I've had mine for 2 months now and you got it right! Basically within a day or two the thickness disappeared because like you said, we see our watches from the front and from the front the thickness is a non-issue. It's such a good looking watch and most importantly it's just about the most comfortable watch I've ever owned!
It’s not heavy at all, most of my Seikos are heavier! I own the Black Bay Pro now about a month and I love it. For me the thickness isn’t a problem at all, my wrist size is 7,2(18cm)
Shifted my 58 for the Pro - completely rashly and very happy I did. Happened to walk into an AD and they had one to buy - as soon as I had it on wrist it gave me a feeling the 58 didn’t, it has so much more character and presence and yet at it’s heart it’s still a great tool watch
I'm new to watches...well at least having strong desire to own high end watches. One look at the Rolex catalog and I'm smitten. I've falling in love with the Yacht Master in rose gold. One look at the price, and I'm high tailing out of there. Even with the funds sitting in the bank, I am not paying that kind of money for a watch. I don't care what anyone says. I have better uses for money like that, and it's not going to sit on my wrist. Plus, I have heard the stories on how exclusive they allegedly are, and the treatment you get at the stores. No thanks, my life is good as is. So, Tudor is looking more desirable each day. Given the quality and service to back it up, the prices look very enticing and somewhat reasonable.
I have both the BB pro and Tudor GMT, you feel the heft of the GMT at 41mm, the pro doesn’t feel too thick or slab sided and on a bracelet it wears very comfortably - both are amazing watches and I wear the GMT when I’m craving the heft and weight
I own the GMT and I think it wears very nice even on a small wrist. This watch made be totally give up on getting a GMT Master, I absolutely love everything about it
This in a white dial would be an immediate purchase. God I love Tudor. Started with the BB GMT, next will be a Pelagos and I’d love a BB Pro in white. A BB Pro in black just feels a bit too close to the GMT (that being said those markers are amazing)
I bought the BB GMT one year and 4 months ago and still prefer this watch over the BB Pro which is a beautiful watch but I'm more than happy with my GMT in every single way. Thanks for another excellent video.
The black bay pro is perfect for us guys with smaller wrists. Tried one on at a Tudor AD near me and my god, is it comfortable. Definitely on the radar for one now.
I agree. Unfortunately it doesn’t work for me. I have 38 and 39mm watches but because I have 8.5 inch wrists they need to be thin. The Pro looks very funny on me. I fit into the small category of people that a 43-44mm tends to fit perfect.
@@floridaman727 if you have an 8.5” wrist, you wouldn’t be considered just on the cusp of being able to wear a 43-44mm case. Sure you measured accurately? That doesn’t mean you couldn’t prefer a smaller case,
@@waterfordrs22 haha yes I have measured my wrist correctly but thank you for the concern. And I do wear smaller watches regularly if you had read my post. The proportions for my larger wrist are off with this being so tall.
@@floridaman727 if I hadn’t read your comment, I wouldn’t have commented myself. That said. I was on my lunch break here half watching a big storm blow through, I misread your last remark
As someone with small wrists (6.25”), I was worried about the thickness. But when I put it on, it really isn’t an issue in actual practice. I would prefer it a couple mms thinner, but it simply isn’t a problem IMO
I was lucky enough to get mine back in April on Bracelet. I love it. The perfect watch for holiday travel. That doesn't draw too much unwanted attention. On the wrist and without Macro vision the painting on the hands is fine, just more tool-like than the polished hands on the other models. I have the 58 too and both are different enough to keep in the collection. Great video as always.
Same… it feels “safe” to travel with which given the GMT functionality is perfect. You definitely can’t say the same for the Rolex GMT. I brought a Rolex 214270 mk2 for evenings and it was a perfect pairing
I have a 58 too and I can see why it’s possible to have both. The 58 wears perfect for me but the pro looks like it could be a fantastic travel companion
I am so happy that I ended up buying a blue 58 at retail this winter. It is effortlessly cool and I like the design for the exact opposite reasons in this video. I don’t like the steel bezel, nor the painted hands. I love my white gold rings on the bezel and the blue shades. The height is important for me and the proportions are just right with the 58 on a bracelet. I hope everyone’s gets what they like. I am very much content 👍🏻
Excellent review… and let me tell you after over a month on the wrist I just don’t wear anything else! Well, I lie… the square GShock takes P1 when a hammer is present, but once I smash my thumb and my wife gives me that look… the Black Bay Pro goes back on and the world it’s right once more. Let me summarize. My favorite watch was the 16570 (1994, stolen in 98) and it wasn’t until 2022 that I bought myself a proper GMT. And this one feels and looks better than the last. Now all I have left to do is sell my collection and use the funds to travel to far off lands so that I may once again use the GMT function as intended. Thanks again for the review, I was anxiously awaiting your thoughts.
I’m getting mine on Monday and I can’t wait. I normally wear a 41mm watch so the added weight from the thickness actually compensated for the slight loss in diameter. Great video as always
I visited a Tudor AD in Bermuda last week fully prepared to purchase a BB Pro. Alas, not only did they not have one, they had not yet even seen one. I purchased a Bremont S301 Supermarine instead. Still on the hunt for one, but not for awhile. Good vid. keep at it!
thickness is an on-paper only problem. I had more of a 39mm concern (8.25 inch wrist). One try.. that went away and the thickness is 100% NOT an issue. Fantastic watch. Sits nicely on the wrist. Looks like a new old stock vintage piece. I love it. It will slip into my collection next to the BBGMT, North Flag, and BB Chrono. Welcome home, buddy!
I was never a fan of the snowflake hand but now see it as a Trader trait, I bought my very first Tudor a few months ago and just love it, I bought the BlackBay 41mm, I see Tudor as the new tool watch which I once saw Omega do the job well (too fancy now) The thickness fades away once on the wrist but to be honest I enjoy thicker watches. The in house movement doesn't get praised enough by reviewers I cannot state how accurate the movement is esp at the price point, it winds butter smooth and the rotor super quiet and everything just as a solid Click from the bracelet clasp to the dive bezel.
I’ve got the GMT. Don’t think twice about the thickness. I WAS worried about the durability of the Aluminium bezel for everyday wear - but I bought it before the pro was available. Shouldn’t have been concerned, hasn’t picked up so much as a mark (yet). For me a 41 works better (I like a bigger watch) so I’d still choose the GMT. I happen to like (and use) the Pepsi bezel a lot (I travel all the time, like every week). I haven’t adjusted the time since I bought it. There’s no requirement: it hardly loses or gains a second. Quite astonishing. But there’s no doubt that the Pro is a total steal. And the best bit of all? You don’t have to interact with the utterly grotesque Rolex dealers.
Yup I’ve got one too and I love it, was a bit concerned about the thickness too when I bought it but I literally don’t notice and never have. The bevels on the bottom of the sides make it look thinner than it is anyway compared to the regular black bay. Mines 2.5years old now, I wear it every day and it very rarely leaves my wrist and there isn’t a mark on the bezel. Since I last adjusted it at the end of April (to skip the date forward) it had lost 10s which is pretty incredible.
Love mine, I also travel and I really like how functional and precise the movement is. In addition, and although I banged it all around the place, the aluminium bezel hasnt picked up a single scratch
You mean you turn the bezel? I travel a bunch within the use and just use the snap hour adjustment at the 2nd crown position. I’ve had a tough time seeing the value in the rotating bezel for most uses, hence my honest question.
I tried on the bb 41mm GMT and said hard no immediately for my size wrist. Felt top heavy and chunky. Bought the pro in May. Still haven't taken it off. I'd love the midcase to be a couple mm smaller but it is minor and most importantly, it is probably the most comfortable tool watch I've ever worn. Worth every dollar. The 2mm of glass and bevelled down fixed bezel make so much of a difference.
I have wanting a Black Bay 41 for a long time and went to try on the new one. It was okay, then I saw this in the case. It wasn't on my radar but it looked good. As soon as I put it on, I loved it. It's sitting on my wrist as I type this. Terrific watch, great value. Don't dismiss it until you try it on.
I just picked up mine on a steel bracelet a week ago, waited about a month to get it from my local AD in CA. I have 7 inch wrists and I think it is perfect for me. The thickness doesn't bother me at all. Now if Tudor adds the Pro's crown the Tfit clasp and a bit larger teeth on the bezel to the BB58, that will definitely be my next watch. Thank you.
I was putting off purchasing either the GMT or Pro cos everyone was talking about its thickness. For some reason I still went to my AD and wanted to trial it. I remember I tried the pro first and it was nice but then when I tried the GMT, even though a bit more larger, I absolutely loved it! I have 16.5 cm wrists and I like how it felt, the weight and the case proportions. Didn't feel like it was thick at all, in fact you completely forget about it! I guess what I am trying to get at is, you must must must go check these watches in person and reserve your judgement till then.
I absolutely love this. And I've kept note of it. I plan on getting a promotion abroad in the next couple of years and really, this would be the perfect daily wear if and when I get it. With that promotion, this would (just about) come into the range of affordability, and it would look stunning. It's rare that you can get such a great watch for that price anymore.
Received my BB Pro to add to the collection and it is a stunner. It wears beautifully. Anyone with a shred of doubt, don’t stare at RUclips go and put one on. Value for money is outstanding.
It’s a wonderful highly accurate true GMT sports watch and extremely comfortable on the adjustable bracelet. It has barely lost a second since purchased and is anti-magnetic, 200m water resistant, awesome lume, brushed bezel goes under the radar, 39mm perfect dial size. The crown is excellent just perfect. Honestly, I’ll probably be looking to get the polar white dial version which I hope Tudor releases in 2023. The domed glass helps it slide under a collar, the thickness is something you don’t really feel when wearing day to day. The barber / hairdresser analogy is spot on as 99% of time you observe the dial. 5 year warranty, AD told me no need to service for 10 years.
I was very close to getting a Black Bay Pro but ultimately went with a pre-owned Rolex 16570 because it was slimmer on my skinny wrist and the white dial just spoke to me more. The Tudor is a great watch though. If it came in white I probably would have gotten it for the sheer value.
I purchased a 2003 black 16570, as my first "I've arrived financially" watch in my 20s in 2005. Love but don't wear it often anymore as I prefer a 42mm+ on my 16.75in wrist. Dont question you made the right choice. I've only had mine serviced twice with the spring replaced once in 17 years; its the best all around watch on the planet if you dont have a collection. Just recently got an Oris Aquis 400 in blue and was considering a Tudor BB or Seamaster. Tudors are a great watch but they are vanilla IMO and with so many other great watches at this price its not compelling enough. One day we can add one (Tudor) to our collection, but not yet my friend.
I have a blue BB58 and on my skinny 160mm wrist it's perfect. Tried this one on and the thickness actually is a deal-breaker for me, feels top-heavy. I have a Christopher Ward Sealander GMT which is actually a bit thinner than the BB58 and a great watch too.
Thanks for that tidbit on the Sealander. I’m in the same boat as you for wrist size as well as opinion on the Pro. Would love it, but just a touch too much mass n weight. That CW just might fit the bill! 👍
@@alexisesguerra2544 get the black one. It's freaking gorgeous. I have a rolex, a BB 58, a Cartier Santos ADLC, a Bell and Ross GMT, and the CW is just as pretty to look at as any of them.
I have the BB58 Black and the BB58 Bronze. They are perfect for my wrist and definitely my favorite 2 watches in my collection. I love the stylistic choices of this watch (the Pro) in every way... Except the thickness. I feel like I could have ignored the thickness if I didn't own 2 watches in the 58 collection already. I really hope that we see a proper BB58 GMT in the future with a modded MT5402 movement... Call it the MT5452.
I'll have to try on this watch. Some 39mm pieces will work on my 7-1/4-inch wrist. But many just don't look right. Given its thickness and styling, it might work. But 41-42mm generally looks the best for me. However, one can't deny that this Tudor is a handsome watch.
I hope Tudor makes a polar dial BB Pro!!! Tudor is doing great things for us collectors. They're giving us the chance to buy effortless and cool pieces at great prices without playing the waiting list game. With the savings, we can go out and buy pieces from Moser, JLC, or something for Rolex money.
I own the BB58 Blue, BB ceramic (and North Flag) Love them. I tried the Pro on and did not like the block indices at all. Much prefer the ringed versions on the other BBs.
Well if they made it thinner then it will be a direct competitor to the Rolex explorer II and i don’t think they would want that, i have it, it’s super comfortable, if people didn’t talk much about the thickness issue i probably wouldn’t even have noticed it
The 1655 is my favorite rolex ref but I always wish it had a true gmt feature and not just a 24hour hand. This may be the perfect sports watch for me. It’s also a fraction of the cost while having modern reliability. It would be a no brainer if I didn’t already own a 58.
I went in to the AD on Thursday to register my interest in the pro, which I do still want. I did however walk out with a reverse panda chronograph that more than a few people on the list failed to collect.
I’ve been wearing mine for six weeks. The thickness gave me pause when I bought it, but I don’t even notice that anymore. The combination of being a 39, having a slightly sloped bezel, and part of the thickness coming from the dome crystal all make it wear smaller than when you hold it in your hands. Also the lug to lug length combined with the fact the bracelet has full range of motion means it really conforms to the wrist. After a week or two, I found it wears beautifully.
When the Black Bay Pro came out, I felt intrigued, because it kind of is exactly what I am looking for… I daily a Nomos Tangente, but wanted something more rugged and water proof for holidays and more casual moments, and suddenly, here it is. And it has a GMT function, which makes it even more interesting for my warm weather pursuits… but at the same time Seiko SPB143 is just so amazing and it costs only half of the Tudor and I am utterly torn which one to take… But then again, this is a problem that I am sure half the world would love to have right now, so I guess we watch guys can be happy we even have two amazing choices like this
Agree re: the SPB14x series. Just imagine if Seiko cooks up a GMT version. How cool would that be? I’m trying to get the BB Pro before that happens,that way I’ll be able to have both!
A man who daily’s a nomos is a man who has an eye for quality, likes to take an alternative path and doesn’t give af about status symbols. You have excellent taste sir.
As Andrew pointed out most wearers do their viewing from the front! At 39mm and if it's fitted correctly you shouldn't really notice the thickness. If it's still on your radar, try one on at your Tudor A.D. It's either for you.............or not. There are plenty of other outstanding offerings out there.
@@grahamyoung622 I see what you both mean, I just have the bb58 and I feel like the slab sided nature already makes the 12mm thickness look thicker than it actually is. The Pro has the same exact type of side profile but 2.5ish thicker.
I’ve been eyeing up the Vacheron Constantin Fifty Six 4600E/110A-B487 (the steel bracelet version) but haven’t found any reviews of this watch. If you have any views on it would love to hear your take
I have the bb gmt and the chrono and the thickness looks bad on paper but not on the wrist. I was worried about it but saw the gmt at the ad and it was no where near as bad as the internet told me it was. It does make it look like more of a tool watch but that’s what they’re going for. Don’t let the stat sheet scare you away.
The negative thing just jumped out at me! The black paint where the hands stack looks extremely sloppy, the rest of the watch is fantastic and it was about time they improved the bracelet
Absolutely. Comparing it with watchfinder's omega dynamic video or teddy's sinn 556 review just shows smoother finish on matte hands can be done for cheaper and 20 years ago. This seems so bad you can see it without those macro shots! Let's hope this horrid finishing doesn't find its way up to its big brother...
I've got a BB GMT and BB58 Navy. The value for money is unreal. I've been looking at watches from other brands like IWC, Omega and Breitling etc. I understand METAS etc with Omega, but do I need it and do I need to pay the extra????
@@canadianwatchmonkey3992 had mine nearly a year now and love it. I previously owned an Omega Planet Ocean 42mm but found it too large and the older engraved back dug in to my wrist. The BB58 is lovely proportion. I'm very fortunate and alternate daily between BB GMT and BB 58. My 14 year old graduation gifted Tag Heuer Carrera sits on the watch winder now ...
Got it two days ago it is a bit chunky but after a day or so you forget that and just love it’s look and on the slide adjustment and if you already have/had Tudor gmt or omega PO you used to a bit of chunk
It’s like going from the”No Date” to an Explorer II. Not a GMT Master II. Which is only $550 usd, $8,950(124060)-$9,500(226570) and it’s not a “chunker” either! I love my 216570🥰
Why do we always have specks / dust particles on the watch glass? I have noticed this on most of the channel's videos. Is it a visual device to indicate to the viewer that there is glass and this is a real video shot by the channel? I am unable to understand how these specks are not removed unless there is some purpose to their presence.. Someone care to enlighten me? 🙂
Faux Rivet bracelet- no problem No rotating 24hr bezel- no problem Thickness- no problem However the paint on the hands is the deal breaker, poor finishing. Went home with the Tudor GMT Pepsi after seeing both in person.
…’The Ryan Gosling of watches’ great comparison! 👌😄 My favorite voiceover watchreviewer, with that calm perfect cadence and spiced with that downplayed british humour at it’s best! #1 😊
Everyone is talking about the thickness and I think it's more because it took people by surprise that a brand like Tudor couldn't make it thinner rather than that thikness being a problem. Maybe that's why Tudor didn't release a BB58 GMT. A rotating bezel might have added even more to the thickness of the watch.
They developed the MT5402 for the BB58 (I assume)... I would have thought they would have built a new GMT movement from the 58 movement, which may have let them keep it thinner. Say, the MT5452. Maybe that is in the pipeline. And we will get a BB58 GMT in the future that is actually called the BB58 GMT. The "Pro" line is going in a different direction and isn't shy about its "beefyness". They also made sure to separate it from the 58 line completely.
@@Want300 I hope you're right. People wanted a BB58 GMT because the BB58 has such great proportions all around. Maybe Tudor compromised a bit on the BB Pro to please the people in the short term and we'll get a BB58 GMT in a few years time. Let's just hope they don't do a Rolex and take a decade to give people what they want.
A few months ago, I went to a local Rolex AD, which also sells Tudor. I inquired, but they didn't have a Black Bay Pro. Just to bullshit with the sales guy, I said "I heard the Pro is a bit thick." His response, "The only people that say that are the ones that can't afford it." I laughed in his face and walked out.
Beautiful watch. Have to agree with your summary! It was a hard choice to turn down the watch from the AD as it’s such a value proposition. Having a BB58 and an Explorer II, where would this have fit in the collection…?
I haven't tried this on but what I have seen and heard, this watch is a must for the money who offers anything Better, I have a black bay 58 blue, 2yrs on and I still love this watch. Hopefully I can go watch shopping next year This gmt has to be my next watch hmm maybe the Fxd is in the running also because I were my 58 on different Strapes any but the gmt pro is better value imo excellent review as always
Have the Tudor Pepsi GMT, BB58, and now the PRO GMT. I have pretty small wrist but the thickness of the PRO doesn't bother me much, the watch looks stunning! I only wish they didn't design it so that you can't use the BB58 stainless strap on the PRO as I bought mine on the rubber/leather. Ended up having to shell out to get the steel strap on the PRO.
The black bay GMT is the thickest object known to history so trying this on felt great compared and a welcome next step for tudor, just wish it was the Pepsi.
Disappointed by the size and lack of crown guards. They could have utilized the female end link better by decreasing the length and giving us more girth. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
To be fair, it depends what attire you typically find yourself in and your wrist size. I've had to get rid of most of my thick watches because of shirt cuff and wrist size... But that may not be an issue for most people.
This with a red GMT hand and a Pepsi bezel would be so awesome. Of course, I'm wearing my Christopher Ward C65 Trident GMT right now, which already has all that, so I'm OK... for now.
Looks nice. Very good bracelet. Very good movement. Very good retail price. Very practical. Very unassuming. Not that thick considering it’s functionality. It makes the explorer II and other similar watches a bit of a joke really. Well done Tudor I wish I had one
This review was the the drop of water that tipped the pail and made me purchase the pro. One thing I want to be clear on though will all this commentary on its girth is that you need to try it on. I actually love that it puffs its chest out a bit, on a 41mm or 43mm case I agree it would be too much, but on a 39mm it's honestly perfect. After deliberating and cogitating on a daily driver watch the minute I saw this on wrist I reached for my wallet.
Not to split hairs but arent these movements "Manufacture" and made by Norqain. Even on the Tudor website it refers to their movements as "Manufacture" which means it is manufactured to their specs by another company.
The size of pro is about the same size as my GS SBGE253 (40 mm dia. and 14.6 mm thick) which I initially thought too thick but got used to it although it is good 2 mm thicker than 16570. SBGE253 does feel top heavy though, as it has heavy ceramic bezel and clasp being relatively lightweight. Given the pro's bezel being stainless steel and set lower than the crystal as well as clasp being beefier, it may be better balanced than SBGE253 and may also sits more comfortably on the wrist.
I love mine feels amazing on the Weight and the thickness is not an issue once it’s on you forget about the thickness. I also have ten GMT Pepsi which I love wearing too for it’s grand size.
The thickness is a concern, but it quickly disappears. If it wasn't so thick, that bigger crown would be a bit of a deal-breaker, as it would tend to dig into the wrists of those wearing it on their left hand.
I own it. The thicknest is really not an issue in my opinion, at least on the bracelet. On a strap however, it might be for some eyes, because you easily catch the thickness of the watch between the lugs... Meh, not an issue for me either. But the weight ! The BB PRO is easily the heaviest watch in my collection and I was quite surprise by that. I had to get used to it honestly but now I love it. The look is stunning, the functionality too, playing with the crown is very satisfying... I love how, at midnight, all the snowflakes on the hands line up perfectly.
When this first got announced, I really liked it, then I saw the price and I liked it even more! It really is a bargain for what it is! I've loved the BB58 for a long time now and this has more than likely took its place on my wishlist, I haven't been to an AD to try this on yet but I have tried a few models of the 58 and it's really nice, they fit great, my daily is my SKX007 and that is a CHUNKY watch so the size of the Pro wouldn't phase me at all. The part about the barber showing you the back of your head cracked me up :'D couldn't be more accurate! Edit: I tried it out a few weeks back, it felt great and looked amazing! It was really hard to walk out of Goldsmiths without it on my wrist 😅 I promised myself my next watch was going to be a Speedy so I'm sticking to that, then I'll be picking up the Black Bay Pro for my first GMT watch 😎
I have wanted a Rolex 1655 for some time, but couldn't find one priced to my liking. I thought the BB Pro would be the answer for me. I have tired it on twice though and that slab-sided mid-case thickness killed it for me. Luckily I got a 1655 at a great price and am not looking back!
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I've had mine for 2 months now and you got it right! Basically within a day or two the thickness disappeared because like you said, we see our watches from the front and from the front the thickness is a non-issue. It's such a good looking watch and most importantly it's just about the most comfortable watch I've ever owned!
If only the weight of the thickness could also disappear when you look at it from the front 😉
It’s not heavy at all, most of my Seikos are heavier!
I own the Black Bay Pro now about a month and I love it.
For me the thickness isn’t a problem at all, my wrist size is 7,2(18cm)
whats your wrist size
Do you think it's a good buy for a first timer watch buyer
@@___Anakin.Skywalker for me it was my first Swiss „luxury“ watch and I don’t regret anything!
Shifted my 58 for the Pro - completely rashly and very happy I did. Happened to walk into an AD and they had one to buy - as soon as I had it on wrist it gave me a feeling the 58 didn’t, it has so much more character and presence and yet at it’s heart it’s still a great tool watch
I feel like Tudor can't put a foot wrong right now. Vintage models aside, I think Tudor is now MUCH cooler than Rolex & the BB Pro is a beauty.
But they’re mostly all vintage models…
Yes it's a Rolex except it's not .
That alone makes it cool .
It's like Rolex are sticking the middle finger to themselves.
@@julienfroidevaux1143It's a Rolex without your money going to sports advertising.
I'm new to watches...well at least having strong desire to own high end watches.
One look at the Rolex catalog and I'm smitten. I've falling in love with the Yacht Master in rose gold. One look at the price, and I'm high tailing out of there. Even with the funds sitting in the bank, I am not paying that kind of money for a watch. I don't care what anyone says. I have better uses for money like that, and it's not going to sit on my wrist. Plus, I have heard the stories on how exclusive they allegedly are, and the treatment you get at the stores. No thanks, my life is good as is.
So, Tudor is looking more desirable each day. Given the quality and service to back it up, the prices look very enticing and somewhat reasonable.
I have both the BB pro and Tudor GMT, you feel the heft of the GMT at 41mm, the pro doesn’t feel too thick or slab sided and on a bracelet it wears very comfortably - both are amazing watches and I wear the GMT when I’m craving the heft and weight
I own the GMT and I think it wears very nice even on a small wrist. This watch made be totally give up on getting a GMT Master, I absolutely love everything about it
This in a white dial would be an immediate purchase. God I love Tudor. Started with the BB GMT, next will be a Pelagos and I’d love a BB Pro in white. A BB Pro in black just feels a bit too close to the GMT (that being said those markers are amazing)
I bought the BB GMT one year and 4 months ago and still prefer this watch over the BB Pro which is a beautiful watch but I'm more than happy with my GMT in every single way.
Thanks for another excellent video.
The black bay pro is perfect for us guys with smaller wrists. Tried one on at a Tudor AD near me and my god, is it comfortable. Definitely on the radar for one now.
I agree. Unfortunately it doesn’t work for me. I have 38 and 39mm watches but because I have 8.5 inch wrists they need to be thin. The Pro looks very funny on me. I fit into the small category of people that a 43-44mm tends to fit perfect.
@@floridaman727 if you have an 8.5” wrist, you wouldn’t be considered just on the cusp of being able to wear a 43-44mm case. Sure you measured accurately?
That doesn’t mean you couldn’t prefer a smaller case,
@@waterfordrs22 haha yes I have measured my wrist correctly but thank you for the concern. And I do wear smaller watches regularly if you had read my post. The proportions for my larger wrist are off with this being so tall.
@@floridaman727 if I hadn’t read your comment, I wouldn’t have commented myself. That said. I was on my lunch break here half watching a big storm blow through, I misread your last remark
@@waterfordrs22 you don’t live around Clearwater do you. We just had the craziest thunder and lightning storm
As someone with small wrists (6.25”), I was worried about the thickness. But when I put it on, it really isn’t an issue in actual practice. I would prefer it a couple mms thinner, but it simply isn’t a problem IMO
I was lucky enough to get mine back in April on Bracelet. I love it. The perfect watch for holiday travel. That doesn't draw too much unwanted attention. On the wrist and without Macro vision the painting on the hands is fine, just more tool-like than the polished hands on the other models. I have the 58 too and both are different enough to keep in the collection. Great video as always.
Same… it feels “safe” to travel with which given the GMT functionality is perfect. You definitely can’t say the same for the Rolex GMT. I brought a Rolex 214270 mk2 for evenings and it was a perfect pairing
I bought a 58 in December and wished if I’d just hung on and got this. Can’t justify both and love my 58, but love a GMT complication.
I have a 58 too and I can see why it’s possible to have both. The 58 wears perfect for me but the pro looks like it could be a fantastic travel companion
I am so happy that I ended up buying a blue 58 at retail this winter. It is effortlessly cool and I like the design for the exact opposite reasons in this video. I don’t like the steel bezel, nor the painted hands. I love my white gold rings on the bezel and the blue shades. The height is important for me and the proportions are just right with the 58 on a bracelet. I hope everyone’s gets what they like. I am very much content 👍🏻
The blue is great, I own the Pro but I still love the blue
Excellent review… and let me tell you after over a month on the wrist I just don’t wear anything else!
Well, I lie… the square GShock takes P1 when a hammer is present, but once I smash my thumb and my wife gives me that look… the Black Bay Pro goes back on and the world it’s right once more.
Let me summarize. My favorite watch was the 16570 (1994, stolen in 98) and it wasn’t until 2022 that I bought myself a proper GMT. And this one feels and looks better than the last.
Now all I have left to do is sell my collection and use the funds to travel to far off lands so that I may once again use the GMT function as intended.
Thanks again for the review, I was anxiously awaiting your thoughts.
So good. So well articulated. Great review. Best BB Pro review so far 👍🏼🌟
Thank you dear for taking us along. Can't wait what the nkuwan queen picked up at Fendi
I’m getting mine on Monday and I can’t wait. I normally wear a 41mm watch so the added weight from the thickness actually compensated for the slight loss in diameter. Great video as always
Where did you buy yours from?
How you finishing it?
I visited a Tudor AD in Bermuda last week fully prepared to purchase a BB Pro. Alas, not only did they not have one, they had not yet even seen one. I purchased a Bremont S301 Supermarine instead. Still on the hunt for one, but not for awhile. Good vid. keep at it!
thickness is an on-paper only problem. I had more of a 39mm concern (8.25 inch wrist). One try.. that went away and the thickness is 100% NOT an issue. Fantastic watch. Sits nicely on the wrist. Looks like a new old stock vintage piece. I love it. It will slip into my collection next to the BBGMT, North Flag, and BB Chrono. Welcome home, buddy!
I was never a fan of the snowflake hand but now see it as a Trader trait, I bought my very first Tudor a few months ago and just love it, I bought the BlackBay 41mm, I see Tudor as the new tool watch which I once saw Omega do the job well (too fancy now) The thickness fades away once on the wrist but to be honest I enjoy thicker watches. The in house movement doesn't get praised enough by reviewers I cannot state how accurate the movement is esp at the price point, it winds butter smooth and the rotor super quiet and everything just as a solid Click from the bracelet clasp to the dive bezel.
I’ve got the GMT. Don’t think twice about the thickness. I WAS worried about the durability of the Aluminium bezel for everyday wear - but I bought it before the pro was available. Shouldn’t have been concerned, hasn’t picked up so much as a mark (yet). For me a 41 works better (I like a bigger watch) so I’d still choose the GMT. I happen to like (and use) the Pepsi bezel a lot (I travel all the time, like every week). I haven’t adjusted the time since I bought it. There’s no requirement: it hardly loses or gains a second. Quite astonishing.
But there’s no doubt that the Pro is a total steal.
And the best bit of all? You don’t have to interact with the utterly grotesque Rolex dealers.
Yep, had one since 2018.
Bezel is fine and answer for the thickness is do more curls.
What I was not able to deal with was the bracelet. Had to change for a jubilee from Uncle Seiko. Now I love it
Yup I’ve got one too and I love it, was a bit concerned about the thickness too when I bought it but I literally don’t notice and never have. The bevels on the bottom of the sides make it look thinner than it is anyway compared to the regular black bay. Mines 2.5years old now, I wear it every day and it very rarely leaves my wrist and there isn’t a mark on the bezel. Since I last adjusted it at the end of April (to skip the date forward) it had lost 10s which is pretty incredible.
Love mine, I also travel and I really like how functional and precise the movement is. In addition, and although I banged it all around the place, the aluminium bezel hasnt picked up a single scratch
You mean you turn the bezel? I travel a bunch within the use and just use the snap hour adjustment at the 2nd crown position. I’ve had a tough time seeing the value in the rotating bezel for most uses, hence my honest question.
I tried on the bb 41mm GMT and said hard no immediately for my size wrist. Felt top heavy and chunky. Bought the pro in May. Still haven't taken it off. I'd love the midcase to be a couple mm smaller but it is minor and most importantly, it is probably the most comfortable tool watch I've ever worn. Worth every dollar. The 2mm of glass and bevelled down fixed bezel make so much of a difference.
Was waiting for this one! Glad you’re reviewing it
The luminous ceramic indexes have been used by H. Moser & Cie. for quite some time now in their heritage line
Well presented as usual. Love the analogies - they are spot on. The back of your head comment - brilliant
I have wanting a Black Bay 41 for a long time and went to try on the new one. It was okay, then I saw this in the case. It wasn't on my radar but it looked good. As soon as I put it on, I loved it. It's sitting on my wrist as I type this. Terrific watch, great value. Don't dismiss it until you try it on.
Very true, I did that until I tried it on, then said out loud ‘it’s not too thick at all’. Bought it on the spot and wear it more than my Explorer 2.
I just picked up mine on a steel bracelet a week ago, waited about a month to get it from my local AD in CA. I have 7 inch wrists and I think it is perfect for me. The thickness doesn't bother me at all. Now if Tudor adds the Pro's crown the Tfit clasp and a bit larger teeth on the bezel to the BB58, that will definitely be my next watch. Thank you.
I was putting off purchasing either the GMT or Pro cos everyone was talking about its thickness. For some reason I still went to my AD and wanted to trial it. I remember I tried the pro first and it was nice but then when I tried the GMT, even though a bit more larger, I absolutely loved it! I have 16.5 cm wrists and I like how it felt, the weight and the case proportions. Didn't feel like it was thick at all, in fact you completely forget about it! I guess what I am trying to get at is, you must must must go check these watches in person and reserve your judgement till then.
I absolutely love this. And I've kept note of it. I plan on getting a promotion abroad in the next couple of years and really, this would be the perfect daily wear if and when I get it. With that promotion, this would (just about) come into the range of affordability, and it would look stunning.
It's rare that you can get such a great watch for that price anymore.
@Roberto Vidal Garcia to paraphrase the O'Donovan brothers, close your eyes and pull like a dog!
Received my BB Pro to add to the collection and it is a stunner. It wears beautifully. Anyone with a shred of doubt, don’t stare at RUclips go and put one on. Value for money is outstanding.
It’s a wonderful highly accurate true GMT sports watch and extremely comfortable on the adjustable bracelet. It has barely lost a second since purchased and is anti-magnetic, 200m water resistant, awesome lume, brushed bezel goes under the radar, 39mm perfect dial size. The crown is excellent just perfect. Honestly, I’ll probably be looking to get the polar white dial version which I hope Tudor releases in 2023. The domed glass helps it slide under a collar, the thickness is something you don’t really feel when wearing day to day. The barber / hairdresser analogy is spot on as 99% of time you observe the dial. 5 year warranty, AD told me no need to service for 10 years.
Great watch, the thickness is perfect doesn’t need to be 10mm and serviced every 2 years also it’s a tool watch lol
the banner showing you the back of your head reference .... that is a first ! lol. Awesome review guys
I was very close to getting a Black Bay Pro but ultimately went with a pre-owned Rolex 16570 because it was slimmer on my skinny wrist and the white dial just spoke to me more.
The Tudor is a great watch though. If it came in white I probably would have gotten it for the sheer value.
I purchased a 2003 black 16570, as my first "I've arrived financially" watch in my 20s in 2005. Love but don't wear it often anymore as I prefer a 42mm+ on my 16.75in wrist. Dont question you made the right choice. I've only had mine serviced twice with the spring replaced once in 17 years; its the best all around watch on the planet if you dont have a collection. Just recently got an Oris Aquis 400 in blue and was considering a Tudor BB or Seamaster. Tudors are a great watch but they are vanilla IMO and with so many other great watches at this price its not compelling enough. One day we can add one (Tudor) to our collection, but not yet my friend.
@@athleticgeek1 I'm definitely keeping the door open on Tudor. Just need to temper my acquisition lust 😅
Thanks for addressing the thickness issue. Great video!
I have a 126610LN and I really wanna have this as a work-watch, a real beater. Looks so good.
I have a blue BB58 and on my skinny 160mm wrist it's perfect. Tried this one on and the thickness actually is a deal-breaker for me, feels top-heavy. I have a Christopher Ward Sealander GMT which is actually a bit thinner than the BB58 and a great watch too.
Same. Same, and same.
Yep, too heavy it is
Thanks for that tidbit on the Sealander. I’m in the same boat as you for wrist size as well as opinion on the Pro. Would love it, but just a touch too much mass n weight. That CW just might fit the bill! 👍
@@alexisesguerra2544 get the black one. It's freaking gorgeous. I have a rolex, a BB 58, a Cartier Santos ADLC, a Bell and Ross GMT, and the CW is just as pretty to look at as any of them.
I have the BB58 Black and the BB58 Bronze. They are perfect for my wrist and definitely my favorite 2 watches in my collection. I love the stylistic choices of this watch (the Pro) in every way... Except the thickness. I feel like I could have ignored the thickness if I didn't own 2 watches in the 58 collection already. I really hope that we see a proper BB58 GMT in the future with a modded MT5402 movement... Call it the MT5452.
I'll have to try on this watch. Some 39mm pieces will work on my 7-1/4-inch wrist. But many just don't look right. Given its thickness and styling, it might work. But 41-42mm generally looks the best for me. However, one can't deny that this Tudor is a handsome watch.
You are the right one to talk about watches.
got the BB58 OG and a 5 digit Polar Explorer II from the 90s. The perfect combo
I hope Tudor makes a polar dial BB Pro!!! Tudor is doing great things for us collectors. They're giving us the chance to buy effortless and cool pieces at great prices without playing the waiting list game. With the savings, we can go out and buy pieces from Moser, JLC, or something for Rolex money.
Tudor are all hype, they make such boring watches, there are hundreds for sale as nobody really wants them anymore
I agree, although saying it will probably kill it. Just ask any Pelegos or North Flag fans about their expressed drothers...
The bit about the barber and the rear view is very good writing. Nicely done.
I own the BB58 Blue, BB ceramic (and North Flag) Love them. I tried the Pro on and did not like the block indices at all. Much prefer the ringed versions on the other BBs.
Well if they made it thinner then it will be a direct competitor to the Rolex explorer II and i don’t think they would want that, i have it, it’s super comfortable, if people didn’t talk much about the thickness issue i probably wouldn’t even have noticed it
The 1655 is my favorite rolex ref but I always wish it had a true gmt feature and not just a 24hour hand. This may be the perfect sports watch for me. It’s also a fraction of the cost while having modern reliability. It would be a no brainer if I didn’t already own a 58.
I went in to the AD on Thursday to register my interest in the pro, which I do still want. I did however walk out with a reverse panda chronograph that more than a few people on the list failed to collect.
I’ve been wearing mine for six weeks. The thickness gave me pause when I bought it, but I don’t even notice that anymore. The combination of being a 39, having a slightly sloped bezel, and part of the thickness coming from the dome crystal all make it wear smaller than when you hold it in your hands. Also the lug to lug length combined with the fact the bracelet has full range of motion means it really conforms to the wrist. After a week or two, I found it wears beautifully.
The best video in a long time... Back to form.
"Faded orange": new euphemism for YELLOW
When the Black Bay Pro came out, I felt intrigued, because it kind of is exactly what I am looking for… I daily a Nomos Tangente, but wanted something more rugged and water proof for holidays and more casual moments, and suddenly, here it is. And it has a GMT function, which makes it even more interesting for my warm weather pursuits… but at the same time Seiko SPB143 is just so amazing and it costs only half of the Tudor and I am utterly torn which one to take… But then again, this is a problem that I am sure half the world would love to have right now, so I guess we watch guys can be happy we even have two amazing choices like this
Agree re: the SPB14x series. Just imagine if Seiko cooks up a GMT version. How cool would that be? I’m trying to get the BB Pro before that happens,that way I’ll be able to have both!
A man who daily’s a nomos is a man who has an eye for quality, likes to take an alternative path and doesn’t give af about status symbols. You have excellent taste sir.
Great review, I don’t think my small wrist can handle that thickness. I notice the case sides of my watches all the time. It would bother me
As Andrew pointed out most wearers do their viewing from the front! At 39mm and if it's fitted correctly you shouldn't really notice the thickness. If it's still on your radar, try one on at your Tudor A.D. It's either for you.............or not. There are plenty of other outstanding offerings out there.
@@grahamyoung622 I see what you both mean, I just have the bb58 and I feel like the slab sided nature already makes the 12mm thickness look thicker than it actually is. The Pro has the same exact type of side profile but 2.5ish thicker.
I’ve been eyeing up the Vacheron Constantin Fifty Six 4600E/110A-B487 (the steel bracelet version) but haven’t found any reviews of this watch. If you have any views on it would love to hear your take
I like the Black Bay Pro but I have hard time deciding between it and the Longines Spirit Zulu Time.
Thanks.... I just ordered this watch. Looks great...Cant wait to get it soon...
I have the bb gmt and the chrono and the thickness looks bad on paper but not on the wrist. I was worried about it but saw the gmt at the ad and it was no where near as bad as the internet told me it was. It does make it look like more of a tool watch but that’s what they’re going for. Don’t let the stat sheet scare you away.
The negative thing just jumped out at me! The black paint where the hands stack looks extremely sloppy, the rest of the watch is fantastic and it was about time they improved the bracelet
Glad I'm not the only one....
Looks like someone was painting his fence and just continued onto the watch....
@@chrisjones6439 exactly! There is no excuse for that
Deal breaker unfortunately
Absolutely. Comparing it with watchfinder's omega dynamic video or teddy's sinn 556 review just shows smoother finish on matte hands can be done for cheaper and 20 years ago. This seems so bad you can see it without those macro shots!
Let's hope this horrid finishing doesn't find its way up to its big brother...
@@henkrpe3249 fortunately my BB58 looks nothing like this
I've got a BB GMT and BB58 Navy. The value for money is unreal.
I've been looking at watches from other brands like IWC, Omega and Breitling etc. I understand METAS etc with Omega, but do I need it and do I need to pay the extra????
I’m seriously thinking about purchasing the BB58 blue, I have tried one on and loved EVERYTHING about it.
@@canadianwatchmonkey3992 had mine nearly a year now and love it.
I previously owned an Omega Planet Ocean 42mm but found it too large and the older engraved back dug in to my wrist.
The BB58 is lovely proportion.
I'm very fortunate and alternate daily between BB GMT and BB 58.
My 14 year old graduation gifted Tag Heuer Carrera sits on the watch winder now ...
@@King_Harrold yip the size of the BB58 is perfection.
How can you pick the tudor over a classy Iwc, Tudor are very boring, ugly and over hyped.
@@coffeeboyclips1973 when I think of IWC I think military.
Got it two days ago it is a bit chunky but after a day or so you forget that and just love it’s look and on the slide adjustment and if you already have/had Tudor gmt or omega PO you used to a bit of chunk
It’s like going from the”No Date” to an Explorer II. Not a GMT Master II. Which is only $550 usd, $8,950(124060)-$9,500(226570) and it’s not a “chunker” either! I love my 216570🥰
Great review. When r u doing the black bay ceramic?
Thank you for showing the details. 🔎
BB 58 is much better in finishing and details.
Why do we always have specks / dust particles on the watch glass? I have noticed this on most of the channel's videos.
Is it a visual device to indicate to the viewer that there is glass and this is a real video shot by the channel?
I am unable to understand how these specks are not removed unless there is some purpose to their presence..
Someone care to enlighten me? 🙂
I needed this review. Thank you.
Faux Rivet bracelet- no problem
No rotating 24hr bezel- no problem
Thickness- no problem
However the paint on the hands is the deal breaker, poor finishing.
Went home with the Tudor GMT Pepsi after seeing both in person.
i saw that too.. don’t get why they can adjust the paint right 🤷🏽♂️
The macro shots here are not doing it any favors.
Never been a huge Tudor fan but man, the Pelagos FXD MN and the BB Pro are really amazing releases
…’The Ryan Gosling of watches’ great comparison! 👌😄
My favorite voiceover watchreviewer, with that calm perfect cadence and spiced with that downplayed british humour at it’s best! #1 😊
Everyone is talking about the thickness and I think it's more because it took people by surprise that a brand like Tudor couldn't make it thinner rather than that thikness being a problem. Maybe that's why Tudor didn't release a BB58 GMT. A rotating bezel might have added even more to the thickness of the watch.
They developed the MT5402 for the BB58 (I assume)... I would have thought they would have built a new GMT movement from the 58 movement, which may have let them keep it thinner. Say, the MT5452. Maybe that is in the pipeline. And we will get a BB58 GMT in the future that is actually called the BB58 GMT. The "Pro" line is going in a different direction and isn't shy about its "beefyness". They also made sure to separate it from the 58 line completely.
@@Want300 I hope you're right. People wanted a BB58 GMT because the BB58 has such great proportions all around. Maybe Tudor compromised a bit on the BB Pro to please the people in the short term and we'll get a BB58 GMT in a few years time. Let's just hope they don't do a Rolex and take a decade to give people what they want.
The thickness really not a problem. People should try it on as wears very well.
A few months ago, I went to a local Rolex AD, which also sells Tudor. I inquired, but they didn't have a Black Bay Pro. Just to bullshit with the sales guy, I said "I heard the Pro is a bit thick." His response, "The only people that say that are the ones that can't afford it." I laughed in his face and walked out.
Beautiful watch. Have to agree with your summary! It was a hard choice to turn down the watch from the AD as it’s such a value proposition. Having a BB58 and an Explorer II, where would this have fit in the collection…?
I haven't tried this on but what I have seen and heard, this watch is a must for the money who offers anything
Better, I have a black bay 58 blue, 2yrs on and I still love this watch. Hopefully I can go watch shopping next year
This gmt has to be my next watch hmm maybe the Fxd is in the running also because I were my 58 on different
Strapes any but the gmt pro is better value imo excellent review as always
Have the Tudor Pepsi GMT, BB58, and now the PRO GMT. I have pretty small wrist but the thickness of the PRO doesn't bother me much, the watch looks stunning! I only wish they didn't design it so that you can't use the BB58 stainless strap on the PRO as I bought mine on the rubber/leather. Ended up having to shell out to get the steel strap on the PRO.
The black bay GMT is the thickest object known to history so trying this on felt great compared and a welcome next step for tudor, just wish it was the Pepsi.
IMO the Pepsi bezel attracts too much attention.
Pepsi is the Rolex thing, what I love about Tudor is they go there own way surprise me I say
Hello, how about a comparison between this watch and a longines spirit zulu? thank you!
great review, the thickness puts me off, but have to say Tudor did lume markers like this on the Pelagos?
Hello you like Tudor..what's your take on the Tudor black bay ceramic..?any good..?thanks
My friend has one and you can read the time from across the room. It's fantastic
I saw and tried the pro in a shop, it was great. And then I bought the 58 Silver 😆
I was not too wild about Tudor, but this one got me. Awsome!
Ants toe nail clipping 😂 Yet another great presentation of a brand that I’m very fond of. Thanks for this.
Disappointed by the size and lack of crown guards. They could have utilized the female end link better by decreasing the length and giving us more girth. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
Cool looking timepiece, Tudor are becoming such a nice brand !
To be fair, it depends what attire you typically find yourself in and your wrist size. I've had to get rid of most of my thick watches because of shirt cuff and wrist size... But that may not be an issue for most people.
So after stewing for a bit, what is your conclusion?
This with a red GMT hand and a Pepsi bezel would be so awesome. Of course, I'm wearing my Christopher Ward C65 Trident GMT right now, which already has all that, so I'm OK... for now.
Sweet! Now if only my AD had one in stock so I could put it on and see if it’s thickness is (or isn’t) a dealbreaker for me.
I instantly loved mine. Bought it after seeing it in person not 5 minutes after trying it on.
The watch is stunning on all fronts, would agree a polar white variant would be game over.
Looks nice. Very good bracelet. Very good movement. Very good retail price. Very practical. Very unassuming. Not that thick considering it’s functionality. It makes the explorer II and other similar watches a bit of a joke really. Well done Tudor I wish I had one
This review was the the drop of water that tipped the pail and made me purchase the pro. One thing I want to be clear on though will all this commentary on its girth is that you need to try it on. I actually love that it puffs its chest out a bit, on a 41mm or 43mm case I agree it would be too much, but on a 39mm it's honestly perfect. After deliberating and cogitating on a daily driver watch the minute I saw this on wrist I reached for my wallet.
If it comes out in white dial then its game over. God tier
Thank you for another great video
Not to split hairs but arent these movements "Manufacture" and made by Norqain. Even on the Tudor website it refers to their movements as "Manufacture" which means it is manufactured to their specs by another company.
The size of pro is about the same size as my GS SBGE253 (40 mm dia. and 14.6 mm thick) which I initially thought too thick but got used to it although it is good 2 mm thicker than 16570. SBGE253 does feel top heavy though, as it has heavy ceramic bezel and clasp being relatively lightweight. Given the pro's bezel being stainless steel and set lower than the crystal as well as clasp being beefier, it may be better balanced than SBGE253 and may also sits more comfortably on the wrist.
What a beautiful watch. I want it for my birthday next year
The Ryan gosling analogy is the best one I’ve heard in years!
I love mine feels amazing on the Weight and the thickness is not an issue once it’s on you forget about the thickness. I also have ten GMT Pepsi which I love wearing too for it’s grand size.
The thickness is a concern, but it quickly disappears. If it wasn't so thick, that bigger crown would be a bit of a deal-breaker, as it would tend to dig into the wrists of those wearing it on their left hand.
I own it. The thicknest is really not an issue in my opinion, at least on the bracelet. On a strap however, it might be for some eyes, because you easily catch the thickness of the watch between the lugs... Meh, not an issue for me either. But the weight ! The BB PRO is easily the heaviest watch in my collection and I was quite surprise by that. I had to get used to it honestly but now I love it. The look is stunning, the functionality too, playing with the crown is very satisfying... I love how, at midnight, all the snowflakes on the hands line up perfectly.
When this first got announced, I really liked it, then I saw the price and I liked it even more! It really is a bargain for what it is!
I've loved the BB58 for a long time now and this has more than likely took its place on my wishlist, I haven't been to an AD to try this on yet but I have tried a few models of the 58 and it's really nice, they fit great, my daily is my SKX007 and that is a CHUNKY watch so the size of the Pro wouldn't phase me at all.
The part about the barber showing you the back of your head cracked me up :'D couldn't be more accurate!
Edit: I tried it out a few weeks back, it felt great and looked amazing! It was really hard to walk out of Goldsmiths without it on my wrist 😅 I promised myself my next watch was going to be a Speedy so I'm sticking to that, then I'll be picking up the Black Bay Pro for my first GMT watch 😎
Excellent video!
I have wanted a Rolex 1655 for some time, but couldn't find one priced to my liking. I thought the BB Pro would be the answer for me. I have tired it on twice though and that slab-sided mid-case thickness killed it for me. Luckily I got a 1655 at a great price and am not looking back!
The barber shop analogy 😹😹😹