I love the irony of it all, that years after Vanders death he finally understood why Vander did what he did, and he himself followed in his footsteps, only to meet the same fate
Silco’s arch is absolutely incredible. From thinking Vander was insane for not giving Vi to Enforcers to him getting everything he wanted in exchange for an objective thorn in his side. But him truly *understanding* what it is like to be in that position of caring for someone so much, like Vander, absolutely brilliant.
The fact that Vander even had a commemorative statue, during Silco's rule, tells you how much Silco still valued Vander's friendship and that he really didnt want to have to kill him.
@@mohantrohan it was the other way around. Silco didn't want to kill Vander (He was trying to shimmer his ass up to fight, why do you think he goes "I knew you still had it in you"). He lost his respect for him when he made peace with the topsiders.
ngl, i don't know how jinx thought he was going to sell her out, he literally stated more than once how he understood how vander gave up everything including his life for his daughter and that he would now do the same choice in a similar position.
@@oblivion9202 she’s used to rejection. Trauma like that would make you hesitant to trust anyone. Even the ones you do trust, the moment it seems even a little like they’re gonna leave you, your brain immediately concludes that they will. Trauma is a hell of a drug, man.
"It all makes sense now brother..." in a split second with jayce he completely understood why Vander was willing to give up everything including Xaun. He was never going to give up jinx. Not for anything.
Yeah... guess kids really change us, huh? I mean, Jinx is far from perfect, she is struggling with inner demons constantly and, by the end of the show, she loses to them, but still he tells her she is perfect. That's some bold words right there, but again, while you can read it as "the monster you are is perfect for what we plan", you can also read it as him just being a father and telling her she is perfect the way she is to him. Silco is such an amazing character, man. Both a horrible and terrifying villain and also a... bad father, but a loving one.
@tman57vt ik it's a joke but if Jayce haggled with Silco, Silco might also be able to haggle Jinx out of the deal, with Ekko maybe it'd make Ekko thinks Jayce is not that rich to stalk him to the apartment.
@@hurensohn7605 When I saw the first episode, I thought Silco was going to be a typical season 1 prequel villain: the original character who only exists to start the main characters down their path to being who they are and then get killed off. Come episode 3, when Silco decides to adopt Jinx at the end, and I was completely surprised.
the hardest thing in this moment is that Silco basically says i get everything i want and i only lose my problems but he still wants to keep Powder giving up his life long dreams of a free Zuan and the fact the sadness in his voice as he realized he killed Vander for no reason at all now that he himself has a daughter
yep, that actually makes sense. Instead of totally antagonizing the villain, it's better to make him have traits the other important character has so it will give the villain depth and humanity. Play on parallels. People love parallels.
The scariest thing about a good villain isn't that he's a monster. It's the reveal that at the core, he's still a human and that it's in all of us to turn into the monster given the right circumstances.
People give Jayce shit for that. "The boy didn't even haggle" But they forget that he just accidentally killed a kid. He said to Silco "Today I got a glimpse of what war between us would actually look like. Your people wouldn't stand a chance, council couldn't care less. I'm trying to save your people from annihilation". He also remarked "I was reminded recently of what brought us together in the first place - the threats beyond our walls." Jayce has the upper hand. He knows this. But he also understands war. Which is why he doesn't want it to happen. Even if "his side" wins. The thought of losing is not what bothers him. What bothers him is his original goal being corrupted - to change the world for the better and help people. What bothers him is the thought of more needless killing. What bothers him is the threats beyond the wall seeing the infighting and using it to attack. Giving in to Silcos demands, free trade routes, blanked amnesty, unrestricted access to the Hexgates, sovereignty. Those are not things that Jeyce opposed either way. That's just the politics he was thrown into. He is a scientist and inventor. If anything, giving them these things could make them a strong ally and generally better the circumstances of the underground. So why haggle? If any of these things are missing, Zaun will stay in the same shit spot it is in right now. A liability and danger to Piltover. Which is actually something that goes against what Jayce wants. Prosperity, peace, helping people. The top side still has advanced technology and is centuries ahead of Zaun in any other aspect. Its a butterfly next to a dragon. So there is no threat, no down side and therefor no haggling required. This deal is basically a win-win for Jayce if you look at his actual goals. Remove shimmer, return the gemstone, make Zaun self reliant and better the circumstances of what is basically Piltover's neighbor, which in turn could benefit Piltover itself. Just think about it. Would you rather live next to a violent, stinking homeless shelter full of drugs and dangerous maniacs or next to a handy man that could provide you with cheap services and goods? Both sides of that deal go in that direction. A win-win for Jayce. In a word - progress.
I’ve know for at least two months, well after a 3rd time binge watching the season, surprised that RUclipsrs whom reacted to this series seems to miss it
Silco wasn't just giving up his dream of a free Zaun - his was basically putting his life on the line. He was already on thin ice. The chem barons wanted him out, and Sevika thinks the only thing holding up the cause is Jinx. Sevika had already demonstrated years earlier that she has no patience for weakness. So when word would get out that Silco gave up an independent Zaun because he selfishly wanted to protect Jinx, he must've known it would be over for him.
@@ZanyMei yeah, that explains his overall sadness since the negotiation with Jayce. There was no happy ending either way for him. That little toast feels a lot like a goodbye to everything.
@@laurocoman dang. I thought that was just him coming to terms with Vander. Which it it was but it was also a goodbye to his life same as Vander’s. The writing in the show is so good. So many hidden meanings.
Dude, I never even considered that! If he gave up Zaun he could be with Jinx, and potentially steer her toward fully accepting her identity as ‘Jinx’, but he would be walking around with a larger target on his back as a traitor and arguably the weaker of the two. He would be constant target for assassination by both Piltover and Sevika, and if he were to die, he would be leaving Jinx alone in the world since he’s been doing his utmost to sever that emotional connection to Vi all this time. He’d leave Jinx worse off in death; if he was killed by someone of Zaun like Sevika or a chembaron, she could very well go nuts and burn the whole city to the ground since it was Zaun that took him away from her. Part 2 and 3 demonstrated that while Jinx doesn’t like Piltover or Enforcers, she doesn’t care very much for Silco’s plans of an independent Zaun, either. It’s not something she’s particularly interested in. She’s very much about ‘doing whatever, whenever since the world doesn’t care about her existence, so why should she play by society’s rules?’ If he sold out Jinx, Zaun would get what it always dreamed of, but in doing so he would be giving up on the one enduring principle he held, which was loyalty to those he holds close. While he’s manipulative, ruthless, pragmatic, business-and-profit-minded, he wouldn’t have been able to swallow down his conscience of creating an independent city on the back of a betrayal. It went against the sort of Zaun he wanted to create: A den of thieves and unscrupulous businessmen, but a haven that would close ranks to protect each other from outsiders. Jinx being the one who killed Silco was ironic but also poetic in its own way. Because she was the one to kill him, Zaun is safe from her vengeful wrath.
I love the tragedy in this scene: “Is their anything as undoing as a daughter?” When Jinx hears it, she assumes that Silco thinks the she constantly screws up his plans and schemes, and just sees her as a failure. When in reality, Silco is saying that he would give anything for Jinx, because he cares for her more than anything.
She thinks he's saying she's weak. Instead he's saying he's weak. Because he's about to give up everything he ever wanted for her. But he's going to do it, because nothing matters more than her.
I so badly wish he'd finished it with something like "I could never give her up" just something, anything that would've told Jinx that he'd never actually betray her or give her up. I know he didn't know she was there but I still desperately wish he'd expressed some aspect of how fully felt, just something that would've made it clear that he too could never give up his child. It might've messed with the moment in some way but I just desperately wish Jinx had known from the start that her dad would never leave her.
"The boy didn't even haggle" I love this line and it's implications. It shows Jayce didn't ask for anything but peace and Silco knows it. The three things he did ask for, the end of shimmer, the gemstone, and Jinx, weren't for the sake of mitigating any loss or trying to retain some advantage, power, or control over Silco and his people. It was just the price for peace. And peace for everyone, not just Piltover.
That is most certainly not at all implied Jayce was very arrogant in their exchange, he has become corrupted by that point He got "scared straight" somewhat after accidentally murdering a child (which Vi simply shrugged off!) but still....
@@alexanderplatypus3664 Fuck no, Corrupted? Maybe a little bit dirty because of the politics of the council but he was as straight as a politician of that power could be, he wasn't being arrogant he was stating facts when setting demans on silco and even then he asked the minimum, doable things that would help both.
@@agentc7020 my man and Vi fought against Zaunite mechs with only hextech mining tools and won, now that they got actually trained soldiers specializing in hextech weaponry, does Zaun stand a chance? He is not scared they'd lose hes scared of everything that will happen if the war happens. The outside threats seeing the in-fighting, having to witness needless slaughter, etc. My man just wanted peace
It's ridiculous to call jayce "arrogant" after his fight with zaun's mech thugs. That's literally one of the scenes where he gets humbled and it affects the rest of his choices.
He eventually understood the reason why Vander gave up on their dreams and made it his priority to keep the people he held most dear safe because that was enough for him.
Everyone says this but idk I think Silco was still committed to Zaun. He was struggling internally with how to proceed. It's ultimately Vi's fault for telling Jayce all about Jinx to be honest, that is what set up this demand for her! Silco was searching for a way forward, he didn't simply give up and become the same as Vander
@@alexanderplatypus3664 He still fell short on his convictions, like Vader, unable to take the needed sacrifice needed to get Zaun independence. In any case, I'd argue Silco wasn't any better than Vander, because for Vander it wasn't even a guarantee - he would wage a war for naught potentially. Whereas Silco had what he wanted right in front of his face, with most the favourable deal he could get at the expense of getting rid of his problems 'And what do I lose but problems?' and couldn't take it over the fear of losing his daughter, like Vander.
It's not so much as a hypocrite as it is he changed his viewpoint and finally understood him. That's different from a hypocrite. I know you're joking but just saying it for those in the back
Jayce doesn't like to haggle, this was teased earlier when he visited Benzos shop. He knew that his purchase would be expensive so he paid in straight gold. God i love this show everything was thought out, this will be an avatar level series maybe even greater.
@@jorgealberto8544 well no shit, but that was the "greatest" before people realized animations potential for adults. And dont come at me like "what about anime", i dont like to watch any of it.
I can't reply to every single comment but people keep saying this and it's not true Silco just is sort of emotionally venting here he's not "admitting Vander was right" Silco's final scene shows him fiercely arguing against Vi, that "Powder is Jinx!" and he even tries to shoot Vi. THen he tells Jinx she's perfect. Is that a man who's basically agreeing with Vander? Don't think so. He was just internally wrestling with how to proceed given the situation
If the writing is this level consistently I'll wait a whole decade for season two. Yes it will suck but Quality over quantity is the price we have to pay.
Felicia to Vander and Silco, "You're not allowed to fail anymore. For her. For me.." "To Blisters and Bedrock" 😭😢 It was her loss that pushed Silco over the edge...and caused Vander to stop..
Silco to Vander: WHat happened to you, you've gone soft for a bunch of kids. What happened to the dream we both had?! Silco now: Okay...i understand, it all makes sense. *pours drink into fountain* You were right.
@@nviolet152 he did, was literally offered everything he ever fought for right in front of him but he knew it was out of his reach because the price was jinx and he wasn't going to pay
@@vtnk7597 No, he didn't. Just because he prioritized Jinx over his dream and took a harder root to achieve it doesn't mean he gave up on it. What kind of f*cked up logic is that? Doesn't make any sense. F8cking stupid. Hate f*cking stupid things. They annoy me. You annoy me. F8ck you. Everyone must always make sense or they must be f*ckign muked out of existence.
Silco does not think Vander was right He just appreciates it a bit more He still thinks Zaun needs to be created some way, and you can't just stagnate under Piltover forever
The defeat -and- the hint of sarcasm in Silco's voice when he says "Oh, it all makes sense now, brother." How he knows Vander was doing what was right, that he now knows he'd do the same and still can't let go of that hard, sharp razor's edge of siblingly hatred. I love this character so much.
Silco is trapped now. His power was waining, but then he gets everything he has worked and fought for his entire life offered tae him, and the price is the only thing he can not pay. His death to Jinx was very likely the best outcome he could hope for. She was sincerely horrified she had done it, and in his last moments he felt her mourning him, meaning she loved him. In the grand scheme, how many get tae die beside their loved ones?
@@brookejon3695 Apparently, in the games, Jinx likes talking to the big shark-shaped gun Fishbones, and it is generally the voice of reason for her, almost like a patient parental figure in her head. In Arcane, it's pretty clear that she designed the gun Fishbones with Silco in mind (his love of aquatic animals, the scar on one eye, etc.). I wouldn't be surprised if, in season 2, she hears Silco's voice from Fishbones.
I think the one of the main reasons why Silco forgave Jinx in the end for killing him is because he thought Jinx tried to protect Vi when he aimed the gun at her. Something Silco wished that he did the same with Vander, his sibling, which makes the part with him pouring his drink into the fountain more poignant.
Jinx's senses appear to increase while hearing voices, as seen in the fight with the fireflies. She hears the incoming attack far before anyone else. In this scene, she only points the gun after Silco grabs the other gun. I believe she was genuinely trying to protect Vi, just didn't have time to consider the consequences
Thats the same thing I thought at that moment. He broke the cycle of them, Jinx will be the "Saviour". And he successfully created her. He was proud in his last moment.
@@that1fangrl Seems more that she was defending herself. Up until that point she was still thinking Silco was going to sell her out to Piltover after overhearing Silco at the statue. Nothing really points to her defending VI, who had yet to prove herself to Jinx at that point, and had also betrayed her, in Jinx's eyes.
@@that1fangrl Yeah like in episode 3, but though she successfully saved Vi this time, it doesn't satisfy her. I love how though she did what she always wanted to do (help her sister) it doesn't satisfy her because she lost another loved one in the process.
Man, this character Silco, is a once in a lifetime character favorite for me. I started the show in the dark and completely unaware of the LoL world. Now all I want is SILCO back, alive and breathing. It aches in my heart how much I miss him even though he is RIGHT there on Netflix for me to watch over again. There are moments in the show where he utterly frightened the spirit out of me, then there are moments where I truly wanted to embrace him, sip on espresso and talk about his plans for the Nation of Zaun! What a tremendous job they did on Silco! And the VOICE ACTOR for HIM was a Perfect match! I love you Silco! "Don't cry, you're perfect"
In the fisrt half of the show it looked like he was going to be some shit villain who is evil for evil's sake. He turned out to be the best character of the show.
Agreed --- Couple others: Gus Fring from Breaking Bad Wilson Fisk from Daredevil (Netflix) Kilgrave from Jessica Jones (Although I recommend not watching past season 1 for that show...)
I felt like Jayce and Mel were the villains more than Silco honestly Ekko too, he was a destructive anarchist who was pointlessly fighting the new order trying to create Zaun
@@alexanderplatypus3664 ekko? a villain?? lmao, what are your train of thoughts on this. If anything you may have forgotten that silco ran the lanes with shimmer and get people addicted to it, made child work on productions. He may be a good father but he is nowhere near good.
Right. "Villain" is basically someone with ideas and plans who wants to make changes. "Hero" is someone who wants to keep things how they are. That's really the fundamental difference
I love that the creators of the show had given us a visual of how Vander and Silco had the same dreams of uniting Zaun to be one but Silco going a whole different route of doing things then having him understand why Vander went his route
You can easily argue Vander abandoned that dream though I mean it's kind of written in the show. Vander put his gloves away, and is a barkeep who basically does nada to advance Zaun It's why Silco (and Sevika) overthrew him. They actually want Zaun to happen at some point
The fact that every aspect of this show is heightened with every new episode is unbelievable. This scene was powerful when it released, but it just kept getting more and more relevant and emotionally destroying. Beautiful writing.
Let's not forget that this entire time, Zaun was under Silco's rule. Which means that he had the statue built. He may have hated Vander for his betrayal, but part of him still loved him like his brother.
"And what do I lose,but problems?" He's trying to rationalize giving up Jinx and yet he still can't...He always knew Jinx made more problems then she solved, he always knew giving her up would be the smartest decisions and yet he kept saying otherwise when faced with the facts shown by Marcus,Sevika, the barons.....he just couldn't do it. Feelings won over logic, family won.... Family always wins in Arcane,for better or worse.
I just finished the series a couple moments ago and this scene is just insane. From the voice acting, lighting, cinematography, tone, its all just a absolute masterpiece and I’m still left speechless
@@joshjo9405 I read somewhere that every city has their own tales and stories about Fiddlesticks. So, he's kinda everywhere. Though, I just really want to see him in the show because I love Kellen Goff.
I really love this part in the season 1 Silco is having the same crisis as Vander he doesn't want to give up jinx but it stop their dream turning undercity to the nation of Zaun
silco never really tried to manipulate Jinx. He really thinks that Jinx burying all of her past is the best thing for her to do because thats what he did for himself. That's all he ever knew. He saw himself in Jinx, and he truly loved her
That's assuming that they do find out who Warwick really is. Given that his identity is a mystery in the main game, it might be that the only people who know are Singed and the audience. That might make it all the more saddening, to be honest; suddenly, this werewolf monster begins rampaging across Zaun, unable to contain its bloodlust, and no one; not even the wolf's own family, can recognize who it once was.
still hits hard seeing this again silco realizing he fked up killing his best friend for no reason, ending up in literally the same position only wanting to protect a daughter. if current silco saw vander before he died, things wouldve been different, they wouldve wanted nothing but to make zaun a better place for these two vi and powder.
0:21 So much character development right here, so much said by yet unsaid. Silco a man raised in squaller, beating down by a out of touch petty council. Who was so consumed by is lost for vengeance and power for his city and from self, suddenly got everything he wanted without a fight from someone he never expected to meet someone from the other side of the bridge who legitimate wants to help both cities prosper and wants to avoid conflict and even gave him what he wanted on agreeable terms. He is a man who suddenly realized all those years of the crimes and the Cincy committed we’re all for nothing
I like that the "it all makes sense now" isn't on what Silco has to do, but on what Vander did all those years ago. He finally understands why his once couragrous and reckless brother became so docile. it wasn't cowardice, it was because he had a family to look after.
I love how at 0:24 you can actually see Jinx’s hair sticking out behind the statue and her move her head just a little bit to show she was actually there all along and not just appearing out of thin air like most shows do, it’s the small details like that that make this show so good!
Another fun detail, look at the wide shot the moment before that, you can see Jinx hiding behind the statue. Her hair is slightly visible just behind Vander's shoulder.
this scene peaked silcos character in writing terms, it is really one of the best villians tho he is not i can sya in fiction( yeah there might be someoen u htink si better but u cant deny silco character is peak
That broken voice of Silco's... Every time I revisit that scene something dies in me. It's beautiful and it hurts to realize that it's an actual declaration of love for Jinx that she never heard. All she heard was that she was the problem.... Too sad.
@@NewLifenpc even in the case he didn't actually make it himself, he left it stand there in the middle of his domain for everyone to see. It's a subtle show of respect and remaining affection he had left for his brother.
Silco is easily one of the best Villains overall I have seen in stories, and I love so much the way he's written. The only other time I could hay the same for a Villain is Emet Selch from Final Fantasy 14 - Shadowbringers, a villain so well written that it even beat FF7's Sephiroth in popularity rankings.
It should be illegal to make a show this good, this moment perfectly redeems Silco in my eyes. Silco was essentially Vander if he never met Jinx and Vi; now that Silco feels love for Jinx, he understand why Vander wouldn't fight for the cause. Like how tf can Arcane make Silco kill that amazing female cop, and yet I don't even hate him in the slightest?? Like I have more hatred towards Marcus' daughter for letting strangers into her house than I do for Silco.
![[Arcane] - Silco being a father to Jinx | All Acts](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/FoXQDGocWkY/mqdefault.jpg)
![[Arcane] - Silco being a father to Jinx | All Acts](/img/tr.png)
I love the irony of it all, that years after Vanders death he finally understood why Vander did what he did, and he himself followed in his footsteps, only to meet the same fate
Dying by Accident or should I say dying by jinxing?
@@iwatchstuffs7933 sacrificing everything for his own daughter, dipsh*t
but vander is not dead
Vander's "death"
Vander lost his memory and became Eggman Empire Sonic aka Warwick.
Sega Scourge
What If Sonic lost his memory.
Silco’s arch is absolutely incredible. From thinking Vander was insane for not giving Vi to Enforcers to him getting everything he wanted in exchange for an objective thorn in his side. But him truly *understanding* what it is like to be in that position of caring for someone so much, like Vander, absolutely brilliant.
The fact that Vander even had a commemorative statue, during Silco's rule, tells you how much Silco still valued Vander's friendship and that he really didnt want to have to kill him.
He did want to kill him, but that doesn't cancel the fact that he still respected him
@@mohantrohan it was the other way around. Silco didn't want to kill Vander (He was trying to shimmer his ass up to fight, why do you think he goes "I knew you still had it in you"). He lost his respect for him when he made peace with the topsiders.
He made a statue of young Vander.
He's not sorry that he did it, but he is sorry he HAD to do it
Exactly. The statue being there at all tells you a lot about how Silco's "rule" is nowhere near as bad as Vi and Ekko think it is
What Jinx heard: "she is a problem and I am selling her out"
What Silco meant: "I know now why you put yourself in front of them, for them"
ngl, i don't know how jinx thought he was going to sell her out, he literally stated more than once how he understood how vander gave up everything including his life for his daughter and that he would now do the same choice in a similar position.
@@oblivion9202 Better be safe than sorry.
@@oblivion9202 she’s used to rejection. Trauma like that would make you hesitant to trust anyone. Even the ones you do trust, the moment it seems even a little like they’re gonna leave you, your brain immediately concludes that they will. Trauma is a hell of a drug, man.
@@oblivion9202 she is traumatised by being abandoned. I really think that the last sentence from silco triggered her fears.
@@oblivion9202 the combination of a shit ton of drugs and trauma
"It all makes sense now brother..." in a split second with jayce he completely understood why Vander was willing to give up everything including Xaun. He was never going to give up jinx. Not for anything.
Zaun*
@@Kalenz1234 I like how when I pressed translate to English instead of it saying Zaun it said Fence.
@@derpyderps631 Hu.. funny I actually didn't realise how Zaun is German for fence. In my defence it is pronounced VERY differently.
@@Kalenz1234 I don't know anything but basic German so I also didn't know that it means fence in German
Yeah... guess kids really change us, huh?
I mean, Jinx is far from perfect, she is struggling with inner demons constantly and, by the end of the show, she loses to them, but still he tells her she is perfect. That's some bold words right there, but again, while you can read it as "the monster you are is perfect for what we plan", you can also read it as him just being a father and telling her she is perfect the way she is to him.
Silco is such an amazing character, man. Both a horrible and terrifying villain and also a... bad father, but a loving one.
Ekko: “He paid in gold and didn’t even haggle”
Silco: “The boy didn’t even haggle”
Jayce isn't greedy.
Every time Jayce doesn't haggle things blow up
@@tman57vt lmao the correlation is uncanny
@tman57vt ik it's a joke but if Jayce haggled with Silco, Silco might also be able to haggle Jinx out of the deal, with Ekko maybe it'd make Ekko thinks Jayce is not that rich to stalk him to the apartment.
@tuanthanhnguyen7488 It's amazing how much problems wouldn't happen if jayce haggled a bit.
They did an outstanding job with Silco. What a great character
You know they've created a great character when you are sad to see a villain die.
he was such a surprise because in the trailers, he seemed like the usual moustache twirling villain.
@@hurensohn7605 When I saw the first episode, I thought Silco was going to be a typical season 1 prequel villain: the original character who only exists to start the main characters down their path to being who they are and then get killed off. Come episode 3, when Silco decides to adopt Jinx at the end, and I was completely surprised.
@@hurensohn7605 I hated silco for half the show then started going "wait this villain actually has depth" hey MCU, take some fucking notes.
@@Ghost-Mom making good villains that actually impact the world they live in in a meaningful way is a one in a decade thing for marvel.
the hardest thing in this moment is that Silco basically says i get everything i want and i only lose my problems but he still wants to keep Powder giving up his life long dreams of a free Zuan and the fact the sadness in his voice as he realized he killed Vander for no reason at all now that he himself has a daughter
He was never going to give up on a free Zaun. He just never would have given them Jinx to achieve it.
I'd like to believe he would've turned himself in in her place, like Vander did for vi
@@kylecyrus9457 he kinda did? when he said that jinx was only working for him.
@@kylecyrus9457 They wouldn't have accepted that, though. As Jayce said, you can't make a deal with a snake and then cut off its head.
@@JaneDoe-gu5sb I don't believe they would've gone to war if Silco insisted it's him or nothing.
We all know what makes a good villain: just write it like any other character.
yep, that actually makes sense. Instead of totally antagonizing the villain, it's better to make him have traits the other important character has so it will give the villain depth and humanity.
Play on parallels. People love parallels.
Not rlly
The scariest thing about a good villain isn't that he's a monster. It's the reveal that at the core, he's still a human and that it's in all of us to turn into the monster given the right circumstances.
Basically like the Joker, we’re all humans with emotion and we all have bad days that might change you!!
Doesn't help if the other chars suck too.
"is there anything so undoing as a daughter?"
_Jinx took that personally_
but he said: is there anything so endearing as a daughter
@@beloklyuchevsky Check your ears.
@@beloklyuchevsky he says ‘undoing’ in the show, but on the official soundtrack the title is changed to ‘endearing’
@@ElizabethsLizard lol no... it is undoing. why you make crap up? Endearing does not even make SENSE for the context of what he is saying
@@beloklyuchevskyhe said undoing. undearing does not even make sense here
People give Jayce shit for that. "The boy didn't even haggle"
But they forget that he just accidentally killed a kid. He said to Silco "Today I got a glimpse of what war between us would actually look like. Your people wouldn't stand a chance, council couldn't care less. I'm trying to save your people from annihilation".
He also remarked "I was reminded recently of what brought us together in the first place - the threats beyond our walls."
Jayce has the upper hand. He knows this. But he also understands war. Which is why he doesn't want it to happen. Even if "his side" wins. The thought of losing is not what bothers him. What bothers him is his original goal being corrupted - to change the world for the better and help people. What bothers him is the thought of more needless killing. What bothers him is the threats beyond the wall seeing the infighting and using it to attack.
Giving in to Silcos demands, free trade routes, blanked amnesty, unrestricted access to the Hexgates, sovereignty. Those are not things that Jeyce opposed either way. That's just the politics he was thrown into. He is a scientist and inventor. If anything, giving them these things could make them a strong ally and generally better the circumstances of the underground. So why haggle? If any of these things are missing, Zaun will stay in the same shit spot it is in right now. A liability and danger to Piltover. Which is actually something that goes against what Jayce wants. Prosperity, peace, helping people. The top side still has advanced technology and is centuries ahead of Zaun in any other aspect. Its a butterfly next to a dragon. So there is no threat, no down side and therefor no haggling required.
This deal is basically a win-win for Jayce if you look at his actual goals. Remove shimmer, return the gemstone, make Zaun self reliant and better the circumstances of what is basically Piltover's neighbor, which in turn could benefit Piltover itself. Just think about it. Would you rather live next to a violent, stinking homeless shelter full of drugs and dangerous maniacs or next to a handy man that could provide you with cheap services and goods? Both sides of that deal go in that direction. A win-win for Jayce. In a word - progress.
Well said my guy
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Beautiful
@@angler3131 ok.
@@angler3131 Why did I laugh at this 💀
Here is a fun hint. At 0:23 you can see Jinx's hair next to Vander's shoulder. Foreshadowing that she is behind the Vander statue.
good eye
I’ve know for at least two months, well after a 3rd time binge watching the season, surprised that RUclipsrs whom reacted to this series seems to miss it
@@shawnabraham7740 LMAO
I just noticed that on my most recent rewatch of the show. It's crazy how much I'm getting out of each watchthrough, even after 20 times.
You can also see scratched "EKKO" on the statue when Silco pours the drink
Silco wasn't just giving up his dream of a free Zaun - his was basically putting his life on the line. He was already on thin ice. The chem barons wanted him out, and Sevika thinks the only thing holding up the cause is Jinx. Sevika had already demonstrated years earlier that she has no patience for weakness. So when word would get out that Silco gave up an independent Zaun because he selfishly wanted to protect Jinx, he must've known it would be over for him.
You’re probably right. Silco was a dead man walking either way.
@@ZanyMei yeah, that explains his overall sadness since the negotiation with Jayce. There was no happy ending either way for him. That little toast feels a lot like a goodbye to everything.
Have you heard the rumor? Silco the coward fled town with his child. They were never seen again.
@@laurocoman dang. I thought that was just him coming to terms with Vander. Which it it was but it was also a goodbye to his life same as Vander’s. The writing in the show is so good. So many hidden meanings.
Dude, I never even considered that! If he gave up Zaun he could be with Jinx, and potentially steer her toward fully accepting her identity as ‘Jinx’, but he would be walking around with a larger target on his back as a traitor and arguably the weaker of the two. He would be constant target for assassination by both Piltover and Sevika, and if he were to die, he would be leaving Jinx alone in the world since he’s been doing his utmost to sever that emotional connection to Vi all this time. He’d leave Jinx worse off in death; if he was killed by someone of Zaun like Sevika or a chembaron, she could very well go nuts and burn the whole city to the ground since it was Zaun that took him away from her. Part 2 and 3 demonstrated that while Jinx doesn’t like Piltover or Enforcers, she doesn’t care very much for Silco’s plans of an independent Zaun, either. It’s not something she’s particularly interested in. She’s very much about ‘doing whatever, whenever since the world doesn’t care about her existence, so why should she play by society’s rules?’
If he sold out Jinx, Zaun would get what it always dreamed of, but in doing so he would be giving up on the one enduring principle he held, which was loyalty to those he holds close. While he’s manipulative, ruthless, pragmatic, business-and-profit-minded, he wouldn’t have been able to swallow down his conscience of creating an independent city on the back of a betrayal. It went against the sort of Zaun he wanted to create: A den of thieves and unscrupulous businessmen, but a haven that would close ranks to protect each other from outsiders.
Jinx being the one who killed Silco was ironic but also poetic in its own way. Because she was the one to kill him, Zaun is safe from her vengeful wrath.
I love the tragedy in this scene: “Is their anything as undoing as a daughter?”
When Jinx hears it, she assumes that Silco thinks the she constantly screws up his plans and schemes, and just sees her as a failure.
When in reality, Silco is saying that he would give anything for Jinx, because he cares for her more than anything.
She thinks he's saying she's weak. Instead he's saying he's weak. Because he's about to give up everything he ever wanted for her. But he's going to do it, because nothing matters more than her.
I so badly wish he'd finished it with something like "I could never give her up" just something, anything that would've told Jinx that he'd never actually betray her or give her up. I know he didn't know she was there but I still desperately wish he'd expressed some aspect of how fully felt, just something that would've made it clear that he too could never give up his child. It might've messed with the moment in some way but I just desperately wish Jinx had known from the start that her dad would never leave her.
"The boy didn't even haggle"
I love this line and it's implications. It shows Jayce didn't ask for anything but peace and Silco knows it. The three things he did ask for, the end of shimmer, the gemstone, and Jinx, weren't for the sake of mitigating any loss or trying to retain some advantage, power, or control over Silco and his people. It was just the price for peace. And peace for everyone, not just Piltover.
That is most certainly not at all implied
Jayce was very arrogant in their exchange, he has become corrupted by that point
He got "scared straight" somewhat after accidentally murdering a child (which Vi simply shrugged off!) but still....
@@alexanderplatypus3664 Fuck no, Corrupted? Maybe a little bit dirty because of the politics of the council but he was as straight as a politician of that power could be, he wasn't being arrogant he was stating facts when setting demans on silco and even then he asked the minimum, doable things that would help both.
@@agentc7020 my man and Vi fought against Zaunite mechs with only hextech mining tools and won, now that they got actually trained soldiers specializing in hextech weaponry, does Zaun stand a chance? He is not scared they'd lose hes scared of everything that will happen if the war happens. The outside threats seeing the in-fighting, having to witness needless slaughter, etc. My man just wanted peace
Jayce is such a shit character ong
5 years and he doesn't even learn to haggle, awful character development 0/10
It's ridiculous to call jayce "arrogant" after his fight with zaun's mech thugs. That's literally one of the scenes where he gets humbled and it affects the rest of his choices.
No more words needed, just Silco admitting that he judged Vander wrongly, cause he was going to do the same in that position. 10/10
True
He eventually understood the reason why Vander gave up on their dreams and made it his priority to keep the people he held most dear safe because that was enough for him.
and more specifically, vi in episode 2.
Everyone says this but idk
I think Silco was still committed to Zaun. He was struggling internally with how to proceed.
It's ultimately Vi's fault for telling Jayce all about Jinx to be honest, that is what set up this demand for her!
Silco was searching for a way forward, he didn't simply give up and become the same as Vander
@@alexanderplatypus3664 He still fell short on his convictions, like Vader, unable to take the needed sacrifice needed to get Zaun independence. In any case, I'd argue Silco wasn't any better than Vander, because for Vander it wasn't even a guarantee - he would wage a war for naught potentially. Whereas Silco had what he wanted right in front of his face, with most the favourable deal he could get at the expense of getting rid of his problems 'And what do I lose but problems?' and couldn't take it over the fear of losing his daughter, like Vander.
This is what you call brilliant character development
“You should’ve sacrificed that kid, Vander”.
*Several years later*
“Aww, shit, guess I’m a hypocrite then. Cheers *then pours liquor in a fountain*”.
It's not so much as a hypocrite as it is he changed his viewpoint and finally understood him. That's different from a hypocrite. I know you're joking but just saying it for those in the back
@@bman296 It’s all good bro.
You’re good. 👍🏻
The dummy now gets it
It was a really good humanizing moment for Silco.
@@bman296 "Sometimes a hypocrite is nothing more than a man in the process of changing" Brandon Sanderson
Jayce doesn't like to haggle, this was teased earlier when he visited Benzos shop. He knew that his purchase would be expensive so he paid in straight gold. God i love this show everything was thought out, this will be an avatar level series maybe even greater.
Zaun must be free..there will be a beast that comes..
Progress is all about moving forward.
@@jamesspencer3016 wow, a very intelligebt person that knows about warwick
Avatar? Avatar looks like shit in comparison
@@jorgealberto8544 well no shit, but that was the "greatest" before people realized animations potential for adults. And dont come at me like "what about anime", i dont like to watch any of it.
After all these years, he finally understood why Vander stopped fighting.
I can't reply to every single comment but people keep saying this and it's not true
Silco just is sort of emotionally venting here he's not "admitting Vander was right"
Silco's final scene shows him fiercely arguing against Vi, that "Powder is Jinx!" and he even tries to shoot Vi. THen he tells Jinx she's perfect. Is that a man who's basically agreeing with Vander? Don't think so.
He was just internally wrestling with how to proceed given the situation
@@alexanderplatypus3664 I didn't say he agreed with Vander. I said he understood. That's a big difference.
If the writing is this level consistently I'll wait a whole decade for season two. Yes it will suck but Quality over quantity is the price we have to pay.
"I never would've given you to them... not for anything."
"Don't cry. You're perfect."
I loved the little nod Silco gave as he offered Vander a drink, showing how he still cares. It's all in the details
To blisters and bedrock
To blisters and bedrock 🍻
this made me fall in love with silco
he tried so hard not to become his brother, yet he did it all on his own
"The boy didn't even haggle"
That small voice crack right there...Silco finally understood Vander's way of doing things
Felicia to Vander and Silco, "You're not allowed to fail anymore. For her. For me.."
"To Blisters and Bedrock" 😭😢
It was her loss that pushed Silco over the edge...and caused Vander to stop..
Silco to Vander: WHat happened to you, you've gone soft for a bunch of kids. What happened to the dream we both had?!
Silco now: Okay...i understand, it all makes sense. *pours drink into fountain* You were right.
He didn't gave up on a dream though, unlike Vander.
@@nviolet152 he did, was literally offered everything he ever fought for right in front of him but he knew it was out of his reach because the price was jinx and he wasn't going to pay
@@vtnk7597 No, he didn't.
Just because he prioritized Jinx over his dream and took a harder root to achieve it doesn't mean he gave up on it. What kind of f*cked up logic is that? Doesn't make any sense. F8cking stupid. Hate f*cking stupid things. They annoy me. You annoy me. F8ck you. Everyone must always make sense or they must be f*ckign muked out of existence.
Silco does not think Vander was right
He just appreciates it a bit more
He still thinks Zaun needs to be created some way, and you can't just stagnate under Piltover forever
The defeat -and- the hint of sarcasm in Silco's voice when he says "Oh, it all makes sense now, brother." How he knows Vander was doing what was right, that he now knows he'd do the same and still can't let go of that hard, sharp razor's edge of siblingly hatred. I love this character so much.
I like how he pours a drink for Vander and offers a little toast.
I didn't know how this scene could hit any harder, until season 2.
Silco is trapped now.
His power was waining, but then he gets everything he has worked and fought for his entire life offered tae him, and the price is the only thing he can not pay.
His death to Jinx was very likely the best outcome he could hope for. She was sincerely horrified she had done it, and in his last moments he felt her mourning him, meaning she loved him.
In the grand scheme, how many get tae die beside their loved ones?
I can't wait to see Silco in s2 as a new voice in Jinx's head.
@@brookejon3695 Apparently, in the games, Jinx likes talking to the big shark-shaped gun Fishbones, and it is generally the voice of reason for her, almost like a patient parental figure in her head. In Arcane, it's pretty clear that she designed the gun Fishbones with Silco in mind (his love of aquatic animals, the scar on one eye, etc.). I wouldn't be surprised if, in season 2, she hears Silco's voice from Fishbones.
@@matthewmuir8884 Holy shit I completely took the design of Fishbones for granted. Thanks for the info
This is when Silco realized that he, like Vander, has something to lose.
I think the one of the main reasons why Silco forgave Jinx in the end for killing him is because he thought Jinx tried to protect Vi when he aimed the gun at her. Something Silco wished that he did the same with Vander, his sibling, which makes the part with him pouring his drink into the fountain more poignant.
Jinx's senses appear to increase while hearing voices, as seen in the fight with the fireflies. She hears the incoming attack far before anyone else. In this scene, she only points the gun after Silco grabs the other gun. I believe she was genuinely trying to protect Vi, just didn't have time to consider the consequences
Thats the same thing I thought at that moment. He broke the cycle of them, Jinx will be the "Saviour". And he successfully created her. He was proud in his last moment.
@@that1fangrl Seems more that she was defending herself. Up until that point she was still thinking Silco was going to sell her out to Piltover after overhearing Silco at the statue.
Nothing really points to her defending VI, who had yet to prove herself to Jinx at that point, and had also betrayed her, in Jinx's eyes.
@@that1fangrl Yeah like in episode 3, but though she successfully saved Vi this time, it doesn't satisfy her. I love how though she did what she always wanted to do (help her sister) it doesn't satisfy her because she lost another loved one in the process.
I think if Vi had grabbed a gun and pointed it at Silco, Jinx would have shot her instead.
Man, this character Silco, is a once in a lifetime character favorite for me. I started the show in the dark and completely unaware of the LoL world. Now all I want is SILCO back, alive and breathing. It aches in my heart how much I miss him even though he is RIGHT there on Netflix for me to watch over again. There are moments in the show where he utterly frightened the spirit out of me, then there are moments where I truly wanted to embrace him, sip on espresso and talk about his plans for the Nation of Zaun! What a tremendous job they did on Silco! And the VOICE ACTOR for HIM was a Perfect match!
I love you Silco!
"Don't cry, you're perfect"
In the fisrt half of the show it looked like he was going to be some shit villain who is evil for evil's sake. He turned out to be the best character of the show.
Don't worry, Jinx will be hearing from him in the future.
On come on Jinx you dork that was a compliment.
LMAOO 😭😭
@@dynasties.and.dystopiahe said what he said, dork
Best written villain in years.
Agreed --- Couple others:
Gus Fring from Breaking Bad
Wilson Fisk from Daredevil (Netflix)
Kilgrave from Jessica Jones (Although I recommend not watching past season 1 for that show...)
I felt like Jayce and Mel were the villains more than Silco honestly
Ekko too, he was a destructive anarchist who was pointlessly fighting the new order trying to create Zaun
@@LeiRaionHomelander
@@alexanderplatypus3664 ekko? a villain?? lmao, what are your train of thoughts on this. If anything you may have forgotten that silco ran the lanes with shimmer and get people addicted to it, made child work on productions. He may be a good father but he is nowhere near good.
@@LeiRaion Tywin Lannister and Lord Baelish from GoT, Negan from TWD.
The dynamic between Silco and Vander is absolutely incredible
The moment when Silco realizes what Vander has to lose when he tried to stop Silco from going through with his revolution.
Villains are even more compelling than the heroes because the way they’re written and that’s what I love about Arcane!
Right. "Villain" is basically someone with ideas and plans who wants to make changes.
"Hero" is someone who wants to keep things how they are.
That's really the fundamental difference
@@alexanderplatypus3664doesn't apply to arcane. Because people like jayce and Viktor maybe conflicted but they are not inept for change.
Anyone else see ekko's name scratched into the base of vanders statue at 0:29. A tiny but really cool detail
I love that the creators of the show had given us a visual of how Vander and Silco had the same dreams of uniting Zaun to be one but Silco going a whole different route of doing things then having him understand why Vander went his route
You can easily argue Vander abandoned that dream though
I mean it's kind of written in the show. Vander put his gloves away, and is a barkeep who basically does nada to advance Zaun
It's why Silco (and Sevika) overthrew him. They actually want Zaun to happen at some point
The fact that every aspect of this show is heightened with every new episode is unbelievable. This scene was powerful when it released, but it just kept getting more and more relevant and emotionally destroying. Beautiful writing.
0:24 - 0:27 Look closely and you can see Jinx before her reveal.
This is one of the best character arcs I’ve ever seen
This is the moment that Silco learned that,
the cost for glory is *always* problems.
To blisters and bedrock!
To blisters and bedrock 🍻
It all makes sense now brother. One of the best character arcs ever
Let's not forget that this entire time, Zaun was under Silco's rule. Which means that he had the statue built. He may have hated Vander for his betrayal, but part of him still loved him like his brother.
"And what do I lose,but problems?" He's trying to rationalize giving up Jinx and yet he still can't...He always knew Jinx made more problems then she solved, he always knew giving her up would be the smartest decisions and yet he kept saying otherwise when faced with the facts shown by Marcus,Sevika, the barons.....he just couldn't do it.
Feelings won over logic, family won....
Family always wins in Arcane,for better or worse.
I like how he pours a drink for Vander and gives him a little toast.
"Have you had enough" - Silco
0:38
I just finished the series a couple moments ago and this scene is just insane. From the voice acting, lighting, cinematography, tone, its all just a absolute masterpiece and I’m still left speechless
Other than the final scene this one was the best scene for me
10/10 scene
They wrote Silco so well, you felt bad for him in the end. He was just a human with a dream...
That part at the end where Jinx's eyes glow... The music sounded like Fiddlesticks...
Isn't Fiddlesticks in Demacia tho?
@@joshjo9405 I read somewhere that every city has their own tales and stories about Fiddlesticks. So, he's kinda everywhere. Though, I just really want to see him in the show because I love Kellen Goff.
@@HardcoreBeta Bits of metal and scrap, lumbering around in strange ways
“Is there anything so undoing as a daughter ?” Jinx doesn’t realize that Silco really calls her daughter 😢
I forgot how unreasonably good the dialogue is in this show
Season 2 made Silco 1000x better
happy father's day to both Silco and Vander. it isn't the daughter that's undoing, it's the father's love for her.
he said: is there anything so endearing as a daughter
I really love this part in the season 1 Silco is having the same crisis as Vander he doesn't want to give up jinx but it stop their dream turning undercity to the nation of Zaun
These words still hitting hard on season 2
This scene is a fucking masterpiece I swear
“Thanks for this Vander statue, taking to Real Vander hasn’t been the same since I let Singed turn him into a Werewolf Cyborg for his birthday."
silco never really tried to manipulate Jinx. He really thinks that Jinx burying all of her past is the best thing for her to do because thats what he did for himself. That's all he ever knew. He saw himself in Jinx, and he truly loved her
Its going to be all the more sad when Warwick begins his rampage in Zaun and Jinx and Vi find out who Warwick actually is.
That's assuming that they do find out who Warwick really is. Given that his identity is a mystery in the main game, it might be that the only people who know are Singed and the audience.
That might make it all the more saddening, to be honest; suddenly, this werewolf monster begins rampaging across Zaun, unable to contain its bloodlust, and no one; not even the wolf's own family, can recognize who it once was.
I think the "Warwick used to be Vander" thing is what will push Vi over the edge and she'll become more like her videogame self ("The Bad Cop")
Silco is a cunning guy with a will of iron and a dream, but at the end of the day he is just a guy playing the game of power, just a guy
still hits hard seeing this again
silco realizing he fked up killing his best friend for no reason, ending up in literally the same position only wanting to protect a daughter.
if current silco saw vander before he died, things wouldve been different, they wouldve wanted nothing but to make zaun a better place for these two vi and powder.
0:21 So much character development right here, so much said by yet unsaid. Silco a man raised in squaller, beating down by a out of touch petty council. Who was so consumed by is lost for vengeance and power for his city and from self, suddenly got everything he wanted without a fight from someone he never expected to meet someone from the other side of the bridge who legitimate wants to help both cities prosper and wants to avoid conflict and even gave him what he wanted on agreeable terms. He is a man who suddenly realized all those years of the crimes and the Cincy committed we’re all for nothing
I like that the "it all makes sense now" isn't on what Silco has to do, but on what Vander did all those years ago. He finally understands why his once couragrous and reckless brother became so docile. it wasn't cowardice, it was because he had a family to look after.
I love how at 0:24 you can actually see Jinx’s hair sticking out behind the statue and her move her head just a little bit to show she was actually there all along and not just appearing out of thin air like most shows do, it’s the small details like that that make this show so good!
Oh man, this scene
"Love is the death of duty"
-Aemon Targaryen
i watched this 4 times in a row
The 'pour one out' for the friend who can't be there hits me right in the stomach
Oh he can, he just won't be the same anymore ;)
0:30 Ekko’s name is in the statue, that’s super cool!
Another fun detail, look at the wide shot the moment before that, you can see Jinx hiding behind the statue. Her hair is slightly visible just behind Vander's shoulder.
when he said [pensive music] i really felt that
this scene peaked silcos character in writing terms, it is really one of the best villians tho he is not i can sya in fiction( yeah there might be someoen u htink si better but u cant deny silco character is peak
One of the best antagonists in a tv series I’ve seen!!😍
Wanna bet that Warwick (Vander) will see this statue and tear it apart as he'll want to forget?
Pause at 0:48 to get a perfect view of her eyes. A mixture of emotions and a battle going in her head.
I can feel the sorrow, regret and guilt in Wilco’s voice.
0:24 love how you can see Jinx's hair poking out from Vander's shoulder. She's been there the whole time!
That broken voice of Silco's... Every time I revisit that scene something dies in me. It's beautiful and it hurts to realize that it's an actual declaration of love for Jinx that she never heard. All she heard was that she was the problem.... Too sad.
There's one important lesson, I first learned from this show and this scene in particular, which is....
Jayce needs to learn how to "haggle".
This is basically Silco's big "So this is what it feels like huh?" moment
I can't find anyone addressing the fact that it was Silco who made that statue for Vander.
How do you now that?
@@NewLifenpc even in the case he didn't actually make it himself, he left it stand there in the middle of his domain for everyone to see. It's a subtle show of respect and remaining affection he had left for his brother.
0:31 it’s written Ekko in the statue
When I tell you this scene made me sob unconsolably
Silco is easily one of the best Villains overall I have seen in stories, and I love so much the way he's written.
The only other time I could hay the same for a Villain is Emet Selch from Final Fantasy 14 - Shadowbringers, a villain so well written that it even beat FF7's Sephiroth in popularity rankings.
Same energy as Megamind in the Metroman museum
It should be illegal to make a show this good, this moment perfectly redeems Silco in my eyes. Silco was essentially Vander if he never met Jinx and Vi; now that Silco feels love for Jinx, he understand why Vander wouldn't fight for the cause. Like how tf can Arcane make Silco kill that amazing female cop, and yet I don't even hate him in the slightest?? Like I have more hatred towards Marcus' daughter for letting strangers into her house than I do for Silco.
i like how you can spot jinx even before it's revealed she was listening
It’s been a few weeks and I need to rewatch this show
Honestly, one of the best scenes in the show.
Idk if everyone noticed, but when Silco pours the drink, you can see carvings of names and one says "EKKO" cool detail
had he lived longer......he to might have had a statue after this moment
He is actually not Pouring his wine in the fountain,he is actually sharing it with vander
He’s pouring a drink out for his brother, he even offers a small toast.
0:22 I love how she is even slightly visible behind the statue