@@m.1iano having everything in arsenal doesn't make you the the top 2 player. We can argue that every NBA player has, to a certain degree, everything in their arsenal. Shaq may shot a 3 pointer at some point in his career. To be top 2, yiu need to way more than just "having a full arsenal". There are many ways on doing it - you could be elite level in all skills or you could have unstoppable offense and poor defense, or you could have elite offense and elite defense, etc etc.
Just-Your-Average-Negro you forgot about the stuttering at the beginning. Btw great tactic to shut people up, stutter your way to your sentence. Stephen A the king of that 😂
Giannis is so young too. People forget that he is 5 years younger than everyone else who is being discussed as the best player in the league. Meaning, he can still develop a jump shot etc
Movie Master we know that that is why he is not even in top 10 simple is that’ only fool Max thinks that the guy who can not even shoot properly yet is somehow better than King or Snake!!!!!
Movie Master i am a lebron fan but i wanna tell you that if he is able to develop his jumper he can pass lebron as the best and like you mentioned he is younger then most of the great players so he has a great chance
@@spencermclaughlin9919 after this post season Giannis will be widely considered better than AD if he's not already. This post season will solidify the Greek Freak's position inside the top 10 players because right now he's the hardest to rank.
So this conversation should be if Giannis leads the Bucks to the Finals then he surpasses Kevin Durant in the pecking-order. Pound-for-pound, until or unless Giannis develops a jump-shot I cannot put him over LeBron James. He has PUH-LENTY of time to develop one. Even his teammate Brook Lopez didn't start shooting 3s until two years ago. Now look at him. Droppin' vapor from damned-near half-court. LeBron obviously has a lot of Ls in the Finals so if LeBron doesn't win another one and Giannis wins three, even without the jump-shot adaptation we might have to revisit this conversation.
@@getitworkalot8096 You mean they lost to a team with established stars... Westbrook, Harden & KD are ALL SUPERSTARS (not just stars)... difference is that they were still very young.
Max beat Steven A. on this one. When he brought up when Steph is out vs when in and when KD went against GSW and choked, Steven A had to insult him to deflect lol!
are you agreeing with Max that Giannis is better than KD, because KD is the best scorer in the league, and has defense almost as elite as Giannis. I'm an OKC fan and even though I'm mad KD left, he is undeniably number 2.
Yoel Gide That niggas drunk. Lebron isn’t even the best player. That niggas the worse kind of teammate. Ballhog, won’t play offball, doesn’t play defense, stat pads and would get rid of his whole team if he had a chance
NLMB Drizzy no dude 😂😂 lebron doesn’t do it all the time too, there was a time KD had to run the game when Steph was out he was averaging 35 points 11 rebounds and 10 assists in 5 straight gMes what the fuck you talking about ?
@@Dẹ̀jì144 ok then why'd they lose 4 straight games, how come they couldn't hold the 1st seed without Steph, why does Klay shoot 10% worse from 3 without Steph, why doesn't Draymond play like an all-star without Steph and why did Kd join the Golden State Warriors...because he couldn't beat Steph 🤔🤔
Damn y'all still on that shit. What being on that team has to do with him being a better player. Damn move along with him joining the warriors. It was a punk move but KD is still a better player.
HoodLegends Its Not A Matter Of Tossing The Fact , It Happened And They Went To Him , No Other Superstar In NBA History Was Put In The Position He Was In But Speak Like As If They Know What They Would Have Done ... Kd’s Jus Playing Ball Winning MVPs And He’s Clearly The Best Player On The Warriors Stop The Hate Let It Go , Any Other Player It Wouldn’t Be This Big Of A Deal But Everyone Is Clearly Bothered By How Great He Is , Don’t Be Mad At His Greatness
I just wanna know how in 2015 Curry(won mvp) was considered better than KD then in 2016(mvp again)BEAT HIM SO BADLY IN THE WCF in 2017 KD Joined him .. then all of sudden KD is better than Curry 😂. HOW?!
Max is right about KD tho... He went to 70 plus win team... A superteam... So u can't give him credit in the Finals... He had everything and I'm not a fan of either one
actually you can give him credit. he has two finals mvp for a reason. he definitely deserves credit for their success. Although that success came very easily
genesisofsound I agree, replace KD with James harden, kemba walker, kawhi Leonard, Damian lillard, Anthony Davis, Kylie Irving, Paul George, etc and they don’t miss a beat. They would perform just as good as him
LeBron passing the Best player on planet torch to Kyrie , KD, or possibly AD or Kawai. Both Giannis and Curry are to limited with their game since curry is too small to Drive/guard and Gianni can't shoot since hes too awkward long and he only has a little finess in his game.
Max was speaking facts on KD he can’t take control of team like steph curry steph curry is the heart of the warriors I saw this video from jxmyHighroller it spoke about it and it’s true should look at the video. The Only Player That Matters Video.
Well the one year he sorta got the opportunity(when Westbrook was injured) it resulted in an MVP so idk bout that. And Im a guy who knows Curry's better than KD
Lol i guess just all those deep playoffs runs in the west and that trip to finals doesn't matter or that great mvp season... I don't understand the kd logic sometimes
Max has more basketball knowledge than Stephen A. He wins most of the arguments about basketball now. I think KDs mom has put fear in Stephen A., and he is afraid to talk negatively about him now.
I actually see where Max is coming from, SAS always switching up "KD to the Warriors is the weakest move I've ever seen by a superstar" to "KD is the reigning two time Finals MVP and is the best player in the league" smh
Black Shades Johnny Cage did you catch his remarks about Durant awhile back discussing his reporting accuracy? Durant called him out saying “He never spoke to SAS about certain topics making stuff up!’ SAS WENT OFF! Ever since then, SAS has been kissing his @ss!
We gonna act like KD didn’t go 10/31 and 12/32 in Game 5 and Game 6 of 2016 WCF?? Where the hell was the “best scorer in basketball,” “the cold blooded killer Assassin that LeBron can never be” then??? SMH KD is excellent no doubt abt it but ppl always wanna bring up moments where LeBron didn’t show up in the playoffs almost 10 years ago and gloss over what KD been doing recently? PUT KD ON THE CAVS LAST YR I GUARANTEE YOU THEY DONT MAKE IT OUT OF THE FIRST ROUND! In the games Steph hasn’t played, the Warriors are barely .500. I’m sick of this narrative that just because Durant gets 2 Finals MVPs suddenly erases all his shortcomings in multiple playoff moments. I can’t wait till KD is on another team next year and barely gets to the playoffs and starts bricking all his shots. Keep that same “cold blooded LeBron usurper” mentality then fools
KD has lead the thunder to the playoffs every year and been to 4 WCF appearances and 1 Finals appearance. IN THE WEST. You're just mad bc Lechoke got his ass busted in back to back Finals by KD and ain't sniffing another Finals appearance. Stay mad.
Mon Gu Son 2014 LeBron was good you fucking moron, his team wasnt up to par due to injuries and other shortcomings. 2011 LeBron is a story everyone knows because thats all niggas talk about. This is what we’re talking about.. no one speaks about KD’s failures
Ikenna Obodozie can Steph win without KD? I mean in 2015 KD was owning the warriors but he had a season ending surgery. As great as he was in 2016 he wasn’t performing like the reigning mvp. I like Steph. He’s my 2nd favorite player but GSW won their first title when KD was hurt. I just know that they haven’t lost since they got KD.
KD is playing with two of the three greatest shooters of all time IN THEIR PRIME, 3 of the best defenders in the league( Klay, Green, IGGY), all of which have won DOTY awards, one of the three best big man in the game( Cousins), and we're seriously praising Durant averaging close to 30 ppg in this freaking team. Which all star couldn't do that!!??!! Also, KD defended Lebron late in the game, after Klay, Iggy, and green had worn him out for three quarters, AND STILL averaged more than Durant.
Yeah that's what makes KD great cause with a power house team, the ball needs to be shared. So to score 30ppg you need to be an efficient scorer and that's what he does.
This dude max is the same guy talking about Kyler Murray and Tua all year and then jumped on the Trevor Lawrence bandwagon after the national championship.
Vishal Raul Jordan, lebron, Kareem, magic, Larry, Hakeem, jerry west, wilt, russel, Shaq, Kobe, Tim Duncan, Scottie pippin, David Robinson, Oscar Robertson, Havlicek, KD, Elgin Baylor, Isaiah Thomas, Clyde drexler, Malone, I could go on, but I’m not sure what you define as greatness, but I think it’s all encompassing, on and off the court impact, as well as how good they Could stand against peers, mostly head to head against their peers, like curry couldn’t beat anyone on my list of players besides maybe jerry west, but that isn’t the deciding factor by itself.
@@nathaniellange9526 I've seen a lot of guys like you I ain't suprised I bet you haven't even seen majority of the faces you named Greatness?? Steph curry revolutionised the modern Nba, is the leader of arguably the best dynasty of all time, 2x league mvp, 3time champ, Greatest shooter of all time and the biggest reason Lebron(the 2nd best acc to you) hasn't won more championships
Nochallengetho I literally said it wasn’t the deciding part, just a factor, you idiot, read the full comment next Time before you try to sound off on someone like you’re smart, you’re an idiot with no knowledge on the sport, you probably didn’t even play it. There’s a reason players think Kobe is better than lebron, iso is a great skill in the game, not as important now, but for the majority of the games existence it has been, so it is important. Fucking idiot
If Durant is all that why in the world is he still stacking the deck with the Warriors? Let him go carry a team the way Giannis is trying to do them we can see who the successor to the crown really is.
Rubben Delgado Carry his team to what? Lmfaoo The last player to carry his team to the finals as the only superstar on a team is Dirk in 2011 when they washed Lebron. LMFAO you really thought carrying a team in the east just to get smacked in the finals was it 💀
Anyone who knows basketball knew KD was one of the top 5 players in the league before he went to GS. So, answer this question, has KD really done anything different from his OKC days until now? Marginally, but what player wouldnt when they join a much better team? The only real difference between then and now is that he joined an ALL-TIME record setting team! He hasnt really done anything different! So while he is still one of the best, he shouldnt be in the conversation as the best. If you didn't think he was the best then dont claim that sh1t now when hes NO DIFFERENT! He has a considerably amount of less pressure on him in comparison to other stars in the league. And to top it off....he isnt even the best on his team! Its Curry.
lol no just...no.since 2014-15 curry TEAM was better.kd is the superior player(closer than most think too)just like why i argue kd being the best for the fact people like to bring up that kd lost to that 2016 warriors TEAM forgetting they(gs) have 3 allstars!!!Guess what the cavs had,3 allstars!!!!okc only had two stars 3 beats two on top of the fact the warrors and cavs had a better bench than okc.
@@joshliggins2260 Even if all that's true, then why does KD deserve consideration for best player? If anything, your argument weakens any reason for him to be considered the best. Before LBJ won his ships he was considered the best. KD has never been considered the best, but now because he joined the best possible team any player in the history of the NBA could have he's in consideration as the best? GTFOH.
Just because yall let Lebron off the Hook when he went to Miami AND THEN BACK to Cleveland with Kyrie & Love only to exile Kyrie & plea for a Team full of All-Stars which we all know would never work! Dont throw shade on KD because he did his 10 year bid in OKC & moved on! AD crying for the same opportunity but nobody is bashing him going to LA.
@@haywood0457 he was considered the best in 2014 when he won his mvp(they had been saying he was close to passing him for years). tons of individuals felt kd in that season he got injured was poised to finally pass bron but he injured his foot and the warriors took off.most people forget that kd used to go off on the warriors everytime they played.
@@MOMa40 you must be a Durant sympathizer. They had the best regular season record ever, they won the title the year before. The team has an MVP in his prime Steph, top shooter and Defender of All time Klay, true leader and DFPY Draymond and Durant an MVP top 2 player in the whole league decides to turn his back on his comrades and join the team whole eliminated him all because he couldn't close them out after being up 3-1? Softest biggest cowardly move in the history of pro sports!!!!! Plus he never talked now he talks trash with a loaded team... he is no champion he a superstar wagon jumper with asterisks next to those awards! He is a great player without doubt but also a man with no country meaning team he plays for or city and worst no honor.
@@alvinyates8525 everything u said is completely dumb asf, first off if he was a band wagon jumper he wouldn't be mvp of the finals 2 times in a row, yes warriors have all time regular season record but lets not get it twisted jordan chicago bulls was the all time best team 72-10 with winning the championship under 7 games plus the draymond discussion is irrelevant he is so trash the guy is GARBAGE CAN'T AVG 10 PGG TO SAVE HIS LIFE. & the first finals durant was carry & outplaying lebron wen it matter most lebron had 2 allstars on his team like kd had & lets not get into how kyrie irving outplays steph in every finals & plus lebron had kevin love who is a walking double double. If u the so called best player in the world y he couldnt get it done game 3 in his house ? Kd definitely deserves more respect. & also he plays better defense than lebron, shoot better from 3 & mid range, better handle, almost 90% for freethrow shooting, & is a better teammate💯. Lets debate
@@MacManDrew you do realize he wouldnt have any rings or final mvps without steph and klay right? 🤣. He had a chance to do that with russ against lebron and wade and he didnt close the deal. That's the equivalent of lebron joining the mavs after the finals to what kd did stop trying to excuse a bitch move
@@teamgrinders9152 ok u really tryna go there i can say the same 4 lebron cuz he was getting swept & knocked out the playoffs be4 comin to play with a super team (heat) & then join cavs who had a walkin double kevin love, & kyrie irvin who is a top 2 or 3 pg. Like every player needs help & dont say kd couldnt get it done cuz he showed up only player that was decent on his team was Westbrook & i can say the same for lebron why he couldnt get it done goin against kd warriors 1st year? Y he get swept for the 2nd time in his career? One thing kd neva had was get swept & he has played in a harder conference his entire carrer, lebron team always was the best team in the east. So with that being said put some respect on my nigga kd name
True and it really puts me off. Max on the other hand makes his argument and tries to keep it professional & respectful. SAS tries to make Max look like a fool when you can clearly hear what his argument is. You know when you begin to hold your forehead and not argue your point out without being disrespectful to me you have no points to support your narrative and Max always does........
@@boscod73 By far Max dumbest argument.Giannis will not surpassed Kevin Durant if he wins championship the disrespect from Max Kellerman.I see why Stephen A.Smith acted unprofessional.
Literally 7 other players could have done what kd did after joining a 73 win team (which beat him btw).If giannis does that, he deserves the title, not kd.
Really? Who's taking the game over when Curry and Klay doesn't show up like in Game 3 of the last 2 finals? People are really underestimating KD's play.
@@PSarks nobody underestimating him. Nobody in their right disregards him as one of the best. Hes just not the best. And on the same token, whose taken over when hes struggled? Exactly, curry thompson. At the end of the day, the engine that runs the Ws begins and ends w curry.
@dboyBR225 lmfao yeah but then he didn't leave miami to go to dallas. Or go to boston from cleveland. It's not the same, so don't make it like it's the same.
dboyBR225 Yes he did tf he had Westbrook, Ibaka, Steven Adams, Dion Waiters which at that time was a good ass player and he also had Roberson which is one of the best perimeter defender in the league lol and remember KD was the reason why they lost in 2016 he shot bad from the field in game 5 and game 6
@@dewaynethegoat3346 but kd is aging hes 30 years old while giannis is only 24 in 4 years, when giannis reaches his peak at 28 KD is gonna be a whole 34 years old, and not everyone is like lebron and jordan, ill be suprised if anyone is as good as kobe, lebron, and jordan were at an age thats 32 +
Max QUICK to point out KD teammates when facing LeBron THEN refer to KD OKC team that lost the 3-1 lead with ONE other star THEN Max says LeBron beat that same team KD lost to but fail to mention LeBron had TWO other stars when he did it while KD only had one 🤔🤔🤔
@@guillermogomez2811 Steven Adams NEVER made a single all star team..... Kevin Love has made several so it's no comparison.... If that's the case how many stars are on LeBron Lakers team this year 🤔🤔🤔
What are yall talking about the had Ibaka Nd Westbrook Nd had them 3-1 kd choked their no if ands or buts about it... then kd has never had a team like lebrons wen kyrie left ever even kd knows who the best is
@@devaughnwoods5621 when has Ibaka ever been better than Kevin Love??? 🤔 NEVER ok cool glad we got that established..... Westbrook & KD 2 stars had them down 3-1 when LeBron only had ONE other star he got swept.... End of discussion
Watching this back again, and this is an all-time great First Take Segment. This is such a good debate, and the points made about KD have been proven by the last 4 years of basketball.
KD35Beast lol don’t act like players don’t have breakout years, analyst jobs are to predict, and max is one of the better analyst in this case cause he changed his stance as the season went on, AD clearly won’t surpass lebron this season and within recent memory max hasn’t said that, since maybe before the season started to a few games in. The players change and with it the opinions of the analyst.
@@nathaniellange9526 Then he need to acklowledges he WAS WRONG before putting up something else. I do remember Max did say AD was becoming the best player in the league at the beginning of the season. I do not mind people change their mind, but when they sweep it under the carpet like nothing ever happened and STILL acting like they have been right all along. Thats a PROBLEM.
tigera6 I don’t believe he is acting like he’s been right, cause he would be digging his own grave if he ever voiced that opinion, and since he hasn’t not many people have your same opinion, but also by him changing his position in the first place admits defeat on his original point, so he doesn’t really need to state it
@@nathaniellange9526 He always act like a smart-ass, being analytical and all that, while what he does is changing his narrative to whatever fit the current situation. He said Lebron was by far better than everyone else by miles, even went to say Lebron = Steph + KD, then he said AD will surpass Lebron, then now Giannis will be the best player in the NBA, how about KD is not even a top 5 NBA player while saying his move to the GS was stacking the deck to their favor. This is just about the NBA, and not about the damn prediction that Tom Brady is falling of the Cliff that has went on for YEARS. This man is just a waste of time and full of excuse. He is straight out dumb and most importantly INCONSISTENT all the damn time. But he always says his point with such confident that he never get things wrong before. I am suprised SAS has not checked him out on those point, maybe he was not allowed to by the Producer.
tigera6 or maybe because SAS understand that opinions are fluid and memory is short. Max doesn’t have the time in air to think of every word he has said, and he definitely doesn’t have the time correct himself every time. Bottom line is this: if you can’t realize he is changing his opinion and admiring defeat without saying “I was wrong” you’re trying too hard to dislike the guy. His job is to be entertaining and to give his opinion. As for the basketball end of this. AD has missed many games this year and is on a team that doesn’t like him anymore and the feeling is mutual. Giannis has been having a crazy year and rightfully so is in the conversation for best in the league. Somethings you can’t predict. And KD has been a top 5 player and within the next year or so he’ll be back again, if only for a year or so. Just because he’s not exactly in the top 5 doesn’t mean moving to a stacked team as the 6th best player doesn’t make it more stacked. When he moved to GS they had 3 of the top 15 players in the league, 2 of the top 3 or 4 (at the time it was clearly lebron curry KD, maybe Kawhi). Clearly that makes it more stacked.
sparkfirehot bro all he needs to do is learn how to shoot and maybe handle the ball better but Giannis after lebron james is the best player in the league and he will be better than lebron
These niggas are so stupid. KD is a better scorer, passer, and as good a rebounder as the Greek freak. He's also a better defender and nearly as athletic driving to the basket. Let's not forget he's a clutch player. People will bring up the 3-1 loss, but the dude has been a clutch player his entire career.
Until giannis makes it to the ECF or finals it's not even close because he's hasn't proven nothing but giannis is a top player that's gotta be respected tho
Pierre Dorsey um he won the mvp award he’s a 4x scoring champion. 50/40/90 club led his team to the finals in the west against the spurs. Y even ask this question giannis is nowhere near what kd was before he joined the warriors and even now that he joined the warriors the fact he’s averaging the same as giannis minus rebounds with curry klay and now boogie is crazy imagine him being the number 1 scoring option they numbers wouldn’t be close
Man must be so hard to outplay The Cavs when Warriors were already a Finals ready team. Also LeBron had to play every minute of the game or Cavs instantly lose while KD could take breaks without worrying if the Warriors would lose. It's not even the same standard KD had it much easier than LeBron
KD went against Lebron in the finals with no pressure on his back because his team was highly favored by a wide margin so of course he’s gonna show up. Why didn’t he show up when he was facing pressure against golden state and he blew a 3-1 lead. Until I see him perform under pressure then I’ll accept him as the best player in the world. Rn it’s still Lebron
Pathetic. Yall Are Lame.. if Ur Still Sad LeBron Got Ran Out His Home By Kevin Durant!! You're A Straight Loser Nigga!! Fact! 🤣🤣 LeSwept!! Kd Told Lebron Get Tf Outta CleveLand Bitch! P***YNIGGA!! AND LEHELP RAN AWAY!! AGAIN!! 🤣 BOW TO THE KING DESTROYER! THE NEW GOD! KEVIN DURANT!! BACK2BACK! ITS OVER! CRY ABOUT IT BITCHES!! WARRIORS! LeSuperTeamCreator DIED! ITS DONE! 😉🏆🏆
KD scored 35pts in that Finals elimination game against Lebron's Heat team! But we ignored that?? He showed up!!!! When tf have you ever seen KD not show up??? AGAIN, KD HAS AVERAGE 27 PPG SINCE COLLEGE! NOBODY HAS STOPPED HIM FROM GETTING 27 OR BETTER SINCE COLLEGE! You fucking ducks are haters FrFr! But dont even know that your hating & why your hating? Smh.
Usually I'm on the side of Max Kellerman, and I also do not like KD's decision to join the Warriors in the slightest. However the things he's saying about KD are straight untrue: 1. KD is getting extra credit for joining a team where he cannot be double teamed. -This ignores the fact that KDs game was basically identical in the playoffs for the Thunder and he was giving teams basically the same kind of work 2. KD cannot lead a team when Steph's not there. -Excuse me! Did we just forget about KD's whole MVP season, where he lead the team without Westbrook and his help running the offence came from a very young and inexperienced backcourt of Reggie Jackson and Jeremy Lamb.
Max is right KD is playing with two of the greatest shooters of all time. A team that already had 73 Wins in a season. Can't be #2 but definitely top 5.
Question if KD is so great.. why is he never discussed in the greatest of all time debate?? I always hear the argument Jordan or Kobe, Jordan or LeBron, jordan or magic or whoever but NEVER Jordan or KD.... I just wanna know (p.s I do think KD is ONE of the greatest of all time)
I think maybe it because ppl think kd has more to prove.....by next season his name should be in that discussion and also we will really see when kd leaves gsw
He's actually one of the greatest of all time. I dont wanna hear someone yell Kobe because KD is a better scorer. The greatest scorer, he can really score for nowhere and is too efficient
@@darindthomas so he isn't also a better rebounder (13 a game) and scorer (27 a game) and better foul shooter (71%)....all while playing three less minutes a game....
He said Giannis is the 2nd best player. He didn't specify by how much. Truth is it's REALLY hard to place KD because he's in a team with Steph, Clay and god damn Boogie Cousins. If he was anywhere else he'd be having better numbers for sure, but would more points for him translate into wins? We just can't know.
Iceman GG 5th or 6th? I’m not even a big giannis fan and I think you underrating him a little. I mean it’s mainly opinion in the top 5 1. lebron 2. Kd(you could say 1 because Lebron plays no defense) 3. Curry 4. Giannis 5. Pg Just my opinion ig you could put him at 5 but I can’t see him at 6.
This was a list I put on another video. 1. Lebron 2. KD 3. Curry 4. Harden 5. Giannis 6. AD 7. Kawhi 8. Paul George etc. With 4 and 5 and 7 and 8 being total toss ups. For me if Giannis proves himself these playoffs he'll move up to 4. And for PG, if he avoids the disappearing acts he's had in the post season this year he's move past Kawhi as the best 2 way player in the league.
If you mean a mid range post fadeaway, then yes, but i would rather he not try to hard developing a 3 point jumpshot. The last thing the bucks need is for him sitting on the perimeter, settling for low percentage shots. His game right now is almost perfect: Attack the basket aggressively, or keep the ball moving.
Omar Holder Mine is mainly based on this season so I didn’t want to take into account pg’s and giannis playoff performances. And even though I’m a big harden fan I can’t put him over the others on my list mainly due to his defense.(his post defense has been good but if you’re a guard you have to guard the perimeter) No hate for your list though not a bad opinion
Carlos Angeles y’all Lebron fans kill me with that snake crap. Lebron left wade 2 go back 2 Cleveland. He didn’t tell his best friend wade that he was leaving him 2 go back 2 Cleveland in person. He waited until he was on the airplane 2 finally give wade the news. Also he tried 2 get kyrie traded behind his back after kyrie help him 2 win a championship. Lebron is a snake himself.
@@forevermamba_2303 the most ignorant thing in an NBA debate is to asume that everyone that didn't jump in GSW's bandwagon with KD is a LBJ fan... For real, when tha heck was LeBron James mentioned in my comment? Or how did this decade of NBA history is related to who's better right now between Giannis and KD??? Danm these player fanboys and haters are all over the place 🤦🏾♂️
Let KD get injured last year & see if the beat the Pelicans or Rockets! You forgot who kepted them afloat while Steph was bitching out? You idiots don't kno shit.
I agree 100% with Mac KD got best shooter ever and second best ever.. they were getting double teamed to the extend that Kd was wide open often. KD is a snake fr man.. 35 points smh he shoulda averaged 45-50 points no cap. Kd is sad and a wuss whats why many call him a snake. He aint and will never be at LeBron level .
so we're mad at KD because of Kerr's genius? He put together a team to where you dont want to double team. Hell, you dont even wanna leave Cousins open either. But one on one, whose stopping KD? .. I'll wait... we've all seen the Greek freak and AD both get trashed trying to guard him. (if u watched the games anyway..) and I was sure AD would give him hell.. Glad I never bet on that. The man is a beast. I cant believe yal are really taking that from him. this man is basically unable to be guarded. Yal some real hating ass muh fuccaz boi
@@p3rryn lol that's what I'm saying. They sit back and they listen to a guy like max that knows nothing about basketball and run with his words. Like LeBron James didn't chase no rings. Most of the time KD had the ball in his hands pull up and splash threes they acting like KD can't play with the ball in his hands. KD is the only dude on the team that's not going to sit around and watch steph dribble the ball all damn game. KD gets the ball push that shit and gets buckets from anywhere. They clearly don't watch basketball
Frostshokula I mean it would be true 🤷🏽♂️ nobody’s impressed by such a feat when you join arguably the best team in NBA History, dawg.. KD gotta lead a team of his own to a Finals victory
Okay ? They went from going to game 7 against the cavs to almost sweeping them . Cause of who ? you nailed it. How many FMVPS curry got ? 0 . How many for KD ? 2.
King Phil even if it was the old team playing the Cavs they would’ve still won some rings it just would’ve been harder without KD. But the same would apply to KD if curry were the one to join the warriors after losing. Any team would go from going 7 games to sweeping the Cavs after adding another superstar. This is actually an awful stance your comment is probably best deleted. Your comment literally helped prove him right. KD gets too much credit. Fat L.
@@kingphil4073 Since you mention mvp, how many durant won when he still on okc? its a big ZERO!!!!! He only won that mvp because he joim GSW. So dont depend your snake because he will not acquire those mvp's if he dont join GSW in the 1st place. Got it???
@@alvindanica GSW were the ones recruting him if you didnt know . Durant was able to reach the NBA finals in 2012 but failed to beat LEBRON WADE AND BOSH
Nobody’s never won a 7 game series by themselves idgaf who it is yea KD joined a good team that didn’t need him, but KD is top 3 most efficient scorer ever and is best in league rn....... Skill>Decision Get over it he’s a top 10 goat anyday lol
@@bellegarde7822 You do realize that he faced double teams damn near every night since his 3rd season in the league playing for OKC right??..and still won 4 scoring titles!!! 😂😂😂
KD's mom had a gun pointed at Stephen a's head during the entire segment
Edward Cui lmao i see it
“Kd would be better than Kareem Abdul-Jabber”- F’ing right she did and pointing straight at his nuts.
Lol bs , Stephen a is one of KDs burner accts
KD is easily the most skilled and best basketball player in the world. i dont know how you can argue, he literally has everything in his arsenal.
@@m.1iano having everything in arsenal doesn't make you the the top 2 player. We can argue that every NBA player has, to a certain degree, everything in their arsenal. Shaq may shot a 3 pointer at some point in his career. To be top 2, yiu need to way more than just "having a full arsenal". There are many ways on doing it - you could be elite level in all skills or you could have unstoppable offense and poor defense, or you could have elite offense and elite defense, etc etc.
“Where does giannis rank among other nba players”: *argues about kd and lebron*
It's alright. Let them keep sleeping!
Let him have the ring first then we will talk.
Michael Jordan I mean max said he’s the second greatest player so he’s not really sleeping
Almost every NBA basketball debate on first take ends up talking about kd on a 73-9 team, the rockets being up 3-2 on GS, or Lebron
IKR
“I think you’re bias against skinny people” 😂😂😂
😂
Did Max say the freak was skinny?
Karan Vinod they blind
Chris Mccollum 😂😂😂
Bruh that killed me lol
I just love watching Stephen and Max argue 😂😂😂😂
I agree with you. Pure Entertainment!!!!!!
Me too
Max: *Speaks*
SAS: "Let me tell you something"
turning into Molly for real
We get all o' that
Just-Your-Average-Negro you forgot about the stuttering at the beginning. Btw great tactic to shut people up, stutter your way to your sentence. Stephen A the king of that 😂
Giannis is so young too. People forget that he is 5 years younger than everyone else who is being discussed as the best player in the league. Meaning, he can still develop a jump shot etc
well AD is only one year older and he's the fourth or fifth best player
Movie Master we know that that is why he is not even in top 10 simple is that’ only fool Max thinks that the guy who can not even shoot properly yet is somehow better than King or Snake!!!!!
Movie Master i am a lebron fan but i wanna tell you that if he is able to develop his jumper he can pass lebron as the best and like you mentioned he is younger then most of the great players so he has a great chance
@@spencermclaughlin9919 after this post season Giannis will be widely considered better than AD if he's not already. This post season will solidify the Greek Freak's position inside the top 10 players because right now he's the hardest to rank.
@@spencermclaughlin9919 AD cant even make the playoffs. He's all stats
“Number one you need to be drug tested immediately.” Lmaooo. He always dogging Max. Or he says “lemme call security to come escort you out” 😂😂
I see where max is coming from because Giannas is on tract to do something KD never could do and that was lead a team of his own to the finals
So this conversation should be if Giannis leads the Bucks to the Finals then he surpasses Kevin Durant in the pecking-order. Pound-for-pound, until or unless Giannis develops a jump-shot I cannot put him over LeBron James. He has PUH-LENTY of time to develop one. Even his teammate Brook Lopez didn't start shooting 3s until two years ago. Now look at him. Droppin' vapor from damned-near half-court.
LeBron obviously has a lot of Ls in the Finals so if LeBron doesn't win another one and Giannis wins three, even without the jump-shot adaptation we might have to revisit this conversation.
Rashaud Monroe kd was in the finals when he was a kid in okc and harden wasn’t even nice like that back then
Rashaud Monroe Kd lead a team to the finals in 2012
KD led OKC to the finals. They just lost to a team with more stars.
@@getitworkalot8096 You mean they lost to a team with established stars... Westbrook, Harden & KD are ALL SUPERSTARS (not just stars)... difference is that they were still very young.
Max beat Steven A. on this one. When he brought up when Steph is out vs when in and when KD went against GSW and choked, Steven A had to insult him to deflect lol!
Max's a genius.
Max is RIGHT. I talked about WHY Giannis WILL be the new face of the league on my channel the other day. It is a matter of when NOT if.
Bc the idiot thinks ONLY Steph was out lol
@@nickfriend4633 its between greek freak and donic
are you agreeing with Max that Giannis is better than KD, because KD is the best scorer in the league, and has defense almost as elite as Giannis. I'm an OKC fan and even though I'm mad KD left, he is undeniably number 2.
Biased against skinny ppl I'm weak😂😂😂😭😭😭
but it’s true
The way he said that was funny😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
😫😫😫🤣🤣🤣🤣
I THOUGHT LEBRON WAS 2X AS GOOD AS ANYONE IN THE NBA MAX🤔🤔🤔
Exactly
Yoel Gide he’s paid to debate lol
Condor Gaming exactly what I was thinking. He’s not being consistent lol
What do y’all mean, he’s consistent he’s said he’s miles better than everyone except giannis
Yoel Gide
That niggas drunk. Lebron isn’t even the best player. That niggas the worse kind of teammate. Ballhog, won’t play offball, doesn’t play defense, stat pads and would get rid of his whole team if he had a chance
Stephen A. thinks Talking Louder makes you right. Just like Cardi B
Gerome Perez I am right
That’s some New York shit
Plankton invented that fym
😂😂
Right
Lmao Stephen a been reading the hair line comments 😂
the classic drug test line lmao gotta love it
Drug Tested Immediately 😂😂
Max doesnt know basketball but its ok lmao
Immediately 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
If max said it it's racist lol
We all know he smokes
Max is right tho kd can't orchestrate the offense like LeBron because if he could the warriors wouldn't struggle without Steph
NLMB Drizzy no dude 😂😂 lebron doesn’t do it all the time too, there was a time KD had to run the game when Steph was out he was averaging 35 points 11 rebounds and 10 assists in 5 straight gMes what the fuck you talking about ?
@@Dẹ̀jì144 ok then why'd they lose 4 straight games, how come they couldn't hold the 1st seed without Steph, why does Klay shoot 10% worse from 3 without Steph, why doesn't Draymond play like an all-star without Steph and why did Kd join the Golden State Warriors...because he couldn't beat Steph 🤔🤔
Brandon Menifee Kevin Durant had so much help in okc. Don’t make excuses for him. If lebron doesn’t get any excuses, neither does KD
I love how we just toss the fact that KD join a team he blew a 3-1 lead to
The same way we toss lebron when he went to Miami
Damn y'all still on that shit. What being on that team has to do with him being a better player. Damn move along with him joining the warriors. It was a punk move but KD is still a better player.
HoodLegends Its Not A Matter Of Tossing The Fact , It Happened And They Went To Him , No Other Superstar In NBA History Was Put In The Position He Was In But Speak Like As If They Know What They Would Have Done ... Kd’s Jus Playing Ball Winning MVPs And He’s Clearly The Best Player On The Warriors Stop The Hate Let It Go , Any Other Player It Wouldn’t Be This Big Of A Deal But Everyone Is Clearly Bothered By How Great He Is , Don’t Be Mad At His Greatness
HoodLegends when are you going to let that go? when are you going to accept and appreciate greatness?
HoodLegends they both blew 3-1 leads lol
I just wanna know how in 2015 Curry(won mvp) was considered better than KD then in 2016(mvp again)BEAT HIM SO BADLY IN THE WCF in 2017 KD Joined him .. then all of sudden KD is better than Curry 😂. HOW?!
Hell no curry was robbed for last year finals mvp don't get wrong durant deserved it as well but i feel curry was just better imo
back to back finals mvps
Someone talk to me when giannas does what he does in the season in the playoffs
lil world facts
scoop245
Back to back free rings
Max is right about KD tho... He went to 70 plus win team... A superteam... So u can't give him credit in the Finals... He had everything and I'm not a fan of either one
Yeah you could put JR with Steph clay and draymond and still probably win at least 2 chips.
@@genesisofsound exactly
actually you can give him credit. he has two finals mvp for a reason. he definitely deserves credit for their success. Although that success came very easily
genesisofsound I agree, replace KD with James harden, kemba walker, kawhi Leonard, Damian lillard, Anthony Davis, Kylie Irving, Paul George, etc and they don’t miss a beat. They would perform just as good as him
They weren’t a super team. Just a team that drafted well and played great in a great system.
Bucks fan here. Giannis needs more accomplishments to be considered above Lebron or KD.
why tf do i need to know ur a bucks fan
@AMN Fragz Because Giannis is a Bucks player. And i'm repping my fan base while telling an unbiased truth.
A finals run and taking a game or 2 off the Warriors would be quite the accomplishment tho lol
Trade Giannis for LeBron or KD. See if you end up 1st next year ;-). I'm sure the Golden State will take the trade.
Accolades
Imo Lebron Giannis KD and Curry are the elite of the elite in todays nba
And Harden
TG10 harden and kawhi?
Paul George, Leonard, Kyrie
LeBron passing the Best player on planet torch to Kyrie , KD, or possibly AD or Kawai. Both Giannis and Curry are to limited with their game since curry is too small to Drive/guard and Gianni can't shoot since hes too awkward long and he only has a little finess in his game.
Yoo don't like him very much but I gotta give it up to harden too. Brother's avg damn near 36 points ppg. If that aint elite
How did the conversation go from Kevin Durant versus Giannis antetokounmpo to LeBron vs. KD
Deante Lewis the conversation actually went from, LeBron vs Giannis, to Giannis vs KD, then LeBron vs KD like wtf lmao
Deante Lewis and you stayed to listen because your interested so why question it
Deante Lewis LOL right
It was Lebron V Giannis
😂😂
Max was speaking facts on KD he can’t take control of team like steph curry steph curry is the heart of the warriors I saw this video from jxmyHighroller it spoke about it and it’s true should look at the video. The Only Player That Matters Video.
Well the one year he sorta got the opportunity(when Westbrook was injured) it resulted in an MVP so idk bout that. And Im a guy who knows Curry's better than KD
Lol i guess just all those deep playoffs runs in the west and that trip to finals doesn't matter or that great mvp season... I don't understand the kd logic sometimes
Black Shades Johnny Cage same way it doesn’t matter for Lebron goin to the finals if you lose it doesn’t matter 🤔
Andreas Ryge I’m talking about him in the warriors system 🤣 not OKC not a championship team like warriors
Max has more basketball knowledge than Stephen A. He wins most of the arguments about basketball now. I think KDs mom has put fear in Stephen A., and he is afraid to talk negatively about him now.
I actually see where Max is coming from, SAS always switching up "KD to the Warriors is the weakest move I've ever seen by a superstar" to "KD is the reigning two time Finals MVP and is the best player in the league" smh
Stephen A’s catch phrases are the best 😂
SwaggyPGames “diabolical”, “blasphemous”, “The DISRESPECT”!
"Let me tell you something", "BOX OFFICE"
long time
“ I think you’re biased against skinny people “😂💀
Anonymous !!! That’s a immature move on the guy who said that lool, you can’t win a argument saying that lmao
lol he said the freak is skinny 💀💀💀
SAS is desperate for access to KD and his camp.
Thank u!! Finally someone else noticed
No he's actually been pretty consistent when it comes to Kevin Durant
You know if he's going to the Knicks he'd better have access
A Nigga that Loves to Hate or he’s just stating the obvious?
Black Shades Johnny Cage did you catch his remarks about Durant awhile back discussing his reporting accuracy? Durant called him out saying “He never spoke to SAS about certain topics making stuff up!’ SAS WENT OFF! Ever since then, SAS has been kissing his @ss!
Max is right about Giannis. Stephen A. right about Durant.
Gregory Itsthatman Smith Jr kd is better he actually has rings has two finals mvps
Giannis is not better than KD
Lil JOHN yeah I agree kd is clearly better he has two rings and two finals mvps the Greek freak is not on kds level
@@chrisrenshaw8529 Giannis has a ring and a fmvp lol
We gonna act like KD didn’t go 10/31 and 12/32 in Game 5 and Game 6 of 2016 WCF?? Where the hell was the “best scorer in basketball,” “the cold blooded killer Assassin that LeBron can never be” then??? SMH KD is excellent no doubt abt it but ppl always wanna bring up moments where LeBron didn’t show up in the playoffs almost 10 years ago and gloss over what KD been doing recently?
PUT KD ON THE CAVS LAST YR I GUARANTEE YOU THEY DONT MAKE IT OUT OF THE FIRST ROUND! In the games Steph hasn’t played, the Warriors are barely .500. I’m sick of this narrative that just because Durant gets 2 Finals MVPs suddenly erases all his shortcomings in multiple playoff moments.
I can’t wait till KD is on another team next year and barely gets to the playoffs and starts bricking all his shots. Keep that same “cold blooded LeBron usurper” mentality then fools
Kevin The King DESTROYER DURANT
KD has lead the thunder to the playoffs every year and been to 4 WCF appearances and 1 Finals appearance. IN THE WEST.
You're just mad bc Lechoke got his ass busted in back to back Finals by KD and ain't sniffing another Finals appearance. Stay mad.
Lmao do u want me to mention 2011 Bron and 2014 Bron ? Don’t start that bull shit
Mon Gu Son 2014 LeBron was good you fucking moron, his team wasnt up to par due to injuries and other shortcomings. 2011 LeBron is a story everyone knows because thats all niggas talk about. This is what we’re talking about.. no one speaks about KD’s failures
@@stoppingcurchokefanssince2184 His team? Lmfao since when Lebron dont have a team?
This conversation will be much more fun next year....
When KD & Kyrie are on the knicks exposing all the media that’s been saying KD had to join with GS to beat Lebron and that Kyrie needed Lebron to win
My own is simple:
CAN KD win WITHOUT Steph Curry???🤔🤔🤔
Ikenna Obodozie can Steph win without KD? I mean in 2015 KD was owning the warriors but he had a season ending surgery. As great as he was in 2016 he wasn’t performing like the reigning mvp. I like Steph. He’s my 2nd favorite player but GSW won their first title when KD was hurt. I just know that they haven’t lost since they got KD.
Get It! Work A Lot! You don’t know basketball
Can Lebron win without throwing teammates for more superstar behind him?
Can Curry win without Kyrie getting injured in 2015?
Danny Jones dude. Hahahaha! 3-7.
When Stephen a said max needa be drug tested max was salty asl
KD is playing with two of the three greatest shooters of all time IN THEIR PRIME, 3 of the best defenders in the league( Klay, Green, IGGY), all of which have won DOTY awards, one of the three best big man in the game( Cousins), and we're seriously praising Durant averaging close to 30 ppg in this freaking team. Which all star couldn't do that!!??!! Also, KD defended Lebron late in the game, after Klay, Iggy, and green had worn him out for three quarters, AND STILL averaged more than Durant.
Aaron Valdez how about you actually watch a game instead of reading stats ?
So he was greater avaraging over 30 ppg in okc but now because he has a better team suddenly hes not great.
@@mikee3261 Or in this case false stats...
Yeah that's what makes KD great cause with a power house team, the ball needs to be shared. So to score 30ppg you need to be an efficient scorer and that's what he does.
Facts
Giannis hasn’t proved anything, KD took a young OKC team to the finals when he was 23
Dude he’s young in 5 years Giannis is going to be the best player in the NbA
But he still was up 3-1...🤷🏾♂️
Curry Chicken and choked
You mean Westbrook took that team to the finals
DON PEEWEE and now he’s a 2 time champion and FMVP
Last year max said Ad is best player in the league even the beginning of this season he said that and now he changing his words lmfaooo 💀😑😂🤦🏻♂️
PRETTY FLACKO can a man not change his opinion over time in the face of player improvement and league progression? Smh
Dave Arden Facts!!
This dude max is the same guy talking about Kyler Murray and Tua all year and then jumped on the Trevor Lawrence bandwagon after the national championship.
Max be like that
Stephen A : Max, you throw out a buncha 'IFs', let's talk about what is ...
also Stephen A : What IF KD has the ball in his hands chose to ...
They act like Steph is not one of the greateat of all time
Vishal Raul not even top 20 yet.
@@nathaniellange9526 Who makes "the list"?? smh!!
Vishal Raul Jordan, lebron, Kareem, magic, Larry, Hakeem, jerry west, wilt, russel, Shaq, Kobe, Tim Duncan, Scottie pippin, David Robinson, Oscar Robertson, Havlicek, KD, Elgin Baylor, Isaiah Thomas, Clyde drexler, Malone, I could go on, but I’m not sure what you define as greatness, but I think it’s all encompassing, on and off the court impact, as well as how good they Could stand against peers, mostly head to head against their peers, like curry couldn’t beat anyone on my list of players besides maybe jerry west, but that isn’t the deciding factor by itself.
@@nathaniellange9526 I've seen a lot of guys like you
I ain't suprised
I bet you haven't even seen majority of the faces you named
Greatness??
Steph curry revolutionised the modern Nba, is the leader of arguably the best dynasty of all time, 2x league mvp, 3time champ, Greatest shooter of all time and the biggest reason Lebron(the 2nd best acc to you) hasn't won more championships
Nochallengetho I literally said it wasn’t the deciding part, just a factor, you idiot, read the full comment next Time before you try to sound off on someone like you’re smart, you’re an idiot with no knowledge on the sport, you probably didn’t even play it. There’s a reason players think Kobe is better than lebron, iso is a great skill in the game, not as important now, but for the majority of the games existence it has been, so it is important. Fucking idiot
If Durant is all that why in the world is he still stacking the deck with the Warriors? Let him go carry a team the way Giannis is trying to do them we can see who the successor to the crown really is.
Rubben Delgado
Carry his team to what? Lmfaoo
The last player to carry his team to the finals as the only superstar on a team is Dirk in 2011 when they washed Lebron. LMFAO you really thought carrying a team in the east just to get smacked in the finals was it 💀
Elton Francis bruh don’t ever talk about basketball again omg fans can’t be that low in iq
KD made the Finals before joining GS. Let Giannis AT LEAST do that before trying to compare him to guys like Lebron and KD.
Giannis isn't carrying at all, he has a great support crew around him. without Giannis his team would be well over .500
GIANNIS HASNT EVEN PROVED HIMSELF IN THE PLAYOFFS YET WHAT????
Anyone who knows basketball knew KD was one of the top 5 players in the league before he went to GS. So, answer this question, has KD really done anything different from his OKC days until now? Marginally, but what player wouldnt when they join a much better team? The only real difference between then and now is that he joined an ALL-TIME record setting team! He hasnt really done anything different! So while he is still one of the best, he shouldnt be in the conversation as the best. If you didn't think he was the best then dont claim that sh1t now when hes NO DIFFERENT! He has a considerably amount of less pressure on him in comparison to other stars in the league. And to top it off....he isnt even the best on his team! Its Curry.
lol no just...no.since 2014-15 curry TEAM was better.kd is the superior player(closer than most think too)just like why i argue kd being the best for the fact people like to bring up that kd lost to that 2016 warriors TEAM forgetting they(gs) have 3 allstars!!!Guess what the cavs had,3 allstars!!!!okc only had two stars 3 beats two on top of the fact the warrors and cavs had a better bench than okc.
@@joshliggins2260 Even if all that's true, then why does KD deserve consideration for best player? If anything, your argument weakens any reason for him to be considered the best. Before LBJ won his ships he was considered the best. KD has never been considered the best, but now because he joined the best possible team any player in the history of the NBA could have he's in consideration as the best? GTFOH.
Just because yall let Lebron off the Hook when he went to Miami AND THEN BACK to Cleveland with Kyrie & Love only to exile Kyrie & plea for a Team full of All-Stars which we all know would never work! Dont throw shade on KD because he did his 10 year bid in OKC & moved on! AD crying for the same opportunity but nobody is bashing him going to LA.
KD is 2-1 v.s Lebron in the Finals! Let that marinate.
@@haywood0457 he was considered the best in 2014 when he won his mvp(they had been saying he was close to passing him for years). tons of individuals felt kd in that season he got injured was poised to finally pass bron but he injured his foot and the warriors took off.most people forget that kd used to go off on the warriors everytime they played.
In the NBA Finals, the year the Cavs won and even when they lost, Kyrie played better than Curry and Klay.
Kyrie carried Cleveland to win the championship idk where Max is getting his points from
Curry also was injured during that series.......most people forget that
@@macanthonyonyirimba3096 this is the dumbest thing i've ever read
Max was speaking facts...sorry SAS🤷🏿♂️
Tbh
Durant took himself out of this discussion when he Joined a Championship 73-9 team. No heart.
Alvin Yates But they didn’t win the championship. You can win 82-0, the playoffs matter the most. The 73-9 argument is so dumb.
@@MOMa40 you must be a Durant sympathizer. They had the best regular season record ever, they won the title the year before. The team has an MVP in his prime Steph, top shooter and Defender of All time Klay, true leader and DFPY Draymond and Durant an MVP top 2 player in the whole league decides to turn his back on his comrades and join the team whole eliminated him all because he couldn't close them out after being up 3-1? Softest biggest cowardly move in the history of pro sports!!!!! Plus he never talked now he talks trash with a loaded team... he is no champion he a superstar wagon jumper with asterisks next to those awards! He is a great player without doubt but also a man with no country meaning team he plays for or city and worst no honor.
@@alvinyates8525 everything u said is completely dumb asf, first off if he was a band wagon jumper he wouldn't be mvp of the finals 2 times in a row, yes warriors have all time regular season record but lets not get it twisted jordan chicago bulls was the all time best team 72-10 with winning the championship under 7 games plus the draymond discussion is irrelevant he is so trash the guy is GARBAGE CAN'T AVG 10 PGG TO SAVE HIS LIFE. & the first finals durant was carry & outplaying lebron wen it matter most lebron had 2 allstars on his team like kd had & lets not get into how kyrie irving outplays steph in every finals & plus lebron had kevin love who is a walking double double. If u the so called best player in the world y he couldnt get it done game 3 in his house ? Kd definitely deserves more respect. & also he plays better defense than lebron, shoot better from 3 & mid range, better handle, almost 90% for freethrow shooting, & is a better teammate💯. Lets debate
@@MacManDrew you do realize he wouldnt have any rings or final mvps without steph and klay right? 🤣. He had a chance to do that with russ against lebron and wade and he didnt close the deal. That's the equivalent of lebron joining the mavs after the finals to what kd did stop trying to excuse a bitch move
@@teamgrinders9152 ok u really tryna go there i can say the same 4 lebron cuz he was getting swept & knocked out the playoffs be4 comin to play with a super team (heat) & then join cavs who had a walkin double kevin love, & kyrie irvin who is a top 2 or 3 pg. Like every player needs help & dont say kd couldnt get it done cuz he showed up only player that was decent on his team was Westbrook & i can say the same for lebron why he couldnt get it done goin against kd warriors 1st year? Y he get swept for the 2nd time in his career? One thing kd neva had was get swept & he has played in a harder conference his entire carrer, lebron team always was the best team in the east. So with that being said put some respect on my nigga kd name
They just want too see LeBron downfall 😂
They are Le3-6 dick riders. The fuck you smoking?
LIKE BRADY SMFH STRAIGHT BLASHPHEMYIN
@@zay7443 im a simple man, you go to caLifornia, i hate.
Tf u talking about they suck his dick everyday
And we’re watching it as it happens ur point
How you going to say “don’t give me if’s” and then ask a what if question 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Stephan a is just a bully😂😂
True and it really puts me off. Max on the other hand makes his argument and tries to keep it professional & respectful. SAS tries to make Max look like a fool when you can clearly hear what his argument is. You know when you begin to hold your forehead and not argue your point out without being disrespectful to me you have no points to support your narrative and Max always does........
@@boscod73 stfu lmfao you watch it though. Max brings up stat after stat after stat. Need will cain instead honestly.
@@boscod73 By far Max dumbest argument.Giannis will not surpassed Kevin Durant if he wins championship the disrespect from Max Kellerman.I see why Stephen A.Smith acted unprofessional.
Broo😂😂 he def is the shows energy source...I usually agree with Max but I love Stephan A
@@princetigerbeatz9316 bit when shaq and barkley said than giannis is maybe the best in the world its okay???
Max Kellerman smash S.A.S when he mentioned how K.D couldn't close the warriors and LeBron did.
Literally 7 other players could have done what kd did after joining a 73 win team (which beat him btw).If giannis does that, he deserves the title, not kd.
Thank you. Been saying this. Id up that list to at least 20 players who could have came in and replaced Barnes. Thank you. Someone who feels me.
Proof? KD did it and no one else will most likely have that chance. This makes no sense, bunch of if's with nothing but feelings mixed in
Really? Who's taking the game over when Curry and Klay doesn't show up like in Game 3 of the last 2 finals? People are really underestimating KD's play.
@@PSarks nobody underestimating him. Nobody in their right disregards him as one of the best. Hes just not the best. And on the same token, whose taken over when hes struggled? Exactly, curry thompson. At the end of the day, the engine that runs the Ws begins and ends w curry.
So who else in the nba could average 28 plus on a team with 4 allstars
I think MAX has something against KD. He gives KD no love.
Coz he a snake
Because he's a little bitch
Durant is a great player but it's easier to be great when you're flanked by four other players who are Top 30 players in the NBA.
Paul V kevin was great before he joined the warriors. He putting up big time numbers with scrub offensive players.
Max speaking facts
Did max watch KD’s 2014 season like at all
Andwele Castleberry did he win against Lebron before GSW tho?
Did you watch Durant against the warriors in 2016 after blowing a 3-1 lead and choking in game 7? Facts... Facts!!!!!
@dboyBR225
Did you watch MJ in 88, 89, and 1990 playoffs against the pistons? What happened to MJ all 3 years?
@dboyBR225 lmfao yeah but then he didn't leave miami to go to dallas. Or go to boston from cleveland. It's not the same, so don't make it like it's the same.
dboyBR225 Yes he did tf he had Westbrook, Ibaka, Steven Adams, Dion Waiters which at that time was a good ass player and he also had Roberson which is one of the best perimeter defender in the league lol and remember KD was the reason why they lost in 2016 he shot bad from the field in game 5 and game 6
As a Lebron fan I 💯 agree with max that giannis will be the best player by next year at the minimum and that he can be the goat if he get a jump shot
To be honest i would love to see a KD and Giannis rivalry in the nba when Lebron ages especially if Giannis gets a jumper
@@dewaynethegoat3346 but kd is aging hes 30 years old while giannis is only 24 in 4 years, when giannis reaches his peak at 28 KD is gonna be a whole 34 years old, and not everyone is like lebron and jordan, ill be suprised if anyone is as good as kobe, lebron, and jordan were at an age thats 32 +
Mike ferrari Ferrari yea that goes without saying he need those rings but he is literally unstoppable
Lebron is not the best anymore, get over it. Giannis, KD, Steph, Harden, PG13 are better.
@@abdiy6418 WHAT????
Max QUICK to point out KD teammates when facing LeBron THEN refer to KD OKC team that lost the 3-1 lead with ONE other star THEN Max says LeBron beat that same team KD lost to but fail to mention LeBron had TWO other stars when he did it while KD only had one 🤔🤔🤔
Tonio5100 cause kevin is a huge star lmao if kevin love was a star than so is stephen adam
@@guillermogomez2811 Steven Adams NEVER made a single all star team..... Kevin Love has made several so it's no comparison.... If that's the case how many stars are on LeBron Lakers team this year 🤔🤔🤔
What are yall talking about the had Ibaka Nd Westbrook Nd had them 3-1 kd choked their no if ands or buts about it... then kd has never had a team like lebrons wen kyrie left ever even kd knows who the best is
Tonio5100 what 😂😂😂 okc only had one superstar but they was up 3-1 in the finals against the best team nba history you high bro 😂😂😂🤔
@@devaughnwoods5621 when has Ibaka ever been better than Kevin Love??? 🤔 NEVER ok cool glad we got that established..... Westbrook & KD 2 stars had them down 3-1 when LeBron only had ONE other star he got swept.... End of discussion
Watching this back again, and this is an all-time great First Take Segment. This is such a good debate, and the points made about KD have been proven by the last 4 years of basketball.
This is the guy who was saying "AD WILL SURPASS LeBron this season but now he's saying Giannis will"???
KD35Beast lol don’t act like players don’t have breakout years, analyst jobs are to predict, and max is one of the better analyst in this case cause he changed his stance as the season went on, AD clearly won’t surpass lebron this season and within recent memory max hasn’t said that, since maybe before the season started to a few games in. The players change and with it the opinions of the analyst.
@@nathaniellange9526 Then he need to acklowledges he WAS WRONG before putting up something else. I do remember Max did say AD was becoming the best player in the league at the beginning of the season. I do not mind people change their mind, but when they sweep it under the carpet like nothing ever happened and STILL acting like they have been right all along. Thats a PROBLEM.
tigera6 I don’t believe he is acting like he’s been right, cause he would be digging his own grave if he ever voiced that opinion, and since he hasn’t not many people have your same opinion, but also by him changing his position in the first place admits defeat on his original point, so he doesn’t really need to state it
@@nathaniellange9526 He always act like a smart-ass, being analytical and all that, while what he does is changing his narrative to whatever fit the current situation. He said Lebron was by far better than everyone else by miles, even went to say Lebron = Steph + KD, then he said AD will surpass Lebron, then now Giannis will be the best player in the NBA, how about KD is not even a top 5 NBA player while saying his move to the GS was stacking the deck to their favor.
This is just about the NBA, and not about the damn prediction that Tom Brady is falling of the Cliff that has went on for YEARS.
This man is just a waste of time and full of excuse. He is straight out dumb and most importantly INCONSISTENT all the damn time. But he always says his point with such confident that he never get things wrong before. I am suprised SAS has not checked him out on those point, maybe he was not allowed to by the Producer.
tigera6 or maybe because SAS understand that opinions are fluid and memory is short. Max doesn’t have the time in air to think of every word he has said, and he definitely doesn’t have the time correct himself every time. Bottom line is this: if you can’t realize he is changing his opinion and admiring defeat without saying “I was wrong” you’re trying too hard to dislike the guy. His job is to be entertaining and to give his opinion. As for the basketball end of this. AD has missed many games this year and is on a team that doesn’t like him anymore and the feeling is mutual. Giannis has been having a crazy year and rightfully so is in the conversation for best in the league. Somethings you can’t predict. And KD has been a top 5 player and within the next year or so he’ll be back again, if only for a year or so. Just because he’s not exactly in the top 5 doesn’t mean moving to a stacked team as the 6th best player doesn’t make it more stacked. When he moved to GS they had 3 of the top 15 players in the league, 2 of the top 3 or 4 (at the time it was clearly lebron curry KD, maybe Kawhi). Clearly that makes it more stacked.
KD is better than Giannis plain and simple. Giannis is nasty, but he's no KD
Chief Miyagi he just a better shooter but he not better than Giannis you drawling
@@LORDxVELORE KD is better... Giannis is still young and need time to grow to be considered better than KD or Lebron.
Giannis is better
sparkfirehot bro all he needs to do is learn how to shoot and maybe handle the ball better but Giannis after lebron james is the best player in the league and he will be better than lebron
These niggas are so stupid. KD is a better scorer, passer, and as good a rebounder as the Greek freak. He's also a better defender and nearly as athletic driving to the basket. Let's not forget he's a clutch player. People will bring up the 3-1 loss, but the dude has been a clutch player his entire career.
Until giannis makes it to the ECF or finals it's not even close because he's hasn't proven nothing but giannis is a top player that's gotta be respected tho
Michael Jordan Preach man, preach! 🙏
How did you feel about kd before joining the warriors
Pierre Dorsey um he won the mvp award he’s a 4x scoring champion. 50/40/90 club led his team to the finals in the west against the spurs. Y even ask this question giannis is nowhere near what kd was before he joined the warriors and even now that he joined the warriors the fact he’s averaging the same as giannis minus rebounds with curry klay and now boogie is crazy imagine him being the number 1 scoring option they numbers wouldn’t be close
Michael Jordan exactly people are really overrating him it’s crazy
I cant wait ethier kd gonna average 40 a game
why people bring up KDs 35 ppg in the 2017 NBA Finals like he outplayed LeBron when LeBron averaged 33-12-10 with a better field goal percentage
Man must be so hard to outplay The Cavs when Warriors were already a Finals ready team. Also LeBron had to play every minute of the game or Cavs instantly lose while KD could take breaks without worrying if the Warriors would lose.
It's not even the same standard KD had it much easier than LeBron
Because his free throw percentages were trash
Hiei Jaganshi whose fault is that
@Saul:
Because Stupid A. Smith is biased as fuck.
Nobody can stop lebron regardless, but kd showed he can’t be guarded
KD went against Lebron in the finals with no pressure on his back because his team was highly favored by a wide margin so of course he’s gonna show up. Why didn’t he show up when he was facing pressure against golden state and he blew a 3-1 lead. Until I see him perform under pressure then I’ll accept him as the best player in the world. Rn it’s still Lebron
Pathetic. Yall Are Lame.. if Ur Still Sad LeBron Got Ran Out His Home By Kevin Durant!! You're A Straight Loser Nigga!! Fact! 🤣🤣 LeSwept!! Kd Told Lebron Get Tf Outta CleveLand Bitch! P***YNIGGA!! AND LEHELP RAN AWAY!! AGAIN!! 🤣 BOW TO THE KING DESTROYER! THE NEW GOD! KEVIN DURANT!! BACK2BACK! ITS OVER! CRY ABOUT IT BITCHES!! WARRIORS! LeSuperTeamCreator DIED! ITS DONE! 😉🏆🏆
Lebron not having a Team is LEBRON'S FAULT!!! Did Yall forget???? KD pulled a Bron on Bron! Who yall think yall foolin?
KD scored 35pts in that Finals elimination game against Lebron's Heat team! But we ignored that?? He showed up!!!! When tf have you ever seen KD not show up??? AGAIN, KD HAS AVERAGE 27 PPG SINCE COLLEGE! NOBODY HAS STOPPED HIM FROM GETTING 27 OR BETTER SINCE COLLEGE! You fucking ducks are haters FrFr! But dont even know that your hating & why your hating? Smh.
facts!
Godson Derosena west conference finals
Max uses “ IF “ way too much ! You gotta DO IT first max !
"fate of the universe on the line"
*"I think your bias to skinny people"*
-Stephen A. Smith
Usually I'm on the side of Max Kellerman, and I also do not like KD's decision to join the Warriors in the slightest. However the things he's saying about KD are straight untrue:
1. KD is getting extra credit for joining a team where he cannot be double teamed.
-This ignores the fact that KDs game was basically identical in the playoffs for the Thunder and he was giving teams basically the same kind of work
2. KD cannot lead a team when Steph's not there.
-Excuse me! Did we just forget about KD's whole MVP season, where he lead the team without Westbrook and his help running the offence came from a very young and inexperienced backcourt of Reggie Jackson and Jeremy Lamb.
Every time Max makes a great point, SAS just ignores it lmao
This was incredibly entertaining, Max made Stephen A look like he hasn't watched a game of basketball in his life, love it
Max is right KD is playing with two of the greatest shooters of all time. A team that already had 73 Wins in a season. Can't be #2 but definitely top 5.
Question if KD is so great.. why is he never discussed in the greatest of all time debate?? I always hear the argument Jordan or Kobe,
Jordan or LeBron, jordan or magic or whoever but NEVER Jordan or KD.... I just wanna know (p.s I do think KD is ONE of the greatest of all time)
thats what I say bro! I think he's up there, the greatest scorer ever, but ig bc his move to GS and he's kinda younger no one has yet.
I think maybe it because ppl think kd has more to prove.....by next season his name should be in that discussion and also we will really see when kd leaves gsw
Kobe? Lol
He's actually one of the greatest of all time. I dont wanna hear someone yell Kobe because KD is a better scorer. The greatest scorer, he can really score for nowhere and is too efficient
@@gadtsh401 Kobe is greater than KD the problem is Kobe actually played defense while KD is average or awful at that end.
Keep talking crazy like that Max and KD will defiantly not join the Knicks just to spite you😂
justaction max isn’t a Knick fan anymore 🤣
Max lowkey won this debate
The year kd won mvp Westbrook was injured with a acl tore whole year
I told yall max be smoking them moonrocks 😂😂😂
KD is the best right now
Alp Merdin L
*Where Giannis Rank Among NBA players right now?*
Spends entire video talking about KD and Lebron 🤦♂️
Giannis is the 5th best NBA player
It’s like people can’t say both lebron and kd are all time greats
Max literally said a week ago LeBron is ahead of everybody BY A MILE. I do think Giannis is better than lebron rn but at least be consistent
Giannis is better defensively. That’s it
@@darindthomas so he isn't also a better rebounder (13 a game) and scorer (27 a game) and better foul shooter (71%)....all while playing three less minutes a game....
He said Giannis is the 2nd best player. He didn't specify by how much. Truth is it's REALLY hard to place KD because he's in a team with Steph, Clay and god damn Boogie Cousins. If he was anywhere else he'd be having better numbers for sure, but would more points for him translate into wins? We just can't know.
Tony Bowyer if you really think Giannis is better than Bron it shows your bias
@@darindthomas so anyone that doesn't worship Lebron is biased now? Or has it always been that way?
6:11
(Not) rare footage of Stephen A Smith getting burried on live television with straight facts.
This is simple if the jumpshot comes then yes if not then no. He’s number 1 if he had it but he’s 5th or 6th cuz he doesn’t have it.
Iceman GG 5th or 6th? I’m not even a big giannis fan and I think you underrating him a little. I mean it’s mainly opinion in the top 5
1. lebron
2. Kd(you could say 1 because Lebron plays no defense)
3. Curry
4. Giannis
5. Pg
Just my opinion ig you could put him at 5 but I can’t see him at 6.
This was a list I put on another video.
1. Lebron
2. KD
3. Curry
4. Harden
5. Giannis
6. AD
7. Kawhi
8. Paul George
etc. With 4 and 5 and 7 and 8 being total toss ups. For me if Giannis proves himself these playoffs he'll move up to 4. And for PG, if he avoids the disappearing acts he's had in the post season this year he's move past Kawhi as the best 2 way player in the league.
If you mean a mid range post fadeaway, then yes, but i would rather he not try to hard developing a 3 point jumpshot. The last thing the bucks need is for him sitting on the perimeter, settling for low percentage shots. His game right now is almost perfect: Attack the basket aggressively, or keep the ball moving.
Omar Holder
Mine is mainly based on this season so I didn’t want to take into account pg’s and giannis playoff performances. And even though I’m a big harden fan I can’t put him over the others on my list mainly due to his defense.(his post defense has been good but if you’re a guard you have to guard the perimeter)
No hate for your list though not a bad opinion
0:15 ok now i think i'm happy with my life. "n 2 i'mma tell you WAAAA"
Max must've forgotten that KD is a 4 time scoring champion BEFORE he joined GS. KD has been unstoppable
Paul Mic THANK YOU 😂‼️ Max Just A Hater And He Selling TV
Max never forgot that. He speaks like that due to mayority if the people watch this tv show is a fan of Bron. He is a ignorant and pathetic person.
Stephen A is bringing up lifetime achievements, and rings won as the greatest basketball Snake of all time... Agree with Max.
max bringing up the 3-1 lead is a lifetime achievement
Carlos Angeles y’all Lebron fans kill me with that snake crap. Lebron left wade 2 go back 2 Cleveland. He didn’t tell his best friend wade that he was leaving him 2 go back 2 Cleveland in person. He waited until he was on the airplane 2 finally give wade the news. Also he tried 2 get kyrie traded behind his back after kyrie help him 2 win a championship. Lebron is a snake himself.
@@forevermamba_2303 the most ignorant thing in an NBA debate is to asume that everyone that didn't jump in GSW's bandwagon with KD is a LBJ fan... For real, when tha heck was LeBron James mentioned in my comment? Or how did this decade of NBA history is related to who's better right now between Giannis and KD??? Danm these player fanboys and haters are all over the place 🤦🏾♂️
Curry > Durant let curry get injured and see how far GS goes this year. Remember KD joined GSW.
i mean the team is largely 1 dimension with steph out. Klay cant create and draymond cant shoot
Let KD get injured last year & see if the beat the Pelicans or Rockets! You forgot who kepted them afloat while Steph was bitching out? You idiots don't kno shit.
@@itsonlydirt1994 Exactly does he not Know what happened when curry didnt show up in game 3(i think)of finals last year
DEWAYNE THE GOAT that’s one game lol he damn near averaged triple double
Stephen A Smiths Argument
“ you need to be drug tested” nice one
I agree 100% with Mac KD got best shooter ever and second best ever.. they were getting double teamed to the extend that Kd was wide open often. KD is a snake fr man.. 35 points smh he shoulda averaged 45-50 points no cap. Kd is sad and a wuss whats why many call him a snake. He aint and will never be at LeBron level .
Kd was open krkekekeke😂😂😂😂
What happened with lebron in the 2011nba finals 🤔
Christos Tserukos doppelkinn cola flasche öffnen that was 8 years ago he hadn’t even won his first ring yet 😑
so we're mad at KD because of Kerr's genius? He put together a team to where you dont want to double team. Hell, you dont even wanna leave Cousins open either. But one on one, whose stopping KD? .. I'll wait... we've all seen the Greek freak and AD both get trashed trying to guard him. (if u watched the games anyway..) and I was sure AD would give him hell.. Glad I never bet on that. The man is a beast. I cant believe yal are really taking that from him. this man is basically unable to be guarded. Yal some real hating ass muh fuccaz boi
@@p3rryn lol that's what I'm saying. They sit back and they listen to a guy like max that knows nothing about basketball and run with his words. Like LeBron James didn't chase no rings. Most of the time KD had the ball in his hands pull up and splash threes they acting like KD can't play with the ball in his hands. KD is the only dude on the team that's not going to sit around and watch steph dribble the ball all damn game. KD gets the ball push that shit and gets buckets from anywhere. They clearly don't watch basketball
I swear to God KD could average 50/20/20 and haters would still say it’s because he’s on the Warriors and is not impressive.
It is idc
Frostshokula I mean it would be true 🤷🏽♂️ nobody’s impressed by such a feat when you join arguably the best team in NBA History, dawg.. KD gotta lead a team of his own to a Finals victory
I try take up for em but I can't any more max needa be fired 😂😂😂😂
Max always makes Stephen A agree with his point 😂😂 he just walks right into it almost everytime Max is genius
Even though I don't agree, Max did make a good point about no team being able to double KD the same way that they can with Lebron and Giannis.
Anyone would be a fool to double on any Warrior starting 5 tell me I'm lyin
KD dealt with that for 9 years with a 50%fg percentage those are facts use your own damn brain smh
Who back watching this video after the conference finals ?
KD gets way too much credit, it’s Steph’s Team.
Okay ? They went from going to game 7 against the cavs to almost sweeping them . Cause of who ? you nailed it. How many FMVPS curry got ? 0 . How many for KD ? 2.
King Phil even if it was the old team playing the Cavs they would’ve still won some rings it just would’ve been harder without KD. But the same would apply to KD if curry were the one to join the warriors after losing. Any team would go from going 7 games to sweeping the Cavs after adding another superstar. This is actually an awful stance your comment is probably best deleted. Your comment literally helped prove him right. KD gets too much credit. Fat L.
@@kingphil4073 Since you mention mvp, how many durant won when he still on okc? its a big ZERO!!!!! He only won that mvp because he joim GSW. So dont depend your snake because he will not acquire those mvp's if he dont join GSW in the 1st place. Got it???
@@alvindanica Go win a ring with Westbrook
@@alvindanica GSW were the ones recruting him if you didnt know . Durant was able to reach the NBA finals in 2012 but failed to beat LEBRON WADE AND BOSH
These debates are well missed max needs to report back to the show ASAP
did max forget about those 2 three's KD made in game 3 of the finals, TWICE?!
KD is not top 3
Top 5 in the league as of now
1. Durant
2. Giannis
3. Lebron
4. Harden
5. Paul George
Come on man. Curry is in there over Giannis and PG... Curry is 3 behind Lebron.
@@getitworkalot8096 I'm not even mad at that.
The lebron slander has to stop
@@justinasante2571 I'm saying ges a top 3 player today still in his 16th year. Not slander it's a legendary compliment
Yo do know Curry is averaging 28 6 6 right ? If KD is 1 where Tf you put curry ?
Max got Stephen A on this one
When sas starts stuttering you KNOW he’s about to go off 😂
Stephen A Smith been slurping KD since KD's mom came on the show
Y'all really take it too far on a personal level when it comes to sports
Nobody’s never won a 7 game series by themselves idgaf who it is yea KD joined a good team that didn’t need him, but KD is top 3 most efficient scorer ever and is best in league rn....... Skill>Decision Get over it he’s a top 10 goat anyday lol
In teens of skills top 5 like, MJ, kareem, lebum and hakeem
I agree about KD being nice but he joined the greatest team at the time weak move. If he was nobody it wouldn't matter
Giannis is the most unstopable force in basketball
Metalilias Liakos Kawhi Leonard: “I don’t think so.”
yeah? 🤣🤣
I love this show steph a. goin in on max😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
KD arguably is the best in the game take into account that he’s on a star studded team, if he’s a lone wolf on a team he’s killing on the court
Jaskaran Singh if he's a lone wolf on the court he's getting double teamed. Get your basketball IQ up sir.
Where was he when curry went down?
@@bellegarde7822 You do realize that he faced double teams damn near every night since his 3rd season in the league playing for OKC right??..and still won 4 scoring titles!!! 😂😂😂
Aliaon Clark but did he win any rings? Get your basketball IQ up sir.
@@bellegarde7822 your original argument was about double teams, not winning rings...but I'll oblige.
2017 Finals LeBron: 34 ppg, 12 reb, 10 ast... Did Durant play defense?🤷🏾♂️🤣
Kd average 35.2 8.2 5.4 did lbj play defense?
lebron kept asking for screens. when kd guarded him one v one it was clamp time
@@sevenknights8943 so lebron was able to average 1 less point but twice the assists while KD was doing what? I'd take lebron stat line anytime
@@mugiwarasan23 I'd take the winner everytime sorry leBum
@@emporal5563 well duh everybody wants to win but that's not just him (add 3 other all star's stat lines as well). I'd take the chip too lol
So lebron has 3 championships,4 mvps,went to the finals 8 straight times,in y’all talk about this giannis guy what’s wrong with people now days...
yasmany young flow and yusimyt bolanos lebron been in the nba longer Giannis is still growing
Fredrick Williams yes that’s why giannis should not be mentioned at all now...
They're talking about right now, not all-time. This isnt 2014 bron we are talking about.
Michael Steil yea not even now lebrons shot is better....
@@YasmanyR I'd agree, I'd say everything else is up for discussion though
Max ain’t wrong
'You need to be drug tested immediately'. Stephen A. is a savage dude.
😭😭 then he starts talking about his own hairline.. He's a superr savagee hahaha
Stephen “No fucks given” A Smith 😂😂😂