Jamal Adams has Become Persona Nongrata in Seattle
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- Опубликовано: 25 дек 2023
- Nearly four years ago, the Seahawks made the biggest trade in their franchise history, sending two 1st round picks and a third to the New York Jets for Jamal Adams. The cost was high, but the anticipation for what Jamal could bring to the defense had most Seahawks fans happy to do the deal. Now as Jamal is just about to wrap up his four season in Seattle it appears the trade has failed, and Jamal looks to being cut from the team. It's not all his fault. Injuries and misuse factor in, but the bottom line is Jamal has become Persona Nongrata in Seattle.
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Man that was just depressing. It's like we broke him but they paid him big time it's amazing we are as successful as we are after the Graham and Adams trade debacles. That really cost the team some draft capital with crap all to show for it,geeze. Great explanation video
I always like to remember our closest rivals traded up for a qb whos not on the roster anymore. Yeah it sucks. But we’ll move forward
JAMAL ADAMS WILL GLADLY LEAVE SEATTLE AFTER THE SEAHAWKS PAY HIM TO LEAVE
JIMMY GRAHAM MADE 2 PRO BOWLS FOE THE SEAHAWKS AND HAD 95 RECEPTIONS 1 SEASON., JIMMY GRAHAM CAUGHT 10 TD PASSES 1 SEASON
ARE YOU USING THE ANTI BLACK RACIAL RULER 📐 ON BLACK PLAYERS
Don't forget other smash hits like trading for Percy Harvin or drafting Malik McDowell, Rashaad Penny, and LJ Collier with premium picks!
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Jamal Adams definitely needs to go. It's just not all of his Play It's the Antics also. You hit the nail on the head, when you said he dances like a peacock, after a normal stop.
He sure does. Adams needs to go back to a losing record team to look good again
Excellent and spot-on factual video - well done! I can’t imagine what team would want this guy in their locker room let alone his ever growing baggage of injuries!
Thanks, Greg!
Adams really hasnt played for us for years.. i dont count on him to play
I appreciate this video quite much! It has definitely helped me as Hawks fan understand the Jamal Adams situation currently. And I thank you for it💯
Thank you, Silver!
2:48 Damn Jimmy Graham what a nice highlight. You giving me some PTSD with some Tre Flowers in the clips. I think Jamal's quad injury limits his ability to move in only a straight line.
The woman wasn't a yikes, Jamal Adams coverage was/is.
Finally. It's insane cause then Graham, Harvin and Adams were literally my favorite players of all time and the Hawks signing them only confirmed that this was my favorite team of all time. Now I see how that was a huge liability. In true team fashion this team has taught me that getting everything we want isn't the way.
That sucks... Good video.
Damn shame. Next man up!! Go hawks
Go Hawks!
Loved jamals grit before we got him. The trade was very VERY hefty due to the return but regardless when we got him i was excited. His contract made absolutely no sense due to his return but the simple fact is he has literally robbed us. Goodbye jamal. I wish i turned out differently for a potential kam replacement. Go hawks baby💚💙
I've been saying this all season long.
Folks, there is a great big red stamp on Adams' personnel jacket that says 'SQUISHY'. If it was okay to say that about Rashaad Penny and if it still is okay to wonder about Tua, then Adams is **certainly** a candidate for that conversation.
Non-Fun Fact: Jamal Adams has played LESS than half of the 77 games he's been eligible to play for the Seahawks. He has **never** been available to play in the Playoffs for anybody. Seattle has paid that guy to go to rehab, and that's frikkin' all.
A very interesting point about the Seahawks this season is that they are leading the NFC in sacks. Jamal Adams also hasn't blitzed that much this year and hasn't been consistently on the field. It's funny how we signed Adams to beef up the pass rush, and YEARS later, we aren't needing him as much because we have players like Boye Mafe (and Nwosu when he's healthy).
Julian Love is much better at strong safety in zone coverage and has been much more impactful in pass defense. He's faster and better in zone coverage. He's got 4 interceptions this year, two in one game alone against the Eagles. He had some noteworthy hits in the Titans game as well.
I feel like the personnel we have now is reducing Jamal's impact (when on the field). I really love Jamal as a player, but his injuries and performance as a true strong safety make him a liability. We've simply got better options that fit the Seahawks' style of defense.
(I just checked that Seahawks actually tie the 49ers at 1st in the NFC at 45 sacks, please don't come after me)
losing jamal has been addition by subtraction. he certainly made an impact when he played: teams attacked him and won.
I think Brandon makes a good point in that even the year Jamal set the sack record, they were primarily "Scheme" sacks which usually resulted in Wagner or KJ covering wide receivers and backing out of the box leaving us with two problems. Ask yourself, why did the Jets want to trade him if was such a great player? He always had a rep as a "Clubhouse Lawyer" and that's been on display here too. When we picked him up, I had never seen him play and by the end of the first game here I wish that trend would have continued.
Nice take Brandon and professionally done as usual. It's too bad Mr. Adams was never able to demonstrate the same level of professionalism that Mr. Cain has.
Thank you, John. And very well said. Recording that sack record at the cost of those holes you mention in coverage meant that part of his game wasn't bringing a net benefit to the defense.
The Adams trade and passing Creed Humphries for Eskridge were stupid decisions that cost us who knows how much.
Offences adjusted to Jamal whenever he was at the line of scrimmage, that’s why he became ineffective there. His lack of pass coverage ability is the reason the Seahawks should never have traded for him. He was a flashy player who Pete liked, one of his biggest mistakes at the Hawks. Just imagine who the Hawks could have had for those picks they traded.
Yeah, this one sucks because it was just a bad fit for both parties. The problem was that we spent SO MUCH to acquire him, there was that multi-season attempt to just jam that square peg through a round hole. And here we are....
It looks like a bad move now, but Seattle's pass rush was terrible when J was brought in. They had to do something and i don't know what other move was out there. He kicked ass until he got injured. Then the scheme changed.
Draft better?
@@iron_bison No need to draft after Seattle got Adams. He was doing the job he was brought in to do. The fans were screaming from the rooftops "Pete can't coach! Schneider needs to go! The defense sucks!" so they got a blitzing safety and Adams kicked ass until the injuries. One of the very few guys who could chase down a back like Mixon from the backside for a loss. Incredible impactive player, exactly what Seattle needed after Freeny & Clowney moved on. By the time he got back on the field the scheme had changed and he found himself in deep coverage rather than those key blitzes that helped the Hawks earlier.
I dont think we should ever trade a big name anymore. In fact the opposite has almost always made sense - like sending russ to broncos gave us many good trades and picks. This team can't be built without an equal footing.
ya know. it was a swing and a miss. but at least we swung. we as seahawks fans have to stop living in the past. we didnt trade for Adams thinkin he gonna miss all these games. doesnt really feel like we were set back from the trade. and if that is the case the wilson trade negates it. its like living with the intereception for the loss in the superbowl. just gotta get over it. if Adams didnt fall apart. great things were bound to happen. whats a shame is that its ending this way. he hasnt had an offseason in awhile where he is just training and not rehabing. either way id rather keep Leonard Williams goin forward. nice video brando. go hawks
Thanks, Nik. Well said and Go Hawks!
After watching this, the Jamal Funko Pop I had on the shelf with DK and Largent is now in stroage
I don’t think he lost the love of the game I just think the injuries plus the horrendous scheme has taken away his ability. He used to be pretty good in coverage against tight ends and half backs now he’s not and he just doesn’t have the same speed or power when rushing
And congrats on the march to 15k.
Thanks, John. Almost there!
Very true analysis… time to cut ties
You know, it's really sad that the biggest trade in our franchise history wasn't for a QB, or a DT or even a RB. It was for a friggin safety, a position that is by definition supposed to be the last line of defense. In other words, if your defense is at all effective, the safeties really shouldn't be that involved, let alone warrant such a big deal. I could understand if we planned to be "innovative" with Jamal, that was the only thing that made the trade tolerable, but outside of one season where we HAD to use him because we had negative pass rush, we really tried to hide his deficiencies. What is even more intolerable is I distinctly remember our DC preach in the off season how we were going to feature him....I don't think having him solo cover #1 wide receivers was what we had in mind. If we don't move on from him I will take it as a further sign that this front office is inept.
Adams was in no way the biggest trade in franchise history. That trade would definitely be the trade with the Houston Oilers for Steve Largent for a future 8th round pick. I'd also have to say the the trades for Matt Hasselbeck and Marshawn Lynch were also bigger trades as well.
@@Roger-rs1fwin terms of compensation is what I meant
Great video. I never bought the "not using him right" argument though. Coverage is king. If he can't do it, what are we paying him for?
The lesson here for NFL GMs seems to be that moving multiple 1st rounders in any deal is a big risk. Probably save deals like that for a QB or a star DT. Anything else don't even think about it.
Nice piece and its time to part ways
Thanks, Theo
It's too bad, but it's football. We should keep Love out there. Injuries have cooked Jamal.
Accurate and fair
What’s really annoying is the fact they really don’t even need him to play safety anymore😂 Love and Diggs can more than handle things back there so why he can still be listed as a safety play him in the box. He can guard flats, QB spy, blitz, guard RBs. It seems like he’d be much better moving to a full time position like that. The only problem is idk if his body can handle that atp
GO HAWKS!!!
Can’t wait
While true we didn’t use him correctly, I think it’s more injuries that has derailed him. Never could’ve predicted that he would’ve been injury prone when we traded for him
Say what you will about Jamal. At least he tried to catch the ball with his face. Repeatedly.
Imagine who we would have picked with those 2 first and third
We also traded first round players who went on to be very successful. The F***-up with the Adams trade has never been fully disclosed. It would break records of incompetence that have not been seen yet.
This trade will go down as the 2nd dumbest decision in the Pete & John Era... first was the pass call in SB49 on the 1yd line and then this beauty of a trade that not only stripped us of two 1st picks but paid this benchwarmer over $18 mill a season and crushed our ability to build a contender just imagine this team with how well they drafted with 2 extra impact full 1st rd players to add to the roster and the extra $18 mill a season to throw around at free agents.... I did not want this trade to begin with and still judge Pete & John for making...
I don't like the misuse narrative or comparison angle. Jimmy broke Hawk TE records for catches, yardage, and TD's. So what if he never developed into an effective blocker as they hoped, and u conveniently failed to mention he was money in the red zone. That is not misuse and he wasn't a trade bust. JA was not misused either, they only stopped using as blitzing safety because he couldn't stay healthy doing so. At 200 lbs his body just couldn't hold up mixing it up in the box so often and it finally caught up with him, and since he couldn't do it effectively they kept him in deep coverage as a normal safety should be able to do, but he is terrible at it as everyone can see now. This is not misuse from coaches, it was just the unfortunate circumstance they found themselves in.
I 've never heard any call Jimmy G a bust til this vid.
Hans, the points I raise in the video with Jimmy, is he was used a certain way with the Saints, and I specifically pointed to the way he was used, and then the Seahawks traded for him to move him to a different role that he was not well suited. It's not an edgy take. It's pretty well understood. Does it mean Jimmy didn't provide some contributions? No. But it was a dumb process to make that kind of trade when that was their intention. The same has been true with Jamal. It makes zero sense for the coaches to stop blitzing Jamal because they're worried that will get him injured (That's just your feeling btw, you don't have anything to back that point of view up), while also putting him deep coverage which he has shown over and over is a big fail when put into that position. He also has just as much as chance as being injured on any play, blitzing or not.
@@TheHawksNest12thman Jimmy was used to catch footballs both from in line TE or split out. He caught passes in NO as well. He broke records in Sea for TE's, he was not misused. JA is not the same player as when he first arrived, either by injury or whatever is limiting his ability, it's clear to see and understandable why coaches weren't sending him to rush as much or at all recently. It's not because coaches all of a sudden just wanted to put him back in coverage for the hell of it, they aren't stupid, they loved his pass rush ability. And he wasn't strictly a pass rusher in NY, he did play the normal strong safety in coverage, duh. He has not been misused, he just isn't usable anymore. You don't have any more insight than me, so your opinion is a just a feeling too buddy, and I think it's wrong. The only think u got right is JA won't be in Sea next year.
I think we move Jamal to linebacker, next to Bobby for rest of season, see what he does there?
Start love for playoffs if we make it. I think we got a real chance to make some noise if the seahawks play a team like philli or dallas.
The one thing that’s hard to explain is how John consistently misses at least one time every year or two really badly in free agency. We’ll get a Cliff Avril or Chris Clemons…and we’ll get a Jimmy Graham and Percy Harvin…all while letting go key players for no reason. Some work out and are stars. Some are trash we don’t know how to use and will refuse to use or even try to use them appropriately, assuming they have any actual value to begin with.
In my opinion he has been injured so many times he's not able to be the player he once was some injuries take a long time to recover from some players are never the same
I've been saying and thinking that for quite awhile and when recently voicing it to another RUclipsr, whom I previously respected, his response was to insult me and allege that I've probably never played football, which he was wrong about, . My football experience is nothing of what Jamaal Adams has had, having never made it past Semi-pro ball, but I was a good athlete and know the game quite well and I have been a decent coach, having a good understanding of the game and where certain talent is appropriately placed. That commentator seems to be coming to the same conclusion now. He's usually a good analyst, but is rude and arrogant. I rarely watch him anymore.
Adams ended up being similar to the wilson trade for Denver. Highly overpaid and highly underperformed. It happens! Hope he can get back to being a beast like he was 👍
My take is that he was never worth the trade at all, we overpaid him and honestly its gone ever worse than I had thought when the trade first happened.
Especially now that he has spent so much time on IR. The return on Seattle's investment in Adams is next to nil, given the price paid to obtain him.
good vid. sad the seahawks failed jamal. now it indeed appears to be too late. unlucky for everyone involved
oh please, jamal failed himself and the seahawks.
he's been low effort all year. won't commit to tackling or coverage. just lost out there. look at what the organization gave him and gave up for him. and to add insult to injury, he can't be humble when he's fallen off. the personal attack on twitter was classless move by jamal and appears was the last and final straw. the organization did everything they could to help him succeed, giving him multiple chances. but he's injury prone, fragile, afraid to commit, he's bad in coverage, and his passrush isn't good enough to compensate for losing a man in coverage. yes indeed it was a bad move by the seahawks, and it will continue to haunt pete and co. for awhile.
@@wickedgarden2037nah seattle coaching is horrible and only reason he has done bad
@@seanhaugen wrong. jamal adams is completely washed. cope more!
@@wickedgarden2037 jamal ain’t good but coaching is worse, happened w so many players we have brought in, they can’t coach good players
@@seanhaugen yes, agree that the coaching is terrible, whether it's waldron, hurtt or pete himself. but jamal has been a bust from early on, and he's only gotten worse. jamal and his fragility failed jamal.
He’s hurt. He can’t play efficiently. He’s not being held out.
I’d prefer to see a restructured contract. That is to say if he can reel in his anger. I think he still has juice and something to prove, but he needs to sign a team friendly deal and have loyalty to the team that was loyal to him. I believe when Pete says his injury is still hampering him, you can see he’s at least a step slower since the beginning of the season. I’m hoping he proves some haters wrong, and I’ve been critical when he was getting roasted deep of him and the scheme. But also if he can’t take a pay cut and have a team first attitude he probably will be gone
I thought it was a bad trade from the beginning (given what they were giving up), and it got worse after the Hawks were seduced by Adams' first year of sacks to give him huge bucks over time. It was clear even then that he was not a traditional safety, strong or free, because he was simply a liability in pass defense outside 10 years downfield. Add in the raft of injuries and the frustrations those injuries caused everybody, and it is very clearly the single worst personnel decision of this management group.
I continue to be concerned that the trade was made because management--especially Pete, ever the optimist--tried to wish the team into a "just one more player and we'll be in championship caliber" position. But wishes, however fervent, aren't facts. And I think that mindset was in play again, in a (thankfully) more minor way, when they recently traded a second round pick for Williams, on a rental! Best D-lineman on the team, but this team needs more rebuilding to truly compete, and Williams is going to cost big to re-sign. Tough to continue our rebuild with young, cheap talent but without draft picks, especially high ones...just a head-shakingly bad misjudgment on where we were, and are, as a team. We are decent, overall, but no more, and that does not win championships. Might make playoffs, but not more. Time to cut overly expensive players, and get down to rational, reasonable--if unglamorous--team building, through excellent drafts and judicious free agency gambles.
Unfortunately, injuries have robbed him. Pete has already sat him for good
Kam Chancellor is irreplacable!!!
I agreed. I said that last two years. He needs to go
That reporter's wife is... not bad. Just being respectful to the reporter 😅 Jamal had no base for that comment
yes jamal has struggled, but i think this video shows most how bad our coaching is, it’s very bad, oc is bad dc is bad and head coach is bad, we have got to many players we fail to use correctly and that’s all on coaching, i think misusing him has been the biggest reason for his struggles, i think we need to fire coaching before we move on from jamal, seattle coaching is toast and im tired of it
Can jamaal be traded instead of cut? I feel like there could be some teams that would give up capital for him
No team is going to trade for him considering his attitude problems and multiple injuries. Best move is to either restructure his contract or cut him.
@@geoffreybrooks1220more importantly his contract. Half the league will put up with you if you produce. Many questionable characters have been employed. The nfl isn’t some highly moral ethical employer 😂😂😂😂
I think they'll have to go the cut route, because they can then take his $20M of dead money and split it between two years. If you trade him, the dead money accelerates instantly.
Cut the chord!
Imagine if he just played Linebacker. lol
Always was from the jump, a bad hire with trouble written all over.
@@Johnnyprc He was a thug, prone to injury and passed his peak. It was difficult to predict that while he might have been useful in the short run (1 yr) that he would be an anvil around the Seahawks' neck for the rest of his contract. That's not even factoring in the impact he has on the clubhouse of his gangster mentality, on and off the field...a loud mouth bully. He was played at the top because he was old and fragile and couldn't sustain the hard knocks mixing it up from the middle. Playing from the top gave him a chance to act hard via cheap shots on unprotected receivers or finishing off running backs short receivers already slowed by LBs and DBs. He was a loser by the time Hawks got him. Why do you think the Jets parted ways? The Seahawks were suckers and got played by Adams and the Jets. Just one of many pathetic moves by Carroll. I hope Carroll carries Adam's bags while both are on the way out.
I can’t wait for Adams to be gone!
Never ever trade from the Jets. The Jets.
Remember what a beast Adams was? Seahawks need to free up that money.
Jamal was only a beast at jets. Petes defense and offense doesn’t change for any player graham, adams, etc…….
@@dontme5670 That’s exactly my point. A few games were all Seahawks got out of this deal.
I kept saying this. Let Jamal Adam's do what he does best. Pete Carrol is the problem.
Get rid of him or put him at linebacker.
I love him to death. Will defend his play style until the end of time. Blitzed him 20 percent of the time year 1. Set nfl record. Now blitzing him around half that at 10 percent? It’s astound the misuse and he gets blamed for it like he’s not playing with effort. Grown to be bitter towards fans who don’t see that also
HES LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK. like the chump he is
Seattle needs to stop trading for players. Seems like every trade just sucks!! Percy Harvin, Jamal Adams, Jimmy Graham, Deon Branch, Sheldon Richardson, Jadaveon Clowny and more. Just draft, keep the draft picks
Change him to a OLB ngl
The seahawks coaches are good at putting players in their worst position
I love Jamal ! Love him. Hate how this turned out for all of us.
blame the coaching
Blame Adams.@@seanhaugen
Goes to show how stupid the GM and coach blew it. And they keep doing it. Cut your losses and dump him.
You say misuse then don't say how it's not his fault.
Good bye, Jamal Adams.
Hated this trade from the start. He was never a ball hawk. Horrible in coverage. He’s basically and undersized line backer. They would set the table for him to get all those sacks sending 5 and 6 sometimes 7 rushers to justify the trade. He was Terrible from jump with his stone hands and over priced contract/trade value. Crippling move to the organization
Earl Thomas 2.0, it’s time to cut out the cancer and move on. Pay whatever the cost is to get him out of the locker room
He had the potential and the talent, but we just bought a sports car past warranty for top dollar. Gotta move on, it happens.
Can we PLEASE for the love of god get rid of him. What a nightmare.
Get rid of him and Geno.
He looks like a lost tourist out there. Hate this for him
I’ve been saying adams was trash… and people will always chime in and argue it, moral of the story? Fans are not smart primarily
They can't use hin to rush the passer anymore because he cant do it anymore. He can't get to the qb so there's no reason to keep blitzing him.
Get your info strait before you put it on RUclips
And you back this up based on what? Any proof or just bluster? Because I can show his 85pff pass rush grade this year and that doesn't align your feelings. The fact the Seahawks also blitz at a 32nd rate in the league on 6 man blitzes or more further illustrates the issue comes down to the team not wanting to blitz, which has gone on for years, regardless of Adams' presence on the team. The team is also blitzing at a bottom third league rate despite having well-graded players as blitzing pass rushers like Devon Witherspoon, Bobby Wagner, Julian Love and Jamal Adams, and again this is due to the hesitancy to blitz in general and Coach Carroll is very very risk adverse. Now, let's have some fun discourse TT. Give me some backing to your point of view, and maybe we can find some common ground. Or if you want to just puff out your chest and tell me what's up, you can do that too. The engagement helps me either way.
Adams only issue is he never could stay healthy because he uses his body like a hammer
Why?? This stuff is so negative and stupid. I love Jamal!
Thorough analysis isn't "stupid." You can love him, but the fact is he's getting burnt in coverage every game now.
So you're telling the problem is Pete Carroll, ok everyone knows that. He needs to retire.
I don’t care how much some wealthy organization has paid Jamal. I just don’t like having a guy hurt all the time or when he is not hurt, he is a liability to have in coverage or on the field period. Let’s stop being a dumping ground for overpaid, underperforming superstars.
He's been on IR almost the WHOLE time 🙄 move on
this a dumb video jamal is fine