I was on 15mg a day of Suboxone (Bupenorphine) for 10 years... I started tapering for 1.5 yrs. Down to .25 mg a day. I jumped off a month ago... 7 days of restless legs, and I was extremely lethargic. 4 weeks later I feel fantastic...
@@mattbortz10im very happy for you. You should write a book or make a video or something. You are apart of a very rare very small club. Few escape suboxone especially after 5+ years. Your a warrior
It always pisses the fuck out of me to hear people who have NEVER been on the drug and have no fucking idea how it is to be stuck on it, the side effects you go through that halter your happiness in life and the prison you're put in because you are completely mentally and physically dependent on this drug, just like the other drugs we wanted to quit! This is just exchanging one addiction for another except with this drug it takes fucking weeks and months to get through withdrawals!!! And they aren't "discomfort" or whatever bullshit that guy said who clearly has never gone through them, they are like a living nightmare for weeks on end, to the point where you just want to either relapse and use or die because of physical and mental pain you're in!! Nobody who hasn't been on Suboxone and hasn't gone through those withdrawals should be saying shit about it or pretending like reading about it is actually like living through it. If you haven't been through it you don't know shit.
@@outtosea25 Not easy no. That last mg is always going to be extremely difficult and anyone who's gone through it will confirm that. Especially if you've been on it for years and on a large dose. I however did it the hard way, cold turkey. I was done with it and wasn't about to try yet again to taper slowly.
@@annalucy89 I was trying to be sarcastic. I'm on it right now and have been on and off for 20 years. I got myself here but it sucks and doctors always say "you just taper right off" totally clueless. You made it off huh?
@@outtosea25 20 years,, So no point in quitting because it’s HELL yet being on it is HELL So Damned If you Do, Damned If you don’t. That last 2mg is a BITCH
I just had the Asian man as my doctor/counselor who prescribed me Subs. He's a great dude and paid attention to me. I didn't realize he also did Bicycle Health RUclips videos. I wanted to see him a few more times but I am transitioning to sublocade from a doctor here in San Diego. He's a good dude!!! He truly means well
You are extremely lucky! Everybody is different,but for me,suboxone was a nightmare to quit..... A lot more easier to return to Heroin and then quit Heroin. The big pharmas want you hooked for life!
I tapered off Suboxone. Probably too quickly. And when I stopped taking micro doses, it was awful! 3 weeks or more of intense withdrawal, 6 months of fatigue and depression. 12 months before feeling good again.
Yes...unfortunately,a mistake was done... Useless to tapper down.stay few days at a minimum dose to feel confortable then,when you feel ready,jump. Keep something around,just in case you can't go on anymore...but you can ! Usuals symptoms,you know them,it will PASS! The 7th first days are the absolute nightmare awake... Then,it will be 14-21 days still horrible but bearable,still no sleep,still R.L.S. After that hell,you can be proud of yourself. The fight is not over yet,but you will be in a lot better shape mentally and physically to cope with that. You decide.Period,you are the boss of yourself .And other,older than you,more fragile than you,have succeeded.ok?😊
@@everythingstrength1485 Sucks about your insurance. I am sorry to hear that. And even a 16th of a strip should keep you going. On the bright side, getting off dependency will be one of the best things you ever do for yourself! Truly. I recently saw a video about withdrawing from Suboxone by having the tapering schedule not only be down to way small doses but, also, skipping 1 day at first, then two days, three days and eventually stop. Sounds better than how I did it. TBH, I think you should expect some of the unpleasant effects once you stop Suboxone completely. Everyone seems to have their own story getting off Suboxone. Some say it was no big deal. Most say it sucks for 2-3 weeks, with fatigue and depression for several months Good Luck to you!
Fucking exactly!! It's designed to put you in a prison you cannot possibly get out of without going through hell, that more often than not leads to relapses. It's a disgusting drug that I've been stuck on for over 6 years and no one told me what I'd be getting myself into when I went into rehab in 2017 and agreed to be put on it. Greatest mistake of my life!!
I'm trying to do the same myself right now and I'd really love to talk to you about how your process went! I've been on this fucking hellish drug for years now and I've hated every minute of it but when I've tried to quit I always either relapse or start taking Suboxone again because I simply cannot handle the withdrawal symptoms! They just make me want to die! Worst withdrawal symptoms from any opioid I've ever used because of how fucking long it lasts!! It's insane!! like you're saying, a fucking MONTH in hell and even after that when most of the physical symptoms have subsided you have to deal with the emotional and mental symptoms which are also horrible to deal with because of the high risk of relapse. Is there any way I could talk to you about your journey through this hell??
@@annalucy89 hi yeh you can msg me I’m nearly 6 months off subutex 5 August….I still got P.A.W.S got few aches & some mild pain from time to time in my back also got this cold tingly sensation part from that I’m ok or and forgot still having trouble to sleep some nights example sleep tonight tomorrow won’t sleep next night might sleep only 4 hours then could get full 8 hours
I am on my second day of Cold turkey from buperonorphine. I know it’s difficult but I will make it one day. Please help with your suggestions everyone.
How did it go? I went to get my script filled and they told me my Dr no longer has a license to write controlled substances. And I’m taking 24mg a day so I’m sure I’m in for some hell
@@mikehassey7840 get off that 24 mg a day drop it too 16mg, stay there for a couple months then drop again, this time instead of a whole do it by half and so you’ll be a 1 1/2. Trust me you don’t wanna be on that high of dose for long. I’m on my 7th day of nothing i tapered down to .25mg and had pretty much no withdrawal , only down side is sleep is still shity but it’s not accompanied by the terrible withdrawal. Makes it manageable
Cold Turkey ? Some can do it. I’ve seen people get off with no problems at all & the rest go through Hell. They should prescribe something for Restless Leg, that will help. This stuff gets in your Bones & Rewires your Brain. It takes a long time to get all that back to Normal. I hope you make it Friend.... Good Luck
@@everythingisvibration I personally found it best to taper down to .25mg before coming off , I’m in day 7 without any and I’m feeling ok not great my energy is still low but I can tell its slowly increasing with everyday, you are right about the restless leg but for me it’s both my legs and my lower back, insomnia is still pretty much a real thing, found some over the counter stuff that helps when I’m just exhausted, be prepared when you do come off after hopefully tapering down that your ready to stay up for atleast 2 days,l know that sounds like hell but the difference this time is you won’t have the horrible withdrawal symptoms it will be very minor like the restless legs, but the burning feeling and pens and needles feeling won’t be there. I’m a way I’m glad we have to suffer slightly because it reminds us to never touch this stuff again, if everyone could go threw a painless withdrawal everyone would do it and most likely become addicted to whatever substance they were using.
I have quit subs cold turkey going on 3 weeks now and it's been a living hell. It's definitely not for the faint of heart but you can do it if you really want to
I’ve been on it for 7 years. 8mg a day until I got sick of it and started tapering. I’m at 4mg now and plan on being off in a year from now. Plan ahead and stick to it. The most important thing is to be honest and to stick with the plan. You aren’t super human and big pharma wants you addicted. Sobriety is just a few weeks away if you truly want it
With 2 mg or lower you might feel an euphoretic effect again. Lower doses have more agonistic affects on you mu-opioid receptors. By the way, I can share a personal experience. I reduced the dosage from 16 mg to 10 immediately. And then weekly by 2 mg. From my experience, starting from about 4, it's better to reduce the dosage much more slowly and in smaller amounts.
I’ve done the taper i take 0.5mg a day, my last test said i had 0 suboxone in my system yet i feel terrible after i try to stop how do i get over the mental block ?
No health professional here. Just wanted to say best wishes and luck. I've been through it and just know a lot of people go through the same or similar.
From all I have read and what I am experiencing the .5 is still enough for an effect. I'm down to 1 mg or less per day and still start withdrawal if I try stopping.
@@Carol-dj8gp I’m at day 4 I stopped at .25 mg I’m doing fine right now my test said I had no Suboxone in my system so I stoped taking them. Good luck to you
Time. No matter how low you taper, you’re likely not going to sleep for at least two weeks, and you’re going to be having a rough time for at least a month. That’s just the truth.
@@Acemechanicalservices I’m good I didn’t even withdrawal swear it was a placebo or something 😂😂 I’ve slept every night though just feels good not taking them anymore
@@JacobVindman after u took ur last .25, was that it or did u go lower? If that was it , how were the wd from the last .25? If ur like me you’ve gone through several painful wd and like me ur probably really sick of it. If I get down that low and still I’m pain l, I’m just gonna stay on 1mg. Why jump from there? I don’t want any more suffering from this shit. I will say, subs definitely helped me get my life back. Yes there’s a trade off but I’m not spending $200-300 a day, not buying dirty pills, not taking risks, not lying stealing and cheating and that’s all bc I’ve been able to build a barrier between the streets and myself and that’s really good. For me
@@texastoast5202 I tappered down from 8 mg to 0.2 mg. I'be been trying to get off that 0,2 for the last 6 months. I'm on my 8th day off buprenorphine and it's hell. Especially when i lay in bed. Muscle aching and cramps who cause insomnia. I think i slept 2h the last week, i'm exausted from work but i just can't sleep. I curse the day they switched the treament from methadone to suboxone. I detoxed from 12 mg of methadone, i had 2 rough nights and that's it! I'm almost 9 days in and i'm loosing patience right now...
Would a person get heavy withdrawal symptoms after being on suboxone for 7 days? Trying to avoid becoming dependent on it. It has worked to alleviate the withdrawls from pain pills. Now would like to stop the suboxone
Sought of like swapping 'the witch for the bitch' a very,very,very slow taper,with staying on microdose's until your comfortable to jump off...Good Luck .Ed.
If you have any teeth enamel left, go for it. Or join the class action law suit that is possibly happening. Oxycodone and hydrocodone have so few side effects for pain patients. Fight to get them back.
@@stevenherberts968 therefore how many days it tooks to get out from it..... after 15days I move to Portugal permanently does 15 days enough to recover from 1mg suboxone
Don’t listen to this until you have actually been through it. I hate it when people speak on it. You can quit cold turkey. Yes it’s going to be hard but you can. I am walking proof of this. I was at 24 mg. Dropped all the way to 8 on my own and then I said fuck this and stopped completely. You can do it you just have to want to.
Oh, and another thing I did it gradually dropped in milligrams. I did it overnight 24 mg to 8 mg in 24 hours and then I completely stopped I just didn’t do well with the Taper method all it does is drags things out
I’m on day 5 of cold turkey after 32mg a day for a long time and no signs of withdrawal I don’t know what’s going on! I’m so afraid it’s going to hit me and it’s not… when should I stop worrying about it?
PS one more reason I know this is because I’m in the middle of this shit right now. I’ve been on this mess for three years trying to get off the phone lethargic function they start screwing your brain. You’re so weak. You can’t do daily activities so don’t let the dog in so you need to be on it for years. If you truly want to be a claim if you want to be off opiates Suboxone is a good drug, do you take it for 345 days to overtakes Opiate that you’re on and then you drastically taper off of the Suboxone over about another 345 days, then you’ll feel like shit for a while but you’ll be able to handle it, that’s the honest to God’s truth
These guys are not on Suboxone lol
I was on 15mg a day of Suboxone (Bupenorphine) for 10 years... I started tapering for 1.5 yrs. Down to .25 mg a day. I jumped off a month ago... 7 days of restless legs, and I was extremely lethargic. 4 weeks later I feel fantastic...
I will give up in 0ne week nd u saying 4 man ..
Beautiful. I tapered myself. Day 60 still 2 hour sleep and sneeze all dayvlong. Break free. Beautiful. Stay strong ❤
I'm off 228 days, after 13 years, best decision I have ever made, well worth it.
@@kumarsharma5084 Everyone and every situation is different. This is my situation.
@@mattbortz10im very happy for you. You should write a book or make a video or something. You are apart of a very rare very small club. Few escape suboxone especially after 5+ years. Your a warrior
It always pisses the fuck out of me to hear people who have NEVER been on the drug and have no fucking idea how it is to be stuck on it, the side effects you go through that halter your happiness in life and the prison you're put in because you are completely mentally and physically dependent on this drug, just like the other drugs we wanted to quit! This is just exchanging one addiction for another except with this drug it takes fucking weeks and months to get through withdrawals!!! And they aren't "discomfort" or whatever bullshit that guy said who clearly has never gone through them, they are like a living nightmare for weeks on end, to the point where you just want to either relapse and use or die because of physical and mental pain you're in!! Nobody who hasn't been on Suboxone and hasn't gone through those withdrawals should be saying shit about it or pretending like reading about it is actually like living through it. If you haven't been through it you don't know shit.
You just taper right off... Easy...
@@outtosea25 Not easy no. That last mg is always going to be extremely difficult and anyone who's gone through it will confirm that. Especially if you've been on it for years and on a large dose. I however did it the hard way, cold turkey. I was done with it and wasn't about to try yet again to taper slowly.
@@annalucy89 I was trying to be sarcastic. I'm on it right now and have been on and off for 20 years. I got myself here but it sucks and doctors always say "you just taper right off" totally clueless. You made it off huh?
Did you guys drink with suboxone?
@@outtosea25 20 years,, So no point in quitting because it’s HELL yet being on it is HELL So Damned If you Do, Damned If you don’t. That last 2mg is a BITCH
I just had the Asian man as my doctor/counselor who prescribed me Subs. He's a great dude and paid attention to me. I didn't realize he also did Bicycle Health RUclips videos. I wanted to see him a few more times but I am transitioning to sublocade from a doctor here in San Diego. He's a good dude!!! He truly means well
I’ve been tapering down for 12 years now , and have zero withdrawal symptoms
???? HOW
i tappered off of it and I didnt feel any effects, it was a slow taper and I didnt feel anything, it went as I hoped it would.
That's incredible. How long was your taper?
Could not have been on it long then cause people who say they get no withdrawal is lying 🤥
You are extremely lucky!
Everybody is different,but for me,suboxone was a nightmare to quit.....
A lot more easier to return to Heroin and then quit Heroin.
The big pharmas want you hooked for life!
I tapered off Suboxone. Probably too quickly. And when I stopped taking micro doses, it was awful! 3 weeks or more of intense withdrawal, 6 months of fatigue and depression. 12 months before feeling good again.
Yes...unfortunately,a mistake was done...
Useless to tapper down.stay few days at a minimum dose to feel confortable then,when you feel ready,jump.
Keep something around,just in case you can't go on anymore...but you can !
Usuals symptoms,you know them,it will PASS!
The 7th first days are the absolute nightmare awake...
Then,it will be 14-21 days still horrible but bearable,still no sleep,still R.L.S.
After that hell,you can be proud of yourself.
The fight is not over yet,but you will be in a lot better shape mentally and physically to cope with that.
You decide.Period,you are the boss of yourself .And other,older than you,more fragile than you,have succeeded.ok?😊
@@olivier-pierredebelmont.3630
Right on.
Thank you, o-p.
I'm doing a 16th of a strip. And planning to go even smaller.
They took my health insurance. I can't afford the script.
I have no choice
@@everythingstrength1485
Sucks about your insurance. I am sorry to hear that. And even a 16th of a strip should keep you going.
On the bright side, getting off dependency will be one of the best things you ever do for yourself! Truly.
I recently saw a video about withdrawing from Suboxone by having the tapering schedule not only be down to way small doses but, also, skipping 1 day at first, then two days, three days and eventually stop.
Sounds better than how I did it.
TBH, I think you should expect some of the unpleasant effects once you stop Suboxone completely. Everyone seems to have their own story getting off Suboxone. Some say it was no big deal. Most say it sucks for 2-3 weeks, with fatigue and depression for several months
Good Luck to you!
@@everythingstrength1485 can you not get Medicare ?
It was designed to hook you and cause withdrawal that never ends
Fucking exactly!! It's designed to put you in a prison you cannot possibly get out of without going through hell, that more often than not leads to relapses. It's a disgusting drug that I've been stuck on for over 6 years and no one told me what I'd be getting myself into when I went into rehab in 2017 and agreed to be put on it. Greatest mistake of my life!!
It's not too bad id you tapered down to 1/4 mg. Very manageable
Oh it ends. It just takes 30-60 days
@@jamesshaver2376 if you taper down low enough it's only 30 to 60 days of low energy
@@jamesshaver237660 to 90 really....😢
But its ok😮😅,time to heal vary from one to another,in fact.
I just quit cold turkey from 12mg of subutex month of hell all acute withdrawals are gone but I still feel agitated & restless NO PAIN
How long were you on it?
@@ridemidgets1 since 2003
@@ridemidgets1 3 years g
I'm trying to do the same myself right now and I'd really love to talk to you about how your process went! I've been on this fucking hellish drug for years now and I've hated every minute of it but when I've tried to quit I always either relapse or start taking Suboxone again because I simply cannot handle the withdrawal symptoms! They just make me want to die! Worst withdrawal symptoms from any opioid I've ever used because of how fucking long it lasts!! It's insane!! like you're saying, a fucking MONTH in hell and even after that when most of the physical symptoms have subsided you have to deal with the emotional and mental symptoms which are also horrible to deal with because of the high risk of relapse. Is there any way I could talk to you about your journey through this hell??
@@annalucy89 hi yeh you can msg me I’m nearly 6 months off subutex 5 August….I still got P.A.W.S got few aches & some mild pain from time to time in my back also got this cold tingly sensation part from that I’m ok or and forgot still having trouble to sleep some nights example sleep tonight tomorrow won’t sleep next night might sleep only 4 hours then could get full 8 hours
I am on my second day of Cold turkey from buperonorphine. I know it’s difficult but I will make it one day. Please help with your suggestions everyone.
It’s not advised to do it cold turkey, i tapered down to .25mg and have had barley any withdrawal symptoms
How did it go? I went to get my script filled and they told me my Dr no longer has a license to write controlled substances. And I’m taking 24mg a day so I’m sure I’m in for some hell
@@mikehassey7840 get off that 24 mg a day drop it too 16mg, stay there for a couple months then drop again, this time instead of a whole do it by half and so you’ll be a 1 1/2. Trust me you don’t wanna be on that high of dose for long. I’m on my 7th day of nothing i tapered down to .25mg and had pretty much no withdrawal , only down side is sleep is still shity but it’s not accompanied by the terrible withdrawal. Makes it manageable
Cold Turkey ? Some can do it. I’ve seen people get off with no problems at all & the rest go through Hell. They should prescribe something for Restless Leg, that will help. This stuff gets in your Bones & Rewires your Brain. It takes a long time to get all that back to Normal. I hope you make it Friend.... Good Luck
@@everythingisvibration I personally found it best to taper down to .25mg before coming off , I’m in day 7 without any and I’m feeling ok not great my energy is still low but I can tell its slowly increasing with everyday, you are right about the restless leg but for me it’s both my legs and my lower back, insomnia is still pretty much a real thing, found some over the counter stuff that helps when I’m just exhausted, be prepared when you do come off after hopefully tapering down that your ready to stay up for atleast 2 days,l know that sounds like hell but the difference this time is you won’t have the horrible withdrawal symptoms it will be very minor like the restless legs, but the burning feeling and pens and needles feeling won’t be there. I’m a way I’m glad we have to suffer slightly because it reminds us to never touch this stuff again, if everyone could go threw a painless withdrawal everyone would do it and most likely become addicted to whatever substance they were using.
I have quit subs cold turkey going on 3 weeks now and it's been a living hell. It's definitely not for the faint of heart but you can do it if you really want to
I’ve been on it for 7 years. 8mg a day until I got sick of it and started tapering. I’m at 4mg now and plan on being off in a year from now. Plan ahead and stick to it. The most important thing is to be honest and to stick with the plan. You aren’t super human and big pharma wants you addicted. Sobriety is just a few weeks away if you truly want it
With 2 mg or lower you might feel an euphoretic effect again. Lower doses have more agonistic affects on you mu-opioid receptors. By the way, I can share a personal experience. I reduced the dosage from 16 mg to 10 immediately. And then weekly by 2 mg. From my experience, starting from about 4, it's better to reduce the dosage much more slowly and in smaller amounts.
It makes people weak. Man up. I'm on day 60. Still only 2 hours naps and sneeze and weak still. Man up. Break free of big pharma. Evil agenda
Really Hard to get past that 2mg... you literally sweat out that orange crap... Good Luck, got a Hard Journey ahead of you. I hope you make it out.
I’ve done the taper i take 0.5mg a day, my last test said i had 0 suboxone in my system yet i feel terrible after i try to stop how do i get over the mental block ?
No health professional here. Just wanted to say best wishes and luck. I've been through it and just know a lot of people go through the same or similar.
From all I have read and what I am experiencing the .5 is still enough for an effect. I'm down to 1 mg or less per day and still start withdrawal if I try stopping.
@@Carol-dj8gp I’m at day 4 I stopped at .25 mg I’m doing fine right now my test said I had no Suboxone in my system so I stoped taking them. Good luck to you
Time. No matter how low you taper, you’re likely not going to sleep for at least two weeks, and you’re going to be having a rough time for at least a month. That’s just the truth.
@@Acemechanicalservices I’m good I didn’t even withdrawal swear it was a placebo or something 😂😂 I’ve slept every night though just feels good not taking them anymore
OMG are you crazy, if you stop even from 1mg, you’re going to be in PAIN!
You need to drop to .25 mg like taking a 1 mg and cutting it into 4's but dont expect it to be pain free but it nakes it easi r
@@JacobVindman after u took ur last .25, was that it or did u go lower? If that was it , how were the wd from the last .25? If ur like me you’ve gone through several painful wd and like me ur probably really sick of it. If I get down that low and still I’m pain l, I’m just gonna stay on 1mg. Why jump from there? I don’t want any more suffering from this shit. I will say, subs definitely helped me get my life back. Yes there’s a trade off but I’m not spending $200-300 a day, not buying dirty pills, not taking risks, not lying stealing and cheating and that’s all bc I’ve been able to build a barrier between the streets and myself and that’s really good. For me
Only thing I experienced was being very fatigued
@@texastoast5202 I tappered down from 8 mg to 0.2 mg. I'be been trying to get off that 0,2 for the last 6 months. I'm on my 8th day off buprenorphine and it's hell. Especially when i lay in bed. Muscle aching and cramps who cause insomnia. I think i slept 2h the last week, i'm exausted from work but i just can't sleep. I curse the day they switched the treament from methadone to suboxone. I detoxed from 12 mg of methadone, i had 2 rough nights and that's it! I'm almost 9 days in and i'm loosing patience right now...
EXACTLY!! There is no way of getting of this horrible drug without going through hell for a long time!!
Would a person get heavy withdrawal symptoms after being on suboxone for 7 days? Trying to avoid becoming dependent on it. It has worked to alleviate the withdrawls from pain pills. Now would like to stop the suboxone
Sought of like swapping 'the witch for the bitch' a very,very,very slow taper,with staying on microdose's until your comfortable to jump off...Good Luck .Ed.
If you have any teeth enamel left, go for it. Or join the class action law suit that is possibly happening. Oxycodone and hydrocodone have so few side effects for pain patients. Fight to get them back.
I took 24mg of suboxen en for 3 years. I’ve been withdrawing BAD!!. I feel like I’m dying…
Did you make it?
I'm gonna try soon.
My main problem is the insomnia. Im going to get my brother to knock me out.
I take 1 mg suboxone if i leave with cold turky in how many days my body functions well and no more pain ?
Everybody is different.
@@stevenherberts968 therefore how many days it tooks to get out from it..... after 15days I move to Portugal permanently does 15 days enough to recover from 1mg suboxone
Of course you can
Ever gone to jail while on suboxone? Won’t be gettin it in jail lol
Now that would suck but I’m sure it happens
The best way to taper is to just switch to sublocade and get a few months worths of shots and then you can stop.
My Dr. keeps attempting to push more n more on me
Don’t listen to this until you have actually been through it. I hate it when people speak on it. You can quit cold turkey. Yes it’s going to be hard but you can. I am walking proof of this. I was at 24 mg. Dropped all the way to 8 on my own and then I said fuck this and stopped completely. You can do it you just have to want to.
Oh, and another thing I did it gradually dropped in milligrams. I did it overnight 24 mg to 8 mg in 24 hours and then I completely stopped I just didn’t do well with the Taper method all it does is drags things out
It’s like 60 percent as bad as heroin withdrawal but lasts longer shit lasts like 3-4 weeks
I’m on day 5 of cold turkey after 32mg a day for a long time and no signs of withdrawal I don’t know what’s going on! I’m so afraid it’s going to hit me and it’s not… when should I stop worrying about it?
No one answers this but how do you taper patches
I'm not sure you can taper butrans, only strips and pills
Cold turkey it. This is a psy opp video.
. 3 to 5 days and your free
Thanks im on day 3 and thats just what i needed
You get really sick
What a waste of youtube space
PS one more reason I know this is because I’m in the middle of this shit right now. I’ve been on this mess for three years trying to get off the phone lethargic function they start screwing your brain. You’re so weak. You can’t do daily activities so don’t let the dog in so you need to be on it for years. If you truly want to be a claim if you want to be off opiates Suboxone is a good drug, do you take it for 345 days to overtakes Opiate that you’re on and then you drastically taper off of the Suboxone over about another 345 days, then you’ll feel like shit for a while but you’ll be able to handle it, that’s the honest to God’s truth