WHAT IF Jon DIDN'T Kill Daenerys | GAME OF THRONES
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- Опубликовано: 9 окт 2019
- WHAT IF Jon killed Daenerys Targaryen during the Game of Thrones finale?
I go over what I think would have happened in Jon Snow did NOT kill his lover, Daenerys during Season 8 of Game of Thrones. 
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what if Dany didn't freak out when the bells wrung and accepted their surrender
I second this one ☝🏻
I have to imagine it'd be pretty similar truthfully, other than Cersei and Jaime hopping on a dingy to raise their kid in secret. Would be fun if the kid grew up to lead a charge to take the Throne back.
THe Lannisters would almost seem sympathetic in that scenario!
Everything wouldve been fine. The end (just kidding)
I doubt they would try to take the throne again. They literally just witnessed a Dragon take down their army and Navy basically on it's own in minutes. Likely they would wait for at least 200 years when drogon is older thus can't move much like Balerion when he was old.
Emperor Palpatine
More likely they'd perish like normal people in Essos. Also Cersei doesnt need to be around kids. If i were Jaime i'd kill her after giving birth before she gets ANOTHER one killed :/
What if Ned told Jon what his parentage was before he left for the wall?
Yes!
Jon has a reason to be angry to Ned
Maester Aemon gives him 3 Dragon Eggs, which he hatches, when he walks into the flames during Ygritts funeral. He lets all 100.000 Wildlings south of the Wall and the People at Hardhome survive, because the Dragons hold them off long enough´. He gets murdered, but is brought back to life by Melissandre and the Dragonfire. He takes Winterfell with ease and now has a complete Army of 100.000 Wildlings, giants Mammoths and 3 Dragons which grow extremely fast. He meets with Daenerys to discuss an alliance, yet he is far more powerfull in this situation since he has the stronger army and equally powerful Dragons. They agree to marry for the alliance, take King's Landing together and then rally all 7 Kingdoms against the White Walkers. They win and live a happy life.
At least that's what I wanted to happen
@@Goetterkomplex_ thats nice mr genocide but we know there is no dragon eggs in North or in winterfell. Enough of jon being the chosen one it seems too much of cliche
@@Brandonhayhew Well, maybe Aemon took em from King's Landing when he joined the Watch and hid them somewhere. Or Rhaegar found them and left them in the tower of joy where Ned found them and gave them to Aemon idk
Depressed fans: *are depressed*
Thebattproductions: *keeps uploading videos about game of thrones despite everyone one else moving on*
Depressed fans: 😌❤️
You understand me :)
I was depressed about that and personal stuff for a period of time, but I'm back and more than happy to make videos about some of the less-miserable parts of GOT. I've been re-watching scenes from Season 8 and it actually has me hating it less. Some legit dialogue in there, even though there was some bad dialogue as well.
TheBattProductions I feel ya, I feel like I’ve been in mourning over the characters. I know that sounds weird but I became really attached to the characters especially Dany. I’ve been watching all of your videos about GOT and tbh I became emotional over it because it shows how much people were impacted by it.
You forgot that Daenerys can respawn her Armies.
Care to elaborate?
LMFAOOO
@@thealpha_wulf8983 I don't get it, could you help me here?
Samuel, all the Dothraki died in winter fell and so did most the unsullied. Yet, when they fought in kings landing all the Dothraki and unsullied came back (respawn) like a video game. Lol
@@Jordaleenie Oh shit, you're right. Lul
What if Jon snow and Daenerys Targaryen married?
Yeah I would've liked this better since she married Hizdar in season 5 for politics, she knew she had to get married once she got to Westeros to create alliances that's why she left Daario in Mereen, so the fact that they were politically pit against each other was the stupidest story line ever.
@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 Agreed, Jon and Daeny getting married would work well. Heck, it might even be more dramatic if Jon doesn't find out until after they're married and are having a baby that's he's a Targuryen and rightful king. It would be perfect Oedipus parallel.
That’s exclusively fan fiction. GRRM is never going that route!
It's a nice day for a white wedding.
Clarify. Do u mean before or after going to King's Landing?
If this happened Arya would use her faces to assassinate Daenerys. She’d probably kill one of the unsullied, take his face, and then kill dany
Plot twist- she dresses up as Daenerys using her face and takes over and used the dragon to completely dracarus the crap out of the remaining army. she either dies or fake your death laughing screaming "Burn them all!"
Edit - perhaps this backfires and Drogo can tell that's not mommy
That's another good solution!
I'd love to see Arya impersonate Grey Worm, if she really is a master of face magic, it would be both awesome and humorous at the same time.
@@TheBattProductions Just a minor nitpick, Jon may technically be immune to fire like Daenerys, so a Dothraki or unsullied will need to kill him by sword, and even that may not work as you don't know what the Lord of Light might do.
@@time391 He could be immune to fire, but I highly doubt it. That's just a Daenerys-trait moreso than a Targaryen one. Targaryens have gotten burned many times - Dany seems to be the only one who can deal with it alright
What if Euron didn't kill Rhaegal? What if Sansa didn't tell Tyrion Jon's true identity?
Rhaegal was Jon's dragon - Euron basically neutered Jon when he killed it.
@@sleekoduck yup
1) Rhaegal would have been killed from scorpion on KL walls by a random soldier and Dany burning down KL would actually make sence.
2) Not much if anything at all. The only think Tyrion knowing the truth changed was that it killed Varys. Dany would still be depressed because of everyone she lost and Jon would have probably still rejected her because he could not get over the incest and so the outcome would be the same with the possibility of Varys being alive this time. Im sure he would have died before the end of the story in some other way though
The audience kind of forgot that Rhaegal was already half dead after that claw fest with Viserion during the long night. He might not have even survived to attack Kings Landing. As for Varys, he's a slimy traitorous double agent in the books and the show, so I was happy to see the mer-eunuch burn.
Dragon's immune systems are likely that of alligators and crocodiles, really powerful so it would've easily fought off infection. Tyion and Daenerys are at fault for Rhaegal's death they shouldn't of have been sailing in the first place they all should've gone by road so they wouldn't split up their already nearly depleted resources. And going by road would've given Rhaegal more time to heal as they would've had to make many stops at towns and camps regardless and he would've been at least 80% ready to throw down at King's Landing.
It would be a truly massive project, but you should do “What if Aegon’s Conquest failed.”
Oh well fudgsicle I don't know how to tackle that truthfully
There was no way for him to fail. He had three full grown dragons with riders!
@@milicaraseta5173 Well Dany had 3 dragons and struggled but to be fair: he didn't face off against the Night King
Well i guess the seven kingdoms would remain 7 independent kingdoms ruled by 7 kings as opposed to a United kingdom ruled by 1 king
we would have the north,vale,island and rivers,westerlands,stormlands,reach and dorne as their own kingdom,what is the crowlands would be disputed between the stormlands and the the kingdom of the isles and rivers
When Daenerys first got to Westeros she did want to go straight for Kings Landing which actually would've been smarter!!!! Post poning the war with Cersei cost her half her army, her allies such as Dorne, The Reach and the Iron Islands, 2 dragons, Jorah and Missandei. So when she said in 7x04 that she wanted to take her 3 dragons to the Red Keep she should've done it. Yes there would've been plenty of collateral damage but it wouldn't have been anything like we saw in 8x05. So Tyrion's dumb ass diplomacy ideas about going about the war actually always failed, attacking Casterly Rock and trusting Cersei all backfired and the city got destroyed anyway so Tyrion was a fucking idiot and a worthless Hand. He got outsmarted by Cersei at every turn.
Going by book and tv Dorne and the Reach lords would’ve tried to poison her anyway. The Iron Isles were never hers to begin with. So even if she took KL she would’ve been killed anyway.
@@reginaldtyroneshort why would they try and kill her if she hadn't done anything to them? They didn't try to kill Cersei, Tommen, Robert or Joffrey.
@@boymomx3OG he really did, he's not very intelligent at all
Sydni Taylor based on The Books and the show The Dornish lords always wanted independence and the sands had already killed their own kin Dany was just another foreigner who wanted them to bow down. The Reach Lords all claim descent from Kings and think they deserve to rule the Reach if not all of Westeros so it would’ve been civil war wants Olena died and Highgarden was up for grabs. Assassinations would’ve been numerous. The Ironborn can only survive through rape murder and theft and each captain is king on his ship Yara had no way of keeping her vow to end piracy against the 7 kingdoms especially since most captains were against her to begin with.
Tyrion got nerfed
*What if Bronn never got his Fooking Castle*
Best one.
He deserves a castle just not high garden give him the twins he’ll be happy cause of the river bridge tax and
dany would never kill herself she would fight till the end
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@@Unknown-vk3iv. This is so cute. Omg
Rupert John Lenin Garcia what is lol
@@Unknown-vk3iv, I was replying to someone else who also replied on this thread. But I think they've deleted it.
Blue and then some like stannis
What if Daenerys doesn’t burn down Kings Landing
What if Daenerys Targaryen was pregnant with Jon Snow’s baby?
katerina petrova hell yes
He would have still killed her. The stakes are the same. He kills a loved one to save the world.
I guess we will have to wait for the books to see the answer
@@darkstar9380 Yep, I agree I think he still would have made the same choice- it just would have upped the heart wrenching levels that much more :( (honestly, as depressing as it would have been, it kind of would have made a lot of sense for them to go that route.)
@@stephaniel2850 I think there was a leaked pic of pregnant Dany at dragonstone before she kills Varys. I think they cut out her pregnancy because it be too depressing and taboo. Either way it's screwed up and Jon is messed up for life.
What if "I" (you) wrote/directed season 8.
I like the way you think, Angel Van DAMN you've got an awesome name and haircut.
@@TheBattProductions I like the way you think 😈 hence the prompt.
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I do think HBO missed a great opportunity to carry on another 2/3 seasons with Daenerys as "mad queen". I think it would also be worth mentioning giving that Drogon and the scorpions were mentioned in this video, Drogon would eventually get bigger, so big that the scorpions would've been useless against him. It would've been really cool to have seen him grow even bigger than Balerion The Dread. I liked the idea of Drogon and Daenerys burning down The Vale, it would've sent a message across Westeros that no castle is impregnable whilst Daenerys has Drogon. But like I said, missed opportunity.
The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
Drogon should wait some couple Houndread years to become as big as Balerion.
@@vulcan387 not really, In the show the Dragons grow much faster, Drogon was already almost of balerion size when he died
@@eybisborjasvargas6889 I meant balerion
i would have prefered a whole season of slowly, town by town, a white walker war of attrition. make each death anguished, each mile the white walkers take horrifying. have the final battle in kings landing after barely taking it, having cerseis loyalists knifing people while they struggle to keep wights out. really hammer home the misery of the situation.
It all depends on if Jon decides to love her back tbh. She was talking about them ruling the world together when she died. I imagine she would be cool with him embracing his Targaryen heritage as long as they married and ruled together. Its actually pretty ideal for her. All Jon had to do was be marry her. You think Sansa's gonna rebel if Jon was on the Iron Throne too?
No they wouldn’t rebel. The north gets their King. Sansa who had ZERO political skill couldn’t stoke the Northern lords agaisnt him.
This is why I thought him killing her was wrong- it’s like they ridiculed her for not giving the free ppl a choice and then basically unsliced her before she could prove her worth. If Jon could get that close to her to do that, then he could’ve AT LEAST waited.
Jon is the hero of the northeners and also has a stark mother. There is no way that they would back sansa up. She maybe would have the riverlands and vale but thats not enough. Stormsend would be on Jons and Danys side because gendry owes Dany his whole position and is a friend of jon.
Sansa would have no choice but accept them as rulers
I feel like Gendry would stay loyal to Daenerys since she legitimized him and gave him Storms End. Also, one factor you have not considered is how the various minor lords of the Westerlands and the Storm Lands would handle having an outsider (ser Davos) or a bastard (Gendry) suddenly become their liege lord. That could be another source of rebellion as they try to seize control for themselves.
Since we know or can guess that Gendry was successful in reuniting the Stormlands. I am sure that the Stormlands would've sided with Daenerys for the reason you said she legitimized Gendry and made him Lord of Storm's End. Yet I also think he would support her and the Lords of the Stormlands because she killed off the Lannisters. Though if Sansa wanted the Stormlands to be with her in a civil war then she'd try to convince Arya to marry Gendry so that she can have him and his armies on her side.
@@Austin123. But we all know Arya. She will never be convinced by Sansa.
i would have perfectly been fine with him killing her if .. drogon would have burnt him down right after he did that ..
Exactly. There was so much wrong with the finale; but if this had to be, having Jon face no consequences for killing her is so ridiculous and fan fiction-y.
Drogon not killing Jon was his punishment. Jon now has to live with the fact that he killed his aunt, his queen and his lover for the rest of his life. This is the second woman he has loved that died in his arms. I don't think he is looking for a third anytime soon. That is a guilt that will never fade away. Drogon knew about Jon and Dany. He knew they were in love and that Jon put his knife in her. He wanted Jon to suffer for it. Death would have been a mercy. And he took Dany's body away so that Jon would never touch her again even to bury her.
Jon probably turned himself in to the Unsullied hoping they would kill him and take him out of his misery. Guess he couldn't do it himself.
@@trhall614if my dog saw someone beating me up or killing me .. they would at least jump to bite them and give them a hell of a fight .. family or not . imagine if ive raised a dragon who spews fire and is millions of times more aggressive .. trying to justify the way dragons behaviour was written towards the murder of his mother makes no sence and turns the thriller into a tasteless piece of mush.. every one who owed dany alliegence were chill when she was murdered .. which isnt normal since they have participated in her battles by her side . its simple .. its just rushed bad writing .
NORA MANDJELEKIAN I hate how people act as if dragons are just mindless killing machines incapable of thought or reason. Dragons are smarter than dogs. And some say smarter than humans.
I say lets just wait for the books.
@@trhall614 its bc they are smarter than dogs they are more protective of thier families .. i hate this pretenious justification of what i consider a bad writing even George Martin has subtly stated his dissatisfaction of how the last season has went down .. so i dont think the books will be similar to what D & D had came up with
What if Eddard Stark married Ashara Dayne ?
What if ur mom married this duigh
That doesn't make any sense in the storyline or the narrative of game of thrones.
Decrews your drunk go home
Correct me if I'm wrong, but at the time he met Ashara he was already married
@@Goetterkomplex_ to correct you is that Ned meet Ashara first at Harrenhall before he meet Cat in Riverrun.
Not gonna lie, this would have been a kick ass season 9. A dark and depressing final season but it would have been something to behold. Gendry as king with Davos as hand, Bran as Master of Whisperers, Brienne as lord commander of the kingsguard, the North and the Iron Islands independent, with maybe a Gendry/Sansa marriage alliance would be a fairly hopeful ending. Very bittersweet.
What if daenerys stayed in essos
What if What if Arya went to King’s Landing instead in S7
What if the assassin killed Catelyn and Bran
What if rhaella lived
What if House Greyjoy supported the royalists in Robert's rebellion
If Daenery would of stayed in Esso, westeros would be an all dead continent
Funnily enough, I've been working on a story with the premise of Rhaella living...
@@aryasuperstark9599 im assuming that u are talking about thr white walkers correct me if im wrong but the wall was build with a powerfull magic spell to keep the white walkers and the army of the dead away right? No Dany no undead viserion no Viserion no destroyed wall
@@vulcan387I could counter that by saying if Jon and Tyrion didn't have the stupid plan of getting a white for Cersei which lead to nothing, there would of been no need for Dany to go north of the wall. Plus I don't see viserion bringing down the wall in the books
I’ve missed these what ifs 🙌🏽
This actually would've worked. It would've made much more sense for something like this to naturally flow. It would've been good. But what about Drogon?
Drogon probably would have done the same thing, flown off with Dany's body back East.
I'm surprised I accidentally cut that out, but my conclusion was more of the same: Drogon flies off into the unknown with everyone worried but he likely doesn't return to Westeros any time soon!
@@TheBattProductions gotcha! I thought i might have missed it and re-watched it lol. I know .... I'm ridiculous, but I needed to know! Thank you! I love your ideas!
I’m annoyed that Rhaegal died. Not only due to a strategic blunder, but also because in the books, it is made abundantly clear that you can have scorpions all you want, but you still need to hit their eyes or something. That bolt would not have gone through Rhaegals neck
What if Myrcella didn’t died and Tommen still jumped?
Don't think it changes much. Myrcella wasn't exactly a major player in the game. I don't think her living changes a lot.
i suppose Cersei might have been a bit less blood lusty over the Sandsnakes/Elaria, but even then I think she still would have wanted to kill them. They were posing a threat to her rule and she did want them taken out. She probably would have given them a quick death as opposed to a slow, painful, agonizing revenge death. Either way the same basic result still occurs.
Daniel Stark
But would the meeting change if Myrcella was there, would she help Jon Snow with the White Walkers?
Rosani Rodrigues Do you mean Maegery Tyrell?
Minh Tran
No I mean if Myrcella Baratheon was Queen instead of Cersei Lannister would she agree to Jon Snow agreement to join forces with them to fight against the White Walkers?
I think she would incline to agree to fight with them but Cersei would make sure she wouldn't believe it because really at that point Cersei would still pretty much be queen controlling Myrcella like a puppet.
What if Ned told Jon who he was before Leaving for King’s Landing?
I may have to seriously consider this one.
Jon might try to find his siblings in exile :)
What if Robb Stark named Jon Snow his heir? Ravens have been sent, word has spread; Ned Stark's bastard is the rallying point for the North after the Red Wedding.
I definitely feel like Dany herself, along with Drogon would go to each kingdom for the lords to pledge fealty or die, similar to Aegon’s conquest. In this scenario in which Jon doesn’t kill Dany, I think it could go two ways: he chooses to support her, which would likely lead to their betrothal, or he rejects her for what she’s done. I don’t know if I see the north rebelling against Dany if Jon still lives and supports her; I feel like most holds would be afraid to challenge her with Drogon around, especially after what happened at Kings landing. Though I do think that Sansa would leak Jon’s heritage to the other lords like Varys planned to do, which would muddle things up for Dany lol. With Jon ruling with Dany I could definitely see Sansa trying to Litterfinger Dany off the throne so that Jon is the sole ruler who could grant the north independence haha. If Jon doesn’t kill Dany, but also chooses to not rule by her side like she offered, it’s quite possible that Dany, fearful of his claim to the throne, would imprison or have him executed for “treason” which would prompt Sansa to rally the northern armies against her. And I think that if Sansa was prepared to go to war against Dany, she’d probably anticipate the dragon queen flying directly to winterfell to burn it down, so she might fashion a bunch of scorpions before declaring rebellion, but that’s assuming she’d be able to find out how to make them. And even then, after Drogon decimated the scorpions at kings landing, I think he could easily destroy winterfell, even if it was fitted with scorpions, though survivors could probably stay safe in the crypts. I also think that if Jon and Dany didn’t marry it’s likely she’d make either the new dornish prince or gendry her king consort. Dany would for sure instill new lords for the reach and casterly rock who would be loyal to her. Drone would remain neutral, unless Dany is betrothed to the dornish prince. I just don’t see a northern war for independence against Dany and Drogon being successful in Sanaa’s favor, and the rebellion would end with the extinction of house stark. Arya could definitely save the day by asasainating grey worm, stealing his face, then killing Dany. I think that would honestly be the north’s only hope at defeating Dany. It’s not a certainty that it’s possible bc of the level of intelligence in dragons, but Bran could also warg into Drogon 🤷♂️ these are just some of my ideas about how it could play out lmao
I like the idea of Arya killing Greyworm and stealing his face to kill Dany if it played out this way... and Bran warging into Drogon to control him as Drogon would probably be the only reason why the other lords/kingdoms would not rebel against Dany... .. But two out of her three dragons have been killed, if Drogon could be killed she would lose her remaining power as Ceresi said.... We just need one good shot..... but Drogon burned the scorpions too easily... But without Drogon she could be easily be defeated if all the other houses rebelled together against her and she had no dragons left.....
i think jon snow should have died, when dany turned by a victorious night king. thats how it should have ended. dany becoming the night queen and all the humans having to flee as westeros falls to the wight walkers.
Gendry is loyal to Daenarys for legitimizing him.
But he loves Arya, ultimately he'd be more loyal to the starks
She rejected his proposal and left him.
@@Outermindmedia but he still loved her, that wouldn't change. Gendry wouldn't be a scorned lover or anything... And he's more friendly with Jon. He never spoke to Dany outside of her legitimizing him. And on top of that, he's smart. If 99% of Westeros is against Dany. I don't think he'd stay with her anyway.
Mandy see the thing is, with all of the others against her, any singular one of them by her side would be enough to win. So if he joined her, which in my head he would do, as well as the westerlands because they hate the north more than anything else, she’d steamroll.
Gendry isn't sticking by Daenerys, who burnt down the place he grew up in killing people he likely personally knows
What is Cersei’s firstborn son with Robert lives? Also what if Rhaella survives childbirth? Would Dany have turned out differently?
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What if Catelyn had married Littlefinger after Ned Starks death?
If littlefinger has control of the vale at this point then the Vale would most likely help out in Robbs war as Cat would beg Baelish for help.
Then the red wedding would not happen
super stoked that this came out.pretty mutch watched all the what if vids.huge GoT fan so glad these are a thing
What if Olenna and Catelyn agreed to have Margaery and Robb married after Renly died🌹❄️
what if D and D wrote her going mad well?
The girl was always mad. She wanted to control the known world...
@@SCHMALLZZZ so did many people in history... some of them are currently being worshipped/idolised to this day e.g Alexander the great, prophet Muhammad, genghis Khan etc
Here's one for you...
What if G.R.R. Martin had finished the books on time for the show (at least Winds of Winter). What would have changed. ;)
Gretchen everything my friend, everything 😔😔
Depends do you mean he finishes first and D&D adapt or that after S5 both get finished simultaneously but separate.
But either way the books will be different because of the many plotlines the show left away that also need resolving in the end alongside what we already saw on TV.
Yet I still think Bran could be GRRMs choice of whose sitting on the throne although i hope the way he writes the last two books will make the choice look natural.
Bran has to be the King of Westeros. I'm planning a video on why. King Bran is the best possible outcome.
I dont think it would have been that much different tbh. People blame the fall of the series on D&D running out of source material but thats not completely true. They already took way too much liberties in season 5 that made the show so much different from the books. Since they have taken this path already I imagine it would get even worse over time and the result would be very similar to what we actually got.
You could argue that they would know the major events that will happen in winds but there are many moments that are implyed by the books that will happen and also its been said many times that George has told them many important plot points. So its not that different afterall
@@sleekoduck Not really just like Danaerys Bran lacks the charisma or skill of diplomacy needed to successfully keep the nobles ready. The Game of Thrones is not just in the show but also in history a really deadly thing if monarchs aren't capable of it, especially in a world as dark as Westeros Bran won't be having an easy time as king, many will oppose him for being a cripple, many for being sterile, many for being a wizard (nobody understands what a three eyed raven is). It most likely gets him killed. Personally I can even see how he will butt heads with Sansa due to the newly created border and all the tensions that accompany such a thing
I think it'd be cool if when Dany dracaryses Jon, he doesn't burn.
Agree.
Would be cool, but I suppose she'd just behead him or something then.
@@TheBattProductions Well that and it would open a hole as we clearly saw Jon get burned once or twice before like when touching the lamp to kill the wight in Season 1 I believe.
@@TheBattProductions This would be cool. Yes, Jon was burnt earlier in the series, so he is not immune to fire, but I don't think this needs to negate the possibility in this scene. Wasn't the idea that the rightful heir was immune to fire? Her brother made the mistake of thinking he was "the Dragon" when she was. But what if *the magic shifted* to Jon? What if the "magic" declared that Jon was more worthy than Dany? She's done some horrible things since reaching Westeros. She's becoming the "mad queen" and perhaps becomes as unworthy as her brother had become. That would add a cool mythic element to the Targaryen line and the right of succession. Imagine the scene: Dany condemns Jon to death by dracaryses, but when the flames fly forth (and Jon cringes in expectation of death) he is found unscathed. Dany is shocked, stumbles bumping into a lantern (nice parallel to Jon in the first season) and burns herself. The dragon magic has chosen a new successor from the Targaryen line, one now more worthy to rule.
@@philiptite1082 One could also say that the fire protection awoke by being reanimated by the fire god.
What if Euron Never killed Rhaegal?
Jon would have been riding Rhaegal in episode 5.
As he is not needed on the ground, considering Greyworm and Davos have the lead.
I think Arya would get in and get Jon out, a pay off to her Faceless Man training.
What if Dany didn't go mad
You forgot about Reginald lannister. I think that the Lannisters of lannisport would have the best claim over the westerlands.
If he's alive of course, but even so: dude was like Tywin's cousin or something. He could have the best claim, but remember: they've get to choose for the new lord of that region is by the time war is over. They won't install a Lannister as that since the Lannisters screwed basically everyone.
What if Jon Snow didnt know that he is a targaryen
He would still be smashing Danny
What if Daenerys she give up throne to john
So basically more people die, the lands get even more ravaged and the next ruler has a lot of work to do.
Pretty much, yeah.
@@TheBattProductions Well it is Game of Thrones. That's thier normal. Also, I can't believe I'm the only one to logically conclude that Sansa and Gendry could marry.
I like these what if theories. You sir have just received a new sub🤙
Thanks for still doing these videos! Please continue to do them (schedule permitting and if you enjoy it, obviously). Your what-if scenarios are always interesting for me.
By the way, one that you may consider doing, What if Tywin was a good father?
Or, alternatively, what if Ned demanded a trial by combat before he confessed and was decapitated?
(Either would be great, but please do the first one instead! I'm begging you...)
Olenna Tyrell is one of my fav characters. What if she had stayed in Dorne & done what Jaime had done to Casterly Rock: empty the coffers so there's no gold and the larders so there's no food and wait out the war in safety.
What if Ned sent Ser Loras and Ilyn Payne after the Mountain?
I've been waiting for this one mate!
Love seeing you back! Here's one:
What if Greyworm killed Tyrion right away?
GreyWorm should've killed Tyrion. It would've made more sense.
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What if Jon became King of westeros at the end even if he killed Dany?
He should have waited until they completed the Death Star.
@@georgeprchal3924 this isn't stat wars
This actually would have been a much better ending. His claim coudd not be challenged.
What if Ashara Dayne warned Elia about Rhaegar anulling their marrige and told Elia to run before she was summoned back from Dragonstone by Aerys?
What if Cersei had poisoned Tommen at the Battle of Black Water and then later Joffery was poisoned at his own wedding with Tywin still being the hand and alive and well.
I must say I recently discovered this what if videos and im absolutely obsessed! I've watched them all in a few days. Amazing content, super cute host, A+ to this channel!
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When I think about this.
It reminds of a movie that most people love to hate.
But I like Xmen 3 Last Stand.
The main part I always talk about when talking sh*t against disney movies is Wolverine killing Jean Grey.
To me, cinematically, it was such a heart wrenching moment. I was younger back then so it struck a stronger cord maybe.
And I’ve not done super deep dive into GoT mythos. So as a grown man. It didn’t destroy me to see someone murder their lover.
Maybe it could hit harder if I do longer run in bingeing.
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What if there were 10 seasons 😫
I can see Yara backing Daenerys even after what she did, she was one of the ones originally pushing for Daenerys to conquer the city in the war council where Tyrion explained his whole attacking casterly rock plan, and presumably she intended for the dragons to be present too.
Great video,& your version 🎸! 👍
Davos did a lot more for Gendry than Dany ever did I think he would listen to Davos and support Winterfell
Don’t the Velaryons have a powerful navy as well? It’s a shame so many great houses such as Velaryon redwyne and Hightower did not make the cut. Also I think the Hightower’s would end up in charge of the reach since they’re the power house without the Tyrells being there.
Nice what if man, keep it up and I enjoy these what if's.
For a next possible what if in the future, here are a few ideas.
- What if Jon didn't tell Arya and Sansa about his true heritage ?
- What if Jorah survived the Battle of Winterfell?
- What if Arya did kill Sansa in Season 7 after reading the letter Sanss wrote to Robb back in season one?
Wow! This is great. Thank you!
What if Robb Stark hired and had the golden company during the war of the 5 kings, all 20,000 men, horses and war elephants?
There's a group in Essos- I don't know that they're sellswords, but they might be- comprised of the descendants of Brandon Snow, bastard half-brother to the last King in the North who knelt to Aegon, & others who didn't accept the Targs as overlords of the North - the Company of the Blue Rose, I believe.
With them & the Golden Company, the North could have had the power to drag the rest to the negotiating table, & enforce Northern independence, along with other concessions....
@@OcarinaSapphr- they had the power, it was Robb dick that fucked everything
what if robb stark had support of ironborn and knights of the vale
This is so cool! I would like to see/read this war.
If Jon never killed Dany then the Targaryen name would of lived on, period.
If Jon just slept with her the day before they attacked King's Landing she probably wouldn't have gone full mad queen.
Austin 123 the Targaryen name still doesn’t live on till this day. I don’t care what anyone says, there is no future for Targaryens, not now that Dany died. It’s so sad.
@@AmaniPerrin All it takes is for Jon to get with some wildling woman in the far north,
@@AmaniPerrin All it takes is for Jon to get with some willing woman in the far north,
Austin 123 it’s all just a mess, the dragons dying, it just feels like they just killed off the Targaryens, only left one dragon that can’t reproduce etc🤦🏽♀️
I like this ending more than the actual ending that is so sad
Ehsan Hooman if they’re ever rebelled against Dany im pretty sure she’s just kill everyone even if means having no men left . People underestimate her power even AFTER all that she’s proven that Drogon knows how to dodge the dumb spears so she’ll burn them all
What if Viseron (spelled that wrong) didn’t die beyond the wall?
What if Jon had manned up and married Daenerys in 8x04? Nobody could've pit them against one another, Sansa, Tyrion and Varys woudn't have been able to have ownership in their relationship so no one could've torn them apart.
I honestly think had this been the case we would have got the perfect happy ending. Dany would not go mad simply because she would have felt like she is still loved by someone so Jon would be the one that would be holding her sanity.
If that happened Dany would not have burnt kings landing meaning Jaimie and Cersei would have escaped, Tyrion would still be loyal to her and over time with his help Dany could get the respect of noble houses. Because Since Jon would be married to her Varys like you said would not be able to do anything and Sansa could be the only person in the North that would still want independence since "stark" would actually sit on the throne along with Dany.
This all sounds good but who is to say Jon would still love her untill things got better? I mean if hed truly loved her then obviously no but his affection to her could change like it did in the show despite being married and then the outcome would have been the same.
But yeah overall I think its small change might have actually brought us the perfect fairy tale ending.
What if Jamie Lannister never came back to Kings Landing and stayed with Brienne going forward or What If I Wrote Season 8 like ur version
I would have thought in a senario where Jon is a hostage, Arya would have tried her Facelessman tricks to get him out. If he would have even left with her that is. He might have still been loyal to Daenarys even if she tried to kill him. He really does know nothing.
What if when Jon entered the throne room Daenerys surprised him with the news that she was with child. That would considerably change her future, I mean killing her knowing she is carrying his child isn't something Jon could even consider doing. Conquering westeros would not be her number one priority anymore and the prospect of having her own child could possibly help her choose the most peaceful solutions to keep her child safe.
this one is the best comment so far
Why would she Conquer something she already has?
@@Fenris30 That's the thing Daenerys doesn't know how to truly rule, she never had a mentor which is why she often mistaken's conquering for ruling and in the long run that doesn't make for a good Queen.
Don't get me wrong she had serious potential but she was sadly lead astray, which often happens if talent is not nurtured right.
One thing you didn't take into account is Bran would have known EXACTLY how it would have ended and so would have played his game differently too.
bruh didn’t the burning of kings landing show you how poweful dragon fire is?
I HAVENT SEEN U IN LIKE A YEAR. YOU'VE CHANGED
*What if Arya Stark told Jaqen to kill the Night King*
Jon Still Survives,(Daenerys still gets killed later on ... ) Destroys the throne using Drogon. As intended since the story is all about him/starks.
Second outcome is simple.. if he gets killed by Daenrys.. Arya Comes for Revenge.
Starks always Will Win in the End.
I want to see What if Jorah had been alive? Would he have still stood by Daenerys side after Kings Landing?
Ariel Lann i feel if he’d still lived she wouldn’t had done it. Bc his death unfortunately along with Missandei’s played some part in her unfortunate demise😔
What if season 8 didn't suck?
It would have been a much better ending if Jon decided reluctantly to go along with Dany. All the while trying to temper her blood lust and rationalizing that she was liberating enslaved people. Much more interesting, a good twist, and many more adventures for Jon and Dany. Of course, that was never going to happen.
Saying this as a huge self-admittedly Dany fan (example: I named my car, a Subaru Legacy “khaleesi the legacy” 😂) I actually really liked this ending or “what if” that you created. I wish D&D have put the same effort and logic in it 🙄 while at first I struggled with the idea of gendry not sticking by dany’s side after reading the comments and your counter argument of this I now have no qualms or criticisms about it! Amazing work! 👍👍
Excellent analysis. This could be season 9... :D
What if Danny HADN’T burned down Kings Landing¿?
What if baelon Greyjoy sides with the North during the war of the 5 kings
Wasn't Robert's grandmother a Targaryen?
What if Nymeria and her pack met up with Arya, Hot Pie, and Gendry in the Riverlands?
What if Dorne joined the Iron Throne under Aegon I?
WHAT IF SANSA DIDN'T LEFT AT THE PURPLE WEDDING
A question, if you were given the Twin Towers of House Frey at the end of season 8, what would you do to redeem it?
i’m glad i’m not the only one still thinking about game of thrones
Who becomes the Lord of a region is most often determined by the power a house of the region has so Highgarden might be going to Sam who is the defacto leader of house Tarly (his father rebelled alongside Cersei, but Sam is loyal to Jon and therefore Dany, so he would be in her favor) the same would apply to the Westerlands eventhough I can't name one of the lesser known houses their that might be next in lign for lordship there. Casterly Rock has a big harbour so maybe Ser Davos would find it more appealing than Highgarden anyway should he be offered the title of lord.
Bronn is conniving his way through castle upgrades in the books. He might just end up with Highgarden.
@@sleekoduck he would be hitting a brick wall with Danaerys, she has no skill in diplomacy and would not give Bronn anything. She just sees him as an ally to the Lannisters and his only claim to Highgarden is that Tyrion promised it to him. But Dany wouldn't be interested in upholding a promise from what she sees as a traitor to her.
I think Bronn might just be intelligent enough to see that himself and not ask or demand anything from someone that passionately burns people to death
Sam can't be lord if he's Grandmaester, which I could see him being even before Gendry is installed. That's why I didn't give Highgarden to him.
Basically the two you named I didn't give Highgarden or the Westerlands because they'd be occupied elsewhere.
@@TheBattProductions Still Sam is part of the noblemen deciding who should be king and his role was as the head of house Tarly. At this point it could have been possible for him to choose his title as lord of becoming a (grand) maester. Also his fate is a bit unknown as he normally wouldn't have been allowed to keep a family so maybe he was also allowed to simultaneously be a lord due to the lack of nobles just like the other small council members were lords
there are multiple houses with better claims and more powerful in the reach many with recent blood relations to the tyrells. Neither bronn, davos or sam are decent option all three would lead to a probable civil war in the region.
If Dany didn't die, someone might talk her out of killing Tyrion. She may just give him to the North, broker a peace for them and split the kingdoms. Sansa becomes Queen of the North, because Jon will likely feel his honor dictates that he must obey his Queen. Dany will likely remain paranoid of him, and love him at the same time. She's out of advisers she can trust. Tyrion failed her utterly, Jorah died defending her, Varys betrayed her the second he realized there was a male heir, and Barriston died in Mereen and Missandei died thanks to Cercei. She'll probably gravitate toward Jon, even if she doesn't feel she can entirely trust him. (And he would likely convince her to let Tyrion go and broker a peace with the North rather than try to conquer them, too.) She still has her army, the remains of the Unsullied and Dothraki, but they are greatly diminished. I think she's got the throne, and she'll now settle in and begin her reign. She still has allies with the Iron Isles, Dorne, and several territories are hers. (Storm's End, High Garden, Castely Rock.) She can name people she feels are trustworthy to occupy those homes and lands. With Jon there to remind her of who she was, she may begin to calm down. And I'd think she may also soon realize she's pregnant by him. It'll also take some time, but she'll rebuild both her army, her rule, the castle, and the city of King's Landing. Eventually even win the trust of the people, who are going to be very leery of her after her razing of the city. But when people are doing well, memories of bad times tend to fade.
great analysis man love the vids keep up the good work
What if the Blackfish went north in season 6
Jon would have died along with his family and any other house that didn't support what Dany wanted to accomplish.
Regale being shot down only makes scence had they Expressed as a Reason that John could not fly him , that he was wounded by the army of dead & only capable foo flying so high on his damaged wing.
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It would've been awesome if the 2nd sons came over for the last season..um i think Dany wouldve gone straight for Sansa for betraying her & ordering her brought for trial. That's when all hell breaks loose. Sansa deserves a husband tho. Someone to be in love with. If only dickon tarly didn't die.