I'm not sure where people get the idea that "calling is more comfortable" pre-flop. I think as a beginner strategy, raise folding is a much easier way of narrowing your options and narrowing the post flop range. If you are calling you deal with a wider range with more possibilities and more probabilities.
It’s super relevant. It means villain is likely a liberal and is more likely to have a low IQ. Also means villain is more likely to blast off with air.
@@johnphillips669 haha true. All the libs called me an idiot because I said trump was the greatest American to ever live, and I’d have NO shame to lick the orange all off of his face if he asked me to.
It's so funny because I've been felted 2wice in this exact type of scenario when I'm like "I'm just never folding top 2 on a dry board". Once was on K72 rainbow where I opened CO and was flatted in SB Or BB, and the other was KJ6 where I opened KJ in late-ish position and also was flatted in bb or something. In both cases, they had flopped the set (22 and 66), and I just ended up shipping it in a Raise RR type of scenario. My personal opinion is that second-guessing is kind of results oriented but it really does also make you think: What could they realistically have when they want to play a huge pot on a nothing burger board? Most normal people *aren't* sticking it all in without the nuts, but again, can we ever really fold in those spots? It's a tough call (no pun intended). So I would tend to lean toward agreeing with both of you here because bad players (and I know this tag isn't) are jamming with worse A LOT of the time, and I only mentioned 2 scenarios when in reality I've stacked dozens of droolers who just didn't have a clue and stack off with basically any trash pair. Even Tags sometimes will as well if they can't get away from top pair.
James and Chris, keep it coming... I think you both are have great insight an conversations that are easy to understand for the average player wanting to learn. I was screaming "3-Bet" preflop and was glad that Chris agreed. It likely might not have helped in the end as many TAGs would flat the 3-Bet with 6's and set mine (I know I would with 100BB stacks in play) but it would definitely eliminate AA,KK, and maybe QQ if they just called. By the river I am terrified they have the pocket 6's, but like James there is not a crowbar big enough to find a fold at that point.
I'm the poster and this was the last hand of poker I played. I'm pretty bad yet somehow I rode a wave of decent profit from 2/5 for a bit until I got back to even from this hand. And decided, I'm bad I should quit. Which I did. Haha. I didn't know this was made and got randomly recommended to me.
i needed this!!! im still having PTSD over a hand 2 yrs ago where i had AK and flop came AK6. i did 3bet preflop, got called by the initial raiser and one other. board had 2 clubs. initial raiser first to act lead out the flop despite my 3bet pre, i call, the other player calls. i assumed the other player had the flush draw. turn comes 5 no club, dude now down bets, i re-raise because the down bet confused me so i wasnt sure where he was at but i also wanted to charge the mr draw man left to act, which he folds (later tells me he was on the draw) so me and initial raiser left and he simply smooth calls my bet. then he checks the river when it comes a deuce. i ask him, what do you have? and he just smiles and is moving his body a little bit side to side. he confused the heck out of me because he smooth called my preflop re-raise, then led out, then downbet, then smooth called my reraise and now is just checking....grrrr i was so confused. but i said to him, "i would love to put more money into this pot, but i have this strange feeling that you have pocket 6's." and he just stopped smiling and stopped moving his body. so i just flipped over my cards and he did the ole make a fist and said "man, i was hoping you would bet the river" maybe this video and typing this out will finally be the therapy i needed to just let it go!!!! no clue why that hand annoys me so much or why it has stuck with me this long, coolers are coolers and i have lived with so many that i dont remember them, but this one...grrrrr. prob doesnt help i was up in the session and this hand was the first loss that lead to that session being a losing one, but ironically i dont remember the other hands that came after haha thanks for the vid!!!
I've been doing so much better with money management. What's the best way to send you hands? I have one that I'd like to see you break down. Much love James. Thank you for helping me really enter the next level of this game.
@@splitsuit Thank you James. I truly appreciate what you do. I always say in teaching poker the psychology means nothing until you learn your ABCs of the math. Learn the game like a pro to break the rules like an artist. I got to find the hand but I'll post it soon. ACR is shut down right now. Updates. I'm finally managing my money right and I'm starting to consistently win. Big thanks to you my brotha.
Another excellent video. I really enjoy the analysis from both of you. If pre-flop the Hero three bets and the Villain four bets, given the Villain's profile we are putting them on a very narrow range of hands, e.g., AA, KK, QQ, with AA, QQ less likely because of Hero's AQ, so more likely KK, and certainly not 66. Is that the right way to look at it? Thank you
Another thing to consider is that if you do put them on trips you can use a run out of a possible flush or straight to lose less money. Although losing less money isn't the best strategy. It is a way to keep the pot somewhere manageable when you don't want to shove.
Okay, I'm only 5 mins in, and I know in GTO we play ranges and put our opponents on ranges. But we don't consider raising here, because this range favors the nemesis, even though we have top two?
You'll only get called by what has you beat after you raise their raise. Call down til showdown as you block 2 of the 4 possible set combos. If you lose, that's fine. You'll catch people in bluffs. If your opponents aren't bluffing enough, you can fold everything less than TPTK (super nitty). Imagine villain has 78d or even 78clubs. Those are both reasonable raises that you have beat unless a 9, 10 or club hits the river. Only 8 combos of sets and way more combos of straight and flush draws.
Given the preflop flat call and the board C-bet and reraise: I think she could have have 1 combination of AAs, QQs, 3x 66s (5 hands that beat us). 4 combos of AQ that's chop should be 6 combination of A6, or only 1 A6 diamonds if she's really tight Possible bluffs with the reraise flop with AK, KKs, JJs, 10s (assume she only bluffs 1/3 of the time with these, because our range is so weak with the cold call preflop). Maybe even some diamond and clubs J10s and KJs, club suited cards probably would've bluff-jam on the turn too rather than this wierd 205 behind. By the turn, I think it should be such a clear call because you're ahead like 70% of the time, just sucks to lose this time.
Even if you 3bet preflop, and she called, she might play 1/3 of her 66s, may flat with some AAs and QQs, but still play all of her AQ, J10s, JJs, 10s, possibly some KJs and A6s, still would be a call in that case, you're ahead about more than half of the times too I feel.. my 2 cents.
Most players would only have 1 combo of A6. A6o is a trash hand, it’s the worst Ax holding possible. Fine to open from the button but not any other seat.
21:02 "I love 3 betting this spot in these small stakes live cash games." LOL!!! I love how much the definition of "small stakes" has changed. I think if you added up all of the poker games going on around the world, this game would definitely be on the higher side, being "High Stakes"
I’m trying to start understanding pot odds. How is minute 9:25 3 to 1 odds? Can someone please explain the math? Isn’t it 80$ to call in a pot of more or less 260$ (47+65+145)? So 3,25, and aren’t pot odds calculated like this: 1+3,25=4,25 so pot odds are 4,25:1. That’s how I’ve understood it
@Bruno Maruca 257:80 = 3.2125 pot odds. For % you have to add up the entire pot you can win, which includes your potential call of 80 in addition to the 65 you already have in there: 80/47+145+145 = 23.7%. You can practice by seeing the same numbers on the replayer: Odds 3.2:1 - 24%
I really learned basic poker from you james. One thing I see at top level that I really feel is a mistake and agree w guy-is once you raise AQ on button-you give up leverage and position. If you get raised. Dude obviously had you beat his hand was face up BECAUSE. Mistake was flop
Ok I just had a very similar hand to this but the difference was there was 4 players in post flop. In this case shouldn't you bet to narrow down the field?
Another positive of 3 betting pre is that if they flat call your 3 bet it removes the chances that they have AA or QQ in their range. When they check the flop to you and you continue at say a half to 3/4 pot bet and they call you have to start thinking about the possibility of your oppo 66.
What if we are out of position in spots like this? And what happens if we 3 bet and completely whiff the flop? Do we bluff for 3 streets if there are broadways? Or lay it down if we face aggression from villain and there are no broadways? I love to 3 bet hands like AK and AQ and sometimes AJ but tend to miss a lot and not sure what to do when I miss. My bluffs tend to get called down a lot at my local card room. I’m known as a super tag and always lowest vpip at my local card room. I’m generally playing 1-5 hands an hour unless I’m running good and picking up hands but I do play a super tight range due to the rake structure out here in California
Are you sure that you are the tightest person at the table AND also getting your bluffs called down consistently? As to your overall question, spend some time in a solver against a few different "call vs. 3bet" ranges. Smaller sized cbets can also be quite efficient too in those pots fwiw.
Would your view on 3-betting pre-flop be different if Hero did not notice that the blinds were pre-folding their hands? Does that have any impact on your 3-bet strategy?
After watching, I agree that 3-betting preflop would have been the best play to start. Depending on how tight the TAG is and how comfortable she is playing 3-bet pots OOP, she may have just laid it down right there and this spot would have been avoided. As played, she does have the nut advantage on the flop and the flop betting should have been a major tell that she indeed had the nuts. TAG regs play tight and then aggressively bet their made hands. The only really nutted hand hero can have here is 66 and villain has that herself. So she was specifically trying to get max value out of hero’s exact hand and possibly a stubborn AK.
I played the exact same hand (except that I was oop) a few days ago against an agrofish who would have played exactly the same with AK instead of 66 here which is going Allin preflop (NL 10)... I was already tilted by a few others coolers before and this one hurt. It sucks but this is part of the game...
You say there is no way hero has aces, especially since the blinds are out. On the contrary. If the binds are out, button doesn't have to worry that flat calling will give big blind good pot odds to call to and face 2 opponents. So hero could trap with aces for sure.
A big value of flatting AA with the blinds left is to induce a squeeze. With the squeeze value gone there is little reason to think that flatting AA is going to be more profitable than 3betting it.
@@splitsuit If the big blind is a very aggressive player, then sure, flatting to induce a sqyeez is a great play. But otherwise it just gives the bb too good odds to fold and pkaying aces agsinst 2 opponents, even with position is tricky. I flatted aces many times abd it drives people nuts as they don't expect it and that's when they make mistakes. Imo anyway)
Doesn't hero need to factor in the "mistake" they may have made in these situations? By that I mean if hero raised on the flop, which I believe we can say is a mistake here against a TAG, does that mean they should keep going with the hand once facing the turn bet? If I understand your logic you talk about factoring in crazy bluffs when raising the flop, therefore you can't fold now because that's the reason you got there in the first place. But...if you realize you shouldn't be there, isn't it better to leave? I think the difference is that I am not seeing the raise on the flop as a plan, as much as a mistake.
Definitely agree in general that we shouldn't chase a mistake, in this situation however since we're only beat by a few combos (5), hands like AK or A6 could overplay their hand, and a few bluffs we shouldn't be certain enough that folding is higher EV than stacking off in an already bloated pot.
I other words oven if he had a set there’s a lot of turns he won’t like and he’ll check back and you can do whatever. No need to raise in position I just don’t get why people do that
I think there is no way you can just call the post flop bet, because the nut straight draw is available. You have to reraise all-in, or fold, but preferably re-raise all-in. You could have AA or QQ, and you are drawing to the nuts anyway, so even if the Villain has 66 it is not necessarily going to result in a losing call, especially in the long run as the Villain will not be so incentivisedto bluff in the same position later on. Just calling the post flop bet looks so not like AQ I would imagine there is a good chance that the Villain may just decide to bluff here.
Yeah I just had this had basically and did what you said and got sucked out by pocket 8s vs. my KQ with a KQ8 flop. I ended up on this video. He min raised. I raised 3x that because I had 2 players behind. He went all in for another pot size bet and I called. It's hard for me to imagine doing it any differently especially since I had 4 players still in the hand preflop... oh well. Sometimes a bad beat is a bad beat. I could have min raised and road it out to the river, but I'm sure he would have kept cranking it up on the next 2 streets.
imo you must be willing to lose your stack in situations like this. I would fold my AAQQ here to two 84 year olds that I play with. I would also fold my KK if they 3bet me pre-flop.
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I appreciate the offer Sammy! Out of curiosity, what about my current sound profile is impacting your tinnitus? Is it all videos on YT, or something specific about my videos that's doing it?
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@@ThePokerBank length is good. 8 min too short. Like hearing the in depth thought processes. But it will cost you when you sit down at my table and I recognize you. LOL
I prefer the in debt analysis of these vids tbh. There are plenty of rapid analysis videos out there but I often find the person makes a comment as to why you do this or that, then moves on to the next street and I'm left wondering at the logic of their statement. Here everything is explained and I find I come away with a better knowledge.
I'm not sure where people get the idea that "calling is more comfortable" pre-flop. I think as a beginner strategy, raise folding is a much easier way of narrowing your options and narrowing the post flop range. If you are calling you deal with a wider range with more possibilities and more probabilities.
I suspect it's risk-aversion meeting "I don't want to fold either", which can expand that calling range quickly.
I love the fact that the tattoos are mentioned in the write up😂
lol
It’s super relevant. It means villain is likely a liberal and is more likely to have a low IQ. Also means villain is more likely to blast off with air.
@@johnphillips669 haha true. All the libs called me an idiot because I said trump was the greatest American to ever live, and I’d have NO shame to lick the orange all off of his face if he asked me to.
Label: Rich Asian female TAG with tattoos.
@@johnphillips669 i wanted to say something about your mother but i respect splits too much to post things like this at his videos , but its relevant
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It's so funny because I've been felted 2wice in this exact type of scenario when I'm like "I'm just never folding top 2 on a dry board". Once was on K72 rainbow where I opened CO and was flatted in SB Or BB, and the other was KJ6 where I opened KJ in late-ish position and also was flatted in bb or something.
In both cases, they had flopped the set (22 and 66), and I just ended up shipping it in a Raise RR type of scenario. My personal opinion is that second-guessing is kind of results oriented but it really does also make you think: What could they realistically have when they want to play a huge pot on a nothing burger board?
Most normal people *aren't* sticking it all in without the nuts, but again, can we ever really fold in those spots? It's a tough call (no pun intended). So I would tend to lean toward agreeing with both of you here because bad players (and I know this tag isn't) are jamming with worse A LOT of the time, and I only mentioned 2 scenarios when in reality I've stacked dozens of droolers who just didn't have a clue and stack off with basically any trash pair. Even Tags sometimes will as well if they can't get away from top pair.
James and Chris, keep it coming... I think you both are have great insight an conversations that are easy to understand for the average player wanting to learn. I was screaming "3-Bet" preflop and was glad that Chris agreed. It likely might not have helped in the end as many TAGs would flat the 3-Bet with 6's and set mine (I know I would with 100BB stacks in play) but it would definitely eliminate AA,KK, and maybe QQ if they just called. By the river I am terrified they have the pocket 6's, but like James there is not a crowbar big enough to find a fold at that point.
Cheers!
I'm the poster and this was the last hand of poker I played. I'm pretty bad yet somehow I rode a wave of decent profit from 2/5 for a bit until I got back to even from this hand. And decided, I'm bad I should quit. Which I did.
Haha. I didn't know this was made and got randomly recommended to me.
It's never too late to pick poker back up!
i needed this!!! im still having PTSD over a hand 2 yrs ago where i had AK and flop came AK6. i did 3bet preflop, got called by the initial raiser and one other. board had 2 clubs. initial raiser first to act lead out the flop despite my 3bet pre, i call, the other player calls. i assumed the other player had the flush draw. turn comes 5 no club, dude now down bets, i re-raise because the down bet confused me so i wasnt sure where he was at but i also wanted to charge the mr draw man left to act, which he folds (later tells me he was on the draw) so me and initial raiser left and he simply smooth calls my bet. then he checks the river when it comes a deuce.
i ask him, what do you have? and he just smiles and is moving his body a little bit side to side. he confused the heck out of me because he smooth called my preflop re-raise, then led out, then downbet, then smooth called my reraise and now is just checking....grrrr i was so confused. but i said to him, "i would love to put more money into this pot, but i have this strange feeling that you have pocket 6's." and he just stopped smiling and stopped moving his body. so i just flipped over my cards and he did the ole make a fist and said "man, i was hoping you would bet the river"
maybe this video and typing this out will finally be the therapy i needed to just let it go!!!! no clue why that hand annoys me so much or why it has stuck with me this long, coolers are coolers and i have lived with so many that i dont remember them, but this one...grrrrr. prob doesnt help i was up in the session and this hand was the first loss that lead to that session being a losing one, but ironically i dont remember the other hands that came after haha
thanks for the vid!!!
Yup, it's time to let that hand go =)
Bad play, shove river
@@MCFoultier He said he had a strong read pretty much so why put another penny in
@@MCFoultier you don't fold a set on this board. and you don't expect the opponent to 3-bet with 34.
@@chrisharding9840 He played against a Button clicker, idgaf about reads, this is a shove otr
You 2 have the best poker discussion dynamics on the internet. Without a doubt.
Thanks 1 2!
In the casino I play 1/2 the vast majority of players in hero's situation aren't 3-betting AQ. About half aren't 3-betting QQ.
Very common at live $1/$2 ime
I've been doing so much better with money management. What's the best way to send you hands? I have one that I'd like to see you break down. Much love James. Thank you for helping me really enter the next level of this game.
Cheers Tim! Post the hand on the Discord: redchippoker.com/discord
@@splitsuit Thank you James. I truly appreciate what you do. I always say in teaching poker the psychology means nothing until you learn your ABCs of the math. Learn the game like a pro to break the rules like an artist. I got to find the hand but I'll post it soon. ACR is shut down right now. Updates. I'm finally managing my money right and I'm starting to consistently win. Big thanks to you my brotha.
@@timelkin838 you are very welcome! Nice job putting in the time and effort to continue growing =)
Another excellent video. I really enjoy the analysis from both of you. If pre-flop the Hero three bets and the Villain four bets, given the Villain's profile we are putting them on a very narrow range of hands, e.g., AA, KK, QQ, with AA, QQ less likely because of Hero's AQ, so more likely KK, and certainly not 66. Is that the right way to look at it? Thank you
Another thing to consider is that if you do put them on trips you can use a run out of a possible flush or straight to lose less money. Although losing less money isn't the best strategy. It is a way to keep the pot somewhere manageable when you don't want to shove.
Okay, I'm only 5 mins in, and I know in GTO we play ranges and put our opponents on ranges. But we don't consider raising here, because this range favors the nemesis, even though we have top two?
You'll only get called by what has you beat after you raise their raise. Call down til showdown as you block 2 of the 4 possible set combos. If you lose, that's fine. You'll catch people in bluffs. If your opponents aren't bluffing enough, you can fold everything less than TPTK (super nitty). Imagine villain has 78d or even 78clubs. Those are both reasonable raises that you have beat unless a 9, 10 or club hits the river. Only 8 combos of sets and way more combos of straight and flush draws.
you block aces but i think aces can flat call the 3 bet trying to trap
Great video! When you say 'solver', what program are you referring to? Is there a solver that evaluates the equity of raising vs calling?
Given the preflop flat call and the board C-bet and reraise: I think she could have have 1 combination of AAs, QQs, 3x 66s (5 hands that beat us).
4 combos of AQ that's chop
should be 6 combination of A6, or only 1 A6 diamonds if she's really tight
Possible bluffs with the reraise flop with AK, KKs, JJs, 10s (assume she only bluffs 1/3 of the time with these, because our range is so weak with the cold call preflop).
Maybe even some diamond and clubs J10s and KJs, club suited cards probably would've bluff-jam on the turn too rather than this wierd 205 behind.
By the turn, I think it should be such a clear call because you're ahead like 70% of the time, just sucks to lose this time.
Even if you 3bet preflop, and she called, she might play 1/3 of her 66s, may flat with some AAs and QQs, but still play all of her AQ, J10s, JJs, 10s, possibly some KJs and A6s, still would be a call in that case, you're ahead about more than half of the times too I feel.. my 2 cents.
Most players would only have 1 combo of A6.
A6o is a trash hand, it’s the worst Ax holding possible. Fine to open from the button but not any other seat.
21:02 "I love 3 betting this spot in these small stakes live cash games." LOL!!! I love how much the definition of "small stakes" has changed. I think if you added up all of the poker games going on around the world, this game would definitely be on the higher side, being "High Stakes"
Can we agree on "the high side of the global average game and median size of all live games", or 'THSOTGAGAMSOALG' for short?
2/5 NLH at 100-150 BB's is most definitely small stakes these days.
I’m trying to start understanding pot odds. How is minute 9:25 3 to 1 odds? Can someone please explain the math? Isn’t it 80$ to call in a pot of more or less 260$ (47+65+145)? So 3,25, and aren’t pot odds calculated like this: 1+3,25=4,25 so pot odds are 4,25:1. That’s how I’ve understood it
Pot Odds = $toCall/(Pot AFTER your call) = 80$/(80+47+65+145) = 80$ to call in a pot of more or less 340
@Bruno Maruca 257:80 = 3.2125 pot odds. For % you have to add up the entire pot you can win, which includes your potential call of 80 in addition to the 65 you already have in there: 80/47+145+145 = 23.7%. You can practice by seeing the same numbers on the replayer: Odds 3.2:1 - 24%
Pot / call , 260 /80 = 3.25 . Russ is right , your confusing Break even % ( risk / risk + reward) .
@@russ2991 so what information do pot odds give me? And what information does the % give me?
@@brunomaruca Pott odds = reward / risk. The % mean the required equity vs their range to make the call
These hand reviews are my absolute favourite RUclips poker content! Can I get more??? I'm happy to pay😂
Interesting idea! Feedback noted
I really learned basic poker from you james. One thing I see at top level that I really feel is a mistake and agree w guy-is once you raise AQ on button-you give up leverage and position. If you get raised. Dude obviously had you beat his hand was face up BECAUSE. Mistake was flop
Thank you for another great video ! I would not want to play against either one of you two , please stay off the micro tables , lol .
You're very welcome John!
It's old video, but I just got coolered by a set with top 2 on a wet board As7c6s, the guy cold called a 3bet with 66 3ways. Can't fold.
Ok I just had a very similar hand to this but the difference was there was 4 players in post flop. In this case shouldn't you bet to narrow down the field?
MP2 78s turn jam on a heart turn is kinda sexy.....until they call. Regardless of your range strength.
Another positive of 3 betting pre is that if they flat call your 3 bet it removes the chances that they have AA or QQ in their range. When they check the flop to you and you continue at say a half to 3/4 pot bet and they call you have to start thinking about the possibility of your oppo 66.
The issue is that 66 is faaaaaaaaar fewer combos than the collection of decent one pair hands that would check/call on this texture
What if we are out of position in spots like this? And what happens if we 3 bet and completely whiff the flop? Do we bluff for 3 streets if there are broadways? Or lay it down if we face aggression from villain and there are no broadways? I love to 3 bet hands like AK and AQ and sometimes AJ but tend to miss a lot and not sure what to do when I miss. My bluffs tend to get called down a lot at my local card room. I’m known as a super tag and always lowest vpip at my local card room. I’m generally playing 1-5 hands an hour unless I’m running good and picking up hands but I do play a super tight range due to the rake structure out here in California
Are you sure that you are the tightest person at the table AND also getting your bluffs called down consistently?
As to your overall question, spend some time in a solver against a few different "call vs. 3bet" ranges. Smaller sized cbets can also be quite efficient too in those pots fwiw.
@@splitsuit is there a solver that’s not insanely expensive? I looked into piosolver and that’s gonna break the bank
@@rayrommy8113 GTO Plus is the one I use (made by the same team that makes Flopzilla)
@@splitsuit thats what I thought. Maybe he is eating Oreos at the table.
Would your view on 3-betting pre-flop be different if Hero did not notice that the blinds were pre-folding their hands? Does that have any impact on your 3-bet strategy?
3-betting is probably always stronger than calling against players who don't 4-bet and open raise wide enough. Everyone loves calling too much :)
Good stuff !
At live 2/5 I’d be shocked if a TAG didn’t have it there.
Spoiler: you're right in this instance =)
on flop solver says to call 55% and raise 45%
After watching, I agree that 3-betting preflop would have been the best play to start. Depending on how tight the TAG is and how comfortable she is playing 3-bet pots OOP, she may have just laid it down right there and this spot would have been avoided.
As played, she does have the nut advantage on the flop and the flop betting should have been a major tell that she indeed had the nuts. TAG regs play tight and then aggressively bet their made hands. The only really nutted hand hero can have here is 66 and villain has that herself. So she was specifically trying to get max value out of hero’s exact hand and possibly a stubborn AK.
66 from HJ calls 3-bet, it shouldn't be folded pre-flop
Very interesting! And useful!
I played the exact same hand (except that I was oop) a few days ago against an agrofish who would have played exactly the same with AK instead of 66 here which is going Allin preflop (NL 10)... I was already tilted by a few others coolers before and this one hurt. It sucks but this is part of the game...
On turn, the solver says to re-raise 54% call 42%.
You say there is no way hero has aces, especially since the blinds are out. On the contrary. If the binds are out, button doesn't have to worry that flat calling will give big blind good pot odds to call to and face 2 opponents. So hero could trap with aces for sure.
A big value of flatting AA with the blinds left is to induce a squeeze. With the squeeze value gone there is little reason to think that flatting AA is going to be more profitable than 3betting it.
@@splitsuit If the big blind is a very aggressive player, then sure, flatting to induce a sqyeez is a great play. But otherwise it just gives the bb too good odds to fold and pkaying aces agsinst 2 opponents, even with position is tricky. I flatted aces many times abd it drives people nuts as they don't expect it and that's when they make mistakes. Imo anyway)
You both together are very balanced. 💪😀
Great video.
Thanks Marius!
A good reg would have put you all in regardless with a check-raise on the turn and an all-in on the river it's just an unfortunate situation.
raise looks.likes 66 or a6 suited
Doesn't hero need to factor in the "mistake" they may have made in these situations? By that I mean if hero raised on the flop, which I believe we can say is a mistake here against a TAG, does that mean they should keep going with the hand once facing the turn bet? If I understand your logic you talk about factoring in crazy bluffs when raising the flop, therefore you can't fold now because that's the reason you got there in the first place. But...if you realize you shouldn't be there, isn't it better to leave? I think the difference is that I am not seeing the raise on the flop as a plan, as much as a mistake.
Definitely agree in general that we shouldn't chase a mistake, in this situation however since we're only beat by a few combos (5), hands like AK or A6 could overplay their hand, and a few bluffs we shouldn't be certain enough that folding is higher EV than stacking off in an already bloated pot.
How does the hero describe their game? We always look at the villain.
We always ask who the villain is. We never ask how the villain is.
I really like Chris and I'm impressed with his knowledge :)
Chris is a good guy =)
I other words oven if he had a set there’s a lot of turns he won’t like and he’ll check back and you can do whatever. No need to raise in position I just don’t get why people do that
Preflop solver says to call 31% re-raise 68%
I was in this against 8s. 8s are not going to fold on the 3 bet almost ever.
Villain only has the best hand 48.3% of the time. The other 51.7% of the time you are chopping.
I think there is no way you can just call the post flop bet, because the nut straight draw is available. You have to reraise all-in, or fold, but preferably re-raise all-in. You could have AA or QQ, and you are drawing to the nuts anyway, so even if the Villain has 66 it is not necessarily going to result in a losing call, especially in the long run as the Villain will not be so incentivisedto bluff in the same position later on. Just calling the post flop bet looks so not like AQ I would imagine there is a good chance that the Villain may just decide to bluff here.
Yeah I just had this had basically and did what you said and got sucked out by pocket 8s vs. my KQ with a KQ8 flop. I ended up on this video. He min raised. I raised 3x that because I had 2 players behind. He went all in for another pot size bet and I called. It's hard for me to imagine doing it any differently especially since I had 4 players still in the hand preflop... oh well. Sometimes a bad beat is a bad beat. I could have min raised and road it out to the river, but I'm sure he would have kept cranking it up on the next 2 streets.
This is not bad information, but it is soooo drawn out. Who has time to go through all this internal analysis on every street in a live game?
You said it really well, let me reiterate it .....NOOOOOOOOOOOO
Your video would be much shorter than this one =)
imo you must be willing to lose your stack in situations like this. I would fold my AAQQ here to two 84 year olds that I play with. I would also fold my KK if they 3bet me pre-flop.
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I appreciate the offer Sammy! Out of curiosity, what about my current sound profile is impacting your tinnitus? Is it all videos on YT, or something specific about my videos that's doing it?
@@splitsuit I can't speak to split suits problem but I notice your videos do have a lot of sibilance.
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Stop with the GTO. You can do anything when you Gto
If you cut these down to like 8 min i would watch
Totally fair! We have to pick a balance of how experienced our audience is but I could see us trying out some more rapid analysis in the future.
@@ThePokerBank length is good. 8 min too short. Like hearing the in depth thought processes. But it will cost you when you sit down at my table and I recognize you. LOL
I would recommend just watching at 2x speed
I prefer the in debt analysis of these vids tbh. There are plenty of rapid analysis videos out there but I often find the person makes a comment as to why you do this or that, then moves on to the next street and I'm left wondering at the logic of their statement. Here everything is explained and I find I come away with a better knowledge.
@@BarryRerack147 ive played 20+ hour sessions I just dont like the video format
stopnsaying balance.!!! damnit
Pros would of made that fold.
Why is her ethnicity and appearance relevant?
asian players are known as aggressive gamblers
Asians, black men and Hispanics generally play maniacal
For the love of god, once you have made a point, don’t repeat it ad nauseam.