In my opinion, the R7 7700x should have been a 10 core chip and the R5 7600x should have been an 8 core chip. AMD should have also reintroduced a Ryzen 3 as a budget 6 core chip option at around $200. Honestly, $300 for a 6 core CPU in 2022 is absolutely ridiculous. Especially when factoring in AM5 motherboard and DDR5 prices.
Intel was selling an 8 core CPU for nearly $600 just last year (i9-11900K). With the 8 core CCD design in Zen 4, a 10 core CPU would have 2 CCDs which would only increase latency. At the end of the day overall performance is more important than core count. 6 Zen 4 cores (7600X) is equal to 8 Zen 3 cores (5800X). 8 Zen 4 cores (7700X) is equal to 12 Zen 2 cores (3900X) in multi core work but much much faster in single core and it even beats the 5900X in a few applications (like Premiere, Photoshop, Microsoft Office apps) and at a lower price. Zen 5 is rumored to have a completely new architecture and core count increase while Zen 4 was basically Zen 3 with more L2 cache, an iGPU with encoding, and more power at the socket (obviously there are more improvements but it wasn't a complete redesign like Zen 5 should be). AM5 motherboard prices do need to drop which is why we're starting to see inexpensive CPU/MB bundles now. DDR5 prices are dropping everyday, a lot faster than DDR4 did when it came out. At this point midrange DDR5-5600 is the same price as high end DDR4. The 64GB DDR4 RAM kit (G. Skill Trident Z Neo) I was planning for an AM4 build is roughly the same price as 64GB of G. Skill Flare X5 DDR5 ($309 vs. $319). DDR5 prices have literally been cut in half since 2022 started.
I ended up here trying to decide if the 7700 is worth the premium over the 7600, for a casual gaming PC + coding / productivity setup. Your section on Linux compile times helped me decide to just go with the 7600 while it was on sale. Thank you!
I already own an AM4 System so I'll get a 5800X3D instead of these. Still good performance but the prices of AM5 Motherboards and DDR5 Ram combined with the $300 USD price of the 7600X turn me off a bit. Plus I'm interested to see how the potential X3D AM5 chips will perform. Excellent job Jarrod!
I think gamers would benefit by adopting the AM5 Platform early. Just like those who invested in 1st Gen Ryzen were able to go from a 1600x to a 3600x and now probably game on a 5800x3d that drop in upgrade is cheaper in the long run. Think about it, you’re building an abandoned system so in 3-5 years you’ll still have to spend money to dump the whole rig and get a whole new pc again. You can build a am5 platform now and still be running the machine in 5 years
@@MundoTheTowo I disagree specifically because RAM and motherboards are soooo expensive. As we've seen from testing, there are some pretty nice gains to be had from buying better RAM, but the problem is that they have premium pricing. If you're able to wait even 6 months, you could be saving hundreds of dollars on motherboard, CPU, and RAM prices. After all, saving even $50 on each of the aforementioned items, that's $150 saved in your system. And buying in early with cheapo RAM only to upgrade down the road means you're paying twice to do it right. Same thing with motherboards: why get a crappy VRM and audio setup when you can allow competition to work to your advantage to drive prices down? And if you're on AM4 but want to go AM5, just try to wait. Or buy a 5600X to hold you over because you're really not losing that much compared to a 5800X3D at 2/3 the cost (or even less used. I've seen them going for $150-160, which you could probably resell it damn near that even in half a year).
@@rustler08 how is expensive? in my country a good ddr4 mainboard and 32gb ddr4 3600 cl 16 is the same price as ddr5 mainboard and 6000 cl 32 so tell me wth is going on?
I've spent 2 days on google to find a proper comparison between 7700x and 7600x in eco mode regarding temperature.. just now I've stumbled across that video by luck and it finally answers my question. thanks for that .. going to order the 7700x now 🙂
Great video as usual Jarod! It seems if one is going for pure gaming the 7600 is the better buy. But if they want it for productivity (and maybe gaming mix) then the 7700x may be worth considering. I wonder how much of a difference 3d cache variants will make! Thank you for all the hard work and effort you do to get all these benchmarks and comparisions.
At 300 USD, 8 cores should be the default. 6C are fine at 200-250. Just like Intel went 4C until 8th gen i7, AMD has kept their corecount since 2017. It's enough, I'd say. These SKUs should have been moved down the line: 6C: 7400 (
Most of you are so blind you don't even seem to know what prices are. You enter the PC game, see 3-4 year old CPU prices and go "this is what a brand new chip should cost!" Sit down and research inflation and original MSRPs, children
Great video 👍 I must say though, that not everyone is into gaming. One don't just buy or build a PC for gaming, but for both (gaming and productivity). AM5 is quite expensive at the moment and they won't really change their pricing now unless Intel bomb the market with dirt cheap chips that will draw gamers, streamers, content creators and other heavy users. Only then AMD will maybe, a big maybe drop their prices on AM5 mobos and cpus. I had a Ryzen 5 5600X setup and that cpu was a beast, but because I am gaming and streaming from a single PC, I decided to sell it and upgrade to AM5. Still fighting with myself now as I already ordered both the Ryzen 5 7600X Upgrade Kit and Ryzen 7 7700X Upgrade Kit but I am still deciding which one I should keep or return for a refund. Seeing that both performance are almost identical but the 7 7700X performs 31% better in games plus it will be an ideal cpu not only for gaming, but for streaming as well due to the extra 2 Cores. I personally never had a Ryzen 7 cpu before and I already experienced the Ryzen 5 5600X that only comes with 6C/12T but performed very well. Having a look at your video, I decided to give the Ryzen 7 7700X a chance due to the extra 2 cores that will help me running more apps simultaneously on my single pc setup. Thanks for this video. Will let you know if like my new Ryzen 7 7700X setup or not...or should I rather return that too and rather upgrade to a Ryzen 9 7900X Upgrade Kit. Dropped you a like 👍 and also subbed bro 😉
Nice and important comparison. Sadly overemphasing on multicore benchmarks has become an annoying tradition of hardware comparisons. It's actually ironic that in this video you have proven yourself, that core counts higher than the (now standard) 6 cores are utterley useless for 99% of users and, yet, you still priorize showing the multicore related benchmarks first as if they where most important ;) I mean: content creators are less than 0.1% of people still buying grown PCs... there's no reason to make 8 cores or even more 'look good' by showing Cinebench, Blender and so on at first and even explaining there theoretically higher efficiency which isn't true for all the 99.9% who are no content creators. And I don't think this will change soon, considering that it has taken more than 10 years from the release of the first quad core CPUs until a halfway significant amount of games actually could make use of more than two cores. It'S a bit similar to the 1080p vs- 1440p vs. 4K discrepancy - RUclipsrs with their endless money and full blown PCs think that the higher resolutions where standard - while the Steam surves still shows 1080 at about 60% of all gamers' homes. And there even are some channels thinking of ditching 1080p, because it was 'outdated' and not having any relevance with modern GPUs all being able to run 1080p fast enough all the time - BUT: That's actually the matter of fact that people need to see, instead of making them believe they alwyays needed the more and more advanced and more and more expensive new stuff .. without any decent reason. Making people buy more expsnesive stuff than they actullay need also supports GPU vendors with their ridiculous pricing since a few years.. So I think it's a very important topic and that RUclipsrs have to show some responsibility here, by keeping their benchmakrs, presentaion and focus realistic. The RUclips tech-channels adhering to this reality would give their overall image more seriousness. Well, of course this was an general rant, not utterly targetted at you spexcifically ;) The only thing I would critiizeabout your vides is the order of presenting benchmarks - the games clearly belong before the multicore preffering benchmarks, especially in a video that's directly targetted at this topic, as said above. So: Paying attention to a more general audience related focus would be a nice improvement! :)
I don't understand, not everybody is playing latest titles, many of us are really into 4X or Heavy MilSims where the CPU power is most noticeable. Why aren't those games tested in these comparisons?
I was waiting for some used 7600/7600x for family upgrades. Then Amazon just had the 7700x for $220 with two games (40k warhammer) and a week later it was $210. Well instead of a used $140 7600 I just bought this 7700x to upgrade my youngest kids PC. She has a 6750XT on a LG 1440p 180hz 27”. Very nice PC for a young kid.
Thing is their price should be 200 and 300, and not 300 and 400USD. I imagine, this will be the true once AMD sells most of their 5000 series CPU stock.
@@xb1ob I used the 7900x for another build and now I have the 7950x. I dont notice any performance increase in games or course, but it was on sale when I got it.
Just swapped from AM4 5800X3D/x570 Tuf/48gb 3200 CL16 to AM5 7600x/x670/32gb CL30 for about $30 out of pocket. Paid $200 plus tax for the new 7600x. Just ordered an open box 7700x for $265 plus tax as I was given a free x670 board with cosmetic damage. Great comparison , quick to the point with good graphs. Well presented information. 👍🏻👍🏻
Simple awesome ! I had bought the 7600x and was unsure whether to exchange it or not. As i watch It would be better to invest in the GPU or a future upgrade, as with the AM5 socket, we hope to have many series available! if b550 support it !
My only issue with the game testing is that RT puts a heavier load on the CPU and the 4090 is the perfect GPU to test how this is going work with the 6c/12t and 8c/16t CPUs. It would have been nice for you to included ray tracing in the game testing with the 4090. The same is also going to be true with UE5 titles that have a bit of lighting effects. It puts a heavier load on the CPU, and these are multi-threaded loads. These are the situations where the 7600X may be pushed near 100%, ray tracing on a 4090 and UE5 based titles on a 4090. It will still be game dependent, but that's what I certainly wanted to see. Other than that these results are what I expected to see.
I have lots of doubts about building my new PC in April 2023. I have a plan to do gaming and streaming on a single PC with concern for budget; which CPU and GPU would you recommend for my build? In my mind, I have rtx 3070 and i5 13600k, b760 mobo, 32gb 3600mhz, 750w psu and liquid cooler, should I go with this one or different one. Please suggest a build at, under, or at the same price point.
@@whenwillitbecold Of course, I don't see why not. It's pretty capable (if you have a lot of stuff at once, an 8 cores would be better; ie, 7700. But keeping things frugal, you should be able with the 7600). You need a nice card, too. Due to how it is stream encoding in several platforms (at least for now), better have NVENC, so, a nvidia card: so, get you as well a 3070 and you are golden. Depending on at what resolution you would game (or other type of streaming: IRL, etc) and stream (ie, 1080p instead of 1440p), you may go for a 3060 ti, even a "regular" 3060.
Its really insane how much competition does for innovation. Currently zero competition in the GPU space, main reason it isnt getting better. With better pricing. Innovation would be way quicker if AMD stepped their game up.
When you review the product...try it with 7950x and we would love to see smart memory shift compared to pairing with amd and intel...we would like to see performance difference...not only in gaming...but also in productivity...please do compare those numbers...13900+7900xtx vs 7950x+7900xtx 😎
This test is pretty close to what I am noticing, I have two desktops at home and the 4K rendering is just slightly faster on 7700x compared to 7600x.. DDR5 Ram
Just picked up a 7600x for renderings. It will hit all the benchmarks but I just realized the 7700/7700x has more cores. Should I cancel and just order the $88 more expensive 7700x?
Yeah I'm really confused because I was watching two different videos that you have. On the last video with the ryzen 5's compared you said that the ryzen 5 7600x, achieve the total of 199 FPS. On warzone. And in this video you're saying that the ryzen 5 7600x got 303 at 1440p ?? So I mean which one is it... ?? Over 100fps is a pretty large jump.
Both are really good options for gaming and light productivity... but nobody should buy them because of the overall platform price which is atrocious at the moment... the only way for these parts to be recommended is for the 6 core to cost 189$ and the 8 core 289$, mobos at the range of 120$-150$ and ddr5 to drop even more... then it will be a considerable option... the only CPU that's a good choice from AMD right now is the ryzen 9 7950x... because of its 16 p cores compare to the i9 13900k 8 p cores and 16 e cores... it wins in productivity overall, it consumes less power, it doesn't thermal throttle and it has similar performance in gaming... other that that, all the other recommendations should go to Intel... AMD forgot to release something affordable for the lower budget market apparently... i hope they will rectify that early next year, when the new i3 and locked i5 will dominate the market because of their aggressive pricing...
@Garrus Vakarian i don't know if your price incudes taxes but in Sweden were i live... and i5 + same Z790 mobo costs 1090 CAD and the ryzen setup with the B650 version of mobo 1220 CAD... but on Intel you could buy a much cheaper b660 or z690 DDR4 board and you save even more money... i stand by my original comment... AMD's best offer right now is the 7950x now and they don't care in the slightest about budget builders...
@Garrus Vakarian i always look for really good deals on Facebook market and similar Swedish markets... i have an i7 12700k that i bought brand new from facebook market for 260 CAD and an RTX 3090 brand new for 740 CAD... for now i'm ok in terms of performance... but i saw a ryzen 9 7950x for 740 CAD on a similar facebook market and i'm trying to save 100 bucks off, that would be and amazing price for Swedish standards... i always look for the deal i don't care about the brand... the only hardware that i would avoid is Intel ARC gpus for now no matter how cheap they are... other than that whatever makes the most sense in terms of price/performance...
This has been bothering me for some time, and it isn't just about this video. I don't know how reasonable it is, but I desperately wish all the CPU/GPU comparisons would stop using nothing but fidelity-obsessed AAA games (and some e-sports). Of course everything is GPU-limited, then! But for simulation games, or indie games with more elaborate mechanics, the CPU might actually matter. Maybe even the RAM. Sure, someone playing Battlefield xX69Xx Enhanced Edition will see minimal gains from faster CPU or RAM, and they'd be better off buying a bigger GPU. Because the CPU doesn't matter *for graphics.* It feels like useless information most of the time. Most CPU gaming comparisons could be boiled down to "it doesn't matter, buy bigger GPU." Lead with that disclaimer, then test some games that might actually use the CPU and provide some interesting and useful information! Similarly, I want to see if some games *aren't* primarily GPU-limited in GPU comparisons! "This cheaper GPU is great for 1080p" would make it inadequate for my displays. But is that just because the article assumes I need another 6GB of VRAM to store the 8k textures in the latest semi-interactive movie? Who knows?! Rant over. For now. Not this video's fault for following the current standard and doing it well.
Can you include browsing while gaming into your reviews? Like playing a game while browsing sites on a second monitor? or watching youtube or neetflix while gaming?
Builded a new and compleet pc today for 690 euro (case, gold 80+ modulair 750w PSU, r5 7600, 4x8 gb 5600 mhz ram, a 650m mainboard and 2x1tb m,2 nvme. Just need to buy a GPU
To be honest, if you don't have cash to go for 7700X, you should take 5800X3D (or any lower, but still 5'th gen) and go on older & cheaper, as you can squeeze way more bang for buck this way. (or intel 12/13 gen, as they are very similar price to performance as 7'th gen AMD, older than 12 intel sucks) 7600 is basically only a stop gap, for people who want to be ready for 3D parts, that will be up to +50% power. That's the only reason to pick 7600 over any 5000 series. It's also a good idea to have a spare cpu core or two, as I don't know any people who consciously pick their machines, and don't multitask. If you're reading this comment, you want more cores than your previous build, and spending ~3% cost of whole change to get ~20% faster is IMHO worth it.
You should only buy a 5800X3D if you have AM4. End of story. It would be absolutely idiotic to go out of your way to buy into a dead platform with an expensive CPU just to see the 3D v-cache benefits.
@@rustler08 every other intel is dead platform, and people dont complain that much. Also that pc would still be very capable for literal YEARS so if someone is not upgrading for 5/6 years, they would not keep even ssd's anyway.
Luckly here in Cambodia, 7700X cost 285$ which only 40$ more compare to 7600x 245$ ... which is definetly worth it to go for 7700X for both gaming & productivity and even beat Intel Core i5 13600K in term of price and performance (345$ here) as the 7700X improved the multi-cores performance which is similar or equal to the Intel Core i5 13600K .... and if we talk about the single core or gaming performance the 7700X even better the Intel Core i5 13600K as the 7600X slighlty better than the Intel Core i5 13600K !
I wouldn't buy a 6-core CPU on a brand new platform, complete waste of money. Especially considering the crazy expensive AM5 motherboards. I'm still waiting for the 3D v-cache versions.
dang thats alot of testing thanks for that. 7700x is 300 right now on newegg and a free jedi game 70 value im going for it. im gaming in 4k so i wont need the extra performance in 7800x3d
i used to use a 9400f for gaming and productivity, like livestreaming and youtube content, so if i could do it on that cpu i think im good getting the 7600x (though i do more gaming than productivity) :D
Secret: Intel couldn’t maintain good performance on a ring bus with more than 8 cores. The E core don’t help gaming. They are on a different bus and have 1/2 the performance of the P cores.
Depends on the 3070. In most gaming Laptops with a 3070, the 3070 gets too little power and underperformes. I recommend a Lenovo Legion with the 5600h and 3060
He has both laptops with both graphics card but there is no comparison, but i can recommend you to just watch his 3070 laptop review and 3070ti laptop review separately and look at his games test with all laptops spreadsheet where you can compare fps between them.
@@stitch8134 Ah, i keep forgetting Jarrod making comparisons only when he have identical specs laptops except graphics card to fair comparison. Ooh, i have same dilemma here but with 12700h. Struggling between paying extra 250 for 3070ti over regular 3070 or not, for now thinking its not worth it, since they even have same amount of vram, which would be great reason to pay extra. How much your purchase is going to cost after taxes if you dont mind sharing it? Mine is over 2k, people outside US have to pay more D:
Ryzen 5 = Gaming
Ryzen 7 = Gaming + Productivity
Ryzen 9 = Productivity if time is money
ryzen 5 is shit for gaming it botlenecks most of the graphics cards. Ryzen 7 is the way
@@Ironforge1337wrong
@@Ironforge1337ryzen 5 like the 7600x or 5600x are great options for gaming
Real
@@Ironforge1337 dpends which ryzen 5. 7600 and 7500f are fantastic
In my opinion, the R7 7700x should have been a 10 core chip and the R5 7600x should have been an 8 core chip. AMD should have also reintroduced a Ryzen 3 as a budget 6 core chip option at around $200. Honestly, $300 for a 6 core CPU in 2022 is absolutely ridiculous. Especially when factoring in AM5 motherboard and DDR5 prices.
Truth
In your opinion lolol 🤣 what qualifies your opinion? please tell us.
how the turn tables
Intel was selling an 8 core CPU for nearly $600 just last year (i9-11900K). With the 8 core CCD design in Zen 4, a 10 core CPU would have 2 CCDs which would only increase latency. At the end of the day overall performance is more important than core count. 6 Zen 4 cores (7600X) is equal to 8 Zen 3 cores (5800X). 8 Zen 4 cores (7700X) is equal to 12 Zen 2 cores (3900X) in multi core work but much much faster in single core and it even beats the 5900X in a few applications (like Premiere, Photoshop, Microsoft Office apps) and at a lower price. Zen 5 is rumored to have a completely new architecture and core count increase while Zen 4 was basically Zen 3 with more L2 cache, an iGPU with encoding, and more power at the socket (obviously there are more improvements but it wasn't a complete redesign like Zen 5 should be).
AM5 motherboard prices do need to drop which is why we're starting to see inexpensive CPU/MB bundles now. DDR5 prices are dropping everyday, a lot faster than DDR4 did when it came out. At this point midrange DDR5-5600 is the same price as high end DDR4. The 64GB DDR4 RAM kit (G. Skill Trident Z Neo) I was planning for an AM4 build is roughly the same price as 64GB of G. Skill Flare X5 DDR5 ($309 vs. $319). DDR5 prices have literally been cut in half since 2022 started.
5800 should be 10 cores. The naming scheme would make some sense this way.
With the cost of AM5 in mind, the 7700x is more a "might as well" choice.
I ended up here trying to decide if the 7700 is worth the premium over the 7600, for a casual gaming PC + coding / productivity setup. Your section on Linux compile times helped me decide to just go with the 7600 while it was on sale. Thank you!
Fantastic video. Could not have been more perfect as I'm planning an AMD build and was debating between the 7700x and 7600x. Thank you!
Glad I could help!
which one you picked ?
@@ChrontardI just picked up a 7600x for 200 bucks on Amazon
I already own an AM4 System so I'll get a 5800X3D instead of these. Still good performance but the prices of AM5 Motherboards and DDR5 Ram combined with the $300 USD price of the 7600X turn me off a bit. Plus I'm interested to see how the potential X3D AM5 chips will perform. Excellent job Jarrod!
I think gamers would benefit by adopting the AM5 Platform early. Just like those who invested in 1st Gen Ryzen were able to go from a 1600x to a 3600x and now probably game on a 5800x3d that drop in upgrade is cheaper in the long run. Think about it, you’re building an abandoned system so in 3-5 years you’ll still have to spend money to dump the whole rig and get a whole new pc again. You can build a am5 platform now and still be running the machine in 5 years
Since you’re already on the Am4 platform it makes 100% sense why you should just upgrade to a 5800x3d and get the same if not better performance
@@MundoTheTowo yup fair points
@@MundoTheTowo I disagree specifically because RAM and motherboards are soooo expensive. As we've seen from testing, there are some pretty nice gains to be had from buying better RAM, but the problem is that they have premium pricing. If you're able to wait even 6 months, you could be saving hundreds of dollars on motherboard, CPU, and RAM prices. After all, saving even $50 on each of the aforementioned items, that's $150 saved in your system. And buying in early with cheapo RAM only to upgrade down the road means you're paying twice to do it right. Same thing with motherboards: why get a crappy VRM and audio setup when you can allow competition to work to your advantage to drive prices down?
And if you're on AM4 but want to go AM5, just try to wait. Or buy a 5600X to hold you over because you're really not losing that much compared to a 5800X3D at 2/3 the cost (or even less used. I've seen them going for $150-160, which you could probably resell it damn near that even in half a year).
@@rustler08 how is expensive? in my country a good ddr4 mainboard and 32gb ddr4 3600 cl 16 is the same price as ddr5 mainboard and 6000 cl 32 so tell me wth is going on?
Right now in Canada the 7600x is 230 usd. I grabbed it with 32gb ddr 5 6000mhz and msi mortar b650m. Amazing performance.
I have built my pc on this process or for productivity and video editing. It's working faster.
Right now 7700x is $220 lol
@@fightnight14chinese scam
@@mastrezach nope. There was an Amazon sold and shipped. Lasted for hours before the Chinese scam showed up
@@fightnight14 Who was the seller? Amazon themselves?
I've spent 2 days on google to find a proper comparison between 7700x and 7600x in eco mode regarding temperature.. just now I've stumbled across that video by luck and it finally answers my question. thanks for that .. going to order the 7700x now 🙂
Brilliant comparisons! Thx very much - helped me to choose for my kid's rig
Great video as usual Jarod!
It seems if one is going for pure gaming the 7600 is the better buy. But if they want it for productivity (and maybe gaming mix) then the 7700x may be worth considering.
I wonder how much of a difference 3d cache variants will make!
Thank you for all the hard work and effort you do to get all these benchmarks and comparisions.
If you play only like esport games like fortnite, csgo , wow than the 7700x is better
At 300 USD, 8 cores should be the default. 6C are fine at 200-250.
Just like Intel went 4C until 8th gen i7, AMD has kept their corecount since 2017. It's enough, I'd say.
These SKUs should have been moved down the line:
6C: 7400 (
Most of you are so blind you don't even seem to know what prices are. You enter the PC game, see 3-4 year old CPU prices and go "this is what a brand new chip should cost!"
Sit down and research inflation and original MSRPs, children
Great video 👍 I must say though, that not everyone is into gaming. One don't just buy or build a PC for gaming, but for both (gaming and productivity).
AM5 is quite expensive at the moment and they won't really change their pricing now unless Intel bomb the market with dirt cheap chips that will draw gamers, streamers, content creators and other heavy users. Only then AMD will maybe, a big maybe drop their prices on AM5 mobos and cpus.
I had a Ryzen 5 5600X setup and that cpu was a beast, but because I am gaming and streaming from a single PC, I decided to sell it and upgrade to AM5. Still fighting with myself now as I already ordered both the Ryzen 5 7600X Upgrade Kit and Ryzen 7 7700X Upgrade Kit but I am still deciding which one I should keep or return for a refund.
Seeing that both performance are almost identical but the 7 7700X performs 31% better in games plus it will be an ideal cpu not only for gaming, but for streaming as well due to the extra 2 Cores. I personally never had a Ryzen 7 cpu before and I already experienced the Ryzen 5 5600X that only comes with 6C/12T but performed very well.
Having a look at your video, I decided to give the Ryzen 7 7700X a chance due to the extra 2 cores that will help me running more apps simultaneously on my single pc setup.
Thanks for this video. Will let you know if like my new Ryzen 7 7700X setup or not...or should I rather return that too and rather upgrade to a Ryzen 9 7900X Upgrade Kit.
Dropped you a like 👍 and also subbed bro 😉
Nice and important comparison. Sadly overemphasing on multicore benchmarks has become an annoying tradition of hardware comparisons. It's actually ironic that in this video you have proven yourself, that core counts higher than the (now standard) 6 cores are utterley useless for 99% of users and, yet, you still priorize showing the multicore related benchmarks first as if they where most important ;)
I mean: content creators are less than 0.1% of people still buying grown PCs... there's no reason to make 8 cores or even more 'look good' by showing Cinebench, Blender and so on at first and even explaining there theoretically higher efficiency which isn't true for all the 99.9% who are no content creators.
And I don't think this will change soon, considering that it has taken more than 10 years from the release of the first quad core CPUs until a halfway significant amount of games actually could make use of more than two cores.
It'S a bit similar to the 1080p vs- 1440p vs. 4K discrepancy - RUclipsrs with their endless money and full blown PCs think that the higher resolutions where standard - while the Steam surves still shows 1080 at about 60% of all gamers' homes. And there even are some channels thinking of ditching 1080p, because it was 'outdated' and not having any relevance with modern GPUs all being able to run 1080p fast enough all the time - BUT: That's actually the matter of fact that people need to see, instead of making them believe they alwyays needed the more and more advanced and more and more expensive new stuff .. without any decent reason.
Making people buy more expsnesive stuff than they actullay need also supports GPU vendors with their ridiculous pricing since a few years..
So I think it's a very important topic and that RUclipsrs have to show some responsibility here, by keeping their benchmakrs, presentaion and focus realistic.
The RUclips tech-channels adhering to this reality would give their overall image more seriousness.
Well, of course this was an general rant, not utterly targetted at you spexcifically ;)
The only thing I would critiizeabout your vides is the order of presenting benchmarks - the games clearly belong before the multicore preffering benchmarks, especially in a video that's directly targetted at this topic, as said above.
So: Paying attention to a more general audience related focus would be a nice improvement!
:)
I don't understand, not everybody is playing latest titles, many of us are really into 4X or Heavy MilSims where the CPU power is most noticeable. Why aren't those games tested in these comparisons?
I don't know any and the goal is testing popular games.
If you Are only gaming get the 5800x3d
Actually no 3d reaches it limits with 4090 better of getting am5
@@chriswright8074 who will take 4090 when they have 5800x3d, it's better they stay with 3090, that is also powerful
Why would you buy a dead-end platform when it’s replacement is already here?
@@goregejones7248 6950 better an cheaper
@@chriswright8074 if you care about 4k gaming nvidia is the best
I was waiting for some used 7600/7600x for family upgrades. Then Amazon just had the 7700x for $220 with two games (40k warhammer) and a week later it was $210. Well instead of a used $140 7600 I just bought this 7700x to upgrade my youngest kids PC. She has a 6750XT on a LG 1440p 180hz 27”. Very nice PC for a young kid.
Thank you for making this video.
You just saved me equivalent of $100-$300 by making me choose the 7600x instead of 7700x or 7800x3d.
Thing is their price should be 200 and 300, and not 300 and 400USD.
I imagine, this will be the true once AMD sells most of their 5000 series CPU stock.
They are 230 and 330 now
I was able to buy a 7600 and b650(cheap mb though) for $290 last week. Good to see prices going down
thx champ really needed this
what if the 7600x is 220 and the 7700x is 280 ( only 60 difference) is 7700x good value
27% more money for 20% boost in the apps tested, but almost no change in games, not too bad if you need more cores.
I was going to go with the 7700x but I think I’ll just get the 7600x, I’ll be able to put that extra $100 towards a better gpu
4090 sounds funny in Aussie accent lol
Watching 1 year later and 7700 is 50% more expensive than 7600
Same😂
It's $220 right now on Amazon
@@fightnight14 in UK £275 7700 and £175for 7600. in gaming that's barely any difference for £100. better get £100 better gpu.
@@fightnight14I missed it, Im staring at it for an hour. thinking "should I buy now or wait for black friday" and after an hour, the discount gone 😂
@@ebben23 same here. I'm satisfied with my 7600. If I upgrade it would be for the 7800X3D.
I love my Ryzen 9 7900x. First time switching to AMD CPU's and I am not disappointed. Probably gonna stick with AMD now. For now at least.
Good choice!
@@xb1ob I used the 7900x for another build and now I have the 7950x. I dont notice any performance increase in games or course, but it was on sale when I got it.
@@AustnTok yeah, there is practically no difference between them. But they are both really good!
Just swapped from AM4 5800X3D/x570 Tuf/48gb 3200 CL16 to AM5 7600x/x670/32gb CL30 for about $30 out of pocket.
Paid $200 plus tax for the new 7600x.
Just ordered an open box 7700x for $265 plus tax as I was given a free x670 board with cosmetic damage.
Great comparison , quick to the point with good graphs. Well presented information. 👍🏻👍🏻
Simple awesome ! I had bought the 7600x and was unsure whether to exchange it or not. As i watch It would be better to invest in the GPU or a future upgrade, as with the AM5 socket, we hope to have many series available! if b550 support it !
Got my 7600X from Microcenter for $190 bundled
My only issue with the game testing is that RT puts a heavier load on the CPU and the 4090 is the perfect GPU to test how this is going work with the 6c/12t and 8c/16t CPUs.
It would have been nice for you to included ray tracing in the game testing with the 4090.
The same is also going to be true with UE5 titles that have a bit of lighting effects. It puts a heavier load on the CPU, and these are multi-threaded loads. These are the situations where the 7600X may be pushed near 100%, ray tracing on a 4090 and UE5 based titles on a 4090. It will still be game dependent, but that's what I certainly wanted to see.
Other than that these results are what I expected to see.
8 for sure
@MAN yeah I got it for $329.99.
Benchmarking Microsoft Word, what a time to be alive
Went 7700x - I rarely only just game....Not long ago 4 cores was just fine and now it's 6.
I just get an 7600 non X version with a 4080 and i'm in love...i play in 1440p above 100fps in every game so its oustanding.
Is x very controversial non x ?
I have the same, there’s hardly any difference between the x and standard version
if you only game 6 cores
if you content create and stream more cores
Thank you, a lot! 🙇♂
Hello its I7 review coming up soon? thanks!
Shame you didn't included 5600X and 5700X in this - I would love to see comparision!
I have lots of doubts about building my new PC in April 2023. I have a plan to do gaming and streaming on a single PC with concern for budget; which CPU and GPU would you recommend for my build? In my mind, I have rtx 3070 and i5 13600k, b760 mobo, 32gb 3600mhz, 750w psu and liquid cooler, should I go with this one or different one. Please suggest a build at, under, or at the same price point.
Ryzen 7 7700x is super enough for my Paper works, Video editing and playing games (I just play 2 games: LOL and Valorant)
@MAN with 8 cores you can play peppa pig with rtx 4090 at 1200fps tho
for LOL and valorant already a 5600X is an overkilll :D :D
But yeah, it is imo a good overall pc for most people. I'd say even the 7600X.
oh... just getting now it was a joke, lol :D
@@3polygonswould 7600 be good for streaming too?
@@whenwillitbecold Of course, I don't see why not. It's pretty capable (if you have a lot of stuff at once, an 8 cores would be better; ie, 7700. But keeping things frugal, you should be able with the 7600). You need a nice card, too. Due to how it is stream encoding in several platforms (at least for now), better have NVENC, so, a nvidia card: so, get you as well a 3070 and you are golden. Depending on at what resolution you would game (or other type of streaming: IRL, etc) and stream (ie, 1080p instead of 1440p), you may go for a 3060 ti, even a "regular" 3060.
Its really insane how much competition does for innovation.
Currently zero competition in the GPU space, main reason it isnt getting better. With better pricing. Innovation would be way quicker if AMD stepped their game up.
Thanks! I'll stick with my 7600x :)
Thanks. I bought 7600 X for video editing. I never play game. Please suggest which GPU I should buy for this processor for video editing? Please🙏
Hey bro is this process good for video editing and multitasking?
Any latest Nvidia GPU
Good video tyvm 🙏 defo going with x670 7600 407ti new build 👍
How did it turn out?
When you review the product...try it with 7950x and we would love to see smart memory shift compared to pairing with amd and intel...we would like to see performance difference...not only in gaming...but also in productivity...please do compare those numbers...13900+7900xtx vs 7950x+7900xtx 😎
Thanks, this really helped!
the 7700x is currently only $350 so it's the perfect time to buy
On Microcenter right now you can get the 7700X and 32gigs of DDR5 6000 RAM for under $315 in a combo
3:39 Phone vibration time xD
Wdym? I can't hear anything.
This test is pretty close to what I am noticing, I have two desktops at home and the 4K rendering is just slightly faster on 7700x compared to 7600x.. DDR5 Ram
I paired a 3080ti with 7600x and cl36 ddr5 32gb for 700usd all together. No regrets 🔥
Cant wait for 9600x zen 5
Nice!
him: benchmarking processors
me: "was he broke that he got both RTX 3090 TI and RTX 4090 rn? I mean, man living his dream too much"
7700Х побыстрее будет в синтетических тестах благодаря двум дополнительным ядрам и повышенному CACHE L 1/ L2 L 3 . Чисто для игр сойдёт 7600X.
37% increase in price for a 5% increase in perf for gaming, amd seems to be taking notes from intel
(Price in nz)
7600X $449
7700X $619
i wish 5800x was in there too and that you specifically went after games that used 8 cores.
Now god choice i5 13600k, price same ryxen 5 7600x but performance same/little bit fast than i7 12700k/ryxen r7 7700x
in gaming the 7600x and 7700x are a bit faster
But.. the techdeals guy said you need an 8/16 core processor minimum to game fluidly and have a nice experience...
7500f is basically half the price of 7700x and i am planning to get one soon.
Yes :)
Just picked up a 7600x for renderings. It will hit all the benchmarks but I just realized the 7700/7700x has more cores. Should I cancel and just order the $88 more expensive 7700x?
Yeah I'm really confused because I was watching two different videos that you have. On the last video with the ryzen 5's compared you said that the ryzen 5 7600x, achieve the total of 199 FPS. On warzone. And in this video you're saying that the ryzen 5 7600x got 303 at 1440p ?? So I mean which one is it... ?? Over 100fps is a pretty large jump.
That's cause of him using a different gpu. As he said multiple times, that's the biggest fps influencer in gaming.
Both are really good options for gaming and light productivity... but nobody should buy them because of the overall platform price which is atrocious at the moment... the only way for these parts to be recommended is for the 6 core to cost 189$ and the 8 core 289$, mobos at the range of 120$-150$ and ddr5 to drop even more... then it will be a considerable option... the only CPU that's a good choice from AMD right now is the ryzen 9 7950x... because of its 16 p cores compare to the i9 13900k 8 p cores and 16 e cores... it wins in productivity overall, it consumes less power, it doesn't thermal throttle and it has similar performance in gaming... other that that, all the other recommendations should go to Intel... AMD forgot to release something affordable for the lower budget market apparently... i hope they will rectify that early next year, when the new i3 and locked i5 will dominate the market because of their aggressive pricing...
@Garrus Vakarian i don't know if your price incudes taxes but in Sweden were i live... and i5 + same Z790 mobo costs 1090 CAD and the ryzen setup with the B650 version of mobo 1220 CAD... but on Intel you could buy a much cheaper b660 or z690 DDR4 board and you save even more money... i stand by my original comment... AMD's best offer right now is the 7950x now and they don't care in the slightest about budget builders...
@Garrus Vakarian i always look for really good deals on Facebook market and similar Swedish markets... i have an i7 12700k that i bought brand new from facebook market for 260 CAD and an RTX 3090 brand new for 740 CAD... for now i'm ok in terms of performance... but i saw a ryzen 9 7950x for 740 CAD on a similar facebook market and i'm trying to save 100 bucks off, that would be and amazing price for Swedish standards... i always look for the deal i don't care about the brand... the only hardware that i would avoid is Intel ARC gpus for now no matter how cheap they are... other than that whatever makes the most sense in terms of price/performance...
How about cpu utilization in cpu demanding games ?! Is the r5 7600 gonna fully utilized! 🤔
This has been bothering me for some time, and it isn't just about this video.
I don't know how reasonable it is, but I desperately wish all the CPU/GPU comparisons would stop using nothing but fidelity-obsessed AAA games (and some e-sports). Of course everything is GPU-limited, then! But for simulation games, or indie games with more elaborate mechanics, the CPU might actually matter. Maybe even the RAM.
Sure, someone playing Battlefield xX69Xx Enhanced Edition will see minimal gains from faster CPU or RAM, and they'd be better off buying a bigger GPU. Because the CPU doesn't matter *for graphics.* It feels like useless information most of the time.
Most CPU gaming comparisons could be boiled down to "it doesn't matter, buy bigger GPU." Lead with that disclaimer, then test some games that might actually use the CPU and provide some interesting and useful information! Similarly, I want to see if some games *aren't* primarily GPU-limited in GPU comparisons!
"This cheaper GPU is great for 1080p" would make it inadequate for my displays. But is that just because the article assumes I need another 6GB of VRAM to store the 8k textures in the latest semi-interactive movie? Who knows?!
Rant over. For now. Not this video's fault for following the current standard and doing it well.
720p minimum setting benchmarks incoming
Can you include browsing while gaming into your reviews? Like playing a game while browsing sites on a second monitor? or watching youtube or neetflix while gaming?
modern cpu should be able to do that..maybe 4 cores cpu like the i3 have small performance hit
@@kubotite9168 youd be surprised my 2020 gaming laptops CPU was an i7 and it could barely handle browsing while gaming.
Builded a new and compleet pc today for 690 euro (case, gold 80+ modulair 750w PSU, r5 7600, 4x8 gb 5600 mhz ram, a 650m mainboard and 2x1tb m,2 nvme.
Just need to buy a GPU
Releasing 6 core CPU with 300USD price tag in 2022 , is a huge insult.
Not really
is it worth buying these CPUs now? or is the Ryzen 7 5600X3D still a better choice for gaming?
Optimum tech just did a video about that.
+1 Sub bro.. this videos was exactly what i needed❤ ty
Ryzen 5 7600x is 220 euro
Ryzen 7 7700x is 275 euro
Is 55 euro more is worth spending?
yup...
@@kubotite9168 thank you... Got it even for less. 260 euros
To be honest, if you don't have cash to go for 7700X, you should take 5800X3D (or any lower, but still 5'th gen) and go on older & cheaper, as you can squeeze way more bang for buck this way. (or intel 12/13 gen, as they are very similar price to performance as 7'th gen AMD, older than 12 intel sucks)
7600 is basically only a stop gap, for people who want to be ready for 3D parts, that will be up to +50% power. That's the only reason to pick 7600 over any 5000 series.
It's also a good idea to have a spare cpu core or two, as I don't know any people who consciously pick their machines, and don't multitask. If you're reading this comment, you want more cores than your previous build, and spending ~3% cost of whole change to get ~20% faster is IMHO worth it.
You should only buy a 5800X3D if you have AM4. End of story. It would be absolutely idiotic to go out of your way to buy into a dead platform with an expensive CPU just to see the 3D v-cache benefits.
@@rustler08 every other intel is dead platform, and people dont complain that much. Also that pc would still be very capable for literal YEARS so if someone is not upgrading for 5/6 years, they would not keep even ssd's anyway.
Resolve: free or studio?
Dont tell HUB and Gamers Nexus, but I much prefer your videos on hardware
Luckly here in Cambodia, 7700X cost 285$ which only 40$ more compare to 7600x 245$ ... which is definetly worth it to go for 7700X for both gaming & productivity and even beat Intel Core i5 13600K in term of price and performance (345$ here) as the 7700X improved the multi-cores performance which is similar or equal to the Intel Core i5 13600K .... and if we talk about the single core or gaming performance the 7700X even better the Intel Core i5 13600K as the 7600X slighlty better than the Intel Core i5 13600K !
It's a great choice
I wouldn't buy a 6-core CPU on a brand new platform, complete waste of money. Especially considering the crazy expensive AM5 motherboards. I'm still waiting for the 3D v-cache versions.
my brain is just echoing 7700X 7700X hearing it so much
Awesome video
What Rysen 7 CPU would I need to play CS2 while streaming without any introduction of lagg?
LUL they are the same in games I will choose Ryzen 5 7600X. Thanks for this :D
dang thats alot of testing thanks for that. 7700x is 300 right now on newegg and a free jedi game 70 value im going for it. im gaming in 4k so i wont need the extra performance in 7800x3d
No MSFS test?
i used to use a 9400f for gaming and productivity, like livestreaming and youtube content, so if i could do it on that cpu i think im good getting the 7600x (though i do more gaming than productivity) :D
So if I'm a video editor 7700X is definetely a better option?
Did you watch the video?
@@Daniel-no6kj no i didnt
5:51 Get Clippy out of here! 📎
Топ обзор!! Сам думаю купить под RTX 4090 7700x!
How much for the PC build, Sir?
Yes.
8 if there are no E Cores
Secret:
Intel couldn’t maintain good performance on a ring bus with more than 8 cores.
The E core don’t help gaming. They are on a different bus and have 1/2 the performance of the P cores.
Please review gigabyte g5 Kd
I need V cache. Screw the cores.
i have a question .Is a ryzen 5 5600h with an rtx 3070 a good combo. or is the cpu too weak? (laptop) I want to buy a laptop for the next few years
Depends on the 3070. In most gaming Laptops with a 3070, the 3070 gets too little power and underperformes. I recommend a Lenovo Legion with the 5600h and 3060
@@otozinclus3593 the gaming laptop has an rtx 3070, it runs at 115 watts
Plz make a vid about mx GPUs. Appreciated
Hello jarrod uncle plz unbox legion 7 6700m amd😥
Hello Jarrod! Did you review the difference between RTX 3070 and 3070ti in laptops?
Funny enough, i just now was searching for this comparison from Jarrod and no he didnt :(
@@bairaqarpinker7460 I found that he said he haven't received any of laps 3070ti 2022 with relevant components to compare it with 3070.... sadly.
He has both laptops with both graphics card but there is no comparison, but i can recommend you to just watch his 3070 laptop review and 3070ti laptop review separately and look at his games test with all laptops spreadsheet where you can compare fps between them.
@@bairaqarpinker7460 Thanks. Just im going to buy new Legion 5 pro with 3070ti inside and new ryzen 7 6800h so curious how powerful it became
@@stitch8134 Ah, i keep forgetting Jarrod making comparisons only when he have identical specs laptops except graphics card to fair comparison. Ooh, i have same dilemma here but with 12700h. Struggling between paying extra 250 for 3070ti over regular 3070 or not, for now thinking its not worth it, since they even have same amount of vram, which would be great reason to pay extra. How much your purchase is going to cost after taxes if you dont mind sharing it? Mine is over 2k, people outside US have to pay more D:
One boosts higher. What if both have static oc?
either one will work bro. Give me one of those :)
I don't have any pc
sadly AMD AM5 boards are expensive af
thanks
Ty 🙂 for save money finally 7600x...✌
Waiting for Jarrod's best gaming laptop of year 2022 to decide which to buy 🤔
Coming soon!
@@JarrodsTech alrighty awesome 😎😎😎😎
None? Intel only on 13th Intel vs 7th AMD
We need a Ryzen 7 8800X CPU with a 12 cores CCD and 3D cache.
Im go for 7700 from 5900 ...