I'm glad that Jago has finally had the decency to apologise for the overcrowding at Covent Garden! I shall stop writing all those letters to my MP about him.
@@RogueWJL I’d agree with the Dante’s Inferno reference. The amount of times I’ve been there in summer and the thing has broken down in a tunnel at CG. There were impromptu wet T-shirt contests last summer…
The actual four kinds of Underground station: - True Underground - Underground but it's overground - Why is a station called that? - Bank Ah yes, Olympia with a slab of Overground with a touch of an Underground shuttle...truly a creative Gordon Ramsay recipe
For Why is a station called that? That would be: Angel Cockfosters (forever the best station name anywhere in the world) Elephant and Castle Battersea Power Station Station (ok, that's just funny) Burnt Oak Manor House Old Street (It's London, almost everything is an old street) Seven Sisters (I've seen the video, I know it's supposed to be for 7 trees. Still strange) Swiss Cottage Tooting Bec Tooting Broadway I'm American, honestly half of the station names sound funny to my ears.
And here I was hoping gateway stations would be the ones where you use them once just to see what it's like, and before you know it you're using the Underground every day, you can't stop, it's only a matter of time before you get into ever more _hardcore_ forms of public transport...
I started by going to King's Cross and next thing I knew I was visiting all 4 Heathrows in the same day. Luckily, my partner helped me go cold turkey and I'm fine again now (unless anyone mentions Platform 9 3/4).
Dear Jago! As a non-native English speaker (born, raised and living in Berlin) with a decade long affiliation to my local railroads, I very much enjoy your playful and meticulous use of your language! Each video of yours not only provides interesting tidbits of your amazing Subway system, but also makes me appreciate your native tongue even more, hoping to improve my own skills in using it. Since I experienced the clogged Covent Garden station as a tourist myself exactly six years ago, I cordially accept your apologies. It's about time for a visit once again - I heard something about a certain new purple line across your city... Cheers from Berlin, Markus
I came for the Underground, I keep coming back for the writing. Which has become by now something I look forward to enjoying every time I see a notification from your channel.
@@robertaries2974 The beauty of a non officially standardised language like French and many European ones. Word usage goes in and out of fashion, more out than back in and in location used. New ones and phrases appear in dictionaries annually (OED and Collin's). 18th century English is very different to 21st, even 20th century was different to now.
Jago's 4 groups: 1. The Tube 2. Transport & infrastructure 3. Because I find it interesting, OKAY? 4. It's my bloody channel, if you don't like it, tough!
No, the idea of categorising stations had never occurred to me despite commuting on the tube for a dunnamany years. But once you point it out it makes a lot of sense, a very pragmatic approach. And, as you say, delightfully nerdy!
I had no idea that Underground stations were categorised in this way. My categories are 1. Home, with 3 nice pubs nearby 2. Work, with 2 nice pubs nearby 3. Interesting, complicated and historical, with a pub across the road 4. Complicated but interesting. Don't know about pubs. p.s. I'm not going to tell you what to do if the platform is busy, you'll all do it.
LOVED the cameo in the latest Jay Foreman video man! (and undercover in the previous one) You playing Harry Beck could not have been a cooler and more perfect way to do a face reveal! There's been some cool and special channel crossovers over the years but that just about takes the cake I reckon!
I think that Mornington Crescent should be a terminal station. All you have to do is mention the name of the station and it is literally game over. All regular BBC Radio 4 listeners will agree, I'm sure. :)
Well I gotta admit, that was a genius way to do a face reveal. On a different channel, and 2 MONTHS AGO, without anyone knowing. Well done mate, well done!
As someone who recently climbed the 15 floor equivalent emergency staircase at convent garden because of the overcrowding at the lifts, this was very validating, and your apology is so well-received.
Having seen a documentary about managing an Underground station, I think one should mention that "Destination" stations may often be the most difficult to manage, because of the passengers. Just one drunk passenger can cause a major disruption, or even a tragedy. Moreover, a "Destination" station may be busy until the last train leaves, with the drunkest passengers boarding that last train; perhaps after they were just sick on the platform. A "Gateway" station, on the other hand, may have many passengers that are clueless, but they will be less likely to start fights or intentionally violate safety rules.
I didn't know about these categories, but I did know about National Rail stations being categorised: A - National hub B - Regional interchange C - Important feeder - C1 - City or busy junction - C2 - Other busy railhead D - Medium staffed E - Small staffed F - Small unstaffed - F1 - Over 100,000 journeys per annum - F2 - Others
@@Firitesen This might be because Clapham Junction is dominated by commuter movements from London suburbs and SE England, while Willesden Junction may see more passengers from further-flung parts because of proximity to the West Coast Main Line.
DB in Germany uses a seven-tier system (Category 1 through 7), which governs pricing for TOCs using the station. I'd assume any infrastructure operator over a certain size has a system like this.
@@Firitesen Because... Clapham Junction is Basically all London Regional Or Southern Region Services. WJ has low level and high level and poss hangover from the main line WJ that no one has noticed was demolished years ago
Interesting. I think one of the fascinating elements of a network like the Underground is how it's actually run. So much going on, so little margin for error. Years ago when I lived in Central London Covent Garden was my closest stop. I often took the Picadilly line to Holborn to avoid the lifts and the crowds at Covent Garden.
None of this surprises me. I guess it would be about staffing levels. I am in Australia and a wheelchair user. I recently went to Melbourne and decided to try out the train system. I started in the suburbs and went to the city. In the suburbs there was no station staff on the platforms, but once I got to the city, no staff on the platforms, but once I go to the surface there was plenty of staff that actually came up to me and offered any assistance I needed. finishing my trip, I went back to the platform and went to that raised up section of platform at the front of the train. not only did this make boarding easier, but it also alerted the driver that a wheelchair user was onboard, they came out and asked where I was getting off, i told them my destination and when we arrived, they got out and put in place a ramp for me to get off
Never will have a chance to put to good use all the knowledge I gain over the year about the UK train and Underground systems, yet I enjoy this videos a lot!
I assume Waterloo WAS classed as a Gateway, when it was an international / Eurostar station, but stopped being considered a Gateway once those services were moved to St Pancras International
That seems logical. From the list (link kindly provided by other commenters), the only Gateway stations are Heathrow T23, Paddington, Kings Cross St Pancras, Liverpool Street, Victoria and Euston. The first 5 get airport traffic with overseas visitors, KX of course gets Eurostar. I initially thought Victoria and Liv St were throwbacks to the days of boat trains before remembering Gatwick/Stansted. As for Euston, maybe they are anticipating Scottish independence?
@@iankemp1131 Euston is probably necessitated by it being a terminus of the West Coast Mainline. Daytime services to/from Scotland mainly run from Kings Cross. But perhaps Euston gets the same regard, because it’s the terminus for the Caledonian Sleeper service? Victoria of course serves the coach station as well, which is a hub for both domestic and international travel. I expect all of them may be regarded as Gateways due to very early and late times that they can be busy, because they’re all connections for long distance departures and arrivals?
@@NineWorldsFromDrew Euston services North Wales, the North West, Scotland and the Birmingham area. That’s an awful lot of this country. It’s lines run at capacity every day from early to late. HS2 will start from Euston, ultimately replacing many longer distance services, freeing up currently missing capacity for West Midlands based customers.
Waterloo services have been progressively truncated over the years. Long distance services are now restricted to Weymouth and a unreliable Exeter service. The longest distance commuters into Waterloo are (with minor exceptions) from Poole and Shanklin. So Waterloo sees a lot of repeat traffic and thus there’s no dramatic call for Q combining and pedroute assistance except at busy optional travel times.
Jago! Absolutely loved your cameo in Jay's video! Possibly the sneakiest and best face reveal of all time. You smashed it too. Keep up the good work sir. You are the face reveal to my RUclips algorithm.
Completely agree, all big hitter metro systems distinguish themselves by their nearly endless variety which makes using them such a pleasure. Taking London and Berlin, they consist of: 1. Full size railway services (Berlin RB, RE; London SWR, Thameslink); 2. Urban Railways (Berlin S-Bahn, London Subsurface Underground); 3. Underground railways (Berlin, U-Bahn, London the Tube); 4. Light Rail (Berlin, Trams, London DLR, Trams).
Lemme see. Surface, shallow, deep bore, and the forbidden chthonic stations below the Hodgson-Wheatley Discontinuity (which we prefer not to talk about). ... Oh, we're talking about volume of usage? Disregard that. I said nothing.
It's morning, there's a bit of time for breakfast - bacon is frying in the pan, croissants in the oven - and a new Jago video to watch. Bliss! Thank you for all your videos.
I had no idea. Thank you Jago; one of your best and most informative/interesting from my point of view. I'll bet there's a zone/financial overlay template to go with these categories and age and usage stats. The socioeconomic aspects of mass transit are just as fascinating as the pure history and geography of the system. Keep 'em coming please.
As a frost bitten Canuck tourist we once went to the German Christmas Festival in Hyde Park,...it was a nice event. It soon however, started to rain. Not a pounding blistering horizontal rain, just a sprinkle, not bad at all. But who knew that Brits don't think much of rain? My friends from Ashford, Kent just weren't having it (they all had big hair while I have none) so we, along with at least a million other Brits, all bolted for the Piccadilly Line, I have never in my life been sardined into a small can like that! It was like a rolling mosh pit! Being one of the last ones onto the train I was barely in the doors when they started to close,...not being a short bloke I about lost my head in those murderous doors! Who thinks making doors perfect for severing the noggin off all but the vertically challenged is a good idea?! I spent the entire ride hunched over like Quasimodo while praying the doors of death wouldn't burst open and eject me onto the electrified rail!!! I was well chuffed to have survived the short trip to Covent Garden, thinking the trauma was behind us, we disembarked the grope-a-thon that the train feels like, happy to be near our destination,.....only to realise the full million that boarded the train at Hyde park along with the million that was on the train already had also disembarked. Well,... The Covent Garden station was down to just one elevator so the platform was just slightly less jam packed than the train, with slightly damp Londoners all waiting patiently for the elevator. Someone near us spotted the stairway!! BOO YA I thought!! A short way out!!,...Who doesn't mind a few stairs! Off we went happy to be near to the fresh air, at first I was enjoying the spiral stairway and the history of it all.....however, after about forty or so spirals of pain and suffering we spotted a sign that said,...congratulations,...you are half way up to the street! HALF WAY!! Good lord, No wonder it was such a good bomb shelter during the bombing of London! That's certainly where I would go! I understand The Covent Garden station has undergone a major renovation and the elevators are in good nick now and much faster that before. The last time I was at Covent Garden the station was closed. I look forward to giving the station another chance, while hoping to avoid the old stair master of agony, on my next visit! All kidding aside,....I have been to that station many times and even the old elevators did a good job,...for the most part! That evening in December, in my experience, was a bit of an extenuating circumstance! The destination of Covent Garden is well worth journey!! Where else can you see a guy juggling screaming chain saws while riding a five meter high unicycle?
Yes ... I think the categories that Jago refers to must be only in regard to the people entering or leaving the station; people changing lines, or to/from mainline rail or Overground don't count. Whitechapel confuses me: since the Eliz.line is encouraging people to change there, TfL must be aware of it as a transfer point - yet they have re-categorised it as a 'destination'! Why not have a category for stations that are principally or to a considerable extent 'Interchanges'? Perhaps the whole analysing thing is more about the mental quirks of the people who end up in jobs like transport organising - maybe there's scope for a video about other things they do more generally
I was thinking that there would be a specific category for interchange or even major interchange as they would need to be managed completely differently, particularly for staffing, passenger information and passenger safety
@@ricktownend9144 It feels like TfL's "destination" category isn't what we'd think of as the English meaning. For example, if it includes Waterloo, most people go there to interchange on to National Rail. Same with Whitechapel, as you say. So it seems to be jargon for "heavily used throughout the day and busier than a metro".
If Network Rail & TOC:s have a similar system. Bicester's stations, Village & North, would be classed as "Destinations", as should Covent Garden using the same rationale.
Just the ( electronic now at Wellington ) ticket before my 5 min drive to school on this sunny Monday morning. Heard a steam locomotive whistle yesterday morning on the single track main line. ..excursion to and from somewhere. ..says LeviNZ
When i worked at Victoria stations were ‘grouped’ as mentioned, at the time (15 years ago) we were in a group of 2 with Warren Street so i had to work at both fyi.
TfL categorises its stations differently for statistics as well. There are a total of 7 categories. Airport, City, Inner Suburb, Outer Suburb, Shopping, Terminus, and Tourist.
Thats quite interesting and if I had ever thought about it, logical. But I'm as oblivious as the next content producer. I've always loved the tube for not being homogenised. It wears its history very visibily and thats part of its charm. As long as theres a roundal to indicate where a station is. Then inside and below ground are where the changes happen. Its also very Tardis like. Great video.
Thanks Jago - I was thinking that there was some sort of categorisation for the stations on the London Underground. It's really interesting hearing about the categories. 👏🏾
Keep them coming Jago. I find your videos informative, entertaining, relaxing, I and a friend used to get a ticket called a 'Red bus rover' from Hounslow East Station for 5 bob (25p) an we could spend all day exploring the Underground. So watching your videos from our new home of Greece is very therapeutic. More power to your elbow (or your video camera) 😊
I doubt your Bus Ticket would take you on the underground. As I only travelled by bus I never knew there was a weekend day ticket that covered Tube and Bus, I forget the fare and cannot recall the adverts from publications. I think they started in 1952 with the festival of London exhibition
I think the Red Rovers were for red buses only. There was a ticket called a Twin Rover which gave you a day's travel on buses or underground. I actually used one twice - it got me to places like Woodford, West Ruislip and Woolwich for only 5 bob in 1966 and 1967.
When I worked for the company as a Station Supervisor, the stations were categorised as the type of supervising it needed but with a similar rationale. I was an SS1, which was the highest level and that was stations like Waterloo, Kings Cross, Earls Court etc and also Finsbury Park. SS2 was smaller yet still busy stations such as Covent Garden, Southwark, Manor House, etc. SSMF (multi functional) was largely what is now the local stations. The Supervisors at these places usually ran them on their own and (when they existed) ran the ticket office with maybe one or two station assistants. These included stations like Wimbledon Park and Southfields. There was an SS3 category, but that applied to the stations with an LU presence but not owned by them, such as Ealing Broadway and Wimbledon.
The stations have been graded differently for Donkey's years but this newest system was brought in some years ago as a way to cut jobs and costs by abolishing all the old grades of station staff and bringing in new grades with new titles. 🤬 I like many others were given a choice of remaining in my current grade of Supervisor and take a large pay cut or become a manager and not get any extra pay despite having much more work and responsibilities 🤨 They then "promoted" people into the new grade (my old grade) and paid them a lot less than I used to get paid 🤬 Funnily enough these changes didn't affect the senior management at all 🤨 strange that. ( Travel tip don't use Covent Garden always use Leicester Square it's 3 or 4 minutes walk)
I've never been to London but the more Jago I watch, the more prepared I will be for when I do eventually get a chance to visit! Fascinating as always!
The four types of Melbourne station: - Where you find people with knives - sport like at the MCG which a lot of you should have heard of - Tram connections - And everything else
Very interesting, I didn't know but it (mostly) makes perfect sense. A few questions to clarify. Where does Stratford sit with these categories, likewise Canning Town, and all DLR stations. Does City Airport station fit? Also, you seperate out London Overground, why, what makes these stations different? Thanks, and keep posting, always brightens up my day to see your videos. (Hopefully Tyne & Wear Metro will be on agenda with the new trains, and Liverpool with it's underground Merseyrail stations too)
The London Underground is a largely self-contained system running on it's own tracks and serving it's own stations. The overground is a collection of existing main line suburban services which have been given a corporate identity and upgraded frequencies and rolling stock to make them more like a metro service from the passengers' perspective but they operate on the complex web of mainline tracks around the capital which are shared with many other trains including freights. Most overground stations are also served by other operators. Although TfL operate both underground and overground, the overground stations are controlled by Network Rail.
Interesting, I always considered Bayswater a destination station, particularly on my commute home after a busy day in the office, however, it would appear LU do not share this view.
This ‘categorising’ is something that accountants will no doubt have developed from a funding and organisation perspective. Having working in school finance for the last 25 years something similar was done with schools which principally drove its funding and reflectively allowed benchmarking across the same categories. I would guess Tesco’s and Sainsbury’s, etc., do the same. But this reminds me of something I’ve heard said a few times, ‘the railways were better when they were run by railway people and not accountants!’
The Four Kinds of Underground Station: - weird church-like bench on the platform; - has a secret platform behind a door; - South Eastern and the Chatham & Dover fought over it; - Ban'Cannonument.
Yes, I learnt a little about these categories during the round of ticket office closures a few years back. Somewhere I read that Destination stations were a category and would be handled differently. Can't remember where I read that, and the details were scant. So your video was interesting.
i found this very interesting. I was not aware of categories for underground stations. It makes sense to a point, but as you said, there are bound to be some customisation of individual stations.
The only Gateway stations are Heathrow T23, Paddington, Kings Cross St Pancras, Liverpool Street, Victoria and Euston (thanks to other commenters for the link). The first 5 get airport traffic with overseas visitors, KX of course gets Eurostar. I initially thought Victoria and Liv St were throwbacks to the days of boat trains before remembering Gatwick/Stansted. As for Euston, maybe they are anticipating Scottish independence? Yes, it gets long-distance trains as do Paddington and KX, but Waterloo gets services from as far as Exeter and is Britain's busiest station, yet is only a Destination.
In terms of what the categorisation is for, it doesn't matter whether the people arriving are coming from overseas or not. Someone arriving from Ipswich might need as much help as someone from Italy. Whereas the commuters of Waterloo don't.
@@MattiLiljaniemi But Waterloo is absolutely not just commuters. It carries traffic from up to 150 miles away (Exeter, Weymouth, Bournemouth, Southampton, Portsmouth) - considerably further than Ipswich - plus all the suburbs. The Southern Railway built its profitability on encouraging off-peak leisure traffic to fill the gaps and that has continued to this day. That's why it's Britain's busiest station. Go to Waterloo at any time during the day and it's always busy. So if the "Ipswich factor" applied, it would strengthen the case for Waterloo being a Gateway station. It still seems perverse to me that it isn't.
When I saw the title for this video, my first guess was that the 4 categories were: Sub surface line on the surface (District and Metropolitan) Sub surface line below surface Deep level line on the surface Deep level line below surface Two types of trains/tunnels, and then either above ground or below ground stations.
Mister Hazzard, I do love your videos but I do usually am left wondering when I try and go on to read (and see, in the case of maps) your sources. Keep up the entertaining and quite informative videos!
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I'm glad that Jago has finally had the decency to apologise for the overcrowding at Covent Garden! I shall stop writing all those letters to my MP about him.
Although continue to write about the *clearly* incorrect pronouncing of HOL-born *LOL*
Nothing to do with immigration.......
Also known as Dante's Inferno....or is that the Central Line at Tottenham Court Road......?
@@RogueWJL I’d agree with the Dante’s Inferno reference. The amount of times I’ve been there in summer and the thing has broken down in a tunnel at CG. There were impromptu wet T-shirt contests last summer…
"in which case"... rather than apologising i thought he was going to say "why the hell didn't you get off at Leicester square???"
The actual four kinds of Underground station:
- True Underground
- Underground but it's overground
- Why is a station called that?
- Bank
Ah yes, Olympia with a slab of Overground with a touch of an Underground shuttle...truly a creative Gordon Ramsay recipe
- Bank but it's called Monument
I take Olympia fits into the unofficial fifth category all on its own.
Don’t forget overground that’s actually underground
For Why is a station called that?
That would be:
Angel
Cockfosters (forever the best station name anywhere in the world)
Elephant and Castle
Battersea Power Station Station (ok, that's just funny)
Burnt Oak
Manor House
Old Street (It's London, almost everything is an old street)
Seven Sisters (I've seen the video, I know it's supposed to be for 7 trees. Still strange)
Swiss Cottage
Tooting Bec
Tooting Broadway
I'm American, honestly half of the station names sound funny to my ears.
Someone I know caught a nasty case of Cockfosters following a midnight fling.
And here I was hoping gateway stations would be the ones where you use them once just to see what it's like, and before you know it you're using the Underground every day, you can't stop, it's only a matter of time before you get into ever more _hardcore_ forms of public transport...
Jay Foreman was my gateway station to Geoff Marshall who was my gateway station to Jago Hazzard
Try to make me go to rehab? No no no!
@@rjjcms1 Which line is that on?
@@paulsengupta971 The white line 😉
On the Necropolis Railway, ALL stations were terminal.
Gateway stations are notorious for getting people hooked on harder stations.
I started by going to King's Cross and next thing I knew I was visiting all 4 Heathrows in the same day. Luckily, my partner helped me go cold turkey and I'm fine again now (unless anyone mentions Platform 9 3/4).
TBF, I think I've probably sniffed more lines in the bathrooms of Kings Cross than any other station in the UK.
The four kinds of Jago Hazzard:
- Genius comedian
- Trams
- Why?
- Charles Yerkes
And these kinds are exactly why we continue to watch. Love you
And the oft maligned, untalked abput fifth kind: Lazar Kaganovich . . . . More of which later.
@@oriel9347 Nuclear Missile Tube Trains
And Edward Watkin vs James Staats Forbes
No, Harry Beck.
You forgot. .erudition.
For some reason this channel is as relaxing as hearing rain.
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I wouldn't say that; I find rain unnerving.
If you find rain relaxing and lived where I live, you would have been relaxed to the point of unconsciousness yesterday.
@@Desmaad Everyone hears things differently :)
@@jerribee1 it must be very lovely isn’t it?😂
"You are the ungrateful corporation to my lifetime of loyal service"
3:16 Somehow, I feel that Northern Line sign probably doesn’t meet corporate branding guidelines.
Spades , Hearts , Diamonds and Clubs, with a couple of Jokers.
Dear Jago! As a non-native English speaker (born, raised and living in Berlin) with a decade long affiliation to my local railroads, I very much enjoy your playful and meticulous use of your language! Each video of yours not only provides interesting tidbits of your amazing Subway system, but also makes me appreciate your native tongue even more, hoping to improve my own skills in using it. Since I experienced the clogged Covent Garden station as a tourist myself exactly six years ago, I cordially accept your apologies. It's about time for a visit once again - I heard something about a certain new purple line across your city...
Cheers from Berlin,
Markus
Perhaps Jago would like to visit the Berlin U-Bahn, it certainly has tales to tell
I came for the Underground, I keep coming back for the writing. Which has become by now something I look forward to enjoying every time I see a notification from your channel.
Your English is superb. I love the way you've incorporated uncommon words.
Grüße aus neuseeland
@@robertaries2974 The beauty of a non officially standardised language like French and many European ones. Word usage goes in and out of fashion, more out than back in and in location used. New ones and phrases appear in dictionaries annually (OED and Collin's). 18th century English is very different to 21st, even 20th century was different to now.
Jago's 4 groups:
1. The Tube
2. Transport & infrastructure
3. Because I find it interesting, OKAY?
4. It's my bloody channel, if you don't like it, tough!
Theres also an unofficial 5th group which is "Driven by viewers" which can fit into any of the aforementioned categories ;-))
Realising you were Harry Beck has raised the quality of my day
No, the idea of categorising stations had never occurred to me despite commuting on the tube for a dunnamany years. But once you point it out it makes a lot of sense, a very pragmatic approach. And, as you say, delightfully nerdy!
I had no idea that Underground stations were categorised in this way. My categories are
1. Home, with 3 nice pubs nearby
2. Work, with 2 nice pubs nearby
3. Interesting, complicated and historical, with a pub across the road
4. Complicated but interesting. Don't know about pubs.
p.s. I'm not going to tell you what to do if the platform is busy, you'll all do it.
Waterloo probably got reclassified from 'Gateway' when Eurostar withdrew from there.
I never knew Harry Beck made RUclips videos!!
Me nei- Oh, right!
" The Majority of Passengers will know where they are going and what they are doing". Well thats deep level philosophy
LOVED the cameo in the latest Jay Foreman video man! (and undercover in the previous one) You playing Harry Beck could not have been a cooler and more perfect way to do a face reveal! There's been some cool and special channel crossovers over the years but that just about takes the cake I reckon!
I think that Mornington Crescent should be a terminal station. All you have to do is mention the name of the station and it is literally game over. All regular BBC Radio 4 listeners will agree, I'm sure. :)
You can't just jump to M.C. like that, you'll be in nip!
@@truckerallikatuk Depends on which edition of Old Stowe's rules you're using. You could end up in the Dollis Hill loop.
Autocorrect strikes again? 🤪
@@andrewgwilliam4831 Wow, I had to read _everything_ above your reply twice before noticing the missing "-ton". Isn't the human brain weird?
@@kgbgb3663 I only noticed it after re-reading it after reading the replies! The human brain is indeed a strange thing...
Hello Harry Beck ;)
Well I gotta admit, that was a genius way to do a face reveal. On a different channel, and 2 MONTHS AGO, without anyone knowing. Well done mate, well done!
Why thank you!
As someone who recently climbed the 15 floor equivalent emergency staircase at convent garden because of the overcrowding at the lifts, this was very validating, and your apology is so well-received.
I've done that myself on occasion, hard work
Having seen a documentary about managing an Underground station, I think one should mention that "Destination" stations may often be the most difficult to manage, because of the passengers. Just one drunk passenger can cause a major disruption, or even a tragedy. Moreover, a "Destination" station may be busy until the last train leaves, with the drunkest passengers boarding that last train; perhaps after they were just sick on the platform. A "Gateway" station, on the other hand, may have many passengers that are clueless, but they will be less likely to start fights or intentionally violate safety rules.
I didn't know about these categories, but I did know about National Rail stations being categorised:
A - National hub
B - Regional interchange
C - Important feeder
- C1 - City or busy junction
- C2 - Other busy railhead
D - Medium staffed
E - Small staffed
F - Small unstaffed
- F1 - Over 100,000 journeys per annum
- F2 - Others
These categories I definitely do like with 1 exception:
Willesden Junction being in A and Clapham Junction being in B
Never made sense
@@Firitesen Which categories would you put them in?
@@Firitesen This might be because Clapham Junction is dominated by commuter movements from London suburbs and SE England, while Willesden Junction may see more passengers from further-flung parts because of proximity to the West Coast Main Line.
DB in Germany uses a seven-tier system (Category 1 through 7), which governs pricing for TOCs using the station. I'd assume any infrastructure operator over a certain size has a system like this.
@@Firitesen Because... Clapham Junction is Basically all London Regional Or Southern Region Services. WJ has low level and high level and poss hangover from the main line WJ that no one has noticed was demolished years ago
Get off the tube at Leicester Square and walk to Covent Garden. It's quicker (generally) and means you don't get involved in the crushes there.
I like this video because of three of my favorite things are here
1. Train and Station
2. London
3. Categorisation
Thank you to our esteemed gateway to more nerdy information!
I always aim to please!
@@JagoHazzard and how you succeed!
Interesting. I think one of the fascinating elements of a network like the Underground is how it's actually run. So much going on, so little margin for error.
Years ago when I lived in Central London Covent Garden was my closest stop. I often took the Picadilly line to Holborn to avoid the lifts and the crowds at Covent Garden.
Gateway stations. ahh, taken over by the much missed Somerfield
It's one of those things that are very obvious once you hear about them, but before that you generally just never really consider it.
Loved your appearance on Jay's channel Jago
None of this surprises me. I guess it would be about staffing levels. I am in Australia and a wheelchair user. I recently went to Melbourne and decided to try out the train system. I started in the suburbs and went to the city. In the suburbs there was no station staff on the platforms, but once I got to the city, no staff on the platforms, but once I go to the surface there was plenty of staff that actually came up to me and offered any assistance I needed. finishing my trip, I went back to the platform and went to that raised up section of platform at the front of the train. not only did this make boarding easier, but it also alerted the driver that a wheelchair user was onboard, they came out and asked where I was getting off, i told them my destination and when we arrived, they got out and put in place a ramp for me to get off
Yet another fantastic presentation Jago! 👍😎
Sunday Lunchtime Viewing sorted!
Thanks Mr H.
Never will have a chance to put to good use all the knowledge I gain over the year about the UK train and Underground systems, yet I enjoy this videos a lot!
I assume Waterloo WAS classed as a Gateway, when it was an international / Eurostar station, but stopped being considered a Gateway once those services were moved to St Pancras International
That seems logical. From the list (link kindly provided by other commenters), the only Gateway stations are Heathrow T23, Paddington, Kings Cross St Pancras, Liverpool Street, Victoria and Euston. The first 5 get airport traffic with overseas visitors, KX of course gets Eurostar. I initially thought Victoria and Liv St were throwbacks to the days of boat trains before remembering Gatwick/Stansted. As for Euston, maybe they are anticipating Scottish independence?
@@iankemp1131 Euston is probably necessitated by it being a terminus of the West Coast Mainline. Daytime services to/from Scotland mainly run from Kings Cross. But perhaps Euston gets the same regard, because it’s the terminus for the Caledonian Sleeper service?
Victoria of course serves the coach station as well, which is a hub for both domestic and international travel.
I expect all of them may be regarded as Gateways due to very early and late times that they can be busy, because they’re all connections for long distance departures and arrivals?
@@NineWorldsFromDrew Euston services North Wales, the North West, Scotland and the Birmingham area. That’s an awful lot of this country. It’s lines run at capacity every day from early to late. HS2 will start from Euston, ultimately replacing many longer distance services, freeing up currently missing capacity for West Midlands based customers.
Waterloo services have been progressively truncated over the years. Long distance services are now restricted to Weymouth and a unreliable Exeter service. The longest distance commuters into Waterloo are (with minor exceptions) from Poole and Shanklin. So Waterloo sees a lot of repeat traffic and thus there’s no dramatic call for Q combining and pedroute assistance except at busy optional travel times.
Not quite, as these categories were only actually “invented” in 2013 as part of the reorganisation of stations.
Jago! Absolutely loved your cameo in Jay's video! Possibly the sneakiest and best face reveal of all time. You smashed it too. Keep up the good work sir. You are the face reveal to my RUclips algorithm.
Oooo go on then, spill the beans!! Where is this wonderful video of which you speaketh? Does the face match the voice, that's what I'm wondering!!
Was he Harry Beck?
@@stepheneyles2198 ruclips.net/video/jaEhvWXmLyk/видео.html
Jago is playing Harry Beck and appears to be heavily disguised.
@@tr3ncf he was.
Completely agree, all big hitter metro systems distinguish themselves by their nearly endless variety which makes using them such a pleasure. Taking London and Berlin, they consist of: 1. Full size railway services (Berlin RB, RE; London SWR, Thameslink); 2. Urban Railways (Berlin S-Bahn, London Subsurface Underground); 3. Underground railways (Berlin, U-Bahn, London the Tube); 4. Light Rail (Berlin, Trams, London DLR, Trams).
To viewers of yours and the likes of Geoff Marshall's channels, they're ALL potential 'Destination' stations!
Someone star as Harry Beck in a Jay Foreman video eh Jago?
Lemme see. Surface, shallow, deep bore, and the forbidden chthonic stations below the Hodgson-Wheatley Discontinuity (which we prefer not to talk about). ... Oh, we're talking about volume of usage? Disregard that. I said nothing.
I didn't know about it, but it does make a lot of sense once you realise what and why. Thanks for another great explainer.
Oh this is fascinating! Really interesting video Jago!
For all Peter Sellers' fans I'm hoping Balham is a gateway (to the South)
It's morning, there's a bit of time for breakfast - bacon is frying in the pan, croissants in the oven - and a new Jago video to watch. Bliss!
Thank you for all your videos.
Love you videos, Jago. They're very informative and, as I live a abroad, I also find the sights and sounds of the stations and trains soothing.
I had no idea. Thank you Jago; one of your best and most informative/interesting from my point of view. I'll bet there's a zone/financial overlay template to go with these categories and age and usage stats. The socioeconomic aspects of mass transit are just as fascinating as the pure history and geography of the system. Keep 'em coming please.
As a frost bitten Canuck tourist we once went to the German Christmas Festival in Hyde Park,...it was a nice event. It soon however, started to rain. Not a pounding blistering horizontal rain, just a sprinkle, not bad at all. But who knew that Brits don't think much of rain? My friends from Ashford, Kent just weren't having it (they all had big hair while I have none) so we, along with at least a million other Brits, all bolted for the Piccadilly Line, I have never in my life been sardined into a small can like that! It was like a rolling mosh pit! Being one of the last ones onto the train I was barely in the doors when they started to close,...not being a short bloke I about lost my head in those murderous doors! Who thinks making doors perfect for severing the noggin off all but the vertically challenged is a good idea?! I spent the entire ride hunched over like Quasimodo while praying the doors of death wouldn't burst open and eject me onto the electrified rail!!!
I was well chuffed to have survived the short trip to Covent Garden, thinking the trauma was behind us, we disembarked the grope-a-thon that the train feels like, happy to be near our destination,.....only to realise the full million that boarded the train at Hyde park along with the million that was on the train already had also disembarked. Well,... The Covent Garden station was down to just one elevator so the platform was just slightly less jam packed than the train, with slightly damp Londoners all waiting patiently for the elevator. Someone near us spotted the stairway!! BOO YA I thought!! A short way out!!,...Who doesn't mind a few stairs! Off we went happy to be near to the fresh air, at first I was enjoying the spiral stairway and the history of it all.....however, after about forty or so spirals of pain and suffering we spotted a sign that said,...congratulations,...you are half way up to the street! HALF WAY!! Good lord, No wonder it was such a good bomb shelter during the bombing of London! That's certainly where I would go!
I understand The Covent Garden station has undergone a major renovation and the elevators are in good nick now and much faster that before. The last time I was at Covent Garden the station was closed. I look forward to giving the station another chance, while hoping to avoid the old stair master of agony, on my next visit!
All kidding aside,....I have been to that station many times and even the old elevators did a good job,...for the most part! That evening in December, in my experience, was a bit of an extenuating circumstance! The destination of Covent Garden is well worth journey!! Where else can you see a guy juggling screaming chain saws while riding a five meter high unicycle?
I’m surprised there isn’t a category for stations where not many people enter or exit but many change. West Ham being the best example I can think of.
Yes ... I think the categories that Jago refers to must be only in regard to the people entering or leaving the station; people changing lines, or to/from mainline rail or Overground don't count. Whitechapel confuses me: since the Eliz.line is encouraging people to change there, TfL must be aware of it as a transfer point - yet they have re-categorised it as a 'destination'! Why not have a category for stations that are principally or to a considerable extent 'Interchanges'? Perhaps the whole analysing thing is more about the mental quirks of the people who end up in jobs like transport organising - maybe there's scope for a video about other things they do more generally
I was thinking that there would be a specific category for interchange or even major interchange as they would need to be managed completely differently, particularly for staffing, passenger information and passenger safety
@@ricktownend9144 It feels like TfL's "destination" category isn't what we'd think of as the English meaning. For example, if it includes Waterloo, most people go there to interchange on to National Rail. Same with Whitechapel, as you say. So it seems to be jargon for "heavily used throughout the day and busier than a metro".
_"You are the ticket machines to my Gateway"_ 😂- You're going to get locked up one of these days! 😂😂
If Network Rail & TOC:s have a similar system. Bicester's stations, Village & North, would be classed as "Destinations", as should Covent Garden using the same rationale.
… but that's only IF!
Just the ( electronic now at Wellington ) ticket before my 5 min drive to school on this sunny Monday morning. Heard a steam locomotive whistle yesterday morning on the single track main line. ..excursion to and from somewhere. ..says LeviNZ
Every station's a destination if you live nearby.
Haven't been to london in decades but watching this brings back the smell memory of the underground. Its a sort of rubbery smell.
When i worked at Victoria stations were ‘grouped’ as mentioned, at the time (15 years ago) we were in a group of 2 with Warren Street so i had to work at both fyi.
TfL categorises its stations differently for statistics as well. There are a total of 7 categories. Airport, City, Inner Suburb, Outer Suburb, Shopping, Terminus, and Tourist.
Thats quite interesting and if I had ever thought about it, logical. But I'm as oblivious as the next content producer. I've always loved the tube for not being homogenised. It wears its history very visibily and thats part of its charm. As long as theres a roundal to indicate where a station is. Then inside and below ground are where the changes happen. Its also very Tardis like. Great video.
Thanks Jago - I was thinking that there was some sort of categorisation for the stations on the London Underground. It's really interesting hearing about the categories. 👏🏾
Keep them coming Jago. I find your videos informative, entertaining, relaxing, I and a friend used to get a ticket called a 'Red bus rover' from Hounslow East Station for 5 bob (25p) an we could spend all day exploring the Underground. So watching your videos from our new home of Greece is very therapeutic.
More power to your elbow (or your video camera) 😊
I doubt your Bus Ticket would take you on the underground. As I only travelled by bus I never knew there was a weekend day ticket that covered Tube and Bus, I forget the fare and cannot recall the adverts from publications. I think they started in 1952 with the festival of London exhibition
I think the Red Rovers were for red buses only. There was a ticket called a Twin Rover which gave you a day's travel on buses or underground. I actually used one twice - it got me to places like Woodford, West Ruislip and Woolwich for only 5 bob in 1966 and 1967.
@@davidkimmins8781 Was it a special fare for places beginning with W ?
When I worked for the company as a Station Supervisor, the stations were categorised as the type of supervising it needed but with a similar rationale. I was an SS1, which was the highest level and that was stations like Waterloo, Kings Cross, Earls Court etc and also Finsbury Park. SS2 was smaller yet still busy stations such as Covent Garden, Southwark, Manor House, etc. SSMF (multi functional) was largely what is now the local stations. The Supervisors at these places usually ran them on their own and (when they existed) ran the ticket office with maybe one or two station assistants. These included stations like Wimbledon Park and Southfields. There was an SS3 category, but that applied to the stations with an LU presence but not owned by them, such as Ealing Broadway and Wimbledon.
Why do I think of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse? Ah I remember.......Covent Garden indeed!
Do Uniform Stations Need A Certain Amount of Tailoring ?
I shall have to go to London sometime to experience all this again, I didn't know much about it when I lived there all those years ago !!🧐
The stations have been graded differently for Donkey's years but this newest system was brought in some years ago as a way to cut jobs and costs by abolishing all the old grades of station staff and bringing in new grades with new titles. 🤬 I like many others were given a choice of remaining in my current grade of Supervisor and take a large pay cut or become a manager and not get any extra pay despite having much more work and responsibilities 🤨 They then "promoted" people into the new grade (my old grade) and paid them a lot less than I used to get paid 🤬 Funnily enough these changes didn't affect the senior management at all 🤨 strange that. ( Travel tip don't use Covent Garden always use Leicester Square it's 3 or 4 minutes walk)
"No two...stations are quite alike"
Except for Cyprus and Beckton Park
I am happy to discover my Local station is for Local people. We once caught a no-tail and burned him.
This is a local station for local people. There's nothing for you here.
Sometimes this channel is like being at school and Jago has done your homework. This video is a case in point. 👏👍😅
I always watch the video to the end just to see what Patreons are to Jago today.
Nope was not aware at all. Thanks for the tale!
Spent ages trying to find this video on Jay Foreman's channel before I considered the possibility someone else had made it.
Love the nerdy info that you give.
I've never been to London but the more Jago I watch, the more prepared I will be for when I do eventually get a chance to visit! Fascinating as always!
How to spot an enthusiast of any type.
1 find a systematic way to categorize said phenomenon.
2 Point out all exceptions to said categorization.
Pretty much!
The four types of Melbourne station:
- Where you find people with knives
- sport like at the MCG which a lot of you should have heard of
- Tram connections
- And everything else
This is a local station, for local people; there's nothing for you here .
I didn't know there were categories, but I did notice the different station styles and layouts which makes sense given what this video details.
It all sounds like something that was decided by a committee.
Waterloo, the busiest station in the UK. One of the least is not that far from here - Sugar Loaf...
I've been here 50 years and have never heard of this system so you're not alone.
Very interesting, I didn't know but it (mostly) makes perfect sense. A few questions to clarify. Where does Stratford sit with these categories, likewise Canning Town, and all DLR stations. Does City Airport station fit? Also, you seperate out London Overground, why, what makes these stations different? Thanks, and keep posting, always brightens up my day to see your videos. (Hopefully Tyne & Wear Metro will be on agenda with the new trains, and Liverpool with it's underground Merseyrail stations too)
The London Underground is a largely self-contained system running on it's own tracks and serving it's own stations. The overground is a collection of existing main line suburban services which have been given a corporate identity and upgraded frequencies and rolling stock to make them more like a metro service from the passengers' perspective but they operate on the complex web of mainline tracks around the capital which are shared with many other trains including freights. Most overground stations are also served by other operators. Although TfL operate both underground and overground, the overground stations are controlled by Network Rail.
I was not aware of the dfferences but it all makes sense.
Interesting, I always considered Bayswater a destination station, particularly on my commute home after a busy day in the office, however, it would appear LU do not share this view.
This ‘categorising’ is something that accountants will no doubt have developed from a funding and organisation perspective. Having working in school finance for the last 25 years something similar was done with schools which principally drove its funding and reflectively allowed benchmarking across the same categories. I would guess Tesco’s and Sainsbury’s, etc., do the same. But this reminds me of something I’ve heard said a few times, ‘the railways were better when they were run by railway people and not accountants!’
This is so gloriously nerdy 💜 I love your narration style, Jago; we were guffawing towards the end of that one!
Now I wanna confirm my local station is what I expect! 😁
...and for your next trick, have you seen DfT categorisation of national rail stations, some of which are confusingly odd!
The Four Kinds of Underground Station:
- weird church-like bench on the platform;
- has a secret platform behind a door;
- South Eastern and the Chatham & Dover fought over it;
- Ban'Cannonument.
Yes, I learnt a little about these categories during the round of ticket office closures a few years back. Somewhere I read that Destination stations were a category and would be handled differently. Can't remember where I read that, and the details were scant. So your video was interesting.
i found this very interesting. I was not aware of categories for underground stations. It makes sense to a point, but as you said, there are bound to be some customisation of individual stations.
Always a geat start to my sunday. Thank you
I found your video interesting. My wife who was also listening thought it was very nerdy and sad.
The only Gateway stations are Heathrow T23, Paddington, Kings Cross St Pancras, Liverpool Street, Victoria and Euston (thanks to other commenters for the link). The first 5 get airport traffic with overseas visitors, KX of course gets Eurostar. I initially thought Victoria and Liv St were throwbacks to the days of boat trains before remembering Gatwick/Stansted. As for Euston, maybe they are anticipating Scottish independence? Yes, it gets long-distance trains as do Paddington and KX, but Waterloo gets services from as far as Exeter and is Britain's busiest station, yet is only a Destination.
In terms of what the categorisation is for, it doesn't matter whether the people arriving are coming from overseas or not. Someone arriving from Ipswich might need as much help as someone from Italy. Whereas the commuters of Waterloo don't.
@@MattiLiljaniemi But Waterloo is absolutely not just commuters. It carries traffic from up to 150 miles away (Exeter, Weymouth, Bournemouth, Southampton, Portsmouth) - considerably further than Ipswich - plus all the suburbs. The Southern Railway built its profitability on encouraging off-peak leisure traffic to fill the gaps and that has continued to this day. That's why it's Britain's busiest station. Go to Waterloo at any time during the day and it's always busy. So if the "Ipswich factor" applied, it would strengthen the case for Waterloo being a Gateway station. It still seems perverse to me that it isn't.
Great, now every time I pass any tube station at all I'm going to try guess what category it's in. Just fantastic.
When I saw the title for this video, my first guess was that the 4 categories were:
Sub surface line on the surface (District and Metropolitan)
Sub surface line below surface
Deep level line on the surface
Deep level line below surface
Two types of trains/tunnels, and then either above ground or below ground stations.
5:56 interesting to see bilingual signage on Whitecapel Station
Mister Hazzard, I do love your videos but I do usually am left wondering when I try and go on to read (and see, in the case of maps) your sources. Keep up the entertaining and quite informative videos!
3:19 That's an unusual sign for the NORTHERN LINE....
This video is really interesting!
Julius Caesar "Tota gallia in tres partes divisia est"
London Underground "hold my tea"
Subcategory - Football Stations. (Minor destination category) Avoid them on match-days.