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Ranking every DMU in Britain: Part 2

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  • Опубликовано: 18 авг 2024
  • DMUs make up the staple of Britain's regional railways, and they have mixed reputations regarding their quality. In this video, I'll be giving my thoughts on which DMUs are the best, and with the ten worst out the way, it's time for the frontrunners.
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Комментарии • 129

  • @cheesekingofdenmark6910
    @cheesekingofdenmark6910 Год назад +64

    Great to see the 185s being appreciated! Their only real issue is capacity, but if they're used on more reasonable routes they're perfect.

    • @GWVillager
      @GWVillager  Год назад +20

      Fortunately the introduction of the Novas has helped them be better utilised. Pairs of 185s are better than a single one!

    • @gordonjohnson8432
      @gordonjohnson8432 Год назад +2

      185.....poor layout....toilets take up half the train!!! TPE really need to look at passenger comfort...wont happen.....even with the new trains....not good enough!! class 45 + 7 coaches in days gone by....bring back BR.....!!!!

    • @Thomas_TdK
      @Thomas_TdK Год назад +4

      @@gordonjohnson8432 stuck in the past mutch?

    • @gordonjohnson8432
      @gordonjohnson8432 Год назад +1

      not at all....46 years working on the railways....but the 185 is not the answer!! but neither is the other crap!

    • @TheBlackadderOne
      @TheBlackadderOne Год назад +2

      used to get them from Salford Crescent to Manchester Piccadilly they were always rammed but quite pleasant this was 14 years ago though :P

  • @LNER162
    @LNER162 Год назад +13

    Class 158/9s are my favourite DMU. I think they're quite important to BR history.
    Nice video 👍

    • @garybroadhurst3548
      @garybroadhurst3548 5 месяцев назад +1

      Yes, they were a game-changer when they were introduced and let's not forget they're 32 to 34 years old now! I don't like the fact that they replaced "real" loco-hauled trains on many services, but I guess that had to happen and perhaps many of those services wouldn't have survived without the 158. I used to commute from Stalybridge to Leeds on them around 1997/98 and they were just fine for that regional-express role. Some of the more recent refurbishments have spoilt them but they used to be quite comfortable and relaxing. I'm travelling on a 159 in Frist on Waterloo-Exeter next week and I'm looking forward to it.

    • @LNER162
      @LNER162 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@garybroadhurst3548 Interesting stuff. Hope you enjoy your journey. Have a nice day

  • @kieranstravels
    @kieranstravels Год назад +10

    I absolutely adore the 185s. They're essentially just exactly what the 180 could've been, and I'm extremely happy to say that they shall be returning to my local line after a half a decade absense with the new cleethorpes services from December. I certainly agree a lot more with these rankings compared to part, 195s don't get enough appriciation (Especially after they made the ironing boards better with new padding recently) and the turbostars are genuinely some of my favourite train designs of all time.
    Thanks for a great video mate!

  • @SouthWestRailEnthusiast
    @SouthWestRailEnthusiast Год назад +6

    I think the 159s are the best. They sound amazing, they look quite good however the class 220/221/222 does look better and sound better. But also the class 159 from SWR the air conditioning is AMAZING! Also it is comfy ish and I just like it. Anyway nice video!

  • @AviatorJames747
    @AviatorJames747 Год назад +7

    185s definitely belong at number 1, always look forward to riding on them from Hull to Leeds or Manchester! Not sure about 168s "looking great" however!

  • @britishboi1239
    @britishboi1239 Год назад +8

    Having been on a couple of 185s this year I can confirm they are brilliant definitely an upgrade over the 158s and 175s that I usually travel on, the only DMU I've been on that gets anywhere close Is the 196 and Even then I prefer the 185 and the 196s aren't in full service yet

  • @ConfusedOxygen
    @ConfusedOxygen Год назад +3

    Honestly I can’t say I agree with the class 170 because I don’t know if this is just the northern ones, but I’ve not found them to be comfy at all, I’d give them a 5 for that. I’d much prefer a class 158/155 if I’m honest. Great video!

  • @jakepope3725
    @jakepope3725 Год назад +1

    Keep up the fantastic videos!!

  • @joemercedeschannel196
    @joemercedeschannel196 10 месяцев назад

    I'm glad you're very happy with the 172. I do agree on their comfort. When riding over points you feel the joints on the track.

  • @hesterclapp9717
    @hesterclapp9717 Год назад +2

    I've been on a 168 where the sound barrier rattled noisily when accelerating, rather ironically

  • @171trains
    @171trains Год назад +1

    Still think no DMU can beat a turbostar thrash (also nice to see the 185s getting some well deserved love)

  • @TheMaldivianTrios
    @TheMaldivianTrios 4 месяца назад +1

    In my opinion the Class 185s and the Class 170 Turbostars are my favorite DMUs

  • @legoisthebest001SCR
    @legoisthebest001SCR Год назад +3

    The XC turbos really need a refurbishment in my opinion.

    • @GWVillager
      @GWVillager  Год назад +2

      They certainly do, as does everything with XC to be honest.

  • @chrismoore4423
    @chrismoore4423 Год назад +2

    221’s with CrossCountry are as abysmal as their 220’s and don’t tilt and some reduced to four cars. Completely inappropriate for long distance routes - crowded and in urgent need of refurbishment. (Avanti’s 221’s may be better!)

  • @georgedowns4034
    @georgedowns4034 Год назад +3

    I honestly don't believe u were serious when u said the class 158 is ugly...

  • @echo-eh8jz
    @echo-eh8jz Год назад +1

    Another great videi GW, but we can all agree that the 377 is better than them all!

    • @GWVillager
      @GWVillager  Год назад

      Ah well, we'll have to wait and see in the EMU video.

  • @Andrewjg_89
    @Andrewjg_89 Год назад +1

    The Class 185 Desiro built by Siemens are the best. If only Siemens would manufactured more Class 1xx Desiro DMUs for South Western Railway, Great Western Railway, West Midlands Trains, ScotRail, Transport for Wales Rail and East Midlands Railway.
    But West Midlands Trains have ordered the Class 196 Civity for West Midlands Railway to replace the Class 170 Turbostars to EMR (with some cascaded from TfW and GTR Southern (formerly Class 171)). And TfW also ordered the Civity Class 197.

  • @CPTrains
    @CPTrains Год назад +5

    I do love the 185, their interior is nice and that interior would be perfect for the 360/1s on EMR imo.

  • @stepheng7586
    @stepheng7586 Год назад +1

    I would pick a 175 over a 195. If the 195s had better seats,modifications to the bogies and a toilet per carriage they would be world beaters.

  • @IndigoJo
    @IndigoJo Год назад

    I know someone who lives in Cornwall and his son spent a long time in hospital in Birmingham and had no use the Voyager DMUs to visit him and he said they were terrible - too short for a long-distance stopping train (which both cross-country and London-based trains are in that part of the country) and would always be packed well before it got out of Devon. He eventually resorted to taking the plane out of Newquay. All the late BR and privatisation era trains have this problem, including the 158/159s; cramped layout, too few carriages. They are built for economy, not for passenger comfort on long journeys. Anyone with good words to say about today's long-distance multiple units never travelled on a train in the 20th century. The only advantage the new trains offer is wheelchair accessibility (which could be provided in decent spacious carriages, they just chose not to) - everything else about them is inferior. The 442s on the Wessex main lines are the only exception; they looked and felt like inter-city trains and should have been used (obviously adapted for current or lack thereof) more widely.

  • @RedGloworm
    @RedGloworm Год назад +5

    I kinda want to see your rating scoring system applied to the Class 150

    • @GWVillager
      @GWVillager  Год назад +7

      Just for this one!
      Aesthetics: 2
      Sounds: 3
      Performance: 5
      Passenger Comfort: 2
      Reliability: 7
      Ride Quality: 3
      Purpose: 2

  • @rikipondi
    @rikipondi Год назад +2

    You need to do an EMU ranking video...

  • @Blackburnian737
    @Blackburnian737 Год назад +1

    Nice video, agree with the 170 ranking, always were provided good comfort and space on the Borders railway. Like the 158 to but I always found them a bit loud for longer journeys. Are the class 231's in service yet with TFW? I believe they would count as a DMU in these videos? Also would love videos like this for Bi mode and fully electric.

    • @GWVillager
      @GWVillager  Год назад +1

      The Class 231s will enter service in December if I remember correctly (it may well be later than that), so I’ll review them in depth when they arrive.

  • @mudchute4dlr
    @mudchute4dlr 8 месяцев назад

    1:07 this train be resting in the field

  • @MaidaValeTom
    @MaidaValeTom Год назад +1

    Using the same ranking system but based on my own views/experience (I've ridden on every unit type at least 2+ times excluding the 155/230) I've compiled my own list, this time including the 196 as I've been on it more than twice.
    Class 156 - 22
    Class 155 - 26
    Class 165/Class 180 - 27
    Class 153 - 33
    Class 166 - 34
    Class 150/Class 175 - 36
    Class 170/171 - 37
    Class 139 - 38
    Class 230 - 39
    Class 172 - 41
    Class 168 - 42
    Class 185 - 43
    Class 220 - 44
    Class 195 - 46
    Class 158 - 47
    Class 221 - 48
    Class 159 - 49
    Class 196 - 50
    Class 222 - 52

    • @GWVillager
      @GWVillager  Год назад +1

      222 in first! Wow, I wasn't expecting that, nor the 170s being so low. The 196s seem to fair well, I'll have to see what I think.

    • @MaidaValeTom
      @MaidaValeTom Год назад +1

      @@GWVillager All the rankings I gave also take into account their general current usage and an average of interiors spread across all operators. I find the 170s tiresome, I commuted on them for a few years and was not impressed at all. I think the 170s could have potential to rank higher if they were refurbished/specified to a really good standard, although currently no operator spec comes even close to that.

  • @chunheiso5806
    @chunheiso5806 Год назад +1

    Now we need a ranking all the BiMU and EMU video

  • @strikeyz
    @strikeyz Год назад +1

    A version of this for EMUs???

  • @keirrobinson4156
    @keirrobinson4156 Год назад

    The aesthetics score for the class 168/0 is extremely generous. I never liked the 185s either, especially when they were used on Manchester-Scotland services. They were never going to be suitable for that.

  • @Thomas_TdK
    @Thomas_TdK Год назад +1

    If you do an other list i presume it will be an emu list. But my question is, what about the bi-mode trains? If they get their own list, i think it will be really short. Anyway, this was a step up from part one. The extra info on the trains is very usefull if you don't know all the classes.

  • @martinconnerty1201
    @martinconnerty1201 Год назад +1

    The world's best DMUs in my opinion were the class 253s/254s, of which XC have a handful of 253s left so they count 😉.

  • @313rail
    @313rail Год назад +1

    185... MY FAVOURITE TRAIN!???!

  • @kristinajendesen7111
    @kristinajendesen7111 6 месяцев назад

    I used to drive the 158s & 159s out of Salisbury. The original 1st class seats 💺 red at the time, were more comfortable than the blue ones that replaced them. Std were blue but the lovely comfort remained the same when they changed the colour. Sadly SWRs unnecessary refurbishment means the Std seats are not as comfortable 😢 Not that I go that way much now, I live in Bournemouth and am stuck with the Disastros, Std being more comfortable than the bolt upright, non reclining 1st seats. Still not great though but much better than a 220.
    I detest those 220 seats that you like but the far superior 222s are quite comfortable. Back in 2000 Brian Souter offered to double most of the single line track back between Salisbury & Pinhoe, up the line speeds to 100mph from Basingstoke down and introduce Meridian units for the West of England.
    The then Labour government including Transport Secretary Lord John (I would never accept a peerage), Prescott turned him down 🙄 It would have been a fantastic service and a rival to the Western route from Exeter to London. As it was our fares were around half the price for that route especially a First Class season ticket. I could never understand why SWT didnt advertise that fact and capitalise on it.

  • @butikimbo9595
    @butikimbo9595 Год назад

    Forgot to mention Bi-Mode sets that when on diesel mode behave as diesel multiple units, therefore should have their say though. Many commuters traveling between Manchester and Leeds hardly can experience Trans Pennine Express Hitach Nova 1 class 8... and as such will only rate them as diesels qhen in fact their primary power is electric but most of them do not know.

  • @Sophiebryson510
    @Sophiebryson510 Год назад +1

    3rd! Also i quite like the avanti 221s

  • @JScot92
    @JScot92 Год назад +1

    No doubt 158s are better engineered for long distance comfort than a lot of DMUs out there, but maybe they just need to be better maintained. Scotrail runs then on my local line and aircon is non existent so they're sweatboxes in summer, and the heating always seems feeble so they're slightly cool in winter.

  • @mudchute4dlr
    @mudchute4dlr 8 месяцев назад

    The 185 is great, but i think its more suited for regional express than intercity

  • @joe12_3
    @joe12_3 Год назад

    Congratulations on 1k subs! 🎉

  • @hoof2001
    @hoof2001 Год назад +2

    You’re a bit like Jago hazzard. No bad thing imo

  • @EGPFAviation
    @EGPFAviation Год назад

    So nice to see Part 2! Your channel is very insightful and entertaining at the same time. Would it be possible to do the EMUs after this?

    • @EGPFAviation
      @EGPFAviation Год назад

      Also, I love how the 158 got 58/70 and the 159 got 59/70!

    • @GWVillager
      @GWVillager  Год назад +2

      Thank you very much! EMUs will definitely be coming, but it’s some way down the line.

    • @EGPFAviation
      @EGPFAviation Год назад

      @@GWVillager Of course, take your time!

  • @Olivers-trains
    @Olivers-trains Год назад +2

    195s are horrible on certain routes like the Penistone line where more bumps can be felt more than on the class 150s

    • @ConfusedOxygen
      @ConfusedOxygen Год назад +1

      They work very well on the york-Leeds line

    • @Olivers-trains
      @Olivers-trains Год назад +2

      @@ConfusedOxygen I do admit they were nice on that line, but on certain line they don't work well

    • @JustClickApprove92
      @JustClickApprove92 Год назад +1

      @@ConfusedOxygen these are the routes they should be kept to. I think they’re horrible trains, some of the worst on the network, for me

    • @ConfusedOxygen
      @ConfusedOxygen Год назад +1

      @@JustClickApprove92 I can’t say much in this area as I’m used to class 170s (crap on my local line) and the 195s were like heaven compared to the 170s on mine, but I’ve only gone York-Leeds on the 195s so I don’t have much experience

    • @JustClickApprove92
      @JustClickApprove92 Год назад +1

      @@ConfusedOxygen I use class 170s fairly regularly, they’re a little dated but much suitable to the journeys they do than the 195s, but that’s just me

  • @ThePennineWanderer
    @ThePennineWanderer Год назад +1

    I totally agree with this, 185s are definitely the best!

  • @Olivers-trains
    @Olivers-trains Год назад +1

    185s are brilliant, I am hoping that Northern get them

  • @JacobOhlssonBudinger
    @JacobOhlssonBudinger Год назад +2

    what on earth is a one third two third door?

    • @GWVillager
      @GWVillager  Год назад +1

      Door positioning where the doors aren’t located at the ends of the coaches but rather 1/3 and 2/3s of the way along the body side. The Class 170 in the thumbnail has 1/3 2/3 doors as an example.

    • @JacobOhlssonBudinger
      @JacobOhlssonBudinger Год назад +1

      @@GWVillager oh. isn’t that fairly normal for the uk?

    • @GWVillager
      @GWVillager  Год назад +1

      Yeah it’s reasonably common, though I’m still not much of a fan of it.

  • @raybrown2197
    @raybrown2197 Год назад +1

    The ride quality is partly down to rail conditions

    • @GWVillager
      @GWVillager  Год назад

      Yes, though the main factor is the train if you ask me.

  • @YorksLancsTransportHub
    @YorksLancsTransportHub Год назад +3

    Only the Northern 158s look ugly I think SWR, GWR and EMR have a very good design. The scotrail ones and the ex scotrail ones on Northern are alright.

  • @ashleyjiscool
    @ashleyjiscool Год назад +1

    Yesssssss this is out

  • @daud1740
    @daud1740 Год назад +1

    158/159 are goated

  • @tomwatts703
    @tomwatts703 Год назад

    Personally I'd drop the 170s down purely because of capacity, I take them regularly on the Birmingham-Peterborough route and often the 2-coach 170s just don't have the capacity for it. On the other hand though I remember travelling to Lincoln on an EMR 156 once, and then being grateful to see a 170 on the return leg!

    • @GWVillager
      @GWVillager  Год назад

      That's really a Cross Country being underfunded thing, a 2 or 3 coach 170 holds up fine compared to similar length trains. Arguably, their pros have increased demand such to the level where they can no longer cope, so perhaps they're good at bringing up passenger numbers on under-performing routes.

  • @soupcan7274
    @soupcan7274 Год назад +1

    can you do the new categorical ranking system with the lower-ranked DMUs you did in the first episode?

    • @GWVillager
      @GWVillager  Год назад +1

      I'd have to remake the video so I think it's unlikely, though I might add a pinned comment with my rankings for each train.

    • @soupcan7274
      @soupcan7274 Год назад +1

      @@GWVillager that'd still be good

    • @ashleyjiscool
      @ashleyjiscool Год назад +1

      @@GWVillager can you make a video on all the old retired dmu trains you have been on?

    • @GWVillager
      @GWVillager  Год назад +1

      @@ashleyjiscool That's a good idea, I might add it to the list.

  • @313rail
    @313rail Год назад +1

    Please do emus

  • @Trainspotter_Casey
    @Trainspotter_Casey Год назад +1

    So wheres the EMU's

  • @74HC138
    @74HC138 Год назад +1

    Worcester Foregate Street @1:35 :-)

  • @butikimbo9595
    @butikimbo9595 Год назад

    Class 185 is the black sheep of desiro family because is the only disel thus the "disturbing" member of the family when is bed time. Lol.

  • @butikimbo9595
    @butikimbo9595 Год назад

    I am just wondering how Transport for Wales plan (if so...) to continue their First Class express services as class 197s are standard class interiors only. No buffet counter compartment though. Maybe time for Trans Pennine Express transfer all or part of their useless Mark 5A sets to this T.O.C. that certainly will give much more use of this sets that in Manchester i have not seen for a while do a single passengers service.

    • @andrewphillips9391
      @andrewphillips9391 Год назад

      I believe the 3 car version has 1st class, God knows why.

  • @oliverstemp9132
    @oliverstemp9132 Год назад +1

    I think Chiltern should have ordered more 168s rather than 165s

    • @GWVillager
      @GWVillager  Год назад +1

      Chiltern thinks the same, but they inherited the fleet of 165s and now the 168s are out of production so there is little they can do.

  • @thomasdack5535
    @thomasdack5535 Год назад

    I'm offended by the low ranking of the 175 😂

  • @ronniedelahoussayechauvin6717
    @ronniedelahoussayechauvin6717 Год назад +1

    I don't know anything about these Trains. They all look nice. I'm from the USA✋🏻🇺🇸

  • @bigmacntings7451
    @bigmacntings7451 Год назад

    the 185's would be the perfect dmu if they had a lighter axle load,and end gangways.
    the high axle load means they can't use sprinter speeds on the mainline,meaning theres a lot of places they will actually lose time compared to a 158.
    750hp per car is complete overkill though!!!! the same powerplant is used on the 220/221/222 so it's not utilised fully as a 100mph unit.

    • @GWVillager
      @GWVillager  Год назад

      Indeed, they really don't need to be 750hp. It does mean they can often run with an engine off to keep things quiet though.

  • @bobulousgaming5353
    @bobulousgaming5353 Год назад

    Yay part 2

  • @danielbryan7378
    @danielbryan7378 2 месяца назад

    I would've liked a more in depth analysis of the engine capacity and horsepower etc however, I would like to ask this. The original DMU's like the 101 for instance had a locomotive at either end regardless of how many carriages. However modern DMU's like the 185 for instance have an engine for every carriage. WHY? It would save a third of diesel costs if each 3 carriage train had a rolling carriage in the middle of both engine carriages. Are you telling me these trains can't pull one or two rolling carriages (without engines) on a normal service? I need this question answering. It's frustrating. 😄

    • @GWVillager
      @GWVillager  2 месяца назад

      Modern trains have far higher performance requirements than early DMUs. To take the 101 and 185, for example, the latter has to get up to 100mph, and do so very quickly, whereas the 101s had a max. speed of 70mph, which they rarely reached. Then there is air conditioning, electrics etc. which modern trains have to supply too.
      Reliability is also a major factor. Distributing the load amongst 3 engines, rather than 2, reduces wear, and, in the event of an engine failure, the train can still keep to time quite well. In fact, the 185s have such powerful engines that they usually operate with one switched off, and still function fine.

    • @danielbryan7378
      @danielbryan7378 2 месяца назад

      @@GWVillager Thank you for such a swift and comprehensive reply. We could debate this topic forever 😆It just seemed inefficient to me but if you say they quite often operate with one engine switched off that would make sense for fuel efficiency I guess.

  • @alisonjones2740
    @alisonjones2740 Год назад

    The doors on the 158 and 159 are very narrow

  • @railwaymedialondon
    @railwaymedialondon Год назад +1

    no 755?

    • @GWVillager
      @GWVillager  Год назад +1

      The 755s are bi-mode, and will probably get their own video.

  • @adamashelby7033
    @adamashelby7033 Год назад +1

    Aaaand next up: ranking all of britains emus 😂

  • @OllieMJT27
    @OllieMJT27 Год назад +1

    only 90 MPH have you met the 165/0

    • @GWVillager
      @GWVillager  Год назад +1

      Indeed it's not great, but the 165/0 isn't designed for the sort of routes the 158 runs.

  • @MatthewHarding007
    @MatthewHarding007 Год назад +1

    eyyyy my local train won

  • @katiehibbard2727
    @katiehibbard2727 4 месяца назад

    I love the 221 and would put it in 1st

  • @The_Untitled
    @The_Untitled 4 месяца назад +1

    How can you say the 158 is ugly >:(

  • @alanmusicman3385
    @alanmusicman3385 Год назад

    For me, 158/159 always right up there in any ranking.

  • @butikimbo9595
    @butikimbo9595 Год назад

    Class 158 and 159 have some bumpy ride compared to older Sprinter familly and engine is very noisy.

  • @bigdunc228
    @bigdunc228 Год назад

    175 should be top of the pops

  • @lj671
    @lj671 10 месяцев назад

    185s are by far the best train in the country.

  • @xxalexaviation
    @xxalexaviation Год назад

    I think you did the 172 dirty like 170 and 171 are blek

  • @TheGodfatherUk
    @TheGodfatherUk 6 месяцев назад

    Class 185's are mint! astonishing more didn't get ordered. I mean Northern getting these 195 CAF's or as I call it, "cheap as fuck" trains.

    • @GWVillager
      @GWVillager  6 месяцев назад

      Sadly, that's probably the reason no more 185s were ordered. They were very expensive.

    • @TheGodfatherUk
      @TheGodfatherUk 6 месяцев назад

      @@GWVillager quality isn't cheap as I'd say.
      I would have thought given they spend less time being serviced the cost would work out cheaper. Those 195 for example have a shorter maintenance schedule and let's not start with the 180s lol

  • @JustClickApprove92
    @JustClickApprove92 Год назад +1

    Disagree with 8th, I don’t think the 195s should be anywhere near the top 15th. They’re lacking in so many areas. The only redeeming quality they have is the acceleration

    • @GWVillager
      @GWVillager  Год назад +1

      They're really not all that bad in my view, but you have to remember how small the list is, so 8th isn't actually that high up.

    • @JustClickApprove92
      @JustClickApprove92 Год назад +1

      @@GWVillager I genuinely cannot stand them, and for two reasons, the seating is among the most uncomfortable I’ve ever experienced, I got one last month between Wigan & Swinton and had to sit leaning forward, my back was hurting that much, and the ride quality is bordering horrific, to the extent that you can’t ignore it, even sitting in the centre of the carriage, you can still here the jolting and clonking. I honestly have a most comfortable journey on a class 150

    • @GWVillager
      @GWVillager  Год назад +1

      @@JustClickApprove92 The ride quality is indeed dire, and the seats are bad. But... they've been specified quite well, look amazing, have good toilets and interior ambience, and the seating layout is surprisingly good too.

    • @JustClickApprove92
      @JustClickApprove92 Год назад +1

      @@GWVillager for me, the riding quality and seats are so bad that it’s difficult to look at the good things the train has, though I don’t agree with the comments about the ambience or the interior, the acceleration on these things are very impressive

    • @andrewphillips9391
      @andrewphillips9391 Год назад

      I was surprised just how bad the ride is on them and the 331s. As bad as a 1st generation DMU or class 304 emu motor car (showing my age there!) On a new train, that's inexcusable.

  • @kevinpoulton
    @kevinpoulton Год назад

    The 185 was always too small for TPE .to the piont I would let then pass and get the Northern from Sheffield to doncaster now they are dubble up is lot better should been 6 coach train from the start

  • @Finley_Stuff
    @Finley_Stuff 9 месяцев назад

    HOW DARE YOU PUT THE 168 IN 3RD!

  • @spottymaxy1628
    @spottymaxy1628 Год назад +1

    yay

  • @butikimbo9595
    @butikimbo9595 Год назад

    Bombardier Voyager trains familly that includes class 222 Meridian have a terrible downside, their very noisy engine that once powers electric generator reves to its maximum power in a constant and annoying way like an airplane flying on cruise altitude. Very bad.

  • @jollerclausen281
    @jollerclausen281 Год назад +1

    Yoooo early

  • @therealextra1
    @therealextra1 Год назад

    First!