I Try to Rank the Top 30 Defensemen in the NHL

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  • @LSA30
    @LSA30 Год назад +439

    Covering a hotly-debated topic while on vacation so he doesn’t have to see all the controversy? Brilliant move, Shannon!

    • @mitchstarr
      @mitchstarr Год назад +8

      ​@@mannyoliveira776Kris Letang was snubbed on THG list

    • @LetsTalkHockey9
      @LetsTalkHockey9 Год назад

      @@mannyoliveira776Morgan Rielly

    • @spartannige3296
      @spartannige3296 Год назад +1

      @@mannyoliveira776Jonas Brodin needs to be there. One of the most underrated defensemen out there.

    • @loganm4983
      @loganm4983 Год назад

      THG's RUclips IQ is off the charts

    • @duck.2849
      @duck.2849 Год назад +1

      @@mannyoliveira776Hughes at 16? no shot lmao!

  • @drexium4190
    @drexium4190 Год назад +303

    An even 30:00 on a Top 30 list. So Satisfying.

  • @whatwespinning
    @whatwespinning Год назад +312

    Devon Toews is quite the snub. He slots in over a number of these players IMO.

    • @meke7777
      @meke7777 Год назад +24

      Yep, slots easily over most of the guys in 21-30. I was thinking during the top 10 surely Toews can't be this high, but he is still not on the list.

    • @chanses7576
      @chanses7576 Год назад +37

      Absolutely CRIMINAL to look over Toews on this list lol. Easily in the 15-20 range.

    • @MIchaelMiii
      @MIchaelMiii Год назад +4

      Hopefully Shannon doesn't see this comment, it'll ruin his vacation.

    • @Oxmosh
      @Oxmosh Год назад +3

      @@chanses7576 go make your own list, thank you

    • @chanses7576
      @chanses7576 Год назад +7

      @Oxmosh notice how the most commented thing on this video is Devon Toews being left off. Almost like it's a very common opinion that Devon Toews is a top D man in the league.

  • @AstroTrain100
    @AstroTrain100 Год назад +225

    Pietrangelo is very underrated because he is so well rounded. Blues were never the same after he left.

    • @bgduqc6876
      @bgduqc6876 Год назад +14

      Easy top 15 for me

    • @chrisg1556
      @chrisg1556 Год назад +9

      If they were to pick team Canada today he would be on the top pairing. Hes easily better than most of the guys in the top ten on this list.

    • @jrodjdcollectibles5930
      @jrodjdcollectibles5930 Год назад +21

      Agreed. Way too low on this list. Stanley cup in St. Louis. Leaves and goes to win another with Vegas. Def has the pedigree.

    • @jackl52
      @jackl52 Год назад

      Agreed.

    • @RandomPlaceHolderName
      @RandomPlaceHolderName Год назад +13

      @@jrodjdcollectibles5930 He lead both teams in playoffs minutes during those cup runs too.

  • @frankhaula
    @frankhaula Год назад +12

    I've been watching you religiously for at least four years and I can't say that I've ever been this surprised. The fact that you would leave Devon Toews out of your top 30 list is truly mindboggling.

  • @nathanbulla1
    @nathanbulla1 Год назад +134

    And you somehow made it EXACTLY 30 minutes. Slow clap…

  • @ZackTheKack
    @ZackTheKack Год назад +55

    Cale at 1 makes sense. I think Byram and Toews will definitely be top 30 if everyone stays healthy. The avalanche blue line is ridiculous.

    • @seanhartel5362
      @seanhartel5362 Год назад +11

      Toews is already top 30. Makar doesn’t have the freedom he has on the blueline without Toews

    • @ZackTheKack
      @ZackTheKack Год назад

      @@seanhartel5362 i agree. But not everyone else does.

    • @MrPhilYelle
      @MrPhilYelle Год назад +1

      Byram can't even finish an entire season. He's not top 30.

    • @seanhartel5362
      @seanhartel5362 Год назад +3

      @@MrPhilYelle the guy literally said, “if everyone stays healthy.” Can you read?

    • @MrPhilYelle
      @MrPhilYelle Год назад

      @@seanhartel5362 yes i can and i see all seasons incomplete. It's not a likely scenario that Byram finishes an entire season. Hence hes maybe top 50 defense in the league

  • @spencergiles4247
    @spencergiles4247 Год назад +135

    How is Devon Toews not on this list???

    • @jefflarson1652
      @jefflarson1652 Год назад +4

      You mean the best defenseman on the Avalanche? Kind of shocking.

    • @biffdanielson2820
      @biffdanielson2820 Год назад +12

      Because Shannon is still bitter about the move from Quebec.

    • @kschro03
      @kschro03 Год назад +6

      Toews in the 31-35 range

    • @Catho90
      @Catho90 Год назад +2

      It's come to my attention that Shannon doesn't rate Toews very highly. After Toews arrival in Colorado, Shannon made a projected line-up for the Avs and kept Toews out of it. When asked if he forgot Toews, Shannon replied with a "No". At this point I think he's rating him this lowly to save face.

    • @4u2nvHock3y
      @4u2nvHock3y Год назад +1

      The best defensive defenseman definitely not best defenseman. That goes to makar.

  • @LA-ly9mq
    @LA-ly9mq Год назад +255

    It's criminal that Devon Toews is not on this list. He may not be top 5, or even top 10, but he is DEFINITELY top 30.

    • @J5Bomb
      @J5Bomb Год назад +11

      RIGHT!!??? I was just thinking the same thing, absolutely criminal not to have him on here, I would put him easily around 25

    • @didjano
      @didjano Год назад +10

      It's funny because as an isle I thought man, this guy has potential to be an amazing offensive defenseman lol. Then he becomes the defensive conscience of a cup winner

    • @Clappincardboard
      @Clappincardboard Год назад +7

      I kept watching thinking he’s got to be on here and then noooppppeee.

    • @JT-yl9yt
      @JT-yl9yt Год назад +7

      As a Sabres fan I have no idea how Power made the list tbh he wasn't even as good as Samuelsson for the Sabres.

    • @johnsinglet575
      @johnsinglet575 Год назад +8

      This. As someone who thinks Toews sometimes gets overated as a top 10 dman by some, he's unequivocally a top 30 dman. No debate.

  • @joev953
    @joev953 Год назад +143

    As a Pens fan I’m sad to see Letang didn’t make the list. Although he is getting up there

    • @nneichan9353
      @nneichan9353 Год назад +2

      yeah me too

    • @Seegster77
      @Seegster77 Год назад +27

      Hes not really dropping off production wise. He understandably dropped off last season considering what he went through. But the season before last was one of his best. 68 points +20.

    • @lelouchvibritannia4028
      @lelouchvibritannia4028 Год назад +15

      Dude came back from two strokes. Might not be among the best, but certainly is one of the toughest.

    • @Mattyice6969
      @Mattyice6969 Год назад +8

      NO TANGER? NO TOEWS?

    • @gablefisk-govphost817
      @gablefisk-govphost817 Год назад +6

      It was as if a million Yinzers cried out in pain, and were suddenly silenced...

  • @johnsinglet575
    @johnsinglet575 Год назад +30

    Solid list overall (not easy to do).
    My nitpicks:
    -Toews should be on the list
    -Letang should be on lower range of list
    -Morrisey way too high
    -Hamilton a bit high
    -Dobson is honorable mention
    -Slavin should be a bit higher

    • @JohnSmith-jb2jf
      @JohnSmith-jb2jf Год назад +4

      Letang was arguably the Pens MVP in 2021 and 2022. Also the best defensive defenseman on the team during those years.
      Last year was a step back for sure, but let's see if that's the new norm.

    • @YoYoYoYoYoYoPeace
      @YoYoYoYoYoYoPeace Год назад

      Letang was criminal

    • @diggergeensen860
      @diggergeensen860 Год назад +1

      Morrissey is a top 5 defenceman in the NHL. The Jets started out that Vegas series in a very competitive manner. We all saw what took place after Josh went down to injury. Winnipeg had no answer to the Vegas attack without him.

    • @goon8058
      @goon8058 Год назад

      Don't mind the Morrisey take but not sure how much lower I'd drop him. Slavin, Pietroangelo, Rielly, Werenski are all around similar levels as Morrissey. He could use an upgrade as a partner since Trouba left Winnipeg's been missing another top 2 defensemen, probably biggest hole on the team is that position. Demelo, Pionk, Dillon Sanderson and Schmidt are more of a number 4 defensemen maybe a number 3 at best.

  • @steamr0ll
    @steamr0ll Год назад +10

    Shannon does more work to cover for his vacation than most people do at max effort. I really like these videos even if they make me a little twitchy here and there! Enjoy your holiday Shan!

  • @hellogoodbyeagain
    @hellogoodbyeagain Год назад +8

    Relax guys. Everybody has his own list. This is just for fun. (I love this channel. Shannon has such a positive attitude, even in his (gentle) criticism of players, management, etc. A sports rarity in this internet era).

  • @Oldpucker
    @Oldpucker Год назад +8

    I really like your up front philosophy Shannon about the comment section.
    “I’m on vacation”
    Love this and good for you dude.
    Enjoy

  • @Furcapper
    @Furcapper Год назад +22

    Great list and the only player that got robbed in my opinion is indeed Toews.

  • @Phoenix96886
    @Phoenix96886 Год назад +16

    Slavin needs to be way way higher but other than that, great list

  • @tomasmackenzie5866
    @tomasmackenzie5866 Год назад +12

    Rasmus Andersson not even being an honorable mention is insane

  • @Cacuna
    @Cacuna Год назад +10

    I know people dont like plus minus stats but devon toews is at +120 in the last 3 season +28 ahead of the 2nd place

  • @ericchambers3751
    @ericchambers3751 Год назад +29

    Sanderson will be a top 15 defender in 2 years, the guy is amazing

  • @saintsabbathi
    @saintsabbathi Год назад +15

    What suprized me about Power was, for how old he is... his poise. Looked like a vet out there, no panic in his game.

    • @chrisv384
      @chrisv384 Год назад

      He seems a bit insecure when I look at his games (about 10 or so this season) very solid d-fens but no show in offense.... not very puck friendly.

    • @MrPhilYelle
      @MrPhilYelle Год назад +2

      Sanderson is just as good. One of the most underrated players under age of 25.

    • @salcrino
      @salcrino Год назад

      ​@chrisv384 that will come with time.... defensemen normally mature in the league a little slower. He showed great for a rookie season. Not to mention.... Buffalo doesn't need scoring, we need defense.

    • @4u2nvHock3y
      @4u2nvHock3y Год назад

      Where's Matheson at? Were talking about paces and not mentioning him? He was on pace for 60 points on a trash Habs team and wasn't even playing 1st line for a lot of the time he was healthy. Underrated twd imo. Is he top 30? No. But if owen power apparently is then he could be. I think Matheson deserves an hm though just for his scoring last season. He had the most goals for any dman from all star games to the end. So he's not bad.

  • @Mr-DieHard
    @Mr-DieHard Год назад +60

    As an Isles fan I am shocked two of our defenseman are on this list. I am even more shocked that both of them are not named Adam Pelech. He is our best defenseman by FAR. Our team is a disaster without him.

    • @BTBAMNYI
      @BTBAMNYI Год назад +5

      Agreed. I was waiting for Pelech’s name to come up. He’s our best defenseman and has been for a while now.

    • @20thCenturyManTrad
      @20thCenturyManTrad Год назад +10

      I'm not an Isles fan at all and I thought Pelech belonged here.

    • @MrGerard0406
      @MrGerard0406 Год назад +3

      I personally have Pelech at 33. The next closest Islander is Noah Dobson at 53. But yeah, I do have Pelech as the #1 defenseman for the Islanders.

    • @Mehole29
      @Mehole29 Год назад +1

      @@MrGerard0406pelech is a top 20 bruh

    • @MrGerard0406
      @MrGerard0406 Год назад +2

      @@Mehole29 according to stats, nah

  • @steveciancone8941
    @steveciancone8941 Год назад +1

    Honestly I feel they should make a ‘best defensive player award’ not necessarily a defenseman, could even be a depth forward, just to recognize that side of the game (including blocked shots etc)

  • @ac8274
    @ac8274 Год назад +10

    For the record, I love your list videos

  • @30AndHatingIt
    @30AndHatingIt Год назад +14

    Dahlin is probably more Top 5, but again, opinions. Also wish there was an honorable mention section on this, cause the Sabres without Samuelson lost a TON of games, while seemed to play better while he was in.

  • @domh548
    @domh548 Год назад +47

    The fact devon toews is not only not on the top 10 but not even on this list should be a crime against humanity.

    • @jerbear5312
      @jerbear5312 Год назад +2

      Thank you

    • @fubartotale3389
      @fubartotale3389 Год назад +5

      Chill dude, first it's just a game, second it's one mans opinion.
      Your mileage may vary.
      As a Chicago fan, I can't help but remember that "he who shall not be named"☆ traded him away for nothing.
      ☆Stan Bowman...

    • @jfkst1
      @jfkst1 Год назад +4

      Agreed. Morrissey and Dunn are recency bias selections that wouldn't be top pairing on contenders. Burns and Carlson are defensive liabilities.

    • @MrGerard0406
      @MrGerard0406 Год назад +4

      I'm not an Aves fan but I do have Toews at #2 right behind Makar.

    • @seanr.6596
      @seanr.6596 Год назад +4

      @@MrGerard0406You’re the only person in the world that has him ranked #2 in the nhl

  • @andrewl4162
    @andrewl4162 Год назад +13

    Great list Shannon! As an avs fan, we’ve been spoiled with our current blue line. So glad I get to watch cale get better and better here in Colorado.

  • @NGC-7635
    @NGC-7635 Год назад +13

    People who aren't Wings fans think Seider is overrated but if you actually watch him, he's super smart and effective at his role whenever he's on the ice. If the puck ends up in his own net when he's out there it's very rarely a play he was involved with. And he's wicked on the powerplay.

    • @billsouza4457
      @billsouza4457 Год назад

      Wings have a history of greatly overrated defensemen imho ;p

    • @4u2nvHock3y
      @4u2nvHock3y Год назад

      No one's thinks he bad lol you guys just hype him up as this franchise defenseman when really he's probably going to be the worse version of reinbacher and simashev. His season this year was a down year. And he's more of an older Calder winner. I believe he won it at 21 or 20. Most are 19 18. So for a older rookie to be putting up those numbers with the experience he had isn't enough for me. 42 points isn't worthy of top 30. I don't see him or you mention toews and he had 45 points in 67 games.

    • @nathanielwiens
      @nathanielwiens Год назад +1

      @@4u2nvHock3y I am a Wings fan so I'm clearly biased, and I agree it's way too early to really say anything definitive. However, Mo's been putting up the numbers breaking all Lidstrom's early records (fastest to blah blah blah, youngest to blah blah blah, etc) so he could end up being decent if he continues to plateau or he could be really, really good. Only time will tell. This last season he was really dragged down by a Chairot-shaped anchor for the first half of the season. I'm interested to see how he develops as we introduce some of the younger D guys coming up.

    • @4u2nvHock3y
      @4u2nvHock3y Год назад

      Ok. I guess it's just a matter of time before we see what he does in this league really. I just think that reinbacher looks like seider. Picked in nearly the same spot. Known as a off the board pick. Similar size. Similar playstyle. Similar ceiling. I think reinbacher personally as a Habs fan won't be a star. Why I don't really consider seider one either. But who knows. Maybe seider is the better Lindstrom..

  • @saiyansatan
    @saiyansatan Год назад +2

    I can agree with this list. I was a little surprised to see Devon Toews miss the list but there are lots of great defensemen in the league

  • @MrWastedtalent34
    @MrWastedtalent34 Год назад +3

    Now we know that Shannon is friends with Sakic and MacFarland, this video should definitely keep the Devon Toews extension in check.

  • @oopopp
    @oopopp Год назад +88

    Mattias Ekholm is soooo underrated.

    • @matejstefansky7659
      @matejstefansky7659 Год назад +21

      Because there is simply too much competition. Even guys like Chychrun, Toews or Rasmus Andersson are not on THG list

    • @MrGerard0406
      @MrGerard0406 Год назад +4

      @@matejstefansky7659 I can understand a lot of guys, but MacKenzie Weegar not on the list, kind of confuses me. Not gonna lie haha. Maybe he was forgotten in the filth of Calgary.

    • @svech37
      @svech37 Год назад +3

      @@MrGerard0406 Weegar had a terrible year in Calgary, if he based it off the 21-22 season then yeah he easily makes this listing.

    • @MrGerard0406
      @MrGerard0406 Год назад +4

      @@svech37 i mean i guess you could say that offensively but definitely not defensively. And he wasnt even that bad offensively

    • @shawnthibodeau189
      @shawnthibodeau189 Год назад

      He’s top 35 100%. Maybe over a full season he gets into the top 30

  • @chrisg1556
    @chrisg1556 Год назад +6

    This list is just a reminder that the NHL desperately needs 2 separate awards for defenceman. Norris should go to the best defenceman and they should have another award for best offensive defenceman. They have an award for best defensive forward so having one for best offensive defenceman is only logical.

    • @Lee-f9w5v
      @Lee-f9w5v Год назад

      Ya you could do top points or goals scored as a defense . Then another award for top defensive .

    • @bajjanitor
      @bajjanitor Год назад

      If an award were to be added then it should be for best defensive defenseman. Norris being an award for best allround defenseman already heavily rewards points production because that's the only metric simple enough for the hockey journalists to understand.

  • @rylangregory5790
    @rylangregory5790 Год назад +4

    Rasmus Anderson? Criminally underrated

  • @Lukeee91
    @Lukeee91 Год назад +7

    Based on this video, Devon Toews is seriously underrated.

  • @averyhendrick741
    @averyhendrick741 Год назад +2

    Leaving out Devon Toews is insane. He's easily a top-10 defenseman. Ranks that way in every other list I've ever seen. Wondering if he was forgotten about

  • @Bum_Hip
    @Bum_Hip Год назад +17

    As a guy who watches Alex Pietrangelo 80 or more times a year, I’m a bit surprised he isn’t higher on the list. I mean he’s borderline HOF at this point. But that’s the fun of these lists, we get to see how others see our favorite players. Maybe I’m a bit bias.

  • @hiddenintheshadows4ever
    @hiddenintheshadows4ever Год назад +3

    We need the lists videos to stay, the comments are gold

  • @nneichan9353
    @nneichan9353 Год назад +10

    have you ever done a ranking of each team based on all their defensemen?

    • @jonahs52803
      @jonahs52803 Год назад +1

      i remember him ranking teams’ Top 4s going into the 2018 season i believe

    • @nneichan9353
      @nneichan9353 Год назад

      thank you!@@jonahs52803

  • @TheLifeOfJim
    @TheLifeOfJim Год назад +4

    No love for Jonas Brodin is wild. No pun intended. Just a solid Defenseman.

  • @joelbeaudoin2761
    @joelbeaudoin2761 Год назад +6

    Enjoy your vacation Shannon!

  • @ryankiesling2885
    @ryankiesling2885 Год назад +1

    no problemo with this list, enjoy your vacation Shannon!

  • @TheOli4521
    @TheOli4521 Год назад +9

    Oooohhh where is Devon Toews??? Top 20 easy

  • @benjaminlynch9958
    @benjaminlynch9958 Год назад +15

    This is a good list and these are always fun with fans arguing the #1 defenseman on their team should be higher than you have them listed. 😅
    Somewhere in Canada Jeff Marek is outraged that Jonas Brodin isn’t on the list purely based on his backward skating skills. 😂

    • @Siouxfan28
      @Siouxfan28 Год назад +3

      I was thinking the same thing when I saw Brods wasn't on here. Marek is a simp for his skating abilities. Dude is always shutting down top line scorers like Mcdavid and Mackinnon with his speed going backwards.

    • @whoshotashleybabbitt4924
      @whoshotashleybabbitt4924 Год назад

      😂😂😂

    • @jhedges8301
      @jhedges8301 Год назад +1

      I was here for Makar and I'm still here arguing that Devon Toews should be in there somewhere. Lol... ppl just want to argue for some reason.

  • @jma.87
    @jma.87 Год назад +9

    Why is future HOFer Slavin only 13 on this list? 😏

  • @rcl1955ca
    @rcl1955ca Год назад +2

    Glad you gave mention to the Rangers' Miller and Trouba. I might have put them in your list above Montour and Pulock.

    • @4u2nvHock3y
      @4u2nvHock3y Год назад

      Montour just had 70 points buddy calm down

    • @rcl1955ca
      @rcl1955ca Год назад

      @@4u2nvHock3y I just wonder if he can do that again? I know it won’t be this season but in the next full one when he’s healthy. Sometimes guys have career years and they never hit those heights again. And health has always been an issue with that guy.

  • @hunterfirzsimmons4112
    @hunterfirzsimmons4112 Год назад +6

    Quinn Hughes over Dahlin is wild and where’s Devon Toews

  • @svenusling
    @svenusling Год назад +13

    My favourite part about the hate on lists like this is... someone who is third on the list, is considered to be the third best player in the world. That is a BIG achievement. It doesn't mean they suck, it just means there is two others who are better. It really seems to be an issue for some people.

    • @axe2grind244
      @axe2grind244 Год назад +1

      Lol I love sports lists cuz people get so bent outta shape about them. We learned the difference between fact and opinion in 4th grade, millions of people must have been sick that day. I’d have Dahlin at 3 but Shannon has him at 9….nobody is right or wrong.

    • @svenusling
      @svenusling Год назад +1

      @@axe2grind244 How dare you have an opinion of your own? :D

    • @axe2grind244
      @axe2grind244 Год назад

      @@trevoravery9270 Ok tell me what the “factual” list of 30 best Dmen are. And then explain to me in explicit detail how those became facts. I’ll be lying in wait….

    • @Bouncer-id1rh
      @Bouncer-id1rh Год назад

      @@axe2grind244 These aren't the 30 best defensemen in the league, they are largely 30 best offensive players who play on the defense. I mean, EK at #4. If he's the 4th best "defensemen" in the league, then maybe my grandmother should try out.

    • @axe2grind244
      @axe2grind244 Год назад

      @@Bouncer-id1rh They are according to Shannon, and they are not according to you. And thats that.

  • @garrettma5758
    @garrettma5758 Год назад +5

    Lindholm, Theodore and Montour. Gotta love the Anaheim Ducks representation.

  • @davidchimes3464
    @davidchimes3464 Год назад +4

    I can't believe I watched a list video and pretty much agreed with all of it. Mind blown. Lol

  • @mcdbq_
    @mcdbq_ Год назад +5

    Fantastic list. Shea Theodore and Brandon Montour both feel underrated though. I don’t believe Montour just had a career year. He’s always been that good and finally was given the opportunity to show it. Will stay great for years to come.

    • @smk20086
      @smk20086 Год назад

      Literally was about to comment where Montour and Theodore and Toews are?

    • @smk20086
      @smk20086 Год назад

      I also beleive Pesce should be on it. His defense is next level, almost Slavin like.

  • @Kalthor99
    @Kalthor99 Год назад +15

    I think I personally would replace Power with Samuelsson at least for right now, Sammy was so important to Buffalo last season as seen by there record while he was injured, But I could see Power over taking him by this time next year.

  • @ajfazz8773
    @ajfazz8773 Год назад +4

    Diehard Islander fan and I LOVED Dobson when he debued in the NHL (I even was at the game with his first goal when he was 19) but I was severely disappointed this season that I said he should be on the trade block. He really needs to pick it up this season to regain my support.

    • @skiinggator
      @skiinggator Год назад

      Pelech is the Isles best D-man

  • @tamarockstar45
    @tamarockstar45 Год назад +2

    This is how reddit recently ranked defensmen in a poll. Not saying it's better or more accurate. If anything it's not a good ranking at all. Just thought it'd be an interesting comparison.
    1 Cale Makar
    2 Adam Fox
    3 Victor Hedman
    4 Roman Josi
    5 Miro Heiskanen
    6 Charlie McAvoy
    7 Erik Karlsson
    8 Rasmus Dahlin
    9 Quinn Hughes
    10 Jaccob Slavin
    11 Moritz Seider
    12 Alex Pietrangelo
    13 Devon Toews
    14 Aaron Ekblad
    15 Dougie Hamilton
    16 Morgan Reilly
    17 Hampus Lindholm
    18 Shea Theodore
    19 Kris Letang
    20 Drew Doughty
    21 Mikhail Sergachev
    22 Josh Morrissey
    23 Jakob Chychrun
    24 Mattias Ekholm
    25 Zach Werenski
    26 Brent Burns
    27 Thomas Chabot
    28 Mackenzie Weegar
    29 Noah Hanifin
    30 Vince Dunn

  • @th3b0pper
    @th3b0pper Год назад +6

    Finally someone sees how good Sergachev is, especially for his age.

  • @chrisault4575
    @chrisault4575 Год назад +2

    This may be an interesting list to do: The top defensemen you would want on the ice facing the 2022-23 Edmonton Power Play.
    Just a thought.

  • @palyze
    @palyze Год назад +5

    not sure why ekholm isnt on here.

  • @elasmith4218
    @elasmith4218 Год назад +4

    Honestly morrissey and montour had almost the same season both had a career high and their career path is basically the same, so i dont really get how they're not 10 & 11 respectively

  • @SabresGuy87
    @SabresGuy87 Год назад +5

    Dahlin being too low is a real debate, being too high is not

  • @Loam_Lord
    @Loam_Lord Год назад +4

    Not having Brodin on here yet have Spurgy is absurd

  • @tomboustead7588
    @tomboustead7588 Год назад +15

    As a Wild fan, Jonas Brodin needed to be at least an honorable mention

  • @Zander98
    @Zander98 Год назад +22

    Miro’s going to be top 2 eventually at some point in his career. Every season he takes another massive step forward.

    • @PiYodTong
      @PiYodTong Год назад +5

      If anyone gave a damn about Dallas they'd be green with envy (lol)

    • @patrickgoulet8170
      @patrickgoulet8170 Год назад +1

      I thought he should be higher

    • @axe2grind244
      @axe2grind244 Год назад +1

      He just doesn’t have the offensive capabilities Dahlin/Makar/Hughes and Fox do. Those guys are legit point per game dudes.

    • @PiYodTong
      @PiYodTong Год назад +4

      @@axe2grind244 Well can't expect him to do literally everything, can we? The Stars aren't starved for scoring as of this last year.

    • @Zilk9
      @Zilk9 Год назад +9

      He tied Dahlin in points last year and finished ahead of fox despite playing 3 less games.
      He may not ever have a higher PPG than Makar, but he’s easily the best shutdown defenseman of them all.
      73 points in 79 games while carrying an entire teams blue line is elite, top-5 caliber defense

  • @iamflat
    @iamflat Год назад +4

    Jacob Slavin has proven on several occasions that he could be gifted offensively. It makes me wonder: if he weren't so committed defensively, could he achieve the points totals some of the other best defensemen have?

    • @rosariocannistraro3561
      @rosariocannistraro3561 Год назад +1

      I mean he was that guy when he played at Colorado College so yeah! , He was always pretty decent defensively and could run a PP and put up points/anchor a top pair but something happened in a very short time from leaving NCAA and going pro he just became a defensive monster and exceeded my expectations by a lot even though I was really high on him .

    • @WillSams
      @WillSams Год назад +1

      ​@@rosariocannistraro3561Yeah, he and Peace came in at their first training camp both flipped the script, committed themselves defensively and became the top pairing very quickly. As regards the list, 13 is fine if they keep pairing him with defensive sieves like Burns

  • @patch8376
    @patch8376 Год назад +1

    I took most of 2023 off of hockey, burnt out from opinions, contracts, and douchebags. You're getting me back into it, damnit.

  • @crushdavis7048
    @crushdavis7048 Год назад +5

    The thing I always find interesting when it comes to defenseman is that for guys like Karlsoon, when they get mentioned, they always have to bring up the caveat that he is not very good defensively. You barely ever see anyone bring up when a defenseman is a black hole on offense (as in they generate very little of it.) Offensive D Men get so much crap sometimes. If your team doesn't have one, you'll realize really quickly how fast that overall team offense dissipates. Not to say THG is doing it here, but just I here it so much in general from other people.

    • @southpawjimmy9735
      @southpawjimmy9735 Год назад

      Good point, but I'd add the opposite can be true too. No one will put a "black hole on offense" on this list in the first place.

    • @nochera84
      @nochera84 Год назад

      Well, their first assignment is to take of the defending part. So unless you have/had a system like Boston or New Jersey that shelters the offensive defenders, then its down to their +/- impact even though it is a skewered stat. The good black holes can leave a positive impact on a team, because you know someone will always cover you back, and they will affect their goalies aswell.

    • @MP-dn4bs
      @MP-dn4bs Год назад

      bad defensive defensemen get skewered when they make a mistake that leads to the winning goal against.
      It's less obvious when the bad offensive defenseman contributes absolutely zero to the offense in a couple of 2-1 or 1-0 losses.

    • @nochera84
      @nochera84 Год назад

      @@MP-dn4bs of course, the difference in their primary role.

  • @Tropicsmoker22
    @Tropicsmoker22 Год назад +3

    Bro the most under rated d man is Jonas Brodin. Dude completely shuts down every one.

  • @brianwright4852
    @brianwright4852 Год назад +3

    I was hoping Seider would be top 15 but I understand based on how he played the first half being strapped to Chiarot.

  • @emperorggs3248
    @emperorggs3248 Год назад +3

    I feel like Ekholm should be in the 10-20 range and Seider is also a bit low, but otherwise pretty decent list

  • @ReplayValueMusic
    @ReplayValueMusic Год назад +4

    Was hoping to see Rasmus Anderson here. Very underrated D man but can’t argue with who you put on here

    • @sakalaath
      @sakalaath Год назад +1

      He is fantastic. He is especially good at keeping the puck in the offensive zone, stopping clearing attempts.

  • @nellietolb420
    @nellietolb420 Год назад +3

    Toss up between Jonas Brodin and Jared . Spurgeon is clutch Brodin quietly does it all .

  • @dsc4178
    @dsc4178 Год назад +4

    As a Leaf fan, Rielly and Chabot should trade places on the list. Both good, but Chabot can play in more situations and on the PK. Theodore I'd have higher as well as Pietrangelo, same reasons.

    • @rozzer6501
      @rozzer6501 Год назад

      no, Rielly clears chabot easily. Rielly does play PK

  • @wannabefunnyman
    @wannabefunnyman Год назад +1

    How to tell if a RUclipsr is a pro: Drops bomb. Immediately goes on vacation.

  • @knarf4083
    @knarf4083 Год назад +6

    Chabot is overrated. Have you actually watched him play lately ? Typical is he scores a goal, assists on a goal, and gives the puck away for 3 against.

  • @oldhab7890
    @oldhab7890 Год назад +1

    Interesting list. Who is the best defenceman is always a question of whether the offence or defence aspect of the game is emphasized. I think Shannon did a pretty good job of trying to balance the two.

  • @haysbrickell9579
    @haysbrickell9579 Год назад +3

    I'm not much of a Toronto fan but have always liked Morgan Reilly. He definitely catches too much flack but is invaluable to the Leafs.

  • @phillipfarrell1504
    @phillipfarrell1504 Год назад

    Hope you’re having a great vacation! Thank you for your lists

  • @ChristianKrillz
    @ChristianKrillz Год назад +34

    I think Makar/Fox/Dahlin are just going to be a cut above the rest for years to come

    • @jma.87
      @jma.87 Год назад +6

      Quinn and Luke Hughes might have something to say about that, but I agree with those three you mentioned being in an elevated tier with or without the Hughes bros

    • @tdfmtig
      @tdfmtig Год назад +15

      Heiskanen gives everything those guys do but he’s Finnish so won’t get any media attention

    • @jfkst1
      @jfkst1 Год назад +4

      Fox has completely sucked in the playoffs. Not sure why he gets a pass. Makar is far better overall.

    • @mattgauthier7216
      @mattgauthier7216 Год назад +5

      McAvoy and Heiskanen are the only other guys i could say that would join that bunch, with exception being Dahlin who isnt exactly a defensive stud.

    • @ChristianKrillz
      @ChristianKrillz Год назад +4

      @@mattgauthier7216 Dahlin is only in that same tier BECAUSE of his defensive play aswell because i doubt he can produce like Makar and Fox

  • @KoDawgg
    @KoDawgg Год назад +2

    Byram HM but not Bouchard I don’t know about that one

  • @CodHeadddd
    @CodHeadddd Год назад +3

    As a Tampa fan, if you need a shutdown shift I would pick Ryan McDonagh before Hedman. If there's a defensive defenseman who can shut down offences it's McDonagh. Top10 still although the offense is lacking and thus not an offensive dman.

  • @Roffi223
    @Roffi223 Год назад

    Love that the top lists by position is back, awesome work!

  • @basmo6803
    @basmo6803 Год назад +3

    look at makar stats with and without toews.

  • @Whisky_4_1
    @Whisky_4_1 Год назад

    great list. thanks for prerecording this prior to your trip.

  • @kurtisscriba2137
    @kurtisscriba2137 Год назад +4

    No Ekholm is tough

  • @saxonknight668
    @saxonknight668 Год назад

    Solid list. Well thought out. Thanks

  • @darkphoenix2
    @darkphoenix2 Год назад +13

    "It's gotta be Ben Chiarot right"
    Dude I feel like I'm the only person who watches him play and thinks "he really isn't that bad"
    Anyway, Seider will be a top 5 d-man by the end of this season, calling it now

    • @GWh135
      @GWh135 Год назад +2

      Chiarot is really solid and mostly reliable, anyone who’s actually watched him play should agree

  • @HandsomeDanVacationRentals
    @HandsomeDanVacationRentals Год назад +1

    THG watches more of my favorite team than nearly anyone but the team personnel. What team is that? Doesnt matter. He watches them more.
    In THG rankings we trust ;)

  • @gimmick7389
    @gimmick7389 Год назад +3

    chabot at 24, he's the 3rd best d man on his own team

  • @landonvervaecke6300
    @landonvervaecke6300 Год назад +1

    Isnt karlsson on the pens now??

  • @Scooterkid109
    @Scooterkid109 Год назад +4

    Letang had a damn stroke/lost his father and still played better than at least 3 people on this list

  • @alexlow4574
    @alexlow4574 Год назад +1

    Hello mr hockey guy, don’t usually comment on RUclips videos, but this is the most accurate hockey list I’ve ever seen, you should be the one making the NHL lists they always post that are wildly inaccurate, they could really use you. Everything about this list is on point. EXCEPT….. for no. 12. Aaron ekblad is one of the most overrated defensemen in the NHL, I am a long time panthers fan and I cannot express to you how appalled I am that his name is on the list. I watch almost every single panthers game and have developed a passionate endeavor against Aaron ekblad because I have to watch night after night the turnovers he has and the pucks he just throws away. I am not a statistician, I truly don’t know how they reached the Stanley cup final with ekblad, but to be completely honest, the panthers defense corps are really nothing special, montour and forsling really steered the ship for us. But again, great list, but really, I don’t know what ekblad you’re watching. I’m reminded of rasmus dahlin’s blue line turnovers in his rookie year whenever I watch Aaron ekblad, the difference is ekblad didn’t grow out of it.

  • @BirdsOfWar
    @BirdsOfWar Год назад +3

    Letang should be on here for sure

  • @coryray8804
    @coryray8804 Год назад +1

    Vegas has the best core of defenceman by far fewest goals against , most blocked shots , best puck control , and most forwards have difficulty getting close to the Vegas net to score . We remain .

  • @jsebby2284
    @jsebby2284 Год назад +3

    I get Letang is old and he had a stroke but no Letang in the top 30 seems like a crime
    Homerism aside I still think he should slide in the 20-25 range. Top 10 in Norris votes 4 of the last 6 years. Had a stroke and still carried Dumoulins corpse last year

  • @MaverickWall238
    @MaverickWall238 5 месяцев назад

    These are fascinating to rewatch a year later.

  • @evanleatherbarrow
    @evanleatherbarrow Год назад +5

    Dahlin not being top 5 and no Devon Toews is crazy to me

    • @werankeverything44
      @werankeverything44 Год назад

      Thats absolutelly insane take if you think that Dahlin is better than Heiskanen💀

    • @evanleatherbarrow
      @evanleatherbarrow Год назад

      @@werankeverything44 looking at advanced stats, points per game, any metric they had extremely similar seasons. id put them on the same level forsure and you’d be crazy not to. both are top 5 defensemen

  • @pjp9310
    @pjp9310 Год назад

    Thank you for all the content Shannon

  • @johnspeer8729
    @johnspeer8729 Год назад +3

    Petro is probably in that 11-15 range. John Carlson at 17 is interesting. Not sure about that anymore. Ekblad is probably closer to 25. Josi a few spots too high. Slavin and Dahlin a couple spots too low. Letang and Ekholm belong on there somewhere in the 20-30 range. Toews should be top 20. Anyway, thanks for the video.

    • @Hrybread
      @Hrybread Год назад

      Carlson is so important to washington's defense. They weren't the same after his injury in December and the record/underlying numbers show.
      He eats up minutes while driving offense, and while he certainly isn't much defensively, he's able to take on the burden of going against a top line without getting completely caved in.
      He's also had a rough time finding a perfect partner, as Fehervary and Gustafsson both ran hot and cold when he was paired up with them. If the caps kept Siegenthaler, I think they could have been a top 5 pairing in the NHL

  • @Burnzie79
    @Burnzie79 Год назад +1

    Great video! Significantly better choices for a top 5 than Adam Wylde's of SDPN.

  • @brandonb.6099
    @brandonb.6099 Год назад +6

    One of the reasons Spurgeon is underrated is because of his size. He is pretty good both offensively and defensively.

  • @johnsinglet575
    @johnsinglet575 Год назад +1

    Hockey channel ranking...Hockey Guy #1 AINEC
    Nice work Shannon.

  • @Wayf4rer
    @Wayf4rer Год назад +5

    Hedman respecters rise up

  • @jamesjoste5959
    @jamesjoste5959 Год назад +1

    Dude, how is Pietrangelo not right around Slavin and Hamilton?

    • @rosariocannistraro3561
      @rosariocannistraro3561 Год назад +1

      How is Dougie around either of them lol , I know if I'm looking to win a playoff series Slavin and Petro would be way way above on my list as to who I'm picking to anchor my top pair . Same with Karlsson and a lot of dudes like him would anybody pick them to anchor a top pair if they wanna try to win a cup ? .