A4s return to North America May 2014 Part 1 Dominion of Canada
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Two LNER A4 steam locomotives went from the US & Canada to York, England to celebrate Mallard's world steam record. In May 2014 they returned on an ACL RoRo container ship to Halifax. Moveright International, ACL and Ceres all donated their services.
Part 1 shows the transfer of Dominion of Canada to the two flat cars for the journey to Montreal.
Many thanks to Ceres for allowing me to video this move.
Yes, great video David, I was there for the great gathering, so it's nice to see the journey back to their home museums. Many thanks for your time and effort to share this. I look forward to see more.
Thank you.
Nice production David. You caught the highlights too! This is very tricky work and I think these fellows did a great job-and to be commended for doing it on their own time!
Steam locomotives will always be loved. Thank you for sharing this great video.
+Sol Carter Thank you Sol. It was great to have the opportunity to watch the operation and meet the people involved. A very friendly bunch.
Although unlikely,it would be nice seeing Dwight and Dominion steam up again
Great video. It was nice of them to let you video this. Glad it was documented for postarity
Glad you enjoyed it.
I will make a video of Dwight D Eisenhower soon and I hope to get video of the locomotives leaving Halifax on the flat cars.
Wonderful video. Thank you for posting.
Thank you for your comments. Glad you enjoyed the video, Have a look at the others showing the A4s going to Great Britain.
I'm honestly surprised the departures and arrivals of these LNER workhorses didn't gather as much attention as one would think they would.
Because it's in the USA probably and noone there gives a toss about British steam locos. Drape a stars and stripes over the front and you'd have every yank from Texas to New Jersey there recording it on their their smartphone.
Mainly because you need permission to enter the harbor
great video
+BRIAN QUINTONFLYER Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.
I had the joy of seeing all 6 A4's at 'The Great Gathering' at the NRM. All the A4's are 3 cylinder locos and all should have 6 steam cylinder drain pipes, one front and rear for each cylinder. If you look closely at Dominion of Canada, she only has 4 drain pipes - they forgot to attach the 2 pipes from the front and rear of the middle cylinder!
+Christopher Brockbank Well spotted! I didn't realize that each cylinder had separate piping.
+David Othen
Yes, each cylinder on a steam loco has a steam exit pipe at each end of each cylinder to assist drainage when the cylinder is cold and the steam condenses to water.
I was surprised that no-one I spoke to at 'The Gathering' spotted the error with Dom. of Canada. All the other 5 locos had 6 pipes each! I suppose that because she can't be steamed it didn't matter that pipes were missing?
+Christopher Brockbank I realize that each cyliner needs a drain pipe to remove condensate but perhaps there isa T junction out of sight.
+David Othen
Almost right, David. Please remember, each cylinder receives steam either side of the piston, hence the need to drain each end of each cylinder. I attach a link to Union of South Africa - www.docbrown.info/docspics/ArchiveSteam/loco60009.htm - you can clearly see in the first 2 pictures, on close scrutiny, drain pipes from each end of the outer cylinder, and one further pipe from one end of the middle cylinder, mirrored on the other side - hence 6 drain pipes in all.
+Christopher Brockbank Thanks for the reminder.
I hope channel 5 do a another Titanic train trek part two to show them back in the US and Canada
No there is no professional video coverage of the return of the locomotives so you will have to make do with my amateur footage!!!
That's fine
Both of them need to return back the UK where they were designed built and ran they just do them so wrong and even I’m American and I got to say this but I love the A4s
No, they're fine in the US and Canada!
I couldn't agree more there. The A4s have no place in the USA or Canada they were built in Britain and should stay there, they are part of Britain's heritage (or what's left of it).
How did they get to Liverpool docks from shildon
7:29 Man squatting by the flatbed had some crack on him.
*I A M N O T S O R R Y*
Thats one way to kill a shunt truck
thank you for sharing david and has the Dwight D Eisenhower loco arrived with the Dominion of Canada also?
Yes the two locomotives and their tenders all arrived together on the ACL boat. The locomotives will probably leave together when the US customs paperwork is eventually sorted out.
David Othen ok awesome and did you video tape the Dwight d Eisenhower yet after this video
LappLocomotion2
Yes I have the raw footage but it will be a while before I can edit it and put it up on youtube.
ok David Othen sounds good
In 2019 mallard is going to visit the USA and it will travel Tom national park Florida to northeast and eastest part of Canada and it will travel speeds up to 126MPH and it l have a 190MPH speedmometer to travel up to 126MPH
In Your Dreams !!!
Go to 13:14 and watch the guy on the left...
trevor lefler That is Andrew Goodman who owns the moving company - Moveright International. The short rail that joined the two parts of the track moved when the first driving wheel hit it.
David Othen Looks like it scared the crap out of him!
relfel66 You need to be careful around heavy equipment!!
So....what will they be doing?
Nicely shot! Could have used a bit of editing. As we say in the biz, shorter is gooder!
This was edited from about 4 hours of video! However with youtube I prefer to allow the viewer to skip the parts he or she wishes. With DVDs I tend to use tighter editing to get as much as possible on to the disc.
When did United of Canada go to America?
They was in Britain before
13:14 I thought domino done run his finger over 😂🤦🏽♂️.
What the dominant of Canada went to the United states of America
OMG
All this restoration job to end up gathering dust in a storage house... I live 5 minutes away from the museum, trust me, this thing has been either away from the eyes or in a dusty & barely lit storage house for the past 8 years. Why? Because It's technically not a piece of Canadian railway history as it has never seen service in Canada... Well, I suppose it's better than the scrapyard which is where it was originally supposed to end up before the president of the Canadian Railway Historical Association took notice and asked if they could have her.
"All this restoration job to end up gathering dust in a storage house... " That could apply to pretty much all the engines on display in the NRM! That isn't a storage house, it's another exhibit building, which it shares with plenty of Canadian equipment that looks none the worse for wear!
Why couldn't they just tow them instead of the hassle of putting them on flat cars?
+Fishfingers232 I expect that they would have to travel at restricted speeds and stop every few hundred miles to inspect the locomotive for hot boxes.
+David Othen Remember that both locomotives have been static for about 40 years and so would need a major overhaul before traveling on their own wheels.
David Othen I see, would've been quite a sight to see British steam locomotives travelling on American rails though, under their own power or even towed.
+Fishfingers232 Certainly would. I rode behind Schools Class Repton from Sydney NS to Iona NS on what was then the CN main line (now G&W out of use) in about 1974.
David Othen Back in the steam era, there were quite a few British engines that went over. Obviously American ones couldn't go to Britain, they'd demolish the infrastructure XD
A streamlined Coronation class (fairly big by british standards) went over once, and there's a picture of her being absolutely dwarfed by some American locomotive alongside. Pity this sorta thing doesn't happen anymore.
Where did they even come from anyway?
From Britain
I think they should come home :(
IIRC Britain donated them to Canada & the US - now you are suggesting taking the gift back!
I certainly am. You didn't give us anything in return and it doesn't look like you're treating them as well as they deserve!
Karl Berrisford We treat them as well as we can, just because we don't have the money or are even ALLOWED to run them doesn't mean we can't put them in a museum as an example of British Engineering, I don't see any Mistreatment of these locomotives, Nor do you seem to know that they were loaded and unloaded the same exact way on both sides of the pond. It seems you Brits don't want anything to do with our locomotives, and all the ones in good condition are in Museums, If the National Railway Museum over there expressed interest, We would be more than happy to give you a few. And remember, Money is an Object over here... Don't know about over there.
Karl Berrisford Oh and, A TON of the diesel Electrics over there are made by EMD, An AMERICAN company!
Ha sucks for you you we were the ones who designed the Big Boy wich by the way is a whole lot stronger than any deisel or stem engin you have made and we have an even faster train ever heard of the New York central 4-8-4 yeah it went 169 miles per hour
WILL IT COME DOWN TO FLORIDA THIS JUNE?
I don't think so - it is June already!
David Othen
D:I WANNA SEE IT IN FORT LAUDERDALE D:
They belong to us give them back
You have four, these belong to us!
interesting watch, so i have to wonder what do the americans think of the british A4's? seeing as by then the US had its own established locomotive industry
+kineticdeath Different! Seem to be an attention getter at the Green Bay museum!
David Othen
those A4s are pretty sleek, as were those huge Locos the US had coming on line by around that period. I wish there was more of a steam thing here in australia, i've seen like 2 steam loco's in like the past 17 years and thats with me living next to the main line between sydney and brisbane. So sad
+kineticdeath No main line steam running for many years in Canada except one trip by 6060 to celebrate Jasper railway station festival.
David Othen such a shame, guess i'm stuck with youtube and transport tycoon for my steam train fix lol
+kineticdeath Honestly the A4's are cute little toy locomotives (compared to our monsters) that served the purpose they were designed for in their original country. I personally am happy that we have the General Dwight stateside as very few of our fully streamlined steamers survived into presevation
Soon, sir Nigel gresely will stay in Britain,
Mallard will be in USA
Union of South Africa will be in Africa and will will travel in South africa, and i wish silverlink would be in Australia
I do wish LNER had saved and given A4's to Africa, Australia, India, and New Zealand, like how France gave us the boxcars!
The yanks couldn't care less about the A4s. They will sit for another 50. years in the back corner rusting away. They should both be returned to UK were they are honoured and taken care off. What a waste o f fine machinery.
Michael Naisbitt not wanting to start an argument, but Dwight D. Eisenhower is one of the greatest attractions since it arrival, I don't know about Dominion of Canada though
DoC is in the Railway Museum in Quebec, she's quite the eye catcher there.
I am an American and I think they should be returned to Britain. That is where they were built and ran. They don't have any history in the US. There is an emotional attachment to the A4's in Britain that I think should be respected. It far outweighs everything. The only reason the US has it is because of the name. If I am correct, Eisenhower didn't even attend the naming ceremony, so it probably wasn't very important to him. I would even support restoring it to its original name of "Golden Shuttle". There are fans of British railways in the US, including myself and that is also why I think it should be returned. It comes does to respecting the locomotives history. If someone from the US wants to see it, then they can travel to Britain and see it. Then they can also visit the NRM, heritage railways, and admire the rest of British Rail history. I run OO scale trains and I do have "Golden Shuttle", but I won't own "Eisenhower. It goes well with my "Mallard" and "Osprey"
Michael Naisbitt you know what I really do think you right and I’m American but I love a4s that is not right how she will sit at the back of museum rusting away just like before they need to return back to both of them to the UK 🇬🇧 or either put them back in service
@Captain Dildoface Which ones to be exact?
Looks like bit of an amateur set up .
Since I am an amateur photographer that is not surprising!
However the movers (Moveright International) are a very professional organization with several decades of experience world wide in moving locomotives and other heavy equipment.
David Othen
cosgrove notts It's not every day you have to move such a big locomotive from a truck to a train car...
ThePainTrain765 Moveright International do this type of work all the time! They are often called day or night to re-rail derailed locomotives in Britain and to move locomotives from one heritage railway to another.
cosgrove notts "How would you have done it?"
Dominion should of stayed at home in Britain where she belongs
+GWR23 Studios She was gifted to the people of Canada just as Dwight D Eisenhower was similarly gifted to the USA. Neither loco will steam again. That still leaves the remaining 4 in the UK, of which 3 are currently able to steam and carry out Main-line work. What's your problem with that?
Jae Veal they shipped her to America now deal with it you better be Glad that they didn’t scraped her and Dwight D Eisenhower in 60s
they belong in britain
+Kristian Messenger Remember the British government gave them to Canada & the US!
yes but the british government are nobs
David Othen now they are back in Britain at the NRM (National Railway Museum)
no they belong to there owners who were kind enough to let them return to britain for the special
event
Kristian Messenger if they had not then they would
have been scrapped in the 60s , would you have prefered that ?