@@LifeofBliss I hope wonder woman/venom/mi fallout is on that list. Oh don't forget the equalizer 2 and John Wick(both) and maybe the first Jack Reacher
Definitely the John Wick movies. I need to get Venom actually. I like the Greatest Showman for music as well (along with Hans Zimmer and Metallica concerts on bluray)
Finally got my first HVLP gun, used it on a few projects now. Not a duratex one yet, but that was my main motivation. One of those projects was painting a toy box, and just wanted to say that issue of "hard to spray in the port" is the same issue I had with painting the inside of the box. It was too small to get the gun into to spray close, and from far away just not much material made it to the surface. What worked for me was to close the pattern from the fan shape to the circle, in doing that the product is basically shot straight out rather than fanned giving it MUCH more throw distance. I was able to paint the inside of the box perfectly like this, just gotta be careful not to get too much product in one spot since its so much more concentrated. Still the best video for this I have seen, wish I could have sprayed my 18" sub project, the roller texture while more durable just is not what I want for an in-home application. Also I went with the Steel Speakon connector for my sub, and for some reason it has a groove on the inlet so a perfect circle wont work to install it, that was a lot of work to slowly cut the slots for it to fit, but once installed its great and cant be turned in place even before screwing it down.
Duratek is the best!! It's the only finish I use for my builds. I prefer the roller grade because I like the textured roller look. It gives equipment that pro audio look. As far as filling and sanding, I just use Elmer's Wood Filler, then sand. Some quick diy's tips: #1) sand the cabinets before applying filler. This makes everything easier by requiring less filler to be used since everything is smoothed out already #2) have a spray bottle handy to moisten the filler a little so it's very easy to mold Have fun building everyone! ps: Life Of Bliss, I'm noticing every time you have a follow-up video to these speakers the view count keeps getting higher and higher. Nice!
Your kids will only disappoint you - good speakers will last a lifetime. Your choice ;) (ok, that was a little flip but its definitely the way I feel about pets around anything of value but I get that some people see their pets as members of the family - c'est la vie).
Lol yea good speakers will last a long time, but it's the memories you make with people listening to them I really enjoy. You'll see what I mean in my next video on these 😉 thanks guys
Thanks man. I was debating on using raptor liner bed liner vs duratex. Really glad how this stuff turned out. Flat color, not a super rough texture, and smooth enough to dust off easily
My God do you even need a sub for these speakers, I'm super jealous and impressed at the same time, can't wait to see them in action, good job thanks for the content
They won't play super deep with authority. Should have a good midbass presence, but will definitely need a sub for the lows. Luckily, I'll have that covered 😉
Excellent work... I coulda used this video a few weeks earlier, but hey, if my just finished speaker build looked as good as yours, nobody would believe I did the work... Those puppies are going to be crazy strong speakers, strong enough to be used in a full on commercial theater...
This was an Amazing video. This is my second video. You give a lot of information, & help. In this video DYI of yours. This is beyond what I could do. You sir have a new subscriber. It's a great work of art..
I love duratex! This is how I always wanted to use it, but haven't gotten a good spray gun yet. Some day I hope to repaint my old EAW SB180's and DS123's the same way.
Great video, I found it looking for HVLP Duratex application, not sure if I want to go for a Turbine based AIO sprayer since I only need it for this one project, or get a gun and compressor like you used. Building the 18" Ultimax Sub kit from Parts Express, but this makes me want to build all my speakers at one point in the future lol.
Having a compressor is nice for many things... having a spray gun is nice too even for the few and far between diy projects around the house. Spraying is much smoother than rolling things
My boss would kill me if something I build had these gaps. But for a non professional this was really good. Even tho you can make almost everything out of it, mdf is a bitch when it comes to the painting. Very well made boxes, they look awesome.
Yea that first angled box was off just slightly on one edge and it threw a few others off due to that. Everything else fit up pretty nice for me though. And yes, MDF does suck to paint lol. Thanks man
looks nice, I get very similar results spraying with truck bed coating, surface is a little rough which makes wiping off the surface not the greatest, then I sprayed some thick glaze over the coating and it looked fantastic and cleaning off was easy.
hello sir, i find your videos very informative and entertaining as well..but i am wondering how you interconnected the different speakers incorporating a dividing network .. can you show us in schematic diagram all the interconnection of all the speakers in each box.. reason why i want to find our how is impedance matching between the speaker system and the amplifier..i just would like to know if there would be risk of damaging the amplifier if multiple speakers are already installed.
Everything is wired in parallel off of the crossover. I go over that in the crossover assembly or final assembly video. Final load is 8 ohms. You can find more specific information about the drivers and specs on DIY Sound Groups website. As long as your final load is within the amplifiers capabilities (usually 4 ohms or higher) you should be fine wiring multiple speakers together
Impressive! Most impressive. You put a lot of thought into the design, materials, and construction of these speakers. Bravo. A few questions and comments: 1) Could you have used the stronger body filler only? Any specific reason/s to use the spackle also? 2) Have you found or heard of, copper.. or better- gold-plated copper contact components for the Speakon connectors? 3) Silver solder instead of crimp connections throughout? I’ve found that sometimes, the bond, the connection those crimps make are not as complete as highly conductive solder, wetted well. Additionally, the copper wire can/will oxidize using them. Lastly, just from current transmission, there can be micro- loosening of those connections over a long time span; but more so from the vibration of drivers, individually and collectively. Crimps for ease of removal? Mm, a touch with a hot iron is quite fast also, and better connection the whole time? Overall, eliminate 30-40?connectors, of inferior metal? Imagine the weight reduction.. for each speaker.. by removing all that hardware! Lol! 😋 4) Connecting your awesome, well-made 14 AWG Speakon speaker cables results in a gratifying smile. Subsequently connecting 12 AWG... awesome well-made Speakon speaker cables results in a gratifying smile, 38% wider. (12 guage... it's just what we do. 😎) No criticism here, just sharing ideas. I appreciate, what you've made, and the benefits you provide from all your effort in making this and these, high quality videos. Thank you.
Thank you Anthony! Wow, let me see if I can get to all of this lol... 1. Yes you can use the body filler for everything. Since I wasn't doing any major filling, the spackle is just easier to work with (no mixing with hardener) and sands very easily. And it's cheaper. Easy cleanup... You get the idea. It's really just filling in the porous edges. 2. I have only seen the normal speakon connectors, none with gold plated or copper connections. Many use these for high powered subs (as I will be doing as well) and don't seem to have had issues. I actually was worried about this myself but I have not been able to find anything on them limiting current/wattage. 3. That weight reduction is temping... 😉 And yea I have seen where people like to solder the connections instead of connectors. I personally just found it easier for installing and removing if need be. There is the risk of them coming off, but I try to avoid that by compressing the female connectors before installing for a tighter fit. It could still happen though... I have not seen anything where it directly effects sound quality though. But I may have just not come across that information yet :) 4. 12 gauge is installed :) the 14 was available at the time and needed to order more 12 gauge to complete all of the connectors. I don't take criticism negatively. Everyone has their ways (or just don't know what they are talking about lol!). I've learned a lot from people commenting on videos so I welcome the comments. Appreciate the kinds words and I'll have a demo/impressions video out soon! Thanks man!
I'm just going to be using Yamaha YPAO for now, but may go with something like the new Dayton EQ box they just came out with in the future. I will probably play with REW and use the receiver to adjust a few things as well for the time being
I love this video is so good. Can send me the websites to get the speakers, can this speakers be shipped to Nigeria for a DIY projects, like the 12'', 61/2'' and tweeter, how loud put together can this horizontal one sound looking at it outdoor, what kind of amplifier could power it, only the horizontal box i mean?
Thanks man, the link is in the description but the website is www.diysoundgroup.com You would have to reach out to them for possible shipping to your country. These are very efficient speakers, so not a lot of power is needed. If you used a higher power pro amplifier, they can reach over 120db, so very loud!
I love this build and congratulate you on the quality of work. I have one concern though. I can almost guarantee that the gauge wire used isn't adequate enough not only for the run from the crossover to each individual driver but certainly not large enough for the speacon connection. With the money invested, I suggest buying quality lower gauge speaker wire. Thanks for the time and work you invested to produce great content for us to enjoy!
Thanks man. You don't think the 14 gauge will be enough? I ran 12 gauge in wall and only have a 125w per channel amp for the mains. They have a sensitivity of 99 db so these really won't take a lot of power to get loud. That's a pretty short run of 14 gauge too.
It should be ok then. Maybe run the 12 gauge from the wall and AVR, atleast up to the speakon connectors. Audiophiles would tell you it isn't adequate.
Thanks Rick. Absolutely. Body work is a little more involved obviously, but similar processes. I grew up doing that and painting cars with my dad. Great skills to know!
@@LifeofBliss absolutely i was taught at first in high school after that git a job with a friends father and I been doing it off and on fir iver 30 years but i have to say blending is the most tedious. And also ghosting its super hard I only screwed up over 25 x lol but practice makes perfect we only learn from our mistakes but don't want to do too many mistakes as it gets costly lol but i have to tell you great vid also while doing your sanding u say u don't like using air or electric type tools Maybe try using a straight line air sander this way u won't have any ginger grooves or uneven spots like u would get from other electric or air sanders or have you already tried that and just prefer the burn in the shoulders lol oh by the way as I was touring you tube I came across your channel and now im a new subscriber and but got double thumbs up from the peanut gallery here lol chat soon
I watched another video where a guy rolled on DuraTex and it looked really, really bad. The spray gun method you used seems to deliver superb results, and I will go this route if I decide to build my own speakers. I'm really looking forward to your impressions on the 1299's. I have been eyeing the 1099 kit myself, but maybe the 12s will be more "future proof". Make sure that you give us a sound test at the "sweet spot" so that we hear what you hear at the proper listening position. I saw another video where the guy was 2 feet from the speaker and all you heard was mid-bass.
Very nice work. One sugestion, too late now but when assembling speaker/connector fasteners use locktite (medium) or equivalent to be sure everything stays tight just like for mechanical purposes.
There's a bit of rounding here and not including tools: 3 1299s- $1425 2 volt 10s- $340 Connectors- $60 total? Bought extras Duratex- $90 per gallon. 1 gallon used Wood- $75 Crossover boards- $45 Spackle- $10 Insulation- $40 There are some other little costs and already having most tools helped. Bought the spray gun but that will be used for many projects including painting car parts. They sound great! Coming out with a demo and impressions video soon
Great job man. They look cool. You can’t really get a more CUSTOM HT speaker, when your building one of the surrounds at a more of an acute angle than the other to fit your room. Cool. I like it😀.
Thanks Duane. Yea I'll be the first to admit my room isn't the best layout for speakers, but I've tried to make the most of it! One will be much closer than the other, so had to try and compensate for that. Glad you appreciate it 😉 I'll show the room more in the next video.
I'll be going over that in the next video. Planning on using an aluminum French cleat. I think Hangman is the brand, can't remember if I got that particular brand or not... I'll show it though
I was wondering how bad Duratex hangs in the air when spraying? Also did you notice if it got on everything in your garage because of that? Having worked in a body shop in the past I would never consider painting automotive paint in a garage without massive ventilation. Duratex however is quite different than any automotive paint I am familiar with. Thanks!
It's not bad at all like auto paints. I used to do a lot of automotive painting in the past and the duratex is very different. Technique is the same, but it doesn't aresolize as much and hang in the air. A lot of it dries before hitting the ground too so it leaves behind some dust, though some of it is still wet and will coat the floor. That's why I put plastic down everywhere. But as far as other tools and areas of the garage outside of the spray zone, there was very little overspray that traveled that far
Question, did you connect the two 1299, 12'' low frequency speakers in series or in parallel before connecting to the crossover, same question for all the speakers how did you connect them before hooking them up to the crossover, please explain, I'm actually an amateur trying some DIY thanks.
Hooking everything in parallel is going to affect the impedance or increase the load on the amplifier. Hooking everything in parallel then to the crossover is that the normal and way of making three way 🔊 or
All the specific model numbers and specs are linked in the description. The DIY Sound Group website has all of that on their website for the 1299 speakers. I don't remember off hand
Thanks man. Had to take a break for a bit but starting back up now. I have the dewalt 15 gallon compressor. It's an upright with wheels to roll around. They've updated since the model I have, but it's still very similar
Awesome job! I have some small speakers, I'm thinking about rolling them as apposed to spraying them. Would you suggest Duratex? Or something comparable at a lower price point for a first timer.
Duratex is a good product. Holds up well to abuse. I've seen many people prime and roll cabinets with other flat black paints you could find at home improvement stores. may not hold up to scratches as well, but cheaper
Man I tried this, and the hopper gun is spraying out large droplets in a huge spray pattern. Changing the pressure doesn't seem to help much. Now I have a soaked mess 😟 I diluted the Duaretex with water too. Not sure what to do
Umm... was it an hvlp gun like I used? You can grab a cheapo one at harbor freight for under $30 for this type of application. Sounds like a gun issue you're having... ALWAYS do a test panel btw. Never start on your main project without confirming the spray pattern is what you want. Good luck man...
Nice work and very well presented. This looks like proaudio. How does it sound compared to your previous DIY from Meniscus Audio? I watched your comparison video with the Polk Audio towers. I'm thinking of doing the Vortex, HTM 12, or the discontinued Fusion 12 for two channel Hi-Fi use in a medium sized 1600 cubic foot dedicated listening room. Wondering what your impressions are with music now that you've had this setup for a while. Any feedback would be great. I see a lot of horns now being used in the home---some large, some small. With the SEOS waveguide, I'm wondering if it's all worth it to build my own using the kits without the crossover that's included and instead bi-amping them utilizing a two-way active crossover with two powered subwoofers. Currently I'm using a Dynaudio DIY speaker kit from 20 years ago. I love dynamic sound but I'm concerned a horn will be fatiguing for long listening sessions in a mid to near field seating position. Thanks in advance for any information you can share!
These are great with music imo. They could use a little boost with the low end, but nothing a little EQ can't fix. I usually listen with subs as well so that takes care of the lows. There is no fatigue with these unless I push them past my comfort threshold (aka really damn loud!). Distortion is non-existant as far as I can tell with this setup, they are capable of playing very loud effortlessly. I did like the HiVi towers I built for music as well, probably a bit more if not using a sub. They would get pretty dang loud as well, but nothing like the 1299s can. I am very happy with the switch to the 1299s, just a more natural and effortless sound for me
@@LifeofBliss Ok. Sounds good. Thanks for the reply. I have a few more questions: How do the 1099's image and what's the soundstage like compared to the HiVi towers? How do the crossover networks compare? Have you listened to the Volts with music? When you listen to either, do instruments sound natural and real? Because of the compression driver, are they forward sounding like the typical PA stuff? What are some negatives if you don't mind sharing? Sorry for so many questions but I bet there are others here who are interested in your feedback. Thanks again, Alex! Love your channel man and I'm surprised you don't have more subscribers. Your production quality, content, and the care you take in editing is impressive!
@@djscott9207 appreciate it man! So the 1299s have a very wide soundstage for me. When you're dead center listening to stereo, it's hard to place where the speakers are but you can pinpoint instruments as they dance across the soundstage. The HiVi set was no slouch either, these just have more depth to them. I would consider them a bit forward, almost on the bright side, but they don't fatigue my ears like there is any distortion going on. Crossovers were great quality imo, I don't claim to know a lot about crossovers but they were quality parts. They also have a complete parts list on the website. Instruments sound amazing. And they are so clear that I've heard things in songs I have miss in the past
@@djscott9207 negatives... they're huge and heavy. Don't have the bass output you'd expect from dual 12s, but like I said you can EQ that up. They weren't really designed for deep loud bass though, so not necessarily a negative, just something to know going into it. Hard to find negatives about them though, they're the best speakers I've owned and heard (but I've spent a lot of time listening to them since they are mine)
@@LifeofBliss Well, I think I will take the plunge for either the Vortex coaxial speaker pkg (similar to the Volt, but for two channel) or the highly revered Fusion 12. I'm running dual 12" sealed subs that are close to flat down to 25hz, which for a dedicated music system and for what I listen to should be fine. I will call Meniscus Audio on Monday to get caught up on their current offerings before I hit the buy button over at the DIY Audio Group. I'm not sure if I should try to find the discontinued Fusion 12 or go for their HTM 12 that's currently available, which uses the SEOS 15 waveguide as opposed to the SEOS 12 found in the Fusion kit. In my small 14 x 12.5 x 9.5 listening room (1600 cft), I'm not sure which one would be better. Any thoughts? I don't need the passive crossovers. I'm going to utilize an analog active two-way 24/octave LR with a tube amp on the tweeters, which will increase dynamic range and efficiency while minimizing comb filtering inherent in passive networks. I'll try to reach Matt or Eric to see what they think of this setup and what would be the best crossover setting. Thanks again, Kyle.
You're good man, a lot of people don't even know there's a description for videos. These crossovers are obviously specific to the 1299s, but they may work in another project if you wanted similar crossover points.
I have a question for you. a crossover does only divide the frequencies or it amplifies and divides the frequencies. also an 800 watt example crossover is an 800 watt of what. thank you for your reply
The crossover just sends the correct frequencies to the correct speakers. Amplification is done prior to the crossover. No sure exactly what you mean by your second question, but the crossover will also divide the power going to the speakers, with the woofers usually taking up most of the power
I'll share an awesome trick for painting over MDF: mix 50% Elmer's white glue with 50% water and brush on MDF with a chip brush. Allow drying time before paint. This will seal the wood so it doesn't absorb the paint. *may need second coat
I didn't for this project. I bought one for automotive painting in the future. Drained my tank before starting was all. The Duratex is water based so there wouldn't be any real negative effects of a bit of moisture in the line as long as it's not spewing water out lol. Would definitely not hurt to have one, but didn't have any negative effects without one in my case
@@LifeofBliss Thanks for the quick response. I built a trio of 1099 a few years ago and last year I did a pair of VBSS and I rolled on my duratex but I really wanted to spray them. Next set of speakers I build I will have to revisit this vid.
Awesome job on the finish Kyle! Now it's time to get those bad boys hooked up and see how they sound.
😁 I have several movies in the lineup!
Wow.
@@LifeofBliss I hope wonder woman/venom/mi fallout is on that list. Oh don't forget the equalizer 2 and John Wick(both) and maybe the first Jack Reacher
Definitely the John Wick movies. I need to get Venom actually. I like the Greatest Showman for music as well (along with Hans Zimmer and Metallica concerts on bluray)
They do not sound any different if you paint them green, blue, red!
Finally got my first HVLP gun, used it on a few projects now. Not a duratex one yet, but that was my main motivation.
One of those projects was painting a toy box, and just wanted to say that issue of "hard to spray in the port" is the same issue I had with painting the inside of the box. It was too small to get the gun into to spray close, and from far away just not much material made it to the surface.
What worked for me was to close the pattern from the fan shape to the circle, in doing that the product is basically shot straight out rather than fanned giving it MUCH more throw distance.
I was able to paint the inside of the box perfectly like this, just gotta be careful not to get too much product in one spot since its so much more concentrated.
Still the best video for this I have seen, wish I could have sprayed my 18" sub project, the roller texture while more durable just is not what I want for an in-home application.
Also I went with the Steel Speakon connector for my sub, and for some reason it has a groove on the inlet so a perfect circle wont work to install it, that was a lot of work to slowly cut the slots for it to fit, but once installed its great and cant be turned in place even before screwing it down.
One of the most solid diy speaker builds, I have seen on RUclips.
There are some very talented guys I've seen on here... I appreciate it Michael
Duratek is the best!! It's the only finish I use for my builds. I prefer the roller grade because I like the textured roller look. It gives equipment that pro audio look. As far as filling and sanding, I just use Elmer's Wood Filler, then sand. Some quick diy's tips:
#1) sand the cabinets before applying filler. This makes everything easier by requiring less filler to be used since everything is smoothed out already
#2) have a spray bottle handy to moisten the filler a little so it's very easy to mold
Have fun building everyone!
ps: Life Of Bliss, I'm noticing every time you have a follow-up video to these speakers the view count keeps getting higher and higher. Nice!
Thanks man! Yea I'm liking this duratex...
And I must be doing something right to get a few views 😁 I'm just glad people like it and find it helpful!
Been used in pro audio speakers for decades & a good choice.
With my kids the speakers aren't indestructible. I'd add a cover to them. Your work is amazing and I love your channel. 👍🏾
Your kids will only disappoint you - good speakers will last a lifetime. Your choice ;)
(ok, that was a little flip but its definitely the way I feel about pets around anything of value but I get that some people see their pets as members of the family - c'est la vie).
Lol yea good speakers will last a long time, but it's the memories you make with people listening to them I really enjoy. You'll see what I mean in my next video on these 😉 thanks guys
Respect! All of the work you put into building those, filming and putting this together is appreciated. Good job!
Thanks Phil! It does take some time getting all of it together, but hopefully it helps others with their projects!
My friend ... I was impressed! the speakers were excellent ... perfect. I love your channel.😎👍
Thanks bud, glad you are gettin something out of it! I'm working at getting a video up on the first 24...
I hadn't cared for Duratex so much till I saw how you're came out with a spray application; love the smoothness.
Thanks man. I was debating on using raptor liner bed liner vs duratex. Really glad how this stuff turned out. Flat color, not a super rough texture, and smooth enough to dust off easily
Wow amazing, no shortcuts taken... So worth the effort
Thanks Josh. They took some time, but I'm extremely happy with them.
My God do you even need a sub for these speakers, I'm super jealous and impressed at the same time, can't wait to see them in action, good job thanks for the content
They won't play super deep with authority. Should have a good midbass presence, but will definitely need a sub for the lows. Luckily, I'll have that covered 😉
Man, beautiful build.
Pretty good looking speakers!
You sir, are a mad Scientist, I have been waiting for this video since you stated you would be doing it. Awesome job.
🤘🏼thanks man!
It’s been a long wait but it was worth the wait. Good video Bro keep up the good work.
Thanks Darren! Unfortunately the hobbies come after family and work 😉
Hahaha I hear you. Anxiously awaiting the video of when you listen to them. 👍🏼
Excellent work... I coulda used this video a few weeks earlier, but hey, if my just finished speaker build looked as good as yours, nobody would believe I did the work... Those puppies are going to be crazy strong speakers, strong enough to be used in a full on commercial theater...
Lol thanks man
This was an Amazing video. This is my second video. You give a lot of information, & help. In this video DYI of yours. This is beyond what I could do. You sir have a new subscriber. It's a great work of art..
Appreciate it Nelson, I'm glad it was helpful for you.
Mad Respect for you builder folks
I love duratex! This is how I always wanted to use it, but haven't gotten a good spray gun yet. Some day I hope to repaint my old EAW SB180's and DS123's the same way.
@maxxarcade when are you going to put out videos again?
@@CoastalEddieUSA Not sure. Too many copyright issues on RUclips these days, and I also have to work all the time.
Great video, I found it looking for HVLP Duratex application, not sure if I want to go for a Turbine based AIO sprayer since I only need it for this one project, or get a gun and compressor like you used. Building the 18" Ultimax Sub kit from Parts Express, but this makes me want to build all my speakers at one point in the future lol.
Having a compressor is nice for many things... having a spray gun is nice too even for the few and far between diy projects around the house. Spraying is much smoother than rolling things
Love the fact that you used SpeakON connections! I did the same on my car subwoofer!
They rock, going to be using them in more applications from here on out
Cool stuff dude, the speakers look awesome ! 👏🏼
I really like this series of videos! That center looks like it is going to sound awesome.
Thanks Christopher! I'm really excited to get some listening time in!
Killer job on the speakers dude. I love the content, you’ll be getting much more subscribers soon
Thanks bud ☺
I think I like the textured roller grade paint over the sprayed. I do like the smooth look on a speaker cabinet but I'm afraid of reflections
Looks great man. Test and share the sounds quality
Fantastic build! I love the set up! ( wish I could hear it)
Thanks Justin!
My boss would kill me if something I build had these gaps. But for a non professional this was really good. Even tho you can make almost everything out of it, mdf is a bitch when it comes to the painting. Very well made boxes, they look awesome.
Yea that first angled box was off just slightly on one edge and it threw a few others off due to that. Everything else fit up pretty nice for me though. And yes, MDF does suck to paint lol. Thanks man
looks nice, I get very similar results spraying with truck bed coating, surface is a little rough which makes wiping off the surface not the greatest, then I sprayed some thick glaze over the coating and it looked fantastic and cleaning off was easy.
hello sir, i find your videos very informative and entertaining as well..but i am wondering how you interconnected the different speakers incorporating a dividing network .. can you show us in schematic diagram all the interconnection of all the speakers in each box.. reason why i want to find our how is impedance matching between the speaker system and the amplifier..i just would like to know if there would be risk of damaging the amplifier if multiple speakers are already installed.
Everything is wired in parallel off of the crossover. I go over that in the crossover assembly or final assembly video. Final load is 8 ohms. You can find more specific information about the drivers and specs on DIY Sound Groups website. As long as your final load is within the amplifiers capabilities (usually 4 ohms or higher) you should be fine wiring multiple speakers together
True with any coating you apply other then epoxy. I would wait 90 days minimum.
Impressive!
Most impressive.
You put a lot of thought into the design, materials, and construction of these speakers. Bravo.
A few questions and comments:
1) Could you have used the stronger body filler only?
Any specific reason/s to use the spackle also?
2) Have you found or heard of,
copper.. or better-
gold-plated copper
contact components for the
Speakon connectors?
3) Silver solder instead of crimp connections throughout?
I’ve found that sometimes,
the bond, the connection those crimps make are not as complete
as highly conductive solder, wetted well.
Additionally,
the copper wire can/will
oxidize using them.
Lastly, just from current transmission,
there can be
micro- loosening of those connections over a long time span;
but more so from the vibration
of drivers, individually and collectively.
Crimps for ease of removal?
Mm, a touch with a hot iron
is quite fast also,
and better connection the whole time?
Overall, eliminate 30-40?connectors, of inferior metal?
Imagine the weight reduction..
for each speaker..
by removing all that hardware!
Lol! 😋
4) Connecting your awesome,
well-made 14 AWG Speakon speaker cables results in a gratifying smile.
Subsequently connecting
12 AWG...
awesome well-made Speakon
speaker cables results
in a gratifying smile,
38% wider.
(12 guage...
it's just what we do. 😎)
No criticism here, just sharing ideas.
I appreciate,
what you've made,
and the benefits you provide
from all your effort in making this and these, high quality
videos.
Thank you.
Thank you Anthony! Wow, let me see if I can get to all of this lol...
1. Yes you can use the body filler for everything. Since I wasn't doing any major filling, the spackle is just easier to work with (no mixing with hardener) and sands very easily. And it's cheaper. Easy cleanup... You get the idea. It's really just filling in the porous edges.
2. I have only seen the normal speakon connectors, none with gold plated or copper connections. Many use these for high powered subs (as I will be doing as well) and don't seem to have had issues. I actually was worried about this myself but I have not been able to find anything on them limiting current/wattage.
3. That weight reduction is temping... 😉 And yea I have seen where people like to solder the connections instead of connectors. I personally just found it easier for installing and removing if need be. There is the risk of them coming off, but I try to avoid that by compressing the female connectors before installing for a tighter fit. It could still happen though... I have not seen anything where it directly effects sound quality though. But I may have just not come across that information yet :)
4. 12 gauge is installed :) the 14 was available at the time and needed to order more 12 gauge to complete all of the connectors.
I don't take criticism negatively. Everyone has their ways (or just don't know what they are talking about lol!). I've learned a lot from people commenting on videos so I welcome the comments. Appreciate the kinds words and I'll have a demo/impressions video out soon!
Thanks man!
Incredible i sometimes build my own speaker boxes but this is... very nice👍🏻
Thanks bud
If I'm not mistaken that compression driver that was screwed to the back of that woofer serves as a tweeter for the surrounds?
Correct
Dude, freaking beautiful! Also, I'm excited to see how you plan on EQ'ing them.
I'm just going to be using Yamaha YPAO for now, but may go with something like the new Dayton EQ box they just came out with in the future. I will probably play with REW and use the receiver to adjust a few things as well for the time being
Nice job man. Helluva lot easier to watch u do it.
Thanks man. It's a lot easier watching it back myself 😂
Looks nice man, awesome job.👍 love your channel btw.
Thanks man!
They look great! Nice job! Can’t wait to hear them
Very informative video!!!! Great job on the video and on the boxes! 👍😃
Thanks Lance!
Important info missing - The 12" speakers are Eminence Delta 12B
I love this video is so good. Can send me the websites to get the speakers, can this speakers be shipped to Nigeria for a DIY projects, like the 12'', 61/2'' and tweeter, how loud put together can this horizontal one sound looking at it outdoor, what kind of amplifier could power it, only the horizontal box i mean?
Thanks man, the link is in the description but the website is www.diysoundgroup.com
You would have to reach out to them for possible shipping to your country. These are very efficient speakers, so not a lot of power is needed. If you used a higher power pro amplifier, they can reach over 120db, so very loud!
Шикарная работа! Очень красиво получилось. Уверен звучит также классно!
I love this build and congratulate you on the quality of work. I have one concern though. I can almost guarantee that the gauge wire used isn't adequate enough not only for the run from the crossover to each individual driver but certainly not large enough for the speacon connection. With the money invested, I suggest buying quality lower gauge speaker wire. Thanks for the time and work you invested to produce great content for us to enjoy!
Thanks man. You don't think the 14 gauge will be enough? I ran 12 gauge in wall and only have a 125w per channel amp for the mains. They have a sensitivity of 99 db so these really won't take a lot of power to get loud. That's a pretty short run of 14 gauge too.
It should be ok then. Maybe run the 12 gauge from the wall and AVR, atleast up to the speakon connectors. Audiophiles would tell you it isn't adequate.
Yea I might go back and do that when I order some more
@@LifeofBliss run 12ga from AVR to cabinets.
Life of Bliss
Yeah run 12AWG from amp to speakers.
And why not?
Cost for the lengths is insignificant.
Use construction adhesive for speaker cabinet assembly and use 14 ,12, 10ga speaker wire inside cabinets !
Outstanding Job👍🏻 speakers look Amazing
Fantastic job, my friend!
Thanks Craig!
Good job! I cant wait to hear them once set up and get your opinion on them...
Thanks Mr. Balls... lol. I'm in the process of getting something made up for early this next week. But initial impression... 😮😍
Very good u can also use this info in priming and painting in body work as i have painted several vehicles very good job
Thanks Rick. Absolutely. Body work is a little more involved obviously, but similar processes. I grew up doing that and painting cars with my dad. Great skills to know!
@@LifeofBliss absolutely i was taught at first in high school after that git a job with a friends father and I been doing it off and on fir iver 30 years but i have to say blending is the most tedious. And also ghosting its super hard I only screwed up over 25 x lol but practice makes perfect we only learn from our mistakes but don't want to do too many mistakes as it gets costly lol but i have to tell you great vid also while doing your sanding u say u don't like using air or electric type tools Maybe try using a straight line air sander this way u won't have any ginger grooves or uneven spots like u would get from other electric or air sanders or have you already tried that and just prefer the burn in the shoulders lol oh by the way as I was touring you tube I came across your channel and now im a new subscriber and but got double thumbs up from the peanut gallery here lol chat soon
Lol thanks man! Yea if I did more of this stuff I'd probably invest in some better air tools for the job. For now, it's sore shoulders 😂
this was a very awesome video from beginning to end.
Thanks Maurice!
Awesome job looks great 👍
Awesome job. Great choice of speakers as well.
Good job! But i have one question: why you didn't make separate enclosures for mids and woofers? Woofers will interfere with mids by pumping air.
Thanks man. I should have gone over that in the video. The mids are a sealed back design. No need too separate.
So i really like this build:) . I just have to ask doh: Why are the slant off the speakers different? My OCD is killing me right now.
They were different distances from the seating, one needed to be slanted more since it was closer
@@LifeofBliss Ohhh! Then i understand... Man... It was messing with my head, BIG time :D
@@Kareggan 😉 don't blame you. I'll be remaking the boxes if I use them in another setup cause it will mess with me too lol
Can't wait to hear it.
I watched another video where a guy rolled on DuraTex and it looked really, really bad. The spray gun method you used seems to deliver superb results, and I will go this route if I decide to build my own speakers. I'm really looking forward to your impressions on the 1299's. I have been eyeing the 1099 kit myself, but maybe the 12s will be more "future proof". Make sure that you give us a sound test at the "sweet spot" so that we hear what you hear at the proper listening position. I saw another video where the guy was 2 feet from the speaker and all you heard was mid-bass.
Wait... you don't listen to music on your hands and knees 2 foot from the speakers?!? Amateur.... 🤣
i wish they still made speakers like this
There's a few that do. Check out Tekton Designs, they make some pretty cool stuff
that's awesome buddy i could definitely come over to do this together lol
Great built can't wait to hear them.
Very nice work. One sugestion, too late now but when assembling speaker/connector fasteners use locktite (medium) or equivalent to be sure everything stays tight just like for mechanical purposes.
What was the total cost of all the build (start to Finish)? Looks really cool.. How did it sound?
There's a bit of rounding here and not including tools:
3 1299s- $1425
2 volt 10s- $340
Connectors- $60 total? Bought extras
Duratex- $90 per gallon. 1 gallon used
Wood- $75
Crossover boards- $45
Spackle- $10
Insulation- $40
There are some other little costs and already having most tools helped. Bought the spray gun but that will be used for many projects including painting car parts.
They sound great! Coming out with a demo and impressions video soon
I got some tecniec twin 12s speakers I would like to modified them
Great job man. They look cool. You can’t really get a more CUSTOM HT speaker, when your building one of the surrounds at a more of an acute angle than the other to fit your room. Cool. I like it😀.
Thanks Duane. Yea I'll be the first to admit my room isn't the best layout for speakers, but I've tried to make the most of it! One will be much closer than the other, so had to try and compensate for that. Glad you appreciate it 😉 I'll show the room more in the next video.
Life of Bliss how are you going about wall mounting them then? I didn’t see any mounting options in the build video...
I'll be going over that in the next video. Planning on using an aluminum French cleat. I think Hangman is the brand, can't remember if I got that particular brand or not... I'll show it though
Life of Bliss wicked! Thanks man. 👍🏻👍🏻
Best home theater
great video....they look awesome
Need that sound demo please.....honest opinion on the speakers.
Coming soon. Been out if town and computer is having some... technical difficulties... but hopefully back up and running soon.
👍👍
Súper..A great Job...!!
I was wondering how bad Duratex hangs in the air when spraying? Also did you notice if it got on everything in your garage because of that?
Having worked in a body shop in the past I would never consider painting automotive paint in a garage without massive ventilation. Duratex however is quite different than any automotive paint I am familiar with.
Thanks!
It's not bad at all like auto paints. I used to do a lot of automotive painting in the past and the duratex is very different. Technique is the same, but it doesn't aresolize as much and hang in the air. A lot of it dries before hitting the ground too so it leaves behind some dust, though some of it is still wet and will coat the floor. That's why I put plastic down everywhere. But as far as other tools and areas of the garage outside of the spray zone, there was very little overspray that traveled that far
@@LifeofBliss Thanks for the info! Appreciate it!
Really nice video man thanks a lot interested to hear how they sound
I did a follow up video on the sq, but obviously you won't really be able to tell over my recording and through youtube... but they sound fantastic ☺
Question, did you connect the two 1299, 12'' low frequency speakers in series or in parallel before connecting to the crossover, same question for all the speakers how did you connect them before hooking them up to the crossover, please explain, I'm actually an amateur trying some DIY thanks.
Everything was hooked up in parallel for these speakers to the crossover.
Hooking everything in parallel is going to affect the impedance or increase the load on the amplifier. Hooking everything in parallel then to the crossover is that the normal and way of making three way 🔊 or
Great work man!
Can you give us the brand and model of the speakers and treble you use in the cabin?
All the specific model numbers and specs are linked in the description. The DIY Sound Group website has all of that on their website for the 1299 speakers. I don't remember off hand
What brand/model do you have for an air compressor? I just found this channel a couple of days ago and it's awesome!! Keep the vids coming!
Thanks man. Had to take a break for a bit but starting back up now. I have the dewalt 15 gallon compressor. It's an upright with wheels to roll around. They've updated since the model I have, but it's still very similar
I wish I had this kind of music system here in South Africa 😔
Awesome job! I have some small speakers, I'm thinking about rolling them as apposed to spraying them. Would you suggest Duratex? Or something comparable at a lower price point for a first timer.
Duratex is a good product. Holds up well to abuse. I've seen many people prime and roll cabinets with other flat black paints you could find at home improvement stores. may not hold up to scratches as well, but cheaper
@@LifeofBliss I appreciate the response, and who knows maybe I'll go the Duratex route. I'll share some pics or maybe a video when their done.
You should jump on AVS Forum. Lots of good people over there in the diy forum and an easy place to share pics
Nice. Can't wait for the review.
awesome man these are inspiring..... looking forward to the sub build
Thanks Andrew ☺
Very nice work look forward to your impressions..
Do you recommend using one of those electric hvlp guns? If so, which one?
I had a bad experience with a cheapo $50 Wagner. They make some nicer ones that cost more, I just prefer an hvlp air gun since I have a compressor
Man I tried this, and the hopper gun is spraying out large droplets in a huge spray pattern. Changing the pressure doesn't seem to help much. Now I have a soaked mess 😟 I diluted the Duaretex with water too. Not sure what to do
Umm... was it an hvlp gun like I used? You can grab a cheapo one at harbor freight for under $30 for this type of application. Sounds like a gun issue you're having... ALWAYS do a test panel btw. Never start on your main project without confirming the spray pattern is what you want. Good luck man...
I was really impressed with the finish. Great job and great details in video. Rock and roll!
Ready for a sound test video
Should have something this next week for ya
Nice work and very well presented.
This looks like proaudio. How does it sound compared to your previous DIY from Meniscus Audio? I watched your comparison video with the Polk Audio towers. I'm thinking of doing the Vortex, HTM 12, or the discontinued Fusion 12 for two channel Hi-Fi use in a medium sized 1600 cubic foot dedicated listening room. Wondering what your impressions are with music now that you've had this setup for a while. Any feedback would be great. I see a lot of horns now being used in the home---some large, some small. With the SEOS waveguide, I'm wondering if it's all worth it to build my own using the kits without the crossover that's included and instead bi-amping them utilizing a two-way active crossover with two powered subwoofers. Currently I'm using a Dynaudio DIY speaker kit from 20 years ago. I love dynamic sound but I'm concerned a horn will be fatiguing for long listening sessions in a mid to near field seating position. Thanks in advance for any information you can share!
These are great with music imo. They could use a little boost with the low end, but nothing a little EQ can't fix. I usually listen with subs as well so that takes care of the lows. There is no fatigue with these unless I push them past my comfort threshold (aka really damn loud!). Distortion is non-existant as far as I can tell with this setup, they are capable of playing very loud effortlessly. I did like the HiVi towers I built for music as well, probably a bit more if not using a sub. They would get pretty dang loud as well, but nothing like the 1299s can. I am very happy with the switch to the 1299s, just a more natural and effortless sound for me
@@LifeofBliss Ok. Sounds good. Thanks for the reply. I have a few more questions: How do the 1099's image and what's the soundstage like compared to the HiVi towers? How do the crossover networks compare? Have you listened to the Volts with music? When you listen to either, do instruments sound natural and real? Because of the compression driver, are they forward sounding like the typical PA stuff? What are some negatives if you don't mind sharing? Sorry for so many questions but I bet there are others here who are interested in your feedback.
Thanks again, Alex! Love your channel man and I'm surprised you don't have more subscribers. Your production quality, content, and the care you take in editing is impressive!
@@djscott9207 appreciate it man! So the 1299s have a very wide soundstage for me. When you're dead center listening to stereo, it's hard to place where the speakers are but you can pinpoint instruments as they dance across the soundstage. The HiVi set was no slouch either, these just have more depth to them. I would consider them a bit forward, almost on the bright side, but they don't fatigue my ears like there is any distortion going on. Crossovers were great quality imo, I don't claim to know a lot about crossovers but they were quality parts. They also have a complete parts list on the website. Instruments sound amazing. And they are so clear that I've heard things in songs I have miss in the past
@@djscott9207 negatives... they're huge and heavy. Don't have the bass output you'd expect from dual 12s, but like I said you can EQ that up. They weren't really designed for deep loud bass though, so not necessarily a negative, just something to know going into it. Hard to find negatives about them though, they're the best speakers I've owned and heard (but I've spent a lot of time listening to them since they are mine)
@@LifeofBliss Well, I think I will take the plunge for either the Vortex coaxial speaker pkg (similar to the Volt, but for two channel) or the highly revered Fusion 12. I'm running dual 12" sealed subs that are close to flat down to 25hz, which for a dedicated music system and for what I listen to should be fine. I will call Meniscus Audio on Monday to get caught up on their current offerings before I hit the buy button over at the DIY Audio Group.
I'm not sure if I should try to find the discontinued Fusion 12 or go for their HTM 12 that's currently available, which uses the SEOS 15 waveguide as opposed to the SEOS 12 found in the Fusion kit. In my small 14 x 12.5 x 9.5 listening room (1600 cft), I'm not sure which one would be better. Any thoughts? I don't need the passive crossovers. I'm going to utilize an analog active two-way 24/octave LR with a tube amp on the tweeters, which will increase dynamic range and efficiency while minimizing comb filtering inherent in passive networks. I'll try to reach Matt or Eric to see what they think of this setup and what would be the best crossover setting. Thanks again, Kyle.
Can you please give a link to the crossovers used in the towers?
It's in the description, DIY Sound Group 👍
@@LifeofBliss Thank you, and sorry, didn't see it in the description
You're good man, a lot of people don't even know there's a description for videos. These crossovers are obviously specific to the 1299s, but they may work in another project if you wanted similar crossover points.
@@LifeofBliss Ok cool! Thanks again for the quick reply and a very inspirational build! Hope you and your family are safe. Keep up the great work ☺
I have a question for you. a crossover does only divide the frequencies or it amplifies and divides the frequencies. also an 800 watt example crossover is an 800 watt of what. thank you for your reply
The crossover just sends the correct frequencies to the correct speakers. Amplification is done prior to the crossover. No sure exactly what you mean by your second question, but the crossover will also divide the power going to the speakers, with the woofers usually taking up most of the power
I'll share an awesome trick for painting over MDF: mix 50% Elmer's white glue with 50% water and brush on MDF with a chip brush. Allow drying time before paint. This will seal the wood so it doesn't absorb the paint. *may need second coat
well final result is very fantastic
Wow nice job! Did you adjust the gun at 20psi with the trigger pulled? Or 20psi static?
20 psi on the regulator valve on the gun, the tank regulator was set to about 50 or 60 I think. So with trigger pulled it was 20 psi
Extremely accurate info! Thanks
Nice job what size of tip was you spray gun
Thanks man. 1.8 tip
Bad ass, probably saved a shit ton....
Pls make video how to cut wood straight using hand saw
They looks amazing , great job and can't wait for the next video for testing them out 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Ahmad!
wow amazing men nice job and video 🔥🔥
Thanks man! I'm gonna check out your channel as well...
Life of Bliss thanks buddy
I like those..iam from south Africa how much can it cost for making me those pairs and shipment?
Thanks Amen. I'm not really in the position to start making any for others at this point. Sorry!
Newtrike...lol. Noi-trick. Got some great looking speakers man
Lol words be hard... 😁 thanks Zach
Great job!
Thanks David!
Doesn’t the sparkle chip out easy if bumped?
Nope, it's not really structural, just fills in those tiny gaps. No cracking after 4 years
What are those speaker connectors? I can't quite hear it well enough to get the spelling.
Neutrik Speakon connectors. First time using them and I love them.
center channel is sealed cabinet ?
Do you have any kind of air/oil filter between the compressor and the gun ?
I didn't for this project. I bought one for automotive painting in the future. Drained my tank before starting was all. The Duratex is water based so there wouldn't be any real negative effects of a bit of moisture in the line as long as it's not spewing water out lol. Would definitely not hurt to have one, but didn't have any negative effects without one in my case
@@LifeofBliss Thanks for the quick response. I built a trio of 1099 a few years ago and last year I did a pair of VBSS and I rolled on my duratex but I really wanted to spray them. Next set of speakers I build I will have to revisit this vid.
Sure man. Rolling would be easier/less prep. But spraying is soooo smooth 😉 good luck on your future projects bud
Wait, did that primer turn from black to white?
No, may have been the lighting and how the camera caught it. It did lighten up to a gray though
Excellent video series!
My only suggestion is to cut the clapping and the trumpets. It's just a bit tacky or cheesy.
Oh good, I was going for cheesy 😁
The videos Kyle creates are extremely professional hard to believe someone could be critical of them. I applaud the clapping. Get it?
Oh, I got it all right 😉👏