This is ludicrous. It should be straightforward for computer to figure out whether the position is repeated 3 times and automatically stop the game. Why is there a need for human intervention?!
The game is not automatically drawn if a position occurs for the third time - one of the players, on their turn, must claim the draw with the arbiter. The claim must be made either before making the move which will produce the third repetition, or after the opponent has made a move producing a third repetition. By contrast, the fivefold repetition rule requires the arbiter to intervene and declare the game drawn if the same position occurs five times, needing no claim by the players. -from the internet. i did not know about the five fold repetition.
In an armageddon game, with precious little time on the clock, deliberately stalling with an unjustified arbiter call would be advantageous. Is there a penalty if the claim turns out to be wrong?
It does not have to be last 3 moves. Same position means all pieces are on same squares and same player has to move.Player can dance around with bishop and queen and after 10 moves to arrive into exact same position he had before In OTB it is sometimes hard to determine, but with modern DGT tehnology you can check computer . Without DGT pieces and board and when players are not writing their moves on scoresheet, it is sometimes impossible even for arbiter to make sure whether it was 3-fold repetition or not.
@@stagna1959 Yeah, that happened to me in Rapid. We don't write scoresheets and the board isn't DGT either. I was playing with an IM and the position definitely repeated thrice but for some reason he said that it doesn't. I had no proof sadly and the game continued. But luckily, the position was already drawn and I drew the IM!
@@lutimstrickshots9253 THank God , you have drawn with him.. Liars come here as with GMs , IMs, FMs and its our utmost try to play for a win or equalize them.. Chess has become more gory, this is no more a gentleman game.. weird with FIDE, wired with arbiters. Pity are the practitioners
Why didnt he play Qd7 ? 2:09 1. Qd7 Be5 2. c7 Bxc7 3. Qxc7 and it is time to resign Even club player can convert passer and extra knight now , black has no counterplay whatsoever I have no other explanation that Kramnik was very rusty, did not play OTB games for a long time and just panicked in time pressure But this was fairly common endgame, what a shame he let it slide to draw
@@ioan.cristian200 Kramnik had 11 seconds on clock+ increment when black played Bd4. And Qc7 did not help him at all , it blocked c-passer. Qd7 would make possible to push passer and black had to sac his bishop to take it. In his heyday he would see it in 1 second. Ex-champ was very rusty here. You have to practise tournament chess constantly to stay sharp.
It's black's turn, How can Black play Queen D7 when his Queen was in E4? And If you were refering to white's queen on 2:02 then He had to move his king as he was in check.
@@stagna1959 fair enough, but you have to understand that it's not just the situation of the exact position, you need to consider the whole game and the pressure that would have been in the players, do you honestly think you would have been able to spot that move if it didn't automatically hit your brain with 11 seconds, with 11 seconds you can barely calculate, and somehow he missed it, but for a former world champion I agree that's its a bit surprising
@@aryannegi3670 It is not black turn after ...Bd4 .White to move ! Time stamp was 2:09 There is no check and only white queen can play Qd7.Kramnik even hesitated couple of seconds and then played useless Qc7. 20 years ago he would not hesitate at all in same position having same time on clock. That is difference between active GM who is training every day 6 hours and competing often and former W Ch who is away from chess tournaments already few years
controlling the nerves and having such presence of mind is really appreciable
Nodirbek is vey calm and know what to do😂
He didn't call the arbiter while he was losing: he called the arbiter while he was drawing the game.
Their heart rates were even higher when they went to talk with the arbiter than when they were playing, both about 140bpm
With such a small amount of time in the clock, it is unbeliveable to realize three-fold repetition. He is a genuis.
I think sagar's eval bar already telling that it was three fold repetition.
Completely insane stuff by nodirbek!
I think you need a heart rate monitor for this high octane commentary.
148 heart rate for chess is insane, I had the same during panic attack
The eval bar levelled the position after Kramnik’s last move
Insane presence of mind, bitter for kramnik though
What a brilliant brain nodirbek has! He's amazing.
This is ludicrous. It should be straightforward for computer to figure out whether the position is repeated 3 times and automatically stop the game. Why is there a need for human intervention?!
Porque así lo norma la reglamentación FIDE, si él reclamante no lo solicita no se puede sancionar
The game is not automatically drawn if a position occurs for the third time - one of the players, on their turn, must claim the draw with the arbiter. The claim must be made either before making the move which will produce the third repetition, or after the opponent has made a move producing a third repetition. By contrast, the fivefold repetition rule requires the arbiter to intervene and declare the game drawn if the same position occurs five times, needing no claim by the players.
-from the internet. i did not know about the five fold repetition.
In an armageddon game, with precious little time on the clock, deliberately stalling with an unjustified arbiter call would be advantageous. Is there a penalty if the claim turns out to be wrong?
I think then time is added to your opponent
Time is added to your Opponent. Obviously the claim has to be wrong
@@RobinMs5 I believe you're right, but how much time?
I guess 1min
L0
Skip to 2:40 to see arbiter being called
Abdusattorov top of face and kramminik bottom face
can someone explain why it's a repetition when the last 3 moves weren't same squares
It does not have to be last 3 moves. Same position means all pieces are on same squares and same player has to move.Player can dance around with bishop and queen and after 10 moves to arrive into exact same position he had before
In OTB it is sometimes hard to determine, but with modern DGT tehnology you can check computer .
Without DGT pieces and board and when players are not writing their moves on scoresheet, it is sometimes impossible even for arbiter to make sure whether it was 3-fold repetition or not.
@@stagna1959 Yeah, that happened to me in Rapid. We don't write scoresheets and the board isn't DGT either. I was playing with an IM and the position definitely repeated thrice but for some reason he said that it doesn't. I had no proof sadly and the game continued. But luckily, the position was already drawn and I drew the IM!
@@lutimstrickshots9253 THank God , you have drawn with him.. Liars come here as with GMs , IMs, FMs and its our utmost try to play for a win or equalize them.. Chess has become more gory, this is no more a gentleman game.. weird with FIDE, wired with arbiters. Pity are the practitioners
@@mayanm7105 I know right, many people's only aim is to just win, win and win and not care if they are good sportsmen or not...
@@lutimstrickshots9253 cringe.... fake story
Да Крамнику уже на пенсию пора! За молодежье ему не угнаться! Неужели так трудно это понять! Его время давно вышло!
Can the computer program that can detect repetitions?
Never get's old to see Kramnik fail
Kramnik is really having bad time with Armageddon...first Gukesh and now Nodirbek! You can't blame anyone it's a cutthroat competition.
How tall is Kramnik? Looks about 6 ft 4?
6ft 5
If kramnik was in his 30s and got this position he might have crushed nodirbek
Да Крамнику на пенсию давно пора! Что он там плетется, среди молодежи, не понятно!! Ему уже сидеть на диване и пить чай! А молодежь пусть зажигает!
Is there anything Abdu cannot do right?
1:55 2:38 2:46 he just need to play Kh7
Such iron nerves
that heart pulse is real ? i mean they wear watch for that ?
Existen muchos aparatos sencillos para medir las pulsaciones
Ναι αλλά είναι όρος του παιχνιδιού να φαίνεται ο παλμός τους?
@@zanzanabet8571 Creo es el estilo de la competencia, mostrar los pulsos para determinar sus nervios o emoción al jugar
Each reply is in a language😂
خلص رح أشارككم واحكي بلغة ثانية أنا كمان
Why didnt he play Qd7 ?
2:09
1. Qd7 Be5 2. c7 Bxc7 3. Qxc7 and it is time to resign
Even club player can convert passer and extra knight now , black has no counterplay whatsoever
I have no other explanation that Kramnik was very rusty, did not play OTB games for a long time and just panicked in time pressure
But this was fairly common endgame, what a shame he let it slide to draw
they had 5 secs on the clock what do you expect
@@ioan.cristian200 Kramnik had 11 seconds on clock+ increment when black played Bd4. And Qc7 did not help him at all , it blocked c-passer. Qd7 would make possible to push passer and black had to sac his bishop to take it.
In his heyday he would see it in 1 second.
Ex-champ was very rusty here. You have to practise tournament chess constantly to stay sharp.
It's black's turn, How can Black play Queen D7 when his Queen was in E4? And If you were refering to white's queen on 2:02 then He had to move his king as he was in check.
@@stagna1959 fair enough, but you have to understand that it's not just the situation of the exact position, you need to consider the whole game and the pressure that would have been in the players, do you honestly think you would have been able to spot that move if it didn't automatically hit your brain with 11 seconds, with 11 seconds you can barely calculate, and somehow he missed it, but for a former world champion I agree that's its a bit surprising
@@aryannegi3670 It is not black turn after ...Bd4 .White to move !
Time stamp was
2:09
There is no check and only white queen can play Qd7.Kramnik even hesitated couple of seconds and then played useless Qc7. 20 years ago he would not hesitate at all in same position having same time on clock. That is difference between active GM who is training every day 6 hours and competing often and former W Ch who is away from chess tournaments already few years
He is learning from kramnik 😂
well the caption is misleading and you guys might wanna go away with it just by adding the question mark lol
Que paso ???
Where is 3fold there?
1:55 2:38 2:46 he will go Kh7 then its 3fold repetition
Ўзбекчага, ҳеч бўлмаса русчага таржима қилиш функциясини ёқинглар.
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nodirberg is rubish,Kramnik must have win
This "rubish" can easily win all of indian chess players
@@sunnatillasobirjonov7617 he isn't Indian so don't need to dirty Indian chess players. Amd btw Vishwanath Anand is from India
The rubbish can not only crush Kramnik but even who wrote this comment.
@@sunnatillasobirjonov7617 first make a better head to head stats with gukesh in otb then we come to indians
yeah sure😂