Rob Brown Hey brother, first off congratulations! Super psyched to hear that you’re challenging yourself with this. I know it will have huge payoff for you. Second, find out if you can sit in for rehearsal with a local college jazz band. They will likely have charts, and when you force your self to have to read in the moment, the trial by fire definitely raises your abilities more quickly. Thank you for being so genuine and open about your musical growth. That is how you inspire me most.
RB, how do you notate lyric sheets for gigs? I don’t have a method, so I usually skip it (or just make some marks that I might not recognize later) and muddle through, but I want to have a better plan when I’m gigging new songs. Help!
To me, it is a tool, just like every thing you learn. It is usefull to understand better what you want to play. I used writing a few times to be able to actually see what I wanted to play and those grooves went from complicated to easy. I think that reading should be like the double stroke, a thing, a technique, that help you do things easyer. Never gloryfy it, but definetly worth try to learn
Hey. Rob Brown. Great channel. Stevie Wonder can read braille music, as can (could, RIP) Ray Charles. Talking Book is a braille music reading device I believe, that Stevie gave to Ray as a gift. Stevie's got a music degree, (one real one, probably a thousand honorary ones) I think from Pasadena.
Reading is great because you can break down music in a clear, simple visual way down to the 32nd note or 64th note. It becomes less of an arbitrary thing. Reading won't necessarily make you a better musician just like being able to read language won't necessarily make you a great writer. But it will bring you a clear understanding of what you're playing as a reinforcement if you're a great musician.
I think being a complete musician involves 4 factors. 1. Being great at your instrument 2. Theory/reading 3. Having a solid ear through ear training. 4. Being able to effectively communicate and work well with other musicians.
Yo Rob, enjoy your vids. I am a full time drum teacher and owner of In The Sticks Drum School here in RI. You are correct , reading is not a necessity at all. However I do tell my students basic simple reading is required or I wouldn’t be able to give them much practice material and it makes them absorb better. You’ll be just fine at it but I will say this, once your change reading from 4/4 to odd time like say 7, the note values change count wise. This can be confusing but I think you’ll do great. Any questions I’m here bro. Aly
I can read music. I just choose not to unless i have to. It helps being able to read because it can help you play songs you don't know right away, but reading while playing imo takes away something from your performance and if it's a first time playing a song live just straight off the score you will not be able to put any form of feel in the song unless it's extremely repetitive. That's my opinion, i hope you all have your own :)
I’ve always thought the same. I don’t wanna pay for a show ticket just to watch 6 people stare at music stands all night. As for the musician side, I’d much rather be in the moment. My lack of reading in some ways been a plus because it has forced me to develop a freakishly good memory and ability to retain and recall lots of information.
I would say instead of debating the whole ear playing vs reading why not be good at both? To me they're meant to be a package deal. You are ultimately better off being solid at both as opposed to picking one over the other. But I will say, as a teacher of 20 years, every student of mine that refused to read struggled more than the ones that did for a variety of reasons. I never saw any benefit to simply not learning to read while I see tons of benefits to being able to do so. It's never a negative. It will always enhanced your playing and understanding of music. Knowing how to read is like knowing your ABC's. That's how I look at it. So why not do it if you have an opportunity to. You can ultimately reach your goals however you want. But to me, both are better than choosing one over the other. Just my 2 cents.
The first thing I do when looking at a chart is to check for style markings, tempo, and form. If I have to sight read a piece with little or no prep time, then honing in on these three things will usually help me get through it decently. If I have some time to prepare for playing a chart, I will make highlighter markings on the different rehearsal letters or numbers, as well as repeats or D.S./coda markings, to help me navigate the piece more efficiently (but be sure not to use anything other than pencil on original copies of a chart that isn’t yours, or you may be paying for it 🤦♂️). Sometimes it is helpful to ask for a melody or bass part to help determine accents. Some drum charts may not notate them, but even when they do, it’s good to understand them in context. If I make sure to play the right kicks in the piece along with the band, we will sound much more polished and professional. Hope all of this is helpful.
"Sight Read Drums" on RUclips is the best! Finally after 42 years of playing drums I can legit get through a chart. Easy learning! You get to see the form of the tune And I can even read ahead for fills now. Always been self taught with a good ear. A street player. It's very liberating, and you begin to see how music is a language. I'm doing it just to get literate, and so I can teach more easily. Always had difficulty memorizing the figures. Give it a try!
Excellent debate.It can only help to read.It gives you a broader palette as a musician.While it won't make you play better,Your understanding and musical awareness will make you more employable.
I've been reading sheet music for a few years now. I absolutely reccomend it to everyone. Not super in depth 12/8 insanity, but the basics. Know your triplets, dotted 8s, dotted 16s, syncopations, and for guitarist/piano etc, don't worry so much about the modes, and such. Just know what and how your triads, major chords, elementary scales etc are made. If you're playing a 6/8 swing or dotted 8s and your bassist is counting it like its 8th notes in a 3/4, the articulated beats aren't gonna cut, someone gonna be fucking up on the down beat, and its gonna sound bad more often than not.
Completely agree!!!! Let me make an analogy with a natural thing we all do. Playing a musical instrument is like speaking, where you make controlled, meaningful sounds. You don't need to know how to read a text to be able to speak. But once you speak you get benefits from knowing how to read a text. Reading a text is like reading music. I think that there is the same relation on learning to play a musical instrument (speaking) and learning to read music (read a text). (JR from PORTUGAL)
This video I think is a reassurance to those who are feeling obligated to have to read via peer pressure or bullying in the music industry. Learning basic drum notation, note values etc is useful for learning written beats, fills and exercises.
Some tips that really helped me. 1.Read ahead 2 when you sit down with a piece before you start playing memorize the first couple of bars but then re read them as you're playing and it will help to lessen the nerves and you'll find that you seamlessly start to transition in to that 3rd measure. 3. Take 15 minutes of every practice session and devote it to sight reading. 4. Transcribe!! this is a big one because it makes you listen to music visually as well as auditorily. 5. Don't spend too much time on it at first. 15-20 minutes a day is enough. If you're getting burnt out on it in a practice session chances are you should have stopped a while before you did. 6. work on it outside of the practice room. Again with this a little goes a long way. Carry a notebook and write rhythms and rests out that you come up with. It's work but it really is worth it.
Hi Rob, I’d say this is the “ Age old question “ for us drummers. I decided to go the reading route when I knew that playing drums were my passion. * in a nutshell, it’s a means to and end. It gets you where you want to be, in my opinion much faster. It gives you the asset of knowing exactly what it is you’re playing. It’s kind of like walking into a large store and not knowing where the item is that you’re looking for. You know you’re going to find it - eventually. However, if you ask the clerk, where the item is, she would direct you to it, probably much faster than walking around looking for it. For me, I am really glad I took that route. > I do have some advice about reading : after familiarizing yourself with common times like 4/4 and such. Don’t wait too long in jumping straight into 5/4, 7/8, 9/8, 13/16 and other odd times... ONE MORE HELPFUL HINTFOR YOU : ( I hope ) all of those above mentioned odd times CAN be thought of in 4/4... it’s a simple... 4/4 = 8/8 = ( 7/8 - which has 1 less eighth note ) Counting in 4 : you stop at the 4 ( with no and ) ie, 1+2+3+4 1+2+ and so on... 9/8 = you add another 1/8th note.. 13/16 - count it in 4 counting 1e+a2e+a 3e+a4... anyhow man, I hope this helps
Hey Rob! Big fan, and a pretty confident reader. My approach to reading is the same I take if I'm reading some text out loud. Start to look at it in a big picture way. Look for phrases you recognize, repeating patterns. So instead of reading every letter of every word, you're looking for recognizable words. This really helps keeping ahead of what you're playing, and also, if the music isn't already divided this way, try to notate the phrases (4 bars, 6 bars, whatever they may be). This lets you see your phrase as one entity, and if it's a fairly repetitive pattern, you can just remember to play the phrase once, twice, etc, and focus on the big changes that happen within, instead of worrying about keeping up with every note
i learned to read and write drum parts myself. its very essential most especially playing on a gig 4-5 hours straight with different kinds of genre makes you forget certain parts and you will mess with horns. It takes me 30 minutes to write down certain piece and I can land it down perfectly without sitting on my drums that's how important reading and writing is. don't waste your time banging whole day for just one music your working for cover. Banging is for fun but if you mean business its another dimension. thanks for sharing Rob! PNP PRO6 Band Drummer
I taught myself just by learning songs that I listened to, but I am also in my school band (and drumline) so I of course know how to read. I can surely say for drumset, that reading is NOT a necessity. It all depends on where you want to go. If you want to play in a jazz band, you need to be able to read. In any form of music without the use of a composer/conductor/director, where you make your own music, you don't need to read music.
The bottom line answer seems to be pretty simple. Reading HELPS, emphasis on the "HELPS". Not a necessity. I can read although not overly well and currently improving, it is definitely helpful. Great video, keep up the awesome work.
We charted out everything in Nashville either reading or reading Nashville numbers. If you want to do most session work you will need to read. Putting off reading is limiting where you can go and the opportunities that will be open to you. Not being able to read doesn't take away from the ability to accurately hit notes, but it definitely adds to who will hire you, the speed at which you can play new pieces, and your ability to create new pieces. I come from a world where it's a 1 or 2 take wrap, and we don't have time to fix mistakes; get it right the first time. For drummers the ability to count takes priority, but to also knowing where the changes are in the environment that they're playing. Reading fixes all of that. It's good to count to try to stay on time, but it's essential to count as a place keeper for the changes. When Buddy Rich got new charts he hired someone else to play them because he couldn't read them. Of the guys names you mentioned they still had to know scale theory to know why musical notes, intervals, chords, and scales fit together at least enough to play on key. Not being able to read won't stop you from becoming a rock star, but it will limit the amount of work you can get. Edit: I will also say that Buddy Rich was ashamed at his lack of education within music and outside. I would encourage you to be the best you can be.
My take on reading. If you really want to be a player learn at least the basics of reading. Hell, I can sit on RUclips and watch a 15-minute video to learn one lick, or I can go down to my basement and right off the bat start learning from the best, Gadd, Garibaldi, Philly Joe Jones, Guiliana, and on and on. If there's something I want to learn, I can transcribe it because I took the time learn the basics of reading. I'm no great sight-reader, but if I were I could pick up more work than I'm getting now. So, yeah. Learn to read. It's fundamental. BTW, Kudos to Rob Brown for a great youtube channel
I'm a self taught player, and part of my education was musical theory; which requires reading. I will not down anyone who doesn't read, but I will say it's not wise to limit your understanding of music because it takes a little effort to learn. I did eventually take my instrument to university where I further learned the art and science of theory, but as far as my instrument goes I am completely self taught.
I think having the skill is helpful. It makes you more versatile at the end of the day. From making your own charts to being able to learn concepts from a book. Also, just like writing anything else down, it helps when you don't have to memorize everything. Now I can't sight read very well, but I can take and sit down and digest it slowly. Rob this is just mode motivation to get better at it.
Rob, I have been watching your vids for a year or so, and really enjoy your playing, approach, and straight up teaching style. So, thanks! I'm 61, still in 3 bands, son of a full time pro (RIP dad) who played some major Broadway shows among everything else in a 50+ year career. I love the drums---but I also play guitar, and dabble in keys, bass, etc. Anyway as far as reading I would say this: First of all, you are correct it isn't a requirement to play well, but also---it isn't that hard to learn and folks shouldn't feel intimidated about learning if they so desire. Just get a book or take some lessons, and devote a part of your practice time to it. You don't have to be some kind of genius to do it, and don't let anyone look down on you if you can't. As you said, most of the time you will not be asked to read anyway. Two more quick points: I have noticed that there are a number of very good players who have a hard time memorizing tunes (Jazz standards etc) and that's because they are so used to having a chart in front of them. I do not want to play in public staring at a chart, it don't look good. We are performers after all. Also, I don't know how important traditional reading will be in the future because of incredible advances in quick recording and other technologies. I first heard that idea from none other than Tommy Igoe, and I think he is correct. So anyway, thanks again, I appreciate what you do.
After 40 years, I've buckled down and started to teach myself to read. It's amazing (as you said) how easy it can be once you apply yourself. I've been transcribing charts for tunes when I audition and it's amazing how much it can assist you just that little bit and give you the edge. Because of that, I got the gig that I wanted.
I think this is all well said. Good for you that you're undertaking the task of learning to read music better. As far as tips on sight reading I have a few. First, look something over BEFORE you play it with a pencil. If you're able to listen to a recording or look at a score while you're doing so even better! Write in A FEW notes with your pencil that you think might be helpful when reading it, ie counting, cues from other parts, spots that need closer attention, ect. But also make sure you're still able to see the forest through the trees when you do this. Second, PRACTICE. Like anything else in music, I've found that the longer that I've been doing sight reading, the better I've gotten at it. You can practice by putting sheets of music in front of you that you haven't played or that you haven't played in a while. However, another great way to do this is by listening to a recording of something while you follow along with the sheet music at the same time. Finally, I've also found that writing music and transcriptions in sheet music form is helpful for sight reading. Good luck.
I've definitely been in the habit of writing a lot of stuff out now, just so I can see it. And part of my nightly ritual is following charts to either something I'm listening to or a tune Im already familiar with. I'm noticing a lot of common note groupings, much like common words in different paragraphs. Thanx for the tips, man
So, yeah, reading... I highly recommend it. I came up through the band program at my elementary, junior high, and high schools. Believe it or not, the greatest impact on my reading chops as a noob, came from reading snare drum music in marching band! That set the tone, and from there I was able to read charts in jazz band, hitting all the horn kicks and unison ensemble licks as well as the concert band literature. For set playing, the Tommy Igoe Groove Essential books are great. Play alongs with charts can’t be beat. But honestly, the best tip is to teach someone else to read... after graduating, I worked as a marching percussion instructor for thirty years. The best way to learn something is to teach it. Find someone that knows less than you do and teach them what you know. You’ll be amazed at what that does for your own abilities.
I learned to read in grammar school . I made my living playing (44 yrs touring ) owned two houses, married 43 years ,raised 2 kids .Retired in Florida playing weekends . Worst part of that is setting up my set . Never used my reading since I learned to .. BTW,, Love your stuff Rob !!
Great discussion. Thank you for that. I took lessons and started reading from day 1. So it was a long time before I even knew there were musicians out there who couldn't read music. I agree that reading isn't necessary, because you can't argue with all the incredible musicians that you mentioned. But one additional point I'd make in favor of reading is that there's a whole world of wonderful drum method books out there and being able to read complex drum music will open up a drummer to that resource.
I had to play more or less 50 cover songs in a recital with not much time to listen to it. What I did was I transcribed all of it and felt relaxed and ease during the recital. it's because I have all the songs written. So, for me it is very necessary to read music..
bieng able to read and write music has been a big part of my drumming , on dep gigs not alot of time to learn stuff so quickly write out some charts , easy , dont need to spend hours and hours learning a song , by the time i finish a chart i can pretty much play the song . just got the drum seat with The Wall Of Floyd , charted everything out , had 1 rehearsal and they were very pleased especially the intro to TIME on the roto toms which i sight read so its the same as on record . so for me yes reading is a massive part of my drumming and also teaching .
I’ve definitely been finding that being able to write out drum parts makes prep time easier before rehearsals. Practice time as well. If I come up with a dope lick by accident, I can just write it out now instead of whipping out the iPhone camera
I think every musician should be able to read music, I think no good drummer should stress about learning music. If a drummer can't read music they should at least learn the basics, it helps if you ever need to write anything you play down, or if there's a song you can't learn and you can only find the drum charts and can't read it then what are you going to do? it really is an important skill to have, it isn't a skill that you should practice. I learned to read sheets in middle school and there are no regrets here. I can sight read rhythms, have to write out notes if its tonal percussion. I would say the better question isn't "how important is learning to read music?" the better question is "why haven't you learned how to read music?" Not because you can't be good without knowing it, because you can be better if you do know it. I would probably be at a very similar level that im at right now. There's no reason not to learn music, but there's also no reason to feel bad about not knowing how to read music.
Great question. Best to know some basics IMHO. Tips: 1st review the "sheet music" w/o playing. Next, work out the rhythm sloowwly till it feels right noting what drum or cymbal gets played. While reading, never think back to the note(s) you missed (aka mistake) or you'll tense up mentally and physically, and possibly slow down the tempo. Play what is needed for the beat. Sighting too far ahead may cause you to also miss notes and speed up. *Lol, I agree with one of your viewers, you can get a kink in the neck by reading off a music stand placed either left or right. Final analysis, I would play from my knowing various grooves, but if it has to be played exactly as composed, that requires you to be great sight reader.
I always struggled with reading back in high school band. But what little I learned has been helpful over the years. For me the best argument for reading was watching the film Wrecking Crew. Which ties into some of the things you were saying about expanding ones employment opportunities. Good job Ron!
Rob,I agree with you. I'm 65 years old, been playing since I was a teen. No I never got to pro level due to circumstances. Have I gotten work as a drummer? Yes. I've never been called on to read a chart. Can I read and understand notation? Yes. Has it helped me study yes. But that's it. I never did drum Corp,college,nothing like that. So what? I'm now retired,play once a week at a jam session, and study and practice every day,can't always loved it,always will.
Personally I found that playing off a chart has greatly improved my concentration in general, I have also found that if you are familiar with your kit setup you are able to anticipate the chart more easily as well as follow along. Naturally in the beginning stages you will tend to play faster than you can read especially if you are playing with a track. All in all being able to read and play exactly what's on the chart is a great skill and will even improve the way you play when you are not reading a chart.
Props to you Rob for tackling the reading challenge! Here are some of my tips: For the modern drum kit - if there is a drum chart - normally (99% of the time), the chart only has minimal information and it is up to (and expected of) the drummer to interpret the chart and make the drum part sound good. In most cases, the drum chart is not written by a knowledgeable drum part writer. Good news - there usually isn't complex rhythms notated on the page. So a fundamental knowledge and basic note reading will get you by in most situations. For example - saw a Count Basic big band chart with only quarter notes on the snare and bass drums in almost every section. (Drummer plays the jazz swing ride cymbal rhythm in these sections.) If you can keep your place in a drum chart; this is the main skill. So this is an exercise for your eyes, and training your eyes to keep your place. Learning repeat signs and other "road signs" of the chart will serve you well. Knowing some music theory will help here also - 8 or 16-bar phrasing; when the chorus starts; etc. Most charts have rehearsal markings and/or double-bar markings that signify the start/end of sections such as verses and choruses. A good memory and good ears are just as important for chart reading. Your ears will confirm your place and help reinforce that you are in the right place. By the way, Buddy could read basics - he chose to memorize everything. Amazing. -Jim
I normally will learn by ear, but there are cases (especially with linear grooves) I just can't figure it out. I can't read to tempo, but I've worked through grooves I would have never figured out. Guys like Chambers may not be able to read charts, but they can read to a degree. It's a super rare talent to pick up, and execute totally by ear. Practicing with books to a click helps *me greatly. Your explanation is exactly what I mean
I learned the basics of how to read from my high school and private teachers but i have to say tabbing out my drum parts in Guitar Pro (thats a software) really made me fluent. Being able to have the software play the written part back to me was the best way to see if I had correctly written a part I had in my head. To those who want to read and write, I def recommend downloading Guitar Pro and just attempting to tab your drum parts. Great vid as usual Rob.
I think it really depends on your situation. I am a sophomore in high school, and I have never learned to read melodic notes on the page, but drum/percussion charts have come really easy for me, and I think that the way that the rhythms are shown on the page is actually really simple. But I also think that things like feel and groove can't really be put on the page. You have to develop those things on your own in order to become a better player, and I think that's the reason why this topic is so debated among drummers because the feel and groove of a song is so hard to describe. It's like trying to tell a blind man what colors are. In conclusion, if you really need it for playing situations, then it wouldn't be a bad idea to learn at least the drum charts. If you want to invest your musical talents into more than just the drumset than it wouldn't be a bad idea to learn some basic music theory.
I absolutely love your videos. I"m not a drummer , however, I am a Pianist/ Keyboard artist and I tried throughout all of my life to learn Music theory but if one considers what " theory " means it 's based on someone else's logic . I have my own logic and theory of how someone can learn the piano which I"m still in the procesa of developing. I have a 13 yr old I tested this theory on and he plays very well.
Thanks Rob for the info I'm a self taught drummer for over 20 years ..and I found issues with trying to learn a when watching a video and they start talking notation.bars ext.. You answered my question towards myself about learning basic reading!! Thanks keep up the good work you rock
Like any skill, akin to a tool in the toolkit, it can be crucial or hardly used at all, but if you have it then make it work for you. Some songs fall into place with a good listening to, you learn it that quick, others need to be analysed and expressed as intended; with swing, groove, con brio etc. As you said some jobs specify play as per the score or the conductor/musical director dictates. It’s a common language that other musicians are bound by so it can open those doors to not only learning, but nailing it. Reflecting on how RBB got your liking for some styles you had the time to play along to them and use that as a template, if time is a premium then a scoresheet can reduce your learning and, critically, knowing time.
I mean... why not. If you have time (even if you don't) there's nothing holding you back, reading is really REALLY easy (take this from a 13- wait no it was my birthday today 14-year-old drummer, known it since I was 7). The hard part is hearing the music in your head but just listen and read at the same time. It's a great way to practice, and you can do it pretty much anywhere (if you're in a queue to literally anything). Do I think I'm better because of that? Hell no. I can't play 32s at any tempo above 90. The difference and the sole reason I'm considered the best drummer out of my section in the orchestra is that of how solid and musical I am in every style of music we play. (I also happen to be the most experienced but that's not hard when you start at age 3 ._.). I can improvise for 90% of the situations, and I can make things sound good. Also literally everyone in the orchestra knows how to read every type of notation (be it drums, piano or trombone), personally, I also know tabs even if I dislike them. I am not a better musician because I can read, I'm a good musician because I'm musical. You know MUSICian and all of that. Same goes for you. My tip for reading is listening to what you're reading, you will start getting a feel for it. It's really helpful if you can try to notate a beat in your head, start off writing beats from your head and then move on to notating them by ear from songs. This can be frustrating but is honestly the equivalent of perfect pitch in rhythm form. This is my preferred method but some people will tell you it's bad, it's not. Some of the teachers (only the Russians as I've noticed. not being racist.) want you to interpret it yourself and see how close you are but this is literally just testing, not practicing. At the end just have fun, I play the harp (YUP..... that's a combo) as well so I need it more than other drummers but if you find it boring and frustrating just don't do it. Music is a way to express yourself and if you get annoyed you will be less musical (unless you're playing metal or really any kind of angry music). PS Love you Beatdown, been getting better every day from your channel
I was taught to be embarrassed to be illiterate. I have played small clubs to areas, small studios, big studios, etc., I have beed asked to read many times. There are gigs that you cannot get without being able to read well. Will learning to read music make you a better musician? Hell yes!
I really enjoy watching your videos as you inspired me to develop more. I started learning 30 years ago- was taught how to read as well. Got good, life then got in the way and getting back into it after big breaks in between. I currently have not put my sticks down for 6 months and seeing great results. You have inspired me along the way with small quotes “there’s no limit” etc. I always struggled with reading in professional situations and did some local pit work 25 yers ago and either struggled to read ahead or got lost when the orchestra was in full swing. Luckily I have a great memory for rhythm and listened to the albums of the musicals ahead of time so was able to fill in....but eventually I found it too stressful and stopped it. I would love to know how to get back into it and get more fluent at it x
For me it's about the basics only. Minimal knowledge increases the ability to better "see" and feel where the limbs are playing upbeats and downbeats when crossing multi-layered patterns and practicing advanced independence/interdependence. I don't think is necessary to be the greatest but be able to understand notation enough to at least be able to work through a pattern slowly and find the parts that give you trouble and figure out the subdivisions that need the work. If you're interested in the math of polyrhythms and getting into parts that start intertwining and hella alien.....reading helps a ton.
The basics can get you pretty far, man. Not to dumb it down any, of course, but a good majority of ‘average jobber’ hand written charts I’ve seen aren’t as intimidating as I used to imagine. Won’t happen overnight for me, but the hill ain’t as big as I thought.
Totally agree. I read all through college but haven't read much the last 10 yrs or so and getting back into it is humbling. Musicians that KNOW they are good players let that ego pain of not immediately "being good at everything", cripple them/us!! Keep plugging away. Go slow. Write out the counting below the notes. Its just like anything new on the kit. The speed and "naturalness" just comes with time and consistency.
Learned how to read when I took lessons, but I learned more taking class on music theory and playing the piano after the drums. That said, with drums, I'd rather figure it out heuristically if I can. Reading can help with stuff I can't get by ear.
Always love how informative and inspiring your content is, very much appreciated :) Personally, I think playing by ear is more beneficial for groove and in truly knowing a song, however I also think learning to read has been greatly beneficial for my technique. Reading definitely helped build my technique when it came to reading snare solos or exercises as the rudiments and accents would continue shifting and evolving. Both this and learning to sight-read, which worked on my reaction times, forced me to loosen up my hands more. I think learning to read is going to benefit most people in some shape or form, and then there are those, like you mentioned, who are just born musical geniuses.
Our jazz instructor in our college, who has played in many top notch sessions in Capitol Records for example, told us that studio work requires good reading skills. You may be provided with the charts and the MIDI track with click, and you have to lay it down on usually 1-3 takes. Cirque du Soleil is alive and well, I'm planning to audition after I graduate and get some experience.
He’s right. But the sessions he was doin at Capital Records aren’t nearly as available these days as they were when session work was poppin’. Reading, however, will definitely open you up to theatre and pit work which is a cool scene to get into if you can. And pays way better than your average session.
@@RobBeatdownBrown Pit work is exactly the kind of stuff I'm planning to do. After graduation Imma go do cruise ships for a while to get some real experience, and then audition for something bigger and better, like Cirque du Soleil or pit work on Broadway. Many shows have separate drums and perc, so I'm studying concert percussion on the side while in college. Thank you for these clinics bro! Very good no-nonsense kind of stuff! :)
I prefer reading also Rob because the first time I try to read note on my vicfirth poster only 2 days without no husle I learn the music got to believe by Sheryl lyn one of my favorite music. I try it not because I want to learn it's because my father a drummer on a band and my mother a singer told me that I should learn to read she said if i want to play on band with lot of request and you don't nkow how to play it theres the note to help you so I started to learn it also to advance until now.
Man, best channel, such great takes, great knowledge, humble and down to earth. Thanks for all the great stuff. I have minimal reading knowledge...I think it's because I figure it will take way too long to get good at it...but you have some good insight, little bit at a time and maybe it ain't that difficult...
It's good as long as it doesn't sound like your just reading the notes and no really drive to music. It's nice to be able to read a chart and not sound like you're reading.
Interesting video, In fact I started learning to read a few weeks ago, Not because I felt the need for it as a drummer, Just because of my personal interest because I want to start playing keys as well and be able to write my own stuff, or when I'm with my band and I have some Ideas ( And I do have a lot of great Ideas ) I should be able to tell them. So maybe as only a drummer you won't need it , But if you want to write music for the band you should know a bit of music theory
As with any art form, any tool added to your skill set can only help. Don't forget about big band and modern jazz gigs. Big band always comes with charts and most jazz gigs I've done where the music is all original, at least a head chart is handed out, which helps with conceptualizing the form. I've also had last minute sub gigs where getting some charts from one of the melodic players or making charts because there just not enough time to memorize the material helps a bunch showing up last minute to put out a fire. Reading is also great for learning. You can dive right into any book or transcription. Speaking of transcriptions, knowning how to read also educates one on how to write. I find reading is like a muscle... If you don't do it all the time, it will atrophy, so it definitely requires maintenance. I started playing music as a clarinetist when I was young, so reading was a requirement. When I started drums, I definitely used it to my advantage for catching up on the time lost in the shed. I think one thing that needs to be said for the reading vs. not reading argument is that there is no disadvantage from knowning how to read. It's also fun. Once you have your sight reading down, showing up to a hit and reading down a couple of sets, making ensemble figures and nailing roadmaps is a blast. One thing that really helped my jazz playing coming up was all the different methods for reading the swingable exercises from Ted Reed's syncopation book. It really opened my eyes to orchestrating single line rhythms across the kit and into my comping.
I do have a big band book on order so I can start diving head first into that stuff. Proficiency will take me a while but I’ve been surprised by how well I’ve been taking to it so far. Only to say that I’ve been intimidated by it for nothing this whole time. Simple hand written charts and lead sheets are much easier to read now. And being able to just sing a groove then write it down is pretty cool. My biggest hurdle will be real time bar-by-bar navigation.
Really Rob lol, Stevie Wonder, ha. He couldn't read on a number of levels. Anyway, about reading, I was touring with a jazz band over 10 years ago and that was the last time I saw sheet music. When there was reading it was only a couple bars and then ad lib. The only wrote out parts were the specific parts in the music that were synced up with the other musicians other than that it was up to you to play the beat. Congrats on taking the time to better your self in the drumming craft whether with the traditional grip or reading music you'll be great at it over time. Keep up the good work.
If I don’t have time to practice it and have a few minutes I scan through the piece and highlight a tricky rhythms and break it down as fast as I can. For the rest I sight read it
How important is it? answer: depends. For a teenager in a tribute band to sex pistols the answer could be Zero important. For a drummer that wants to play in Big bands where everything is scripted is paramount. And in the middle anything. But i think knowing to read music is just great to access the tons of material in books and it also helps to memorize stuff since you now have a visual clue related to the sounds. I couldn't take advantage of, for example, groove essentials by Tommy Igoe if i couldn't read. Even watching the videos with him explaining the grooves in detail, without the music sheet is almost worthless material. So to sum it up, for a drummer in the making, who isn't sure what his path will gonna be, i would say "learn to read, it takes some hours after all, and sooner or later you will find it usefull".....And i don't care if there are drummers reading music that sound terrible, since obviously knowing how to read is not a warranty of anything.
Good points presented here, Rob. I think that the greater your skill set, the more opportunities you can audition for. Another great reading package is Pat Petrillo's Learn To Read Rhythms Better.
good video & discussion! always enjoy your down-to-earth, accessible approach to drumming. personally I'm self-taught and never even really thought about learning to read. I usually just learn parts by ear which is definitely possible with drums although I imagine seeing everything on paper might work better for others. occasionally I prefer it - I joined a band a few months ago that already has completed songs, so I did make some notes while learning just to make sure I knew the structure and different drum parts I applaud anyone who can read though - probably doesn't hurt to have all the available knowledge/tools at your disposal, but I don't think reading really aligns with my personal goals and style so it just hasn't been necessary
Rob I am fair at reading mostly got lost. A drummer to me reading was ok I needed more Street playing meaning in a band situation this was about 30 plus yrs ago. Only play with a couple of people short lived band.
I learned the "Classical" reading thing in school, now one thing that it did to me was stifle my creativity to some extent. I see the value in it, but I always question.....is this right or should I try this because conductors want you to play EXACTLY as written. I know lots of guys who can read and are creative, but sometimes I wonder if I'd do more things creatively if I felt free to do so. When I played country music a lot of times we would receive a chart which was very simple , but they expected that you understood the Nashville System and could read a simple chart.
Unless you are playing in a Pit situation doing a book show it is not necessary to play every single note on the page. When I see a fill suggestion, I usually do my own stuff ....not what is notated (which is usually pretty bad). If it is a book show you better play what is on the page until you are familiar with the show. Learning to read is not that difficult , if you can divide by 2 you can learn to read in no time. Like you said, it is a mystery until you just jump in and figure it out. It is much more difficult to read the English language . Which is what you just did. LOL
As a severely dyslexic self taught drummer playing rock/metal/hardcore I can’t see me working by anything other than by ear. I also play guitar and bass and have been exclusively self taught and work only by ear rather than use sheet music/guitar tabs. My whole approach to music has always been as simple as listen and learn. Working with musicians that can’t just listen and work out their parts just feels like they aren’t engaged in the music or their instrument in the same way. Each to their own 🤷🏻♂️
A HUUUUUGE issue in a lot of churches, man. I hear you, though. I’d much rather play with musicians who can listen but can’t read than a bunch of great readers who can’t listen
I always think its a good idea to learn to read and write to share ideas easily. but reading while your playing a little conflicting for me. music is from the soul, not the paper.
I think the feel of the music is more important than hitting every note for example; the drum machine. The machine can play the notes but without the feel of the music. jmo. With that said to be able to break the licks down and to be able to practice with books is great for learning and improving your technique.
That's one thing I can't stand about jazz players .Everything is all about technique and notes,They get so hung up on the technicality that they play with ZERO feel or emotion. They might be incredible technical players But man are they boring to watch or listen to. Just about all of them play the same, Drum kitsch sound the same ,The same dry / dark sounding cymbals etc....
My personal feeling on this subject just for me only is:Ive been playing drums for over 40 yrs now...not saying it wouldnt have helped but no I have no clue whatsoever how to read a piece of music....sometimes I wished I could (very rarely) but I havent really needed it , and that is NOT coming from a "snobby" standpoint either at all , I just simply suck at Math and do not understand it 1 iota....tried to learn 20 or so yrs ago and just couldnt get into it.....has it hurt me?? yeah maybe a little bit , but its not that big of deal , most people I play with also do not read anyway.....for me I have always "felt" music...may not always get it right away but I eventually do , another reason is , I dont really play that much anymore and really dont play "gigs" that much either soooo.....now having said all that if you are a young guy starting out today I would suggest it because its being used now more than ever in the top level fields (lower fields are for us "dummies" out there ..joke intended) on the other hand now that Im older (55) it would be kinda fun in a way to learn a different fundamental of the instrument....but hey who knows?? LOL!!! love your vids Rob....keep them coming,,,,
I can't read music, don't even know the chord names of 99% of the chords I know how to play. I think people like me have a natural ear for notes and can hear them well enough to replicate them well enough to recreate them on their instrument, that's how I teach myself, that's how I create originals too not just reproducing cover music. I was born with it, and I feel from conversations with others like me that a LOT of musicians like me have a born talent for hearing and creating music naturally
Good for you. You first learned to play then to read. Like little babies, they first learn to speak and after that to write and read. I Think it is the way to go. Changing subject... Heavy readers, and people that do all his/her playing through reading have intrinsic flaws too, for instance lack of musical memory or improvisational skills (I'm thinking musicians in general here, not specially drummers) So reading can be a pitfall if it is the only access to music for you.
Well said, man. Yes, I’ve often wished I were a better reader. But I’m also not sorry about having developed a freakish ear and ability to retain a ton of information purely because of the lack.
Ha...I think this was a smart way to motivate drummers to learn how to read music!!! Actually it is motivating. I have been playing drums for a long time starting in a polka band with my brothers when the accordion wasn't a very cool instrument. I remember being in high school and watching the school band play at an assembly and watching the drummer. I thought ...geez I can play better than him ...but then I noticed he had a music stand down beside his high hat. He was following along to the sheet music. At that moment I felt dumb. I knew I couldn't do what he was doing and my thoughts of being better went out the window. I kinda felt inferior after that to the "real" musicians who read music. I could never be as good as them. My nephew then comes along and in a matter of a few years learns to read and write and compose on the piano ..and ends up at Berkeley. He lives in Toronto and has already done some work on Broadway. Now that made me feel really dumb. How can he learn music theory and reading at that level so fast? Well ..you have given me some hope. You are a terrific drummer and have decided to hammer away at that skill. Inspiring to me. I just read a book by Carol Dweck called mindset. You are in the growth mindset ..I think I was stuck in a fixed mindset about my drumming. So there you go who wudda thunk you can learn all this on a youtube channel about drumming!!!! Thanks!!!
it’s probably worth your time/money to seek out an established/successful/professional private teacher/mentor in your area. They can help one get on the right track as far as identifying weaknesses and figuring out what/how to practice... Good luck!
Knowing how to read music is like knowing all the special math tricks. It helps your creative ability to write parts and is definitely important if you are into complex progressive music.
I can sit down and figure something out if I have to but I could never sight read. That being said it would take me quite a while but reading is a skill I will keep plugging away at at my own pace. eventually I'd like to be able to sight read drum music. P.S. Was a shock to me that Buddy Rich couldn't read!
Street level know-how should at least include following a lead sheet, you know, count measures, follow repeats, hit that measure of 5/4 that's thrown in there, and so on. It helps you learn a tune even if you can't run it down cold the first time.
Hey Rob , I started playing around 14 years old in church and quit playing around 16 years old. I never learned to read music but I did learn to play the older church songs on my own. I'm 53 now and have recently started going to church regularly and being that we don't have a drummer, I decided to start playing again, well playing at it. I can keep a beat but these newer praise songs these days kinda throw me for a loop sometimes. Anyway, do you think it would be helpful for me to learn how to read music and I'm going to me a set of gretsch Catalina maple drums for my home and wanted to know if you have any thoughts on those drums. I know you are a Yamaha fan but maybe at one point in time you have run across a set of gretsch drums and could give a little praise or criticism on them, either way will not hurt my feelings.
Being familiar with reading/writing, I've been noticing, really helps with the prep process while lifting new music before rehearsals. Those occasional 'How did that groove go, again' 🤔 brain freeze moments kind of disappear. The Catalina drums are great. I'm actually a huge Gretsch fan. It's probably the only other company I'd happily endorse.
and to all those who ponder this question for themselves, I have a question. I don't ask this to belittle or insult anyone, but ask yourself: Are you proud of not being able to read music?
Just so y'all know; Rob brown was wrong about saying Stevie Wonder can't read music notes but, it is not Rob's fault for not knowing that music notes are also written in braille, or maybe he knew...but it just so happen's that Stevie Wonder actually does know how to read music notes in braille, God Bless and peace
Hey Rob, I'm looking for some help as where to start learning to read music? Any books, videos, etc. that you have used or currently using to help you with your reading? I was self taught, 3rd generation drummer with no schooling. I don't read music but never let that hold me back. I've been fortunate enough to be able to be a full time musician with a touring band, and also fill in gigs for local, regional, and national artists/bands, as well as do session work. I've learned to make and read Nashville Number Charts and can get me through almost any gig/session I get called for. But I'm really wanting to begin learning how to read music. Thanks! Love the videos! Keep em coming!
Syncopation is fantastic. Lots of simple single line repetitive rhythms in there that’ll help you get familiar with reading lines. If you have an iPhone, get that Rhythm Sight Reading Trainer app. 20-30 minutes a night with that for a few weeks and you’ll be reading lead sheets in no time.
Can anyone tell me I just started reading again after 20odd years of playing drums and I did learn the basics and now want to learn big time..I need to know how long would it take to be able to read a drum chart fluently 1,3,5yrs? I have given myself a yr practising an hr a night
Hi Rob, I’m a professional drummer and I’ve been teaching privately for years in Pakistan, how Important is it for me be able to read music as a teacher if i was from your side of the world? Because no one (at least drummers) they don’t read charts/notations here..! 🙏🏼❤️ also been following you for years big fan
A super basic understanding of reading is helpful and will get you thru most ‘real world’ charts. Sight reading is a great skill to have, but not necessary for most work you’ll get as a regular working drummer, unless you get into the theatre or jazz ensemble scenes or the cruise ship circuit. Got plenty of friends touring with big national acts. No reading required.
Can't read .For me ,It would be like learning to play all over again after twenty plus years .I've heard guys talk about quarter notes, sixteenths etc. ,I don't make any sense out of it unless I hear what it sounds like .
Jump in on the conversation, y'all. What do you guys think about the whole reading thing?
Rob Brown Hey brother, first off congratulations! Super psyched to hear that you’re challenging yourself with this. I know it will have huge payoff for you.
Second, find out if you can sit in for rehearsal with a local college jazz band. They will likely have charts, and when you force your self to have to read in the moment, the trial by fire definitely raises your abilities more quickly.
Thank you for being so genuine and open about your musical growth. That is how you inspire me most.
RB, how do you notate lyric sheets for gigs? I don’t have a method, so I usually skip it (or just make some marks that I might not recognize later) and muddle through, but I want to have a better plan when I’m gigging new songs. Help!
To me, it is a tool, just like every thing you learn. It is usefull to understand better what you want to play. I used writing a few times to be able to actually see what I wanted to play and those grooves went from complicated to easy. I think that reading should be like the double stroke, a thing, a technique, that help you do things easyer. Never gloryfy it, but definetly worth try to learn
i am self taught i could not read and play at the same time
Hey. Rob Brown. Great channel. Stevie Wonder can read braille music, as can (could, RIP) Ray Charles. Talking Book is a braille music reading device I believe, that Stevie gave to Ray as a gift. Stevie's got a music degree, (one real one, probably a thousand honorary ones) I think from Pasadena.
Reading is great because you can break down music in a clear, simple visual way down to the 32nd note or 64th note. It becomes less of an arbitrary thing. Reading won't necessarily make you a better musician just like being able to read language won't necessarily make you a great writer. But it will bring you a clear understanding of what you're playing as a reinforcement if you're a great musician.
I think being a complete musician involves 4 factors. 1. Being great at your instrument 2. Theory/reading 3. Having a solid ear through ear training. 4. Being able to effectively communicate and work well with other musicians.
Yo Rob, enjoy your vids. I am a full time drum teacher and owner of In The Sticks Drum School here in RI. You are correct , reading is not a necessity at all. However I do tell my students basic simple reading is required or I wouldn’t be able to give them much practice material and it makes them absorb better. You’ll be just fine at it but I will say this, once your change reading from 4/4 to odd time like say 7, the note values change count wise. This can be confusing but I think you’ll do great. Any questions I’m here bro. Aly
Thanks dude 🙂👊🏽
Great answer! Rob deserve great people, because he is an honest humble guy.
I can read music. I just choose not to unless i have to. It helps being able to read because it can help you play songs you don't know right away, but reading while playing imo takes away something from your performance and if it's a first time playing a song live just straight off the score you will not be able to put any form of feel in the song unless it's extremely repetitive.
That's my opinion, i hope you all have your own :)
I’ve always thought the same. I don’t wanna pay for a show ticket just to watch 6 people stare at music stands all night. As for the musician side, I’d much rather be in the moment. My lack of reading in some ways been a plus because it has forced me to develop a freakishly good memory and ability to retain and recall lots of information.
I would say instead of debating the whole ear playing vs reading why not be good at both? To me they're meant to be a package deal. You are ultimately better off being solid at both as opposed to picking one over the other. But I will say, as a teacher of 20 years, every student of mine that refused to read struggled more than the ones that did for a variety of reasons. I never saw any benefit to simply not learning to read while I see tons of benefits to being able to do so. It's never a negative. It will always enhanced your playing and understanding of music. Knowing how to read is like knowing your ABC's. That's how I look at it. So why not do it if you have an opportunity to. You can ultimately reach your goals however you want. But to me, both are better than choosing one over the other. Just my 2 cents.
THAT'S IT.
Most of the time basic reading is adequate.
The first thing I do when looking at a chart is to check for style markings, tempo, and form. If I have to sight read a piece with little or no prep time, then honing in on these three things will usually help me get through it decently.
If I have some time to prepare for playing a chart, I will make highlighter markings on the different rehearsal letters or numbers, as well as repeats or D.S./coda markings, to help me navigate the piece more efficiently (but be sure not to use anything other than pencil on original copies of a chart that isn’t yours, or you may be paying for it 🤦♂️).
Sometimes it is helpful to ask for a melody or bass part to help determine accents. Some drum charts may not notate them, but even when they do, it’s good to understand them in context. If I make sure to play the right kicks in the piece along with the band, we will sound much more polished and professional.
Hope all of this is helpful.
Outstanding Music sightreading strategy! Thank you!
"Sight Read Drums" on RUclips is the best! Finally after 42 years of playing drums I can legit get through a chart. Easy learning! You get to see the form of the tune And I can even read ahead for fills now. Always been self taught with a good ear. A street player. It's very liberating, and you begin to see how music is a language. I'm doing it just to get literate, and so I can teach more easily. Always had difficulty memorizing the figures. Give it a try!
Excellent debate.It can only help to read.It gives you a broader palette as a musician.While it won't make you play better,Your understanding and musical awareness will make you more employable.
I've been reading sheet music for a few years now. I absolutely reccomend it to everyone. Not super in depth 12/8 insanity, but the basics. Know your triplets, dotted 8s, dotted 16s, syncopations, and for guitarist/piano etc, don't worry so much about the modes, and such. Just know what and how your triads, major chords, elementary scales etc are made. If you're playing a 6/8 swing or dotted 8s and your bassist is counting it like its 8th notes in a 3/4, the articulated beats aren't gonna cut, someone gonna be fucking up on the down beat, and its gonna sound bad more often than not.
Completely agree!!!! Let me make an analogy with a natural thing we all do. Playing a musical instrument is like speaking, where you make controlled, meaningful sounds. You don't need to know how to read a text to be able to speak. But once you speak you get benefits from knowing how to read a text. Reading a text is like reading music. I think that there is the same relation on learning to play a musical instrument (speaking) and learning to read music (read a text). (JR from PORTUGAL)
This video I think is a reassurance to those who are feeling obligated to have to read via peer pressure or bullying in the music industry.
Learning basic drum notation, note values etc is useful for learning written beats, fills and exercises.
Some tips that really helped me. 1.Read ahead 2 when you sit down with a piece before you start playing memorize the first couple of bars but then re read them as you're playing and it will help to lessen the nerves and you'll find that you seamlessly start to transition in to that 3rd measure. 3. Take 15 minutes of every practice session and devote it to sight reading. 4. Transcribe!! this is a big one because it makes you listen to music visually as well as auditorily. 5. Don't spend too much time on it at first. 15-20 minutes a day is enough. If you're getting burnt out on it in a practice session chances are you should have stopped a while before you did. 6. work on it outside of the practice room. Again with this a little goes a long way. Carry a notebook and write rhythms and rests out that you come up with. It's work but it really is worth it.
Hi Rob, I’d say this is the “ Age old question “ for us drummers. I decided to go the reading route when I knew that playing drums were my passion. * in a nutshell, it’s a means to and end. It gets you where you want to be, in my opinion much faster. It gives you the asset of knowing exactly what it is you’re playing. It’s kind of like walking into a large store and not knowing where the item is that you’re looking for. You know you’re going to find it - eventually. However, if you ask the clerk, where the item is, she would direct you to it, probably much faster than walking around looking for it. For me, I am really glad I took that route. > I do have some advice about reading : after familiarizing yourself with common times like 4/4 and such. Don’t wait too long in jumping straight into 5/4, 7/8, 9/8, 13/16 and other odd times... ONE MORE HELPFUL HINTFOR YOU : ( I hope ) all of those above mentioned odd times CAN be thought of in 4/4... it’s a simple... 4/4 = 8/8 = ( 7/8 - which has 1 less eighth note )
Counting in 4 : you stop at the 4 ( with no and ) ie, 1+2+3+4 1+2+ and so on...
9/8 = you add another 1/8th note..
13/16 - count it in 4 counting 1e+a2e+a
3e+a4... anyhow man, I hope this helps
Hey Rob! Big fan, and a pretty confident reader. My approach to reading is the same I take if I'm reading some text out loud. Start to look at it in a big picture way. Look for phrases you recognize, repeating patterns. So instead of reading every letter of every word, you're looking for recognizable words. This really helps keeping ahead of what you're playing, and also, if the music isn't already divided this way, try to notate the phrases (4 bars, 6 bars, whatever they may be). This lets you see your phrase as one entity, and if it's a fairly repetitive pattern, you can just remember to play the phrase once, twice, etc, and focus on the big changes that happen within, instead of worrying about keeping up with every note
i learned to read and write drum parts myself. its very essential most especially playing on a gig 4-5 hours straight with different kinds of genre makes you forget certain parts and you will mess with horns. It takes me 30 minutes to write down certain piece and I can land it down perfectly without sitting on my drums that's how important reading and writing is. don't waste your time banging whole day for just one music your working for cover. Banging is for fun but if you mean business its another dimension. thanks for sharing Rob! PNP PRO6 Band Drummer
I taught myself just by learning songs that I listened to, but I am also in my school band (and drumline) so I of course know how to read. I can surely say for drumset, that reading is NOT a necessity. It all depends on where you want to go. If you want to play in a jazz band, you need to be able to read. In any form of music without the use of a composer/conductor/director, where you make your own music, you don't need to read music.
The bottom line answer seems to be pretty simple. Reading HELPS, emphasis on the "HELPS". Not a necessity. I can read although not overly well and currently improving, it is definitely helpful. Great video, keep up the awesome work.
We charted out everything in Nashville either reading or reading Nashville numbers. If you want to do most session work you will need to read. Putting off reading is limiting where you can go and the opportunities that will be open to you. Not being able to read doesn't take away from the ability to accurately hit notes, but it definitely adds to who will hire you, the speed at which you can play new pieces, and your ability to create new pieces. I come from a world where it's a 1 or 2 take wrap, and we don't have time to fix mistakes; get it right the first time. For drummers the ability to count takes priority, but to also knowing where the changes are in the environment that they're playing. Reading fixes all of that. It's good to count to try to stay on time, but it's essential to count as a place keeper for the changes. When Buddy Rich got new charts he hired someone else to play them because he couldn't read them. Of the guys names you mentioned they still had to know scale theory to know why musical notes, intervals, chords, and scales fit together at least enough to play on key. Not being able to read won't stop you from becoming a rock star, but it will limit the amount of work you can get.
Edit: I will also say that Buddy Rich was ashamed at his lack of education within music and outside. I would encourage you to be the best you can be.
My take on reading. If you really want to be a player learn at least the basics of reading. Hell, I can sit on RUclips and watch a 15-minute video to learn one lick, or I can go down to my basement and right off the bat start learning from the best, Gadd, Garibaldi, Philly Joe Jones, Guiliana, and on and on. If there's something I want to learn, I can transcribe it because I took the time learn the basics of reading. I'm no great sight-reader, but if I were I could pick up more work than I'm getting now. So, yeah. Learn to read. It's fundamental.
BTW, Kudos to Rob Brown for a great youtube channel
I'm a self taught player, and part of my education was musical theory; which requires reading. I will not down anyone who doesn't read, but I will say it's not wise to limit your understanding of music because it takes a little effort to learn. I did eventually take my instrument to university where I further learned the art and science of theory, but as far as my instrument goes I am completely self taught.
I play both.
I'm self taught on every instrument I play.
I also read drum music and for me, it opens a whole new world! It's more about the breakdown of the music, than it is necessary to play a song!
I think having the skill is helpful. It makes you more versatile at the end of the day. From making your own charts to being able to learn concepts from a book. Also, just like writing anything else down, it helps when you don't have to memorize everything. Now I can't sight read very well, but I can take and sit down and digest it slowly. Rob this is just mode motivation to get better at it.
Rob, I have been watching your vids for a year or so, and really enjoy your playing, approach, and straight up teaching style. So, thanks! I'm 61, still in 3 bands, son of a full time pro (RIP dad) who played some major Broadway shows among everything else in a 50+ year career. I love the drums---but I also play guitar, and dabble in keys, bass, etc. Anyway as far as reading I would say this: First of all, you are correct it isn't a requirement to play well, but also---it isn't that hard to learn and folks shouldn't feel intimidated about learning if they so desire. Just get a book or take some lessons, and devote a part of your practice time to it. You don't have to be some kind of genius to do it, and don't let anyone look down on you if you can't. As you said, most of the time you will not be asked to read anyway. Two more quick points: I have noticed that there are a number of very good players who have a hard time memorizing tunes (Jazz standards etc) and that's because they are so used to having a chart in front of them. I do not want to play in public staring at a chart, it don't look good. We are performers after all. Also, I don't know how important traditional reading will be in the future because of incredible advances in quick recording and other technologies. I first heard that idea from none other than Tommy Igoe, and I think he is correct. So anyway, thanks again, I appreciate what you do.
After 40 years, I've buckled down and started to teach myself to read. It's amazing (as you said) how easy it can be once you apply yourself. I've been transcribing charts for tunes when I audition and it's amazing how much it can assist you just that little bit and give you the edge. Because of that, I got the gig that I wanted.
I think this is all well said. Good for you that you're undertaking the task of learning to read music better. As far as tips on sight reading I have a few. First, look something over BEFORE you play it with a pencil. If you're able to listen to a recording or look at a score while you're doing so even better! Write in A FEW notes with your pencil that you think might be helpful when reading it, ie counting, cues from other parts, spots that need closer attention, ect. But also make sure you're still able to see the forest through the trees when you do this. Second, PRACTICE. Like anything else in music, I've found that the longer that I've been doing sight reading, the better I've gotten at it. You can practice by putting sheets of music in front of you that you haven't played or that you haven't played in a while. However, another great way to do this is by listening to a recording of something while you follow along with the sheet music at the same time. Finally, I've also found that writing music and transcriptions in sheet music form is helpful for sight reading. Good luck.
I've definitely been in the habit of writing a lot of stuff out now, just so I can see it. And part of my nightly ritual is following charts to either something I'm listening to or a tune Im already familiar with. I'm noticing a lot of common note groupings, much like common words in different paragraphs. Thanx for the tips, man
So, yeah, reading... I highly recommend it. I came up through the band program at my elementary, junior high, and high schools. Believe it or not, the greatest impact on my reading chops as a noob, came from reading snare drum music in marching band! That set the tone, and from there I was able to read charts in jazz band, hitting all the horn kicks and unison ensemble licks as well as the concert band literature. For set playing, the Tommy Igoe Groove Essential books are great. Play alongs with charts can’t be beat. But honestly, the best tip is to teach someone else to read... after graduating, I worked as a marching percussion instructor for thirty years. The best way to learn something is to teach it. Find someone that knows less than you do and teach them what you know. You’ll be amazed at what that does for your own abilities.
I learned to read in grammar school . I made my living playing (44 yrs touring ) owned two houses, married 43 years ,raised 2 kids .Retired in Florida playing weekends . Worst part of that is setting up my set . Never used my reading since I learned to .. BTW,, Love your stuff Rob !!
Much respect bro.
Great discussion. Thank you for that. I took lessons and started reading from day 1. So it was a long time before I even knew there were musicians out there who couldn't read music. I agree that reading isn't necessary, because you can't argue with all the incredible musicians that you mentioned. But one additional point I'd make in favor of reading is that there's a whole world of wonderful drum method books out there and being able to read complex drum music will open up a drummer to that resource.
I had to play more or less 50 cover songs in a recital with not much time to listen to it. What I did was I transcribed all of it and felt relaxed and ease during the recital. it's because I have all the songs written. So, for me it is very necessary to read music..
bieng able to read and write music has been a big part of my drumming , on dep gigs not alot of time to learn stuff so quickly write out some charts , easy , dont need to spend hours and hours learning a song , by the time i finish a chart i can pretty much play the song . just got the drum seat with The Wall Of Floyd , charted everything out , had 1 rehearsal and they were very pleased especially the intro to TIME on the roto toms which i sight read so its the same as on record . so for me yes reading is a massive part of my drumming and also teaching .
I’ve definitely been finding that being able to write out drum parts makes prep time easier before rehearsals. Practice time as well. If I come up with a dope lick by accident, I can just write it out now instead of whipping out the iPhone camera
I think every musician should be able to read music, I think no good drummer should stress about learning music. If a drummer can't read music they should at least learn the basics, it helps if you ever need to write anything you play down, or if there's a song you can't learn and you can only find the drum charts and can't read it then what are you going to do? it really is an important skill to have, it isn't a skill that you should practice. I learned to read sheets in middle school and there are no regrets here. I can sight read rhythms, have to write out notes if its tonal percussion. I would say the better question isn't "how important is learning to read music?" the better question is "why haven't you learned how to read music?" Not because you can't be good without knowing it, because you can be better if you do know it. I would probably be at a very similar level that im at right now. There's no reason not to learn music, but there's also no reason to feel bad about not knowing how to read music.
Great question. Best to know some basics IMHO. Tips: 1st review the "sheet music" w/o playing. Next, work out the rhythm sloowwly till it feels right noting what drum or cymbal gets played. While reading, never think back to the note(s) you missed (aka mistake) or you'll tense up mentally and physically, and possibly slow down the tempo. Play what is needed for the beat. Sighting too far ahead may cause you to also miss notes and speed up. *Lol, I agree with one of your viewers, you can get a kink in the neck by reading off a music stand placed either left or right. Final analysis, I would play from my knowing various grooves, but if it has to be played exactly as composed, that requires you to be great sight reader.
I always struggled with reading back in high school band. But what little I learned has been helpful
over the years. For me the best argument for reading was watching the film Wrecking Crew. Which ties into
some of the things you were saying about expanding ones employment opportunities. Good job Ron!
Rob,I agree with you. I'm 65 years old, been playing since I was a teen. No I never got to pro level due to circumstances. Have I gotten work as a drummer? Yes. I've never been called on to read a chart. Can I read and understand notation? Yes. Has it helped me study yes. But that's it. I never did drum Corp,college,nothing like that. So what? I'm now retired,play once a week at a jam session, and study and practice every day,can't always loved it,always will.
"You are now about to witness the strength of street knowledge"...
Personally I found that playing off a chart has greatly improved my concentration in general, I have also found that if you are familiar with your kit setup you are able to anticipate the chart more easily as well as follow along. Naturally in the beginning stages you will tend to play faster than you can read especially if you are playing with a track. All in all being able to read and play exactly what's on the chart is a great skill and will even improve the way you play when you are not reading a chart.
Props to you Rob for tackling the reading challenge! Here are some of my tips:
For the modern drum kit - if there is a drum chart - normally (99% of the time), the chart only has minimal information and it is up to (and expected of) the drummer to interpret the chart and make the drum part sound good. In most cases, the drum chart is not written by a knowledgeable drum part writer. Good news - there usually isn't complex rhythms notated on the page. So a fundamental knowledge and basic note reading will get you by in most situations. For example - saw a Count Basic big band chart with only quarter notes on the snare and bass drums in almost every section. (Drummer plays the jazz swing ride cymbal rhythm in these sections.)
If you can keep your place in a drum chart; this is the main skill. So this is an exercise for your eyes, and training your eyes to keep your place. Learning repeat signs and other "road signs" of the chart will serve you well. Knowing some music theory will help here also - 8 or 16-bar phrasing; when the chorus starts; etc. Most charts have rehearsal markings and/or double-bar markings that signify the start/end of sections such as verses and choruses.
A good memory and good ears are just as important for chart reading. Your ears will confirm your place and help reinforce that you are in the right place.
By the way, Buddy could read basics - he chose to memorize everything. Amazing.
-Jim
That’s good stuff, man. Thanks ✌🏽
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Thanks and no problem!
I normally will learn by ear, but there are cases (especially with linear grooves) I just can't figure it out. I can't read to tempo, but I've worked through grooves I would have never figured out. Guys like Chambers may not be able to read charts, but they can read to a degree. It's a super rare talent to pick up, and execute totally by ear. Practicing with books to a click helps *me greatly. Your explanation is exactly what I mean
I learned the basics of how to read from my high school and private teachers but i have to say tabbing out my drum parts in Guitar Pro (thats a software) really made me fluent. Being able to have the software play the written part back to me was the best way to see if I had correctly written a part I had in my head. To those who want to read and write, I def recommend downloading Guitar Pro and just attempting to tab your drum parts. Great vid as usual Rob.
There is more to drumming once you dig in to reading 😎😎😎
Thank you you just said the same thing I’ve been saying for years good readers horrible drummers thank you Mr. Rob Brown thank you 🙏
I think it really depends on your situation. I am a sophomore in high school, and I have never learned to read melodic notes on the page, but drum/percussion charts have come really easy for me, and I think that the way that the rhythms are shown on the page is actually really simple. But I also think that things like feel and groove can't really be put on the page. You have to develop those things on your own in order to become a better player, and I think that's the reason why this topic is so debated among drummers because the feel and groove of a song is so hard to describe. It's like trying to tell a blind man what colors are. In conclusion, if you really need it for playing situations, then it wouldn't be a bad idea to learn at least the drum charts. If you want to invest your musical talents into more than just the drumset than it wouldn't be a bad idea to learn some basic music theory.
I absolutely love your videos. I"m not a drummer , however, I am a Pianist/ Keyboard artist and I tried throughout all of my life to learn Music theory but if one considers what " theory " means it 's based on someone else's logic . I have my own logic and theory of how someone can learn the piano which I"m still in the procesa of developing. I have a 13 yr old I tested this theory on and he plays very well.
I'm a very beginner drummer and I want to know how to at least read the basics. Just to have the ability.
Rob, excellent discussion. I think your perspective on whether or not to read is dead on and much appreciated. I’m self taught and a non-reader
Love this guy so much. makes me feel grateful for studying/reading music in college
Thanks Rob for the info I'm a self taught drummer for over 20 years ..and I found issues with trying to learn a when watching a video and they start talking notation.bars ext.. You answered my question towards myself about learning basic reading!! Thanks keep up the good work you rock
Like any skill, akin to a tool in the toolkit, it can be crucial or hardly used at all, but if you have it then make it work for you. Some songs fall into place with a good listening to, you learn it that quick, others need to be analysed and expressed as intended; with swing, groove, con brio etc. As you said some jobs specify play as per the score or the conductor/musical director dictates. It’s a common language that other musicians are bound by so it can open those doors to not only learning, but nailing it. Reflecting on how RBB got your liking for some styles you had the time to play along to them and use that as a template, if time is a premium then a scoresheet can reduce your learning and, critically, knowing time.
I mean... why not. If you have time (even if you don't) there's nothing holding you back, reading is really REALLY easy (take this from a 13- wait no it was my birthday today 14-year-old drummer, known it since I was 7). The hard part is hearing the music in your head but just listen and read at the same time. It's a great way to practice, and you can do it pretty much anywhere (if you're in a queue to literally anything). Do I think I'm better because of that? Hell no. I can't play 32s at any tempo above 90. The difference and the sole reason I'm considered the best drummer out of my section in the orchestra is that of how solid and musical I am in every style of music we play. (I also happen to be the most experienced but that's not hard when you start at age 3 ._.). I can improvise for 90% of the situations, and I can make things sound good.
Also literally everyone in the orchestra knows how to read every type of notation (be it drums, piano or trombone), personally, I also know tabs even if I dislike them.
I am not a better musician because I can read, I'm a good musician because I'm musical.
You know MUSICian and all of that.
Same goes for you.
My tip for reading is listening to what you're reading, you will start getting a feel for it. It's really helpful if you can try to notate a beat in your head, start off writing beats from your head and then move on to notating them by ear from songs. This can be frustrating but is honestly the equivalent of perfect pitch in rhythm form. This is my preferred method but some people will tell you it's bad, it's not. Some of the teachers (only the Russians as I've noticed. not being racist.) want you to interpret it yourself and see how close you are but this is literally just testing, not practicing.
At the end just have fun, I play the harp (YUP..... that's a combo) as well so I need it more than other drummers but if you find it boring and frustrating just don't do it. Music is a way to express yourself and if you get annoyed you will be less musical (unless you're playing metal or really any kind of angry music).
PS Love you Beatdown, been getting better every day from your channel
I was taught to be embarrassed to be illiterate. I have played small clubs to areas, small studios, big studios, etc., I have beed asked to read many times. There are gigs that you cannot get without being able to read well.
Will learning to read music make you a better musician? Hell yes!
I really enjoy watching your videos as you inspired me to develop more. I started learning 30 years ago- was taught how to read as well. Got good, life then got in the way and getting back into it after big breaks in between. I currently have not put my sticks down for 6 months and seeing great results. You have inspired me along the way with small quotes “there’s no limit” etc. I always struggled with reading in professional situations and did some local pit work 25 yers ago and either struggled to read ahead or got lost when the orchestra was in full swing. Luckily I have a great memory for rhythm and listened to the albums of the musicals ahead of time so was able to fill in....but eventually I found it too stressful and stopped it. I would love to know how to get back into it and get more fluent at it x
For me it's about the basics only. Minimal knowledge increases the ability to better "see" and feel where the limbs are playing upbeats and downbeats when crossing multi-layered patterns and practicing advanced independence/interdependence. I don't think is necessary to be the greatest but be able to understand notation enough to at least be able to work through a pattern slowly and find the parts that give you trouble and figure out the subdivisions that need the work.
If you're interested in the math of polyrhythms and getting into parts that start intertwining and hella alien.....reading helps a ton.
The basics can get you pretty far, man. Not to dumb it down any, of course, but a good majority of ‘average jobber’ hand written charts I’ve seen aren’t as intimidating as I used to imagine. Won’t happen overnight for me, but the hill ain’t as big as I thought.
Totally agree. I read all through college but haven't read much the last 10 yrs or so and getting back into it is humbling. Musicians that KNOW they are good players let that ego pain of not immediately "being good at everything", cripple them/us!! Keep plugging away. Go slow. Write out the counting below the notes. Its just like anything new on the kit. The speed and "naturalness" just comes with time and consistency.
Learned how to read when I took lessons, but I learned more taking class on music theory and playing the piano after the drums. That said, with drums, I'd rather figure it out heuristically if I can. Reading can help with stuff I can't get by ear.
Always love how informative and inspiring your content is, very much appreciated :)
Personally, I think playing by ear is more beneficial for groove and in truly knowing a song, however I also think learning to read has been greatly beneficial for my technique. Reading definitely helped build my technique when it came to reading snare solos or exercises as the rudiments and accents would continue shifting and evolving. Both this and learning to sight-read, which worked on my reaction times, forced me to loosen up my hands more.
I think learning to read is going to benefit most people in some shape or form, and then there are those, like you mentioned, who are just born musical geniuses.
Our jazz instructor in our college, who has played in many top notch sessions in Capitol Records for example, told us that studio work requires good reading skills.
You may be provided with the charts and the MIDI track with click, and you have to lay it down on usually 1-3 takes.
Cirque du Soleil is alive and well, I'm planning to audition after I graduate and get some experience.
He’s right. But the sessions he was doin at Capital Records aren’t nearly as available these days as they were when session work was poppin’. Reading, however, will definitely open you up to theatre and pit work which is a cool scene to get into if you can. And pays way better than your average session.
@@RobBeatdownBrown Pit work is exactly the kind of stuff I'm planning to do. After graduation Imma go do cruise ships for a while to get some real experience, and then audition for something bigger and better, like Cirque du Soleil or pit work on Broadway.
Many shows have separate drums and perc, so I'm studying concert percussion on the side while in college.
Thank you for these clinics bro! Very good no-nonsense kind of stuff! :)
I prefer reading also Rob because the first time I try to read note on my vicfirth poster only 2 days without no husle I learn the music got to believe by Sheryl lyn one of my favorite music. I try it not because I want to learn it's because my father a drummer on a band and my mother a singer told me that I should learn to read she said if i want to play on band with lot of request and you don't nkow how to play it theres the note to help you so I started to learn it also to advance until now.
Man, best channel, such great takes, great knowledge, humble and down to earth. Thanks for all the great stuff. I have minimal reading knowledge...I think it's because I figure it will take way too long to get good at it...but you have some good insight, little bit at a time and maybe it ain't that difficult...
Not to mention he is a God fearing man. He is doing a great job representing God and Jesus.
It's good as long as it doesn't sound like your just reading the notes and no really drive to music. It's nice to be able to read a chart and not sound like you're reading.
Interesting video, In fact I started learning to read a few weeks ago, Not because I felt the need for it as a drummer, Just because of my personal interest because I want to start playing keys as well and be able to write my own stuff, or when I'm with my band and I have some Ideas ( And I do have a lot of great Ideas ) I should be able to tell them. So maybe as only a drummer you won't need it , But if you want to write music for the band you should know a bit of music theory
As with any art form, any tool added to your skill set can only help. Don't forget about big band and modern jazz gigs. Big band always comes with charts and most jazz gigs I've done where the music is all original, at least a head chart is handed out, which helps with conceptualizing the form. I've also had last minute sub gigs where getting some charts from one of the melodic players or making charts because there just not enough time to memorize the material helps a bunch showing up last minute to put out a fire. Reading is also great for learning. You can dive right into any book or transcription. Speaking of transcriptions, knowning how to read also educates one on how to write. I find reading is like a muscle... If you don't do it all the time, it will atrophy, so it definitely requires maintenance. I started playing music as a clarinetist when I was young, so reading was a requirement. When I started drums, I definitely used it to my advantage for catching up on the time lost in the shed. I think one thing that needs to be said for the reading vs. not reading argument is that there is no disadvantage from knowning how to read. It's also fun. Once you have your sight reading down, showing up to a hit and reading down a couple of sets, making ensemble figures and nailing roadmaps is a blast. One thing that really helped my jazz playing coming up was all the different methods for reading the swingable exercises from Ted Reed's syncopation book. It really opened my eyes to orchestrating single line rhythms across the kit and into my comping.
I do have a big band book on order so I can start diving head first into that stuff. Proficiency will take me a while but I’ve been surprised by how well I’ve been taking to it so far. Only to say that I’ve been intimidated by it for nothing this whole time. Simple hand written charts and lead sheets are much easier to read now. And being able to just sing a groove then write it down is pretty cool. My biggest hurdle will be real time bar-by-bar navigation.
Really Rob lol, Stevie Wonder, ha. He couldn't read on a number of levels. Anyway, about reading, I was touring with a jazz band over 10 years ago and that was the last time I saw sheet music. When there was reading it was only a couple bars and then ad lib. The only wrote out parts were the specific parts in the music that were synced up with the other musicians other than that it was up to you to play the beat. Congrats on taking the time to better your self in the drumming craft whether with the traditional grip or reading music you'll be great at it over time. Keep up the good work.
I've started doing the same, not for professional reasons, but because I feel it's time.
If I don’t have time to practice it and have a few minutes I scan through the piece and highlight a tricky rhythms and break it down as fast as I can. For the rest I sight read it
How important is it? answer: depends. For a teenager in a tribute band to sex pistols the answer could be Zero important. For a drummer that wants to play in Big bands where everything is scripted is paramount. And in the middle anything. But i think knowing to read music is just great to access the tons of material in books and it also helps to memorize stuff since you now have a visual clue related to the sounds. I couldn't take advantage of, for example, groove essentials by Tommy Igoe if i couldn't read. Even watching the videos with him explaining the grooves in detail, without the music sheet is almost worthless material. So to sum it up, for a drummer in the making, who isn't sure what his path will gonna be, i would say "learn to read, it takes some hours after all, and sooner or later you will find it usefull".....And i don't care if there are drummers reading music that sound terrible, since obviously knowing how to read is not a warranty of anything.
Good points presented here, Rob. I think that the greater your skill set, the more opportunities you can audition for. Another great reading package is Pat Petrillo's Learn To Read Rhythms Better.
Being able to read is beneficial but not the end of the world if one is clueless....drumming is endless so there is always a time and place to learn 😎
good video & discussion! always enjoy your down-to-earth, accessible approach to drumming. personally I'm self-taught and never even really thought about learning to read. I usually just learn parts by ear which is definitely possible with drums
although I imagine seeing everything on paper might work better for others. occasionally I prefer it - I joined a band a few months ago that already has completed songs, so I did make some notes while learning just to make sure I knew the structure and different drum parts
I applaud anyone who can read though - probably doesn't hurt to have all the available knowledge/tools at your disposal, but I don't think reading really aligns with my personal goals and style so it just hasn't been necessary
Rob I am fair at reading mostly got lost. A drummer to me reading was ok I needed more Street playing meaning in a band situation this was about 30 plus yrs ago. Only play with a couple of people short lived band.
I learned the "Classical" reading thing in school, now one thing that it did to me was stifle my creativity to some extent. I see the value in it, but I always question.....is this right or should I try this because conductors want you to play EXACTLY as written. I know lots of guys who can read and are creative, but sometimes I wonder if I'd do more things creatively if I felt free to do so. When I played country music a lot of times we would receive a chart which was very simple , but they expected that you understood the Nashville System and could read a simple chart.
Unless you are playing in a Pit situation doing a book show it is not necessary to play every single note on the page. When I see a fill suggestion, I usually do my own stuff ....not what is notated (which is usually pretty bad). If it is a book show you better play what is on the page until you are familiar with the show. Learning to read is not that difficult , if you can divide by 2 you can learn to read in no time. Like you said, it is a mystery until you just jump in and figure it out. It is much more difficult to read the English language . Which is what you just did. LOL
You certainly don’t need to read, but, reading can open you up to really cool stuff and it’s good for your brain
As a severely dyslexic self taught drummer playing rock/metal/hardcore I can’t see me working by anything other than by ear.
I also play guitar and bass and have been exclusively self taught and work only by ear rather than use sheet music/guitar tabs.
My whole approach to music has always been as simple as listen and learn.
Working with musicians that can’t just listen and work out their parts just feels like they aren’t engaged in the music or their instrument in the same way. Each to their own 🤷🏻♂️
A HUUUUUGE issue in a lot of churches, man. I hear you, though. I’d much rather play with musicians who can listen but can’t read than a bunch of great readers who can’t listen
I always think its a good idea to learn to read and write to share ideas easily. but reading while your playing a little conflicting for me. music is from the soul, not the paper.
Thanks for the input. I am not a good reader. Never have been. I learn better by hearing and watching. Great channel and I love your vids.
I think the feel of the music is more important than hitting every note for example; the drum machine. The machine can play the notes but without the feel of the music. jmo. With that said to be able to break the licks down and to be able to practice with books is great for learning and improving your technique.
That's one thing I can't stand about jazz players .Everything is all about technique and notes,They get so hung up on the technicality that they play with ZERO feel or emotion. They might be incredible technical players But man are they boring to watch or listen to. Just about all of them play the same, Drum kitsch sound the same ,The same dry / dark sounding cymbals etc....
My personal feeling on this subject just for me only is:Ive been playing drums for over 40 yrs now...not saying it wouldnt have helped but no I have no clue whatsoever how to read a piece of music....sometimes I wished I could (very rarely) but I havent really needed it , and that is NOT coming from a "snobby" standpoint either at all , I just simply suck at Math and do not understand it 1 iota....tried to learn 20 or so yrs ago and just couldnt get into it.....has it hurt me?? yeah maybe a little bit , but its not that big of deal , most people I play with also do not read anyway.....for me I have always "felt" music...may not always get it right away but I eventually do , another reason is , I dont really play that much anymore and really dont play "gigs" that much either soooo.....now having said all that if you are a young guy starting out today I would suggest it because its being used now more than ever in the top level fields (lower fields are for us "dummies" out there ..joke intended) on the other hand now that Im older (55) it would be kinda fun in a way to learn a different fundamental of the instrument....but hey who knows?? LOL!!! love your vids Rob....keep them coming,,,,
I can't read music, don't even know the chord names of 99% of the chords I know how to play. I think people like me have a natural ear for notes and can hear them well enough to replicate them well enough to recreate them on their instrument, that's how I teach myself, that's how I create originals too not just reproducing cover music. I was born with it, and I feel from conversations with others like me that a LOT of musicians like me have a born talent for hearing and creating music naturally
Good for you. You first learned to play then to read. Like little babies, they first learn to speak and after that to write and read. I Think it is the way to go. Changing subject... Heavy readers, and people that do all his/her playing through reading have intrinsic flaws too, for instance lack of musical memory or improvisational skills (I'm thinking musicians in general here, not specially drummers) So reading can be a pitfall if it is the only access to music for you.
Well said, man. Yes, I’ve often wished I were a better reader. But I’m also not sorry about having developed a freakish ear and ability to retain a ton of information purely because of the lack.
Ha...I think this was a smart way to motivate drummers to learn how to read music!!! Actually it is motivating. I have been playing drums for a long time starting in a polka band with my brothers when the accordion wasn't a very cool instrument. I remember being in high school and watching the school band play at an assembly and watching the drummer. I thought ...geez I can play better than him ...but then I noticed he had a music stand down beside his high hat. He was following along to the sheet music. At that moment I felt dumb. I knew I couldn't do what he was doing and my thoughts of being better went out the window. I kinda felt inferior after that to the "real" musicians who read music. I could never be as good as them. My nephew then comes along and in a matter of a few years learns to read and write and compose on the piano ..and ends up at Berkeley. He lives in Toronto and has already done some work on Broadway. Now that made me feel really dumb. How can he learn music theory and reading at that level so fast? Well ..you have given me some hope. You are a terrific drummer and have decided to hammer away at that skill. Inspiring to me. I just read a book by Carol Dweck called mindset. You are in the growth mindset ..I think I was stuck in a fixed mindset about my drumming. So there you go who wudda thunk you can learn all this on a youtube channel about drumming!!!! Thanks!!!
it’s probably worth your time/money to seek out an established/successful/professional private teacher/mentor in your area.
They can help one get on the right track as far as identifying weaknesses and figuring out what/how to practice...
Good luck!
It's not hard to read music! It's like a gift!
Yeah it is .Super freaking hard if you always learned by ear
Knowing how to read music is like knowing all the special math tricks. It helps your creative ability to write parts and is definitely important if you are into complex progressive music.
Definitely helpful if you’re in a Planet X tribute band 😏
I can sit down and figure something out if I have to but I could never sight read. That being said it would take me quite a while but reading is a skill I will keep plugging away at at my own pace. eventually I'd like to be able to sight read drum music. P.S. Was a shock to me that Buddy Rich couldn't read!
I’d like to get to that point, too. Just to have that skill. Might never even use it, but I’ll know I can if I need to. Plus the challenge is cool.
Street level know-how should at least include following a lead sheet, you know, count measures, follow repeats, hit that measure of 5/4 that's thrown in there, and so on. It helps you learn a tune even if you can't run it down cold the first time.
Hey Rob , I started playing around 14 years old in church and quit playing around 16 years old. I never learned to read music but I did learn to play the older church songs on my own. I'm 53 now and have recently started going to church regularly and being that we don't have a drummer, I decided to start playing again, well playing at it. I can keep a beat but these newer praise songs these days kinda throw me for a loop sometimes. Anyway, do you think it would be helpful for me to learn how to read music and I'm going to me a set of gretsch Catalina maple drums for my home and wanted to know if you have any thoughts on those drums. I know you are a Yamaha fan but maybe at one point in time you have run across a set of gretsch drums and could give a little praise or criticism on them, either way will not hurt my feelings.
Being familiar with reading/writing, I've been noticing, really helps with the prep process while lifting new music before rehearsals. Those occasional 'How did that groove go, again' 🤔 brain freeze moments kind of disappear. The Catalina drums are great. I'm actually a huge Gretsch fan. It's probably the only other company I'd happily endorse.
Thanks for the feedback. I guess it's time to buy some school books. Lol. Have a great day and God bless.
and to all those who ponder this question for themselves, I have a question. I don't ask this to belittle or insult anyone, but ask yourself:
Are you proud of not being able to read music?
If you would ever need it and can't do it then what. Drumistry is a nice channel for example which privides sheet music to play along
Before I watch this... I definitely should learn how to read music (or at least shorthand)... Because my memory sucks!!
well said Rob.
There's no good place to place a chart with a drum set anyway. Gives me headache looking left all the time. :-)
Reasonable argument. lol
Try going into a marching band drum music with out reading
Just so y'all know; Rob brown was wrong about saying Stevie Wonder can't read music notes but, it is not Rob's fault for not knowing that music notes are also written in braille, or maybe he knew...but it just so happen's that Stevie Wonder actually does know how to read music notes in braille, God Bless and peace
Thank you...so much for advices
I just saw this video and wondered about your progress. Are you a reading savant now?
Hey Rob, I'm looking for some help as where to start learning to read music? Any books, videos, etc. that you have used or currently using to help you with your reading? I was self taught, 3rd generation drummer with no schooling. I don't read music but never let that hold me back. I've been fortunate enough to be able to be a full time musician with a touring band, and also fill in gigs for local, regional, and national artists/bands, as well as do session work. I've learned to make and read Nashville Number Charts and can get me through almost any gig/session I get called for. But I'm really wanting to begin learning how to read music. Thanks! Love the videos! Keep em coming!
Syncopation is fantastic. Lots of simple single line repetitive rhythms in there that’ll help you get familiar with reading lines. If you have an iPhone, get that Rhythm Sight Reading Trainer app. 20-30 minutes a night with that for a few weeks and you’ll be reading lead sheets in no time.
Can anyone tell me I just started reading again after 20odd years of playing drums and I did learn the basics and now want to learn big time..I need to know how long would it take to be able to read a drum chart fluently 1,3,5yrs? I have given myself a yr practising an hr a night
Hi Rob, I’m a professional drummer and I’ve been teaching privately for years in Pakistan, how Important is it for me be able to read music as a teacher if i was from your side of the world? Because no one (at least drummers) they don’t read charts/notations here..! 🙏🏼❤️ also been following you for years big fan
A super basic understanding of reading is helpful and will get you thru most ‘real world’ charts. Sight reading is a great skill to have, but not necessary for most work you’ll get as a regular working drummer, unless you get into the theatre or jazz ensemble scenes or the cruise ship circuit. Got plenty of friends touring with big national acts. No reading required.
@@RobBeatdownBrown thanks so much for your response ❤️🙏🏼
Bangers usually only stick with one band or one type of music
That Stevie Wonder example was f’d up lmfao
I snickered when I shouldn't have. Lord forgive me. lol
Two Herons he does read...
Did you know music notes are also in braille, but Stevie Wonder happens to be unable to read braille.
Scratch that, I just found out Kvvv Mooo was right Stevie Wonder can read, Including notes in braille
You don't need to use such a lousy language here. Rob is a humbled honest man!! .......
I've played for a long time and would like to learn to read...Where should I start? do you have any recommendations?
Can't read .For me ,It would be like learning to play all over again after twenty plus years .I've heard guys talk about quarter notes, sixteenths etc. ,I don't make any sense out of it unless I hear what it sounds like .