The fact that Illusive man was 10 steps ahead of us in beginning of the game. Built those "refuge" camps supplyng cerberus soldiers. While we were away
@@DadaduduxD Come on he said people died in Horizon but its ok because weve saved more than the ones lost. Its statistics for him. Also he was too renegade and also indoctrinated. I mean whod even let himself to be a reaper drone otherwise.
@@thecreator625 Yes but just because he was indoctriated he sacrificed everything what made Cerberus strong. Without Cerberus sources we couldnt win against reapers.
@@ladyselin35What do you mean "win against the reapers"? Why would you want to destroy them? They are the only thing stopping The Big Crunch from happening, which makes them heroes and good guys. If you were good and smart, like me, you would accept the fact that everybody's death serves a greater purpose and is required in order to allow future generations to live. This is what makes The Reapers such a good character. They use people as fuel to push back The Big Crunch and save everybody's lives. If you choose to destroy the reapers, you're an idiot, because The Big Crunch will destroy the galaxy and nobody will ever be allowed to live again, which is bad. How do you not understand this? It's extremely selfish and idiotic to choose to save yourself at the cost of sacrificing all future generations. The ONLY smart option is to just lay down and sacrifice yourself and let the Reapers harvest us all so that another cycle can begin and life can continue. The Reapers were built by the Leviathans for a good reason. They understood that they needed to sacrifice themselves to save future generations, and I agree with them. A few sacrificial deaths every 50,000 years is a small and reasonable price to pay for all future generations and cycles to continue living forever indefinitely.
Wow...now that's a BADASS picture!!! That's perfect Wallpaper material right there. It'd be cool to add in a Cerberus Dragoon, maybe General Petrovsky or some Rampart Mechs, or some Cerberus military vehicles like we see in the Mars Archive mission or some Cerberus cruisers & dreadnoughts....does Cerberus have dreadnoughts? I know they have a huge fleet but I dunno if they went all out by adding dreadnoughts. Eh either way the pictures as it is still remains the ultimate in badassery.
The Illusive Man was one of the most interesting characters in videogames...then the third game happened, and he went from being an enigmatic anti-hero to a run-of-the-mill villain. Not even the main villain. Such a waste of potential.
The reapers was always the main villains of this trilogy, as they should be. Bioware could have done more with the illusive man, but It was done well enough I think. It was not a "waste".
It wasn't waste. The Illusive Man was still one of the best characters of ME3, and in my opinion it wasn't ruined at all. He wasn't just some generic villain - he had reasons an motives (which I didn't completely agree or disagree with). After all a lot of people have chosen his solution in the end.
Where was the Alliance when the Collectors were attacking human colonies? Where was the Alliance when the Reapers hit Earth? I'll tell you where. They were playing politics with the Salarians and Asari. But Cerberus was there for humanity. Cerberus is our sword and shield. Long live Cerberus!
Solaxe Solaxowski You Mr.Sola! So self righteous! Cerberus and myself wished to only advance and protect humanity! So you judge us by our methods to protect and advance humanity, TO MAKE SURE WE AREN'T SECOND CLASS! And what of you! Only able to see things down what the Alliance says!
In ME2 I supported Cerberus. Even if I disagreed with some things they were doing, they were acting and didn't pretend that threat doesn't exist like Council and Alliance did. However, in ME3 they've just gone too far. I guess that's mainly because TIM got indoctrinated. Still they needed to be stopped.
If Cerberus had learned their lesson in ME1(don't try and subjugate and control anything), and learned from Shepard in ME2 that things work better when you're not 100 percent in control and there's value in cooperating, Sheperd and Cerberus could've had the crucible ready in secret long before the reapers arrived. And after they fired the crucible, Cerberus would be the only military force capable of restoring the mass relays and they could practically take over and rule the galaxy overnight by saving it. And if the Illusive man was really smart, different races and different governments would still be around but only as puppets and everyone would know who saved them and who was really in charge. While not the most moral or ideal situation, Cerberus and the Illusive man really missed out on a very good opportunity to become the most powerful and influential force in the galaxy. While I wasn't a fan of Cerberus because they were responsible for Akuze and many other atrocities toward humanity and other races. However the other races and governments blatantly denied a threat that would destroy their people, and in doing so they broke their oath to protect and serve the galaxy and now it was time for a change if we all were to survive. So if Cerberus had the balls, guts, and grit to do what needs to be done to survive, and if they kept their word for being a sword and shield for humanity, I would gladly turn a blind eye for their crimes. At least we would have stability and security.
I cannot be a "Combat Boss" I have no special powers. Phantoms and Leng have Implants to do those certain things. Why do I need to fight if I have a Army of those characters you see on the thumbnail.
I think the Illusive Man not only brought Shepard back from the dead so Commander could hand him over a Collector Base, but also to accupy Reapers when they would finally come, while leaving Cerberus undisturbed towards their final goal - a way of controlling the Reapers. However TIM knows Shepard must be kept on line in case Commander had too many victories - and krogan-turian alliance would be a huge disadvantage towards Reapers; or Commander was closer to destroying the Reapers, which was never TIM's intention.
Jack Harper got indoctrinated way before that. He was already a reaper drone without knowing it. A sleeper agent. Hes got indoctrinated at same time with Saren. Sovereign took advantage of Saren immediately. Its not a coincidence drastic turn from Illusive Man when reapers arrived. Hes betrayed humanity immediately. Just like Batarians did when theyre indoctrinated by Derelict Reaper ship.
Cerberus had so much potential for ME3. They could have been the anti heroes, maybe even helping you at some points. What did they do instead? Attacked the Citadel. Attacked Sur'Kesh. Tuchanka, Grissom Academy, Mars. Bioware took the heroes of ME2 and turned them into Space Hitler. I honestly felt bad about going up against Cerberus in ME3. I liked them in 2. I gave them the Collector Base, the covert operative intel, all that. Then they repay me by attacking the Citadel and for what? Giving humans one up over everyone else? Come on guys. Cerberus was actually believable in ME2 and I often side almost completely with them. The only ones doing anything about the Collectors while the Alliance stood on the sidelines. Such a wasted opportunity.
But they still have potential after ME3. They weren't destroyed. Only lost main station and head of Cerberus. But I won't believe in that Cerberus can't revive TIM, like they revived Shepard.
I don't think we were supposed to think they were all good. At all. Their introduction in ME1 was unethical scientific experiments and horrific terrorism. Their expansion in the novels show how depraved Cerberus was. They are humanity's ambition if left unchecked, capable of doing good, but just as capable to be a double edged sword. I don't think they were wasted but yes, you do have a point in that they weren't used to their max potential
Nope, Cerberus did some pretty messed up stuff even in ME, and ME2 (rachni experiments, execution of Kahoku, Jack, using civilians for husks experiments, killing team on Akuze). Yes, they did it because of some (more or less) good reasons, but so they did (in their opinion) that stuff in ME3. Their solutions were never exactly nice.
From what I can gather bioware were torn Option 1: show Cerberus as reaper thrills showing even someone as incredible as TIM could be just another thrall under the Reapers Option 2: have Cerberus as an ... illusive 3rd party , an enigmatic wild card They should have chosen a lane , if you think of me3s Cerberus , they make 0 sense , like seriously Why attack the STG with the Female ? Why attack the citadel? Why get the gun on tuchunka? Also given Surkesh and Thessia , the Normandy definitely has a Cerberus leak
It's far fetched but I think the whole idea was they wanted the Reapers to be fully intact for when they gained control of them, so anything which threatened the Reaper forces threatened their agenda.
Everything makes sense with them, because (in a simp way of thinking) all they were indoctrinated and doomed. What doesn't makes any sense, is what Bio did to TIM with the writing🤦♂️, they missed the chance of redeem Cerberus somehow at the end. They chose to throw them as just another "cannon fodder" badies faction🤷♂️.
Wasn't it all to delay or stop Shepard making alliances? Illusive Man wanted to Control reapers, Shepard wanted to destroy them, Illusive man tried to stop Shepard from doing that.
second guy from the right...pointing a gun at his fellow cerberus from his left. 4th guy from the left...also pointing his gun at the fellow cerberus from his left. third guy from the right...pointing a sharp blade at the fellow cerberus behind him...
After having read the novels (Ascension,Retribution etc) i gotta say that Cerberus holds the dishonorable position of the most unethical corporation in all video game franchises.
In the "Cerberus Scientists" Mission, an Atlas will appear when you are going to evacuate. When I was playing, that Atlas was dropped right in front of me. It was really scary.
So much of Cerberus could fit very well into Ashley's ethos. Humanity cannot rely on the Asari, Salarians and Turians. And when Shepard goes to the council, she's proven right every time. Yet she goes ballistic at the idea of supporting anyone but her precious Alliance, who want, more than anything, to be a part of galactic politics.
It could have been an interesting character moment for her. To have her join Cerberus in ME2 due to the pro-humanity stance and end up staying with them in ME3. She could have took the place of Kai Leng and made for a much more compelling adversary to face with the personal attachment yoy may have with her. Then at the end of the game you can choose to kill her or spare her?
@@jackrogers5308 It goes against her arc - she slowly but surely opens up towards aliens, she doesnt close herself. Before Eden prime she never seen aliens but working with Wrex, Liara, Tali and Garrus opened her eyes and she started to see that not all aliens are untrustworthy. In ME3 you even get a negative point during the Citadel II if you killed the council etc. Her joining Cerberus would be regressive. (Although ME3 is such a stupid plot that if she replaced Kai Leng I wouldnt even be surprised.)
@@Dark_Voice yes, but the point is that her arc could have easily have been a forked road. She's an alliance soldier at heart, but will she be an alliance soldier who defects to Cerberus (where Cerberus get 99% of their recruits anyway), or overcomes her prejudice and becomes the Second Human Spectre?
If I made a sequel to Andromeda, one character would be revealed to be a Cerberus operative. However, he re-establishes Cerberus and works to redeem its name, working as an all-human force meant to show the galaxy what humans are made of… but not at the expense of everyone else. They will still be antiheroes, not like Captain America but more like the U.S. Agent.
+Gluty Maximusy The Illusive Man didn't choose to become indoctrinated. The only reason he thought controlling the Reapers was a good idea was because he was indoctrinated.
@@Gondaldin ı think before indoctrination he would still want to control reapers. He just underestimated reapers because nobody knew what they were. After Leviathan youll see its nearly impossible to stop them without crucible. Reaper techs and parts are like leviathans artifacts. Has power to indoctrinate organic minds. Just like the ability Leviathan gives you "Dominate"
Shepard was at the time on Reaper killing spree - no mutual goal. I think he would possibly choose to control Reapers after being allied with geth and EDI. And after that he and Cerberus fought too many times to just become friends.
Don't know if someone has come with something like this before, and i am on a Saturday day off :). After reading some posts here, i was just thinking of an ending, a happy one, where the Illusive man could be standing at the same place as the Catalysis, after killing Anderson, tryning to convince Shep to take his path to control the Reapears, meanwhile the Catalysis doing the same for the Sinthesys, and if you have a really high MS, but based mostly on what you did on ME and ME2, you could convince TIM back that he was wrong, make him remember that he and Cerberus were fighting for the humanity survival since the begining and not to control the Reapers, making him to send his remaining Cerberus troops, as kamikazes to help agains the reapers and also, convince him to use the destroy option, giving Shep time to be saved by Jocker at the very last moment. What do you guys think???. i brought it up this because i still think the way they kill off TIM was just a nonsense failure from Bio, so the way they made Cerberus as the main Villain of the final chapther, instead Habinger. Very sad move...
No, the existing scene where TIM intercepts Anderson right after exiting the beam works well with the tone of the game. This game's theme was that a victory isn't possible without a great deal of sacrifice. And sacrificing Anderson to take TIM out was the penultimate price Shepard had to pay. Even the ending choices were about what you were willing to sacrifice. Destroy - sacrifice all synthetics. Control - sacrifice corporeality and possibly everybody's freedom. Synthesis - sacrifice the variability and diversity of life for homogenization.
They were a formidable force when deployed. They invaded the Citadel and took control of CSEC temporarily, they invaded the Salarian homeworld of Sur'Kesh, beat Shepard to the Mars archive and took the Crucible data before Shepard could himself. Not to mention Sanctum and dozens of other places under their control which affected the galaxy one way or another...don't think Shepard or the Alliance ever found them funny. Cerberus really made it difficult for everyone.
Could have done so much with TIM. Kept me wondering throughout the franchise about his identity. Went so far into imagination of his being the Creator/Designor of the cycle and being the final boss of the game. Turned out to be way less interesting and anticlimactic.
If it was this good created in the game. The way they created the combats in ME1 was just cheesy, it was ridiculous even for the time in 2008. The way they made the combats in ME2 was just awesome, it's the reason why ME2 is probably the best game ever made. But it's such a dissapointment in ME3. You saw ME3 wasn't as good as ME2 even by looking at the cover, too much blue, too cold, whilst ME2 was more orange, way way wormer and more appealing in every way. But nobody would have thought it's so lame and obviously unfinished. I hated fightings in ME3 mostly, for it's so frustrating and stupid. The most annoying thing was when soldiers always throw granates in your cover (they did that in ME2 also, but it were glare granades, and it wasn't this much).
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I see the Cerberus Yearbook photo turned out nicely....
Indeed, sucks that Kai Leng was present though lol
@@catfacesarecool5948 Right? Who invited this loser??
@@catfacesarecool5948 Fuck Kai Leng he's a bitch
Had they been on Shepard's side in ME3, the war would end in a week. With TIM riding a Sovereign-class Reaper under Shepard's control.
He even said youd do better than the most.
The fact that Illusive man was 10 steps ahead of us in beginning of the game. Built those "refuge" camps supplyng cerberus soldiers. While we were away
@@DadaduduxD Come on he said people died in Horizon but its ok because weve saved more than the ones lost. Its statistics for him. Also he was too renegade and also indoctrinated. I mean whod even let himself to be a reaper drone otherwise.
@@ladyselin35 And that right there is why his entire character was undermined. He and Cerberus as a whole are a classical strawman.
@@thecreator625 Yes but just because he was indoctriated he sacrificed everything what made Cerberus strong. Without Cerberus sources we couldnt win against reapers.
@@ladyselin35What do you mean "win against the reapers"? Why would you want to destroy them? They are the only thing stopping The Big Crunch from happening, which makes them heroes and good guys. If you were good and smart, like me, you would accept the fact that everybody's death serves a greater purpose and is required in order to allow future generations to live. This is what makes The Reapers such a good character. They use people as fuel to push back The Big Crunch and save everybody's lives. If you choose to destroy the reapers, you're an idiot, because The Big Crunch will destroy the galaxy and nobody will ever be allowed to live again, which is bad. How do you not understand this? It's extremely selfish and idiotic to choose to save yourself at the cost of sacrificing all future generations. The ONLY smart option is to just lay down and sacrifice yourself and let the Reapers harvest us all so that another cycle can begin and life can continue. The Reapers were built by the Leviathans for a good reason. They understood that they needed to sacrifice themselves to save future generations, and I agree with them. A few sacrificial deaths every 50,000 years is a small and reasonable price to pay for all future generations and cycles to continue living forever indefinitely.
this game is tough and fun on hard difficulty.....i love it.
Nemesis. Centurion. Kai Leng. Atlas Mech. Illusive Man. Assault Trooper. Phantom. Combat Engineer. Guardian.
And Turret.
@@bez_znaczenia That's the real villain of ME3.
@@mathr719 yes lol
@@mathr719 Laughs in overload.
Only one missing and is the Dragon
Wow...now that's a BADASS picture!!! That's perfect Wallpaper material right there. It'd be cool to add in a Cerberus Dragoon, maybe General Petrovsky or some Rampart Mechs, or some Cerberus military vehicles like we see in the Mars Archive mission or some Cerberus cruisers & dreadnoughts....does Cerberus have dreadnoughts? I know they have a huge fleet but I dunno if they went all out by adding dreadnoughts. Eh either way the pictures as it is still remains the ultimate in badassery.
Yes they have dreadnoughts.
I love this song! The Horn Section sound amazing!
4:43 - when you're running late for work, and *NOTHING* will get in your way!
The Illusive Man was one of the most interesting characters in videogames...then the third game happened, and he went from being an enigmatic anti-hero to a run-of-the-mill villain. Not even the main villain. Such a waste of potential.
dattebayo427 Thing is that they were made the main villain of ME3, but with that, Bio underpowered and diluted the real treat, say the Reapers...
Exactly, the fucked them in ME3. I want remade of ME3, or alternative story.
The reapers was always the main villains of this trilogy, as they should be. Bioware could have done more with the illusive man, but It was done well enough I think. It was not a "waste".
dattebayo427 согласен! Призрак был можно сказать великим и загадочным во второй части! У него была харизма.
It wasn't waste. The Illusive Man was still one of the best characters of ME3, and in my opinion it wasn't ruined at all. He wasn't just some generic villain - he had reasons an motives (which I didn't completely agree or disagree with). After all a lot of people have chosen his solution in the end.
Where was the Alliance when the Collectors were attacking human colonies? Where was the Alliance when the Reapers hit Earth? I'll tell you where. They were playing politics with the Salarians and Asari. But Cerberus was there for humanity. Cerberus is our sword and shield. Long live Cerberus!
For humanity? performing experiments on them and killing civilians? yea..
"Judge us not by our methods, but by what we seek to accomplish."
Solaxe Solaxowski You Mr.Sola! So self righteous! Cerberus and myself wished to only advance and protect humanity! So you judge us by our methods to protect and advance humanity, TO MAKE SURE WE AREN'T SECOND CLASS! And what of you! Only able to see things down what the Alliance says!
In ME2 I supported Cerberus. Even if I disagreed with some things they were doing, they were acting and didn't pretend that threat doesn't exist like Council and Alliance did. However, in ME3 they've just gone too far. I guess that's mainly because TIM got indoctrinated. Still they needed to be stopped.
Kordass No they didn't....I wasn't indoctrinated...Oh? MY eyes....Umm...NU LENG GET HIM!
momment when you realize, your greatest ally in the past has become your greatest enemy
Cerberus is like mix of Cobra, Nazis and Hydra.
With a dash of Black Lives Matter. The whole "supremacy of a foreign ethnic group" thing.
Illusive man: do not interfere with my plans Shepard.
Commander shepherd: Go to hell!!!!
Music queues.
Watching a ufo show called the lost evidence they keep playing this makes me miss playing mass effect series
Engineer to Phantom: "Could you please point that thing in another direction!?"
If Cerberus had learned their lesson in ME1(don't try and subjugate and control anything), and learned from Shepard in ME2 that things work better when you're not 100 percent in control and there's value in cooperating, Sheperd and Cerberus could've had the crucible ready in secret long before the reapers arrived.
And after they fired the crucible, Cerberus would be the only military force capable of restoring the mass relays and they could practically take over and rule the galaxy overnight by saving it. And if the Illusive man was really smart, different races and different governments would still be around but only as puppets and everyone would know who saved them and who was really in charge. While not the most moral or ideal situation, Cerberus and the Illusive man really missed out on a very good opportunity to become the most powerful and influential force in the galaxy.
While I wasn't a fan of Cerberus because they were responsible for Akuze and many other atrocities toward humanity and other races. However the other races and governments blatantly denied a threat that would destroy their people, and in doing so they broke their oath to protect and serve the galaxy and now it was time for a change if we all were to survive. So if Cerberus had the balls, guts, and grit to do what needs to be done to survive, and if they kept their word for being a sword and shield for humanity, I would gladly turn a blind eye for their crimes. At least we would have stability and security.
You wanna know what would've made ME3 even more awesome? The Illusive Man being the final boss. Long overdo justice.
I cannot be a "Combat Boss" I have no special powers. Phantoms and Leng have Implants to do those certain things. Why do I need to fight if I have a Army of those characters you see on the thumbnail.
You kinda of do you did make shepard shoot anderson.
Ultimate Gamer (The Dream IS NOT REAL I have no powers, But in the Indoctrination Dream AKA The ME3 Ending Shepard imagined I did.)
*****
If only ME4 would be about the indoctrination theory, many fans would rejoice.
Harbinger shoulda possessed TIM like Saren was at the end of ME1. There's your illusive man final boss.
I think the Illusive Man not only brought Shepard back from the dead so Commander could hand him over a Collector Base, but also to accupy Reapers when they would finally come, while leaving Cerberus undisturbed towards their final goal - a way of controlling the Reapers. However TIM knows Shepard must be kept on line in case Commander had too many victories - and krogan-turian alliance would be a huge disadvantage towards Reapers; or Commander was closer to destroying the Reapers, which was never TIM's intention.
Jack Harper got indoctrinated way before that. He was already a reaper drone without knowing it. A sleeper agent. Hes got indoctrinated at same time with Saren. Sovereign took advantage of Saren immediately. Its not a coincidence drastic turn from Illusive Man when reapers arrived. Hes betrayed humanity immediately. Just like Batarians did when theyre indoctrinated by Derelict Reaper ship.
Cerberus had so much potential for ME3. They could have been the anti heroes, maybe even helping you at some points. What did they do instead? Attacked the Citadel. Attacked Sur'Kesh. Tuchanka, Grissom Academy, Mars. Bioware took the heroes of ME2 and turned them into Space Hitler. I honestly felt bad about going up against Cerberus in ME3. I liked them in 2. I gave them the Collector Base, the covert operative intel, all that. Then they repay me by attacking the Citadel and for what? Giving humans one up over everyone else? Come on guys. Cerberus was actually believable in ME2 and I often side almost completely with them. The only ones doing anything about the Collectors while the Alliance stood on the sidelines. Such a wasted opportunity.
Exactly they fucked them in ME3, my 2 second favorite fraction in game.
But they still have potential after ME3. They weren't destroyed. Only lost main station and head of Cerberus. But I won't believe in that Cerberus can't revive TIM, like they revived Shepard.
I don't think we were supposed to think they were all good. At all. Their introduction in ME1 was unethical scientific experiments and horrific terrorism. Their expansion in the novels show how depraved Cerberus was. They are humanity's ambition if left unchecked, capable of doing good, but just as capable to be a double edged sword. I don't think they were wasted but yes, you do have a point in that they weren't used to their max potential
I hope they come back if BioWare plans to make a sequel in the Milky Way
Nope, Cerberus did some pretty messed up stuff even in ME, and ME2 (rachni experiments, execution of Kahoku, Jack, using civilians for husks experiments, killing team on Akuze). Yes, they did it because of some (more or less) good reasons, but so they did (in their opinion) that stuff in ME3. Their solutions were never exactly nice.
From what I can gather bioware were torn
Option 1: show Cerberus as reaper thrills showing even someone as incredible as TIM could be just another thrall under the Reapers
Option 2: have Cerberus as an ... illusive 3rd party , an enigmatic wild card
They should have chosen a lane , if you think of me3s Cerberus , they make 0 sense , like seriously
Why attack the STG with the Female ? Why attack the citadel? Why get the gun on tuchunka?
Also given Surkesh and Thessia , the Normandy definitely has a Cerberus leak
It's far fetched but I think the whole idea was they wanted the Reapers to be fully intact for when they gained control of them, so anything which threatened the Reaper forces threatened their agenda.
Everything makes sense with them, because (in a simp way of thinking) all they were indoctrinated and doomed. What doesn't makes any sense, is what Bio did to TIM with the writing🤦♂️, they missed the chance of redeem Cerberus somehow at the end. They chose to throw them as just another "cannon fodder" badies faction🤷♂️.
Wasn't it all to delay or stop Shepard making alliances? Illusive Man wanted to Control reapers, Shepard wanted to destroy them, Illusive man tried to stop Shepard from doing that.
second guy from the right...pointing a gun at his fellow cerberus from his left. 4th guy from the left...also pointing his gun at the fellow cerberus from his left. third guy from the right...pointing a sharp blade at the fellow cerberus behind him...
After having read the novels (Ascension,Retribution etc) i gotta say that Cerberus holds the dishonorable position of the most unethical corporation in all video game franchises.
I'd say solid second place. Do not forget that EA is still around.
Ignore the third book. Ascension does enough to show you why Cerberus is downright despicable
Damn fighting Cerberus was a pain in the ass!!! Those Atlas rip you off!!! Fighting Reapers was more easier.
You had a hydra missile in like half of those fights... And as a infiltrator they were really easy even on insanity, so slow and big...
In the "Cerberus Scientists" Mission, an Atlas will appear when you are going to evacuate. When I was playing, that Atlas was dropped right in front of me. It was really scary.
So much of Cerberus could fit very well into Ashley's ethos. Humanity cannot rely on the Asari, Salarians and Turians. And when Shepard goes to the council, she's proven right every time. Yet she goes ballistic at the idea of supporting anyone but her precious Alliance, who want, more than anything, to be a part of galactic politics.
It could have been an interesting character moment for her. To have her join Cerberus in ME2 due to the pro-humanity stance and end up staying with them in ME3. She could have took the place of Kai Leng and made for a much more compelling adversary to face with the personal attachment yoy may have with her. Then at the end of the game you can choose to kill her or spare her?
@@jackrogers5308 then how would it work if you Romanced her in 1 and stayed loyal to her in 2?
She was like this in me1 towards Cerberus and terra firma
@@jackrogers5308 It goes against her arc - she slowly but surely opens up towards aliens, she doesnt close herself. Before Eden prime she never seen aliens but working with Wrex, Liara, Tali and Garrus opened her eyes and she started to see that not all aliens are untrustworthy. In ME3 you even get a negative point during the Citadel II if you killed the council etc. Her joining Cerberus would be regressive. (Although ME3 is such a stupid plot that if she replaced Kai Leng I wouldnt even be surprised.)
@@Dark_Voice yes, but the point is that her arc could have easily have been a forked road. She's an alliance soldier at heart, but will she be an alliance soldier who defects to Cerberus (where Cerberus get 99% of their recruits anyway), or overcomes her prejudice and becomes the Second Human Spectre?
Dr. Eva burned,was shot and assumed cont- I mean, taken over by EDI.
Dragoon, He was lost until some people installed the retribution DLC
Kai leng.... Cerberus bitch....
dragonieprayer you're right...that mo' fuccccccckkkaaa made me swear for hours :P
That was for Thane you son of a bitch.
No gunship this time son of abitch.
The Dragoon showed up late.
And Dr. Eva, and that one geth assassin Legion gets turned into if you sell him.
Imagine a Cerberus controlled Grunt😳
Dr Eva became EDI , Geth Assassin never happened because Shepard never sold it to Cerberus.
@ladyselin35 EDI stole the mobile platform, you mean. Dr. Eva was killed.
Cerberus :yes.
Kai leng : fuck off.
The Cerberus Nemesis has no right to be that sexy😳
Shes a husk.
😍
@ladyselin35 A shapely half-husk, mind.
If I made a sequel to Andromeda, one character would be revealed to be a Cerberus operative.
However, he re-establishes Cerberus and works to redeem its name, working as an all-human force meant to show the galaxy what humans are made of… but not at the expense of everyone else.
They will still be antiheroes, not like Captain America but more like the U.S. Agent.
Isn't that just the Alliance?
This is the Firebase White??????
Honestly, Cerberus was pretty dumb not joining Shepard. They could've controlled the Reapers together, without the need for indoctrination.
+Gluty Maximusy The Illusive Man didn't choose to become indoctrinated. The only reason he thought controlling the Reapers was a good idea was because he was indoctrinated.
@@Gondaldin ı think before indoctrination he would still want to control reapers. He just underestimated reapers because nobody knew what they were. After Leviathan youll see its nearly impossible to stop them without crucible. Reaper techs and parts are like leviathans artifacts. Has power to indoctrinate organic minds. Just like the ability Leviathan gives you "Dominate"
Shepard was at the time on Reaper killing spree - no mutual goal. I think he would possibly choose to control Reapers after being allied with geth and EDI. And after that he and Cerberus fought too many times to just become friends.
Cerberus does the war crime against the alliance in ME3
extend the first part of the song please
Just use an mp3 editor, cut out the earlier part, then loop it.
4,5 min not enough? :)
Ryder62hun nope there should be a 10hour version for first half. :)
here's to hopefully having a cerebus done right model in MEA
Don't know if someone has come with something like this before, and i am on a Saturday day off :). After reading some posts here, i was just thinking of an ending, a happy one, where the Illusive man could be standing at the same place as the Catalysis, after killing Anderson, tryning to convince Shep to take his path to control the Reapears, meanwhile the Catalysis doing the same for the Sinthesys, and if you have a really high MS, but based mostly on what you did on ME and ME2, you could convince TIM back that he was wrong, make him remember that he and Cerberus were fighting for the humanity survival since the begining and not to control the Reapers, making him to send his remaining Cerberus troops, as kamikazes to help agains the reapers and also, convince him to use the destroy option, giving Shep time to be saved by Jocker at the very last moment. What do you guys think???. i brought it up this because i still think the way they kill off TIM was just a nonsense failure from Bio, so the way they made Cerberus as the main Villain of the final chapther, instead Habinger. Very sad move...
No, the existing scene where TIM intercepts Anderson right after exiting the beam works well with the tone of the game. This game's theme was that a victory isn't possible without a great deal of sacrifice. And sacrificing Anderson to take TIM out was the penultimate price Shepard had to pay. Even the ending choices were about what you were willing to sacrifice. Destroy - sacrifice all synthetics. Control - sacrifice corporeality and possibly everybody's freedom. Synthesis - sacrifice the variability and diversity of life for homogenization.
+BrainConqueror80 True, but i cant stand how one of the best characters from ME 2, was just stremed down as a generic villain in ME 3...
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Illusive Man's forces look so ridiculous, just look at them!
Hemmo Laurell Your reply made me crack up xD
In numbers, they might be formidable. But they're still so funny!
They were a formidable force when deployed. They invaded the Citadel and took control of CSEC temporarily, they invaded the Salarian homeworld of Sur'Kesh, beat Shepard to the Mars archive and took the Crucible data before Shepard could himself. Not to mention Sanctum and dozens of other places under their control which affected the galaxy one way or another...don't think Shepard or the Alliance ever found them funny. Cerberus really made it difficult for everyone.
Hemmo Laurell Ahem, the bomb was planted by the Turians, in fact.
Onemaster Yeah Cerberus seized control over it, granting it theirs.
Cayden1986 indeed
Yeah except they left out the Dragoon. Poor Dragoon :(
tell me about the cerberus
For Humanity!
me and the boys on our way to be space racist
TAKE COVER!!!!!!!!!!
You forgot about the dragoons
They left out Dr. Eva as well.
“Humanity First...”
Could have done so much with TIM. Kept me wondering throughout the franchise about his identity. Went so far into imagination of his being the Creator/Designor of the cycle and being the final boss of the game.
Turned out to be way less interesting and anticlimactic.
When Humanity stops racism own kind and focuses on the same goal.
Bad ass picture! Oh... and 1st!!! HAHA
If it was this good created in the game.
The way they created the combats in ME1 was just cheesy, it was ridiculous even for the time in 2008. The way they made the combats in ME2 was just awesome, it's the reason why ME2 is probably the best game ever made. But it's such a dissapointment in ME3.
You saw ME3 wasn't as good as ME2 even by looking at the cover, too much blue, too cold, whilst ME2 was more orange, way way wormer and more appealing in every way. But nobody would have thought it's so lame and obviously unfinished. I hated fightings in ME3 mostly, for it's so frustrating and stupid. The most annoying thing was when soldiers always throw granates in your cover (they did that in ME2 also, but it were glare granades, and it wasn't this much).
Grenades are a good thing. Without em, you could cover camp forever
Cerberus FOREVER!