Russian Microchips Collapse?
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- Some errata corrige and more details on the Russian Semiconductor Industry.
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In Russia, we had significant problems with semiconductors. Fortunately, after dismantling many Leopard tanks and other Western armored vehicles, we were able to salvage their components and extract the chips inside. This allowed us to manufacture washing machines and dishwashers.
Western companies found the way to avoid sanctions and supply chips to Russia.
I imagined soldiers from Bryansk running into Leopard and yelling "Dishwasher! Mine! Mine! Mine!"
😂🎉😂😂😅 really western propaganda very funny
wait till Russians find a toilet or a house from bricks 😂🤣😂🤣
Thnx for good laugh!
The fact that you are willing to admit your mistakes and make corrections makes you better than most if not all major news outlets.
True.
As someone with a very diverse backround, being born in the west, but also having Russian and Ukrainin family, I love guys like him because he is very objective on both sides. I am tired of hearing how Russia sucks by the west and how much the west sucks by Russia while Ukrainians are suffering.
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Interesting completely blank account you have there cousin, almost like it doesn't belong to a genuine person .....lol
*smiles modestly, collets ad revenue *
@@Blowfeld20k ok....... not everyone is chronically online cousin
We should also recognize that consumer chips in sizes like 5nm is not needed in the majority of military hardware like a missile system. 64ns is good enough.
And it is very easy to purchase the chips by faking a foreign buyer. The process to verify the buyer is quite awful
@@gustavoboscardin9351how easy would it be to setup brand new production line for this say 64nm node fab? ie brand new facitlity, straight outta "store" equipment needed everyuthing bleeding edge except just using medium size of 64nm instead of extremely expensive latest 3nm....
Or is this simply impossible due to equipment not available anymore.....
(iirc 2021 chip shortages were mostly in these midrange category, not bleeding edge, as each pcb board needs hundreds of tiny components using these)
300nm would be fine for a refrigerator- not like one needs an M1 processor to control a temperature
Old school refrigerators didn't even have chips!@@showdown66
You can use chips of any size for a missile really
I appreciate your honesty and humility. We all NEED people like you, in government and news media.
"Humility"? 😆
He's coping and LYING about Russian semiconductor tech, this video is only a tad better than "chips from washing machines"
Honesty in that he managed to correct himself in unimportent detail, but kept puring bluushit onto you in general?
mkey
As someone who lives in Russia for 20+ years as a foreigner, I can say that there are a lot of Soviet technologies that are lying around waiting to be picked up. I have been in some science facilities that didn't have funding after the collapse of the USSR, but are now being rebuilt and put in action due to the sanctions and import bans. If we are talking about military technology, these are the places where Russians really excel in making simple, but very effective and most importantly cheap solutions.
As someone who spent his early career working with the US aerospace and defense establishment, I can attest from my interaction with electronic and aeronautical engineers to never, ever underestimate Soviet/Russian capabilities! I see fools in the West doing this right now.
which are top most interesting ones from your viewpoint? this video covered microchips, my favorite(often looked down on in western media, same as chinese industry). Problem in my viewpoint with military tech is that unless there is war, dont really have "market" giving feedback and helping it grow and improve. Consumer/enterprise market thus works as alternative in peace time for computing. Although that design principle is very tangible for any user of tech and much better approach than super hitech complex way.
@@alecfoster4413As someone who has employs Russia s and sponsors visas for Russian aeronoautical and electronic engineers I can confidently say that Russia does produce many first class engineers. I can also confidently say that any decent Russian engineer or scientist with skills and ambition needs to leave Russia and emigrate to the US to progress his or her career (Europe too, because US is much harder to get into at present) All the best and brightest leave, there was another massive exodus last year with conscription. The Soviet Union actually produced a lot of innovation, Russian Federation almost nothing.
@@alecfoster4413 I'm in US aerospace, and I have a lot of respect for Russian aeronautical & aerospace engineering. They're always 5-15 years behind in some key areas, but they do it on 1/10th the budget. The engineering to funding ratio is always very impressive. And unlike China, they can see nothing but a grainy photograph, and go out and engineer their own version of an idea. Whereas China seems to need complete blueprints via spying, and often includes "partial copies" with features used in ways which don't even make sense, because they don't actually know what some of the design elements they're copying are meant to be doing.
@@alecfoster4413 oh really ? We've been *overestimating* the Russians for decades. If we had been underestimating them, Ukraine would have been defeated in days and Russian jets would rule the skies. We've seen what actually happened. So you worked in defense, huh ? Radar, by any chance ? Do you know how much modern radar depend on using the most bleeding-edge chip technology, to even have a chance of seeing a stealthy plane or missile ? That can't be achieved on 90 nm tech, especially not if you want it to fit on a plane. And even if it could, it'd generate so much heat you'd become a magnet for IR-guided missiles.
We overestimated the Russians. Now we see what they really have, so there's no estimation needed, we know.
Textbook example of how to be a reliable channel 👍👍👍
CNN should've LEARNED from him, but I doubt its far left political activists masquerading as journalists ever will.
Getting things wrong is human, but admitting it, is divine; which is something western msm and some of the big channels have forgotten.
luckily people can forget those News channels too :)
Yeah, everyone should strive to be 100% factual and truthful like Russian and Chinese media. /s
@@ArchOfficial Very good:) but it will go above their heads!
Please dude. MSM is about the only journalists in the West who publish retractions.
@@ArchOfficial are you new or something? Since the Cold War people already know Russian and Chinese media is state controlled, but the western msm always thought to be the standard, so called independent free press. Guess what it’s not anymore, Western msm don’t inform the public, it does partisan politics, they deliberately lie never admit mistakes because they also have an agenda. Read Noam Chomsky’s Manufacturing Consent.
No other channel makes a correction video, this why this is best channel on RUclips.
I agree.
It's pretty good but there are quite a few channels that do Ukraine war content that do correct their mistakes. Who doesn't is cable news networks!
Both professional news organizations and professional RUclipsrs publish corrections, as it's a free and easy way to establish credibility with the viewership. The willingness to say, "I was wrong" serves as a form of advertising.
Some of them even publically call you names and rant for an hour if you correct their blatant biased videos. Lmao.
It's admirable that he correct his mistakes, but he's not the only channel who does so.
If you followed "The Duran" or the separate channels from Alex and Alexander you will regularly notice that they correct previous mistakes, but also Scott Ritter, Douglas McGregor or Larry Johnson have no problem to admit their mistakes.
We've been hearing these stories about Russia running out of missiles, shells or micro chips since the start of this conflict, only to be proven completely wrong by the realities on the battle field. Russia is not running out of anything any time soon. They have an extensive, well functioning military industry and whatever they can't produce themselves in sufficient quantities, they can easily get from their partners.
In the age of misinformation and unaccountability, you're a breath of fresh air.
Well, in video in part about Elbrus you show the really really old version of CPU. The newest model of Elbrus is "Elbrus-16s" aka on Russian "Эльбрус-16с". It has 16 cores, support DDR4 and so on. And also developed on 16 nanometers.
He showed the most up to date version, manufactured by a russian company. It dosen't matter, that you have designed a 16 nm chip, if you can't preoduce it domstically.
@cahdoge well, that's not entirely true either. They produce and sell Elbrus-8cv to the government. But he showed us "Elbrus-2s", which is really old and is one of the first models of "Elbrus" made according to architecture and wasn't really good at that time. Plus Elbrus-16 exist and was produced at TSMC before war. Now, they working to new lithographic equipment for replace TSMC.
@@cahdoge Elbrus-8S (introduced 2014, serial production since 2016) - 28 nm
Elbrus-32s has 32 cores :)
@@Distory777 "Elbrus-8SV" (introduced in 2018, serial production since 2020) - 28 nm.
Something tells me this channel will never make a 40 minute rant calling people who call out obvious mistakes propagandists
Are we talking about Lazerpig?
@@gingernutpreacher yes
@@gingernutpreacherIs Lazerpig that guy from the tankie circlejerk known as The Durant?
@@thethunderchieftain5464Durant is at least useful to hear the Russian narrative, lazerpigs pro west rants are entertaining but largely inconsequential unless you enjoy internet drama.
I'm sure he's been on the receiving end of that sort of people, especially after the Su-57 series.
65nm chips are really completely adequate for the vast majority of military embedded applications. Especially for the radiation resistant types that are commonly used in space.
The problem I would see for Russia is keeping the fabs running efficiently over time without imports.
Mikron is basically working in sanction environment for 9 years. They are repairing and making parts for an old ASML machine themselfes for a quite time. 65nm is quite expensive (cause of deffect rate) for Mikron, but they can do 90nm quite efficient tho (cause it was designed for this node process originally).
F-35 is considered a computational monster, by military aviation standards. And it's 16nm. 65 or 90 is very workable. Fighter jets aren't smartphones.
So you need more of them, and a bigger cooler... in a 20,000 lb plane, it's not gonna make that much of a dent.
@@jameschalkwig787 huawei is fabless. It doesn't produce anything.
But things are changing very fast on this
, and there's more things needed for the military other then the front line / fired military Hardware
a missile that need to endure high G might need older and more robust fabrication
but the radar (both the transmitter and the data processor), plane flight computer
can benefit on lower nanometer fabrication
the command system, simulation (for command and manufacture), drone control, data transfer, image recognition, intel verify and integration…
all can benefit from the process power increase of better fabrication technique
and currently the war wasn't fought starting with nuclear EMP bomb
@@chrisdt2297 true that.
Thank you for your hard work and honesty, respectful, and neutral approach to the content you create. Very much appreciated in a world where respect seems to be a dying concept.
I said it before, you usually are so accurate that your credit is good.
Videos like this doesn't hurt your credibility but improves it since it shows that accuracy and facts govern this channel.
This is hands down one of the most professional channels on RUclips. I salute you for your honesty and humility and thank you for your excellent content.
Mega respect. Everyone makes mistakes, not everyone admits to them. Keep it on Millenium 7.
Stalin behind hostile to computers is actually a misnomer. There were signifcant factions within the ministries which were squabbling over how computers should be used and particularly their use in Gosplan, the central planning agency. It is a very deep topic but suffice to say that the popular rejection of computer technology during the Stalin era was actually driven mostly by journalists for various media outlets which latched onto the idea of it being bourgeious which then led public opinion to reject it.
The events described refer to the times of Khrushchev and Brezhnev, but not Stalin.
@@Vladimir-ui3ij go back and read the slide
8s is 16 nanometer
And it’s a completely other architecture
It handles instruction sets that are multiple times longer than x86 even. This allows it to run at lower clock speed. It’s similar to avx 512 instruction Set for Intel. But Elbrus is 1024.
I don’t have all the numbers now. So I’ll stay away from concrete claims.
Elbrus 8s can ein modern games
But it is made to mostly run enterprise workerloads.
Elbrus 8s is 2021 design.
If you are interested, I can help you get more information about this.
The Chinese have launched their 14 nm fab recently, so Russia will probably have an option to manufacture its Elbrus chips there, though not officially (just like Elbrus and Baykal CPUs/SoCs continue to be manufactured now in clandestine ways by an unknown party).
that is why they build it. To have administration run 50-100 000 PC's. Country is independent and they now have monitors that are low res and good enoungh for the administration.
@@maxmagnus777 no no administration so much love thin apple monitors they will never remove them
ruclips.net/video/VkyloQGXMf0/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/VkyloQGXMf0/видео.html (playing games on the engeneering sample of Elbrus 16C in x86-translation mode)
I tip my hat to you sir! I am a follower from back then when you only had a few hundred subscribers, I started to avoid your videos recently because it seemed like at some point you became biased, but I was wrong. You are a reliable source of non-biased information. Keep up the good work!!!!!
I love how much you devote to error corrections.
So many other channels just make a comment or small post that never reaches people. You make whole videos.
A most informative video M7.
You were man enough to "fess up" to your errors, as we say in Texas.
That deserves a 👍.
Double 👍👍 for the additional info on on Russians seeking a different approach from current lithographic tech.
Baikal-M (2019-2022) - 28 nm
Baikal-S (2021) - 16 nm (production delayed due to sanctions)
Elbrus-8S (introduced 2014, serial production since 2016) - 28 nm
Of course, the line of processors is much larger. I just showed that two companies produce chips with different technical processes.
The new samples presented СPU at 16/12nm and even 6nm, but production is not possible due to Taiwan sanctions after 2022.
Those processors were designed in Russia but they were meant to be manufactured in Taiwan fabs hence the 28 and 16 nm. There are sadly no 16nm capable fabs in Russia.
Sanctions become useless. A Chinese company SMEE has fully developed its 28 nm lithograph. So the American sanctions in the field of microelectronics have completely failed!
Baikal CEO is in prosecuted about since 2015
@@AndreyPetroff Wrong! SMEE hasn't yet reached 28nm. The best they can provide is 90nm, and even that isn't mass-produced. That 28nm they announced is still prototype phase; however, they do struggle with the optic modules.
@aphsalina he is not bankrupt. Don't spread fakes
You have said a few times you believe Sukhoi is creating their own chips, I was surprised you never mentioned that.
Perhaps they are limited to designing the chips and the manufacture is done by third party companies
To fill in, Sukhoi likely designs, but they still need to produce them somewhere. Taiwanese TSMC manufactured their custom chip in their state-of-the-art fab. Unlucky for them, that supply is closed by sanction after the Ukraine invasion.
I'm not an expert by far but the argument that a country practically only needs "good enough" chips to run its production industry, calculations and weaponry can be called self sufficient seems logical. The problem with "traditional" chip design is, that the denser you build them the more fragile they become. In order to integrate chips with similar output as 12nm and below into a weapon or industry you better develop a completely new, rugged chip design where nm do not play a role at all.
yah, western and chinese obsession of AI and data crunching and spying every people and click demands ever better chips but if dont need this, even games can run with "older" chips, coz people cant buy 1000$ cpu in russia probably anyway. Im really impressed they have carried on this after soviet union collapse, that needs serious dedication even EU with its massive budgets can achieve, for similar reasons as in soviet union, just easier for companies and citizens buy intel or amd products and thus no demand for competition.
@@effexonthere is more people buying 1k$ cpu in russia than in most eu countries tho
Ah, no. Smaller means less mass. In weapons you want a tiny mass due to huge acceleration, especially at impact. Smart penetrating munitions fire at least two rounds, one to penetrate and the other to kill. In this case small is beautiful.
@@johnryan8645 yet military industry doesn't implement denser chips.
Litography is an artform for itself. The tech used in stabilization machinery alone is "from another galaxy" because it has to negotiate any microscopic-tiny vibrations. And even with such technology the amount of damaged crystals is quite big.
In other words - there must be a new, great technological breakthrough in order to produce stable and rugged enough chips for the military
@@cccpredarmyNASA uses 100nm or "bigger" as magnetism, solar flares and other issues in space are just very hard to solve in tinier chips + similar extreme requirements as Id imagine 2mach flying missile needs in heat, pressure, possible magnetism disruptions. So there are, or they can use same companies NASA uses, just these things fall under things media doesnt talk about for reasons(mil use manufacturing/supply chains in detail).
That's why I consider this channel to be one of the best. You explain and discuss things that are completely out of my professional background, and with videos like this I know I can trust the information because it's curated in the content and the sources like a fellow scientist would do, or an engineer, or...I was about to say a journalist, but... well, journalism is not supposed to be taken seriously anymore.
Kudos to you, thank you for the clarifications and... keep It up!
Going back to the video, it would be interesting to know the status of the European silicon industry at this point, how does it compare to the Russian's? Are we on the right track or are we completely dependent from the USA and Taiwan as well?
I wonder if the strategic cooperation deal between Russia and China will include free sharing of knowledge between their engineers so they can achieve their common goal of self-sufficiency in microelectronics faster. Knowledge sharing between brains from different cultural education systems has always been synergetic in Science and Technology.
China sharing it's technology with Russia is naive wishful thinking. They could have done so already but they haven't because they want tech supremacy. They know they are far ahead of Russia and they have none intention of just giving that to Russia
Probably not
@@jameslight4391cooooooppopppeeeee😅
Depends on how you define “synergistic”. Both China and Russia have been good at taking western technology and adapting it for their uses. There hasn’t been much in the way of innovation from either, which makes sense as the expensive R+D costs are paid by others.
@@hhkk6155 how?
Thank you, the video was pretty interesting for me to watch as someone who worked in russian microelectronics for about 15 years or so.
The break is over, time to go to tear down yet another washing machine to mine some microcontrollers.☺
Thanks for setting the record straight. This is yet another outstanding video from you.
How did Otis reacted to this new info?. He doesn't appear in this video and I started worrying about his fate. Thank you again for the good job signiore
He doesn't? Are you sure? Did you just listen or watched it? 😄
@@Millennium7HistoryTech Not live dear signiore. Just images of him. I stillworry😊
You are a rarity, very honest from your side. Kudos to you 👍
Despite all of the doom and gloom NY western analysts the Russian weapons manufacturers have no issues supplying their troops and eliminating NATO weapons.
Love the mention to Asianometry! It's such a great channel
Thanks for this erratum video that speaks a lot about your intellectual integrity. Please keep that good spirit that we miss so much today.
This channel has quickly become one of, if not my favorite, thanks.
YOU, sir, are a TRUE academic. This is the mark of a gentleman.
You're probably correct that Russia is 10-15 years behind in the latest microchips, and although Russia is trying to catch up, Russia can already produce most of the chips it needs for the military application. Civilian application chips can be easily imported from China and the grey market. Russia's tight chip industry integration and the focus on analog circuits with a huge body of knowledge in that field makes allows Russia to produce some very specialized and very capable circuits!
They cant really produce it. Not many places you can.
@@jakubrogacz6829 Yes they can. Mikron Group, for instance, is producing custom integrated circuits amongst other MIPS based CPU with x86 emulation. They just didn't think they should be making them themselves until last year...
This is why I absolute love this channel, always reliable sources and corrections on bad ones.
State department boomers don't get it about electronics. One thing that struck me with all the 'russians can't make chips so they can't make missiles' arguments is the assumption that you need a state of the art semiconductor product to run a missile or a drone. In comparison to an NVIDIA chip a real military component can be orders of magnitude less advanced, and absolutely does not require a single digit nm process to get the job done. What it has to be is to be reliable, resistant to electronic warfare measures, run a relatively simple program and get the job done. As of now Russia can make chips capable of achieving all of the above (or import them when it's more convenient).
Montenegro is so pretty.
Really appreciate you admitting your errors. A sign of a professional and not one pretending to be one. Which is 99% of the MSM these days.
My refrigerator and washing machine here in Moscow have not been taken away (yet!) from me by military authority, I do not know if it is an isolated case, on the contrary it reminds me that other such appliances at the home of acquaintances and friends also continue to work, at least here in Moscow. I'm not an expert, maybe that their microchips are too advanced for Kinzhals and other military applications?
You make good videos, I watch them over again because they are that good. I rarely do that with other videos. Balanced, informative, humorous. Cheers
At least there's erratum in a timely manner. That put matters in balance. Kudos.
I worked in the defense industry in America, and the private sectors chips were always more advanced!
One of the reasons is that we needed the chips to be radiation hardened.
The smaller nm chips don't harden well for military applications, so 28nm or higher is fine.
Nah. Most of the time it's the ridiculously protracted development processes that make the electronics in weapons systems obsolete trash on arrival.
@@rosomak8244Don't think the US has fallen to the same level of the Arjun, if delays are the only reason old hardware is used.
The Russian semiconductor industry has yet to invest in upgrades, which the wafers' limited size indicates. You are correct that lithography is critical. Still, upgrading their entire production line to larger wafer sizes is necessary to have higher chip processing power with any acceptable yield, and, consequently, without these steps, you will have a low output of usable chips. Any upgrade for a complete next-generation production line is an enormous financial burden. This factor was the leading cause of fabless manufacturing, which we observed by TSMC's market domination. As you mentioned, only some designs require complex processors. Thus, older production lines may still fill specific vital military and space applications. Cheers.
You are partially incorrect, larger wafer size doesn’t mean better processing power. Wafer size is industry talk for advancement in nodes. Technically Larger wafer size only matters for output aka how many more chips can you fit on a single wafer. For west and most world, wafer size indicated advancement only because older lithography machines (large nodes) used 200mm and new ones (small nodes) use 300mm. Russia’s main issue is lithography machines which they have no access to. They will have to develop them in-house which will be very costly and time consuming. Russia doesn’t need to worry about wafer size since they are not not gonna be able to export chips in large quantity due to sanctions.
I work for ASML.
bleeding edge chips are ordered from TSMC, only designed by elbrus. idk how sanctions work nowadays, possibly this is blocked. Also, assuming their market is only russia and belarus, not 7-8bn citizens of globe, upgrading production lines doesnt seem worth it as demand is so much lower.
@@effexon
Yes it is blocked by American. Taiwans exists as a country because of TSMC. There is nothing else much of value it can provide for USA besides chips to be under America’s security umbrella. Unless you want to count the military industrial complex’s interest in keeping Taiwan conflict alive for their self interest.
The reason it is worth it for Russia is because they have for a while wanted and sort of have been self sufficient in order to be “sanction proof”. Their larger goal of becoming world’s super power can only be achieved through that. They lack behind in 3 critical areas for manufacturing in order to aid economically - semi conductors, civil aviation planes and cars. All three areas where Chinese are leading them and HEAVILY investing and focusing on.
Since this channel is geared more towards military, yes bleeding edge is not required at all in current military applications. It will only be important if world’s militaries want AI based platforms
@@kush662at this point speculation but if chinese manage to kickstart full domestic
They can't buy the machines needed because of the sanctions. Their only supplier is China.
Asianometry is an excelent channel. He covers mostly Asia but he really really knows what he's talking about.
Elbrus s16 clock is 2Ghz not 800Mhz and baikal elecronics production is 90nm, more than enough for technological independence
Humbly correcting yourself is a quality greatly appreciated! Keep up the good work!
Excellent.
I love you man. You are great. I am so glad I am subscribed to this channel more than any other. Never change!
Always love to watch your videos🔥
Keep up the excellent work.
China's SMEE already started mass shipping fully domestic 28nm DUV machines last month (which means that by using multiple pass techniques they can now make 7nm chips at lower yields), also they already can produce some of the crucial components of EUV lithography, such as the light source and the dual work table. So I bet that by 2027 or 2028 China will already have domestic EUV.
The light source and the dual work table, are the "easy part" of EUV. The insane stuff is the software and the mirrors.
@@cahdoge you're wrong. The light source and the dual work table are two of the three key components of an EUV lithography machine. The third one are the multilayer mirror coatings needed to reflect EUV radiation accurately and focused at a nanoscale. I don't get from where you're getting the software is a big obstacle. It's by no means an easy part, but SMS (scanner metrology software) and CLS (computational lithography software) is already being offered by multiple Chinese tech companies. For example, Huawei recently released fully domestic EDA tools that can connect directly with SMEE's CLS. Right now the key difficulty China is facing in order to produce its own domestic EUV machine are the multilayer mirror coatings, but considering the amount of money, resources and personnel they're throwing at it it's just a matter of a few years until they manage to achieve it. ASML for example gets these mirrors from Zeiss.
@@olibeau7955 if china gets EUV lithography in 2027 they fall further behind leading edge than they currently are.
@@blegi1245 what you're saying doesn't make any sense.
@@olibeau7955 china is currently 6 years behind the leader. SMIC "7nm" node has logic density of 89 million transistors per square millimeter. That is little behind what TSMC was producing in 2017 and Samsung and Intel in 2018. EUV lithography is mandatory for current leading edge nodes. Having EUV lithography only available in 2027 will push china further behind than the 6 years they currently are (and are projected to be if their next node enters production on time in 2025).
I have no idea what the correct info is but just the fact that u openly talked about your mistake and recieved criticism in such a way that u made it work for u is great, inspiring and something to admire. Good work sir!
Montenegro is a beautiful country with friendly people. My step-fathers best friend was from there. Glad it got the shout out.
Anyone who is willing to admit mistakes and correct them is a reliable person.
Everyone makes mistakes, what matters is how you react to them
Your response is the correct one. I trust your channel more, not less after this.
Thank you - I am a newish subscriber - I really appreciate your work. 👋 from Sydney Australia.
thanks for the update
Thank you for another demonstration of your honesty and integrity. We all have issues with sources, especially when researching information for a side interest, as opposed to our professional work.
Just a refreshing change to get straight information about a given topic. Wicked work!
Man you are aweosme. Please keep making videos of the Ukraine Russian war.
Its our Honor and Privilege as viewers to watch someone humble enough to correct its own errata! Thanks for your diligence.
Thank you for the microchip lecture. I read many boring electronic books and I did not learn much. Your videos are very educational for busy professionals.
Best information that I was able to find online about the current russian electronic industry, thanks
Great content as always
Check, verify and open for correction makes you different from the rest. Keep up your analysis and reports, it is interesting and truly appreciated.
Thank You for the Information you let us know about. I always enjoy your presentations.
good work mate
Luckily there are still people who can report honestly and neutrally and who see their own mistakes. I love this channel. go on like that. I have already given a licke ❤
There was a press release recently about a prototype 7nm lithography machine finishing assembly next year.
My view is that Russia agreed to buy key technologies from G7 countries thus atrophying its own in an effort to become the eight member of the club. The europhile liberals in Russia demanded as much. In the meantime, basic research and industrial espionage was going on a pace. Now the gloves are off and it's competition on all fronts.
Can you give me a link? Not out of synicism just curiosity!
I’m extremely impressed with your corrections - the source reliability that I’d rate you is even stronger now. Your initial video did make me question what I thought I knew of Russia’s chip industry and capabilities - this video helped harmonize the disparity and you did clarify some things I wasn’t as aware of. Always appreciate your content! May I recommend having guests for interviews on some of these topics, especially hypersonics, air defense, anything aviation related, drone tech moving at the pace of warfare etc. one thought, the explosion of the kakhovka dam - is it possible the very same drone tech used in the most recent attack on the Kerch Bridge was first user on this dam? Assuming the dam was in disrepair and stressed due to near record low water levels months earlier, then record high levels just before the explosion. And little evidence would be left of the drone after the breach. And I think the video released of the explosion could fail completely to identify a low flying, or partially submerged drone. I dunno just a thought at this very moment.
Very interesting, i am very interested to see what their Semiconductor capabilities are, its clear that by now they understand the importance of improving these capabilities.
Those Angstrom op-amps will sound exactly the same as any other modern op amps. Anything equal to NE5534 or better will sound the same in a blind test.
Some time in the early 2000s i was still a computer science student and I was at my first microprocessor class, so as the teacher was talking about the usual tech i asked, sir these are all American architecture processors, and they are all from the cold war era, so what about Russians, are there any examples about their designs we can study? And he said plainly no there are none, i asked no as there is none, or no we don't have access to that information? He said no they just used American tech. Well I already figured he is trying to rid himself of my nuisance so i didn't risk pestering him any further about his ignorance on the matter... now 20 years later this video gave me the answer i was looking for, actually this is perhaps the best answer i could get and since i still had that question stacked in my query queue 😉 i just get the same satisfaction from learning this information fresh as it can get, thanks sensei, you're the best 👌😀👍
There were independed architectures until CPSU banned domestic development of architectures. Yep, they did it. Yes, this is stupid.
Thank you for correcting the errors in the previous vid. I hate to be that guy, but there's one more: the node is not really "a characteristic dimension of the electronic components built into the chips, measured in nm". Mind you, it used to be, and for many Russian processes it might still be, since they're quite old, but that's no longer true for cutting-edge processes used by Intel, TSMC, Samsung, etc. The WikiChip article puts it very well:
"Historically, the process node name referred to a number of different features of a transistor including the gate length as well as M1 half-pitch. Most recently, due to various marketing and discrepancies among foundries, the number itself has lost the exact meaning it once held. Recent technology nodes such as 22 nm, 16 nm, 14 nm, and 10 nm refer purely to a specific generation of chips made in a particular technology. It does not correspond to any gate length or half pitch. Nevertheless, the name convention has stuck and it's what the leading foundries call their nodes.
Since around 2017 node names have been entirely overtaken by marketing with some leading-edge foundries using node names ambiguously to represent slightly modified processes. Additionally, the size, density, and performance of the transistors among foundries no longer matches between foundries. For example, Intel's 10 nm is comparable to foundries 7 nm while Intel's 7 nm is comparable to foundries 5 nm."
en.wikichip.org/wiki/technology_node
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Small correction: Bouquet S/B Boutique. Excellent as usual.
I have extra remarks:
* they can get more modern chipmaking equipment from china, including lithography machines
* they can get their chips from mainland china
* military hardware doesn't really need higher spec chips. the patriot missiles use 90nm chips.
* the diameter of the wafers only impact your production rate as you need certain times for exposures, deposition and the other operations, not the type of chips that can be produced, or the node at which they are produced.
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Thank you!
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Great video. Really enjoyed it
4:04 You've made another mistake. The last serialized processor is Elbrus-8SV, it has been in production since 2020. Even more advanced processors are already being planned and developed.
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It's a big man who publicly admits his mistakes.
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I liked within the first minute, owning up to an honest mistake deserves respect. I don't understand much when it comes to microchip production, but i got the general gist thanks for the update.
another great video, thank you.
3:46 Correction: Elbrus is not SPARK-based arch, it's VLIW version of old soviet arch. Though MCST did make SPARKs in the past.
Also only few Elbrus models are produced on Micron, most of them are made on TSMC.
And 800 MHz is not that bad considering parallelism of this processor.
"Elbrus-8SV", has been mass-produced since 2020, now production has been stopped due to sanctions, but there is a solid stock in warehouses. At a clock frequency of 1500 Mhz, it executes 50 commands in one clock cycle. The architecture allows you to place up to four processors on a single board with shared memory.
I did not see the first video, but this one still contains a number of critical core misconceptions.
1) A microcontroller is not a PC CPU. PC CPUs are configured for operating systems like Windows or MacOS/Linux. Microcontrollers have a completely different, generally smaller microcode set and are used for industrial applications. It is actually fairly unusual to have a PC CPU as part of an industrial control system; older Boeing airplanes use the 386 era Intel CPUs for example (including F22 raptors LOL).
2) Even beyond microcontroller vs. PC CPU - there are also a lot of different variations, particularly when you are talking about military and/or space. Radiation resistance is a big one, as is electromagnetic pulse resistance and durability.
3) Process geometry puts a cap on effective maximum clock speed, but it is a lot higher than most people think. The Intel Pentium 4 - 2003 era - had 1.3 to 3.8 GHz clock speeds even as it was 90 nm and 65 nm. Yes, Intel's process is tuned far more than the typical, but the point is that rated performance is not just a function of process geometry limits.
The one thing you should keep in mind when talking about semiconductors - is that the high end represents a high dollar percentage of the market but a low silicon percentage of the market. The notion of any nation with any significant amount of trade, not being able to access "washing machine" microcontrollers or similar semiconductors is ludicrous. There are literally a trillion semiconductors made every year - getting a few million or tens of millions is literally invisible in this gigantic river of silicon.
The Soviets did very interesting experiments with ternary computing in the 60s. Turns out, as Soviet mathematicians discovered, base 3 is the ideal base for computing, with base 2 (our regular binary) being the runner-up and base-4 the 3rd place (in the USA Donald Knuth proposed computing in base 2i, i.e. imaginary quaternary, has some advantages for processing comprex numbers). Sadly, these experiments were deprived of funds and to date nobody has started this research again
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Your English is superb for a non-native speaker especially given that you tend to focus on technical subjects where the language can be a bit different than standard English, but at 7:55 perhaps as a result of "help" from auto-correct, you have bouquet manufacturers where I think you probably intended to write boutique manufacturers. I am assuming from the context that you meant small specialized producers of microchips rather than producers of small arrangements of flowers. A minor error, the intended meaning is still clear, and the idea of high tech Russian flower arrangers did make me smile.
Noted. Thanks!
I can only applaud admitting mistakes. We all make them.
Thanks for your honesty. We already have plenty of excessively biased news sources, glad your trying not to be one of them 😊
Well thank you I definatly want to visit Motnegro looks amazing..
If we are talking about EUV then ASML (with Carl Zeiss mirrors) is the only game in town, but those machines are only needed for 7nm and beyond. 28nm and even 14/12nm does not need that level sophistication and there are multiple vendors/sources to acquire them; like from China. Even 7nm is possible without EUV via multi patterning. The node names at 45nm and beyond are mostly marketing anyway, denoting the smallest component of the transistor (in some cases not even that), the actual transistor are lot bigger in all cases. There is also a scaling issue, IO stooped around 14 -> 7nm, SRAM (cache) around 4nm, logic still scales. The only somewhat objective metrics is the million transistors per sqr mm, but that is also depending on the design. As the nodes improves the transistor design needs to improve as the electrons starting to quantum tunnel through the insulator layers preventing it to function or limit clock speeds.
What is often missed that the machine itself is not enough, you need the appropriate software for design and testing and the FPGA hardware to validate. All of these requires years if not decades to develop from scratch.