New Jubilee Tube Line | Carriages designed to last until 2020! | London underground | TN-83-080-028
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- THAMES NEWS. 11.11.83. L.T. UNVEIL NEW JUBILEE LINE TUBES. PM. 83/80/28.
Interview: Peter Richardson. LT.
Gvs: The new coaches.
D.I.Y. Door opening buttons.
New ventilation. Coach Int.
Drivers cabin
View from cabin.
SIMON NEAVE.
To licence this footage please contact archive@fremantle.com
Quote: TN-83-080-028
Thames News was the flagship regional news programme of Thames Television, serving the Thames ITV region and broadcast on weekdays from 12 September 1977 to 31 December 1992.
"Will be carrying us when we're all 30 years older, until 2020"
HAH
OH HOW THEY WHERE *SO* WRONG
How? Plz explain
Lol, true 😂😈
@@quickhatch8160 Those trains are no longer on the jubilee line, they were replaced 5 years ago (I think) - which is way before 2020!
@@joshuanewbould7956
They were replaced more than 5 years ago. It's a pity, they were spacious and whizzed fast.
@@spidyman8853 the reason was that they were ridiculously unreliable leading to the purchase of the 1996 stock to replace them.
I used these trains daily to get to school. They were always unreliable and I heard from a TFL bigwig that most of the parts were recycled left overs from the 1973 stock. No wonder these trains were destined to fail. That old kettle on board the train probably outlived these.
The 1992 stock on the Central Line has derailed countless times, some have also been stuck in tunnels with failed fuse boxes, terrible design, this never happened on the stock that it replaced and there was no derailments with the 83 stock you see in this video. Total waste of money.
@@Nick_80599 But then again, factor in that the 1992 stock would probably be lighter than the stock it replaced, making it less stable. Then again, I'm sure magnetic wheels could fix this problem.
@@Nick_80599 but the 1992 stick is set to be replaced earlier than some of the oldest fleet on the underground for that very reason
I was a driver on the Jubilee Line and I can tell you that the 1983 stock was actually the tube (ie deep level) variant of the D78 stock used until a few years ago on the District Line. Compare the cab layout in both stocks. Similarly, the '62 stock that ran on the Central Line prior to the 92 stock was the deep level equivalent of the A stock that was recently withdrawn from service on the Metropolitan Line. The main reason for the '83 stock's withdrawal from service was the fact that they had single leaf doors (like the D78s) and this caused a lot of delays (especially at peak times) when passengers would hold them open: being much shorter in height than D stock, this made it more difficult to board the trains as the door width was considerably less than the double doors normally used on LU rolling stock. It also caused the doors to fail with monotonous regularity too!
"So these spanking new coaches will be carrying us when we're all 35 years older, until the year 2020."
...right.
Not with us now are they
@@quickhatch8160 no, the last one went out of service in 1998 I think.
@@calldfwp2230 i think i meant to type ' no, they aren't with us anymore'
i wasn't around back then anyway.
"Tube trains last a long time", yeah, unless you are talking about the 1983 stock. Lollilol.
Lewowis DSD Or if 14 years in service is "a very long time".
The 1983 stick had a lot of problems with the motors breaking down.
The biggest problem was the single leaf doors. Too expensive to change, and they were killing dwell times so the timetable just couldnt be adhered to. No choice but to get rid of them with the JLE coming, which they believed would be ATO at the time. Had they known TBTC wouldnt in the budget until the late noughties, it is well possible they may have lasted a lot longer.
Yeah! They said they would last till 2020 and the 1996 stock is coming to the end of her life
Lewis DSD the single leaf doors helped to kill off their service on the Jubilee line. Big mistake to put single.leaf doors only the District line D Stock got away with it.
These trains didn't even make it to 2000, let alone 2020. They were all taken out of service and replaced by brand new stock again (the 1996 stock) in time for the Jubilee Line Extension opening at the end of 1999. None of the 1983 Stock featured here ventured onto the extension, and nearly all were scrapped, after barely 12 years' service. A few carriages survive as static art studios near Shoreditch High Street, you can see them from the Overground line in passing.
Ian Mcclavin well, what a waste. I'm sure they would be convenient for the isle of Wight, with its ageing 38ts.
sjain It's too late now, and they had another chance with the 1967 Stock from the Victoria Line. So still the '38 Stock soldiers on between Ryde and Shanklin for the moment. The idea of converting that line into a tramway has now been mooted.
Ian Mcclavin yeah. All the better to have the 38TS in service for enthusiasts anyway!
Ian Mcclavin they pretty much copied the D Stock Distrct Libe design and it failed big time.
Ian Mcclavin I like how they look
2020? It's 2018 and we have refurbished 1996 tube stock
Thank you so much Thames News about the old Jubilee Line it helps Transport For London Engineering Works Team!
The 1983 stock got the chop early on, the single leaf door design is what helped to kill off its service and had many faults on it.
Only the ex District line D Stock pulled off the single leaf door design.
Sloppy train building by Metro Cammell. They really dropped the ball with the 1983 stock.
And to think they replaced the 1972mk2 on the Jubilee line, which is still serving the Bakerloo line today.
That's why vivarail are trying to mostly target companies that run rural services like the marston vale line or low density commuter routes like the ryde-shanklin line withe the D-trains because then the single leaf doors aren't a problem.
@@calldfwp2230 yh
....1972 mk 2 stock still serving the Bakerloo line in 2022!! - 50 years on. Looks like they will remain in service on that line til 2030! lol
Passenger door control first was tested on the 1938 stock , the 1983 stock never lasted as long as though
It’s been more than 35 years now
Here we are in 2020, at the time of posting and the 1983 tube stocks were either scrapped or converted to studios less than 15 years after entering service
They didn't enter service in 1983, they were designed/constructed then. Same with the 1995 stock on the Northern line, they entered in late 1998. Some of the 83 stock did not last 10 years on the Jubilee line as some came into service in 1987.
The 1972 stock on the Bakerloo line was used on the Jubilee line from 1979 until there was enough 1983 stock, the 72 stock was actually for the Jubilee line but I think the line back then wasn't as busy as now.
I actually miss the 83 stock...
Even the 1972 Tube Stock, the one the 1983 Tube Stock replaced, lived longer! They would have been better of putting the 1983 Tube stock after their life on the Bakerloo Line!
I agree.
The Bakerloo line probably would've been better off keeping the 72 stock, 83 stock was a mess that was riddled with faults, no wonder they ditched it so quickly.
LMFAO A stock of the Tube award goes to Bakerloo, which has the oldest trains in the uk’s metros
(By tube I’m referring to any underground line that is not metropolitan, circle etc.)
They were built to indirectly replace the 38 stock trains running on the bakerloo line.
It's a pity. I loved this Jubilee line 1983 stock. It was spacious inside and they whizzed fast.
The pole design reminds me of the 1995/96 stock poles.
These 1983 disasters got the chop from the Jubilee line very quickly.
A big mistake by LU to use the D Stock single leaf doors on them. It caused so many problems and had many defects on it.
Only the ex District line D78 stock got away with the single leaf doors.
'83 stock lasting until 2020!? Thats a good one 🤣🤣🤣
These would be the last of the *"Turby Tubes"* which still dominated much of London Underground's network of cute metro trains at this time. Subsequent stocks which were to come out afterwards in the 1990s & beyond would bring 'the Tube' into the 21st century with even more modern, dynamic, innovative super duper trains!
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@@burgerpommes2001 Clearly not a great fan of the ol' turbies!
Turby tube?
Ahh memories, used them to go to college and out and about, one of my fav deep tube stock.
It’s 2021 now, when they were supposed to be retired.
And here we are in the year 2020
They didn't even last thirteen years 1983-1996 when they got replaced at the time of the extension open. R.I.P.
0:08 Wow!!!!! That actually thought that!!
tbh i wish they still exist they look so cool
Don't the 96 stock that replaced them look almost the same? (Well the basic deign shape anyway)
although these were just a deep-level version of the d stock so we kind of had them for longer?
2020 Pah
It didn't even last 10 years before it was replaced with the 1996 stocks.
Always had problems.
Electrical generators for lighting the carriages didn't work, ventilation didn't work & motors often failed.
They didn't make it to 1999 let alone 2020, I remember the 96 stock appearing early 1998 and someone told me the first one entered service at Christmas 1997. But they definitely were running in 1998 and they even went to Charing Cross. Charing Cross is still on the DVA.
I don't understand why they did not keep some of these 1983 stock trains to run between Stanmore and Charing Cross, they could have run a less frequent service to Charing Cross making sure that the 96 stock did not reduce frequency between Stratford and Green Park.
They also underestimated how busy the Jubilee line would be and now the 96 stock is up for replacement because its becoming inadequate.
That would reduce docklands capacity
I'm very much looking for a thames news clip from autumn 1989 about the first ever refurbished underground trains.
"Will be carrying us when we're all 30 years older, until 2020"
I didn't really like the 1983 stocks, they used to move a lot when I used to sit on them but I wish a few of them were left for preservation.
The last of them entered service as late as 1988, so had about a decade of life, if that. Talk about a white elephant (well silver)
Those 1983 stocks never got to live to 2030
+Story Arc They barely made it to 1996...
yeah
TCDAM Mania They were retired in 98 after only 14 years in service. Those original watchers won't be riding them when the newborns of the time would be 35 years old.
@@QuarioQuario54321 Some of the second batch (1987-88 ) only had 10 years
While the design inspiration was clearly similar to those on the D78 stock, the 1983 tube stock did not have a successful time. They were dogged with problems related to the single leaf doors
‘Till the year 2020’
‘Open Manually Doors’
These Comments Aged Well
This aged well
LUL: This train will last till 2020
Also LUL: This train will not work in Jubilee line extension thanks to platform edge doors, Lets retire them by 2000.
They fit the psd
83 stock trains only lasted until summer 1998 before replaced by 1996 stock Alstom trains ready for the extension in 1999
8:55, that train was being driven with the tail lights on the front. Is this a peculiarity of the London Underground or had matey forgotten to check them before leaving the depot?
I think that this is done to denote that the train is running in a non-standard mode, i.e. not a normal passenger service so this would allow any LUL platform staff to see at a glance that it's not a normal service when it enters the station.
@@shoutyshouty if that’s true I’ll be utterly amazed.
Usually, when both red and white lights are displayed on the front end of the train it means that the train is performing a wrong directional move: ie going north on a southbound line, for example during a period of single line working.
@@Musichead1968is that the procedure on the Underground? Again I’d be surprised if true. I can tell you that’s not the case on the UK Mainline as wrong direction moves would still require headlights to be displayed at the end being driven from.
Either way this train only had the tails on.
"These trains cost the equivilent of 7 rolls royces" lol the trains did not even make it pass 2000 and its life spand is till 2020,YIKES
“These trains will be in service until 2020”
Well well well, how the turn tables
7 rolls royces 😱
It’s 2021 and their successors may not run in even 2030
0:14 NO!
Looool
sounds as though its got a square wheel already
prong holes to electrical sockets along our subway platforms used to be skewed compared to those found in the regular market; they'd accommodate the operator's appliances underground (polishers, vacuums, washers, etc.) such that you couldn't plug in your boogie boxes, but sometime this century I notice that the sockets are now replaced bybthe standard market type...oh! and the purchase price of each one of our cars from about ten years beforehand had already cost that much too
They look a lot like the 1996 stock if you look at the front
Also the body profile of the 96 TS is almost identical to that of the 83 TS.
I like the motor sound of the stock's successor.
Lasting to 2020? I don't see any now ... in fact, I don't think anybody's seen one since about 1996 ...
“Carrying us until 2020.”
Here in 2021: nope, sadly. It feels so strange hearing people saying 2020 from decades ago. In no way could they have imagined what goes on today.
Just watching this in 2020 and I don’t think they have been around for 20+ years
What's the point of the one-piece doors? It just doesn't make sense, especially if they knew that the Jubilee would be extended in the future. They went backwards in progress with the D78 trains and then this type, after decades of making trains with double doors.
One more thing: Would it really be such a problem to have more than one window style on a train? Here in New York, some trains used to have that (in some eras, it was common to see mismatched colors). I sometimes laugh at the reason why the 1996 trains couldn't have the oversize windows like 1992
What's the point of the one-piece doors? It was cheaper I guess.
well, £350k can just about get one roll Royce today..
Lasted about 12 years
so which stock is the train we have now?
Sweetiie X 1996 stock
You should have added a clip of their replacement attached to this clip.
When withdrawn from Jubilee, why didn't they transfer the cars to another line?
There were none that needed new carriages, at least the deep level lines. The oldest Tube stock at the time not already being replaced was the 1967 stock and they were good enough already and the single doors of the 1983 stock would really slow down boarding and alighting on the already-crowded Victoria line, not to mention that these trains only had 6 carriages yet the victoria needed 8. All other Tube lines had modern enough stock already
They couldn't be used on the Victoria, as the 1983 stock wasn't designed for ATO, at the time, the Victoria was the only fully automatic Tube line. Plus the Victoria Line's 1967 stock replacement was already being planned anyway. Tube stock runs at 7 carriage trains, only the Jubilee had 6 due to there not being enough passengers on it pre-extension.
The Jubilee DID have 7 car trains--the 72's were all 7 cars! The last 72 didn't leave the Jubilee until 1989, when converted to OPO it had both 72 & 83 stocks in service until the Mkll 83's were all delivered. The 83's were the same length as a 72 as each car was longer than the 72's (just like 6 car D Stock being equal to a 7 car R or CO/CP stock).
There were plans to transfer the stock to the Piccadilly Line, but it never happened because it was not cost effective. So the '83 stock was eventually scrapped.
“They hope it will last to 2020” 😂😂😂 they barely made it to 2000! 🤣
Erm... ...they didn't make it to 2000.
Scrapped by the late 90s
They made it to 1998.
Scrapped (i hear) was because the doors were too small and the couplers were too weak, any other reasons???
Unreliable
Julibee line extension is another reason (more trains required to run a full service, LU prefer to not run mixed stock services on their lines). The JLE also has features that were incompatible with the 83 stock.
Shouldve rebuilt the bogies like on the d78s.
Didn’t the D78s get their bogies replaced after the demise of the 83ts though? In any case iirc the 83ts would have required a lot of modifications (they would have kept them alongside the 96ts when the extension happened, but it was decided that it’d be better to just replace them all!)
This proves how wrong one could be
"Lasting until 2020" what a lie that turned out to be
Wasn't a lie, LT didn't know the Government would demand/give the go ahead for the Jubilee line to be extended to the newly developed Docklands 7 years later, which nobody wanted to move into, but suddenly attracted the newspapers away from Fleet Street and the banks. The Jubilee was the least used Tube line at the time, so the trains were designed for light passenger use. They did look into mixing them with newer stock, but it just wouldn't have worked with the way the Jubilee Line extension turned out, plus the entire line was upgraded for ATO, something the 1983 trains wouldn't be able to be upgraded to.
They aren't here today
There was an idea for the 1983 stock trains to have double doors for the extension but that was too pricey.
So much for keeping them till 2020 what a joke
They said that the trains will carry us until 2020, well it only lasted 12 years until 1997 XD
haha get the kettle on!
Well this aged well
1985: these spangly new trains will stay with us when we are all 35 years older till the year 2020. Yeah that didn’t age well
omg! so even corporate cameramen around GB bore no penchant for filming platform dwells thereabouts
The 96 stock is now falling apart.
god bless 1996
*laughs in 1996 stock*
Haha, it’s 2020 now.
Well, that was a lie...
STOP BEING RUDE NONE OF YOU KIDS CAN LIVE UP TO THE YEAR 2100
lmfao
Then comes the much better and less uglier 1995/1996 stocks 😏
The thumbnail didn’t age well 😂😂😂
2020! Hahaha!
knicks
Until the year 2020 LOL! They didn't last 5 years did they?
14 years max.
It didn't make into 2000
even the 1982 stock was better than the current always breaking down 1996 stock
+Kirkinstein The 1996 stock is far better than the 1983 stock.
+grahamf19 yeah I like the 1992 stock!
1995 and 1996 stock are due for replacement in 2026. 1992, 1973 and 1972 stock are due replacement in 2022. By which point the 1972 stock will be 50 years old. London Underground however now have a policy of renewing their stock every 30 years. Sadly the Piccadilly and Bakerloo line have gone past the 30 year mark.
1992 is worse
Nah 30 years too short it’s about 50 years if they are performing well.Dont forget they would like a good return on that £1 billion plus investment.
The 1983 Stock, what a pile of crap. Looked awful, shoddily made, junked in less than 15 years. Typical Thatcher era crap investment in public services.
Withdrawn after just fourteen years.
they all got replaced in 1996. load of horsecrap
Well, that didn’t age well!
They were really bad the interiors look cheap and nasty not as nice as the D stock and would clunck and bang before they moved off and the single door ways really early 80s penny pinching from a Tory government who hated the railways ,sad end to the last unpainted tube trains to be ordered and metro camels reputation
BOLLOCKS
It's 2019 and those trains haven't been seen on the Underground for years! Plus none of the deep level tube trains have fans or AC. How many more summers will we all have to melt on the Central line?
I think when new tube for london comes to replace the 1972,1973 and 1992 stocks (running on the bakerloo,piccadilly, central and waterloo and city lines respectively) they will have air conditioning but those won't arrive until the 2030s.
Nope, it was 2022 I believe when the 72, 73 and 92 stock replacements, probably then known as the 22 stock, will start to come in.
@@buksi6342 No, actually. Apparently they were planned to be the 2024 Stock, but then were changed to the 2025 Stock, and afterwards the TfL announced they won't start service until the 2030s
0:14 NO!