MiSTer FPGA DE10 NANO! Analog How To! RGB, Component and VGA Made Easy! MiSTer Tutorials! 2022 Vers
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
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Almost a year ago I did a tutorial video on how to use the Analog IO board on MiSTer FPGA to get crystal clear and amazing RGB signal into your PVM! But everyone kept asking me to do another tutorial talking about component video on MiSTer FPGA....so here it is! Well its really a retrogaming mashup of RGB, component and VGA video outputs on MiSTer FPGA...so it's even better!
Consider this the 2022 MiSTer Analog Video guide!
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I asked, you answered...and I try to listen :) Of all the requests for new content on the channel one of the most frequently asked for videos is a series on the Terasic DE-10 Nano MiSTer FPGA hardware...so here it is! Retro gaming goodness.
On this episode of our MiSTer series we are going to be talking about all the different analog video sources you can get out of your MiSTer FPGA, breaking down what cables and settings you need in the MiSTer INI files....and more! Oh and if you want a MiSTer FPGA S-Video and component video tutorial...just leave me a comment!
Cables I used
RBGS - www.amazon.com...
Component - www.amazon.com...
VGA - www.amazon.com...
Let's see what June brings!
Questions? Comments? Just leave them below and I will do my best to answer each and every one of them!
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VGE
Yes please. S-video and composite please. That’s what my old consumer TV’s use. Thanks for a great video. Cheers! :-)
I think I will do it. Lots of requests so far
I second this notion as well! Please do!
Looking into it :)
Yes please make the video
So much demand for S video :)
A video on composite would be much appreciated.
Thank you
I will look into it if more people ask :)
I have been using analog video out on the MiSTer for years and this video still had A LOT to teach me. So important.
so glad it helped :)
Even though I'm well past this being useful to me, I love that it was done. A good idea is speaking on using the service menu on either the Sony or JVC TVs to get things looking better (assuming the only issue at that time is service menu related). It took me a few weeks to find anything online about mines, then took me another few months to get explanations of each setting at a super generic level to know what settings I was actually changing. I believe most Sony Trinitrons have the same service menu options.
Yes the service menus are very user unfriendly. Which makes sense
Didn’t finish before I accidentally hit send. Makes sense as the service techs didn’t need an explanation!
@@VideoGameEsoterica now a days it's needed for preservation purposes.
Very true. Not many techs left!
Thanks VGE. It's nice that you create videos the people request. Very informative.
Happy to do it. Plus what people ask for is usually what’s good to make stats wise. Win win
Still waiting for my s-video adapter to arrive. It's been over a month since I ordered. Having a lot of fun with hdmi to composite video to RF on my 80s woodgrain TV. Reminds me of the first time I played these games
Oh man I bet rf is fun to play around with
Tuning through snow, then the occasional thump to stop picture roll.Happy days.
@@VideoGameEsoterica pro tip. instead of buying an RF modulator get a cheap vcr from goodwill. It gave me a cleaner signal than the modulator from amazon
I’ll keep in in mind. Always cheap vcrs in Chicago
Thanks for the vid! Please definitely do a video on composite, as a young beginner who has no life experience on analog TV, your video does help!
Glad it helped. I am looking into composite / component
Svideo video options would be great info for the community as RGB/Component are usually what’s shared. Thanks for all the great content:)
I am looking into it :)
The most annoying thing about analogue out is that the Neogeo is significantly to the left of all the other console cores. If it wasn’t for Sorg hating CRTs and forcing his attitude on the project, we’d have a horizontal shift like on the JT cores…
Yes as I mentioned some cores will require going into the tv service menu and moving the image. Its a bit unfortunate
@@VideoGameEsoterica on my PVM 2130QM, you have to take the back off, get a mirror, and adjust it while it’s running with all the risk that involves. All because of his stubbornness lol. Annoys me every time since it is not a hardware limitation, just an individual stopping it from happening. JT even released the H shift as a module for others to use. Anyway, rant over. Thanks for the video as always.
there is no service menu on that tv that you can adjust?
@@VideoGameEsoterica No unfortunately not. Amazing picture, but they were designed as exhibition TVs and have no service menu at all. You have to change the internal pots every time... Not practical, but on JT's cores it is no issue at all!
bummer. Could always extend the pot to be mounted out the back for easier adjustments
Just want to say thank you for all this information! It’s great to learn new things and the previous video helped me get my MiSTer set up :)
Glad it helps :)
this video was very helpful, I wanted to connect my pc to my pvm and didn't know how. Im buying a vga to rgb connector
Glad it helped!
the cable just arrived, and i cannot get it to work. I connected the vga to my pc and the rgb and sync cables to my pvm. I checked that everything is well connected but it doesn't work... Any idea? Maybe my vga port from the pc is not for video but for a printer? I dont know@@VideoGameEsoterica
Oh wait you are doing PC? This is a MiSTer vid. I haven’t the slightest clue what GPU you are using and how you’d get 240p. A lot of GPUs do not do that
so i need to get 240p in order to work@@VideoGameEsoterica
Nice vid. Now you need to make one about using direct video cause that is more confusing.
I will in the future
Svideo or composite please. Also can you do one on how to minimize lag by outputting 1080i on hdcrt.
I don't own an HD CRT so I really can't do much there but I will think about S Video / composite if more people ask!
Second this. The majority of North American's only ever owned a composite CRT. There are a few ways to connect your MiSTer to a composite CRT, with varying results.
Ok Ok I will look into it :)
if you are talking about a Sony HD CRT, I can help you. you need to enable HDPT and JUMP in the service menu. create a custom video mode of 540p bc the tv can convert to 1080i. or a Retrotink 5x set to 540p if you don't have a MiSTer. any questions, just reply to this and I'll get back to you
the issue is I need to find an HDCRT
Very helpful guide on video signal settings.
Glad it helped!
yes! s-video and composite please!
I will start looking it
I'm using a VGA to Component cable on my crt TV and it looks stunning.
It really looks super clean and sharp no questions
@@VideoGameEsoterica I have a Snes with videocomponent mod and it's impossible to see the diference between both images. If there is a diference, it's minimal.
Only if you get to a PVM do you really start to see a diff but it’s still minimal
I'd love to see the equivalent for the Digital I/O board.
Direct Video? Maybe in the future :)
Would also love to see this!
Lots of love for alt video modes. I’ll look into it
@@VideoGameEsoterica Direct video please :)
Ok ok I’ll put it on the list lol
I was just looking for a video like this. Thank you so much
Happy to do it. It’s a new version of one I did last year
@@VideoGameEsoterica I think I saw that one last year and now I'm actually picking up my first pvm lol
Haha nice. That was just RGB and VGA. This included component because a lot of people asked for it
Might be a dumb question but how do I get analog audio out if it's separate?
The optical audio out is also an analog headphone jack. So use that into whatever speakers you want
Awesome clear guide, thanks VGE!
Happy to do it!
I honestly don't understand what system is this but I like it
Haha I’ll do a video on what MiSTer is for newbies one day
@@VideoGameEsoterica xD sorry I'm really new to rare systems, but they're really interesting :)
It’s not rare. Just an FPGA device. Well they are currently out of stock so a bit rare I guess? Haha
Exclamations! Are! Here! 😘
my favorite punctuation!
It's a shame that Monoprice no longer makes a VGA to 4BNC cable. It is so much cleaner than having one connector just dangling there.
I mean you could always just snip it off to be entirely honest
I recommend you to buy a Extron, really. because it makes it so easier and you wont have issues at all. the BVM are picky sometimes. Extron makes it possible adapt the signals according the BMV needs.
If I needed one I’d grab one but the price / reward ratio for me personally isn’t worth it currently
Extron made loads of boxes. Which one are you talking about?
Great video. Would you consider a video on the new PC CRT video modes recently added?
Maybe in the future. I don’t use MiSTer for any PC related usage outside the X68000 so I’ll have to learn it first before I can teach it
I think you miss too much of the original hardware's charm, by watching these cores on modern progressive screens. Interlaced scanlines was how all these games were designed and played back in the day. Some machines even used the artifacts these screens produced, to mix colours by having two colours next to each other and flickering between them. Apple II being a prime example. This is a great video explaining some of the 'how to' without the why they were. So I think you should get into component and S-video, although there's some current development you may want to wait to mature.
Explaining why is a whole different video that I may do one day
I love this stuff it's going to be a long time before I can get a MISTer but anything about PVMs I have no room for or video output I'm there.
Haha I barely have room for them. The struggle is real
@@VideoGameEsoterica one of my best friends is a doctor and as you'd imagine his job has been very stressful the last few years. I got him collecting Retro stuff and he's gone absolutely nuts with it.
He usually gets what I tell him to. I've been pushing him to get a PVM.
Even he won't go there.
He’s got doctor money and he isn’t buying PVMs? I mean why else do you make doctor money!? Lol
@@VideoGameEsoterica right? He is buying Expensive Super Famicom and SNES games though and he just bought a V Saturn. We're both Getting MISTers when we can get they easier
Neo Geo or nothing! If he’s gonna spend dumb money in the hobby he’s gotta go AES Lolol (no he should def not do that. Nobody should)
Tried using my VGA to Component cables today on my CRT but there is no option for Y Pb Pr within the ini settings for some reason. Just did an update all script the other day. Is there another method to enable this?
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Haha glad you liked it
I'm thinking of getting a MiSTer soon and want the best possible video image. My TV is a KV-40XBR700 HD CRT which only has component/S-video/Composite. Has 1080i and 480p and i hear the best way to view it is 540p but im not sure where to start.
I really can’t recommend much for HD CRT as I don’t have one sadly. But I’d go 480/540P. That’s your sweet spot
Is the Csync for RGB 3.3v or 5v?
For me most cores work on YPbPr fine, but SNES not, TV cannot sync on 480i, very strange.
I’ll have to check it out and see what’s up
Can we please get a video on how to setup ao486 for PVM ?
Very specific. Maybe one day this fall
@@VideoGameEsoterica Thanks a lot man, Learned a lot from your videos. Keep up the great work
Thanks! Plenty more coming
Why is it that when i use mister on a crt it wont let me run update all or change the ini settings?
It isn’t compatible with that resolution. You need to do it on HDMI
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Thank you, this video was very well made and informative. If I tried to use pc cores with my 15khz BVM will it just not display anything?
I’ve yet to test PC cores outside of X68000 but it’s much trickier
what i think is interesting is that early 200s VGA CRT monitors are pretty cheep and have very good image quality. What about repurposing one of those to accept RGB or some system to accept composit or component? am I in over my head and i dont know what im talking about or am i on to something. They seem like good monitors!
As long as you scan double to 31kHz then you are fine
@@VideoGameEsoterica Maybe some of the "multisync" models will work? Just a guess, it's been over 15 years since I last used a CRT monitor. I just found out by chance that some modern LCD monitors will accept 15kHz signals trough VGA, I haven't figured out the exact brand it was, as it was a generic monitor made in China that gets rebranded by various small office supply companies here in Brazil. I managed to get the manual of some of those and none of them mention supporting 15kHz signals and it was unfortunate that I could only find either 16:9 or 5:4 models, not a single one of them was 4:3. They're cheap enough that I'll probably end up buying one for further testing and to try to identify at least who makes the controller it uses. If I find anything interesting about it, I will come back later to let you guys know.
Yea multi sync monitors would be fine too
I have a question. I have a 50" Pioneer Elite monitor. It accepts RGB with both H and V (white and black). I never played with video connection before. Can I use the video processing setting is with connection? Are those settings only accessable with HDMI?
I have no idea in that tv. Never seen it. I’d google that one
There are also Mister IO board come with Sega Saturn video analog port, wondering what's the difference between SS and VGA port?
I have not seen those but I’d get standard VGA port IO bits infinitely adaptable to every format basically
Hello,
In July 2023, if you wanted to play 15khz console and computer cores, would you recommend a 31khz VGA CRT or a 15khz CRT? Is the difference pretty close?
Most 31kHz VGA monitors won’t support 15khz so you’d have to line double. Considering most consoles are native 15khz in MiSTer as are the arcade cores that’s what I’d use
@@VideoGameEsoterica Thanks a bunch for your insight. Are there any cons to line doubling? Flickering?
Not really outside if I just don’t love the look of 15khz games on VGA. I prefer the “look” of a 240p CRT
@@VideoGameEsoterica interesting. i was wondering whether a VGA CRT computer monitor paired with a MiSTer to play Amiga games would be just as good as a 15khz RGB CRT solution, but it sounds like if you could choose between the two, then a 15khz CRT wins by far. Thank you for your help.
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Do you have to change the service menu settings every time you switch cores if there's a resolution change? e.g. snes 224 to ps1 240? Ive only done wii emulation and adjusted to 240p so there's a small gap at the top when I switch to snes which I can live with, is it the same case on the mister?
Yes for the most part on a PVM you will be in the service menu a lot between hardware
@@VideoGameEsoterica Do you know if you can leave multiple usb controllers (daemonbite adapters) in the mister USB hub and they all work? e.g saturn in one port, ps1 in another and snes in another and you can just pick up the controller and change the core? Debating if I need the usb hub or not. Thanks love the channel.
I def recommend a hub
Silly question I'm sure (blame my Newbness ;) ) but how did you get to that Mister.ini editor screen please? Thank you.
Scripts in the main MiSTer menu. Or you can text edit the INI file on the root of the card directory
@@VideoGameEsoterica That's great! Thanks very much! :)
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Can i use component to vga for AV? I watched some videos and they say that i can use it. I have old tv that i want to use as monitor but it only has av not component
Sorry not sure what you are asking? You want to go to VGA to av? As in composite cables?
@@VideoGameEsoterica yes. I want to go vga to av but i only have vga to composite. Im not sure if it will work
You need special hardware for that. You can natively do it
@@VideoGameEsoterica also, i have one tv tbat shares yellow av wire and green composite wire. I think that it should work if i connect that shared av/composite
I haven't tested this yet, but can't you leave the SOG switch set to "auto" for component video and set it in the ini file now?
Yes but I’ve heard reports sometimes it doesn’t function perfectly so I pointed it out
SCART ?
I don’t have a tv with SCART input unfortunately
its ok ;) thank you for quick answer. great channel :D cheers
Appreciate that :)
Let me tell you one trick so you can capture video images from crt screens clean and clear. You have to filme/capture those images in 30fps, thats it.
Tell me if that worked for you, i hope i did help you
It’s still not amazingly foolproof
@@VideoGameEsoterica but it is better right?
You can do 60 as well. You need to be divisible by 60 and you also need a shutter speed that’s divisible. In whole numbers
@@VideoGameEsoterica I just choose 30fps on my camera and the images from crts become cristal clear
But dont get me wrong, your images are fine