Probably one thing I missed out of this conversation is that the report system ultimately relies on players being rational and intelligent agents around cheaters, and that is not always the case.
The age old dilemma, relying on un-skilled people ignorant of the way things work, being the police for the laws. I'll use a Battlefield example: Many gamers would look at the K/D's shown in the scoreboard and assume a 29-1 or 56-1 meant that person was cheating, and automatically report them When in actuality those were often chopper whores, where it is common to have large kill streaks. My views on this are based on taking gamers that are "cheat reporters" and elevating them with tools that would give the studios evidence in conjunction with the report. Many times, game reporting is a questionnaire "what map, what game, date/time? what server region? name of cheater? etc My idea, is to have a "snapshot" like an instant replay that you can press a hotkey combination that would capture your game data, and the game data of the enemy, so that corresponding views could be verified. Example: Think of when your software crashes on your computer. A button is provided that asks "do you want to send the data to the support team?" In complex system environments, the more overlapping systems, the easier it is to cross reference and identify anomalies (like chopper whores" and actual violations.
I did try reaching out to you last year about false perma bans,and hoped as ypur a big youtuber you could of addressed the situation,but thanks for bringing this video up
I try to not report unless more than just me in my party start saying something. I run with 2 pc players and 2 Xbox players as well as Playstation players. Mostly the pc guys tho
I report players all the time . I got really good at spoting cheaters . I notifications reports about activision taking action against the players i report at least once a week. and that's pretty sad to be honest. but I like to believe I'm doing my part.
Exactly if I was running walls and aim bot, there’s no way I would take a loss not once. a lot of these guys still finish with a one KD at the end of the game 2kd if they have some sense but they should be untouchable but I guess there has to be a reason they downloaded the cheats in the first place.
@@iiFuture so be fair I'm not sure cheaters will be using the gamepass version of the game as the files are encrypted so I imagine it will cause problems with running the cheats. I can't even get the AMD software to recognise some gamepass games in order to tweak the graphics settings.
@@EvilxGeniusx-versatilegamer even if the streamers were cheating and they were scared of banning them because of publicity, why wouldn’t they ban the non cheating streamers?..
I just want to play with people around my age, in 40's. I have to keep VC off at all times so I won't be reminded that I'm on a child's playground. We got to deal with ADD kids, cheaters, 20 somethings in their prime no lifing it. Just wanna play a few games at night with the boys, and we only have a few brain cells left. Cut us a break.
just the nature of video games, especially call of duty, skill based matchmaking is supposed to solve some of these problems but idk how it works in warzone since I mostly play MP. Battlefield held most of the older audience before it fell off, rip battlefield.
@@jmw9179 don't see how SBMM works I'm forever getting into matches with higher skilled players, or into games already started, put onto the losing side already getting spawn camped, shoot first die first, dsync, just took many problems on this franchise these days. Ready to put this game to rest
I said in a MP game the other day it is like playing with a bunch of ADHD flies. They are zipping all over the place and it's impossible to predict what they will do, and I think that because they don't know themselves what they are going to do from one second to the next. I was watching some people and they would run one way, then go back they way they came, then back again, then maybe a different way, they weren't killing anyone, or doing objectives, this was straight after spawning. It's like every 2 seconds they have a different idea about what they are going to do lol
Get gud. Lazy ass doesn't deserve the win. If you wanna chill, play poker. That or stop taking the game seriously and just play and accept that people will have more time available to be better than you. Accept that and move on or find another game grandpaw.
9:31 Maybe the reason they haven’t implemented statistical analysis is because, while it’s effective, it might not be worth the development cost. It would probably only catch the blatant cheaters, while smarter ones could figure out the thresholds and automate their cheats to stay under the radar. Reducing obvious cheaters is good, but it might not be catching the more nuanced cheaters.
I am not very invested in cod anymore (mainly because of sbmm) but I can recognize that cheating is a universal problem and developing better anti-cheats only makes gaming better.
I played 3 games of ranked yesterday. I lost all 3 games but placed first by a mile in my team and got 0SR. I also got called so many names in VC. What an absolute waste of time. 🤦🏻♂️
That was every single match on modern warfare 2&3 for me but not the case for bo6. I’m lucky if I get 3rd, granted I’m camo grinding, I’m still not shit.
Legit lost all 3 of my ranked games as well and held my own and not receiving ANY sr really takes you out of the experience, granted this is my first time participating in MP ranked, I can't wait for warzone ranked but I want the experience to be sharper before that drops
The other topic needed to be discussed in the community is the closet cheaters, the most dangerous and nefarious type of players every competitive online game can have, they can play the game and cheat undetected for years and even decades, often entering the gaming clans, competing at a higher level ranked games, be a part of the larger community, chatting and even communicating with the community all this while hacking in the game, and when these type of players get caught its just a disaster for everyone who were friends with them, i know that feel because one of our team members got banned from apex legends, we just found out that he was hacking for 3 years without being detected. That was shocking
SMS 2FA is already mandatory on new account sign ups. However it’s next to useless because in many countries such as the UK you can walk to a local store and buy 50 SIM cards no questions asked for £1 each, all capable of receiving SMS indefinitely.
I just wanted to say you probably have the best CoD "deep-dive" vids on youtube. I very rarely find myself disagreeing and also learn a lot I didn't know. It's all concise and well reasoned. With no extra noise. I appreciate that. Cheers mate.
Your spitting facts man, I’ve been shadow banned twice now and all of these changes you’ve mentioned are necessary, the anti cheat system just doesn’t work correctly at the moment.
End of WZ3, Twitter was filled with people selling their accounts that they’ve had since WZ1. Level 1250 blatant cheaters were rampant. What did these sellers honestly think people are doing with their accounts?
My take on the topic has been for years: Ban the player, not the account. I.e. use a system where a person is required to identify as said person, in its most extreme form similar to when registering at a crypto exchange. Require this for everyone, or at least allow me to queue only against players who have identified themselves the same I did. Investing the effort to catch cheaters would make much more sense, because e.g. having been caught cheating then would stick with the person, allowing for progressively longer bans if he continues to cheat (up to a permaban). If a player is banned for a certain amount of time, he can also not simply hop on an alt account, and account selling would also cease to be a thing...
Yep. Problem is getting this set up in all regions. Authorization and authentication of IDs in the US is not the same as in Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, etc, and most of the time we share the same server. São Paulo servers probably has players from like 6 countries all meshed together. And even without having to ID to play the game I still can't find solo/duo matches 50% of the time, having to play in the U.S instead.
@guidourados How do u prove ur identity to be allowed to create a crypto curreny account south of the US ? In Europe u can use one of several identity providers, it takes about 5 to 10 min to do so online.
Ah yes, let's give some of the most viciously incompetent and self-destructively short-sighted publishers and studio owners in the world even more of your data so your IDs will inevitably be stolen because proper security and privacy tools are anathema to MoVe FaSt BrEaK tHiNgS tech dweebs and the managerial class. Touch grass, care less about terrible competitive games whose infrastructure sucks, play games with dedicated servers and HUMAN admins.
Went online on the console to play a handful of games of warzone at 9pm tonight. Took 60 minutes to find a match with cross play off and when i finally found a server to join the server crashed in the first five minutes. The same thing happened two more times. Wasted a little over three hours tonight and now I’m writing this comment in bed. No GG’s … it just keeps getting worse.
That's what you get for turning cross play off. You're one of those people that thinks people can't/don't cheat on console, huh? News flash, pal. Cheating is just as common and easy to do on console.
The problem with the shadowban system is that legit players have to sit out a week, if you make an alt from the same hwid it lower that acct and the one that was SB'd trust score... whereas most cheaters have multiple accts and just sign onto one of those.
Got shadow banned a week and half ago for the first time ever. Not shadowed anymore, but I started playing zombies since I could pretty much only play cheaters in mp and haven’t gone back to mp since lol
Also I don’t have a high win rate (barely over 1.0) and my headshot percentage is only like 11%. I do have a higher than average kd and spm tho (2.3 kd and around 600 spm)
@@markduccini buddy it’s ok you’re bad at the game so you won’t have to worry about being shadow banned. Not everyone is cheating just bc they’re better than you
Good to mention how horrible this is in smaller player pool regions. Small player pool = denser competitiveness = higher toxicity. Normally you can't survive a single match of quads using shotguns in my region, just because everyone sweats and they rage more.
Youre fighting the good fight brother. Thank you for making this video. It is just only a video game... but its the principle ffs. Seeing literal cheaters play in pro tournaments that were organised by the SAME PEOPLE WHO EMPLOY THE ANTI-CHEAT, while I'm shadowbanned off of SIX kills is beyond frustrating. If only I was a popular streamer who can get whitelisted by I guess I'm just a regular paying customer!
The hilarious thing is that the game is in such a bad fucking state with desync right now, that I actually checked to see if I was shadow banned the other day. I’m not (KNOCK ON WOOD), but I’ve already moved on from the game because, ever since the season one update, I just flat out can’t win gun battles anymore. I used to finish top 3 in almost every lobby, now I’m only going positive because of equipment…
I’ve been shadowbanned in previous CODs but thankfully BO6 SBMM, spawns and netcode have been pounding me so hard I haven’t been able to pop off the way I usually do
I remember when I was shadow banned back in 2020. Funnily, the lobbies in MP were far easier than regular SBMM. I mean there was an aimbotter every 3. or 4. match, but other than that the lobbies were really easy. As an algorithm developer, I think it is fairly hard to differentiate statistically between aim assist and aimbot. As a rule of thumb, if you cannot differentiate it as an experienced player, it is likely a hard problem to be solved by an algorithm.
You have been dropping nonstop bangers sir! I’m starting to see other content creators recommending you as well because you’ve been putting your knowledge on display. Keep up the great work.
The real dark side of the anti cheat is that its effectiveness is near 0 and requires mostly manual confirmation except when the anti cheat team accidentally figures out how a cheat maker is bypassing their protections. The anti cheat team should have to do a 6 month training seminar where the team learns from the Valorant anti cheat team.
Played against someone using walls on Nuketown and they went 38 and 30. Not only is the anti-cheat not able to detect the cheats on their system, but the player isn’t dropping ridiculous numbers so players who don’t look at the killcam would never know they’re cheating. I’m already done with BO6 and it’s insane how a company who has a dedicated fanbase are quick to take people’s money but unable to put that money back into the product that’s paying their bills.
Mandatory 2fa would honestly make a lot of players super pissed and annoyed especially cod players who maybe 50 percent of them have even done a 2fa in any game
Finally someone calls on this bs system. I re-started playing on January 2024 after leaving in Verdasnk in 2020 precisely because was full of chetears running around with akimbos in latam servers. By March this year I got my first shadow ban in a game with, listen to this, 4 kills. I had 0.90 kda and I sucked and still got banned. I got banned twice since then. I never cheated or did anything weird, just people reported me and because it was considered a new account I got screwed. The shadow ban system is trash. It penalizes people who are actually good at the game and does nothing to stop actual cheaters. I have a friend that was a proplayer for another fps but he is incredible at cod. He is top coach at one of those coaching apps and earned a lot of money from that. He carries our asses every game when he plays, like he drops 20 kills easy on lobbies with the best of latam. He had to play with like 6 accounts because he would get banned with one or 2 accounts every night. Now he just ended up quitting the game. So yea this system is in place to keep good players out of the game because Activision doesn't benefit from having a guy cleaning a lobby and making console players mad.
It makes sense. I went from a 1.1 k/d in Verdansk to a simi impressive 3.4 k/d now. Gotten the nuke on al mazrah, Urzikstan, rebirth, and vondel. Iridescent on ranked on a couple of accounts. But in the process numerous shadow bans since Caldera 😂😂
@@nikomint4894 i genuinely hate this brain dead take. Even if YOU don’t have the problem doesn’t mean 50k active players don’t. It’s all fun and games until you get banned like everybody else. Nobody cares until it’s them. If we were cheating we would’ve been permanently banned from the start. Shit is broken.
But it’s okay. I’m gonna start reporting everybody, good or bad I’m reporting you just because the problem needs to be heard. I’ll make sure everybody experiences a shadow ban 😈
@@user-yi6dd1pi8s i did never say nobody has this problem i am just saying i dont. I know a lot of people have this problem otherwise there wouldnt be so many videos about it
I’ve gotten banned in ranked before the games even started. People on other teams will group report all at the same time if they see your rank or KD is high. That shouldn’t be ok
2.7 kd player been shadow banned over 20 times in the last year or so. You’re right in saying they know I’m a sucker who will come back and don’t care about us.
I have the impression that they have done everything they can to ensure that people no longer report someone who is suspicious. The killcams are ridiculous, you can no longer see the number of people watching someone and now you are no longer placed to watch the team that killed you when you die in Warzone.
My account is 14 years old and I still got shadow banned for the first time. It took 7 days to clear, and I have returned ruining people's day, get good.
Surprised there isn’t a system like Counter Strike’s prime matchmaking. Put players that have purchased the current game in lobbies together, and separate free-2-play players into their own pool.
@@iiFutureexactly cod is garbage and people are playing other games.. why you think they put it on game pass so more people could play but it ain’t working
counter strike prime is filled with cheaters once you enter a hight skill bracket. it is literally unplayable and at some point you will move on to faceit instead
lol forgot this - Your 2 factor idea is sound. I worked Safety for a number of years. Our philosophy was "we have to make it easy to do the right thing" That motto applied to your idea, would play out in additional sales. as the cheaters would need to start again. more sales, as the fewer cheaters in the system would present a more enjoyable game experience so the cheaters would not be scaring away potential customers. etc If you're a 13 year old living in your mom's basement 2 factor is going to be a deterrent as you'd need mom to help when you logged on If you're an adult, applying the same phone number to vast quantities would also be a red flag for the studio If you're worried about a phone cost, and you cannot afford a phone, that's a separate issue un-related to the game. Your 2 factor is just one way to screen the ownership in a way that would more easily identify the abusers. My recommendation for the Studio. (on a temporary basis) apply the 2 factor and see what occurs. Advise and notify players in advance. Educate them on what is to follow. and proceed in a structured way that doesn't surprise the customer base.
@@Afterthought_ You’re partly, “correct” in that statement. You just need to add a couple details, It’s not skill-based anymore, and you’re match-making with other similar, “skilled” through damage. Let’s pull the band-aid off. You’re matching with other hackers, other shadow banned people, and possibly accidental ones.
back in dmz days we played it as a duo and every time when we killed a quad team or 6 players we always got instant shadowban. itt was a cycle o being shadow banned for a month , a week playtime and shadowban again. Now in Bo6 i killed as a solo a full squad and got shadow banned.
Truth is that basically, any competent player worth their salt has been shadow banned one way or another. It's so easy for people to get mad and report you when they're having a bad day or a bad sport who can't handle a bad match so their counter is to report the entire enemy team.
Yeah, I'm a slightly above average player and I've been shadow banned a couple times. I even got shadow banned on bo6 because sbmm fed me an easy lobby and I went 56 and 11 and got reported by the entire enemy team for it. It's ok just gotta struggle for a couple weeks until I'm out again or join my friends parties.
I was Crim in previous games (solo queue only) and have never been shadow banned, so "competent" might be an overstatement. Maybe it's more like every elite player along with some random good players have been shadow banned.
@@user-qn9ku2fl2bit depends on the region you play and your input, since this game has a built-in aimbot for one of the inputs. Region is HUGE. Smaller player pool region is stacked to hell and beyond, so 3+ is more than decent and for mnk you are an warrior without soul anymore.
Two factor does make a LOT sense, with spot checks added in. Sure it’s a PITA sometimes but I think we could all collectively agree that it would be worth it. Maybe they add an option to “only play with other 2FA accounts” and lets others have their own pool.
Shadow ban loop is one of the most dumb systems, they are a BILLION dollar company, and not a single one can make up a better system? Like you said, Valorant, Fortnite and all of these games are getting rid of cheaters way more effectively, why cannot Call of Duty make a anti-cheat that does that? It is insane
I got shadow banned literally two weeks after the game came out. I can finally play again. But oh my god that was the most annoying thing I’ve ever had to deal with. Had to play zombies for like two weeks. Got nebula camo those so that’s a bonus.
People who are legit and don’t cheat, your only solution to not be in shadow ban loop is these two: 1. Finish mastery camo (MP, Zombies, Warzone) any of those to rise your trust factor. 2. You are probably playing in lobbies which have tons of bad players so I guess it’s “Solos”, don’t touch that mode again until you finish at least 2 of mastery camos.
My main account was permanently banned when BO6 was released last month. Never cheated and had MFA on my Activision account so I wasn’t hacked. Other people have reported the same issue but having to play on an alt is lame.
Simple, if enough people report an account at that point a real human working for anticheat is givin the task of researching the account in question. Most players are not nearly capable of telling a cheater from a good player.
I got shadow banned during the verdansk era because I would play warzone on my PS5 at home, then on PC at a gaming arena on the same account. Haven’t played since then 😂
They should not shadow ban cheaters if their system detects them using aim bot or wall hacks they should be permanently banned. If people report other for cheating the game in question or the past 2-3 games that account played should be under review. If they don’t see anything weird then they get to play again.
The Biggest thing I've learned is the Anti-Cheat tends to take a picture of the computer similar to VALORANT using AI in order to see if there is anything suspicious. Now cheater's will have boxes on their screen and even if they exit out those things will still appear. That causes the Anti-Cheat to Flag the Account causing them to be Shadow Banned. That is why things like DMA or truly externals aren't generally caught and are never shadow banned. Now in order for a legit player to get banned more than likely it'll rely on actions and reports. More likely than not those legits have either been toxic if they aren't really good at the game or are the Top 1% who have gotten an insane amount of reports. I personally believe I've gained a large amount of reports myself but I don't see myself in those lobbies as the amount for a player in which the AC has noticed is not cheating would be probably high Double Digits. I do believe it's a necessary evil as cheat's do ruin a game but the extreme amount of people doing it will cause other's to join just so they can be in the same playing field. It's what I believe is a Domino effect.
Hi there. Great content lately. I've been watching all your videos for the past couple weeks as I return to CoD. I was wondering if in your opinion the impossibility of performing data analysis on the server side to detect anomalies may be tied to the shaky server situation that you explained in your previous videos. Perhaps too much information is being lost for this to be viable? Particularly at peak hours?
Changing ping thresholds, does nothing for a real VPN. Meaning what country you VPN to, is indeed in that country. To the game, the ping will read at the VPN. Not the path from VPN to user. That is a true VPN, not some proxy. They should do it like Netflix and just block known VPN IP's, but it never ends but will eliminate the huge bulk(since they use free vpn's).
1:38 I remember thinking it was weird that Jack and Westie played with a controller teammate back then. That was before I realized that controller was actually the way this game was intended to be played.
I played controller recently and u can't tell that isn't cheating aim assist is to broken half of these folks can't even aim on mouse 90% u die to are controller players
@@RemedieX That's why I said intended. If they make it more difficult to use X, and easier to use Y, it's by design. Maybe it's gotten better, but I stopped played
Meanwhile not bootkit and not kernel anticheats are much more effective. So many people don't get that invading your privacy and creating a backdoor is not needed to run a videogame.
My favorite thing is when your team is kicking the shit out of the other team in mp so cod thinks putting a hacker on the other team will square things out
Been shadowbanned for 8 days, I don't cheat. I was farming zombies and Stakeout and now I'm just in a limbo where I have no idea what I did wrong, no recourse and I can't play ranked or the new event when it happens.
I don't know if anyone noticed but the sweatier the game is, the more cheaters there are. Blame those who want this kind of as fast as speed of light movement with sliding and other shitty mechanics.
@@riisky2411 Nah, I'm not bruv. It's easy to see if someone is cheating. Cuz cheaters in this game are so fcking bad that they can't even hide they cheat. Literally.
just hire more lawyers, and start taking all the suspect cheaters to court, once cheaters are being forced to pay in offense, it works toward solving the cheater epidemic...
Swagg and k3 got shadowbanned recently and they got unbanned within the hour😅 but people like us have to wait from 7-10-14 days and don’t even get a reason for getting shadowed and some stupid responses when sending an email.
Almost as if pc anti cheats (gasps) never works. But don't mind me, somebody who has around 9 years of pc playtime. Not like i never knew this was going to happen at all. Tried to warn people that crossplay was a bad idea, but apparently, 9 years of pc means i don't know what i am talking about
@@cokeweasel1064not Xbox (past 360 era). Even if you manage to somehow jailbreak an Xbox one which is practically impossible, you can’t connect to the internet or you’ll likely be banned. Edit: since the Xbox Series X/S have similar base hardware and software, this would go for them too.
Fortnite aren’t doing as well as you think in the anti cheat department I used to praise them for it but if you look at the cash cup tournaments in the last few seasons a sickening amount of hacking.
Anti cheat will always be lackluster. Because they patched an engine to the cheat engine. Instead of making a an anti-cheat from the ground up. Patching thousands of holes, allows more wiggle room for cheat-creators. Look at say Fortnite... One the better anti cheats. But their in-house anti-cheat was built from the ground up with the engine. Works great for them, doesn't work so great for others that add in their anti cheat. Thats what COD did to their own game and why their anti-cheat sucks. We use to have the best form of anti-cheat. Community ran servers that actually BAN on site.
My biggest issue rn is the servers and the amount of chat bans I receive I payed for the m rated game and I can’t talk how I want when I’ve spent money on the store I literally cannot play warzone because I can’t talk to my team fix this garbage I should be allowed to talk how tf I want to on a game I purchase
I usually play early in the morning, around 5am UK time. Out of every 6 games, I die to aimboters in 5 games, so I know that you are not being dramatic. Hopefully, they will do something 😅
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Probably one thing I missed out of this conversation is that the report system ultimately relies on players being rational and intelligent agents around cheaters, and that is not always the case.
The age old dilemma, relying on un-skilled people ignorant of the way things work, being the police for the laws.
I'll use a Battlefield example: Many gamers would look at the K/D's shown in the scoreboard and assume a 29-1 or 56-1 meant that person was cheating, and automatically report them
When in actuality those were often chopper whores, where it is common to have large kill streaks.
My views on this are based on taking gamers that are "cheat reporters" and elevating them with tools that would give the studios evidence in conjunction with the report.
Many times, game reporting is a questionnaire "what map, what game, date/time? what server region? name of cheater? etc
My idea, is to have a "snapshot" like an instant replay that you can press a hotkey combination that would capture your game data, and the game data of the enemy, so that corresponding views could be verified.
Example: Think of when your software crashes on your computer. A button is provided that asks "do you want to send the data to the support team?"
In complex system environments, the more overlapping systems, the easier it is to cross reference and identify anomalies (like chopper whores" and actual violations.
I did try reaching out to you last year about false perma bans,and hoped as ypur a big youtuber you could of addressed the situation,but thanks for bringing this video up
I try to not report unless more than just me in my party start saying something. I run with 2 pc players and 2 Xbox players as well as Playstation players. Mostly the pc guys tho
THATS the shadow ban issue. I’m fine if it’s still in the game but take it out of the hands of the community to decide…
I report players all the time . I got really good at spoting cheaters . I notifications reports about activision taking action against the players i report at least once a week. and that's pretty sad to be honest. but I like to believe I'm doing my part.
The Problem is that there are to many cheaters so every Ego Player that gets killed thinks the other is cheating and they will report.
It's crazy that the blatant cheater STILL almost loses the match. That's how terrible they are at the game and how much of a crutch their cheats are
its because there's no skill gap, ttk so high any bot can kill a rage cheater if they slip up once
Ikr mf needs a trigger bot, an aim bot, wall and still play like ass
Cheaters don't usually play to win but get high k/d. They pay all that money for cheats and still suck its hilarious
You should watch immarksman play against cheaters in snd, he’s won against wallhackers and combiners multiple times, they’re often horrible
Exactly if I was running walls and aim bot, there’s no way I would take a loss not once. a lot of these guys still finish with a one KD at the end of the game 2kd if they have some sense but they should be untouchable but I guess there has to be a reason they downloaded the cheats in the first place.
Game was good for a few days but cheating is back in full force again. I had no faith in their anti cheat to begin with though
The game being put on GamePass was never going to work but money is more important I guess.
They have banned more legit players than cheaters
@@iiFuture so be fair I'm not sure cheaters will be using the gamepass version of the game as the files are encrypted so I imagine it will cause problems with running the cheats. I can't even get the AMD software to recognise some gamepass games in order to tweak the graphics settings.
The thing is huge providers of cheats where updating their thing now they already have allow it so they're back in full force.
Call of Duty doesn’t manage cheaters as well as other games, because they don’t want to lose out on the money and streamers playing the game…
that's just not true, there will be strong players anyway
they need to protect little timmy streamers, so nada will happen while the pockets are being lined
Lol. What an idiotic take🤣
@ okay hater, you got my attention now. Hope me replying improves the day your having ☺️
@@EvilxGeniusx-versatilegamer even if the streamers were cheating and they were scared of banning them because of publicity, why wouldn’t they ban the non cheating streamers?..
I just want to play with people around my age, in 40's. I have to keep VC off at all times so I won't be reminded that I'm on a child's playground. We got to deal with ADD kids, cheaters, 20 somethings in their prime no lifing it. Just wanna play a few games at night with the boys, and we only have a few brain cells left. Cut us a break.
git gud scrub lmao 🩶
just the nature of video games, especially call of duty, skill based matchmaking is supposed to solve some of these problems but idk how it works in warzone since I mostly play MP. Battlefield held most of the older audience before it fell off, rip battlefield.
@@jmw9179 don't see how SBMM works I'm forever getting into matches with higher skilled players, or into games already started, put onto the losing side already getting spawn camped, shoot first die first, dsync, just took many problems on this franchise these days. Ready to put this game to rest
I said in a MP game the other day it is like playing with a bunch of ADHD flies. They are zipping all over the place and it's impossible to predict what they will do, and I think that because they don't know themselves what they are going to do from one second to the next. I was watching some people and they would run one way, then go back they way they came, then back again, then maybe a different way, they weren't killing anyone, or doing objectives, this was straight after spawning. It's like every 2 seconds they have a different idea about what they are going to do lol
Get gud. Lazy ass doesn't deserve the win. If you wanna chill, play poker.
That or stop taking the game seriously and just play and accept that people will have more time available to be better than you. Accept that and move on or find another game grandpaw.
9:31 Maybe the reason they haven’t implemented statistical analysis is because, while it’s effective, it might not be worth the development cost. It would probably only catch the blatant cheaters, while smarter ones could figure out the thresholds and automate their cheats to stay under the radar. Reducing obvious cheaters is good, but it might not be catching the more nuanced cheaters.
I am not very invested in cod anymore (mainly because of sbmm) but I can recognize that cheating is a universal problem and developing better anti-cheats only makes gaming better.
I played 3 games of ranked yesterday. I lost all 3 games but placed first by a mile in my team and got 0SR. I also got called so many names in VC. What an absolute waste of time. 🤦🏻♂️
@@jeramy8165 stay proud you are strong
That was every single match on modern warfare 2&3 for me but not the case for bo6. I’m lucky if I get 3rd, granted I’m camo grinding, I’m still not shit.
Legit lost all 3 of my ranked games as well and held my own and not receiving ANY sr really takes you out of the experience, granted this is my first time participating in MP ranked, I can't wait for warzone ranked but I want the experience to be sharper before that drops
unpopular opinion: content creators that 2box deserve their shadow ban
The other topic needed to be discussed in the community is the closet cheaters, the most dangerous and nefarious type of players every competitive online game can have, they can play the game and cheat undetected for years and even decades, often entering the gaming clans, competing at a higher level ranked games, be a part of the larger community, chatting and even communicating with the community all this while hacking in the game, and when these type of players get caught its just a disaster for everyone who were friends with them, i know that feel because one of our team members got banned from apex legends, we just found out that he was hacking for 3 years without being detected. That was shocking
SMS 2FA is already mandatory on new account sign ups. However it’s next to useless because in many countries such as the UK you can walk to a local store and buy 50 SIM cards no questions asked for £1 each, all capable of receiving SMS indefinitely.
I just wanted to say you probably have the best CoD "deep-dive" vids on youtube. I very rarely find myself disagreeing and also learn a lot I didn't know. It's all concise and well reasoned. With no extra noise. I appreciate that. Cheers mate.
Your spitting facts man, I’ve been shadow banned twice now and all of these changes you’ve mentioned are necessary, the anti cheat system just doesn’t work correctly at the moment.
Exactly they ban more legit players than actually cheaters
End of WZ3, Twitter was filled with people selling their accounts that they’ve had since WZ1. Level 1250 blatant cheaters were rampant. What did these sellers honestly think people are doing with their accounts?
TaticalBrit is a Legend Thank you for making this video and making it known. We appreciate you
My take on the topic has been for years: Ban the player, not the account. I.e. use a system where a person is required to identify as said person, in its most extreme form similar to when registering at a crypto exchange. Require this for everyone, or at least allow me to queue only against players who have identified themselves the same I did. Investing the effort to catch cheaters would make much more sense, because e.g. having been caught cheating then would stick with the person, allowing for progressively longer bans if he continues to cheat (up to a permaban). If a player is banned for a certain amount of time, he can also not simply hop on an alt account, and account selling would also cease to be a thing...
Yep. Problem is getting this set up in all regions. Authorization and authentication of IDs in the US is not the same as in Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, etc, and most of the time we share the same server. São Paulo servers probably has players from like 6 countries all meshed together. And even without having to ID to play the game I still can't find solo/duo matches 50% of the time, having to play in the U.S instead.
@guidourados How do u prove ur identity to be allowed to create a crypto curreny account south of the US ? In Europe u can use one of several identity providers, it takes about 5 to 10 min to do so online.
Ah yes, let's give some of the most viciously incompetent and self-destructively short-sighted publishers and studio owners in the world even more of your data so your IDs will inevitably be stolen because proper security and privacy tools are anathema to MoVe FaSt BrEaK tHiNgS tech dweebs and the managerial class. Touch grass, care less about terrible competitive games whose infrastructure sucks, play games with dedicated servers and HUMAN admins.
Went online on the console to play a handful of games of warzone at 9pm tonight. Took 60 minutes to find a match with cross play off and when i finally found a server to join the server crashed in the first five minutes. The same thing happened two more times. Wasted a little over three hours tonight and now I’m writing this comment in bed. No GG’s … it just keeps getting worse.
That's what you get for turning cross play off. You're one of those people that thinks people can't/don't cheat on console, huh? News flash, pal. Cheating is just as common and easy to do on console.
@@intellectic9155less common actually far more cheaters on pc only thing console has it aim bot
The problem with the shadowban system is that legit players have to sit out a week, if you make an alt from the same hwid it lower that acct and the one that was SB'd trust score... whereas most cheaters have multiple accts and just sign onto one of those.
Got shadow banned a week and half ago for the first time ever. Not shadowed anymore, but I started playing zombies since I could pretty much only play cheaters in mp and haven’t gone back to mp since lol
Also I don’t have a high win rate (barely over 1.0) and my headshot percentage is only like 11%. I do have a higher than average kd and spm tho (2.3 kd and around 600 spm)
Same I got shadowbanned 2 weeks back and I quit for fortnite then came back
It sux playing against other cheaters huh?
@@markduccini buddy it’s ok you’re bad at the game so you won’t have to worry about being shadow banned. Not everyone is cheating just bc they’re better than you
@@markduccini wow ur probably the same person who spam reports so they can feel good about being bad at the game 🤓
Good to mention how horrible this is in smaller player pool regions. Small player pool = denser competitiveness = higher toxicity. Normally you can't survive a single match of quads using shotguns in my region, just because everyone sweats and they rage more.
Youre fighting the good fight brother. Thank you for making this video. It is just only a video game... but its the principle ffs. Seeing literal cheaters play in pro tournaments that were organised by the SAME PEOPLE WHO EMPLOY THE ANTI-CHEAT, while I'm shadowbanned off of SIX kills is beyond frustrating. If only I was a popular streamer who can get whitelisted by I guess I'm just a regular paying customer!
The hilarious thing is that the game is in such a bad fucking state with desync right now, that I actually checked to see if I was shadow banned the other day. I’m not (KNOCK ON WOOD), but I’ve already moved on from the game because, ever since the season one update, I just flat out can’t win gun battles anymore. I used to finish top 3 in almost every lobby, now I’m only going positive because of equipment…
Gun difference, smg always wins vs AR when upclose. Headshota dont matter anymore
I’ve been shadowbanned in previous CODs but thankfully BO6 SBMM, spawns and netcode have been pounding me so hard I haven’t been able to pop off the way I usually do
Same because I hate spam reporters
You, Jaff Westie and the boys are my favorite content creators lately.
I remember when I was shadow banned back in 2020. Funnily, the lobbies in MP were far easier than regular SBMM. I mean there was an aimbotter every 3. or 4. match, but other than that the lobbies were really easy.
As an algorithm developer, I think it is fairly hard to differentiate statistically between aim assist and aimbot. As a rule of thumb, if you cannot differentiate it as an experienced player, it is likely a hard problem to be solved by an algorithm.
You have been dropping nonstop bangers sir! I’m starting to see other content creators recommending you as well because you’ve been putting your knowledge on display. Keep up the great work.
The real dark side of the anti cheat is that its effectiveness is near 0 and requires mostly manual confirmation except when the anti cheat team accidentally figures out how a cheat maker is bypassing their protections.
The anti cheat team should have to do a 6 month training seminar where the team learns from the Valorant anti cheat team.
Played against someone using walls on Nuketown and they went 38 and 30. Not only is the anti-cheat not able to detect the cheats on their system, but the player isn’t dropping ridiculous numbers so players who don’t look at the killcam would never know they’re cheating. I’m already done with BO6 and it’s insane how a company who has a dedicated fanbase are quick to take people’s money but unable to put that money back into the product that’s paying their bills.
Outstanding work, brother. Definitely cleared up misconceptions in my mind. Thank you 🤙
Finally a large youtuber addressing shadowban! Kudos
Mandatory 2fa would honestly make a lot of players super pissed and annoyed especially cod players who maybe 50 percent of them have even done a 2fa in any game
Finally someone calls on this bs system. I re-started playing on January 2024 after leaving in Verdasnk in 2020 precisely because was full of chetears running around with akimbos in latam servers. By March this year I got my first shadow ban in a game with, listen to this, 4 kills. I had 0.90 kda and I sucked and still got banned. I got banned twice since then. I never cheated or did anything weird, just people reported me and because it was considered a new account I got screwed.
The shadow ban system is trash. It penalizes people who are actually good at the game and does nothing to stop actual cheaters. I have a friend that was a proplayer for another fps but he is incredible at cod. He is top coach at one of those coaching apps and earned a lot of money from that. He carries our asses every game when he plays, like he drops 20 kills easy on lobbies with the best of latam. He had to play with like 6 accounts because he would get banned with one or 2 accounts every night. Now he just ended up quitting the game.
So yea this system is in place to keep good players out of the game because Activision doesn't benefit from having a guy cleaning a lobby and making console players mad.
It makes sense. I went from a 1.1 k/d in Verdansk to a simi impressive 3.4 k/d now. Gotten the nuke on al mazrah, Urzikstan, rebirth, and vondel. Iridescent on ranked on a couple of accounts. But in the process numerous shadow bans since Caldera 😂😂
when you get more than 6 kills on PC :
Maby i am just bad but dont have this problem🙃
@@nikomint4894 i genuinely hate this brain dead take. Even if YOU don’t have the problem doesn’t mean 50k active players don’t. It’s all fun and games until you get banned like everybody else. Nobody cares until it’s them. If we were cheating we would’ve been permanently banned from the start. Shit is broken.
But it’s okay. I’m gonna start reporting everybody, good or bad I’m reporting you just because the problem needs to be heard. I’ll make sure everybody experiences a shadow ban 😈
Better to play for specialist and take the W at the end..max 4-5 kills🥴
@@user-yi6dd1pi8s i did never say nobody has this problem i am just saying i dont. I know a lot of people have this problem otherwise there wouldnt be so many videos about it
I’ve gotten banned in ranked before the games even started. People on other teams will group report all at the same time if they see your rank or KD is high. That shouldn’t be ok
2.7 kd player been shadow banned over 20 times in the last year or so. You’re right in saying they know I’m a sucker who will come back and don’t care about us.
Very wise and direct. Basically the best ways to stop this bullshit. Thanks for the video man.
I get Shadow Bans .... but punishing a player for a month due to illegitimate reports is absolute BS.
I have the impression that they have done everything they can to ensure that people no longer report someone who is suspicious. The killcams are ridiculous, you can no longer see the number of people watching someone and now you are no longer placed to watch the team that killed you when you die in Warzone.
TacticalBrit been cooking these past few days so glad im subbed
My account is 14 years old and I still got shadow banned for the first time. It took 7 days to clear, and I have returned ruining people's day, get good.
Every video on your channel is a little work of art. I look forward to the new episodes!🔴😗🏐
Surprised there isn’t a system like Counter Strike’s prime matchmaking. Put players that have purchased the current game in lobbies together, and separate free-2-play players into their own pool.
Bc the player base isn’t as big as Activision wants you to believe. For example when I turn cross-play it takes a long time to find a match
@@iiFutureexactly cod is garbage and people are playing other games.. why you think they put it on game pass so more people could play but it ain’t working
counter strike prime is filled with cheaters once you enter a hight skill bracket. it is literally unplayable and at some point you will move on to faceit instead
lol forgot this -
Your 2 factor idea is sound. I worked Safety for a number of years. Our philosophy was "we have to make it easy to do the right thing"
That motto applied to your idea, would play out in additional sales. as the cheaters would need to start again.
more sales, as the fewer cheaters in the system would present a more enjoyable game experience so the cheaters would not be scaring away potential customers. etc
If you're a 13 year old living in your mom's basement 2 factor is going to be a deterrent as you'd need mom to help when you logged on
If you're an adult, applying the same phone number to vast quantities would also be a red flag for the studio
If you're worried about a phone cost, and you cannot afford a phone, that's a separate issue un-related to the game.
Your 2 factor is just one way to screen the ownership in a way that would more easily identify the abusers.
My recommendation for the Studio. (on a temporary basis) apply the 2 factor and see what occurs.
Advise and notify players in advance. Educate them on what is to follow. and proceed in a structured way that doesn't surprise the customer base.
useless, sims are 1/10th the cost of actual cheats, the only way a 2fa would work is by facial recognition scanning and banning facial IDs of cheaters
shadowbans dont stop you from queuing, it still throws you in SB lobbies.
Shhh he's acting like a genius for his 12 year old subscribers let him have his moment of "look at me, guys" 😂😂
@@Afterthought_ You’re partly, “correct” in that statement. You just need to add a couple details, It’s not skill-based anymore, and you’re match-making with other similar, “skilled” through damage. Let’s pull the band-aid off. You’re matching with other hackers, other shadow banned people, and possibly accidental ones.
back in dmz days we played it as a duo and every time when we killed a quad team or 6 players we always got instant shadowban. itt was a cycle o being shadow banned for a month , a week playtime and shadowban again. Now in Bo6 i killed as a solo a full squad and got shadow banned.
Yh ban spam reporters
Truth is that basically, any competent player worth their salt has been shadow banned one way or another. It's so easy for people to get mad and report you when they're having a bad day or a bad sport who can't handle a bad match so their counter is to report the entire enemy team.
Yeah, I'm a slightly above average player and I've been shadow banned a couple times. I even got shadow banned on bo6 because sbmm fed me an easy lobby and I went 56 and 11 and got reported by the entire enemy team for it. It's ok just gotta struggle for a couple weeks until I'm out again or join my friends parties.
I was Crim in previous games (solo queue only) and have never been shadow banned, so "competent" might be an overstatement. Maybe it's more like every elite player along with some random good players have been shadow banned.
Never been shadowed even after hearing the enemy scream "cheater and hacker in death comms" or "report him", I have a 1.80 kd not 1 shadow ban.
@@jordanmhaynes4328 dude if you're a competent player you should at least have 5+ KD
@@user-qn9ku2fl2bit depends on the region you play and your input, since this game has a built-in aimbot for one of the inputs. Region is HUGE. Smaller player pool region is stacked to hell and beyond, so 3+ is more than decent and for mnk you are an warrior without soul anymore.
Funny how this comes into my recommended right after being shadow banned LMFAO
Let me guess u got spam reported by some losers who can't pull women I had that happen to me
the reason they went disconnected is because they get the sb after the match is over and you dont get the alert for days
Two factor does make a LOT sense, with spot checks added in. Sure it’s a PITA sometimes but I think we could all collectively agree that it would be worth it. Maybe they add an option to “only play with other 2FA accounts” and lets others have their own pool.
Shadow ban loop is one of the most dumb systems, they are a BILLION dollar company, and not a single one can make up a better system? Like you said, Valorant, Fortnite and all of these games are getting rid of cheaters way more effectively, why cannot Call of Duty make a anti-cheat that does that? It is insane
Can't be on PC and be remotely decent. They always call you a hacker
I got shadow banned literally two weeks after the game came out. I can finally play again. But oh my god that was the most annoying thing I’ve ever had to deal with. Had to play zombies for like two weeks. Got nebula camo those so that’s a bonus.
People who are legit and don’t cheat, your only solution to not be in shadow ban loop is these two:
1. Finish mastery camo (MP, Zombies, Warzone) any of those to rise your trust factor.
2. You are probably playing in lobbies which have tons of bad players so I guess it’s “Solos”, don’t touch that mode again until you finish at least 2 of mastery camos.
I switched to console for a week and it worked very well. If you get shadow banned just play on console for a week when it ends
My main account was permanently banned when BO6 was released last month. Never cheated and had MFA on my Activision account so I wasn’t hacked. Other people have reported the same issue but having to play on an alt is lame.
Simple, if enough people report an account at that point a real human working for anticheat is givin the task of researching the account in question. Most players are not nearly capable of telling a cheater from a good player.
I got shadow banned during the verdansk era because I would play warzone on my PS5 at home, then on PC at a gaming arena on the same account. Haven’t played since then 😂
They should not shadow ban cheaters if their system detects them using aim bot or wall hacks they should be permanently banned. If people report other for cheating the game in question or the past 2-3 games that account played should be under review. If they don’t see anything weird then they get to play again.
The Biggest thing I've learned is the Anti-Cheat tends to take a picture of the computer similar to VALORANT using AI in order to see if there is anything suspicious. Now cheater's will have boxes on their screen and even if they exit out those things will still appear. That causes the Anti-Cheat to Flag the Account causing them to be Shadow Banned. That is why things like DMA or truly externals aren't generally caught and are never shadow banned.
Now in order for a legit player to get banned more than likely it'll rely on actions and reports. More likely than not those legits have either been toxic if they aren't really good at the game or are the Top 1% who have gotten an insane amount of reports. I personally believe I've gained a large amount of reports myself but I don't see myself in those lobbies as the amount for a player in which the AC has noticed is not cheating would be probably high Double Digits.
I do believe it's a necessary evil as cheat's do ruin a game but the extreme amount of people doing it will cause other's to join just so they can be in the same playing field. It's what I believe is a Domino effect.
I agree random spot checks on your account will be absolutely ideal for our safety
2FA should certainly be mandatory. It would help eradicate cheaters as well as people who 2 box (in theory).
Hi there. Great content lately. I've been watching all your videos for the past couple weeks as I return to CoD. I was wondering if in your opinion the impossibility of performing data analysis on the server side to detect anomalies may be tied to the shaky server situation that you explained in your previous videos. Perhaps too much information is being lost for this to be viable? Particularly at peak hours?
You should do a video on the chat ban system that does the same thing and chat bans you up to 30 days without being able to talk to your teammates
You can get around that problem, are you on ps5 ?
Changing ping thresholds, does nothing for a real VPN. Meaning what country you VPN to, is indeed in that country. To the game, the ping will read at the VPN. Not the path from VPN to user. That is a true VPN, not some proxy. They should do it like Netflix and just block known VPN IP's, but it never ends but will eliminate the huge bulk(since they use free vpn's).
Fantastic content as always thank you, your efforts are truly appreciated!
from and aging Brit who needs all the help and excuses he can get 😅❤
I was shadowed about a week and a half ago and just swapped to console. Figured it wasn’t even worth playing on pc anymore..
The amount of wallhackers I meet ingame is astonishing. Worse thatn ever before.
1:38 I remember thinking it was weird that Jack and Westie played with a controller teammate back then. That was before I realized that controller was actually the way this game was intended to be played.
Intended is a generous word. More like artificially forced by overbuffing it and nerfing MnK in several scummy ways
I played controller recently and u can't tell that isn't cheating aim assist is to broken half of these folks can't even aim on mouse 90% u die to are controller players
@@RemedieX That's why I said intended. If they make it more difficult to use X, and easier to use Y, it's by design. Maybe it's gotten better, but I stopped played
Bro you be breaking this shit down. 💯💯💯💯
I just love how this game nails down the realism of war I remember when they pulled the Omni movement out on osama and got his ass
Meanwhile not bootkit and not kernel anticheats are much more effective. So many people don't get that invading your privacy and creating a backdoor is not needed to run a videogame.
Even aim botting the chest, would be OP.
very much so enjoying your content
Cheaters in every lobby. Warzone has the same problems for years
I enjoy all your videos Brit
Even in casual playlists I at least report one person a day. And if you play hardcore you’ll run into hackers it seems like every other game
My favorite thing is when your team is kicking the shit out of the other team in mp so cod thinks putting a hacker on the other team will square things out
Been shadowbanned for 8 days, I don't cheat. I was farming zombies and Stakeout and now I'm just in a limbo where I have no idea what I did wrong, no recourse and I can't play ranked or the new event when it happens.
4 years of development btw, " it's gonna be the greatest COD ever" my ass
I don't know if anyone noticed but the sweatier the game is, the more cheaters there are.
Blame those who want this kind of as fast as speed of light movement with sliding and other shitty mechanics.
Feel free to play mw3 😂
Nah you’re just the type of person who thinks anyone that can do better than you or is good is cheating.
@@riisky2411 Nah, I'm not bruv. It's easy to see if someone is cheating. Cuz cheaters in this game are so fcking bad that they can't even hide they cheat. Literally.
@@okokokok1457 I will say more! MW2 is even better lol Less skill gap = better game
just hire more lawyers, and start taking all the suspect cheaters to court, once cheaters are being forced to pay in offense, it works toward solving the cheater epidemic...
Swagg and k3 got shadowbanned recently and they got unbanned within the hour😅 but people like us have to wait from 7-10-14 days and don’t even get a reason for getting shadowed and some stupid responses when sending an email.
Almost as if pc anti cheats (gasps) never works.
But don't mind me, somebody who has around 9 years of pc playtime. Not like i never knew this was going to happen at all.
Tried to warn people that crossplay was a bad idea, but apparently, 9 years of pc means i don't know what i am talking about
The cheats exist for consoles too
@@cokeweasel1064not Xbox (past 360 era). Even if you manage to somehow jailbreak an Xbox one which is practically impossible, you can’t connect to the internet or you’ll likely be banned.
Edit: since the Xbox Series X/S have similar base hardware and software, this would go for them too.
The problem is everybody who is shadowbanned always claims to be just so good.. no one ever is a cheater
That's because the actual hackers have multiple accounts they switch between and use normal players only have one so we complain about it.
Cheaters 👍🏻 people who say naughty words 👎🏻
Two factor for cod requires you to install their app instead of just allowing it through the web page. No thanks, don't want another app.
Big problem is the unlock tool comes with uav now. I'm sure alot of people use it
No one should be whitelisted!!! You get flagged your done!
Fortnite aren’t doing as well as you think in the anti cheat department I used to praise them for it but if you look at the cash cup tournaments in the last few seasons a sickening amount of hacking.
counldnt care about the woes of the top 1% of players of the game, ban all of them honestly and itd be a better game
It doesn’t help that they have to let all of their steamer “influencers” cheat
Anti cheat will always be lackluster. Because they patched an engine to the cheat engine. Instead of making a an anti-cheat from the ground up. Patching thousands of holes, allows more wiggle room for cheat-creators. Look at say Fortnite... One the better anti cheats. But their in-house anti-cheat was built from the ground up with the engine. Works great for them, doesn't work so great for others that add in their anti cheat. Thats what COD did to their own game and why their anti-cheat sucks.
We use to have the best form of anti-cheat. Community ran servers that actually BAN on site.
One game I do good, the next 5 are 100+ ping sweat fests
My biggest issue rn is the servers and the amount of chat bans I receive I payed for the m rated game and I can’t talk how I want when I’ve spent money on the store I literally cannot play warzone because I can’t talk to my team fix this garbage I should be allowed to talk how tf I want to on a game I purchase
I have a $3000 pc that i CANNOT use because on PC you get shadowbanned quickly, im literally forced to play on a ps5
Why did you pay that much for a PC just for CoD? Sounds like a YOU issue.
@ because its my money i can spend however I want it? Who are you the money police? 😂
@@cokeweasel1064 cause he can? He can do whatever he wants, Weirdo. You’re probably a spam reporter
@DePrimeYT nah he's broke asf 💀
I usually play early in the morning, around 5am UK time. Out of every 6 games, I die to aimboters in 5 games, so I know that you are not being dramatic. Hopefully, they will do something 😅
I got shadow banned in MW3 and never came back 😂
I did 2 weeks ago I quit to play fornite came back and now I have be careful every spectator to me is a potential spam reporter
They should give us the option for different lobby like for the casual gamer or the sweats
This is the last time they get my cash, I'm past caring now.
feels so bad for the top 1%, damn shame for them lol