Unpacking Beforel Orel | Moral Orel Prequel

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    Looking into the simultaneously hilarious and dark anatomy of the 2006 show Moral Orel.
    My cover of No Children on SoundCloud: soundcloud.app.goo.gl/sgifH
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    Music (In order heard):
    No Children - Meromorphic (The Mountain Goats - Cover)
    Bughici - Suite for Violin
    Bartok - Roumanian Folk Dances
    by Advent Chamber Orchestra
    Danzi: Wind Quintet Op 67 No 3 In E-Flat Major, 2 Andante Moderato
    by Soni Ventorum Wind Quintet
    Albinoni - Concerto for 2 Oboes in F Major Op9 no3, 3 Allegro
    by Advent Chamber Orchestra
    Winter Reflections
    by Kevin Macleod
    Vivaldi - Credo: Crucifixus
    by Advent Chamber Orchestra
    Smoother Mood
    Windswept
    by Kevin Macleod
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Комментарии • 773

  • @susamogus8331
    @susamogus8331 Год назад +3996

    For anyone wondering, Cunningham’s law states that “Anything that can go wrong will go wrong”

    • @CmasterYT
      @CmasterYT Год назад +41

      Good to know!

    • @yasthemann
      @yasthemann Год назад +480

      isn't it murphys law??

    • @fod-der1028
      @fod-der1028 Год назад +86

      @@yasthemann lol. Lmao

    • @DogsandPennies
      @DogsandPennies Год назад +618

      Just for the sake of anyone who's confused. Cunningham's law states that saying something you know is wrong on the internet is the quickest way to get information (because people will spring in to correct you).

    • @yasthemann
      @yasthemann Год назад +125

      @@DogsandPennies bro omg 😭

  • @jennaferwhite9547
    @jennaferwhite9547 Год назад +4981

    Unfortunately this means that there was a moment in Orel's life where he was invited into his father's study, got very excited, and then was beaten with a belt.

    • @naan000
      @naan000 Год назад

      :(

    • @Fredbear185
      @Fredbear185 Год назад +26

      He's gotta learn somehow 🤷‍♂

    • @garydomaz1849
      @garydomaz1849 Год назад +126

      That’s very very disappointing

    • @noneplease787
      @noneplease787 11 месяцев назад +423

      ​@@Fredbear185Children should NEVER, NEVER be beaten. If you think abuse is a good thing to do PLEASE never have children. Actually, never even be around them

    • @silly_little_scrunkly
      @silly_little_scrunkly 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@Fredbear185can someone make sure this person isnt legally allowed within a 10 mile radius of any child?
      thanks

  • @sinistaart
    @sinistaart Год назад +2720

    I love how Orel become a loving husband and a father to his family. I'm sad that the show got cancelled just because it went too dark even though at the end, there's always a happy ending during the dark times.

    • @afellowpotato
      @afellowpotato 11 месяцев назад +14

      I'm just replying so you can see how much likes you got

    • @Ivan-om9sp
      @Ivan-om9sp 10 месяцев назад

      @@afellowpotatoyes

    • @melynn_0355
      @melynn_0355 5 месяцев назад +28

      After being told exactly **why** Moral Orel was cancelled, it will always leave a permanent distaste in my mouth for adult swim

    • @armoredman6941
      @armoredman6941 4 месяца назад

      @@melynn_0355I feel like the show definitely went too far and I don’t blame them for pulling the plug

    • @MachFiveFalcon
      @MachFiveFalcon 2 месяца назад +11

      @@armoredman6941It's tough because while I empathize with people who have been abused or can't watch certain parts of the show for other reasons, the reality of abuse is why we need shows like Moral Orel to help confront it in the first place. There's people who suffered from abuse who find validation of their experiences and a voice in this show.

  • @Mecha_Neko
    @Mecha_Neko Год назад +3878

    So just as clarification for Stopframe, he knocked Bloberta up as a scheme to get Clay to see that she cheated and divorce her, so Stopframe could swoop in and steal Clay.
    Kinda insane how he manipulated both of them for his own gain just for it to be for nothing in the end. Like, imagine trying that hard to sabotage an already toxic marriage just to turn around and call the whole thing off at the end, leaving everyone involved more broken and alone than before.

    • @gothicMCRgirl
      @gothicMCRgirl Год назад +524

      Yeah, I feel like a lot of people are just a tad too quick to forgive Stopframe when he was just as conniving as Clay through most of the show. Just biding his time, waiting for Bloberta’s infidelity to destroy the marriage, all while Shapey is an unwitting victim of it all. Like, I understand that Stopframe ultimately did the right thing by rejecting Clay and forging a better relationship with Orel, but yeah, my man was a jackass for the majority of the show before that.

    • @ethanspicer3471
      @ethanspicer3471 Год назад +236

      @@gothicMCRgirl I think it’s because unlike Clay Stopframe realizes that being a piece of shit isn’t getting him any where and finds joy in being a decent person

    • @jennatale
      @jennatale Год назад +194

      @@ethanspicer3471 it's still disgusting tho. I could never forgive someone like that. And orel doesn't know what stopframe did, thats why he is so forgiving to him.

    • @swiggydswirl330
      @swiggydswirl330 Год назад +17

      Sigma Type Grind. I love to see it

    • @tarrahrusso4514
      @tarrahrusso4514 Год назад +35

      Someone did something similar to me once. They got with my ex to make me jealous, ended up making lies up about me to make him hate me. It ended with everyone going their own ways, clearly fucked up due to the shit that happened. They came clean two years later that nothing was true. Me and the guy got back together, and a whole lot of pain could have been avoided

  • @honeydarlinggaming9156
    @honeydarlinggaming9156 Год назад +1728

    I find it odd that nobody mentioned that Orel even as an adult has a picture of his two COMICALLY ABUSIVE PARENTS on his wall DESPITE everything that happeneed with them. Is a testiment to how innocent and pure he was.

    • @the6597
      @the6597 Год назад +147

      I think there's also a picture of an adult shapey as a cop hanging above the couch

    • @nrishiee5231
      @nrishiee5231 Год назад +182

      It can also be read to a testament of how good hearted he really is at his core, that despite everything his parents have done to him, that he can still unconditionally love them, while not forgetting their past actions. I find it sweet. Sad, but also sweet.

    • @garydomaz1849
      @garydomaz1849 Год назад +68

      The truth is, speaking from personal experience of abusive parents, you can both love your abusive, garbage parents and still abhor their vile acts. Both can exist at the same time. Now I personally agree with you. My dad was a POS to me my entire childhood and I damn sure won’t be honoring him, but some people still love their parents and honor them despite the damage and trauma they’ve caused. I have no idea how they do it but they do.

    • @lewisperez6469
      @lewisperez6469 11 месяцев назад +9

      ​@garydomaz1849 you ain't alone, being blood is never enough.

    • @thriller7722
      @thriller7722 8 месяцев назад +6

      Honor thy father and thy mother, he wants to be good even if others aren't

  • @waldornprime5567
    @waldornprime5567 Год назад +704

    in about 5 years, Clay and Bloberta went through over 5000 different versions of the Lust Guard. What an immaculate work rate those designers have.

    • @Meromorphic
      @Meromorphic  5 месяцев назад +47

      Either that or it's named like GPU's. Then the next iteration is gonna be the Lust Guard 365™ where you have to pay a subscription or the screen goes transparent

    • @waldornprime5567
      @waldornprime5567 5 месяцев назад +9

      @@Meromorphic Will it have a bluetooth speaker?

    • @aladushek2124
      @aladushek2124 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@waldornprime5567 And they will be playing audio from videos on orange youtube.

    • @wrldunknown
      @wrldunknown 4 месяца назад +3

      Sounds like apple

  • @VhsGutter
    @VhsGutter Год назад +740

    Anyone else notice how Clay just drives up his car on anything, yards sidewalks damn playgrounds, bastard doesn't care. Its just gets me laughing

    • @jankycc
      @jankycc 7 месяцев назад +13

      @@Just_a_DHMIS_fan wouldnt surprise me if hes also kinda drunk when he drives

    • @xokali4299
      @xokali4299 3 месяца назад

      He’s the mayor I’d be crashing into stuff too

  • @neonespeonclash1481
    @neonespeonclash1481 Год назад +464

    I love the lines “It starts out innocently enough with little Orel jumping to his near death.”

    • @tuckerwurden2534
      @tuckerwurden2534 5 месяцев назад +7

      Did you notice that orel fell in a family guy fall

  • @lildeadgirl1443
    @lildeadgirl1443 Год назад +991

    I met Scott Adsit once and fangirled, saying he was in one of my all time favorite shows. He was very nice and said something about 30 Rock but when I said it was Moral Orel he stopped everything, asked for my name, and stuck around and talked to me for awhile. It was really lovely to see how much he clearly cared about the project

    • @Hiphop618
      @Hiphop618 11 месяцев назад +68

      This makes me really happy to hear. If I'm ever lucky enough to meet him I'll for sure bring up this show!

    • @Eggly69
      @Eggly69 7 месяцев назад +5

      And then everyone clapped

    • @adam_stanheight
      @adam_stanheight 5 месяцев назад +44

      @@Eggly69 because nothing ever happens?

    • @Eggly69
      @Eggly69 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@adam_stanheight If someone says it in the comments sections, 9/10 times it's a lie for clout and those sweet updoots

    • @trustytrest
      @trustytrest 5 месяцев назад +37

      ​@@Eggly69 Like how you're whining so you can pretend you look smart and get updoots 😂

  • @jamile363
    @jamile363 Год назад +1753

    a part of me still hopes that maybe, now that moral orel is starting to blow up and getting popular again, *maybe* netflix or any streaming service could pick this series up again and we could finally get a direct continuation of the story right where we left..
    i know that's impossible to happen but i still have hope 😭

    • @I_Dislike_YouTube_Handles
      @I_Dislike_YouTube_Handles Год назад +67

      HBO Max literally already has and owns it.

    • @names_are_useless
      @names_are_useless Год назад +35

      Maybe Season 4 isn't such a pipedream after all

    • @ashy_inking1476
      @ashy_inking1476 Год назад +90

      @@I_Dislike_RUclips_Handles Isn't HBO Max getting worse though? Like cancelling Infinity Train for example

    • @catd5307
      @catd5307 Год назад +53

      @@ashy_inking1476 yup, HBO Max has been cancelling some really good animated shows

    • @2D.is.anxious
      @2D.is.anxious Год назад +3

      channel 4 has!

  • @zaponator
    @zaponator Год назад +945

    I sorta thought Coach Stopframe was simply trying to get Clay and Bloberta to divorce. He couldn't be too direct (i.e. get caught banging Bloberta) because I think his plan revolved around being the shoulder for Clay to cry on. He sowed the seeds (heh) of their divorce by intentionally impregnating Bloberta with a child Clay would _know_ wasn't his, but couldn't directly tie back to Stopframe because he cut the affair short. And to be fair, I guess it did almost work.

    • @blacksesamecandies
      @blacksesamecandies Год назад +54

      It is odd and since the true depths of their relationship are kept vague it's hard to say. By all means, it seemed like at the very least an emotional affair. but the show almost all but shows us they could've been in a sexual relationship as well. If you recall the collage of photos of Clay and Daniel having a picnic in the episode "Satan". There was also some shots of them leaving the bar together to another location or coming over to one's house. Plus the almost public gay kiss in "Nesting" which was quite bold in a place like Moralton, but neither seemed to hesitate. So it's like ??? I guess they were doing *something*.
      So why not just keep doing the affair and keep up the image of the marriage? I guess Stopframe wanted Clay entirely to himself, although it seemed he nearly had that all but in official name??? It's one part of the story I wish had a tiny bit more explaination since it was one of the key reasons the family was fractured and seemingly a big plotpoint.

    • @ALunarLight
      @ALunarLight Год назад +36

      I remember Stopframe saying something about wanting to be closer to Clay when it was called out by him.
      So it's either he was trying to break up his marriage or the fact that Boberta had a child with clay made him feel like they'd be closer if they both had kids with her? Iike him and Clay having their own little family

  • @Cure_Hana
    @Cure_Hana Год назад +1044

    Arthur might’ve been part of the reason why Clay turned out to be so bitter and insecure, but it seems like he eventually realized that what he did was wrong (albeit too late). When he finally sees his son again after years of ignoring each other, the first thing Arthur says is, “I blame myself for how you treated Orel.” Furthermore, I think he keeps silent when Clay starts venting his own frustrations because he feels conflicted on how to respond. On one hand, you can see a small hint of guilt as Arthur recalls which memory his son is referring to; but on the other hand, he also sees it as Clay continuing to play the victim when he’s just as much at fault for some of his own shitty decisions.

    • @garydomaz1849
      @garydomaz1849 Год назад

      “I blame myself for how you treat Orel.” That’s a very narcissistic way of apologizing. Like dude just fucking apologize to your son for being a dick.

    • @alfonshedstrom9859
      @alfonshedstrom9859 9 месяцев назад +36

      This happens very often. Grandparents acting nice to grandkids is often them just them trying to wiggle their way into heaven for the terrible things they did to their kids.

    • @devinodriscoll
      @devinodriscoll 5 месяцев назад +12

      And I think Arthur is still in the wrong for not giving Clay a reality check along with some empathy. So much wrong could’ve been avoided had Arthur only acknowledged the pain Clay had endured, and doubled down on not letting him continue the cycle.

    • @thesalvager3020
      @thesalvager3020 5 месяцев назад +32

      ​@@alfonshedstrom9859Given what the creator said about what the had planned for seasons after 3 with the grandfather being less religious, I doubt this was the reason Arthur was kind to Orel. He seemed to genuinely realize he'd been a piece of shit to his kid and was trying not to fuck up Orel, protecting his innocence on where chickens come from and trying to teach him about lying.

    • @facundomontivero2299
      @facundomontivero2299 5 месяцев назад +23

      @@alfonshedstrom9859 That's so ironic for you to say that, since Arthur is agnostic, so he doesn't give a single shit about "getting into heaven", he just got wiser and realised what he did wrong.

  • @christinamansen8636
    @christinamansen8636 11 месяцев назад +170

    It is my personal Cannon that Orel's grandfather does move in with his family after end of the show, and that is why Orel is able to remain uncorrupted. Because in the finale there is no hope, no reason for Orel to remain pure and optimistic and he is clearly losing that part of himself. I like to think that his grandfather then came and was able to guide Orel to understanding that he did not have to honor his father anymore, and could instead simply get out and honor himself instead by giving his children the life he never got to have.

  • @corythomas474
    @corythomas474 Год назад +561

    I watched this show when I was 13, about a year after my parents' divorce, and it changed me so thoroughly that I don't think I would have survived without it. Thanks for going over it so well, you've done a great service to the show and to those of us who needed it

    • @luvs2spwge302
      @luvs2spwge302 Год назад +9

      I watched it last year and I was 12 and like damn I relate to Orel so much (other then still being Christian I used to be exactly like him in that way too) like even my dad acts like Clay so after nature I was crying so much

    • @ashy_inking1476
      @ashy_inking1476 Год назад +7

      I watched it when I was thirteen as well, two years after my dad died (my mom and him would divorce anyways if they stayed together since they were extremely toxic)

    • @lucky-em
      @lucky-em Месяц назад +1

      I was 12 going on 13 in 2009 when I first watched the show and the first one I watched was unfortunately the "God's Chef" episode. I think it's funny in some parts but it was a strange experience for a first impression. And little did I know, I'd be going down a rabbit hole into a series that got darker as it went on as I'd watch some episodes randomly and not in order (it's been so long and i remember not watching all episodes when i was younger) Turn the other cheek has always been my favorite episode. I remember when beforel orel came out when I was in my second year of high school. I was excited and I was hoping for more episodes (that unfortunately never happened). I watched the show again in 2022 when I saw a lot of people making videos on it out of the blue. I watched all episodes in order during my break at work or when I'm at home in order to reintroduce myself to the show I forgot was a thing at some point. It makes me sad it got canceled the way it did and I wish we had more episodes that gave us a deep dive/backstory on every single character in moralton. One can only hope that can happen someday.

  • @ivanbluecool
    @ivanbluecool Год назад +1076

    Honestly the show as the years go by it feels like It also expands with how people repeat the acts of the past. Much like boondocks that take satire of the opposite side of the argument really showing that any and all groups need to have a mirror placed over them and show their hypocritical aspects.

  • @averagegordonenjoyer3141
    @averagegordonenjoyer3141 Год назад +1229

    stephanie being a furry would be canon , shed have one of those kemono fursuits with the anime eyes

  • @scootie_scoot
    @scootie_scoot 11 месяцев назад +108

    I love beforel Orel, because it’s a pretty accurate depiction of hereditary trauma, and grandparents regretting their actions of treating their own kids badly and trying to “do it over” with grandchildren

  • @cool_man_II
    @cool_man_II Год назад +171

    "Oh, boy! What's a grandpa?" hit hard!🤣🤣

    • @Meromorphic
      @Meromorphic  Год назад +22

      Hands down my favorite line of an episode filled with many greats!

    • @cool_man_II
      @cool_man_II Год назад +4

      @@Meromorphic It is hilarious!

  • @mariaalacran6233
    @mariaalacran6233 Год назад +243

    stephanie is absolutely a furry, look at her. her fursona is a possum that she commissions grunge/punk art of.

    • @mariaalacran6233
      @mariaalacran6233 Год назад +20

      i made this comment before finishing the video, but since icp are also furries my point stands. :P

    • @fenrirsrage4609
      @fenrirsrage4609 11 месяцев назад +7

      I can 100% belive that to be perfectly honest. And also yeah Violent J from the Insane Clown Posse has a furry daughter who he supports.

    • @MiiPunchy
      @MiiPunchy 11 месяцев назад +5

      ​@@mariaalacran6233that's so real

    • @alfonshedstrom9859
      @alfonshedstrom9859 9 месяцев назад

      People with possum fursonas stink like shit and hate authority but give mad head

    • @Eggly69
      @Eggly69 7 месяцев назад +1

      Or maybe she just likes possums, not everything is a wierd, degenerate hyperfixation
      Touch grass

  • @julealero7689
    @julealero7689 Год назад +240

    I think you failed to mention that dino wanted to make before orel a series. He was no longer interested in continuing seasons 4 and 5. Before Orel was supposed to be the pilot of this spinoff show.

    • @Meromorphic
      @Meromorphic  Год назад +57

      Interesting. It makes sense. But I did not run into that fact when I was making this.

    • @julealero7689
      @julealero7689 Год назад +18

      @@Meromorphic it's okay. thank you so much for making this video!!!

  • @kandicefranky3253
    @kandicefranky3253 Год назад +113

    I'll call out the logic I see happening in real life with Grandpa Arthur. He knew he messed up with his son and hates him, but not Orel. It might be because Grandpa Arthur had a grudge with Clay, with his child, but none with his actual grandchild so he turns into a decent grandparent.
    There are lots of cases where granparents were absolutely abusive or terrible people to their kids but by the time the next generation is here, they turn into more understanding people. Being alone for so long gives themtime for some serious reflection, as well as the fact that age usually begets wisdom .My mom says 'Sometimes, they just chill out with old age'.
    My take is it might also be the crippling, existential dread that comes with aging and dying all alone or the more progressive geenration now calling out grandparents on their bullshit and forcing them to confront their awful behaviour. Despite the problems with their children who are now adults, children are more innocent and adorable so there are times where their grudges don't carry over into the next generation.

    • @fuy1648
      @fuy1648 10 месяцев назад +1

      As a grandchild this show is so real.

    • @spagetter
      @spagetter 2 месяца назад +1

      i feel like it's the very simple fact that grandparents, even involved, aren't as responsible for raising their grandkids so there's much less frustration generated with them. Which is also why it's so much easier to be cool uncle/aunt/etc.
      E.G. when a child constantly screams an exhausted parent wants to find the fastest method to shut them up (which often ends up as physical abuse), rather than contemplate WHY that child screams and try to resolve it in a way that satisfies both child and the parent (children are irrational, their worries insignificant, why should I care?). A grandpa that lives in a faraway farm is energetic enough to take some time trying to find the solution.

  • @clumsyrobot4750
    @clumsyrobot4750 Год назад +76

    the blood in the bathtub orel was in is his friends's blood, not some random baby blood

  • @abigailaceves9230
    @abigailaceves9230 Год назад +270

    I just discovered the shows early this year and it has become one of my favorite shows. I still wish we could see the other episodes that Dino S. had planned before it got cancelled.

    • @Alex_Off-Beat
      @Alex_Off-Beat Год назад +10

      Hopefully Moral Orel's new popularity will make that a possibility! A lot of cancelled shows are getting continued nowadays...

  • @ivanbluecool
    @ivanbluecool Год назад +157

    The more I see moral Orel. The more I love it as I see more and more details and I'm an eagle eyed watcher so the rewatches add more to the cast.
    The special was probably better on my rewatch as I could see the potential we didn't get from the show being cancelled

  • @marywolfgang1621
    @marywolfgang1621 Год назад +75

    I think Stopframe was trying to cause more tension in Clay's marriage to split them up, and it works out sorta

  • @Faetilla666
    @Faetilla666 Год назад +76

    Stephanie being a juggalette is a headcanon that makes sense honestly

  • @Skokapus
    @Skokapus Год назад +98

    i love the running gag that they never name that buzz cut red haired kid, they just call him "that one" or "him"

    • @ChefTM
      @ChefTM Год назад +2

      The running gag you say? Almost as if it’s always been a comedy??? Almost as if you are completely wrong????? Lol

    • @Skokapus
      @Skokapus Год назад +16

      @@ChefTM i’m not saying the show wasn’t never a comedy, i’m just saying that season 3 was definitely not a comedy (that much)

    • @expwnged
      @expwnged Год назад +19

      @@ChefTM comedies (any pretty much anything) can have running gags unless I'm missing something, what point are you trying to convey here

    • @ChefTM
      @ChefTM Год назад +3

      @@expwnged there was a previous argument on a different thread where this fella called this show not a comedy. And subsequently that adult swim wasn’t a comedy network. I was adamant in disproving that.

    • @expwnged
      @expwnged Год назад

      @@ChefTM ooo okay

  • @iizcraft8167
    @iizcraft8167 Год назад +199

    I love how you touched on how Orel keeps his faith in the end. I’m a devout Christian who LOVES this show, and I think it covers some absolutely real and important issues within religion. It never says Christianity is bad, throughout the show people twist the Bible for their own gain, and never really teach it. There’s so much hypocrisy exhibited in towns like Orel’s, and I think they show that better than any other show I’ve seen.

    • @nimbuscloud5175
      @nimbuscloud5175 7 месяцев назад +3

      Orel is also an overly trusting simpleton. Or worse, he can be quite smart, but chooses not to think, and to let himself be guided by other people. That, in and of itself, is an indictment on religion, religion IS in essence, someone else telling you what and how you should think, and claiming they have divine authority to do so.
      He's also shown as a rare exception to the rule, and it's his good qualities that allow him to rise above the toxicity making almost everyone else in moralton miserable, not the faith he shares with everyone else.
      I think it's cool that you can enjoy it anyway, and acknowledge there are problems within your religion that it highlights, but I feel it absolutely, very strongly implies that religion is bad. I feel like denying that kind of distorts it to fit your agenda, which is totally appropriate and on-brand... so...

    • @irondolphin9387
      @irondolphin9387 7 месяцев назад +7

      ⁠@@nimbuscloud5175I see where you’re coming from, but the major hole in this argument is that Orel keeps his faith. If the show had been a general bashing of religion, why is it that Orel’s good ending sees him hold onto it?
      This show is still definitely a heavy criticism of a particular type of Christianity, but it’s specifically the Bible thumping hypocrites the town represents. These people don’t have genuine faith, instead using the concept of God to further their own agendas. They claim to know what God wants, but have not answered besides “God said so”. Religion isn’t the source of the town’s hypocrisy. Clay’s flaws come from a warped value system due to his abuse and his alcoholism, with his “faith” only being a deflection of his own sins.
      To me, the message of Moral Orel is that Christianity in America is in a sickly state and is abused by terrible people. The solution doesn’t seem to be atheism specifically (Arthur lost his faith and still abused and neglected Clay), but being a good person that able to see through the bullshit of the world, regardless of the faith you follow.

    • @nimbuscloud5175
      @nimbuscloud5175 6 месяцев назад +4

      @@irondolphin9387 You're mistaken, that's not a hole in the argument. Morel can absolutely keep his faith, and the show can still show religion in a bad light, those two things are not exclusive. That's what happened, in fact. I've already refuted this point, by saying Morel is good in spite of his faith, not because of it. Nothing about Orel's faith makes him good. Orel is a good person, and also happens to have faith in christianity, he is one of the few.
      You tacitly agree with me in your last line there, about him being able to see though the bullshit, regardless of his faith.
      Stephanie is the only reasonable, well-adjusted person in the town, and she's an intentionally tropy atheist. Don't forget her. Athiesm also isn't r responsible for for Arthur being abusive, it isn't a codified ideology. It's not an answer to any kind of philosophical question, it's the (correct, by the way), possition that there's no good, compelling, reality-based reason to believe in a deity, especially not a deity described in any organize religion.
      So why do I get to say Arthur's actions aren't based on Atheism, but you don't get to say everyone else's actions aren't based on christianity? Well, I'll tell you No True Scotsman, because religion does claim to answer those questions and to have authority to tell you what to do. Atheism just listens to that and says. "I don't believe you, and won't unless you can show me a good reason to."

    • @irondolphin9387
      @irondolphin9387 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@nimbuscloud5175 Yes, Orel keeping his faith and the show criticizing the religious hypocrites of America isn’t mutually exclusive. However, the idea that religion is only for simple minded fools and abusive authority figures is mutually exclusive for Orel’s good ending keeping him a religious man. If the show was simply condemning Christianity as bad, why not simply make Orel an atheist in the end?
      Orel is not moral in spite of his faith. He is moral in spite of the town. That sounds like a nitpick, but I see it as an important distinction. Many times, Orel gets close to the lessons God teaches, but the town tries tearing it away from him. For instance, Orel meets God and the town rejects his vision because it goes against how they thought God would look like.
      Stephanie is a great character and her being an atheist and one of the few truly moral characters. However, she is not moral because she is an atheist. She is moral because she is a good person who doesn’t judge others. Arthur is a man without faith and he was abusive and neglectful of Clay. Yes, he didn’t abuse Clay because of atheism, but Clay didn’t abuse Orel because of Christianity. Arthur’s abuse stems from Clay taking his wife from him (both in terms having all of her attention and her actual death) and Clay’s abuse stems from his warped sense of expressing love and his alcoholism.
      You said I included the “no true Scotsman” fallacy, but I never said they weren’t people who believed in christ. I said they were hypocrites using the faith to further their own ends. I mean, Clay is a violent alcoholic, who engages in extra marital, homosexual affairs, speaks badly of Christ himself and judges everyone else but refuses to atone for any of his sins. The only aspect of faith Clay really maintains is that God is real and only barely. If I call myself a patriot while acting against everything my country stands for, am I really a patriot?

    • @zerohz
      @zerohz 4 месяца назад

      like Orel’s dog is literally Jesus reincarnated but the town executes him for selfish reasons, which pretty easily solidifies the show stands on religion

  • @foxfelitte8460
    @foxfelitte8460 Год назад +187

    i got back into the show a few years ago and was really concerned about it blowing up because the show could be taken the wrong way, but thankfully its been taken just an dan wanted it. you did a great job on the last video and this one is even better!

    • @Meromorphic
      @Meromorphic  Год назад +15

      Aw thanks Fox! Much appreciated!

  • @toganium4175
    @toganium4175 Год назад +68

    Orel's grandfather became such a Chad after being instrumental in Clay's downfall. I really don't like how we never got those last seasons because he was going to have a major role in them.

  • @alexandriahunt6058
    @alexandriahunt6058 Год назад +47

    Personal headcanon ☝
    Coach Stopframe got Bloberta pregnant, hoping that Clay would realize she cheated, and divorce her. Then, the coach could cozy up to Clay and be his partner.

    • @lightbulbholder4508
      @lightbulbholder4508 Год назад +13

      Considering that Coach Stopframe only had an affair with Bloberta so he can get closer to Clay, this headcanon isn’t that bad

    • @biancarossa9728
      @biancarossa9728 Год назад +5

      Well, that's not just headcanon, Stopframe literally told that to Bloberta in "Numb", the second episode of the third season of "Moral Orel"

    • @alexandriahunt6058
      @alexandriahunt6058 Год назад

      @@biancarossa9728 OH~ It's been a while since I've watched the show.

  • @Jokobub
    @Jokobub Год назад +25

    As a person who loves nothing more than to watch hours-long analyses of media I’ve never engaged with, summarizing every episode in your videos is so 👌🏻👌🏻

  • @confu5ed_
    @confu5ed_ Год назад +32

    I really love how everytime Meromorphic says Dino’s name, he pronounces his last name differently

  • @luluc5408
    @luluc5408 Год назад +15

    WE COULD OF HAD GOTH OREL 😭😭

    • @naan000
      @naan000 Год назад +2

      brb going on a 2hr rabbit hole on tumblr for goth orel fanart

  • @tsuutsumi
    @tsuutsumi Год назад +100

    I'll just say - I came for the unpacking of Moral Orel, I stayed for your calming voice, way with words and the amazing aura of the video! The original video and the way you've narrated it gave me Stephanie energy haha

    • @Meromorphic
      @Meromorphic  Год назад +8

      Aw thank you so much. That genuinely means a lot. Funny story, I planned on starting my YT channel about 1.5 years before I actually did. Made the audio for a vid about the wheel of time, but I COULD NOT STAND the sound of my own voice so I scrapped it and moved on. So it's great to read comments like these. Makes me realize I may have been a bit too rough on myself 😅

  • @emilymitchell2751
    @emilymitchell2751 Год назад +15

    i suspect clay would have been screwed up even if his father was nice to him. Clay was 'mommy's most special-est miracle baby' and had 8 years of being gorged on attention. In the visuals you can see that clay is happy when his dad hits him, and was hurt emotionally when his dad decided he "wasn't worth it".
    In Clays mind attention is love. when people stop paying attention to him, or god forbid he has to shell out attention on someone else, he views it as people no longer loving him.
    In clays damaged psyche Arthur having a normal father/son relationship would have been "neglect".
    or at least, thats my theory.

    • @Maryam-forbia
      @Maryam-forbia 2 месяца назад +1

      I thought no one else noticed how Clay isn't even close to being like Orel,he is waay too spoiled and self-centered from the very begaining

  • @sato9035
    @sato9035 Год назад +9

    OREL DOES THE FAMILY GUY DEATH POSE 3:36

  • @CanonessEllinor
    @CanonessEllinor Год назад +16

    The voice acting recording technique is very interesting. Basically, it looks like the Moral Orel team invented something very similar to how voice recording is done in the anime industry. In Japan, voice actors pretty much always record in a group, with everyone involved in an episode in the same room (though it usually happens standing up). It’s typically understood to add life and interplay to the voices, which helps counteract the stiffness of the limited animation anime has to work with most of the time. It’s interesting but quite reasonable that a similar technique was used in a show where little puppet people were turned into deep, believable characters.

  • @bluetea8181
    @bluetea8181 Год назад +59

    This show is amazing.
    I was In a very Christian school when I was younger
    And my parents were diverced since I was born.
    This show changed my life and without it, I wouldn't have survived. Im glad This show is getting more attention

  • @ColinG943
    @ColinG943 Год назад +20

    I remember this special having Orel’s actress slip into her Sandy Cheeks voice, and it made me laugh.

  • @mrfunnyman2284
    @mrfunnyman2284 Год назад +43

    This show as a whole was something truly truly special to me. I experienced abuse within my house, thankfully my mother was and has always been a support but not always perfect she still loved me. My mimi was also a huge escape from my house as well. I wish I got to see moral orel the way it was intended. I wanted to see Orel get that escape, like I did. I related a lot to Orel, to the women of Moralton, and even questioning my own beliefs. I grew up in a catholic household, a very strict one where it was even skewed to their favor. Fast forward, I met my boyfriend and he helped me escape my toxic household. 15 years of my life my dad was an alcoholic, and he was very much like Clay except not gay and very racist. I related to Orel so much when he was finding reasons to honor his father because I still do the same thing. Even when my father became sober, he still acted like that drunk but more tame and less physically violent. I tried to reconnect with my father and it never really worked out. Becuase you can't change people who don't want to change. As much as they tell you what happened to them as kids to explain away why they're the way they are. As much as they beg you to write what they should chage themselves. They never do. I'm so happy in my life I live now, I'm finally able to be free now. In short, this show is important to me, and I wish it never got the plug pulled so soon. I definitely would've cried harder at the end. The ending to me at least felt bittersweet. I was happy that Orel escaped his toxic household like I did, but I wanted to see the process so much. To know that I'm not alone with my trauma, that many others like me relate to this show. And it's beautiful to me. I love seeing everyone's commentary or comments about this show. I watched this show becuase of your first video, and I wanted to thank you for it. I needed to see something like this. I'm sorry about the essay but this show means so so much to me. Thank you again for making your 1st video. Keep it up.

  • @rainingtacos3135
    @rainingtacos3135 Год назад +18

    I love how you said some people think this is atheist propaganda when the very end of moral Orel ends in a happy religious family and it’s a wholesome ending not a continuance of the abuse

  • @literaryvendetta
    @literaryvendetta Год назад +12

    I appreciate you recapping the episodes, I'm one of those freaks that watches video essays on media I have not consumed, so this works for me

  • @greyrgoose
    @greyrgoose Год назад +75

    I have to wonder if that fourth season would also expand upon if Grandpa Arthur actually has regrets about how he treated Clay. We don't get that in Beforel, but them living under the same roof would probably have given the right chance to see that. He treats Orel so differently compared to his own son, and I wonder if the estrangement between Clay and Arthur was a part of that.

    • @bluetea8181
      @bluetea8181 Год назад +14

      I really wanted to see Arthur apologizing to Clay. Season 4 wouldve been awesome :(

    • @Kris-wo4pj
      @Kris-wo4pj Год назад +2

      @@bluetea8181 idk Clay did kill his mom cuz she wasnt giving him her completely attention.

    • @bluetea8181
      @bluetea8181 Год назад +5

      @@Kris-wo4pj yeah but it would be nice to show how arthur IS better than clay, cause he changed, while clay stayed the way he was when he was younger

    • @christinamansen8636
      @christinamansen8636 11 месяцев назад +2

      One thing that I think is of note is that in the flashback Arthur seems to be trying his best to make Clay into a more independent person, but also seems to be jealous of the attention Clay gets from his mother. We can see that he is doing his best and there are many of the makings of a good father but is constantly undermined by his understandably traumatized wife. Then when Clay's neediness takes his wife away from Arthur forever, he can't forgive Clay, and that is where the abuse and neglect begins.

    • @kenthuang436
      @kenthuang436 8 месяцев назад +1

      I have a head canon that after Arthur dies and Orel becomes Goth, Clay is drinking even more than usual in celebration of his father’s death and that Orel eventually talks to Stephanie about his loss and grief and she tells him some good advice which is sometimes people do things that are wrong but later change in life and that not believing in God doesn’t make a person “bad” and that they deserve to burn in hell for it. What truly matters is how much that person touched the lives of others through their action. Stephanie then tells Orel that being a goth kid isn’t who he really is and it’s just a phase caused by his grief and that people love him for who he is and not how he dresses. So Orel then goes home to find an angry and annoyed Bloberta scolding Clay for his behavior and Clay sees Orel and says something nasty about Arthur which sets Orel off. Orel then angrily yells at Clay who is now stunned in silence about how he is an awful person for forcing his own dying farther to share a tiny bed with a twelve year old boy instead of getting another bed and that he (Clay) acts like he’s such a victim over the way Arthur had treated him after his mother had died but it was really his [Clay’s] behavior that created the rift between them to grow even bigger. Orel then tells Clay that if he [Clay] was dying, he wouldn’t force him to share a bed with his own son and would have given him his own bed to rest in during his final days because he [Orel] knows that his father deserves to be comfortable in such a time because he’s his father and doesn’t deserve to suffer no matter how badly he has been to him [Orel] and everyone else in his lifetime. This rant would make Clay burst into tears because it’s the truth and would demonstrate that even with his flaws, Orel still has some love for Clay and enough respect to not make him suffer when he needs him the most and Clay secretly acknowledges that he messed up big time with his own father and now there is no way to correct his mistakes or say that he was sorry. Clay of course would still be a drunk jerk but he’d at least try to be a better father to the boys and occasionally acknowledge when he messes up.

  • @amegalodonwithinternetacce5863
    @amegalodonwithinternetacce5863 Год назад +19

    Moral orel is 100 percent coming back and im excited for when it does

    • @user-ky9qh5ld5q
      @user-ky9qh5ld5q Год назад

      how come you think so?? i really hope it does

    • @amegalodonwithinternetacce5863
      @amegalodonwithinternetacce5863 Год назад +3

      @@user-ky9qh5ld5q Hulu and Netflix constantly rebooting old shows and bringing them back especially with moral orels sudden jump in popularity it’s bound to happen

    • @theblobconsumes4859
      @theblobconsumes4859 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@amegalodonwithinternetacce5863 I certainly would hope so. Moral Orel is still one of my favorite pieces of media for its honesty and empathy.

  • @grimace9670
    @grimace9670 Год назад +10

    It’s pretty strange how I got into the show coincidentally right as everyone else did and it wasn’t bc of tiktok or anything I just decided to finally watch it

  • @claudiag.9307
    @claudiag.9307 11 месяцев назад +8

    I actually like how much you recap, it's like experiencing the show when you haven't watched it (and really, that's what deep dive videos are for)

  • @InsanePhoneGuy
    @InsanePhoneGuy Год назад +27

    I always wanted to watch Moral Orel but never got around to it. But a few days ago I actually watched Moral Orel (All the episodes) in 3 days. It was pretty deppresing yet funny!

    • @evdavidson4051
      @evdavidson4051 9 месяцев назад +1

      . . . Dang-
      You really committed. 😂
      I'm not any different-

    • @InsanePhoneGuy
      @InsanePhoneGuy 9 месяцев назад

      @@evdavidson4051 Yeah 😂 I might rewatch it soon!

  • @sarat6488
    @sarat6488 Год назад +37

    i love the timing of this. for the past few months a lot of other reviews and retrospectives about this show have begun popping up from various other youtubers.

  • @quovrep1552
    @quovrep1552 Год назад +14

    I mean your hereditary unpacking was also great. You have an excellent eye for media analysis and critque

  • @figaeroth
    @figaeroth Год назад +32

    i think you recapping the story is good for us viewers who have never seen moral orel before your videos. like, maybe not ideal for someone whose watched it beforehand- but i don't care! i'm having fun! that's the point, we aren't in a goddamn classroom

    • @alchemistofsteel8099
      @alchemistofsteel8099 Год назад +3

      Are you going to watch it?

    • @theblobconsumes4859
      @theblobconsumes4859 11 месяцев назад +2

      If you can handle its subject matter, then I'd say watching it is still worth doing, even if you know what happens in it.

  • @Meromorphic
    @Meromorphic  Год назад +95

    My patreon is a very hot and
    H O M O E R O T I C place too: www.patreon.com/meromorphic

    • @EmmyLayton
      @EmmyLayton Год назад +10

      I would just like to say “hot Christian domme mommy” is now a phrase that will never leave my vocabulary

    • @ppaul6099
      @ppaul6099 Год назад +7

      please dont throw nickels at me but i honestly thought they got the blood from the women that orel impregnated am i just dumb for thinking this

  • @silverhammerman7489
    @silverhammerman7489 Год назад +20

    This special was so damn sad. I really wanted orel to be able to stay with grandpa

  • @shaglidda
    @shaglidda Год назад +12

    everything about this show is perfect…i love how each action of every character shows more and more of a story. It’s truly a shame that we can’t get more of these characters… i’d love to see grandpa in orels life with his new family

  • @frogforadoption4686
    @frogforadoption4686 Год назад +14

    i feel like i’m stalking you channel with how early i am, literally your so underrated

  • @greenflame3004
    @greenflame3004 Год назад +17

    I really loved this show I remember watching all seasons when they were coming out and I really wanted more so now that it is getting the recognition it finally deserves I hope the creator can bring it back because this show was really special to me

  • @ininja32
    @ininja32 Год назад +19

    I hope this revivals the series, it's a good show.

  • @certifiedquackhead89
    @certifiedquackhead89 Год назад +5

    6:50 that's orel's voice actor Carolyn Lawrence idk why she's blurred it might be due to privacy reasons as she does the voice of sandy on spongebob but idk it's just speculation

    • @Meromorphic
      @Meromorphic  Год назад

      Great catch. But that just raises more questions. Lol

  • @EliasIncorporated
    @EliasIncorporated Год назад +9

    After watching your first video on Moral Orel, I watched a few more videos on it, and then binged the show myself over 2 times and I have to say, I’m glad I was introduced to it.

  • @angelheart489
    @angelheart489 Год назад +7

    I put most of the blame for Clay on his mother. She was a pious, enabling, overbearing women that completely neglected Arthur as soon as Clay was born . Since he was her only child, and after a long stream of miscarriages, she spoiled him into an entitled brat. Clay faked his death after he found out that he was not the only child his mother attempted to have and that resulted in his mom dying of a heart attack.

  • @JavaScrapper
    @JavaScrapper Год назад +9

    *”Dommy Mommy”*
    💀 💀 💀

  • @cassidy5457
    @cassidy5457 Год назад +10

    I stumbled upon your original video and was so intrigued by it that I watched the show alongside it. it was a cool way to watch the show. thanks for your work!

  • @lilikore
    @lilikore Год назад +12

    each time i watch anything moral orel related i almost cry because of the fact it was cancelled🙁

  • @morpbutter
    @morpbutter Год назад +9

    Glad to see you appreciate all the support from the previous video but don't let it cause you stress to make sure your future videos have to live up to your previous ones because what ever you'll make there will always be a audience

  • @EmmyLayton
    @EmmyLayton Год назад +8

    That video has made me so happy and I’m glad to see there’s more!

  • @hindsunup6777
    @hindsunup6777 Месяц назад +1

    14:33 DUDE THAT CRACKED ME UP SO BAD 💀 I usually never comment on videos but your content is absolutely wonderful!

  • @Kel_Surprise
    @Kel_Surprise Год назад +9

    I had never heard of the show before your video started playing when I had RUclips on in the background. Subscribed and now a fan of the show. Thank you!

  • @sandata
    @sandata Год назад +3

    i watch your original moral orel video every day when i have to go to work. something about the combination of mountain goats and the show itself is really scratching an itch in my brain. thanks for your hard work

  • @RobertJones-gq3jq
    @RobertJones-gq3jq Год назад +1

    I enjoy your commentary alot. Your passion comes through.

  • @TheZanzibarMan
    @TheZanzibarMan 11 месяцев назад

    I watched your first video covering Orel again yesterday, it was great again. Thanks for taking the time to cover this series the way you do.

  • @naan000
    @naan000 Год назад

    Please never stop making videos!! They're the best thing to watch on a sleepy afternoon

  • @WolfDarkrose
    @WolfDarkrose 8 месяцев назад +4

    as i rewatched moral orel again now 30... i relized something massively and the crackes turned into things sharding. i am literally shapey. like i dont wanna get into my birth and life or my mental health but i literally lived that hell without any of the hyjinks tho more forced in a room locked away as a mistake since i wasnt normal enough... 30 years old and still so fucked up and afraid to leave and fearing what may or will happen to the few things i have left in my life and the things ive had since i could remember....... god so much for half my life. the best years. forced in a closet and ill never know thos.

  • @boywonder_YT
    @boywonder_YT 2 месяца назад

    I loooooved your first vid and this was great too. Keep it up dude

  • @charlotteduncan3680
    @charlotteduncan3680 Год назад +3

    I got curious about Moral Orel because of videos like yours (and including yours) that kept getting recommended to me. Finally I watched the videos which inspired me to watch the show for the first time! So thank you for bringing the show to me!!

  • @jbeverly8229
    @jbeverly8229 Год назад

    I’m glad to see this sequel, I loved your original video (:

  • @dsareis9134
    @dsareis9134 Год назад +1

    I loved the previous video
    Looking forward to this one

  • @gilsthyname256
    @gilsthyname256 Год назад +8

    Give it a year. People are starting to understand more and more. The thing I always like to say now is life is like “a bugs life”. Ever since the internet became a thing I’ve just been seeing the movie unfold SLOW but truly show how it’s the exact same. “Let one stand up they all stand up” post one thing get everyone posting about said thing. Knowing something is simply the most powerful thing not a person can have but the community.

  • @stingspring3168
    @stingspring3168 Год назад +15

    These two videos were amazing and introduced me to an amazing series. I hope your channel continues to grow. Its kinda insane being introduced to your channel because of your reading of the dark future lore book with it only having a few hundred views and now you've gotten a video with a million. Keep up the great work!

    • @Meromorphic
      @Meromorphic  Год назад +4

      Thanks so much, friend! I really appreciate it

  • @sno_man8284
    @sno_man8284 5 месяцев назад +2

    it really sucks that moral orel got cancelled, but the fact hat they gave them one more episode to shoot is just amazing of them.
    ..still wish they had the whole show back, but i can't do anything about it..

  • @Hamantha
    @Hamantha Год назад

    I like your recap analysis honestly. It’s an engaging for now

  • @thescrawnykids5360
    @thescrawnykids5360 Год назад +1

    Lol your last video on the show, I watched like 10 minutes of it and then stopped, (to avoid spoilers) then binged the ENTIRE series Moral Orel (watching for first time) then just continued the video analysis video you had made and watched all of it. You got me into the show, thank you lol

  • @user-cd4bx6uq1y
    @user-cd4bx6uq1y 5 месяцев назад +2

    Half a year later I'm back for more

  • @sadmanthemennace1692
    @sadmanthemennace1692 Год назад +2

    Listen I know this one hasn't hit yet nut lemme tell u. I love your videos explaining and going into shows and games. If u want keep up the good work!

  • @mudkiper22802
    @mudkiper22802 Год назад +1

    i just watched the other video yesterday crazy this one comes out today

  • @xXluluchanelXx
    @xXluluchanelXx Год назад +8

    I binged this show while I had COVID. I can't tell you why, but it made me feel better? idk, that kind of just... utter familiarity with misery really made it hit different

  • @ghostlyjudge
    @ghostlyjudge Год назад

    I love both videos killing it yo

  • @cruisingscenesandtakingbea4197
    @cruisingscenesandtakingbea4197 Год назад +3

    I thought you lost the original video and this was a reupload. Glad to see it’s not gone.

  • @frankysumsion6683
    @frankysumsion6683 Год назад

    Wow this is the most entertaining thing I have watched you have a perfect way of describing things and the way you just make your videos the editing is great, and the way u talk dude most soothing voice have ever heard (besides markipliers) anyways keep making vids like this they are amazing

  • @oxan7594
    @oxan7594 Месяц назад +1

    I think Grandpa regretted treating Clay how he did when he was younger, seeing what he turned into. So he tries his best to help Orel along

  • @hyjinx1889
    @hyjinx1889 Год назад +3

    wow, i loved your first video, and it introduced me to the show!

  • @Esflow
    @Esflow Год назад +2

    I like that Orel has his brothers photos on the wall. And that they are doing good for them self

  • @mr.funnyman9765
    @mr.funnyman9765 6 месяцев назад +2

    It's a breath of fresh air to hear someone not censoring swears for RUclips

  • @chocobuu1552
    @chocobuu1552 Год назад +6

    This guy is the best

  • @oskerbenz8655
    @oskerbenz8655 2 месяца назад

    I love the names in this show dude.

  • @GanguPoss
    @GanguPoss 4 месяца назад +1

    im just so happy that orel got to grow up and have a happy healthy family, thats all i care about

  • @tophtopherson8920
    @tophtopherson8920 Год назад +1

    Luv your videos

  • @adam_stanheight
    @adam_stanheight 5 месяцев назад

    as someone who hadn't seen much of moral orel aside from bits and pieces as a kid, i appreciated you recapping the episodes. it may have spoilered things, but it made me want to experience the show for myself. i'm not sure what people expect -- you naturally have to tell us what the episodes were about in order to give us your analysis. i really enjoyed your first video and i enjoyed this one too!

  • @Magochilly
    @Magochilly Год назад +23

    Of course this comes out right when I start my fixation on this show

    • @Magochilly
      @Magochilly Год назад +1

      0:41 ohhhh that makes sense 💀

  • @kareem7024
    @kareem7024 Год назад +5

    just found this show and oh my god its so good

  • @bingonight1504
    @bingonight1504 Месяц назад +2

    I dont know where the clip of the woman in lolita fashion going "how dare you"" comes from but i love her and i love you for using that

    • @Meromorphic
      @Meromorphic  Месяц назад +1

      That is the wonderful Contrapoints as a catgirl lol. From this very site. I highly recommend her! Also, thank you so much!