Installing a Balboa BP7 Spa Pack / Hot Tub Spa Pack Upgrade
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Installing a Balboa BP7 Spa Pack / Hot Tub Spa Pack Upgrade
I am replacing an old hot tub spa pack for the new balboa BP7. This is a start to finish video including programming of the BP7.
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FYI - the grounds (both ground in and pump grounds) do not need to go in the box. They are all supposed to be outside the box which is why the ground bar is on the outside of the box. That way they don't have a chance of randomly touching stuff and shorting to ground if they move around in the box (like whenever the heater is replaced).
This video is fantastic. Best video on how to install. Unfortunately we are still having problems with the pump. It only works on low speed and the pump cuts out after 15 mins. The high speed won’t kick in. We get the “run, pumps, purge, air” message which is standard. Then we press jets and the low speed turns on. Should b3 able to press jets again and get high speed but nothing. After a period of time we get “ sensor balance “ message and “ heater flow loss”.
need more info. what balboa spa pack is it? BP501? Take a picture of the top sticker on the spa pack. take a picture of the topside controls and take picture of the circuit board inside the spa pack. Send pics to info@vippools.ca
@@VIPPoolsandSpas thank you. Just sent the pics
Did you get it to work? We are located in Yacolt Washington. We have a fantastic back yard with total privacy in the forest. The neighbor lady used to love coming over to go hot tubbing naked with my son and I. Unbelievable. She ended up being a little crazy and wouldn’t leave. I have to add that part of the story. I had another woman have a nervous breakdown and visit me. She tore up money and credit cards and threw her top on the roof. I knew my mom was going to show up because of Murphy’s Law. 10 minutes later she drove up my driveway and I had the woman hide in the closet below my stairs. My mom said “who’s car is that?” “Why is the money and credit cards torn up?” “Who’s bra is that on your roof?” “Just trust me and leave mom! I’ll tell you later!” I finally got the topless woman to leave and her kids called and said she was having a nervous breakdown and wondered if she had showed up. She ended up at the hospital and got the medication she needed and we are still friends. She laughs about it. Sorry about the stories but I have to tell someone. Good luck with your spa. You probably have it fixed by now.
@@VIPPoolsandSpas Hello, thanks so much for this! Unfortunately, I did not check that the white wires were connected to 240V for blower but my blower spec is 120V. Does it mean I killed my blower because was connected to 240V? I will try connecting the 120V...hope it's still ok. Thanks
Great video, thank you very much! I'm glad I watched it because I didn't know I'd have to move the white wire for my 120v ozonator. I'm just curious about the spa led lights and where they'll have to plug in.
lights are 12volts and you should have gotten a light harness with your pack. If so, just cut the old light wire (whte and black) and cut the ends of your new light harness (white and black). Twist the colors together and tape them up. Plug it in and bam, they will work.
@@VIPPoolsandSpas thank you, I know you're busy, I appreciate you taking time to answer my question. What I did, before I saw your response, my lights use the same plug, so I just plugged them into the light socket on the board. I'm assuming.... change that... I'm PREsuming that the AV socket is audio/video, so I moved the white wire to have 120v there, and plugged that into the power supply for the radio into that socket. I'm going back over videos here to double check the wiring, and programming . I'll be using option 20. I'm confident that everything is right now, so....
Great video. My only suggestion is I believe you must use a green insulated THHN (stranded) ground wire inside of Leak-Tite Conduit between circuit breaker and Spa Pack, and not a solid core ground wire. This is because the leak tite conduit is flexible and was designed only for stranded cable and not solid wire. Solid wire can break when flexed.
No issue with a solid ground from the GFCI to the hot tub spa pack in Canada.
My old hot tub has an antique controller which is corroded and has a bad contactor. I ordered a new Balboa controller with heater and I’m excited to have a tub that we won’t have to take turns jumping out of to reset the heater. I already rewired it and put everything into conduit instead of having the wire laying on the wet concrete next to the tub for several years because it was “Temporary”.
You will also save money by putting in an upgrade.
@@VIPPoolsandSpas good! I got mine running today by bypassing the heater contactors which worked great until the pump stopped and I saw and smelled a puff of smoke. I had decided to stay with the tub while it was running in case something happened like that! I am waiting for my new parts and thought I would have some fun this weekend. I’ll find something else to do now!
This video is fantastic. I am converting a Gecko M class pack to the Balboa BP7. I was wondering if you have a video on how to redo the plumbing part of this conversion.
Thank you.
Its a Arctic Spa?
Yes it is a cub model. @@VIPPoolsandSpas
@@vic49ers1 Ive changed out a few of those and put in the BP7 but it's hard to do a video on it because each one has been different. The plumbing and equipment location are always different. If you send me a few pictures of the spa pack and where the heater tube is, I can try and help on what to do. Might have to move Pump 1.
info@vippools.ca
Thanks for making this. It's a huge help. One question, it says on the interior panel top left, "For dedicated 240v do not connect white". Isn't this setup dedicated 240v? I have the exact same setup, 240v with a single 2 speed pump and am not sure whether or not to connect white.
Some spa packs from the US and other countries do not use a neutral wire (white wire) coming from the house to the spa pack. Meaning: just has a red, black and a ground. Most times you'll see a blue wire capped off and not used. But if you have a red, black, white and ground coming from the house you don't have to worry about that or change anything. That was a great question. Thanks.
If you just have a red, black and ground connected in your old spa pack thats coming from the house, you CAN NOT use any equipment in the hot tub with 120V. Its all "dedicated" to 240V only.
@@VIPPoolsandSpas Thanks for the response. I ended up just capping the white and not using it. Everything's running well!
Can you explain to me why the blower is activated every time the pump goes into high speed?
My tub has a 2speed pump and ozone I don't know what a circ pump looks like or where I could find it but I do have a 1-speed blower. I have my hardware set up on #8. But I'm not sure if maybe it should be on #4 instead. What does it mean by "programmable filtration + Polling?
Sometimes everything will come on, including the blower. It will normally happen when you just fill it or at the time of filtration.
Help please! My BP7 is not quite the same as yours. I CANNOT get my second pump to run. They sold me this thing with the instructions but I have no idea how any of this relates to my specific situation. Is there a basic starting point that I may be unaware of? Any thing would be greatly appreciated
What spa pack do you have? Where is Pump 2 plugged into? What topside do you have? Can you hear anything from pump 2 ?
My old unit has air control switches what do I do with them?
Thats where the new topside should go. Might have to do some cutting. Jigsaw works well.
Can my 03 master spa legend with mas560 connectors plug right into this board? 1 circulator, 1 1-speed, 2 2-speed. Will the ML900 top side work with it? Need a 11” wide hole to cover on top. Thank you
Same plug ins, yes. BUT. After that long. just replace them. Topside will not work with a BP7, only a TP500 and a TP600 will.
Will be taking a stab at this as my board is obsolete to repair and this is what Pool & Hot tub Depot recommends as a retrofit. How long are the pump cords? I have 3 pumps and one is stashed back in the corner a few feet away. Thanks
If you have any questions, let me know. The amp cords are around 3 feet long. I just use the cord that's on the pump already and join them using Moretz and electrical tape. My back ground is electrical and electronics.
@@VIPPoolsandSpas Thanks VIP! I'll reach out if I get tripped up. Looks like I've lucked out and my pump connections match the BP7 board I've been told.
@@coreyk5536 be sure to watch other videos on the BP7 install. I think I have others. The BP7 has a bad design on where the wires come into the spa pack. Not sure if this is the video, but I always put electrical tape on the neutrals plugged into the board. The ground wire has to go past that. It's just a bad design.
Man you weren’t kidding about the design. What a fight to get the 240 in. But it’s in! Quick question, what type of light bulb is required? My Calspa had the Sloan LEDs in. Thanks!
@@coreyk5536 not sure about the lights. If it's the LED strip lighting, it's the transformer. If it a bulb, they are pretty much all the same.
Thanks for this! I’m installing the same bp7 on a coast spa. Is the old metal temperature sensor just abandoned?
Yep. I will just cut the wire to the temp sensor going to the tub.
@@VIPPoolsandSpas thanks! Since my light is buried in foam I’m going to splice it in, it was pretty obvious but I was kind of stumped on the sensor. I guess it makes sense if there are sensors for temperature/ hi limit on the spa pack. Also I never knew you had to change the wire to a different location if the pump wasn’t 230. I will be double checking that for sure!!
@@FixerMerlin that's why I went to BP7 for my go to spa packs. I was tired of trying to get to the sensor on the tub. The light. If you use it, you'll have to get there to change the bulb. All BP7s are wired for 240v. If any of your plug in equipment are 120v, you'll have to move the white wire for that equipment over to 120v.
@@VIPPoolsandSpas it’s a real simple tub, so just plugged it in and everything seems to work! I’m using the tp200 topside control because the shape of the edge of the tub, limits the size so I’m in the process of finding out how to set it up, have you used the tp200 on e bp7?
@@FixerMerlin yes. not very often. Just in cases like yours.
I was looking at a BP7 spa pack. Does Balboa have BP7 models inclusive only to run 220v? Reason being I am looking at one that describes it only will work 220v.
If your in Canada or the US, the BP7 will come prewired to 240v but can be changed to 120v. Not sure if it's the same in anyother country.
@@VIPPoolsandSpas US. Then its safe to assume All US BP7 can run 110v. Thank you for the clarification
@@tb04507 Yes
@@tb04507 if you have any concerns, you can email me a picture of the pack or info to info@vippools.ca
We have a one pump two speed system. Just replaced the S Class system with Balboa 500 series. Followed this video and connections are all done properly. Tried everything and the second speed won’t start. Any suggestions?
yep. programming. turn power off, then turn back on. Tell me what numbers show up when its going thru its thing. dont touch any buttons.
@@VIPPoolsandSpas No numbers show up after the run pump purge air message
Very good Information on pack setup.
Question, I have a VS240R pack.
Can I set both pumps to be 2 speed.
Both my pumps are 2 speed pump.
Ty
I see you asked a question on a different video. What's the breaker / GFCI size at the house? What's the amps of the 2 pumps?
@@VIPPoolsandSpas The gfci is 50A 6awg copper. The pumps are 16.4A high/4.8A low.
@@johnnyrizzo8057 GFCI is too small. You have 2 pumps at 16amps, and a heater at around 23amps. That's 53amps. If you have a ozone or blower or any other equipment, add that also. Did you buy the 2 pumps at 5HP thinking you'll get more flow?
@@VIPPoolsandSpas the spa has 50 jets on two 2hp pumps. The manifolds are 3/4 to the jet housings.
The pressure is pretty weak. I got the 5hp for more pressure
@@johnnyrizzo8057 if you had 2 pumps in there before 1 pump would do one side of the tub and the other... The other side. The seat you sit in keep all the jets open,close the others to get more pressure in your seat. A 4HP pump is about the same as a 5HP pump. You will not see or feel the difference. Your GFCI and pack is 50amps only. You can not go over. If you had the BP7, you could switch it to a higher amp draw.
This could be a dumb question but what’s the red wire for in the main power supply at the 14 minute mark? I just have black white and neutral on my set up.
What's the volts on your tub coming in? Most tubs are wired 240v with a red, black, white and the ground wire.
@@VIPPoolsandSpas oh, that explains it! Mines a 110. I just bought a vs300 balboa pack to replace the old gecko control board that had failed after many, many years. Looks simple enough to install I’m just waiting on the new in line plug for the pump.
@@troutcloud whats the model number on the top? Should have VS300AV or VS300FL4. Because the AV you can change from 110v to 240v but the FL4, you can only wire it 110v. If you can change it over to 240v, there's a few things you have to watch for.
@@VIPPoolsandSpas so the model number is NORVS300. It’s definitely compatible with both 110 and 240v. The schematic shows that it’s currently set for 110v, otherwise I’d have to remove a jumper and wire it differently. What else should I look out for?
@@troutcloud ok. So your pumps will only be 120v and not 230v.. your good.
Thanks for the video. I have the same spa pack but used a TP600 for the top side. I have 2 -2 speed pumps and I feel the configuration is set correctly (dip switch, Mode). My issue is the tub works fine but the top side is reading 104F which is what I set it to but the water is only 95F. Additionally, the heat light flashes when the tub is heating, not sure if that is correct? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Heat light flashing = not heating. What does it say under the temp? Any letters or symbols?
@@VIPPoolsandSpas I watched another video with a TP600 where they said the blinking was normal as the light would go solid after a minute. Any ideas on what I could check?
@@robgreen1161 Sorry. lol TP600 for the BP7. Yes its normal on that topside with that spa pack. Others, not so. Turn power off, unplug both sensors on the circuit board (the 2 sensor on the heat tube), then turn power back on, let it do its thing. Error code will come up. Turn power off, plug both sensors back in, turn power back on. See if it will reset and sync up
@@VIPPoolsandSpas I tried this today. With the sensors unplugged is gave me a "call for service" message which I felt was amusing. I turned the power off and reconnected, then powered it back on. Sadly, no change in tub temp but topside says 104F; it's such a liar! Any other ideas I could try?
@@robgreen1161 Change the sensors
what the wire order on the pin for pump two
Wire order ON the pump all depends on what pump you have. Diagrams are on the pump itself. If your looking for the color order on the plug, just unplug from the board and you can see the color and the order.