honestly i dont think its that far fetched wayne is my fav rapper so maybe im a bit biased but i think it can be either way honestly they both some of the most influential rappers of all time they both have classics lil wayne has the best mixtape catalog of all time wayne made drake and nicki honestlu im taking wayne but that’s just me
@@coleintheville117 yes they have to put the most popular rappers, Andre 3k is much more popular than a lot of rappers on this bracket is my point & i know thye dont think hes bad bc they literally mentioned how much they respect him be4, thye just forgot about him which is kinda disrespectful considering how huge he is. Hes been a huge influence too, on modern atrist such as travis scott & he was eve featured on Birds In The Trap Sing Mcnight.
I would love to see this bracket done again without the 90's rappers. Just 2000's and on. The reason is because, like you all said in the video, "it doesn't feel right placing Biggie over Kendrick." So, I would suggest not including Biggie, 2 Pac, etc.
@@Lafffyy that’s a good shout bro I’ll say yeh cause em n nas started in the 90s and are still gling strong now so yeh I’ll count them but yeh good point
When NFR does brackets and rankings like this I think it would be interesting and informative for them to run down their criteria briefly in the beginning. To get an insight into how various traits (popularity, influence, enjoyability, technical acumen, consistency) are weighted would help contextualize some of these weird picks. I think it might help them be more internally consistent too lol
I know it’s hard but bracket construction could have been better. There should have been a sub genre in each fourth of the bracket. Or you could have extended this series with each bracket being one genre
14:58 The argument that Kanye doesn't have mixtapes is just absurd. The odds at stake for an album being successful versus a mixtape being successful are substantially different. A failed mixtape doesn't harm an artist's reputation as much as a failed album , and the fact that Kanye's work has been well received by fans for almost two decades now. Can't think of an artist more relevant than Kanye.
I think that when Kendrick retires he will be the undisputed goat. We only dont see him as that because he is still going and still improving, but he already has a top 3 discography
Top 1 discography, I don't see how it's debatable, GKMC, TPAB, DAMN, MM&TBS, each one a masterpiece, and a valid pick for the best rap album ever, won rap's first Pulitzer with DAMN, has the most well executed concepts in rap, the best writer in rap in terms of literary value and poetic artistry.
@@coleintheville117 i agree but kanye is still better imo, thats just cause he released more. 1 or 2 more albums and kendrick will overtake him for sure
@@senjayt I'd say Ye is the only other valid pick, both are legendary but it depends if you prefer artistic expression through the sounds or through the lyrics.
I think a lot of this depends when you started listening to hip hop. I started in 89, Jay-Z and Biggie is such a difficult conversation. Pop hip hop and not having LL Cool J , Ice Cube or Andre 3000 even on the bracket seems strange to me.
I think it's close, they both came up in the game as friends and both had an original style in trap that was exciting af. There's a reason they have so many songs togheter, they knew each other well and they knew each other's style so it worked fantastic every time they collabed. And Thug has a decent discography, Jeffery and Barter 6 are some of the best trap mixtapes. But yeah, it's Travis for me. DBR, Rodeo and Astroworld are just way too good.
I can't believe you talked so much about Snoop Dogg lmao, He's a nobody as a rapper compared to Biggie. What longevity? what flow? he has the most straight forward flow that hasn't changed throughout the years, he didn't even experiment with his flow at all. His albums are good at best, except of Doggystyle, only one classic. Snoop has no chance with good amount of rappers on that list, nevermind Biggie.
@@nathangittens9272 lol what? i like snoop, but i was very surprised when they didn't instantly say biggie lmao, you don't have to be a hater to acknowledge facts
@@nathangittens9272 what hater? U must not know hip-hop if you think snoop stands any chance against Biggie. Snoop has one of the poorest catalog out of everyone in that bracket.
@@badmeetsevil6163 You must not really know hip hop snoop has probably more hits then Biggie Only Cause The Longevity Is Different but u got Gin & Juice , The Next Episode , Who Am I , Young Wild And Free Drop It Like It’s Hot To Just Name A Few You Must Be Just Logically Retarted If You Think Snoop Isn’t One Of The Goats Of Hip Hop
@@zjthatyoungan the fact that you brought up “hits” just shows that you don’t know hip-hop, because hip-hop ain’t about “hits” but actual quality music. Tell me how many “hits” does Illmatic have? Commercial success does not equal quality. Snoop has over 20+ albums and a good majority of them are either mid or trash and Dre’s production carried Doggystyle. His lyrics and flow are basic as hell. Hell, if you wanna talk about “hits”, I’d even go as far as to say none of Snoop’s hits are better than Juicy or Sky’s the Limit.
I lost my respect for Anthony after him taking Wayne over Kanye (the guy who mbdtf, college dropout , graduation , late registration, the life of Pablo) . You just disrespected one of the greatest artists of all time , not just in rap but music itself
I do dig the bracket idea 💡 though you guys should do this for albums different genres and more content it’s very intriguing keep up the work guys!! I support
How does anyone have Biggie over Kendrick? Biggie was around for only a few years while Kendrick has been putting out perfect classic albums for over 10 years
We are at a point now where it really doesn’t matter how long a rapper has been here for. Biggie has the classics, the flow, the coolness, the lyricism side aswell is really good from Biggie. He’s one of the ones that started this aswell remember. Give it 10-20 years more and I think Kendrick will be in that conversation more definitely
It’s the “safe” pick. I’d have Kendrick over Biggie because he’s basically put 2 albums that can be considered greatest of all time while remaining relevant under the radar. The only that really hurts Kendrick is influence.
Eminem not making it to the finals at least is ridiculous lmao, dude is the most relevant artist from the 90s dominating in the streaming era while being the most sold artist this century. He’s literally the most popular artist since MJ
Exactly This is unfair Nas has only one style man with different flows Eminem has plethora of different styles with different flows and skill wise much much bigger than nas any day And in COMMERCIAL SUCCESS Eminem leads by a wide margin
Sometimes it’s hard to choose someone that you listen to more over someone that everyone regards as “the greats”. There’s a difference between objective greatness and your personal preference but it rides a thin line
As a rapper, I agree to move X past Post Malone, but I would never say that he is a more versatile artist. Post Malone dabbles in rap, pop, country, grunge rock, and metal. He's also a serviceable guitar player. Would give Post the nod as far as versatility.
@@prodbyapolloeast lmao X is not more versatile than Post. I like X way more than Post. But when we’re talking abt versatility, u don’t hear X singing as much as post & u definitely don’t hear X in more genres than post Malone. It ain’t even close when talkin abt versatility between genres n makin music
@@KJ-xw6cy you have never listened to “?” with a statement like that 😂😂😂 X tackled more genres on that one album than post malone has in his whole career. Post only does rap,pop & country.
Great video guys! I probably would have Jay as the champions too, although I would've made some different choices, like Kanye over Wayne(and I also think Ye could've given Biggie a harder time than Weezy on the bracket if it came down to a comparison like that) and Travis over Young Thug too. Also, I just wanted to say: since you put many female hip hop artists in the bracket, I feel like putting someone like Lauryn Hill would've felt more right than to have someone like Post Malone or Cardi B, despite me liking both of them. Love the consistent uploading, your videos are very entertaining!
I think this is a great video and I love the ideas, but I can't let you get away with that Wayne over Kanye or Travis over thugger. I would say the second one can definitely be debated, but c'mon it is Kanye. A rare number of artists can match Kanye's consistency and greatness in producing, rapping, singing, whatever. I like this idea tho and keep up the goat work 🔥
Eminem was the most listened to artist it June btw. This is a 49 year old guy that hasn't released an album in 2 years and he's still relevant til this day, while Drake, who is arguably the biggest artist in the world right now released an album in June as well and yet Em is number 1. I respect Nas for what he's done for HipHop but for me there's no rapper that touches Eminem Edit: he's the most streamed artist in RUclips sorry for not clearing that up sooner
@@bobbykeene736 old Eminem was amazing, mmlp, Eminem show, relapse, and even recovery showed how he was an amazing artist, but new Eminem is so bad. Not mid just bad. He has nothing to prove anymore so I wish he had just retired after mmlp2 and he would be solidified as a top 10 for me, but bro fell off hard. Nas destroys new Eminem, but old Eminem and Nas could be a debate
Why? I fw with Eminem but That argument is so tongue and Cheek, Yes Eminem is the biggest rapper of all time, but in terms of storytelling, Delivery, and Lyrics Nas has him beat imo, if you disagree that’s fine but telling me his commercial success is the reason why is such a Bad argument.
First of all that's wrong Drake, Bad Bunny and a bunch of there artists got more streams than Eminem in June. Second of all you need to understand how influential Nas is, he is literally the blueprint.
How is the Wayne over Ye take so controversial. It’s a rappers list and Weezy is levels clear as a rapper and writes all of his own shit. Ye has so many classics and a discography that is up there with the best but Tha Carters, The mixtapes (e.g. The Dedication series), the feature runs are not to be forgotten though. Ye has had a great impact but so has Weezy and Drake, Nicki etc. wouldn’t be anywhere without Wayne. Ye has production over him as Ye is a genius but in the same way Ye is a genius on the production and beats, Weezy is a genius with lyrics. Edit: Weezy is your favourite rappers, favourite rapper too
2psc vs Nas had me excited ngl. The fact that they are both in the big 3 with biggie in the big 3 aswell from the 90’s is also nice aswell. 2 of the best rappers ever going at it.
@@adadsdwadawsda9076 hes not relevant anymore lol and also longetivity helps toward becoming a "goat" nas was only relevant for 2 years where he was rlly good, eminem also has been dropping in quality, tdoss was his best album since recovery. jay z i can see being a goat since hes consistent and better than a lot of rappers. if 2pac or biggie were still alive, they would be da goats
@@glidn.27 why are u so confident about it lol? Eminem had 3 very good albums at start, biggie and tupac both had couple of great albums that for me at the same level with Eminem's albums. So why do u think they wont fall too? Cuz they died? About Nas, he still drops really good albums such as KD 2,3 and magic and he's still top tier rapped compared to others so its stupid that u say he was relevant only for couple of years even tho he had great albums after it was written, for example Stillmatic.
@@DiscardatRandom future has way more classics than tyler. Shows youve listened to no future cause anybody who has listened to both would rate future higher. Top trap artist oat
I'd like to see you guys do a more competitive rendition of this, greats only. so when we're matching these artists up, its tough, but its not something too egregious; i can't see Cole lose in the first. Mac Miller being debated against Jay-Z. Kanye losing to Wayne in the 2nd round. i just got to "its not an all-time bracket", i would Love to see that *32 Suggestions:* Lil' Wayne - 2Pac - Biggie Smalls - Jay-Z - Kendrick Lamar - Snoop Dogg Rakim - Tribe Called Quest - Nas - 50 Cent - Nicki Minaj - J. Cole LL Cool J - Ice Cube - Future - Young Thug - Wu Tang - Lauryn Hill - Canibus Kanye West - Eminem - DMX - MF Doom - Big L - Slick Rick - Outkast Common - NWA - Drake - Scarface - Joyner Lucas - KRS One ****23 Honorable Mentions**** (55 Total) Immortal Technique - Mobb Deep - Tech N9NE - Chance the Rapper - NBA Youngboy - The Fugees - Ice T - The Beastie Boys - Mos Def - Big Pun - Rick Ross - Lil Baby - Tyler, the Creator - Run DMC - Lupe Fiasco - The Lox - Ab-Soul - Mac Miller - Kid Cudi - TI - Busta Rhymes - AZ - Talib Kweli
@@DGEL03 i think he's worth mentioning simply off the fact that even in this new era of mainstream music he's still finding ways and reasons to be creative. i diont mind him being replaced, just a nod to him
@@beastcubing189 😂😂😂🤣🤣😂😂 OMG U DWEEBS Ds2 is better than all of Tyler albums combined and I love Tyler more than most . Culture impact matters and HITSSS…. SMASHES matter .
I’m sorry but the Nicki vs juice round wasn’t even a debate. I love juice and appreicate his impact on the game. But Nicki is a legend and has an impact of over 10+ years. And arguably one of the most impactful women rapper and rappers period. Cmon y’all 😂😂it’s not close
yeah i agree ye>wayne but it’s not wild, wayne’s influence and classics are huge and while kanye wins that imo, still a closer call than some people say
Wayne over Kanye might be the worst decision in any bracket ever made. Kanye literally has 7-8 CLASSICS in his discography, that alone should tell u why he's the best to ever do it
Wayne is 10x a better rapper than kanye and he is more influential, kanye is amazing and hes one of my all time favorites like i said but personally wayne is better
Great video guys! I didn't agree with EVERYTHING that was decided but this type of video really encourages us to think on which criteria to use and the weight each criteria contributes to overall greatness. When we do compare rappers that's when the criteria needs to have the correct balance between being objective and subjective (especially when comparing rappers who have decades between their careers). I believe the criteria should be dominated by objective reasoning than subjective reasoning ESPECIALLY WHEN RAPPERS OF DIFFERENT DECADES ARE BEING COMPARED (btw I can't let go of the biggie over Kendrick match-up) because that's when different generations of listeners start to disagree more than actually agree. Hope this help with the greatest rappers of all time video!
1. No way Halloween is more popular than Stephen King’s It in any sense. 2. No way Zelda: Ocarina of Time is more popular than The Witcher in any sense. 3. No way The Shining is more popular than Harry Potter: And The Philosopher’s Stone in any sense. 4. No way Rakim is more popular than Cardi B in any sense. Moral of the story, when you delve into a field with actual knowledge of the art you know which is better by a set criteria regardless of popularity amongst casuals. You know…kind’ve like how we know Nas’ Illmatic is the consensus number 1 rap album of all-time and retired in the library of Congress when it’s only double platinum.
can you do just a mainstream rapper bracket, because although I did watch the video, it’s very obvious who’s going to win, like you have dababy and Eminem, in the same bracket so it’s just kind of obvious, so I recommend a just mainstream rapper bracket, with all that love the content another great video!
Right ? He was on his way but never hit the mark. Nicki is influential for the Cardi B’s, Doja Cats, Megan The Stallion. And Pink Friday is a classic to a lot of people.
juice would've been on a level with travis if he would be alive. He was evolving just at the end of drfl era and wanted to put out outsiders which should touch a sound he never touches before. This project could insist a whole new genre (heroine music). The influence he already made would increase automatically
J. Cole is my favorite artist and fav rapper, if I had to pick the greatest of all time I would genuinely have to say Kendrick Edit: you should do one of these but in todays generation, I feel like kendrick, mac, Cudi would have All gone farther if it weren’t for like 2pac, biggie, nas, yk? So that would be cool 🙏
@@simeonstan5843 on what? I relate to j coles songs the most and I really just like him as a person, I feel more connected through his songs, but with kendrick I know the majority of people feel connected through him
Respectfully, I need rapper discography to matter more in these conversations. I wish we upheld artists like Kanye and Kendrick more. Their runs are incredible. Even Drake's catalogue is underappreciated when considering hit records. Artists like Doja Cat & Jack Harlow are too fresh to be on a list like this. Artists like Lil Uzi Vert, Cudi and Post Malone don't quite fit the rapper label either. I would have rather seen Andre 3K, Meek Mill, Wale, Pusha T and Big Sean be considered.
I feel like a Era based list would be a dope idea as well...like 2010s artists and 2000s artists ..and 90s artists ....like of course juice isn't gonna beat jay z but In actual real life juicewrld can make a better actual song than jay z in terms of melody and emotions..but jay z is a goat of course but I feel like ppl listen to music for different reasons.... Like a uzi fan wants to turn up and he makes legendary turn up music that i feel like no one can do like him... While a 2pac fan wants storytelling and legendary poetry... Emo rappers bracket Gangster rappers bracket Lyrical rappers bracket Vibe rappers bracket....(etc)
21 vs Pop Smoke, goddamn. 🤦🏽♂️ I love both of these artists, mannn but ima have to go with 21. FAITH aside, from MTW to SFTS, Pop’s run was flawless. If he was still alive and making music, I would’ve definitely chosen him over 21 but 21 has just gotten better and better over time.
Wayne over Kanye is almost more outrageous than Cardi B winning the Grammy smh
Thats what im saying
That’s harsh😭
@@NFRPodcast they’re not wrong
@@NFRPodcast I usually agree with you’re takes but that one just wasn’t it lol
Fr, felt like he was just trying to be a contrarian
very interesting choice to take lil xan over biggie in the final round, but great video nonetheless.
😂😂😂😂
We had to. Lil Zan the 🐐
@@NFRPodcast Lil xan da 🐐 no 🧢
@@NFRPodcast are you serious? Biggey is so much better then Little Zan, have you heard Redy to Dye and Live after Deth ? 🥱🥱
@@BetterWhenUnmastered i think it was a joke bro
Bro said snoop had the longevity over biggie ☠️☠️ tf biggie supposed to do? 😭😭😭☠️
Fr dawg 💀
Grippy@@Womp_Womp_Cry_abt_it
They also said that Wayne had him on the longevity and that nas had pac on him on that too
Duck, obviously
Kendrick going against drake aged great
wayne over kanye is unspeakable. kanye is in a completely different ballpark then wayne it’s not even comparable
We had a hard time choosing as I’m sure you saw😂
honestly i dont think its that far fetched wayne is my fav rapper so maybe im a bit biased but i think it can be either way honestly they both some of the most influential rappers of all time they both have classics lil wayne has the best mixtape catalog of all time wayne made drake and nicki honestlu im taking wayne but that’s just me
100%
yeah 100% Kanye trumps Wayne top 10 rapper of all time j from that discog
they are not in a completely different ballpark. as rappers, they’re pretty close.
how did Andre 3k not make it on this list, hes super popular the OutKast literally took the 90's over, they got DIAMOND albums.
lol
Them not being here doesn't mean they think they're bad bro they just can't put every rapper ever
@@coleintheville117 yes they have to put the most popular rappers, Andre 3k is much more popular than a lot of rappers on this bracket is my point & i know thye dont think hes bad bc they literally mentioned how much they respect him be4, thye just forgot about him which is kinda disrespectful considering how huge he is. Hes been a huge influence too, on modern atrist such as travis scott & he was eve featured on Birds In The Trap Sing Mcnight.
@@alexgrainger8948 it's not by popularity or quality it's just random that's what I'm sayin
@@coleintheville117 they literally said in the beginning its about the most popular rappers they added to the list.
I would love to see this bracket done again without the 90's rappers. Just 2000's and on. The reason is because, like you all said in the video, "it doesn't feel right placing Biggie over Kendrick." So, I would suggest not including Biggie, 2 Pac, etc.
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So would you include rappers like nas who was great and the 90s and has the longevity for the 2020’s
@@Lafffyy that’s a good shout bro I’ll say yeh cause em n nas started in the 90s and are still gling strong now so yeh I’ll count them but yeh good point
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@@Lafffyy yo fuck summrs
When NFR does brackets and rankings like this I think it would be interesting and informative for them to run down their criteria briefly in the beginning. To get an insight into how various traits (popularity, influence, enjoyability, technical acumen, consistency) are weighted would help contextualize some of these weird picks. I think it might help them be more internally consistent too lol
coin toss is the criteria
No way Ant put Wayne over Kanye
Is something wrong with that?
Honestly that’s not a horrible take
@@brandonsamaroo570 it’s not horrible but not good either
I would
It was a hot one but i have a lot of love for Wayne’s mixtapes. He’s one of my most played rappers of all time
I think I would’ve taken Travis over Thugger, Ye over Wayne, and Biggie over Hov but that’s just me. All good opinions though
Travis forever ❤️
Solid, agreed!!
Thug wipes Trav it’s not even close💀💀
@@andbo7937 To me Travis Scott is the best singer in the world imo
i do like the other singers but not as much as Travis Scott (:
Ya I agree.
drake v kendrick aged well
"snoop Dogg's the longevity" not biggies fault he got shot💀💀💀
It was a good idea to keep Nav out of this, wouldn’t have been interesting with the goat in here. Fire vid as always🔥
Top tier comment LMAO
His new record boutta trump Denzel and Kenny😩🔥🔥
He was in this he made illmatic
Nav Is mid lol
True.
Nav would lose to likes of Andre 3000 if included so no point even put in any contest
I know it’s hard but bracket construction could have been better. There should have been a sub genre in each fourth of the bracket. Or you could have extended this series with each bracket being one genre
Or you could also do eras
Or by subscribers
Appreciate the feedback!
Gotta agree ngl
I agree, this bracket is no good. there's no parameters
14:58 The argument that Kanye doesn't have mixtapes is just absurd. The odds at stake for an album being successful versus a mixtape being successful are substantially different. A failed mixtape doesn't harm an artist's reputation as much as a failed album , and the fact that Kanye's work has been well received by fans for almost two decades now. Can't think of an artist more relevant than Kanye.
This bracket makes sense for purely Rapping but Kanye literally dunks on everybody as a complete artist.
Dunks on Jay and Biggie?
Interesting opinion
@@virgilijusbernikas1666 def betta than big
yall gotta do a kanye madness bracket
I think that when Kendrick retires he will be the undisputed goat. We only dont see him as that because he is still going and still improving, but he already has a top 3 discography
Top 1 discography, I don't see how it's debatable, GKMC, TPAB, DAMN, MM&TBS, each one a masterpiece, and a valid pick for the best rap album ever, won rap's first Pulitzer with DAMN, has the most well executed concepts in rap, the best writer in rap in terms of literary value and poetic artistry.
@@coleintheville117 i agree but kanye is still better imo, thats just cause he released more. 1 or 2 more albums and kendrick will overtake him for sure
@@senjayt I'd say Ye is the only other valid pick, both are legendary but it depends if you prefer artistic expression through the sounds or through the lyrics.
@@coleintheville117 faxx
@@coleintheville117a Nas and Jay
Haven’t seen this yet but I know I’m going to be throwing my phone against the wall with some of the picks 😂😂😂
I think a lot of this depends when you started listening to hip hop. I started in 89, Jay-Z and Biggie is such a difficult conversation. Pop hip hop and not having LL Cool J , Ice Cube or Andre 3000 even on the bracket seems strange to me.
Biggie is better, jay z is mid
Thank you for mentioning ll cool j nobody talks about him smh
@@samuelpinder1215dumb
@@samuelpinder1215 mid??
@@Hummusar he's not terrible but he's not comparable to biggie
Thug over Travis??? 😂😂😂😂
I think it's close, they both came up in the game as friends and both had an original style in trap that was exciting af. There's a reason they have so many songs togheter, they knew each other well and they knew each other's style so it worked fantastic every time they collabed. And Thug has a decent discography, Jeffery and Barter 6 are some of the best trap mixtapes. But yeah, it's Travis for me. DBR, Rodeo and Astroworld are just way too good.
it´s a tough choice. Def cannot understand y u put 50M laugh emojis there
@@masnydan6922 bro it was just 4 why you over exaggerating 😭💀
@@donyou891 😂
I can't believe you talked so much about Snoop Dogg lmao, He's a nobody as a rapper compared to Biggie. What longevity? what flow? he has the most straight forward flow that hasn't changed throughout the years, he didn't even experiment with his flow at all. His albums are good at best, except of Doggystyle, only one classic. Snoop has no chance with good amount of rappers on that list, nevermind Biggie.
gotta be a different type of hater to get mad about them talking about one artist too much even if they didnt make it through
@@nathangittens9272 lol what? i like snoop, but i was very surprised when they didn't instantly say biggie lmao, you don't have to be a hater to acknowledge facts
@@nathangittens9272 what hater? U must not know hip-hop if you think snoop stands any chance against Biggie. Snoop has one of the poorest catalog out of everyone in that bracket.
@@badmeetsevil6163 You must not really know hip hop snoop has probably more hits then Biggie Only Cause The Longevity Is Different but u got Gin & Juice , The Next Episode , Who Am I , Young Wild And Free Drop It Like It’s Hot To Just Name A Few You Must Be Just Logically Retarted If You Think Snoop Isn’t One Of The Goats Of Hip Hop
@@zjthatyoungan the fact that you brought up “hits” just shows that you don’t know hip-hop, because hip-hop ain’t about “hits” but actual quality music. Tell me how many “hits” does Illmatic have? Commercial success does not equal quality. Snoop has over 20+ albums and a good majority of them are either mid or trash and Dre’s production carried Doggystyle. His lyrics and flow are basic as hell. Hell, if you wanna talk about “hits”, I’d even go as far as to say none of Snoop’s hits are better than Juicy or Sky’s the Limit.
I lost my respect for Anthony after him taking Wayne over Kanye (the guy who mbdtf, college dropout , graduation , late registration, the life of Pablo) . You just disrespected one of the greatest artists of all time , not just in rap but music itself
If that’s what your respect is based on idk what to tell you man
Its not that deep
Imagine Wayne over Kanye West. Madness.
Ever heard of an opinion? Wayne is a better rapper anyways
Exactly rapper...its not even close@@Lenn-sg1in
In terms of longevity+quality no one will touch Em & Ye.
Eminem hasnt been good in over 10 years, so no. Ye makes sense, but hellllll no not eminem
Quality and Eminem don't go together I'm sorry
@@illa.5767 mmlp2, Kamikaze and mtbmb are albums of the decade for me.
@@neminem7833 then i feel bad for you...
Eminem hasn't had a genuinely good album since 2013 with MMLP2. His last 3 albums have been mediocre/terrible.
This was stressful to watch 😆 also maybe next bracket idea could be album art?!
Fire
Certified lover boys album art is the best
@@imanolvides3185 CLB > TPAB easily 🥴
@@forever9043 😄
@@imanolvides3185 graduation album art is better
Shutting down Nas's 3 album run that fast to em's is crazy, It Was Written and I Am are both 10/10 albums
I am is not a 10☠
illmatic and iww are EASILY 10s, i am is a 8.5 though
I do dig the bracket idea 💡 though you guys should do this for albums different genres and more content it’s very intriguing keep up the work guys!! I support
How does anyone have Biggie over Kendrick? Biggie was around for only a few years while Kendrick has been putting out perfect classic albums for over 10 years
Kendrick is my favorite rapper., but Biggie is THE perfect rapper. We'll never see anyone like him again.
We are at a point now where it really doesn’t matter how long a rapper has been here for. Biggie has the classics, the flow, the coolness, the lyricism side aswell is really good from Biggie. He’s one of the ones that started this aswell remember. Give it 10-20 years more and I think Kendrick will be in that conversation more definitely
It’s the “safe” pick. I’d have Kendrick over Biggie because he’s basically put 2 albums that can be considered greatest of all time while remaining relevant under the radar. The only that really hurts Kendrick is influence.
@@willyschitumba5914 biggie was very unique so yes, we won’t see another rapper like him. There have been PLENTY of rappers better however
They didn't want to piss anyone off, but they chose the wrong rapper for that
Can't tell if this is most popular or who yall like more lol
who they like more
@@voidmage8241 figured. In that case some of their picks surprise me for sure
Who we like more
Eminem not making it to the finals at least is ridiculous lmao, dude is the most relevant artist from the 90s dominating in the streaming era while being the most sold artist this century. He’s literally the most popular artist since MJ
Exactly
This is unfair
Nas has only one style man with different flows
Eminem has plethora of different styles with different flows and skill wise much much bigger than nas any day
And in COMMERCIAL SUCCESS Eminem leads by a wide margin
@@archanakumari1552 100% facts, he’s literally the most popular rapper of all time, with all the stats to back it up 😂
@@archanakumari1552 eh
@@erennazir646 no one talks about him…
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The Jay-Z vs Kanye conversation would've been interesting
easily Jay Z for me bc he's way more skilled and more consistent discog
@NoahIsThaGOAT kanye is more consistent but jayz is more skilled as a rapper
Sometimes it’s hard to choose someone that you listen to more over someone that everyone regards as “the greats”. There’s a difference between objective greatness and your personal preference but it rides a thin line
As a rapper, I agree to move X past Post Malone, but I would never say that he is a more versatile artist. Post Malone dabbles in rap, pop, country, grunge rock, and metal. He's also a serviceable guitar player. Would give Post the nod as far as versatility.
LMAO, X is way more versatile. not even close
@@prodbyapolloeast lmao X is not more versatile than Post. I like X way more than Post. But when we’re talking abt versatility, u don’t hear X singing as much as post & u definitely don’t hear X in more genres than post Malone. It ain’t even close when talkin abt versatility between genres n makin music
@@KJ-xw6cy you have never listened to “?” with a statement like that 😂😂😂 X tackled more genres on that one album than post malone has in his whole career. Post only does rap,pop & country.
I wouldn’t even call Post a rapper. I like how music but he shouldn’t have been on this list.
@@ToAsTOnDeck i agree haha
No way kanye left the bracket so soon.Kanye smothers wayne when it comes to overall music and consistency throughout the years.
Also Em and Nas is highly debatable please
Great video guys! I probably would have Jay as the champions too, although I would've made some different choices, like Kanye over Wayne(and I also think Ye could've given Biggie a harder time than Weezy on the bracket if it came down to a comparison like that) and Travis over Young Thug too. Also, I just wanted to say: since you put many female hip hop artists in the bracket, I feel like putting someone like Lauryn Hill would've felt more right than to have someone like Post Malone or Cardi B, despite me liking both of them.
Love the consistent uploading, your videos are very entertaining!
I think this is a great video and I love the ideas, but I can't let you get away with that Wayne over Kanye or Travis over thugger. I would say the second one can definitely be debated, but c'mon it is Kanye. A rare number of artists can match Kanye's consistency and greatness in producing, rapping, singing, whatever. I like this idea tho and keep up the goat work 🔥
I think you guys should stream brackets and have the chat vote on ties
Everyone knows eminem would win if we do that
I just love how all us fans argue about who is better, yet all the people we name, most of them have mutual respect for each other.
Wayne over kanye is so wild 🤦🏾♂️
Its just wrong
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Kanye is boring af
@@LMajorDegs wayne boring
@@LMajorDegs 🧢
they went like “kendrick is the goat… let’s choose biggie”
Nice vid and nice opinions, I just think a few of the 1st round match ups were kinda unfair but overall big W
NEVER MAKE A BRACKET AGAIN 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Eminem was the most listened to artist it June btw. This is a 49 year old guy that hasn't released an album in 2 years and he's still relevant til this day, while Drake, who is arguably the biggest artist in the world right now released an album in June as well and yet Em is number 1. I respect Nas for what he's done for HipHop but for me there's no rapper that touches Eminem
Edit: he's the most streamed artist in RUclips sorry for not clearing that up sooner
This man heard one Nas song
@@pooberyt8093 Nas is so good but I do agree with this take Eminem is def better
@@bobbykeene736 old Eminem was amazing, mmlp, Eminem show, relapse, and even recovery showed how he was an amazing artist, but new Eminem is so bad. Not mid just bad. He has nothing to prove anymore so I wish he had just retired after mmlp2 and he would be solidified as a top 10 for me, but bro fell off hard. Nas destroys new Eminem, but old Eminem and Nas could be a debate
Why? I fw with Eminem but That argument is so tongue and Cheek, Yes Eminem is the biggest rapper of all time, but in terms of storytelling, Delivery, and Lyrics Nas has him beat imo, if you disagree that’s fine but telling me his commercial success is the reason why is such a Bad argument.
First of all that's wrong Drake, Bad Bunny and a bunch of there artists got more streams than Eminem in June. Second of all you need to understand how influential Nas is, he is literally the blueprint.
Should definitely do a bracket for other artists in different genres!
Thank you for the feedback!
I’d love to see a trap genre
they don't listen to other genres 💀
@@beard6329 lol exactly
@@anthonydaliesio5556 yooo wrong account
How is the Wayne over Ye take so controversial. It’s a rappers list and Weezy is levels clear as a rapper and writes all of his own shit. Ye has so many classics and a discography that is up there with the best but Tha Carters, The mixtapes (e.g. The Dedication series), the feature runs are not to be forgotten though. Ye has had a great impact but so has Weezy and Drake, Nicki etc. wouldn’t be anywhere without Wayne. Ye has production over him as Ye is a genius but in the same way Ye is a genius on the production and beats, Weezy is a genius with lyrics.
Edit: Weezy is your favourite rappers, favourite rapper too
EVERY COMMENTATOR IN EVERY CONVERSATION ABOUT J COLE:
I love J Cole, BUT ...
Tyler The Creator is way better than Future
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😂😂😂
what
Just flew right over Mac vs. Playboi 😆😆😆
Was that an easy one for you?
@@NFRPodcast just felt pretty fast to discard playboi like that, but i agree with mac winning. Carti is having a huge influence tho
🧛🏿♂️ 🛑 cArTi sWEEps 🧛🏿♂️ 🩸
@@NFRPodcast come on bro don’t be so biased about carti he is one of the most influential rappers you made a wrong pick right there smh
@@jimispetrakis9661 how is he an influential rapper if he ain't a rapper
the simplest explanation to the final is, without biggie, there wouldnt be jay z
2psc vs Nas had me excited ngl. The fact that they are both in the big 3 with biggie in the big 3 aswell from the 90’s is also nice aswell. 2 of the best rappers ever going at it.
I love the bracket idea. I would love to see it with rappers best songs
Love this! Great content as always, that’s what I expect. Y’all always deliver with the great video ideas 🔥🔥
"i was edging more towards nicki" me too my friend, me too. 😥😥
They put Pac over Nas and Jay over Pac like wtf
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nah no one cares about nas but jay over pac was bad
@@glidn.27wdym no one cares? Hes arguably the best rapper OAT, if u dont care it doesn't mean nobody does
@@adadsdwadawsda9076 hes not relevant anymore lol and also longetivity helps toward becoming a "goat" nas was only relevant for 2 years where he was rlly good, eminem also has been dropping in quality, tdoss was his best album since recovery. jay z i can see being a goat since hes consistent and better than a lot of rappers. if 2pac or biggie were still alive, they would be da goats
@@glidn.27 why are u so confident about it lol? Eminem had 3 very good albums at start, biggie and tupac both had couple of great albums that for me at the same level with Eminem's albums. So why do u think they wont fall too? Cuz they died? About Nas, he still drops really good albums such as KD 2,3 and magic and he's still top tier rapped compared to others so its stupid that u say he was relevant only for couple of years even tho he had great albums after it was written, for example Stillmatic.
tyler not beating future is outrageous
No it’s completely justified
Future is good but doesn’t have tyler’s crazy discography
@@DiscardatRandom future better discog
@@anyways276 valid he has like 3 or 4 classics
@@DiscardatRandom future has way more classics than tyler. Shows youve listened to no future cause anybody who has listened to both would rate future higher. Top trap artist oat
I'd like to see you guys do a more competitive rendition of this, greats only. so when we're matching these artists up, its tough, but its not something too egregious; i can't see Cole lose in the first. Mac Miller being debated against Jay-Z. Kanye losing to Wayne in the 2nd round.
i just got to "its not an all-time bracket", i would Love to see that
*32 Suggestions:*
Lil' Wayne - 2Pac - Biggie Smalls - Jay-Z - Kendrick Lamar - Snoop Dogg
Rakim - Tribe Called Quest - Nas - 50 Cent - Nicki Minaj - J. Cole
LL Cool J - Ice Cube - Future - Young Thug - Wu Tang - Lauryn Hill - Canibus
Kanye West - Eminem - DMX - MF Doom - Big L - Slick Rick - Outkast
Common - NWA - Drake - Scarface - Joyner Lucas - KRS One
****23 Honorable Mentions**** (55 Total)
Immortal Technique - Mobb Deep - Tech N9NE - Chance the Rapper - NBA Youngboy - The Fugees - Ice T - The Beastie Boys - Mos Def - Big Pun - Rick Ross - Lil Baby - Tyler, the Creator - Run DMC - Lupe Fiasco - The Lox - Ab-Soul - Mac Miller - Kid Cudi - TI - Busta Rhymes - AZ - Talib Kweli
What is Joyner Lucas doing there though? Or am I sleeping on em
@@DGEL03 i think he's worth mentioning simply off the fact that even in this new era of mainstream music he's still finding ways and reasons to be creative. i diont mind him being replaced, just a nod to him
“Snoop has more longevity over Biggie” Biggie,💀
I think Eminem tops all of em based off of bangers, impact on the generation, and nobody spits flows like him
impact on generation def kanye wins and he arguabley wins bangers
I am an Em Fans, but i can't see that he all of them rapper based what your saying
but for me he deserve Top 3, Rapper All time.
I agree
How did Tyler lose to Future…..
Exactly Tyler has 4 albums over his best
@@beastcubing189 😂😂😂🤣🤣😂😂 OMG U DWEEBS Ds2 is better than all of Tyler albums combined and I love Tyler more than most . Culture impact matters and HITSSS…. SMASHES matter .
this video is a sarcastic..
Because he’s not as good tf
@@jwbetter4562 hn tyler washes future in every catgeory except repetitiveness 😂
I’m sorry but the Nicki vs juice round wasn’t even a debate. I love juice and appreicate his impact on the game. But Nicki is a legend and has an impact of over 10+ years. And arguably one of the most impactful women rapper and rappers period. Cmon y’all 😂😂it’s not close
Fax
ive been looking for this comment
Right that was a major trip
Nicki has done more, but Juice had way more potential
Biggie over Kendrick 💀
Yes!?
Kid cudi would’ve come further if he wasn’t against the best rapper ever😔
You guys should do a bracket for underground artists. Or fairly well known artists that weren’t big enough to make it on this list
wayne over kanye is wild
As a rapper no, as an overall artist though Kanye takes it
"Rapper madness bracket"
yeah i agree ye>wayne but it’s not wild, wayne’s influence and classics are huge and while kanye wins that imo, still a closer call than some people say
Kanye got the better music, Wayne is the better rapper. It all comes to preference.
y'all should release a playable verison of the bracket so we can play along
Wayne over Kanye might be the worst decision in any bracket ever made. Kanye literally has 7-8 CLASSICS in his discography, that alone should tell u why he's the best to ever do it
He has maintained his relevency from 20 fucking years and to this day he influencing people and pushing boundaries
I would put ye over every fucking body in this list coz no one is more influential, genius, talented, relevent than him to this date
kanye is the greatest of all time in my top 3 since day 1
Disagree, hes top 5 and hes in my personal top 10 but hes not the goat
Wayne is 10x a better rapper than kanye and he is more influential, kanye is amazing and hes one of my all time favorites like i said but personally wayne is better
NFR is in my top list when it comes to hip-hop podcasts and updates
Thank you Jerome we appreciate you my guy🤝
Great video guys! I didn't agree with EVERYTHING that was decided but this type of video really encourages us to think on which criteria to use and the weight each criteria contributes to overall greatness. When we do compare rappers that's when the criteria needs to have the correct balance between being objective and subjective (especially when comparing rappers who have decades between their careers). I believe the criteria should be dominated by objective reasoning than subjective reasoning ESPECIALLY WHEN RAPPERS OF DIFFERENT DECADES ARE BEING COMPARED (btw I can't let go of the biggie over Kendrick match-up) because that's when different generations of listeners start to disagree more than actually agree. Hope this help with the greatest rappers of all time video!
Nas and em would be a perfect duo Ngl
he wrong for saying snoop dogg has the longevity vs biggie 💀💀💀
No way Nas is more popular than Em in any sense.
He isnt more popular, but he is better
I’d say Nas has way less haters, much more consensus around the quality of his music
1. No way Halloween is more popular than Stephen King’s It in any sense.
2. No way Zelda: Ocarina of Time is more popular than The Witcher in any sense.
3. No way The Shining is more popular than Harry Potter: And The Philosopher’s Stone in any sense.
4. No way Rakim is more popular than Cardi B in any sense.
Moral of the story, when you delve into a field with actual knowledge of the art you know which is better by a set criteria regardless of popularity amongst casuals. You know…kind’ve like how we know Nas’ Illmatic is the consensus number 1 rap album of all-time and retired in the library of Congress when it’s only double platinum.
Yall lost the narrative of the video
@@Mcbikey24 Nah he ain’t and Nas in my Top 3 but it’s 1)Eminem 2)Biggie 3)Nas
Why aren’t we talking about Tupac’s influence in hip/hop, and his level of poetry is unmatched 🥲
NAS ISN’T AS MUCH OF A POET AS PAC?! NAS IS *THE* HIP HOP POET.
wayne over kanye is the most messed up thing i’ve ever seen
Love it! But would love to do brackets of artists’ songs!
Future over Tyler is wild
No it isn't 💀💀
@@zxchhbYes it is 💀💀
Bro, where is Griselda, JID, Freddie Gibbs and many other great rappers. Why did you even put Post Malone?!
How to piss off 30 fan bases at once
can you do just a mainstream rapper bracket, because although I did watch the video, it’s very obvious who’s going to win, like you have dababy and Eminem, in the same bracket so it’s just kind of obvious, so I recommend a just mainstream rapper bracket, with all that love the content another great video!
Thank you for the video
Dababy and Eminem are both mainstream rappers lol
@@user-bp1be1yg2h but Eminem is known for his old stuff
This is a mainstream bracket lol Do you think Dababy is underground?
@@LuisLopez-wb9di bro but just like new rappers, like it’s obvious bigge, jay z and Tupac were going to the finals
Juice over Nicki is just wild 😭
Not at all, Nicki is trash
Right ? He was on his way but never hit the mark. Nicki is influential for the Cardi B’s, Doja Cats, Megan The Stallion.
And Pink Friday is a classic to a lot of people.
juice would've been on a level with travis if he would be alive. He was evolving just at the end of drfl era and wanted to put out outsiders which should touch a sound he never touches before. This project could insist a whole new genre (heroine music). The influence he already made would increase automatically
Jay-Z mops the floor with both
Wayne over Kanye? What are you smoking?
I don't care who he influenced. Future over Tyler should be a war crime.
Are you the real sprectre? I'm subscribed. I watched the video "GKMC but it's my voice"
@@classic-vw4ed yes big ups for supporting, I'm a massive fan of nfr I'm ways commenting
J. Cole is my favorite artist and fav rapper, if I had to pick the greatest of all time I would genuinely have to say Kendrick
Edit: you should do one of these but in todays generation, I feel like kendrick, mac, Cudi would have All gone farther if it weren’t for like 2pac, biggie, nas, yk? So that would be cool 🙏
why? what is the difference? how did you make an objective comparison? I call bs man
@@simeonstan5843 on what? I relate to j coles songs the most and I really just like him as a person, I feel more connected through his songs, but with kendrick I know the majority of people feel connected through him
If Cole is your favorite rapper, just call him the best. Music is 100% subjective
@@taavittee no lol there is a big difference lil uzi and travis is one of my fav but I know they aren't even top 15 of all time rappers
@@phileske4752 how do you know coward?
do a producer bracket list!!
RZA vs dr dre will be impossible for me to choose 😂
Respectfully, I need rapper discography to matter more in these conversations. I wish we upheld artists like Kanye and Kendrick more. Their runs are incredible. Even Drake's catalogue is underappreciated when considering hit records.
Artists like Doja Cat & Jack Harlow are too fresh to be on a list like this. Artists like Lil Uzi Vert, Cudi and Post Malone don't quite fit the rapper label either. I would have rather seen Andre 3K, Meek Mill, Wale, Pusha T and Big Sean be considered.
I would change:
Kanye over Wayne
Nas over 2Pac
Kendrick over Biggie
Love to see the long form NFR content !
Bruh the fact that y’all put Future over Tyler, Juice over Nikki, Thug over Travis and Wayne over Kanye is just crazy 💀
Thug demolishes Travis imo but otherwise I agree
I also say this is a very unique group of artists you guys picked so many different styles
OMG they predicted K dot W Drake and got it right xD
Travis should’ve gotten higher on the list.
Thug clears his ass
@@thugtop10s no
@@thugtop10s never astro and Rodeo would be his best albums
Travis Scott has like 2 hit songs, I would’ve put him over Young Thug but not past the second round
@@lethaborasebotsa Astro is trash and jeffery clears rodeo
Cudi vs Kendrick cmon now lmao, these gotta be two different genres 🙏🏽
wayne over ye is astronomical
22:11 fast forward 2024 Kendrick vs Drake went down 🔥
I feel like a Era based list would be a dope idea as well...like 2010s artists and 2000s artists ..and 90s artists ....like of course juice isn't gonna beat jay z but In actual real life juicewrld can make a better actual song than jay z in terms of melody and emotions..but jay z is a goat of course but I feel like ppl listen to music for different reasons....
Like a uzi fan wants to turn up and he makes legendary turn up music that i feel like no one can do like him...
While a 2pac fan wants storytelling and legendary poetry...
Emo rappers bracket
Gangster rappers bracket
Lyrical rappers bracket
Vibe rappers bracket....(etc)
21 vs Pop Smoke, goddamn. 🤦🏽♂️ I love both of these artists, mannn but ima have to go with 21. FAITH aside, from MTW to SFTS, Pop’s run was flawless. If he was still alive and making music, I would’ve definitely chosen him over 21 but 21 has just gotten better and better over time.
whos watching this video during the kendrick drake beef lmao
2pac over nas is crazy that take is the worst thing that wehnt in my ears.