I always thought a cool thing about the typical 40K era battle barge design was how much more practical they look compared to the floating cathedrals. Reminds me of the scene in ‘Scars’ when Jaghatai surprises the Mechanicum adepts with his knowledge of tech and what he wanted to make the most efficient ship to match his legion’s battle doctrine.
As powerful Battle Barges are, my homebrew traded in its Battle Barges (along with a great many other things) for an all Strike Cruiser navy. Excluding the escort & support ships, of course. Other than for very rare occasions such as a major huge fleet incursion (ex: Behemoth or Leviathan), a Black Crusade, or a significant Waagh (ex: the two wars for Armageddon or The War Of The Beast), etc.. we just can’t see the need for having that much force response at one time. It’s a bit of a double edged sword in that Battle Barges are so powerful that to even do them justice enough to call for them means they won’t be the appropriate response most of the time.
Pretty pictures, but I muted it after the assertion that a Battle Barge is more or less the same thing as a Gloriana Class battleship. The biggest class of spacecraft humanity has ever built, or ever will, with only eighteen made and the means of production irretrievably lost.
You do you, but just fyi, the most common warship classes that are also termed as battle barges are - Legatus (reserves), Basileus (transport type), Ironclad (retired), Warspite(most common) and the Gloriana (command type)
Then someone has changed the canon. Glorianas were capital ships built for the Primarchs as their personal command craft, and flagships for their Legions, hence eighteen. I dimly recall that an extra one was built for Battlefleet Solar but that's it. Or used to be...
Probably due to a retcon years ago, but I think they have now accepted even the Gloriana class Eternal crusade of the black templars as their flagship, biggest battle barge and command center
In recent lore there are 20 *Scylla-pattern* Gloriana-сlass battleships that were ever made. *Vengeful Spirit* is one of them. There are different patterns. Word Bearers had second *Chronicle of Ashes* Gloriana-class battleship and World Eaters (or also Word Bearers) had *6* Gloriana-class battleships. Abaddon has *Magna Tyranis* which is a twin of the *Vengeful Spirit* and also a Gloriana. Most legions had 2 or more of such vessels. And Glorianas are the biggest *battleships* (class), not the biggest ships. There are also such things as macro-battleships, mass conveyors and many more larger vessels.
No, pretty sure most people don't call a space marine strike cruiser a battle barge. Nor have i ever heard a gloriana-class ever refered to as a Battle barge
they are, all Warships under Astartes service are called Battlebarges both Big and Small. That's what made them distinguishable to the Imperial Navy and Adept Mechanicus.
A foot? Are you insane? Even the smallest Imperial vessels are a one and a half kilometres. You're looking at a bare minimum of five to ten meters of armour plating with the larger battleships like the Mars having armour plates in the hundreds of meters. These are ships that throw around weapons that could kill off all life on planets at worst and punching holes through the crusts of planets at best.
the ships looks cool with all the huge cannons all over but the only thing that annoys me is the size of the ship to the size of the cannons and where the hell do they keep the massive ammo for those cannons, i am talking about the projectiles not the lasers
all Astartes Warships are BattleBarges both Big and Small, that's how the Imperium distinguishes them apart from Imperial Navy and Adeptus Mechanics Fleets of Warships.
@@dannygelbart6827 before the 4th codex retcon, "Most Space Marine Chapters control two or three battle barges. They are very brutal vessels, with only one purpose behind their design. As might be expected, a battle barge, is configured for close support of planetary landings and carries numerous bombardment turrets and torpedo tubes. A considerable amount of hull space is given over to launch bays for intra-system craft and drop pods, observations indicating that up to three companies can deploy simultaneously. The vessel is extremely heavily armoured and well shielded, presumably so that it can breach planetary defences without harm coming to its cargo. Naturally the battle barge would make a frightening opponent in any situation where boarding is involved. A battle barge is not a class of vessel, but rather it is the name given to any vessel configured to fulfill the role of a battle barge. Because of this, it is theoretically possible for any large capital ship to fulfill this role, although the battle barges specially designed for the Space Marines by the Adeptus Mechanicus are the most common example." - Battlefleet Gothic Armada. and yes this is Canon. Guess your new to lore.
@@dannygelbart6827 Most Space Marine Chapters control two or three battle barges. They are very brutal vessels, with only one purpose behind their design. As might be expected, a battle barge, is configured for close support of planetary landings and carries numerous bombardment turrets and torpedo tubes. A considerable amount of hull space is given over to launch bays for intra-system craft and drop pods, observations indicating that up to three companies can deploy simultaneously. The vessel is extremely heavily armoured and well shielded, presumably so that it can breach planetary defences without harm coming to its cargo. Naturally the battle barge would make a frightening opponent in any situation where boarding is involved. A battle barge is not a class of vessel, but rather it is the name given to any vessel configured to fulfill the role of battle barge. Because of this, it is theoretically possible for any large capital ship to fulfill this role, although the battle barges specially designed for the Space Marines by the Adeptus Mechanicus are the most common example." - BattleFleet Gothic Armada And yes the Ship specifications here is canon from 12th Black Crusade but the game is not, guess you're just new here.
Wtf? There's no 'armored prow' on the BB you're showing, you seem to think 'starboard' means 'aft', and I'm only a third of the way through. You're capable of so much better.
How's Gloriana class battle ships a battle barge 😂 even luna class light cruiser have Nova cannon but a battle barge which comes in light battleship class by tonnage may have or may not . Battle barge are made from ground up as battle barge by the Mars and few others. Otherwise no chapter could bring in there dreadnought. Even Emperor class battleship the up gunned luna class cruiser can't carry a single dreadnought. Let alone imperial knights or God machine
Dreadnoughts are maybe 15 to 25 ft depending on the pattern what are you even on about, you dont even know what a Gloriana class even is either those were the primarchs ships like the Mcragges Honour it could carry Titans if it wanted/had the facilities for it much less a Dreadnought 😂
Depending on your source, a Dread fits in a Drop Pod (rather than a squad of marines) or a specifically modified Dread Drop Pod. Perhaps you're imagining walking about the ship? Ya, not really save for the main gangways, lol trying to fit through a hatch. But even then, getting deck to deck via lifts is still doable. However, they are in sleep mode most of the time anyway. A Dread has earned the privilege of having people come to them.
@@mephisto5856just so you know during war of Armageddon or vraks or baal no imperial Navy ships dropped or carry dreadnought in any book I know of or during damaculeus crusade it required at least a strike cruiser from what I know only large storage ships of imperial or battleship carried any knights comparable to dreadnought size. Don't start with emperor class I meant the smaller ones that one has a cathedral on top . I'm stating no imperial Navy cruiser can carry one of those astartes dreadnought but yeah if you make space of course in a battleship of imperial Navy that too in a huge hangar type one
I always thought a cool thing about the typical 40K era battle barge design was how much more practical they look compared to the floating cathedrals.
Reminds me of the scene in ‘Scars’ when Jaghatai surprises the Mechanicum adepts with his knowledge of tech and what he wanted to make the most efficient ship to match his legion’s battle doctrine.
This was wicked helpful on my lore for my Risen force. Leaning towards Imperial Pirates of a sort. So this really helped.
Glad to be of service
As powerful Battle Barges are, my homebrew traded in its Battle Barges (along with a great many other things) for an all Strike Cruiser navy. Excluding the escort & support ships, of course.
Other than for very rare occasions such as a major huge fleet incursion (ex: Behemoth or Leviathan), a Black Crusade, or a significant Waagh (ex: the two wars for Armageddon or The War Of The Beast), etc.. we just can’t see the need for having that much force response at one time.
It’s a bit of a double edged sword in that Battle Barges are so powerful that to even do them justice enough to call for them means they won’t be the appropriate response most of the time.
Man. The refueling of the warp drive is brutal af.
It’s brutal and stupid, mostly stupid
8:45 excuse me6 can you share the link to full image of this
Pretty pictures, but I muted it after the assertion that a Battle Barge is more or less the same thing as a Gloriana Class battleship. The biggest class of spacecraft humanity has ever built, or ever will, with only eighteen made and the means of production irretrievably lost.
It’s canonically stated that there are more than 18 Glorianas
You do you, but just fyi, the most common warship classes that are also termed as battle barges are - Legatus (reserves), Basileus (transport type), Ironclad (retired), Warspite(most common) and the Gloriana (command type)
Then someone has changed the canon. Glorianas were capital ships built for the Primarchs as their personal command craft, and flagships for their Legions, hence eighteen. I dimly recall that an extra one was built for Battlefleet Solar but that's it. Or used to be...
Probably due to a retcon years ago, but I think they have now accepted even the Gloriana class Eternal crusade of the black templars as their flagship, biggest battle barge and command center
In recent lore there are 20 *Scylla-pattern* Gloriana-сlass battleships that were ever made. *Vengeful Spirit* is one of them. There are different patterns.
Word Bearers had second *Chronicle of Ashes* Gloriana-class battleship and World Eaters (or also Word Bearers) had *6* Gloriana-class battleships. Abaddon has *Magna Tyranis* which is a twin of the *Vengeful Spirit* and also a Gloriana. Most legions had 2 or more of such vessels.
And Glorianas are the biggest *battleships* (class), not the biggest ships. There are also such things as macro-battleships, mass conveyors and many more larger vessels.
Hi! What is the graphic at 8:40 from ? I def want it
Not to be that guy but the Eternal Crusader is also a Gloriana class battle ship
What software did you use in this video to show the model
No, pretty sure most people don't call a space marine strike cruiser a battle barge. Nor have i ever heard a gloriana-class ever refered to as a Battle barge
Well they are so your cluelessness doesn't rly matter
they are, all Warships under Astartes service are called Battlebarges both Big and Small. That's what made them distinguishable to the Imperial Navy and Adept Mechanicus.
"...have these massive macrocannons placed on the two sides of the keel."
The problem is there are four sides of the keel.
A foot? Are you insane? Even the smallest Imperial vessels are a one and a half kilometres. You're looking at a bare minimum of five to ten meters of armour plating with the larger battleships like the Mars having armour plates in the hundreds of meters. These are ships that throw around weapons that could kill off all life on planets at worst and punching holes through the crusts of planets at best.
Even worse, one huge battle barge was described to have armour *kilometers* thick. 🤣
@@сесьсясь Was it Mike Brooks? Gav Thorpe? CS Goto? Maybe the Speranza considering it's supposed to be the size of Australia.
source of graph in 8:47
the ships looks cool with all the huge cannons all over but the only thing that annoys me is the size of the ship to the size of the cannons and where the hell do they keep the massive ammo for those cannons, i am talking about the projectiles not the lasers
Huge arse cannons is leftovers from table models, it was for easy painting.
is this from the sketchfab 3d viewer?
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Eternal Crusader is a gloriana and they are 20-30km. Battle Barge is 10-12km.
all Astartes Warships are BattleBarges both Big and Small, that's how the Imperium distinguishes them apart from Imperial Navy and Adeptus Mechanics Fleets of Warships.
@@deepdungeon8465 No, they objectively aren't.
@@dannygelbart6827 before the 4th codex retcon, "Most Space Marine Chapters control two or three battle barges. They are very brutal vessels, with only one purpose behind their design.
As might be expected, a battle barge, is configured for close support of planetary landings and carries numerous bombardment turrets and torpedo tubes.
A considerable amount of hull space is given over to launch bays for intra-system craft and drop pods, observations indicating that up to three companies can deploy simultaneously.
The vessel is extremely heavily armoured and well shielded, presumably so that it can breach planetary defences without harm coming to its cargo. Naturally the battle barge would make a frightening opponent in any situation where boarding is involved.
A battle barge is not a class of vessel, but rather it is the name given to any vessel configured to fulfill the role of a battle barge. Because of this, it is theoretically possible for any large capital ship to fulfill this role, although the battle barges specially designed for the Space Marines by the Adeptus Mechanicus are the most common example."
- Battlefleet Gothic Armada.
and yes this is Canon. Guess your new to lore.
@@dannygelbart6827 Most Space Marine Chapters control two or three battle barges. They are very brutal vessels, with only one purpose behind their design.
As might be expected, a battle barge, is configured for close support of planetary landings and carries numerous bombardment turrets and torpedo tubes.
A considerable amount of hull space is given over to launch bays for intra-system craft and drop pods, observations indicating that up to three companies can deploy simultaneously.
The vessel is extremely heavily armoured and well shielded, presumably so that it can breach planetary defences without harm coming to its cargo. Naturally the battle barge would make a frightening opponent in any situation where boarding is involved.
A battle barge is not a class of vessel, but rather it is the name given to any vessel configured to fulfill the role of battle barge. Because of this, it is theoretically possible for any large capital ship to fulfill this role, although the battle barges specially designed for the Space Marines by the Adeptus Mechanicus are the most common example."
- BattleFleet Gothic Armada
And yes the Ship specifications here is canon from 12th Black Crusade but the game is not, guess you're just new here.
Wtf?
There's no 'armored prow' on the BB you're showing, you seem to think 'starboard' means 'aft', and I'm only a third of the way through.
You're capable of so much better.
I’m just here to watch people argue. 🙊
Looks really weird. Of course this is Warhammer.
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How's Gloriana class battle ships a battle barge 😂 even luna class light cruiser have Nova cannon but a battle barge which comes in light battleship class by tonnage may have or may not . Battle barge are made from ground up as battle barge by the Mars and few others. Otherwise no chapter could bring in there dreadnought. Even Emperor class battleship the up gunned luna class cruiser can't carry a single dreadnought. Let alone imperial knights or God machine
Hold on, wut? A Dreadnought is tiny by 40K standards. A ship that size ought to be able to carry plenty. Titans no, clearly, but Dreadnoughts-? Easy.
Dreadnoughts are maybe 15 to 25 ft depending on the pattern what are you even on about, you dont even know what a Gloriana class even is either those were the primarchs ships like the Mcragges Honour it could carry Titans if it wanted/had the facilities for it much less a Dreadnought 😂
Depending on your source, a Dread fits in a Drop Pod (rather than a squad of marines) or a specifically modified Dread Drop Pod. Perhaps you're imagining walking about the ship? Ya, not really save for the main gangways, lol trying to fit through a hatch. But even then, getting deck to deck via lifts is still doable. However, they are in sleep mode most of the time anyway. A Dread has earned the privilege of having people come to them.
I’m pretty sure you’re new at Warhammer 40K.
@@mephisto5856just so you know during war of Armageddon or vraks or baal no imperial Navy ships dropped or carry dreadnought in any book I know of or during damaculeus crusade it required at least a strike cruiser from what I know only large storage ships of imperial or battleship carried any knights comparable to dreadnought size. Don't start with emperor class I meant the smaller ones that one has a cathedral on top . I'm stating no imperial Navy cruiser can carry one of those astartes dreadnought but yeah if you make space of course in a battleship of imperial Navy that too in a huge hangar type one
You need to read more and fact check.