Cummins and petrol engine - is it a wise move? Meanwhile, the Ram HD is getting a new diesel - watch full story here ruclips.net/video/vQ8tFmpnOEs/видео.html
@ragingbull3406 i think direct connection/mopar already makes the 426 hemi in crate form. Thats 7L 606 hp 600 plus ft lbs of torque. Im sure itll never enter a production truck considering Stellantis has all but killed the hemis and V8s in general.
Wont happen. A turbocharged 5.7 hemi will make more torque at much better fuel efficiency. Because the same block also comes as 7 liter, there will be enough cooling capacity around the cylinders for longevity.
Absolutely nothing about this makes sense. Gasoline engines are typically picked by fleet managers and consumers based on the fact that they're ten thousand dollars or more or less than a diesel. I can't imagine they're gonna sell a single one of these. If they're a hundred horsepower down and it's an eight thousand dollar option.
Ford’s Triton V10 was/is a great 310 hp gasoline alternative to diesel. Ran that in our 550 chassis Motorhome with full water and gas tanks, pulling a car, over the Wasatch Summit a few years back. No strain, no overheating, just solid mid-range pull.
It might be worth the $8k but not if it’s just a diesel that runs on gas. Diesels have a lot of problems thanks to EPA regs. Gas engines have fewer problems. Cummins has a shot at making a beast of a commercial gas engine from scratch that will satisfy the need for reliable towing power while also working as a hillbilly status symbol.
Im not buying this video. I live in the motorcity Stellantis has packed up its HQ and mostly closed 2 very big assembly plants. Word is Jeep and Ram are moving 100% to mexico and both are on the chopping block. Turn a profit or they are done..maybe Ram should build its own Diesel power plant..just a thought.
That’s a good suspicion. Seeing that Cummins is on their own (in other words, NOT owned by Stellantis), I’m pretty certain that Cummins could sell that engine to other commercial truck makers.
@@bikdavCummins has granted exclusivity to Dodge in the 80s for the B series engine in pickups (Ford only uses them in heavier chassis-cabs). Thats why they made the 5 liter V8 to offer to other truckbrands If it wasnt and everybody had the Cummins, Fiat would have put their own 6.7 in it long ago.
Why not simply take a look at the leaning tower of power, yep the old slant 6. You could build a 7 main bearing stroker 6 with a longer stroke and bigger pistons coupled with fuel injection and boost to achieve the same at a much lower cost. Sorry everyone is fixated on horsepower, but torque is the item that gets the job done. Look at the old Ford 300, people are putting boost on them and making that power, all from their home shop operations.
I couldn't agree with you more! Inline 6's were torque powerhouses, whether it's the Ford 300, my favorite, the Chrysler slant 6 or GM's inline 6. All three companies made good inline engines. One more thing, why in the hell can't this channel use a real human for narration?
Can anyone, including who posted this, actually confirm any of this. I have not heard anything about cumins actually releasing this engine, let alone for use in Ram trucks, all i can seem to find is that its under development. Also i cannot find any confirmation that the 6.7 diesel in the ram trucks is being bumped to a higher displacement...again just rumors.
A 6.7 gasser would not have the power curve of a diesel. It would still be a high torque engine (for a gasser) but what you're going to see is a higher horsepower number and lower torque. I could imagine something like 500-550hp, 600-650lbft.
Basically, they’re trying to get diesel-like torque from gas engine, and keep it cleaner. Even the top configuration 300 hp / 660 lb ft doesn't sound impressive and ready to match what you get from a turbodiesel...
Why not go back in time and start producing the pushrods slant six again,,Make a 6.7 slant six with VVT and a big turbo ,,Keep the weight down by using aluminum alloy block,,You could easily push 400+ hp and 550flb ,,
I would love it if they just put the a new 3.0 Hurricane engine in the heavy duty trucks and then to make it even better make them hybrids so people wouldn't whine and b*tch that there was a a small engine in a heavy duty truck. The video is right, the Cummins Gas engine will have some down falls, it's gonna happen because again, Cummins is a diesel engine company. One thing I'm weirded out about is Dodge is using the Hurricane to replace the 5.7 hemi because the hurricane makes more horsepower and torque thanks to it's twin turbos, but not twin turbo the hemi? Just sayin🤷♂️
The Duke says, I'm a Ford guy but all this sounds pretty good on paper. Problem is it's going to make for an even more expensive truck that nobody's buying already. Ford included. They cost as much as a Dodge. Plus I don't know anybody that would want a 200 horsepower engine. The high torque will get you off the line but you may struggle at highway speeds with a load. They should have concentrated on improving the hemi. It looks like the 7.3 Godzilla from Ford (which I have one in my f-550) is what motivated Ram to do this. V-8 is golden in the United States. What did I teach you?
Torque brother. It's all about torque. My 2023 frontier has 310 hp. My 05 Duramax has 300hp. Guess which can drag 15k? Guess which one can pull a 3 or 4% grade empty with no downshift?
well it does no good to flood the market if you don't support the aftermarket , people are dropping dodge BC its so difficult to scan them , dodge is afraid that other people will make money and not them when dodge can't even get them into the shop or even get parts . people don't have time to wait 6 months to a year to get worked on. mho
They said "gas engine that works as a diesel"... There's a lot of torque - 660 lb-ft. Ford is getting 480 from 7.3 V8... maybe there'll be spark ignition... We'll have to wait to see all the details...
And now the company has gone broke. Why, such innovations come at heavy price tag. In the Jeep line the cheapest CJ is 45K. A fully dressed out Ram is 114K. Toledo factory workers are now laid off, and Stelantis is dying.
If it costs more than the diesel, burns twice the fuel when pulling and only has 200 Ho, I don’t want it! I’ll take the 6.4 Hemi any day. I’ve got as good as 19mpg in my 6.4 Power wagon and as bad as 11mpg. Lots of power!
They need to bring back the multi fuel engine that someone had years ago that was in the army truck ! But with these dictators in office we will be walking or horses and buggies !
Why is there ANY development being wasted on new engines? gov mandate 2035 all engines must be EMISSIONS FREE. If it burns fuel it emits emissions and is banned. Even propane-natgas & hydrogen burning engines have emissions and will be banned. While hydrogen power cells will convert hydrogen into electricity with water emissions will be permitted and electric. HOWEVER, today, hydrogen powered vehicles cost 4X what electric or gas or diesel cost to operate so lots of luck making hydrogen viable. Whether you like EV of not, it is coming. !
Like diesels... Dying, but still irreplecable when it comes to hauling heavy loads. Plus, 10 years is a long period, even without delays, this can be paid off
Cummins and petrol engine - is it a wise move?
Meanwhile, the Ram HD is getting a new diesel - watch full story here ruclips.net/video/vQ8tFmpnOEs/видео.html
I was hoping for a 7.2L Hemi. All it takes is a 4.00 stroke crank on the 6.4 The heads already flow well. The 6.4 needs more torque to compete.
I would support that as long as it had no MDS!
Had that 6.4 piece of shit 34 L per 100 km as soon as I hooked up my camper
@ragingbull3406 i think direct connection/mopar already makes the 426 hemi in crate form. Thats 7L 606 hp 600 plus ft lbs of torque. Im sure itll never enter a production truck considering Stellantis has all but killed the hemis and V8s in general.
They make a 7.0 supercharged Hemi aka the hellephant engine
Wont happen. A turbocharged 5.7 hemi will make more torque at much better fuel efficiency. Because the same block also comes as 7 liter, there will be enough cooling capacity around the cylinders for longevity.
Nothing can replace the HEMI
Definitely an upgrade for HD
To much weight for a 1500 though
if its not broke dont break it,the hemi was simply amazing.
Absolutely nothing about this makes sense. Gasoline engines are typically picked by fleet managers and consumers based on the fact that they're ten thousand dollars or more or less than a diesel. I can't imagine they're gonna sell a single one of these. If they're a hundred horsepower down and it's an eight thousand dollar option.
We'll see. Gas engine working as diesel is bold statement, but hard to do. But if they do...
Ford’s Triton V10 was/is a great 310 hp gasoline alternative to diesel. Ran that in our 550 chassis Motorhome with full water and gas tanks, pulling a car, over the Wasatch Summit a few years back. No strain, no overheating, just solid mid-range pull.
It might be worth the $8k but not if it’s just a diesel that runs on gas. Diesels have a lot of problems thanks to EPA regs. Gas engines have fewer problems. Cummins has a shot at making a beast of a commercial gas engine from scratch that will satisfy the need for reliable towing power while also working as a hillbilly status symbol.
Hope it hangs together better than the previous engine that liked to grenade way too many times .
I wonder is EPA made them use even thinner push rods and rockers than the 19+ 6.7’s, or are they going to run 0-W16 oil? 😬
Im not buying this video. I live in the motorcity Stellantis has packed up its HQ and mostly closed 2 very big assembly plants. Word is Jeep and Ram are moving 100% to mexico and both are on the chopping block. Turn a profit or they are done..maybe Ram should build its own Diesel power plant..just a thought.
That’s a good suspicion. Seeing that Cummins is on their own (in other words, NOT owned by Stellantis), I’m pretty certain that Cummins could sell that engine to other commercial truck makers.
SA hates ram apparently.
@@bikdavCummins has granted exclusivity to Dodge in the 80s for the B series engine in pickups (Ford only uses them in heavier chassis-cabs). Thats why they made the 5 liter V8 to offer to other truckbrands
If it wasnt and everybody had the Cummins, Fiat would have put their own 6.7 in it long ago.
Why not simply take a look at the leaning tower of power, yep the old slant 6. You could build a 7 main bearing stroker 6 with a longer stroke and bigger pistons coupled with fuel injection and boost to achieve the same at a much lower cost. Sorry everyone is fixated on horsepower, but torque is the item that gets the job done. Look at the old Ford 300, people are putting boost on them and making that power, all from their home shop operations.
I absolutely agree, I had a 300 six and one of the best, any inline six is ideal.
I couldn't agree with you more! Inline 6's were torque powerhouses, whether it's the Ford 300, my favorite, the Chrysler slant 6 or GM's inline 6. All three companies made good inline engines. One more thing, why in the hell can't this channel use a real human for narration?
Can anyone, including who posted this, actually confirm any of this. I have not heard anything about cumins actually releasing this engine, let alone for use in Ram trucks, all i can seem to find is that its under development. Also i cannot find any confirmation that the 6.7 diesel in the ram trucks is being bumped to a higher displacement...again just rumors.
Ram TRX wasn't official,but there were plenty of rumors and hints suggesting it will happen.
The weight of this engine would destroy the trucks load capacity compared to Ford and GM gasoline offerings.
Diesels days will come to an end????. NOT IN OUR LIFETIME.
I stopped listening when he said that. Diesel is not coming to a end, ever.
its nice to have an option get one of both or just get a scania.
Cummins has built spark ignition engines for years
Its not power or fuel efficiency, it is: selling price $ wake up stellantis 😮
A 6.7 gasser would not have the power curve of a diesel. It would still be a high torque engine (for a gasser) but what you're going to see is a higher horsepower number and lower torque. I could imagine something like 500-550hp, 600-650lbft.
Basically, they’re trying to get diesel-like torque from gas engine, and keep it cleaner.
Even the top configuration 300 hp / 660 lb ft doesn't sound impressive and ready to match what you get from a turbodiesel...
but still unique upgrade that can change things
Would love to install its most HP version to replace my Chev 350 in my 1999 GMC Yukon even if I need a new transmission. Is this possible?
Why not go back in time and start producing the pushrods slant six again,,Make a 6.7 slant six with VVT and a big turbo ,,Keep the weight down by using aluminum alloy block,,You could easily push 400+ hp and 550flb ,,
I would love it if they just put the a new 3.0 Hurricane engine in the heavy duty trucks and then to make it even better make them hybrids so people wouldn't whine and b*tch that there was a a small engine in a heavy duty truck. The video is right, the Cummins Gas engine will have some down falls, it's gonna happen because again, Cummins is a diesel engine company. One thing I'm weirded out about is Dodge is using the Hurricane to replace the 5.7 hemi because the hurricane makes more horsepower and torque thanks to it's twin turbos, but not twin turbo the hemi? Just sayin🤷♂️
You said it all with "small engine in HD" ☹️
@@LetsDriveYT Yeah but the hurricane makes 540 horsepower and 527 Lbs feet of torque. That thing deserves to be in at LEAST a 3/4 ton
The Duke says, I'm a Ford guy but all this sounds pretty good on paper. Problem is it's going to make for an even more expensive truck that nobody's buying already. Ford included. They cost as much as a Dodge.
Plus I don't know anybody that would want a 200 horsepower engine. The high torque will get you off the line but you may struggle at highway speeds with a load. They should have concentrated on improving the hemi. It looks like the 7.3 Godzilla from Ford (which I have one in my f-550) is what motivated Ram to do this. V-8 is golden in the United States.
What did I teach you?
I can read that truckers would rather take the Hurricane, than this new Cummins...
What is the price
And who can afford it
Should be priced as current Cummins ☹️ but they're about to launch a 7.2!
They spend twice as much money figuring out how to make it less reliable
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Why would they go backwards in time 😂 the more horsepower you give a diesel the better mileage!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
300 hp? I’ll keep my old 6.4
But "diesel-like" torque and fuel economy... Although I don't believe they can make gas engine work like diesel...
All day@@LetsDriveYT
How can they only have 300 HP and be compatible with Ford and GM when they're heavy-duty engines are pushing over 400 HP?
They get de tuned for reliability. What these customers will want though is torque.
Exactly.
Torque brother. It's all about torque. My 2023 frontier has 310 hp. My 05 Duramax has 300hp. Guess which can drag 15k? Guess which one can pull a 3 or 4% grade empty with no downshift?
well it does no good to flood the market if you don't support the aftermarket , people are dropping dodge BC
its so difficult to scan them , dodge is afraid that other people will make money and not them when dodge can't
even get them into the shop or even get parts . people don't have time to wait 6 months to a year to get worked on. mho
Lol. Performance is slow, slower, slowest.
🤣
Maybe so... but it`s like a Timex watch and just keeps on ticking, and ticking, and ticking.
Real Diesel Cummins engines are better
So many contradicting statements, made no sense. OK, is it a gas with spark ignition or a gas diesel?
They said "gas engine that works as a diesel"... There's a lot of torque - 660 lb-ft. Ford is getting 480 from 7.3 V8... maybe there'll be spark ignition... We'll have to wait to see all the details...
If it gets 30mpg sure. Otherwise no
Haha, HD truck?
Lol a gas one 😅😅😅😅😅
Sounds weird, but both Ram trucks and Cummins will benefit
And now the company has gone broke. Why, such innovations come at heavy price tag. In the Jeep line the cheapest CJ is 45K. A fully dressed out Ram is 114K. Toledo factory workers are now laid off, and Stelantis is dying.
Prices going up like crazy, not only Jeeps 😠
Ooooooooooh bad move cummins😐
Why? They're not giving up any other engine, and it will be better than HEMI
If it costs more than the diesel, burns twice the fuel when pulling and only has 200 Ho, I don’t want it! I’ll take the 6.4 Hemi any day. I’ve got as good as 19mpg in my 6.4 Power wagon and as bad as 11mpg. Lots of power!
They need to bring back the multi fuel engine that someone had years ago that was in the army truck ! But with these dictators in office we will be walking or horses and buggies !
325HP seems pretty low for a 6.7L engine. I have a 4.6L that puts out 305HP
And torque?
@@LetsDriveYT these hp and torque specs are about the same as a 2006 Cummins
Why is there ANY development being wasted on new engines? gov mandate 2035
all engines must be EMISSIONS FREE. If it burns fuel it emits emissions and is banned.
Even propane-natgas & hydrogen burning engines have emissions and will be banned.
While hydrogen power cells will convert hydrogen into electricity with water emissions will be permitted and electric. HOWEVER, today, hydrogen powered vehicles cost 4X what electric or gas or diesel cost to operate so lots of luck making hydrogen viable.
Whether you like EV of not, it is coming.
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Like diesels... Dying, but still irreplecable when it comes to hauling heavy loads. Plus, 10 years is a long period, even without delays, this can be paid off
Ram is imploding.
Don't have to worry about selling no more pickup at Ram, up the price anymore.
And there junk electronics
Hahahaha, ram is done!!!
Not yet 😉