretty close), I'd say the time constraints are the real bottleneck to great animation.
OPM S2 animation wasn’t even that bad, it’s actually pretty good compared to any other anime. The thing that made it look bad is because S1 animation was just TOO GOOD, which made the S2 looked VERY BAD.
Problem is the manga artwork is the best I've ever seen. Imo the animation for such an IP matters a lot. Btw I do like the s2 of one punch man but the upcoming arc DEMANDS good art direction and animation.
@ yea the manga art is insane, but we can’t really compare it to an anime because manga consists of dozens to hundreds of panels while anime consists thousands of frames. But yea I have a really high expectation for the S3, I hope it has at least the same quality production as S1, because if it’s lower than that, then S3 would be kind of ruined lol
If you can't see how they used moving stills A LOT rather than fully animating the fight scenes, then there's point. The art is good (which I believe you're confusing with animation) but the animation is bad bad.
@@RejectHumanityReturn2Monke I'm not confusing the "art" with "animation". There's a lot of good cuts in OPM S2 especially during crucial sequences, that's why I said NOT BAD, PRETTY GOOD. Compared to S1 it's obviously worse, but it's not bad. OPM S1 is on entirely different level, starting from the staff, animators, etc, they're producing it in highest quality possible. OPM S1 is easily the best among the other anime even up until now. Meanwhile JC Staff wasn't known as a "good" anime studio but they're actually trying their best for OPM S2 during that time and actually did better than few other studios. I'm not trying to glaze on OPM S2, but I can't close my eyes that there's a lot of good sakuga in S2 as well.
Have you seen the manga ? Anything below s1 animation is basically a kick to the gut for the source material. And it was pretty bad even for the standards of these times. Reused punching sound all season, blurry undefined strikes ( and its not because of the japan tv regulation, it was literally shit), too many still images used which you can notice on bang especially. Only the genos vs garou and saitama vs centichoro were properly animated. I was so disappointed with that season that I started reading its manga and man am i glad that I did it cause even s3 looks garbage from the teaser
There's 3 studio that could do similar or better: Pick Mappa if you want to torture their staff Another 2 is Toei (referencing on how good they make One Piece today) and Ufotable (excellent at dark fight scene, probably suitable for the next arc because a lot of the scene fights underground and also into the space)
Personally, I think OPM was at its best when it was still a satire/gag-like story poking fun at the neketsu tropes and overused narrative structures that plague the popular Jump series. But of course there is only so much you can tell by throwing monsters to an OP protagonist can kill them all with one hit by definition. The later Garou and Monster Association arcs are, to be honest, not all that fun: the author went for long story arc when it really doesn't fit OPM original concept. So even with the same animation quality, season 2 would still have been a downgrade overall.
Nah it'd be boring as hell. That's why ppl drop saiki kusuo, because of the repetitive. And why ppl like stay watching gintama, because there's actual story and narative. Not just gag-comedy.
@@habialtx3 Well, that why I said there is only so much you can tell by throwing monsters at Saitama. What I means is that OPM has for long overstayed it welcome. OPM concept was fun until it wasn't anymore more or less around the time of the Boros arc which is basically larger scale Sea King Monster mini-arc. At this point it was clear enough he was running out of things to tell with that concept and should have found a way to end the story here. The later arcs are just a drag to go through.
Garnt needs to react to the new chainsaw man movie trailer man, that looked diabolical. Finally a shonen anime movie that actually has "movie level" animation and it's not just a polished TV Anime episode where only action highlights shines. My hero movies, demon slayer mugen train and jjk 0 were incredible but they didn't have movie level animation. Movie level animation is when characters never stops moving even during talking scenes and have some amazing character acting animation like those Makoto shinkai and ghibli movies. Csm s1 also had that level of insane character acting and looks like movie will have too.
@@Mfzaher wait he did? Which stream? I didn't see in the last vod Edit - just checked. His last stream was 4 days ago. Trailer came out 2 days ago. So unless he removed the vid which I doubt, he hasn't reacted to it yet.
Saying that Demon Slayer Mugen Train doesn't have movie level animation is such an insult to Ufotable. We all know that Ufotable always go crazy with animations whenever they make series or movies and they are one of if not the best animation studio for anime related stuff.
@@Zerael252 did you not read my second paragraph? Like I said, movie level animation is when everything has amazing animation, not just fights. Even during talking scenes, the characters just don't stop moving. Makoto shinkai movie, ghibli movies, or any classic known anime movies like akira and ghost in the shell are perfect examples of that. Demon slayer mugen train was amazing, but it only showed the "movie level animation" during it's action parts. Just like it's tv anime. It was mostly static during it's non action scenes. No one is insulting Ufotable here, just bcoz you critisize something doesn't mean you are insulting someone. Mugen train is not even Ufotable's best movie, take any movie from heaven's feel trilogy and it far surpasses mugen train.
Honestly, in 2024, could MAPPA really pull it off? Because JJK S2 had a very similar all-star team and MAPPA's own production scheduling massively handicapped the team. Not even mentioning how many animators went off on social media directly to vent their frustrations (extremely uncommon within that industry) and how many bridged MAPPA burned with all that talent.
I don't really mind opm s2 animation in a vacuum but its annoying whenever people insist that they cant see a difference between s1 and s2. those people are either drowning in copium or need to see go see an eye doctor asap.
Studios could use a bigger budget, more animators on a bigger time budget, and produce a top tier 12 episode series similar to OPM S1. The production committees just seldom want to invest that much.
Studio Bones team B too can replicate OPM s1, they are passionate about the projects they take. And their animation quality is out of this world. Look at Mob Psycho 100 for instance it's soo god-tier.
I like Season 2 more, honestly The Saitama beats the villain in one punch bit got old by episode 6 Season 1 looked cool, but everything with Garou was vastly more interesting
When first watching OPM S2, I was confused as to why JC Staff would be the studio as all I'd seen from them at the time were their SoL-based shows and didn't think they were suited o an action show. But after seeing what they could do with the action scenes in Railgun and Index, I am more disappointed with how S2 turned out. They had the experience, and they could've done better. Let's hope they cook properly with S3.
The issue was with time. They clearly cared about OPM and poured whatever they could on the project. Because they use everything on OPM as a last ditched method to complete it in 6 months they had staff shortage and had to completely outsource their other show "high score girl" and make it a CGI anime. Now the production for s3 should have started earlier this year but again some rumours are saying that the production committee fucked with them again and it is again being made at a tight schedule. Hope that's not the case.
I love OPM whether or not the animation is good. Honestly I just get so sick of the heroes in anime getting their ass beat 90% of the time just to then pull out the win at the very end because of friendship, or because they believed in themselves at the last second. It's not tension building if you know they are going to win the whole time.
JC staff is always a hit or miss imo though 😅 It's not even the animation for me, it's their way of adapting the source. If they do OPM, will they animate the Manga one for one or are they skipping parts like they always do?
OPM season 1 was a lightning in a bottle. Even if the show remained with Madhouse, season 2 and beyond would be a much less impressive product. At best, it might have Frieren level of production value.
I dont see why other Studios dont resort to some of better Freelancers more often, I guess the Best Freelancers are likely booked? Bc thats an Easy way to insure some quality Animation of varying degrees and types, Even Toeis got some damn good Freelancers… Mentioned it years ago but Ufotable could certainly make OPM incredible but Id assume theyve got hands full atm, I also thought years ago Id heard Murata was getting involved in Anime Production n course we all know he started getting involved in Animation himself, I think you could get a successful Season out of even JC Staff with Murata n Freelance Animators on project, That said people set their expectations Way to high for Season 2, Imo had people not expected best case scenario Season 2 wouldve been just fine, Take S1 out of picture, S2 is say first n only Season of OPM its not bad, And Ik Ive heard lot of people say that themselves, S2 wasnt bad by any means it just wasnt nearly as good as S1 and I think lot of fans ran off with take that S2 was bad just bc it was As good as S1 which isnt case… Ive not only got full faith in JC Staff to deliver a Solid Season 3 but its been SO long that Id take S3 in crayon from bunch of kids, At some point the demand overrules the quality… If yall could choose right now would you choose to not get OPM S3 for lets say another 3 years if Ufotable or Mappa picked it up? Or would you take JC Staff here within next year? Its been 5+ years I think since S2? JC Staffs S2 wasnt bad enough for me to wait years more for someone else to do it better by some degree…
Most studios rely on freelancers aside from like Kyoani and Ufotable. S2 had many feelancers in addition to talented inhouse staff, the problem was the schedule was terrible. Also with the schedule being terrible most people wouldn't want to work on it unless their friends were there and the studio and director not having as many connections as Natsume just makes it less likely for talent to join. For example many of JJk S2's animators only participated in those terrible conditions because their friends needed help.
why Ufotable want to make OPM ? wat make u think it could work ? u ppl really think the studio will earn everything from the anime ??...... wow naive af some free-lancer dont think "that' project worth their time, some it not well paid, some really stupid ( like... dont want to join cuz they know no one in that project ).......etc long story short : MONEY u want stacked staffs ? u need money u want animators have more time ? u still need money, The longer it ( project ) takes the more money it will costs, unless u are top 3 big studio in japan with big budget and large staffs ( not even included free-lancer ) Wit back then gave animators almost "almost" unlimited dead-line and wat we got is high quality, but the down side is since there's no dead-line and project takes too long to make it burn Wit money alot but they earn not as much from the anime itself since they not own the IP ( studio only earn from blu-ray sales ), to some point Wit almost bankrupt with 886 Million Yen in Debt back in 2021, that's why they gave up Attack on Titan after season 3
@@imtrash2812 WIT did not give animators almost unlimited time, their shows had terrible production schedules with every season of AOT barely being able to get finished. Staff have said the studio is like a battlefield and what you see in the show is what's happening in the studio. CEO George Wada in an interview was talking about how they just finished a season of AOT and that staff were passed out and then the director of Ancient Magus Bride said he was going to whip them back to work when they got back. Wada also said the default lunch are energy bars, that they work all day and night but he still lets them sleep because otherwise they would die and that positive fan comments are the only reason staff aren't depressed. WIT absolutely had deadlines, insane deadlines at that. Since S2 they released 12 episodes every year. The show was not given adequate time and did not take too long and burn money. They were not working on the show for 4 years during the gap between S1 and 2.
I do not know what he means by "MAPPA could pulled it off by different reason," is it because MAPPA could do it because they would overworked their animators? He was right but not for that reason but because MAPPA have both of one the best anime producer and director within industry right now: Keisuke Seshimo (Jujutsu Kaisen and Chainsaw Man anime producer) and Shota Goshozono (Gosso) (Jujutsu Kaisen season two director) both of them have insane connection to top freelance animators.
never understood why they would make a massively successful anime and then change things up making by another season half as good. Like I get the studio was fully booked, but they should give priority to sequels of successful anime
Just as Garnt said in the video, even if they successfully give the project back to Madhouse, doesn't mean the quality will be the same as S1. The director himself said that he wanted to move on to other project (after OPM, he made Boogiepop). So no, it's not about the studio fully booked.
@ilhamadigunawan5264 I didn't know he didn't want to do another season, that's strange, why would everyone be excited to work on season 1 and then not want to do another, especially considering how successful it was
At that point how u know how successful it will be in next 10 years, successful ? sure but it's not matters shit when they not even own the IP, so the only in coming from that anime they earn is Blu-ray, ok just let pretend it alreadu massive "successful" back then, wat u based on too said that they dont want to make season 2 ? there's alot of studio refuse to make another season cuz the it's not worth since they earn not much from that IP ( ofc they not own the IP ) Unlike Mappa, Mappa most likely own IP of JJK CSM.....etc so even sales of blu-ray not doing good they still make alot of money from goods, event, collab.....etc At the end of the day it's still business and money dont grow out of tree also lowk that anime just one of many way to advertise for manga/novel to lure ppl to buy it, remember Attack On Titan ? back then Isayama want season 4 came out at the very end of story in manga so ppl will go to manga and increases the sales up, so it's make Mappa only have less than 8 months for part 1 of season 4 like wat Isayama wish
If you think he “knows”, then you also dont know this staff thing. I watch him since forever and this is the third staff name he ever mentioned after Yutaka Nakamura and Watanabe. Point is, he better spread more info about anime staff like how great he did with anime video essay.
I mean, even here, he isn't entirely correct. Fukushi was the one that brought in most of the major staff. Obviously, to say Natsume played no role in the final staff would be incorrect. But, the majority of the people came in because of Fukushi. I 100% agree with you, though. This is a step in the right direction regardless. Big content creators like Garnt moving away from crediting studios entirely for the visuals will definitely better discussions about the medium.
@@FTF65 for real he was so close for being 100% right because he did not bring Fukushi as anime producer. His comment about MAPPA that could replicate season one also was so close for being right because they could pull it off not because they overworked their animators like popular belief but Seshimo (Jujutsu Kaisen and Chainsaw Man producer) is one of the best aniP in the industry right now who has good connection to top talented freelancers.
Bro, i’ve lost interest in the show because of how long it takes to get a new season. 2015 OPM S1 drops and its awesome. 2019 OPM S2 drops and its forgettable. 20xx OPM S3 drops and potentially may be disappointing. The manga has finished the gaoro arc, and im expecting S3 to end with the completion of the gaoro arc.
It will not end with garou arc because it's impossible. If you would know how animation production works you wouldn't expect it. It would at most adapt only 35 chapters out of 80 and it would take another 12 episodes season and possibly a movie to finish the arc.
I think it's important to know that a lot of the connections in terms of animators were also thanks to the animation producer Yuuichiro Fukushi, which is important cuz he still very much is involved with Madhouse's most creative projects and another one of the reasons Frieren and Sonny Boy looked so good. Because Fukushi's team and connections are still around, it's not that it's impossible for a show like OPM S1 to exist again. It's just that said team didn't continue with OPM. As for why Fukushi and/or other people at Madhouse decided to continue adapting Frieren and not One Punch Man is beyond me (albeit I'm more of a fan of Frieren than OPM) but ultimately, it seems like Fukushi usually doesn't want to feel chained to one project and instead work on a plethora of one-and-done things at least until Frieren. Not to belittle Gigguk's clip cuz pointing out how good Shingo Natsume is as a director is better than saying "look at all the budget that went into this show!!!!" but I just figured it's worth adding. And I think honestly animation producers can give you a better picture of the quality to expect compared to the directors sometimes: Ninja Kamui has the same director as JJK season 1 but Ninja Kamui had nowhere near the amount of animation power, while Wonder Egg Priority, My Dress Up Darling, Bocchi the Rock and Elusive Samurai all have different directors but a lot of the same animators due to Shouta Umehara’s connections as an animation producer
If people are interested in how shows can get a dream team together, I recommend reading Sakugablog. They have good blog post on highlighting talent and how they came to be in certain projects.
About your question, production cometee wanted s2 in particular amount of time, so they found team that would make it in this time, nothing else mattered. Even with horribly small amount of time twam at JC Staff did crazy good job, i don't remember main animator sadly, but he did crazy huge amount of work by himself and best looking moments of s2 are thanks to him.
nah its cuz OPM didnt have enough materials for a season 2 as it used to release really slowly (now there is enough for like 3-4 season) and shingue natsumi i think (s1 director) actually wanted to do season 2 but JC didnt or couldnt wait for him to be free back then, tbf JC had a lot of problems when making S2 hell they had to make it in like 4-5 months and that is horrible
Can't wait for frieren El dorado arc getting animated. Let's pray It's gonna be peak
It's more or less the same team. It may lack some staff due to FSF and JJK s3 airing near it@@mdraj5655
It was the director AND the animation producer Yuuichirou Fukushi (frieren, sonny boy)
MAPPA's animation producer (aniP) Keisuke Seshimo is capable of making a season on par or even better than OPM S1, he has insane connections but always nerfed because of abysmal schedules. You'll see the amount of talent he will pull for CSM movie.
JJK S2 had the same quality of staff as OPM S1, CSM reze will be the same case.
The industry is not ready for a Seshimo project with a good schedule, it will move mountains.
If only Manabu didn't slide CSM on jjk's production cycle now both projects r suffering bcoz of it
@@userK894 A new AniP (Naotake Muraoka) will be added to JJK likely, and I hope it happens. Then Seshimo can mostly focus on CSM and superwise JJK.
For now, Lazarus has great schedule & insane staff. Matsunaga cooked too much on that project. I am very excited for it.
@@arthurmorgan251 yeh I saw about that too will surely reduce a lot of burden from seshimo's shoulder lol
Yeh just hoping the story is also good but it's Watanabe I have faith and prob matsunaga already moved to dorohedoro s2
what about Ufotable, Fate series and Demon Slayer have good fight scene tho.
Insane cope. Natsume is a different level of action director than anyone from seshimo line. JJK staff wasn't that good aside from Go ep.
Most of the talents are pulled by Directors like Gosso, Nakayama, Yoshihara. Seshimo is most overrated AniP of the industry
I don't think it's impossible for Madhouse. OPM S1 wasn't the only season they produced that was top-notch all throughout. Sonny Boy and Frieren? They even somehow pulled in Nakamura for Frieren. Shingo Natsume *is* the guy to hire though. Gotta get the guy who can get the other guys.
Wonder if he's seen the CSM movie trailer though. And the PSG trailer under Studio Trigger now. From Edgerunners, to Delicious in Dungeon, to Panty and Stocking. All this anime studio talk and Studio Trigger is in a corner just cooking like they always have.
I'm still surprised that a lot of animators work in freelance and aren't directly employed by the studios. It feels so different compared to how other creative industries work.
yeah it's weird, but it's probably got to do with it being cheaper for the studio
@@vianabdullah2837 it is because they have freedom to choose to work on any series that they like if they are freelancers compared to being an in-house you cannot have that freedom.
Different?? Most action shows do this, Chainsaw man, Jujutsu Kaisen, Attack on Titan (both MAPPA and WIT), Mob Psycho 100, Ranking of Kings etc
Hell, it doesn't even need to be action Frieren, Heavenly Delusions also have a lot of freelancers
There are few studios that go full in-house like Ufotable and Trigger
@@daboi8734 I do not know about ufotable but you are wrong with Trigger because Trigger also using freelancers like any other big studio. You should have mention Kyoto Animation instead of Trigger.
@@rizalisnantoUfotable also use freelancers, not as many as the other studios but still.
The Mushoku Tensei Season 1 situation sounds similar. Basically a director pulling in fantastic talent.
it was exactly that and why 2nd season wasnt the same as season 1
no intro music video is peak quality. every time i see stupid song and useless video at start of any show you know it's trash
@@treebush Again wrong. It wasn't just the director that pulled all the talent. It was also Toshiya Otomo, animation producer at Bind. He also made Onimai with a different director but most of the MT staff worked on it. MTs 2 didn't look great like s2 because it's schedule god butchered from Onimai being produced by the same team and heavy disagreements between the director and studio.
@@SimplyRohith-sv5hd it wasn't just. The school arc also didn't pull in the best animators either. The hope is season 3 being the biggest plot developments and action of the series thus far would pull in more talent. Also season 2 part 2 looked significantly better than S2 part 1
The whole myth created about One Punch Man is quite annoying, it was not a production miracle or something similar, it was the product of a lot of effort and the person responsible for it is the exclusive animation producer of Madhouse, Yuuichirou Fukushi:
Bandai offered the adaptation of OPM to Fukushi, who decided to recruit Shingo (during the production of Space Dandy) to direct it.
An attempt was made to recruit a veteran character designer but he rejected the proposal, later the position was offered to Chikahi Kubota, who was not sure about accepting but was convinced by Fukushi.
We're not going to deny that Madhouse as a studio has its relevance, since the internal talent was used so that the production didn't collapse, for example the famous case of having Yoshiaki Kawajiri as storyboarder for 4 episodes instead of 2 as planned, also the Madhouse sub-studio, MAD BOX, which allowed the animators to get involved at a deeper level in their sequences thanks to being in the Madhouse building
There are several interviews in which the staff constantly mentions one thing: Fukushi made it possible for so many talented artists to participate in the project, among them Yutaka Nakamura, who didn't come into the production because of Shingo/Space Dandy, but because Fukushi managed to persuade him to participate by showing him all the effort of the staff in the first episodes.
Later projects have shown that Fukushi has been the key, be it ACCA, Sonny Boy, Boogiepop wa Warawanai, Zetsubou Funsai Shoujo Amida, Sousou no Frieren and Takt op Destiny, all projects where Fukushi brought back his usual staff.
what a good comment, i'm also tired of this narrative of opm ss1 being a once in a 1000 years occurence
OPM season 1 was good not because it was Madhouse but rather because of the insane lineup of animators who worked on it through connections.... The only time that happened again was JJK season 2 shibuya arc i don't think we will be seeing that phenomenon again anytime soon
that kind of phenomena is gonna happen soon with multiple projects. Fate/Strage fake(same team that made sukuna vs jogo and mahoraga), Chainsaw man Reze(mappa's best team with the most stacked staff list in recent memory), and Yaiba(directed by mob psycho dir and legendary animator Yoshimichi Kameda's dream project, many freelancers have confirmed their participation).
Don't think fsf gonna reach it's potential cuz aniplex already showed its colous when they brute forced the ep 1 to air it on LA festival
Yaiba has the potential but only time will tell @@FastCrySquire
You should also specify that yaiba is getting directed by hasui (who only directed Season 3) cuz S1&2 were directed by Taichikawa
that already happened and IS happening, noone just informs it publicly. funniest one i can think of it happening was oshimai.
does the technique involve never see the sunlight
Shoutout to yuuichirou fukushi the animation producer who pulled in a lot of talent on both OPM S1 and recently Sousou no Frieren S1.
Hot take(?): OPM season 2 was worse in animation but the story was better in every way so I still enjoyed it more than season 1
nope not a hot take at all its a lot like a cold take
No, taht's a pretty popular take lol, whilst season 1 was more comedy based i know that season 2 has more character building and more plot progression so makes sence totally
Make sense cause it cover ther part where the manga start to focused a lots more about character development
I think it's more about the source material rather than the studio so yeah it definitely has more story to offer rather than the first season
@@miyukisakiko Glad to hear its a cold take then. I only watched both seasons recently so I havent heard more nuanced takes than "season 2 bad, dont watch"
If in terms of animation OPM S1 was a 10/10, we do get like five 9/10 shows every year. I'd say the "animation level" as a whole has definitely been lifted since. So yeah, we might not get the avengers assembled for show in today's time (though CSM movie is pretty close), I'd say the time constraints are the real bottleneck to great animation.
OPM S2 animation wasn’t even that bad, it’s actually pretty good compared to any other anime. The thing that made it look bad is because S1 animation was just TOO GOOD, which made the S2 looked VERY BAD.
Problem is the manga artwork is the best I've ever seen. Imo the animation for such an IP matters a lot. Btw I do like the s2 of one punch man but the upcoming arc DEMANDS good art direction and animation.
@ yea the manga art is insane, but we can’t really compare it to an anime because manga consists of dozens to hundreds of panels while anime consists thousands of frames. But yea I have a really high expectation for the S3, I hope it has at least the same quality production as S1, because if it’s lower than that, then S3 would be kind of ruined lol
If you can't see how they used moving stills A LOT rather than fully animating the fight scenes, then there's point. The art is good (which I believe you're confusing with animation) but the animation is bad bad.
@@RejectHumanityReturn2Monke I'm not confusing the "art" with "animation". There's a lot of good cuts in OPM S2 especially during crucial sequences, that's why I said NOT BAD, PRETTY GOOD. Compared to S1 it's obviously worse, but it's not bad. OPM S1 is on entirely different level, starting from the staff, animators, etc, they're producing it in highest quality possible. OPM S1 is easily the best among the other anime even up until now. Meanwhile JC Staff wasn't known as a "good" anime studio but they're actually trying their best for OPM S2 during that time and actually did better than few other studios. I'm not trying to glaze on OPM S2, but I can't close my eyes that there's a lot of good sakuga in S2 as well.
Have you seen the manga ? Anything below s1 animation is basically a kick to the gut for the source material. And it was pretty bad even for the standards of these times. Reused punching sound all season, blurry undefined strikes ( and its not because of the japan tv regulation, it was literally shit), too many still images used which you can notice on bang especially. Only the genos vs garou and saitama vs centichoro were properly animated. I was so disappointed with that season that I started reading its manga and man am i glad that I did it cause even s3 looks garbage from the teaser
There's 3 studio that could do similar or better:
Pick Mappa if you want to torture their staff
Another 2 is Toei (referencing on how good they make One Piece today) and Ufotable (excellent at dark fight scene, probably suitable for the next arc because a lot of the scene fights underground and also into the space)
Guys, check out that original song I made for (god) in OPM, posted on my channel. Very unique I would say! 🤔
One punch man season 3 is the most anticipated anime in mal and is the most anticipated anime in general I think
And it is a recipe for disappointment,the hype is all the way up and JCStaff has never produced anything that could match half of those expectations
Oh and it's gonna be the biggest disappointment if its animation is still s2 level. Judging by the teaser it doesn't look good lol
@@adrenolife1460 wtf that was not a teaser mate, it was just an announcement video and it was preanimated and u judged it by just that?
Personally, I think OPM was at its best when it was still a satire/gag-like story poking fun at the neketsu tropes and overused narrative structures that plague the popular Jump series. But of course there is only so much you can tell by throwing monsters to an OP protagonist can kill them all with one hit by definition. The later Garou and Monster Association arcs are, to be honest, not all that fun: the author went for long story arc when it really doesn't fit OPM original concept. So even with the same animation quality, season 2 would still have been a downgrade overall.
Nah it'd be boring as hell.
That's why ppl drop saiki kusuo, because of the repetitive. And why ppl like stay watching gintama, because there's actual story and narative. Not just gag-comedy.
@@habialtx3 Well, that why I said there is only so much you can tell by throwing monsters at Saitama. What I means is that OPM has for long overstayed it welcome.
OPM concept was fun until it wasn't anymore more or less around the time of the Boros arc which is basically larger scale Sea King Monster mini-arc. At this point it was clear enough he was running out of things to tell with that concept and should have found a way to end the story here.
The later arcs are just a drag to go through.
@@nobrainnogame4320i can't disagree cause there's no good or bad opinion, but it's an opinion all right
@@habialtx3 in what way is saiki repetitive what the fuck
One pieces wano arc has already achieved this along with jjk season 2
Garnt needs to react to the new chainsaw man movie trailer man, that looked diabolical. Finally a shonen anime movie that actually has "movie level" animation and it's not just a polished TV Anime episode where only action highlights shines.
My hero movies, demon slayer mugen train and jjk 0 were incredible but they didn't have movie level animation. Movie level animation is when characters never stops moving even during talking scenes and have some amazing character acting animation like those Makoto shinkai and ghibli movies. Csm s1 also had that level of insane character acting and looks like movie will have too.
he did look at it
@@Mfzaher wait he did? Which stream? I didn't see in the last vod
Edit - just checked. His last stream was 4 days ago. Trailer came out 2 days ago. So unless he removed the vid which I doubt, he hasn't reacted to it yet.
@@Mfzaher where
Saying that Demon Slayer Mugen Train doesn't have movie level animation is such an insult to Ufotable. We all know that Ufotable always go crazy with animations whenever they make series or movies and they are one of if not the best animation studio for anime related stuff.
@@Zerael252 did you not read my second paragraph? Like I said, movie level animation is when everything has amazing animation, not just fights. Even during talking scenes, the characters just don't stop moving. Makoto shinkai movie, ghibli movies, or any classic known anime movies like akira and ghost in the shell are perfect examples of that.
Demon slayer mugen train was amazing, but it only showed the "movie level animation" during it's action parts. Just like it's tv anime. It was mostly static during it's non action scenes.
No one is insulting Ufotable here, just bcoz you critisize something doesn't mean you are insulting someone. Mugen train is not even Ufotable's best movie, take any movie from heaven's feel trilogy and it far surpasses mugen train.
Honestly, in 2024, could MAPPA really pull it off? Because JJK S2 had a very similar all-star team and MAPPA's own production scheduling massively handicapped the team. Not even mentioning how many animators went off on social media directly to vent their frustrations (extremely uncommon within that industry) and how many bridged MAPPA burned with all that talent.
I don't really mind opm s2 animation in a vacuum but its annoying whenever people insist that they cant see a difference between s1 and s2. those people are either drowning in copium or need to see go see an eye doctor asap.
There’s nothing to cope about…
@@Roobin-tf7ls suuure..
Studios could use a bigger budget, more animators on a bigger time budget, and produce a top tier 12 episode series similar to OPM S1. The production committees just seldom want to invest that much.
REALLY Hoping that S3 could deliver at least 50-75% of S1 quality
Studio Bones team B too can replicate OPM s1, they are passionate about the projects they take. And their animation quality is out of this world. Look at Mob Psycho 100 for instance it's soo god-tier.
"There wouldn't be another opm season 1". I mean there's literally productions on the same level if not better. Ike frieren
They just need to employ the sure kill technique, the unlimited overtime.
People saying S2 animation is good don't know the difference between art design and animation.
Good art being used as moving stills is bad animation.
😮😮😮😮 "Its the people working behind the show not the souless corporation" You don't say man Damm eye opener.
I like Season 2 more, honestly
The Saitama beats the villain in one punch bit got old by episode 6
Season 1 looked cool, but everything with Garou was vastly more interesting
if u like ss2 then good for u but u dont speak for the number itself, at the end of the day it's still business and money dont grow out of tree
When first watching OPM S2, I was confused as to why JC Staff would be the studio as all I'd seen from them at the time were their SoL-based shows and didn't think they were suited o an action show. But after seeing what they could do with the action scenes in Railgun and Index, I am more disappointed with how S2 turned out. They had the experience, and they could've done better. Let's hope they cook properly with S3.
JC also cooked with danmachi and the konosuba movie
The issue was with time. They clearly cared about OPM and poured whatever they could on the project. Because they use everything on OPM as a last ditched method to complete it in 6 months they had staff shortage and had to completely outsource their other show "high score girl" and make it a CGI anime.
Now the production for s3 should have started earlier this year but again some rumours are saying that the production committee fucked with them again and it is again being made at a tight schedule. Hope that's not the case.
OPM S2 was robbed from its potential for sure
I love OPM whether or not the animation is good.
Honestly I just get so sick of the heroes in anime getting their ass beat 90% of the time just to then pull out the win at the very end because of friendship, or because they believed in themselves at the last second. It's not tension building if you know they are going to win the whole time.
JC staff is always a hit or miss imo though 😅
It's not even the animation for me, it's their way of adapting the source. If they do OPM, will they animate the Manga one for one or are they skipping parts like they always do?
OPM season 1 was a lightning in a bottle. Even if the show remained with Madhouse, season 2 and beyond would be a much less impressive product. At best, it might have Frieren level of production value.
I dont see why other Studios dont resort to some of better Freelancers more often, I guess the Best Freelancers are likely booked? Bc thats an Easy way to insure some quality Animation of varying degrees and types, Even Toeis got some damn good Freelancers…
Mentioned it years ago but Ufotable could certainly make OPM incredible but Id assume theyve got hands full atm, I also thought years ago Id heard Murata was getting involved in Anime Production n course we all know he started getting involved in Animation himself, I think you could get a successful Season out of even JC Staff with Murata n Freelance Animators on project, That said people set their expectations Way to high for Season 2, Imo had people not expected best case scenario Season 2 wouldve been just fine, Take S1 out of picture, S2 is say first n only Season of OPM its not bad, And Ik Ive heard lot of people say that themselves, S2 wasnt bad by any means it just wasnt nearly as good as S1 and I think lot of fans ran off with take that S2 was bad just bc it was As good as S1 which isnt case…
Ive not only got full faith in JC Staff to deliver a Solid Season 3 but its been SO long that Id take S3 in crayon from bunch of kids, At some point the demand overrules the quality…
If yall could choose right now would you choose to not get OPM S3 for lets say another 3 years if Ufotable or Mappa picked it up? Or would you take JC Staff here within next year? Its been 5+ years I think since S2? JC Staffs S2 wasnt bad enough for me to wait years more for someone else to do it better by some degree…
Most studios rely on freelancers aside from like Kyoani and Ufotable. S2 had many feelancers in addition to talented inhouse staff, the problem was the schedule was terrible. Also with the schedule being terrible most people wouldn't want to work on it unless their friends were there and the studio and director not having as many connections as Natsume just makes it less likely for talent to join. For example many of JJk S2's animators only participated in those terrible conditions because their friends needed help.
why Ufotable want to make OPM ? wat make u think it could work ? u ppl really think the studio will earn everything from the anime ??...... wow naive af
some free-lancer dont think "that' project worth their time, some it not well paid, some really stupid ( like... dont want to join cuz they know no one in that project ).......etc
long story short : MONEY
u want stacked staffs ? u need money
u want animators have more time ? u still need money, The longer it ( project ) takes the more money it will costs, unless u are top 3 big studio in japan with big budget and large staffs ( not even included free-lancer )
Wit back then gave animators almost "almost" unlimited dead-line and wat we got is high quality, but the down side is since there's no dead-line and project takes too long to make it burn Wit money alot but they earn not as much from the anime itself since they not own the IP ( studio only earn from blu-ray sales ), to some point Wit almost bankrupt with 886 Million Yen in Debt back in 2021, that's why they gave up Attack on Titan after season 3
@@imtrash2812 WIT did not give animators almost unlimited time, their shows had terrible production schedules with every season of AOT barely being able to get finished. Staff have said the studio is like a battlefield and what you see in the show is what's happening in the studio. CEO George Wada in an interview was talking about how they just finished a season of AOT and that staff were passed out and then the director of Ancient Magus Bride said he was going to whip them back to work when they got back. Wada also said the default lunch are energy bars, that they work all day and night but he still lets them sleep because otherwise they would die and that positive fan comments are the only reason staff aren't depressed.
WIT absolutely had deadlines, insane deadlines at that. Since S2 they released 12 episodes every year. The show was not given adequate time and did not take too long and burn money. They were not working on the show for 4 years during the gap between S1 and 2.
S1 10/10, watched multiple times
S2 6/10, i dont even remember if i watched all episodes.
s1>s2 in animation s2>s1 in everything other than animation
I do not know what he means by "MAPPA could pulled it off by different reason," is it because MAPPA could do it because they would overworked their animators? He was right but not for that reason but because MAPPA have both of one the best anime producer and director within industry right now: Keisuke Seshimo (Jujutsu Kaisen and Chainsaw Man anime producer) and Shota Goshozono (Gosso) (Jujutsu Kaisen season two director) both of them have insane connection to top freelance animators.
Good thing this content cop is all over this comment section. Judging....endlessly judging.
A true youtube hero.
One punc man>>>ds,jjk,one piece
never understood why they would make a massively successful anime and then change things up making by another season half as good. Like I get the studio was fully booked, but they should give priority to sequels of successful anime
Just as Garnt said in the video, even if they successfully give the project back to Madhouse, doesn't mean the quality will be the same as S1.
The director himself said that he wanted to move on to other project (after OPM, he made Boogiepop). So no, it's not about the studio fully booked.
@ilhamadigunawan5264 I didn't know he didn't want to do another season, that's strange, why would everyone be excited to work on season 1 and then not want to do another, especially considering how successful it was
At that point how u know how successful it will be in next 10 years, successful ? sure but it's not matters shit when they not even own the IP, so the only in coming from that anime they earn is Blu-ray, ok just let pretend it alreadu massive "successful" back then, wat u based on too said that they dont want to make season 2 ? there's alot of studio refuse to make another season cuz the it's not worth since they earn not much from that IP ( ofc they not own the IP )
Unlike Mappa, Mappa most likely own IP of JJK CSM.....etc so even sales of blu-ray not doing good they still make alot of money from goods, event, collab.....etc
At the end of the day it's still business and money dont grow out of tree also lowk that anime just one of many way to advertise for manga/novel to lure ppl to buy it, remember Attack On Titan ? back then Isayama want season 4 came out at the very end of story in manga so ppl will go to manga and increases the sales up, so it's make Mappa only have less than 8 months for part 1 of season 4 like wat Isayama wish
@@imtrash2812 yeah idk, I guess I assumed the revenue would be distributed fairly and be a motivation as well but that probably isn't the case
lol, season 2 is my favorite season. what are these people talking about? the animation doesnt matter that much.
season 2 is not as bad as people make it look like
It took the biggest anituber on youtube 17 yrs to learn about anime staff. A step in a right direction at least
He always knows about anime staff weirdo.
If you think he “knows”, then you also dont know this staff thing. I watch him since forever and this is the third staff name he ever mentioned after Yutaka Nakamura and Watanabe.
Point is, he better spread more info about anime staff like how great he did with anime video essay.
@@NineTnku don't watch a lot of his streams I guess he mentions directors and free lance animators all the time
I mean, even here, he isn't entirely correct. Fukushi was the one that brought in most of the major staff. Obviously, to say Natsume played no role in the final staff would be incorrect. But, the majority of the people came in because of Fukushi.
I 100% agree with you, though. This is a step in the right direction regardless. Big content creators like Garnt moving away from crediting studios entirely for the visuals will definitely better discussions about the medium.
@@FTF65 for real he was so close for being 100% right because he did not bring Fukushi as anime producer.
His comment about MAPPA that could replicate season one also was so close for being right because they could pull it off not because they overworked their animators like popular belief but Seshimo (Jujutsu Kaisen and Chainsaw Man producer) is one of the best aniP in the industry right now who has good connection to top talented freelancers.
Bro, i’ve lost interest in the show because of how long it takes to get a new season.
2015 OPM S1 drops and its awesome.
2019 OPM S2 drops and its forgettable.
20xx OPM S3 drops and potentially may be disappointing.
The manga has finished the gaoro arc, and im expecting S3 to end with the completion of the gaoro arc.
It's confirmed that it will release in 2025
It will not end with garou arc because it's impossible. If you would know how animation production works you wouldn't expect it.
It would at most adapt only 35 chapters out of 80 and it would take another 12 episodes season and possibly a movie to finish the arc.