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Hey guys, SnapJelly here to talk to you about what might me worst sword in history!
the 1796 Pattern British Infantry Officer's Sword is a sabre or spadroon that just isnt good for all that much, and here is why: because it sucks.... honestly it does really suck.
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snap jelly
Where do you get your weapons from, medieval sword-jesus?
I lol'd
internet
TapDog96
medieval sword jesus...awesomr
TapDog96 some one recreates and then sells it and he buys it
It's a sword that is optimized to be a part of formal dress. Lighter and shorter makes it much more practical to wear at dinner or to the Duchess of Richmond's ball. A lot of HEMA folks don't seem to understand that while combat may be the only use they think of for swords, most people who have carried swords for the last 400 years or so did not really expect to fight with them on a regular basis. That wasn't why they wore swords around. That's also true of Edo-period Japan, btw - Tokugawa samurai were primarily courtiers and administrators who did not fight in wars and dueling was generally prohibited. Swords were a badge of status, not something you actually went around slicing and stabbing people with.
They could have went with a more simplistic form of backsword, and have the sword be as compact as the spadroon or smallsword (almost), whilst being vastly more effective than either of them. Also that it was designed for dress and for a particular culture doesn't save it from criticism.
Idiot
Thats what i think as well. Even if they carry it into war, it was probably mostly designed to look good and be light. As an officer you gotta make sure you look impressive to make sure your men listen.
Weapons don't have to be effictive at fighting, there are weapons designed to be light and look good as well, there always were.
Until 1945 the cutlass was still an official weapon of the US navy, probably not because its particularly effective.
Even smallswords are better at that
the best sword i think would be one which has the technology or magic ability to transform shape to fit the situation
assuming it can transform smaller it would be potentially lightweight and definitely travel friendly.
What would be the best sword to defend against a horde of bloodthirsty garden gnomes, armed with hatchets, showels and pickaxes, in a suburban front garden ?
just consult them with a strict voice
Zogg
I'd go with the Macine-Gun-Sword. If I recall correctly, it's a machine gun that shoots swords!!! Or is it a sword that cuts through machine guns... Hang on a minute...
The best weapon against hords is crescent moon spade imho.
A spinning lawnmower blade.
Gnomes, hmmmm.. i believe iDubbz has a video on how to deal with
a Keemstar- I mean, gnome.
You cant even unscrew that swords pommel!? But how do i end him rightly then!?
clearly if your into that its your responsibility to carry a hacksaw nothing says ended rightly more than a 10 minute hacksaw break
grassy climer
or you can just weakly slam the guard on a wall, it will probably fall apart right away. but without the unscrewing, its not rightly enough D;
Viktor Nikolayev lolololololololololololol id pay to see that
Throw the whole thing.
Aaah this avatar is everywhere
I gotta say though... it looks damn pretty #allswordsarebeautiful #stopswordshaming
In a toilet booth, I'd definitely go for a dagger or gladius XD
What if there isn't a dagger or gladius in there.?
Diarmuid Hurley Do you actually mean you leave your house without at least a dagger, completely disregarding the chance you might be attacked while using a public bathroom? I'm Shocked! Shocked I tell you! :O ;)
Good review. To understand the sword you need to understand the historic context. The war it was being used in relied predominantly on muskets and bayonets. The infantry officers of the British army at the time were members of the aristocracy at a time when the fop was the direction of fashion, if a sword was worn at all it tended to be a court sword and the majority of the officers only experience of fighting would have been duels. Likewise those in charge of the armies had a tendency to lead from the back and it is often the case that designs are approved by the people that don't have to use them. So what is the result from the mindset of the day. "I know what a fight is all about I've fought in several duels, you want a blade that is light and quick" but sir in a battle you may need to fight many people so the blade should be a little stronger. "Fair enough so we shall make it a little wider than a court sword so that it lasts longer against the brute savage attacks of the enemy. "Of course the ordinary soldiers shall fight the enemies ordinary soldiers and we officers shall behave as gentlemen and engage in duels with their officers as civilised men on the battlefield, we of course want to capture them for ransom so certainly many of the duels shall be to first blood so a blade that cuts but not too deeply is important.
initially when i saw the thumbnail i thought you were gonna rag on the smallsword so i thought, oh not this again
but at least smallswords and colichmardes were specialised in 2 areas
good at thrusting, and light/ short, thus making themconvenient to just have on you all the time everyday.
the hinged guard is useful for carrying about, which IS important. but. in the case of an officers sword, it's not a proper backsword, or proper smallsword,
i remember matt easton talking about spadroons which suffer from the smallswords and were also military blades
the gentlemans sword blade was that of the smallsword which would have been fairly ok for military use since they at least were quite good at the thrust, but might have some problems against a backsword or cutlass or bayonetted musket.
14:37 The 1796 is not specialized for nothing. It is specialized for wearing.
To me it looks like someone tried to turn a dress sword into a fighting sword.
Someone obviously wanted to thin out the amount of officers. Seperate the dumb-dumbs from the sensible ones.
This sword is not a saber, it is a spadroon. Even by your definition of a saber it's not qualified because it don't have saber type hilt.
To me a sword with a clam hilt and knuckle bow from the 18th or 19th century can be called a saber
@@thatchannel195 Then your unique draw of being "That Channel" is probably that you're wrong about most things.
Actually, they did invent the perfect weapon...
Guns.
perfect for when someone tackles you from behind or attacks you close range from behind a wall!
SnapJelly hmmmmm,
touché...
Gentleman Jake pistols.
Gentleman Jake Also they don't have a pommel
China invented those bro
Oh my goodness, my jaw dropped when you flipped the guard up. XD
it would actually have been a better guard to have just been permanently stuck in the flipped-up position.
There is no perfect weapon. An awesome sword can be a nightmare in a doorway. A short sword can be useless unless you are in a doorway. A gun beats a knife unless he has it at your throat. An Apache helicopter is great until a MIG shows up.
In the blink of an eye we will be talking the merits of a forty watt phased plasma pistol versus a light saber.
Everything has a time and place, even the "worst sword" ever can look cool at a party on your hip.
The best sword ever would clearly be a katana attached to a pomel.
OOTurok triggered of the face of the planet...
I really like your videos thanks! Sometimes would be cool to see some pictures of what you are explaining. Thanks again for your videos!
The Americans did develop the perfect weapon - the Tomahawk cruise missile: fired from 500 miles away :)
Sherratt Pemberton (assassins creed tomahawk) :p
Now try deploying it in a toilet booth for self defence.
I like ICBMs at thousands of miles.
iamedbytes except the 500 other ICBMs flying back your way after you fire yours :/
Sherratt Pemberton I will travel to Valhalla with a million vanquished foes!
Greetings dude, i love your videos!
I think i'm your 6000th subscriber!
Keep up with the great work!
I heard the reason spadroons were created was because duels were common and smallswords were a common weapon in duels and spadroons were primarly built to give someone who was not well trained in the use of a saber or a backsword something that still had a cutting edge but could still feel like a small sword and function like a smallsword.Spadroons werent used because they were highly effective but because it is was easier to train a smallsword practitioner to fight with a spadroon than to fight with a back sword or saber.
Don't hold back man, tell us how you really feel!
Seriously great video, those hinges in the hand guards are beyond mental.
Guess thats why the light cavalry sabre was more popular.
"Dinosaurussen"?
I'm intrigued.
The longer i watched the more entertaining this video became^^
Could you tell me which sabre you were comparing the 1796 with? I'm sadly not familiar enough with regulation patterns to say one way or another.
Well...to use this flimsy sword successfully you have to be a real bad ass swordmaster. It's like turning the game difficulty up to 'Hell' level, that's why this sword existed. In that spirit I have to quote Duke Nukem: "Power Armour is for Pussies".
Alexander Werner Jr or just duel other officers in street wear... Though some examples of spadroons are really soft so a thick over coat would probably stop a thrust. Lol
Gentlemen's swords weren't just for duels, but also for self defense. They were the snub nose .32 of swords. Maybe most swords would be better, but no sword is more dull and has shorter reach than the one you left at home because it was too heavy or encumbering.
@Snapjelly I'm honestly curious to hear your response
Can anyone tell me if the 1796 Spadroon blades were pattern welded, as i have a blade with a Spadroon hilt (shattered) but the blade is pattern welded.
What would you choose if you had to choose 3 weapons, not knowing what kinds of situations or places you would have to fight?
halbert, rapier, main gauche
Do a Review on Lightsabers! :'D
Longsword vs Katana vs Lightsaber
not a bad idea actually
Not every sword is going to be good at everything... except a light saber... :D - never even heard of the battery running out. not sure why...
the beam emitter is a like a MF cell in fallout
Lightsabers are impossible to make
duh, but fictional ones aren't :P
what is the best sword to use on an iced pond and why is it?
Could it be that the sword been used as a decorative item only?
Then why the Guard joints?
... cause they're decorative?
It was the first proper iteration in the long process of decorative swords. Still 'technically' fully functional but really just easy to carry around and it looks good sheathed. It was designed to be worn and for pointing in the direction one wanted troops to go.
not entirely they had to have a practical purpose like chopping brush and cutting cake or popping corks from wine bottles
for modern military dress swords that is the case they can't be used to fight with but have Sharpe tips to cut cake with
Could it be designed for Fencing/Dueling to keep drunk soldiers from killing each other?
i think the brit officer sword was meant to be more of a 'dress uniform' sword and not an actual weapon of war and so when war broke out they didn't have the time or whatever to make a proper war sword.. especially during the times of gun powder weapons and so the only or main melee weapons were for the cavs
I chuckled at the hinged guard
Maybe it was just meant as a status symbol or a badge of honor/metal kind of thing? Like "Congratulations on becoming an officer, here's a cool looking sword to put on your wall at home." The dueling blade might've been the coolest and most fashionable thing ever at the time because all the gentlemen were seen using them.
Or maybe the person in charge of designing it didn't know what the soldiers were dealing with and thought that making the sabers more similar to what they used in duels would be better?
people didn't ''get'' swords, you had to buy them yourself, and the model that this was based on was a trooper sabre, meaning used by normal soldiers
Right, I was thinking a bit too modern by assuming these swords were issued to soldiers. Thanks for the correction. Still convinced this was probably one of the first wall-hangers. lol
Whats the best weapon in a narrow area
You that guy from the princess bride movie ?
Nice vid btw are you dutch? i can see Kasteel in the background and dinosaurussen that is dutch :P
Btw Nederland is de beste!
You're wrong. The perfect weapon is love.
Can you make a video on leather armor ? Been intrigued by them
sure thing
What are the swords in the background?
You may say there is no perfect weapon, but I differ. There is the all mighty apache helicopter. An apache helicopter has machine guns that can carry up to 1,200 30mm rounds and in addition to that the Apache carries a range of external stores and weapons on its stub-wing pylons, typically a mixture of AGM-114 Hellfire anti-tank missiles, and Hydra 70 general-purpose unguided 70 mm (2.756 in) rockets. In conlusion I sexually identify as an apache helicopter and I'm INSULTED.
What if you're out of gas?
Sebastian D. I give you sand! Sand f****s up an Apache pretty good. . Don't forget the warthog, the A10. 30 mm cannon and twice as fast. You
+iamedbytes not to mention every kind of armoured AAV and their SAM's and 23-40mm radar guided autocannons will drop Apaches like flies over a frog pond.
If you're opponent is in an open field, you don't use a polearm. You shoot them
What is the best sword to use in a duel
usually in a duel both parties use the same weapon
You should do a spodroon collab with Mett Euston
isn't it meant to be used on horseback? does that change anything? and what is the best cavalry sword
nope, its an infantry officer's sword
Which sword is it, you show us at 5:30 min ? Because I am in swordfighting and search for an new saber. This looks fine, and so I want to research more about it, but I need a name for this. :-)
french model 1822 cavalry sabre
Thanks. :-)
can you do weapon rewiews
A spadroon is not a saber with a spadroon blade, but a militarised version of the small sword, which is the 18th century gentlemans dueling weapon you were talking about. Small swords have even narrower and thinner blades, so compared to that, the spadroon is massive. So its wasnt designed to be a saber(cutter), it was designed as a beefed up dueling blade and I agree, that's not a great battlefield weapon. Though i think they took this design, because the officers were accustomed to the small sword(dueling was very popular). Still, what were they thinking? Good vid though, keep up the good work!
Thanks for your input! I don't fully agree with you since smallswords have unsharpened triangular cross sections. You could say that a spadroon is an early smallsword design but because of the finger rings that smallswords have the sword usage really focusses on thrusting and spadroons do not. so that's why I usually call them sabers but it's personal opinion really.
Is it possibly something similar to the US M1840- M1860 swords that were largely a badge of rank and for pointing? They look very similar, have an even worse hilt.
On the wall behind there is a sword with an extreemly small handle, it's the top one. My hand would not fit if I held it normaly, so whats the deal with it? It looks like it would be easyly dropped or knocked from the hand.
Colin Macdonald That may be a Talwar from India and the Hindu Kush you know, Afghanistan, Pakistan.
Is it held in the normal way? Would seem they had small hands. I would only fit three fingers around. I have handled a few of these weapons and never understood the size.
Colin Macdonald little Hindu guys? None of your strapping Sikhs for this.
What is the best sword in this context:
You are in a tank (with no ammo) and get suprised by another tank (with ammo) but the cannon is not facing you yet.
What sword would be the best in this context? If you need more pls just ask, I can get more precise.
something short so you can get out of your tank and run over to theirs, if you can get inside you would need something light and quick and usable in restricted spaces.
"It would be wayyyyy pointier!"
Who made the dao on the wall behind you.
My guess is that that one is a ceremonial sword; the one they'd wear on parades. I'd wager that when battle was imminent, an officer would switch to a regular cavalry saber. If that's off base, another possibility I'd consider is that the sword was designed more to be held up for a long time and used more like a pointer than an actual weapon; officers were not, and are not, generally expected to bear the brunt of combat, but in those days the officer would use his sword to emphasize gestures, one reason that in movies you often see them draw their sword and lower it in a signal to open fire.
That method of use would call for a lighter-weight, comfortable sword that could be sort of used in combat in a pinch but isn't really meant to be if the officer could help it.
Okay, how good a sword is Game of Throne's Needle? And in what situations is a bastard sword best in?
We're all so lovably violent.
what kind of sword do you use?
longsword, arming sword, sabre and rapier
It's like the sword was designed by someone who knew nothing about swords
For military officers? That's a terrible sword. Bad at everything.
You said with a situation you could answer. I would love to posit one. What's the best sword?
You're a man in your thirties, and you're the third or fourth son of a noble or merchant, and never had to physically work that hard. Your body is tall and relatively fast, but not extreme in many senses. Agile and quick but not extremely so, not muscular or used to pain of fighting, though you do play tennis a lot.
You often have to pick up food and product for the store. You need to get on a horse with money on you and take home valuables. Your clothes are often laden, as are your horses, and you are a pretty good target. You know this. So you need to strap on a sword just for protection. You assume brigands will have little armour but would rather not get that close.
So if you're a civilian, not a warrior, who can't carry that much weight or encumbrance like armour or long swords, relatively agile, and needs a weapon you can put on and forget until you need it (outside practice), despite climbing on and off a horse going through narrow halls and handling things. What's the best sword for your lifestyle.
Adrian Rook gladius, perhaps modified to include some form of small guard and a nail and they call it on a German Messer
Personally Sabres suit me well. If you had to hand a random person a sword I would probably suggest either an arming sword/longsword or a back sword. Frankly probably the latter most. Great hand protection cuts well stabs well and reasonably light. Just my 2 arbitrary cents
Maybe it was designed primarily as a dress sword in war? While on the battlefield?
The best sword ever is whatever the best swordsman ever is holding.
did u like keris?
Totally agree that the final weapon was significantly less practical- it's a good example of weapons designed/commissioned by committee. From memory the core concept was a military adaption of the civilian smallsword- the idea being that the officer class would already be familiar with the technical use of those kinds of swords. The primary ideal was to thrust and make quick, short cuts against enemies using bayonets- but it lacked the kinetic output to knock most bayonets out of line.
To be fair though, having played with them it can deliver quite good thrusts, despite blade flex- but they do need to be aimed at very 'soft' areas- such as the stomach and such. The problem was the British government shied from making a primarily thrusting blade and compromised on making it 'partially sabre', and also shorter for use on-board commissioned ships. It is the best example of a jack of all trades, master of absolutely none.
I wouldn't have put a fuller on that...
any other weapon used in the same wars that was worse?
Lucas Biermann I don't know about the era, but many blades could lose to even this blade, by nature of them being shorter, and for closer range.
Which, mind you, would not mean they're worse, but again loses in the rock-paper-scissors argument.
Almost seems like someone drew the design and the people in charge liked the look of it so much they got it mass produced before having chance to test it.
i think it's interesting- this sword shows that it was more important for an officer to be a gentleman than a melee combatant, in much the same way they didn't have muskets or rifles as again, it was more important for them to be a commander than a marksman.
Looks very much like a ceremonial sword.
I will now explain what it is particularly good at. It keeps the officers of the same army from injuring each other too badly while dueling. Some day I will elaborate on this.
I think that when someone asks "What's the best sword ever?" what they're really saying is:
"I saw this Japanese Sam-Rye [sic] movie, where the Sam-Rye [sic] uses this really cool sword that was folded, like, two-hundred-thousand times and I reckon that's the best sword ever! Do you agree with me, because you seem like you know your stuff, and I'd like it if you agreed with me on this, even though it's clear I have no idea..."
It's an officer's sword, and officers don't fight
i think it is made for bleeding an unarmored target slicing not cutting or stabbing
Wouldn't it make sense to respond to that question by simply telling the asking person the truth which is that no "sword enthusiast" has the first clue about what sword is "best" or "worst" in ANY situation because none of them have EVER USED A SWORD FOR ANYTHING BUT "PRETENDING" TO USE THEM FOR THEIR INTENDED PURPOSE? Seriously, not only is a "weapon" not a "weapon" until its used AS a "weapon", no "expert" on any kind of "weapon" who has never used that TOOL PRACTICALLY for what it was designed to do in a "real life" situation has real KNOWLEDGE on which to claim or just to let other believe them to be an "expert".
The Tulwar doesn't have a very impressive haft. But even with a Tulwar you can at least finger the guard for a more comfortable grip and a foot or so more of increased range to bring the point to bare more effectively. And the disc on the bottom isn't really a problem worn. It really speaks to the 'quality' of the other blade that you can pull a near equivalent in some respects from the wall and it's still a lot better.
break the worst sword ever in two and what you get? A sword that is worse than the worst sword ever!
Really nice video, as usual. On a matter of linguistics, though, it can't be called a sabre, if it's straight. Or it could be called a sabre, but with the same correctness conveyed by calling it a machete.
Is this the start of the era when british officers of any rank weren't supposed to fight as much as direct the men, and die without sweating? Which would make this a compromise between a sabre and a side-sword?
why do you think a curve would improve the cutting power of a sword?
because the cutting potential of a swing largely depends on the push or pull you apply during the swing, and a curved sword makes for more blade contact when pulling so in theory a deeper wound
SnapJelly the First time anyone thinks like i do XD
most people tell it's about the surface area but we all know how valid that claim is, taken on normally rounded body parts ^^
cavalry sabre in the war of the roses? 0o something is not right here
can you read?
You know how in The Walking Dead, they repeatedly have guys with average musculature stab ordinary knives through human skulls, through the forehead? That's not actually possible, is it?
probably not
Context!
Better does not mean more adequate.
One time and the next are not the same, there has always been evolution and change.
Search Matt Eastons "Spadroon, actualy the best sword. Context."
"I don't really know why they thought this design was a good idea..."
If you were ever in a military of any kind, you'd know exactly why, lol. Military Intelligence is not just a job, it's an oxymoron. Any bureaucracy is going to be subject to a lot of faults, the deadliest of which is the good idea fairy. It probably started with some high ranking guy saying, "Well, I think we should do this!" and everyone below him (at least those who didn't want to endanger their careers) said, "That's a great idea, sir!" Happens a lot in today's military, and if history is anything to go by, it's always been a problem somewhere. Good leaders tend to die quickly, but there's always got to be someone in charge...
The British HEAVY CAVALRY sword of the era however, of 'Sharpe' fame was excellent, a real beast of a chopping weapon. That flimsy little pig-sticker you're holding on the other hand was basically just a military-approved version of a gentleman's small-sword
I like your thoughts on swords
Think I'll just call Jelly "Geddy" from now on. Gotta admit, there's a similarity there :)
Subscribed :) nice channel
glad to have you! ^^
Another interesting video, good job. My only criticism would be that your volume is always too low. Besides that, why would anyone 'finger' a guard?
OldmansCC Oh, you know ... battlefield can be a pretty lonely place sometimes
scholagladatoria made a 5 questions video recently where he talked about it helping point control
As much as the second one makes more sense to me, I choose to believe the first one.
OldmansCC thank you for you trust
I get the feeling it's more about officers "leading" their men into battle rather than actually fighting in it. The British cavalry sword of the Napoleonic period was deadly and the French wanted it banned due to the horrific injuries it could cause.
P.s. Cavalry Sabre (Light Cavalry).
Its kinda looks like a dollar bin version of a royalty sword. Maybe they just made a bunch of simple swords so their officers would look more royal.
Claims it's impossible to make a weapon perfect at everything, clearly doesn't know what a light saber is.
well have you ever made one?
I would say spadroons are good enough to get the job done but it will definantly not do that job with a high level of efficiency.
ok... scenario:
you're falling through a mountain with a lava/fire monster to whom you just screamed "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!" and proceeded to destroy a bridge...what happen should I use?
just two points...
1- that's a spadroon not a saber... the system is similar but there are some differences... if you wanna know more I'll post down below the manual (I forgot the word...I think... manuscript?) which me and my mates use at our HEMA club so you can read it up :)
oh never mind... you just said it.... well I'll leave the manuscript anyway :P
2- I'd also argue that the "best weapon for a situation" is also one you are used to...for example... I do saber and messer (personal preference) and I also know a bit of longsword...but if I went up against someone that was really good with a longsword I'd never use one. mainly because I suck at it compared to them. therefore I would be better off with a messer or saber even though I would have to work extra hard on closing down the distance since they would have a reach advantage... (maybe use a buckler)
but that's just a small point, I'd love to hear your thoughts about it.
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thank you! ^^
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I wouldn't wanna be nitpickie, but it's a Spadroon. Like a smallsword but with a terrible cutting edge for military use.
Fashion is the origin of the truble
What would the best sword all around at everything?
Michael Dickson British 1845 pattern infantry officer's sword is a pretty decent all rounder.
in general the 1796 light cavalry officer's saber is better than long sword in most situations imo.
i don't know anyone who can out fence me with a long sword when i am using a saber.
maybe the world's best longsword user could beat me, but i am far from the best saber fencer. longsword is just clumsy in comparison.
Those weapons where made for different things. Try to fight an opponent in full plate and a longsword with a saber.
To compare the 1796 saber you should compare it with similar weapons and most other sabers from that time period was , well a LOT better
Reddokk Fheg a comparable saber is the AN XI of France. By design the pattern 1796 has heavier cut due to the hatchet tip design. That being said the balance of the AN XI is closer to the hilt thus "easier" to control but a weaker cut. All things being relative. The Prussian 1811 would have been more comparable to infantry sabers (thought it is technically a light cavalry saber). All the above are good in their own regards.
yeah... officers didnt fight much, those swords are probably just decorative
Could it be that it was designed to be a bad weapon to discourage officiers to actually fight? Also it is light and small so it is easy to wear. It seems that it was completely designed for status and easy carrying and that the officiers were specifically requested not to use it. Use a gun and preferably no weapon at all, but command instead. I am in no way an expert on this subject but that seems to be logical to me.
Where you from SnapJelly ?
The Netherlands
SnapJelly I KNEW IT! i hoorde het aan je acsent! en, nee ik gebruik geen google trenslate, ik ben puur nederlands
Well it come when people primary use guns in war ,almost none people use sword in that time, so it just like dressing sword nothing more.
It actually kinda reminds me of a single bladed Chinese jian with a European guard.
Except I actually like jians. =) And this actually looks more flexible than most non-wushu (crap) jians.