Why LEGO Control+ is so controversial
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- Despite getting LEGO Technic sets with Control+ for three years, it still remains quite controversial to this day. Many still prefer lego power functions, and don't want to use powered up. The LEGO Technic powered up motors themselves, are also quite overpriced.
0:00 Intro
0:30 Problematic Release
3:56 App Requirement
6:07 Overpriced Electronics
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It is not only the bad first impression, but also the lack of B-model. For me, the MOST enjoyable technic sets were those which they did not have power function but you could incorporate in them. First you enjoy playing all the functions manually then you double your enjoyment by adding power function. Good old days!
I have lots of older sets where I added Power functions afterwards, you are correct this was a far better experience and made for much more playable sets.
I prefer no b model, I have never once made a b model and without I find they put more effort into the a model
@@markfoley4247 dont think so
They just creatively struggled on the design of the b model only using few pieces found in the a model
@@jonathandemiguel1458 Correct, just look at what MOC builders come up with for B/C/D/E models
Agreed
I was not impressed when Lego announced powered up. They should have just updated power functions.
Yes
ya i invested 200+ dollars into power functions but couldn't get my hands on the servo motor before the stopped making it and i dont have the money to buy legos new cash grab electronic system
So true
I have to say I love it! I've just been playing with the motors from 42100 (got it 2nd hand for £250 and it's never even been opened as all the bits are bagged!) and the control with PoweredUp app now is great, there's also BrickControler2 if you want to use a PS4 controller, sadly working around obsolete apps and hardware are just a fact of life now, there's no practical alternative due to apps being "Free", the variable speed control on the motors with the app/controller and also the programmability is just next level and nothing like previous technics, there will be enough "old" working smartphones with compatible bluetooth and APK files downloadable for decades. As for "screen time" parents need to get with the times, school is almost entirely screen, life, work etc, it's a skill kids need, if Technics helps them to code then all the better.
I played with lego a lot in the 90s with sets like 8082 Multi Control Set which was as "remote control" as I got, I definitely made a lot of my own creations that drove along, but only ever in a straight line really, because there was no good remote control options at least with the budget I was getting gifs on. Powered Up has already given me way more fun having fine control over motor speed and turning/skid steering custom builds!
Also on Cost and Power Functions, everything has gotten more expensive, sure £40 is a bit of a jump but you're comparing an end of life cost to a new cost as well & development costs etc. Also my experience of power functions wasn't great, the 42009 Crane 10x10 only had one motor and was really rather under powered, I've not finished 42100 but having that many more motors and less complicated powertrain can only be good thing!
I want power functions back :(
@@gustavbreitbartnielsenasf1124 but s brick doesn't have motors with rotation sensor feedback
Me too
@@Unbrickme yes, this is the ONLY advantage of powered up, other than that, power functions with all compatible and third-party products is better
I think it is quiet clear that many of us do, most of the comments prefer Power Functions.
I too much prefer Power Functions, I have bought just one set with the new Powered Up and don't plan on buying anymore with it. Sadly I'm not sure Lego will listen to its fans.
YES , I prefer power functions back too.
i just hate the fact that it replaced power functions. Now we have to go out and buy all this new expensive stuff when we already had perfectly good power functions right there.
I’ve been hesitant to purchase any sets with the newer powered up bricks and motors. I have so many power functions that the newer system seems repetitive without any discernible upgrade. Between the power functions motors and battery boxes and the NXT line of mindstorms, it’s hard to justify buying a lot of the new sets that have them.
The dealbreaker for me is having to buy an entirely new overpriced set of motors and hubs that aren't cross-compatible and are in many ways worse.
i agree. having the old NXT is okay because modern MS windows can run programs that are 2 decade old with no issue, unlike smartphones which cant run a 6 year old app
I think you totally got the point! When someone ask me "Why don't you like Control+?" I will send them this video!
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Thank you so much I really appreciate it
I don't want to use my phone! I want a controller!
Get a blje tooth xbox 1 controller paured to your phone
Powered Up has a controller
@@wihanjooste7469 to your phone. lol. WE DONT WANT TO USE PHONES AT ALL
I’ve decided Power Functions is going to be what I stick with when it comes to Lego-brand motors and power banks.
Power Functions are considerably cheaper than Powered Up as well. I may not be into the multi-motored builds, but even converting an older train to Powered Up is around $100 a train, even at usual retail prices when I was last at a Lego store.
Plus, you can find a lot of cheap Chinese copy with very similar quality if not better.
One of LEGO's biggest problems is that they always think short term with their products, and often forget about about the long-term consequences of using App-based technology. Seriously, most of the apps they have put out since around 2012 (when they first started releasing Apps) are virtually unplayable at this point.
This is one of my major issues too. I plan to pass on my sets later in life, but will they still work if using these apps? Probably not. I don't think apps and smart devices have a place in Lego, it is not what Lego should be about.
@@totallyaddicted2bricks989 Toally agree here, the reason Lego is popular is it offers something different to the world of videogames and smartphones we find ourselves in. We want physical controllers with buttons and feedback that will work so long as there are batteries in the world.
It tends to feel more childish, less professional than the Power Functions it replaced. Also, it is much harder to overpower it with higher voltages, as well as modify the motors to perform better
I still have my Technic from back in the '80s, pop some batteries in and it still works. How usable will Control+ be in 30 years?
Control+ does have some cool features, but it is indeed too limited in many ways and way overpriced.
Personally, the biggest problem for me with Power Up is the native requirement to use a smartphone as a remote. This is frankly the last thing I want to do when I'm playing LEGO. They can't create a four channel remote by combining the functionality of the Infrared Remote Control and the Infrared Speed Remote Control.
I just simply cant get my hands on even the cheapest C+ set because lego sets are just stupidly expensive. Not the brands fault tho, it just feels like a waste of money for me compared to what I get.
how is it not the brand's fault? they sell little plastic pieces that cost almost nothing to produce and sell them like it's pure gold ^^
@@dowesschule Thats a different story, but what I was trying to say is, I was able to get a similarly priced set for half the money 4 years ago, it is about the local currency, not the sets price in dollars/euros. It is a little hard to explain but I hope you get the point.
Powered Up has only 2 advantages over Power Functions. 1: Bluetooth. 2: Rotation Sensors.
In every other Aspect, Power Functions are superior.
- Powered Up Motors are longer, they take more space
- Powered Up has only 2 available motors left: The angular motor and the L motor (the M-motor as well as the XL motor is discontinued- latter because it was just bigger then the L motor while not being more torquey or faster, it was basically a miscalculated design)
- Powered Up has only 4 ports and the ports can't be stacked
- Powered Up has no remote controller
- Powered up STILL uses Batteries (1980's standard..?!)
Now bring a Buwizz or even a CAD/Mould King Battery box to the table: PF in combination with an Buwizz has all the advantages: More Power, stackable ports, many motors for different needs, reloadable battery pack etc. With a Mould King battery box you also have a remote control with accurate, linear controllable joysticks. So the one thing that remains is the build in rotation sensors. Let's just say, they are useful when building a robot or production machine etc. but for these applications they are not accurate enough and they always need calibration when turned on. The are unnecessary for vehicles- the PF servo is simpler and does a reliable job.
I've said it many times and I say it again: Power Functions is superior to Control + and it will always be.
Yes, 'Powered up' is very frustrating & I hate it. I have spent over 12 hours venting my frustrations on this subject with LEGO.
* batteries only, unlike 9 volt trains of the past
* no direct connection to older systems
* overly expensive
* no simple switches
* no extension wires
* have to use a smart device
For me as a MOC designer I wished they only upgraded the PowerFunctions system with extras like a motion or distance detector etc. and replace the unreliable IR-Receivers with something like the S-Brick.
When I heard the new motors have even less power than the PF motors my decision not to support this shit was fix.
Control plus seems really overpriced, not to mention that several sets with it will be discontinued. I don't understand why lego can't release something like buwizz either.
@@gustavbreitbartnielsenasf1124 but they had the buggy motors in the past
The hubs that used controle + app can connect with the buwizz app.
Read it somewhere bud not sure where.
I don't like that high price of control+ sets as well as they need to have smartphone for work. I would be happy if Lego was making power functions versions of sets as well as control+ (both with same price) , like You would choose which You like more
i like hard controls, touchscreen interfaces are clumsy. the ultimate system would let you build your own controller, out of lego, and to your specifications. i imagine lego bricks (containing: thumbstick, trackball, encoder, potentiometer, switch, button, etc), along with output bricks like rgb leds, vibration and sound bricks. everything would plug into a transmitter brick which would include the radio and a small oled screen with some small buttons for configuring mappings (like you would find on a mid tier hobby rc radio) and a battery box. this would go with a receiver unit at the other end that interfaces the motors and sensors. high throughput radios are somewhat cheap now, so the possibility of sending video back exists. that is the ultimate lego rc solution (possibly also cover robotics as well with a cheap arm micro in the receiver unit that runs a programmable vm).
The price is the main reason why I don't like Control+.
People are selling Power Functions motors for double their original price on Bricklink, but they're still way cheaper than Control+.
1 - It's expensive. 2 - you need a phone. I really hope Lego will change this system. At least in our Lego store, Control+ is selling badly, and when I buy Lego, I want to pay for Lego and not for some Bl. devices.
Works Buwizz or Sbrick without phone?
@@thomasl.4081 no, they work only with a phone(
@@adrianprepelita8683 however, you can use a BT controller. You still need a phone, but you have the option to use a physical controller
I think it was a bad move by LEGO to discontinue the power functions, especially when the powered up product line is unfinished and severely lacking in ability to meet the customers demands.
Plug and play is essential for most people, particularly people like me who make MOCs that need the manual controls. The app is just too complicated and unsupported for me to fathom what’s going on.
It would be amazing if someone created an adapter that plugged into the PU hub and had a PF connector on top. People could use their old motors with a new hub that they can control from their phone
they did pv-productions.com/product/powered-up-to-power-functions-adapter/
Can you cover the new parts we are seeing in technic sets? It always gets me excited with what we could do in mocs with new parts
hello unbrickme, really enjoying your videos. Super informative and fun to watch! I was wondering where you could get the visuals of the inside mechanisms of the motors (like the one you shown at 2:10 of the video)? Thanks!
I have one control+ set, the RC buggy. Requiring a smart device is definitely the reason I hate control+. The buggy controls like garbage with touchscreen controls and using a 3rd party app with a PS4 controller drains my phone battery. I much prefer driving my old PF tracked racer even if the performance is much worse.
but why would I buy the new system if its not compatible to my old stuff, it costs more and isnt better in any way.
Use an sbrick. it does the same as C+ but better lol. And stackable outputs!
@@gustavbreitbartnielsenasf1124 but even with s brick you still don't have the new motors with the rotation sensors
Buy an adapter
@@ItsHonski he just said that there are no adaptors
Two years later…. Power functions is still superior. Mould kings iteration is now better than any options from lego.
I do alot of kinetic mocs at shows. Power functions, 9v, RC and NXT are all systems I use because all of these systems can work together. I can't find any value in the Powered Up system for what I like to build. I'll look at getting into Powered Up when and if they develop some backwards compatibility and cost reductions.
Hi! Which 3 largest lego technics should i buy first? 42055 vs 42100 vs 42082?
At 2:55, I had a feeling of Total Recall to get my ass to Mars! LOL
You let me know which sets are better to get and helped me with which sets are up coming
I'm glad my videos helped you
The new PoweredUp stuff is good for me for one reason: the Bluetooth is needed for running trains on my Lego train layout. Infrared just doesn't work - it doesn't cover the distance, and is blocked by buildings, scenery, etc. What I most want for PoweredUp is a rechargeable train battery box/controller. Having to disassemble a locomotive, remove the battery box, open it up, and replace the batteries (I use NimH rechargeables) is quite awkward. The lack of a way to dual power a locomotive is also an issue. I did the wire-flip trick on a PF engine, and so made it have a pair of powered bogies. With my custom lightweight trains cars, it will actually pull 20 cars on level track. As for the "App Controlled" stuff, I agree with your comments there. My smartphone is quite old (and I will be keeping it as long as possible), and I haven't even bothered to try their app. I will be very very upset if they stop making the train controllers - much better than the horrible knobs on the PF one. And yes, I have a spare, as well as the 3 for my 3 locomotives. (My layout is a very oddball mix - 9V, PF and PoweredUp.)
I didn't really like power functions back then, as older lego racers sets already had better motors and more range (not like 2m with ir receiver), but power functions were compatible with that and also much cheaper, smaller and easier to fit in models, not to mention compatible with the old models and non lego options like sbrick and buwizz, which made them really practical. I really don't understand why they created powered up in the first place, motors and receiver are bigger and bulkier for the same performance, several times more expensive and aren't compatible with any electronics lego has created up to date. I have a few pf motors myself and if I ever need a replacement motor or an additional one I can't get it form lego, as they discontinued them and I can't get the new ones either because they aren't compatible. Not to mention that for the price of the powered up receiver and two motors that are no better than pf large I can pretty much get a buwizz power budle with the unit and 2 buwizz motors, that are much more powerful, more compact, compatible with my old motors and allow me to build actually functional lego rc veichles. Powered up is a huge fail in my opinion, lego should really reconsider the decition to discontinue power functions, although that is likely never going to happen...
Great points! Very informative vid about the different powered LEGO products.
3 words: no backward compatibility
I can see that the RCX cables are stacking cables. 5:58. Very similar to power functions. And also, before there was LEGO Wedo 2.0, there was a LEGO Wedo 1.0. The LEGO Wedo 1.0 has power function motor and even power function sensors.
I remember wedo 2.0, great system!
Is there away to create control interfaces in a regular programming language like Java or Python and type the code by hand instead of dragging and dropping blocks?
I just wish that LEGO would continue making remotes for the PoweredUp sets, like in the LEGO City trains.
You can easily make one yourself, better than any LEGO remote ever made. Simplest is by programming a 20€ HUB as remote. You can tilt it in two directions for analog control of 2 motors, for example a front back tilt for speed, and a left/right tilt for steering. If you hang it in a frame and add a "joystick", it can also do auto-return. Both things, analog control and spring return have never been implemented in a LEGO offering.
A few months ago I got a bunch of motors, vintage 2 ways remote controller and some receivers, I didn't immediately identify them, and discovered it was Sbricks receivers. After looking at how to use them, I find it way easier to use than the new Lego powered up sets. It's fully modular, programmable, can use the app or pair a gaming controller directly. And finally, it can be used with standards motors, you dont have throw away your old motors and can even buy some new cheaper.
That is exactly my fear with app controlled things. The number of things that now don’t work because the is no longer supported because technology have moved on.
The fact that you have to use your phone instead of regular controller make it feel less like a an RC
Thank you I was waiting for these kind of videos I like these kind of videos and your analysis videos but I watch all video you upload:) now I am not bored
thank you very much I really appreciate your support
I got a control+ set for Christmas (The giant excavator) and i have tried to make large machines with them but they are simply completely to underpowered and just cut out when there is too much torque while with power functions the motors power through it and just get the job done
I would have bought motorized sets if there was a physical remote controller with buttons and joysticks and not an app with controls on a touch screen.
I agree with the arguments discussed in the video.
Please tell me how you got two control sticks in the buggy Control+ App? 3:56 Is there gonna be update or something?
The update happened fairly recently. Make sure to update your control+ app and then there will be a switch. If you toggle the switch in the interface, all the sound buttons will be replaced with a second control stick
@@Unbrickme Thank You for the answer! Probably update on android is yet to come because last update is from 3 march 2021.
Can You make a video of wich sets to buy?
At first, the only time I heard about PoweredUp was with the LEGO City trains. Then I heard about Unbrickme and learned more about PoweredUp.
At first, I wasn’t disappointed nor impressed. Why? My parents would never let me get PoweredUp sets because of how big and expensive those sets were.
Well now, I see why they didn’t buy them.
I like PU mostly because the new motors have far more attachment points than the PF motors. The app really could do with some documentation/instructions because the programming symbols are pretty arcane for a first-time user, overall it's not bad. Biggest benefit for me is being able to map a slider onto a range of positions on a motor for things like steering, but there seems to be more of a delay on those controls than for regular speed controls?
For Christmas of 2020, I got my first power functions L motor and triple A battery box and in 2021 I got my first I.R receiver and remote control. Overall, you could either have either 1 powered up motor or a power functions L motor + a battery box and a remote control, plus you can add as many motors as you want with power functions. Power functions is a much better value.
Apps always end support after a few short years, if that long. Lego is a lifetime product, and if you are tied to any sort of software, the functionality will cease. Hard remotes ONLY!
new to Technic and I like it.. PoweredUp for coding and BrickController2 for Dualshock connectivity but i dont like Control+, whole ecosystem needs "native" physical controller which acts as PoweredUp inputs (same as widgets) as C+ alternative.. EDIT. I like C+ APP for sets like Liebherr or Volvo Hauler.. anyway best would be to get physical controller for driving and use display for other stuff like gauges and controlling excavator arms etc..
I know that the PF battery boxes were considered bulky, but the powered up battery boxes are bigger and wider. This makes putting a powered up system in to something like a lego train almost impossible. I prefer to use a physical controller over my smartphone but powered up may never have one. That's why I'm sticking to my old PF system for as long as they work.
Last week I finally bought the Liebherr 42100 for 280 euro. So that's 2 hubs, 3x XL motor and 4x L motor (and 4000 pieces) so that's pretty OK. I also had to buy a bunch of rechargeable batteries so I have bought 28x AA batteries from IKEA hahaha. They should be almost as good as the Eneloops and only 6 euro for 4 pieces.
I don't even want to build the Liebherr haha
Mom: get off your screen
You: stare at your control plus car with a sad face
yes I hate control plus. I prefer power function
PoweredUp for trains is in any case a good development. So you can control your trains (on the same track) independently. What is still missing is a battery pack for quick replacement.
I just use PF. The non-Lego motors and servos are plentiful, not expensive, and have RF, IR, and BT connectivity. Also, they are easy to hack, bypass the Lego controller, and just use another microcontroller, like Arduino or ESP32.. Customization is easy and can incorporate Wi-Fi connectivity, different power sources, cameras, and endless possibilities for sensors and other functionality.
Phone/tablet makes sense for Boost and Mindstorms because you expect to learn some coding and you are not mainly using the device as manual remote control. For RC models it makes no sense because you do not want to mainly program with RC model. When you see remotely controlled devices like cranes or big industrial lawn mowers they do not use app but they have large remote controls. Make modular remotes with switches and buttons and it will be much more fun then the app. And yes I have to agree that it goes exactly against the screen time reduction.
Bluetooth is clearly better than IR by a LOT... and I like being able to code my own commands. I can make my offroader crawl at set speeds by "setting the throttle" and that is awesome.
I agree! Being able to customize the controller in powered up is awesome!
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Control+, Boost, Wedo, Spike Prime, and Mindstorms RI are all part of the Powered UP family.
This level of compatibility with Mindstorms has been absent since the RCX was retired for NXT.
Currently, there are a few critical components that are absent from the system:
A good rechargeable battery component for the Technic Hub 88012 and Battery Box 88015 that can be tethered like the Mindstorms RI Hub;
Proper availability of the simple battery box (88015);
Integration of BT remotes (this could be just a firmware update on the HUB);
Certainly there are others, but these are issues that presently prevent me from using Powered UP in my projects.
In my mind, griping about the unavailability of obsolete products is a pretty sideways way of addressing the current issues.
I would like a good discussion on where things may be going and what should change or improve.
Also, how can you declare a controversy without discussing the advantages and future potentials of the Powered UP system?
I want to start protesting the recontinuation of power functions with a programable modual
I think that splitters with the same plug would be pretty complicated to understand for non-technical people. I guess that lego's solution is to use more hubs.
But now that pybricks supports the lego powered up remote, the control+ models can be remote controlled directly. A smartphone or pc is only required once for the initial installation of the program.
YEP
I hate lego Powered up. It was possible to connect Ev3 with lego PF just by destroying two extension cables. But since lego does not make lego Powered up extension cables it is so expensive so it is impossible. Why they don't make a program to connect Ev3 with powered up with Bluetooth? Because people would not be forced to buy the new and expensive system.
I didn't found real answer on the internet so I'm asking here :
Did anyone had problems with shutting down motors when using a certain brand of battery inside control + or power function battery boxes.
My old sets (8049 excavator and the offroad 4x4 from 2012) have perfectly working motors but whenever I try to run them the motors start to struggle then stop. I can't say whether I builded the sets in a wrong way or if I just need better batteries.
Problem solved : on the 4 battery box I own 2 appear to be deficient and it was the 2 I used on my models. At least the redt woeks perfectly fine
Please do a Rarest Colours video. Like rare colours that appeared once and rare pieces with that colour. That would be awesome
Unbrickme when are you going to try Pybricks?
PU is much better for compact models like Chevy Corvette or McLaren Senna. It also has a huge advantage since any motor can work as a servo. PF is better for big models like Zetros or the Volvo hauler because it's XL motors have a hugeamount of torque. If you need a faster model - use RCbrick or Buwizz with PF servo and 9V buggy motors
i bought a bunch in the beginning. like the liebherr and crawler and some other stuff. now 8 of 11 motors is bad and dont work as it should and i have a 2 year long discussion with Lego support that i just got frustradet over so i stopped responding because it gave no help or anything good in return
Sorry to hear that
Another problem is that the power up totally replaced power functions so now they aren't aviable :(
For me it's mostly the price and lack of physical controller. I have a buggy, some trains and latest mindstorms and I cannot understand why the buggy's hub cannot be controlled by Powered Up Pilot. It's bluetooth. I don't understand why LEGO cannot release mode where a HUB or Mindstorms cannot be controlled directly by Xbox or PS controller. Third party software seems to be able to do this. I still believe lego engineers will be able to release a simple app in which you could select Pilot's port and pair it into Hub's port and define directions and mode of operation. This could be as easy as selecting one of two or three modes like: stepping acceleration (like for trains), full on (like for old PF remotes). perhaps steering mode (if it needs to differ). It seems simple and yet very reasonable. But for some reason I doubt that LEGO wants to do it. Perhaps they have some limited hardware capabilities because of some wrong decisions from the past, perhaps their software team is too small. I don't know, but it looks bad, when you think of alternatives.
For all the reasons you mention I really dislike the new powered up. The only set I have purchased so far that uses it is the is 6 x 6 Volvo Hauler and that was purely because I wanted it to display with my L350F Volvo Wheel Loader, I have no plans to by any other powered up sets. Another awesome video!
Thank you very much! Honestly I love the 6x6 Volvo articulated hauler! It is the first one ever to have a remotely controlled and motorized speed transmission gearbox! Wow!!!
@@Unbrickme the motorised speed transmission gearbox did make me glad I had bought this set, certainly something new in Lego for me and it is what technic should be about. The set looks great too, especially with my L350F Wheel Loader.
Have to say though I still prefer the simplicity of the Power Functions used on the L350 Wheel Loader, like you said the Powered Up stuff is massively overpriced, and the main reason for me is I hate having to use an app on a smart device. I firmly believe apps and smart devices have no place when building and playing with Lego, that is not what lego is about. Lego should be taking people away from that stuff.
Thankfully my favourite looking set of this year, the Heavy Duty Tow Truck, has no Powered Up in sight. I do love Pneumatics though, so I can't wait for this set 🙂
It is true that without the app even the wells don’t turn?
@@adrianprepelita8683 Yeah, the reliance on an app to make Lego set works concerns me because I intend to keep this stuff and pass on to someone else after me. Apps and smart devices should not be a part of Lego, Lego should be a getaway from that stuff.
I like your reviews. Very informative 🤗
Glad you like them!
A very interesting and informativ video! I really enjoy watching your content :)
thanks! I appreciate it!
The fact that you need an app alone is enough to discourage me from getting this.
That's also why I think the new Mindstorms stinks compared to EV3.
Not sure why that makes the new mindstorms worse. Every generation of mindstorms required a computer to use it
I think the biggest issue is that this whole system is not only costs more than just the actual hobby grade rc equipments, but also much worse in every aspects. If you own a 3d printer, you can very much make adaptable parts to install actual rc servo, esc, receiver and motor into your sets, that not only costs less but giving you a better experience.
They should actually sell BOTH Power Functions and Powered Up! Power Functions being the BASIC one, the Powered Up MID-RANGE, and the Mindstorms HIGH-END!!
It's an interesting system. As someone who's studied Electrical Engineering and observed Powered Up for the last three years, I can strangely appreciate the development and technical intricacy that makes Powered Up so cool, but also wonder how necessary/unnecessary some things are with the system. There are so many factors I've observed that make Powered Up a more capable system, yet a more complex and expensive one to use.
As for adapter cables, it's not impossible, but it's also not a simple "solder the right wires together" kind of thing. Powered Up has a communication protocol between the hub and devices plugged into it so that the hub knows whether it's a motor, a sensor, light, etc. None of the previous LEGO electrical systems have a way of telling Powered Up what it is, so Powered Up can't determine how to treat it.
One of the biggest issues for me is the lack of stacking.
Especially with BuWizz, you got 4 PF ports, and all of them can handle multiple things at once, while C+ is one port, one motor/sensor/whatever.
Other issues like lack of physical RF controls, and having a buttload of PF parts only for them to become useless were mentioned by other commenters.
A PF upgrade that simply added a pure data line and still was compatible with "old" PF would have been much, much better.
I'm really annoyed that the controller only has 1 speed for the large motor. So I have to run my Crocodile locomotive with the app which i'm not a fan of.
Luckily i have a few rechargable battery PF boxes for my custom trains.
I'd rather the motors are made optional like LEGO did in the PF era and before; not every set needs to be motorized by default, and most of the functions can be done manually.
By burying the motor components inside the sets with no disassembly in mind LEGO is discouraging part reuse and forcing the consumer to bear the unnecessary cost.
If a system brick made today can work with the one from 50 years ago, then modern Technic sets should have the ability to work with different motors from earlier generations.
Technic collectors 50 years in the future will be scratching their heads like: What is this control+ thing? What is an App, What is a phone? What am I going to do with this useless heap of plastic that can't move?
I wish we got more sets with a basic battery box, one motor, and one gearbox to control all the functions
I only this morning found out that the powered up Large motor also has absolute positioning, just like the spike/51515 motors. It's not marked with a dot, but connected to the hub and setting motor position to 0, it always goes to the same spot. That's probably why it's so expensive compared to the power functions motors
I think having an internal rotation sensor is what makes it so expensive; not just having absolute positioning. Absolute positioning shouldn’t require too much on top of the internal rotation sensor
I hate playing with Lego using a smartphone. It is so sad for me that Lego forces us to do it. I really enjoyed the system used in mindstorms EV3 in which you could use your phone or a ir controller to play
The same with the mario sets , like the sets i have (3 sets) bud dont buy more of them.
I hate building instructions from a screen.
@@stefan-ox8qs building from a phone is fine for me but playing with a smartphone is horrible
I was very unimpressed with the WeDo or whatever it's called. Went to a Lego Club with my kids and everything was through that stupid app... the bluetooth issues are boring and shouldn't have anything to do with Lego. I bought the robot system like 2 years ago for my kids, they never play with it. Moreover, every technic set which is app controlled ends up failing. This app garbage needs to stop. I want buttons and dedicated control systems.
Something about this feels like a microcosm of the current age of electronics in general. Nobody ever prioritizes robustness or accessibility in anything they create.
How can this be more accesible. Lego C+ is the easiest to snap together and do quick prootyping, it has the best documented API ever, and you can write custom firmware and program with at least 4 non LEGO environments. It has never been more accesible, and it will be for 20-30 years to come.
@@lovemadeinjapan You.... You watched the video, right? The whole point of this video, at least what I gathered from it, is that C+ isn't accessible because it's expensive and requires an app...
@@GarryDumblowski I did watch it, it is not expensive, 20€ for a programmable hub is peanuts compared to 200€ for a Spike Hube, and the nice thing is you can do without the crappy LEGO apps very easily because LEGO has made the whole software side open source AND open access. People who talk like this about C+ have NO CLUE. So it is false information for most part.
@@lovemadeinjapan ...On second thought, I can sort of see where you're coming from. I still feel like LEGO as a whole is too expensive, so I guess this is less of a problem with C+ and more of a problem with LEGO in general.
As a parent I hear you, but here’s an idea, could a hardware controller be used with a phone? Or I guess a raspberry pi, and the builder hat and finally a controller
*For a physical controller use the app Brickcontroller2 to connect a playstation controller to your hub.* And you can also control the hubs and motors with the Buwizz app. and smaprtphone.
But you need to use your smartphone and have it connected at all times while you’re controlling the lego set
Vidio idea:what are the top 10 best lego technic sets vith power functions
awesome idea
I think that they really didnt need to abandon power functions. The only real issues were hard to find recharbeable battery boxes and bad cables (which can both be easily fixed).
I still have 5x RCX 1.0 and 1.5 With my old white MacBook Core Duo I can still program them. This hub will be useless in ten years, because there will be no old phones, no APP store and no virtual machines that can emulate your phone and the APP. The industry wants your stuff to die and fast. Economic growth will kill us all in 2060..80.
Yeah, every company is on the same path, planned obsolesence, and at the same time they are greenwashing.
I am broke
I can't replace my existing buwizz brick nor my entire motor collection just cuz LEGO left behind a decent albeit aging system behind
Power functions feels more intuitive too, like you can easily make a rudimentary RC vehicle if given a box of the required parts some wheels axles & random odds & ends
Idk... PF just _works_
I personally hate how expensive the Control + sets are. Seriously, the cheapest ones are like 700 zł! That's so much money I could but a
a quarter of a very old car for it.
Also, give us a rechargeable battery pack in EVERY set, people don't want to spend so much on single use batteries
App: BrickControler2.
Compatible con; Lego Power Control+, Buwizz, SBrick.
Usa los stick's analógicos del GamePad para conducir y controlar tus Lego MOC.
Yeah, I hate using an App to operate sets. I prefer the controller.
They totally ditched the Commander app for the EV3, basically bricking the entire system, it's only a matter of time before they destroy the PU system too. Lego fans need to campaign for hardware controllers. After having my first Mindstorms EV3 for my birthday yesterday totally bricked because there's no control app to run it, it's left a very bad taste in my mouth.
I still have that Batmobile, I had the very disappointing top gear car and I have had the extreme off road truck, I still believe that it is a mistake to cancel Power Functions, in my view it takes away the creativity of Lego. The PU hub is massive compared to the train PF/PU hub which is going to limit the building of things, not everybody has a large stock of Lego.
Also the PF stuff was available in a kit much like the previous Technic 9v motors etc.
I’ve stoped buying New lego now.
They could've just added a PF brick like the IR receiver but for Bluetooth
Requires Latest Phone, Requires Latest App, Requires Wi- Fi for Download,Requires a lot of Patience to drive the rally car for example…
Where do you get power functions for $7
I tried it a few times with different sets and own custom control programming. I don't like it and I won't give it any other chance. I stuck with Power Functions, it is much better to make MOCs and control them.