We Need to Talk About Nova's Rework (Warframe)
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- Опубликовано: 9 окт 2024
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Nova in general has a really good rework but there are some really big issues with it that need to be addressed. These are some big things that criple nova's viability in high and base sp levels and its really a shame to see.
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
2:12 Good Changes
5:44 Pointless Changes
7:04 Antimatter Dead
11:53 Neutral Nova Dead
18:49 Neutron Star Problem And Recast
22:52 Wormhole Delay
24:32 The Problematic Nova Build
28:05 Best Build And Outro
Thanks for Watching
For people saying that me calling nova's 2 dead ability is cap:
ruclips.net/video/RoDHIeSSlN8/видео.html
Remember, Vigorous Swap and Arcane Arachne DOES NOT WORK. If that is not enough it has LOS CHECKS now which means that wow, it gets blocked from stairs, doors and even 1 pixel that is randomly misplaced within the tileset. Its just a MASSIVELY NERFED ability for no reason
@@WispGraxx so, I always hated her 2. That's been my subsume spot
ruclips.net/video/uCqbBPhsefs/видео.html this is all I was trying to say. No i'm not maxed MR and cant spawn 220s, but 2700 armor is 2700 armor (90% dr) im looking at damage specifically. You're not going to not play the game and proc a single strip on a single enemy all level cap run. When a single enemy dies to the damage, the blast squared scaling goes haywire and wipes rooms. That was 50% strip with 800k procs, no augmented, no full roar. Strength increases the multiplier, increases the roar which increases the multiplier, roar then increases the blast proc, increasing the multiplier. I've seen 8m damage procs on a group of goobers because of a single unarmored enemy.
@@Weezox I understand what you mean, its still LESS damage than it was before and now it has LoS checks which hurts the ability badly. Also people using this ability just use epitaph for priming? then the ability dealt like 6 million without roar, now it deals 3 million with roar. What an upgrade!
@@WispGraxx I get the LOS check, it sucks balls. I want a LOS check on Nova AND orb. Similar to Dante's fix after they fucked it up. I also very much agree that on anything that isn't AOE the orb is essentially 100% useless. However I always had some epitaph primed enemies die to the huge rad damage explosions and the rest of the enemies basically got tickled, 90% dr was still enough to turn a 5m orb into a 500k and prevent a 1 shot. Now I find with the blast procs that scale and proc themselves and on enemies I literally can wipe 50m diameter rooms and never even have to shoot more than 1 epitaph shot or even just let my nautilus prime them on its own. Sure its less big number on the screen, but the spread of the number has increased by a hell of alot becuse of the 5m radius per enemy blast proc on death and it chains until the room is gone. (from my experience in cap runs since rework)
2 can never be good if it's LOS dependent.
I'm confused, so we traded an interaction with arcanes and mods that really made no sense, "swap a weapon to blow up a bomb?", and gained the blast damage 300% proc chaining on bomb damage. So now instead of swapping a weapon to 1 shot a single level 500 enemy, you have to strip armor or use a single heat proc from a sentinel to hit "500k" and proc 1.5m on an aoe of level 500 enemies...? with a BOMB? I am a big fan of all of your videos and agree generally with your takes but as a Nova main; They made the bomb a fucking bomb. Sure it sucks we lost some "maybe bugged" interactions that we used as a crutch, but with a 300% strength build centered around bomb I am having 0 issues using bomb to aoe level cap.... like a bomb.
Id love to see your build for her
@@jacksonbesco7106 for bomb build? respite, psf, primed continuity, mfission, primed flow, equil, blind rage, umbral intensify, stretch, adaptation. 2 tau cast speed, 3 tau duration. 200% duration 45% eff 145% range, 243% str, augmented and aegis. For anything under level 1000 you can just full speedva and have null star/adap/aegis make it so you never have to even look at your health. For capped cascades/disruptions you need will then start gating and weaving slowva into groups after speeding them toward you. I use Felarx/Strun/Boar/Phenmor/Arca plasmor basically anything that can charge orbs in 1 shot (2 at most). Some crazy ST damage secondary like furis/lex/dual tox. Praedos for speeeed. Nothing special, just works and is fun.
@@Weezoxwhat is mfission? thanks for the build snd description :)
nvm found it!
I get the critism about the changes and whatnot but i swear ive heard you say that this game is too easy and you oneshot everything, complaining about how DE needs to make harder content, then you complain about not being able to oneshot..
Edit: wow, the amount of people in the comment section just putting words and making up scenarios about what im arguing is insane, touch some grass folks.
just to be clear i dont like the new Antimatter drop too
@@Huh-0.1 I did, he literally said the game is too easy in this video a few mins after he complained that he can't one shot.
Don't wanna be seen as hating, I watch a lot of his videos, he is very informative but sometimes what he says are contradictory
@@viego29 Content difficulty and Warframe QoL/Performance are two different things, one is associated with player agency/understanding of the gameplay mechanics while the other is tied to the sandbox design itself, the player shouldn't be solely responsible for calibrating that difficulty. Sure you could run a Banshee with a Bleeding Dragon Key into an EDA but you're now making something artificially harder for yourself using the tools available but that has nothing to do with the design of the content itself or the sandbox abroad.
@@divine65 Ahh yes average internet user, resorting to personal insults, if you actually knew how to fucking read, I insinuate in the same sentence that I agree with the complaints, I dont like the new Antimatter drop and Null star changes
@@viego29 You edited it theres a he didn't see it lol
@@Huh-0.1 i agree i dont like antimatter drop
Hotfix came out right around this video release. Nova's 2 does scale the multiplier with strength, Her 3 now drains 1/10th of a charge when teleporting a projectile.
Already did, it just showcases this better now but sadly the pinned comment is after the hotfix so.. nothing crazy still
20:09 Shout-out jumpscare is real
But honestly, the recast delay is very problematic but despite that, it is still a very capable passive dps tool for Rhino since it has heat and blast and he can just recast it again when it is up for passive dps + status priming potential.
I just don't think that Nova should suffer said cost of having a 2.5s delay on an ability that has an augment which pushes such playstyle (recasting) meanwhile it is meant for the worst offenders like Mirage, Rhino and Chroma. Like what you said, maybe let her had no delay which is pretty fair imo since she had this ability all the time, yet other supposedly "worst offenders" are not obligated to have it all the time, I feel like the delay is meant for them, but it shouldn't be for her as well.
HOLY SHIT FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT. Thought I was the only one having multiple problems with the nova rework. The damage interaction nerf to her 2 feels nonsensical. It's already competing with tons of extremely overpowered incarnon weapons that probably would have cleared the whole group of enemies before you land the first hit on antimatter drop to charge up its damage. The LoS nerf sucks and the change to make it scale with range took away my favourite thing about the original ability. Also the recast delay on her 1 just makes it feel like shit to use, WHY would they do this instead of just nerfing the helminth version?
Also mega based take on equinox, there's nothing she does other frames don't do better especially after dante and jade's release. If maim gets nerfed she would be completely dead.
cant believe someone in this comment section has actually played the game (and the frame)
A bug I found with koumei was if you die during her 4th cast animation your weapons stop working until you die again
glad i havent found that myself, thankfully she is tanky as a frame
me who has never even seen nova played in any mission till her "lite" rework
Makes sense, reworks bring popularity. People want to try whats new :D
I like new Nova. The only real issue I have is that the 1 cooldown is too long. The 2 deals a lot of dmg, I don't get why you are saying the dmg is bad but maybe it is at level cap, I haven't tried it in 1k+ levels because tbh that's like 0,5% of my usual gameplay. The 2 is still clunky and that's why I'm not a fan but the dmg is there. I would love to get neutral nova back, that's for sure but if we don't get it I would still use Nova a lot. The only place where I miss neutral is at very high levels, and I mean very high, at 1-1.5k I was totally fine by using fast and slow. It was a cascade where the slow is not an issue, maybe in survival at very high levels it would be.
@@shevek5185 2 deals less than before while also getting LOS checks. Im someone who played a lot of nova before and after the rework and thats my issue with it. While neutral nova is niche adding it as a toggle mechanics only benefits nova's team play so at the end of the day.. why not add it
Its not just level cap, AD barely tickles enemies in "hard mode" content - netracells, archon hunts, and Deep Archemedia, which is all some of us even play some weeks.
cant wait for you reading the list of bugs
I did, I was so happy :3
The good: passive is wonderful, blast status is fun, speed/slow tap/hold is nice, AMD range scaling is nice, nullstar number/DR scaling and working on shields is much better.
The bad: Nullstar 2.5s ICD feels awful, AMD LoS check is annoying, Wormhole nerf to only last ~4s when shooting through is bad, no neutral Mprime, no good way to build up 10 blast procs within the kit.
About the exact same things i covered in the video
the augment change for her 4 isnt pointless, it means you can restore stacks on ur 1 without always having 4 up. so now 1 has a very good sustain on its own without relying on 4, also it makes enemies take 200% more damage without having to use her 4 all the time as well. overall the 4 augment makes her 1 very consistent on its own
also why are you complaining about neutral nova being gone when you say speed is useful for 90% of the mission then slow for the rest when ur at high level? then just use the speed when its needed then slow when you need it. wtf do you need neutral for? you have some of the weirdest complaints
@@cherylhassenzahl4462 it already did this.. im not calling the augment pointless im calling the addition of your 1 proccing your 4 pointless which.. outside of something like an exterminate it is
WOULD X 36
Its absolutely insane to me how so many players including content creators have no idea how in depth nova could be and simply thought of her as a slova and niche speedva when her kit offered so much more
It was also very evident that the devs thought so too, seeing that her newer reworked version promoted that more. Its incredibly sad that the most versatile warframe build wise has now become nothing but just a MP bot
Very interesting take on Nova and I disagree with you on antimatter drop being dead and Equinox being bad (what the hell??)
She only really has like 1 ability which is her 4. Her first ability pretty much isn't an ability as it just swaps her forms, and her second/third ability doesn't really do enough to justify casting when using a nuking build. Equinox gameplay is just subsume terrify and 4, terrify, 4 terrify, etc.
@@jacksonbesco7106 Equinox is one of the best nukes either way, every content you go against you WILL be able to kill with her 4th. I do think she needs some type of rework of her 2, 3 and way of switching forms instead of needing an ability just to switch forms however, saying Equinox bad is just WRONG.
@@scripzesbaab6277 ruclips.net/video/o8r0-zRonF0/видео.htmlsi=aCFRjDcvDdiBl28r&t=326
This is basically 5 minutes long but I urge you to watch it to realise how BAD her abilities are. Being good at nuking in a game like warframe isnt so benefitial.. especially when arguably EVERY FRAME can now nuke. Literally everything. To add to this, melee influence is (unfortunately) in the game right now. So.. it does not really matter for someone to have that. With the release of protea, Jade and now Koumei, Equinox is just left to suffer.. once again..
@@WispGraxx Just as i stated, Equinox is not as bad as MANY frames rn, saying she is one that needs a rework the MOST out of all those very bad frames like nyx, trinity and possibly titania, she may not be the best looking at her whole kit but bro... There are MUCH worse Frames even Koumei is worse
Dang didn't think there was actually poeple the hated the light rework💔. I was so overjoyed when i saw the surprise rework ive been having a blast with her so far
i dont hate it, and its good you are having fun with it. I am stating the things that are bad about it and (probably) need to be adressed
15:08 I have opinions, but this confuses me. If speed nova is good until a point, and slow nova is good after a point then ⚖️ that doesn't make the ability useless, and makes neutral Nova not really necessary
I never said the ability is useless, I said that the ability becomes useless after a point since you wouldnt want to speed up OR slow down the enemies when u reach stupid high levels. So for those levels neutral nova DOES have a place. Its easy to implement it so I dont get why it shouldn't be a thing
@@WispGraxx I don't go to level cap, so, slowing isn't good at high levels?
@@FranklynPearson nah, it slows down the mission and you still get oneshot unfortunately, you might aswell keep their speed the same and survive through other means like abusing i-frames
The moment i saw that they removed the ability to fire off multiple antimatter drops I was scared because it was my favorite meme build to just run around with 10 balls absorbing all damage and crashing down on enemies
On top of that they broke the augment, it no longer scales with range smh
To add to this comment , the UI says it scales, but in gameplay it does not, you'll still have the base absorb range in game
brother holding de at gun point
She was previously bugged as shit and the only waybyou could get her to be op was exploiting bugs thet weren't explained anywhere in her kit. Now she works as inteded more consistently and without bug exploits and people are complaining...yep that sounds like gamers im a nutshell
That is a solid opinion.. question, did you play nova before this lite rework or are you even playing her now to shove it in the comments with no explanation of what were said "bugs", "exploits" and the "intended" way she needs to be played?
Remove the damage cap on anti matter drop and leave it so it's still affected by multi gun co and eclipse
If you’re not getting like 2 million with antimatter drop you’re doing something wrong lol what?
it’s funny cuz I look up a video on a build for her and they literally show her doing millions of damage with the ability 😭🙏
@@piplupxpp do you have a video link? Id be more than happy to try that
@@WispGraxx ruclips.net/video/tKpdhqCYY9U/видео.htmlsi=VlIivixyIZ371eXx I know you probably don’t like gaz but skip to 18:56 and he literally does like millions of damage
@@WispGraxx ruclips.net/video/tKpdhqCYY9U/видео.htmlsi=cz_-aOVGXzPmMv7m
@@WispGraxx idk if its your channel, but its not allowing me to post RUclips links just literally go to gaz's channel and skip to like the 18 min mark on his nova video and he does like millions of damage with antimatter
Milton missed me 😈
The wormhole build for nataruk is already patched, 20 mins ago. Edit: also, i didnt do much testing but from my short 5 min survival, you do(did) have to, "reload" your portals, with new arrows, it was funny idk i liked it. I guess back to subing off wormhole on every single nova build 🤷♂️
@@CapnCook420 just like i expected.. as i said DE really doesnt like it. Sadly no nova changes yet
Yeah, i know they have cracked down on the afk gameplay a lot, and to me, thats fine, but that build isnt even new. Her wormhole got infinite duration in her rework but you were always able to do that with nataruk, you just used to have to make new portals as well as "reload" them. They implemented that problem themselfs and i guess, didnt realize people would abuse it
Hey moug, off topic question but now that plague zaws are back, do you have any recommendations for a plague kripath or plague keewar?
Best of luck to everyone affected by the hurricane, prayers out
I use Plague Kripath, Plague Bokwin and Vargeet II Ruhang
@@WispGraxx could i also have ur build for it?
I'm not a nova player so I don't really get the neutral nova thing. If the problem in the past was that picking either slowva or speedva for a level cap run made you useless for part of the mission and the solution was to go neutral and keep the damage amp... then how is having BOTH options for level cap runs worse... It sounds like you're getting exactly what you wanted but without the awkward work around
Well issue is at level cap slowing the enemy doesnt prevent them from 1 tapping you while making the mission slower. You specifically WANT neutral nova for any 4 digit level mission and its a simple thing to add so.. why not just add it?
@@WispGraxx oh okay that makes more sense, I see where you’re coming from now
Hey Moug, do you know what is the best place to post a bug to fix? Im thinking on reporting the AOE hitscan multishot bug that has been around for some years that has the Ferrox ( & Tenet), Battacor alt-fire, burston incarnon, braton incarnon, etc. Any recommendations?
Have a great rest of the day!
De advises you to go here, Not sure if its the best place tho
forums.warframe.com/topic/1414761-known-issues-koumei-the-five-fates/
@@WispGraxx ok, thanks!
Equinox really should have a passive that lets her keep duration and drain skills when swapping forms. Why is it terrible equilibrium? I play support equinox, then flash nuke, back to support. I have to spam pacify in support mode, i dont use rest and rage, cos it disappears when i swap forms.
How cool would it be, if you press pacify, swap forms then hit rage? Or vice versa? Rage would the keep spreading via augment.
Swapping forms on her is near pointless, what is the benifit when you need mend and maim to keep ya stack of damage? Really should be in her kit, call it the balance rework.
@@nicktheninja3166 equinox needs a LOT of help.. many of her augments should be part of her 3 and all of her abilities needs buffs
@@WispGraxx energy transfer*
I meant the agument not her skill which it's applying too :3
You got a praedos build with the new Galvanized mods?
There’s been a hot fix lmao
FINALLY
I just got into her Nova Prime
I was hitting over 1mil on antimatter with 0 forma, are you not charging it up??? 😂 It's a great ability, super fun too
25:19 are you aiming?!? 😅
Molecular fission letting Nullstars prime enemies seems much better for Run N gun style missions, like Exterminate or whatnot.
When camping, it’s not needed and M prime is way better. When not camping, it’s the opposite because of how slow M prime travels VS how fast Nova can move.
Also, I’m not a fan of some of the AMD changes myself, but it can still pretty easily hit for the multi millions now even with Base power strength.
Strength doesn’t boost her 2 much at all, because it only gives it a slight more base damage, whereas 99% of its base damage actually comes from what and how it’s charged with.
I agree with the first statement, but 1 isnt recastable immedietly so its not effective at all because they randomly decided to remove it.
@@divine65 when paired with the Augment for Nullstar itself, each star has a 8m base explosion radius that primes all enemies per star.
Can recast once per second, but a single launch with both augments can prime an entire room faster than M prime can due to the AoE.
However, even just once per second recast to prime an entire room is plenty for me, as I don’t use them for damage at higher levels at all.
I really should’ve mentioned the Synergy with 1st augment as well, as I forget that Nullstars don’t have AoE by default since I use them both together.
Hi, I think you're a bit wrong about the augments for, and Null Star in general, and also it is still possible to kill with Antimatter Drop. I made you a short clip. IMO you should rarely hard cast Molecular Prime anymore, it's just way too slow and costs too much energy compared to Null Star with the augments. Hope you appreciate a fresh POV: ruclips.net/video/W0PABeynOy8/видео.html
Antimatter drop (her 2) is still nerfed to the ground sadly. Less damage than before and LoS check on top of that as a trade off for range scaling is simply not worth it at all. But yes it still CAN oneshot up to level 300-400 if u use epitaph with it. Issue is back in the day it could do WAY WAY MORE than that. Priming enemies with Neutron Star to buff your secondaries is however something that is super nice to have so I like that Idea. Thank you for sharing :D
include nova in tomorrows bug list
nova 很好，我不知道你为什么抱怨
28min ? 😂
xiaohongshu
Not a Nova main, still liked the video 😎
As if these issues weren't enough they just released a hotfix to mess up the nataruk warp gate combo.
Thank god for that
It was broken tho so makes sense imo, its still good just doesnt loop infinitely. Fairy balanced as of now
Took them long enough
U just bad
Based
Equinox worst wf?? let's be real it's excalibur umbra and default excallibur
Wrong! Slash dash.
@@gustavonomegrande Oh plz that boring press 1 build noone uses. Lete's not even talk survivability and the scaling for later levels
Excalibur is doing quite alright. He gets a new toy every update, it seems.
@@securatyyy ok do a steel path lvl 300 sol without him dyin, let alone hit level cap, not that every frame needs to do it, but most health tanks have a way of getting it back, excallibar can put mods in to heal, instead of dealing damage, yeah sounds greaaaaaat
I want equinox to be good, I love her kit. She has a ton of issues as a frame that needs to be addressed and her support build which used to be INCREDIBLY META is now simply.. dead. Her night form 3 is terrible if you know how it works, so is her 4 night form. They both have incredible potential and all of her augments feel like they NEED to be part of her kit except Duality (simply because Duality its too strong). Excalibur has some nice builds and his radial blind/howl is an incredible ability that is able to be combined with other stuff to create AoE Nukes with rumblejack. 100% equinox is the worst warframe for me
At 7:26, you claim that Antimatter is now "dead." You clearly have not done any research because you would then know that this ability combined with her 4 turns her in a nuking frame. Also you spoke about how the "hold 3 to aim portal" is useless. Its called a quality of life change. Just because you personally do not see the or feel the need for it does not mean there isnt people out who would benefit from that change.
So basically you're complaining that she isnt broken op and cannot (in your opinion) do level cap. At this point it feels like you are complaining for the sake of complaing. If we are actually being realistic this Nova change was really good and very much needed. You are just sour because you clearly don't like change and when something doesnt go slightly your way you get upset and complain.
You also say "everyone hates this" 17:42 you are legitimately the FIRST person I have seen complain about this Nova change. Thats because the reasons you are upset are irrelevant to the rest of the player base. Also who gives af about 1 build being dead. Thats the point of reworks. THINGS GET REWORKED so you have to adapt and change things out and alter how you used to play that character.
Nova feels so perfect right now.
Ok well.. first of all "you havent done your research" my 6th most used frame with 6 builds i definitely know what numbers antimatter used to get and what it gets now. "Youre basically complaining that shes not OP and cannot level cap" Every warframe can level cap. This rework is no different. The issue is that unlike something like caliban's rework there is simply things taken out of her kit when they werent an issue in the first place. This is a pve game, i want to feel good while playing a character and have my playstyle still exist. "You are the first person to complain about this" Someone really hasn't been to warframe forums ever..
Also to add, most people don't play to lv cap. DE has gone on record saying warframe isn't built for level cap (though they do want to reward you more staying in endless missions).
The new nova rework is fantastic. Never used her 2nd and 3rd before. Great they got more upgrades. As for antimatter not having LoS anymore. This is a movement game, use this skill in an open area. This sounds like skill issue. And is you miss, so what, do it again, not like nova is struggling for energy anymore.
@@nicktheninja3166 If you never used her 2nd how do you know its upgraded?
@@WispGraxx it was hyperbole, should of said rarely. Regardless, I'll take the L here and go; fair point.