🔥 5 BURNING Questions About Cedar Point's FUTURE!
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- The future of Top Thrill 2, Parking Lot Expansion, The Snake River Falls plot of land and so much more! I share with you my 5 BURNING Questions that I have About Cedar Point's FUTURE!
What does Cedar Point have planned in the future?
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Parking garages absolutely do not cost $1 Billion. 500 spaces would be something like $15-25 Million. Giant skyscrapers cost a billion dollars, not their garages.
He's full of it per usual, but the cost of a garage is cost prohibitive for a regional park upfront. It also has continued added cost. A garage takes much more maintenance, cleaning, and patrolling for safety.
@VampireInBlack Parking garages will not be feasible at Cedar Point. Getting in and out of the park will be more of a nightmare than it already is. Plus costs and maintenance upkeep, security protocols, staffing, climate controls this will NEVER HAPPEN.
@@timothykaczmarek5871 I agree. But staring that the one and only problem is the cost of $1 Billion is just not accurate. Maybe he was exaggerating and I didn’t pick up on the sarcasm
Cedar Point needs another dark ride SO BADLY
They also need a log flume ride as well. At one time cedar point had 2 log flumes.
I really want the snake river falls plot to be used for the station for a new B&M Hyper / Giga with 16 row trains. Frontier Town REALLY needs that added capacity and only B&M can provide that. Give it the Splashdown Diamondback has.
There's enough room there for a station and half the layout.
That sounds so boring and not of cedar point quality like valraven.
Cedar Point needs an S&S 4D, not a hyper or a second giga.
@@frankthecat1660 nobody is going to buy an S&S 4D in 2025 or probably ever again.
@@jasonkloos6348 can I borrow your crystal ball?
For the parking lot, i did actually have an idea of placing a parking garage right where the preferred parking is in front of gatekeeper. it could be between 7-15 stories up and have a spiral that cars will use to get to each level.
@@THEREALJOJO-kl6gd Not cost efficient to do.
No more land...maybe they need to start stacking rides like they do at Indiana Beach...😅..build skywards I guess.
Orrrrrrr......... Drain Lake Erie 😁
but like imagine they build a parking lot over the water tho like that would solve such a huge isusue
The park doesn't need to expand their footprint. Any talk of it is thoosie nonsense. Talk of parking garage or moving parking off the peninsula are pure Thoosie nonsense. First, CP has several spots within their current footprint to add coasters and rides. Also, in the future they have several aging coasters that will hit the end of their life cycle, become maintenance problems and /or just are not popular. Snake River falls met all these criteria and thus was removed.
Right, 12 of Cedar Points coasters are over 20 years old, and Maverick is closing in on 20 years. Moving parking off site would also mean there would have to be a shuttle services, which would take more staff, and a lot of buses to handle the crowds. Very expensive.
Right no one rode SNF and it was becoming a maintenance problem. Its just tiresome seeing such childish takes on everything parks do, like these enthusiasts think its all like Rollercoaster Tycoon.
I love your new series “Five Burning Questions” Please do a video for every park - even the small ones! 🏆🥇🙏🏽🥳
One of Cedar Point's worst seasons, but there is a ton of room to bounce back
How so? They had an amazing year attendance wise and revenue.
I feel like I’m living in a fever dream with tt2
Hi Theme park Recommendations I love the content you make you help our trip to Dollywood we had such a good time there I want to thank you me and my dad love going to cedar point we go every week and love all the rides unfortunately my dad passed away to a heart attack a week ago it’s been really hard I miss him so much I just wanted to say thank you we loved watching your videos you make keep up the great content!
Oh my. This comment is very deep. I am so sorry to hear that. I am thinking & prayers for you and your family. Stay as strong as you can.
@@TP_Recommendations thank you we loved riding roller coasters together so many great memories thanks again!
The number one burning question should be how can cedar point get their operations and maintenance up to par. I was in the park on an August Saturday (75 sunny and not windy) and these were my observations. :
Millennium force down most of the entire day. Gatekeeper down a good bit of the day. Rougarou down a good bit. Steel vengeance down a good bit. Valravn, Gemini, and magnum all broke down for short periods of time. Only big coasters without issues were Maverick and Raptor. One positive was when Vengeance broke at the end of the night right at 10, management walked us over to get a ride on Maverick. They handled that well. But the parks coasters are not reliable at all in Terms of keeping them running without downtime. It is brutal.
@alantrotter2077 Cedar Point has gone downhill (no pun intended), in the things people visit from all over, and it seems to be the rule rather than the exception. Given a choice between Kings Island and Cedar Point, Kings Island WITHOUT A DOUBT is far superior to Cedar Point on so many levels. Operations there are envious of other parks, water park is included in the general admission, fast lane wristband system is not charging for their top tier coasters (which seldom seem to go down like Cedar Point's rides that need an afternoon coffee break), grounds are beautiful and the staff is excellent. I worked at Cedar Point for 5 seasons, LOVED IT, had great managers and all, yet is definitely not the park it was in the 70's and 80's.
@@timothykaczmarek5871 "fast lane wristband system is not charging for their top tier coasters"...WTF are you talking about? The system is the same at both parks. The only difference is KI a lot fewer people buy FL b/c it's mostly a local's park, while CP sells infinitely more as a destination park. Wonderland is the same as KI, locals don't buy FL. Wonderland will have 90 to 120 minute wait for major coasters and FL will be 5 minutes b/c locals see no need to buy FL when they go to the park all the time.
@MCQ-fq6bv That's BULLSHIT. Kings Island, which is FAR SUPERIOR than Cedar Point, doesn't charge two price points for fast lane. Cedar Point does, and for what? That's a TOTAL RIPOFF, seeing how fast lane is already an additional upgrade, which is fine, however a total money grab for 3 additional rides which have no increased value within their compound. There's no reason for this aside from being a cash grab. Kings Island is SOO MUCH BETTER THAN CEDAR POINT on so many levels. And they have dedicated entrances for their attractions, aside from maybe 3, and those STUPID merge points at Cedar Point are a joke as you'll STILL be in line because their operations have slipped severely since I was an employee.
@@timothykaczmarek5871 Literally you have no idea WTF you're talk about. Since you're complaining so much, it's clear you can't afford the few extra dollars. Get a better job and stop whining. They have 2 levels of FL for a good reason, people that don't want to ride big rides.The reason KI has 1 level is nobody hardly buys it, all the low end parks have 1 level, the top end parks have two levels. It's the same reason KI FL is cheap, low sales. Also, FL vs FL+ is actually 4 rides currently and in the future 5(with TT2), the most popular ones. The notion it has no added value is ludicrous. I can ride Maverick often as a walk on or 10/15 min wait while the regular line is 90 mins. There have been days with 90 min wait, over the bridge and into 2 switch backs where I have ridden Maverick 8 times in 1hr. Pretty good value. Mt all season all park fast lane has great value, however given your crying you can't afford it.
@@timothykaczmarek5871 No. Cedar Point is run much better than KI. KI always have half their rides failing whenever I'm there. They are a good park, but Cedar Point is MUCH better run.
I would love to see a dueling Intamin Hot Racer in the Snake River falls plot of land. The US could use one and with SF working with Intamin again, I could definitely see it happening by 2027
@edit-ze3ke
Something like would definitely work in the Snake River Falls plot of land.
And then Top Thrill 2 can get fixed by Intamin unless they get their act together this offseason
@@darealsavage3472 Intamin won't fix it - they will destroy it. They are a mess right now.
They are not working with Intamin again. They are finishing out contracts. Intamin still takes no accountability for their poor designs. Universal is just finishing up their contracts with them then bailing. No one in the US wants to work with them anymore since nothing is ever their fault.
I really hope they get TT2 figured out in the off season. I would love to see them do something with that island. turn it into Zamperla Island with cool flat rides. they also need to fix the parking lot. it's crumbling. and maybe some bathrooms in that giant parking lot would be helpful. and a charging station for electric cars
@Theme Park Recommendations could you do a top 5 burning questions on Legoland Florida. I'm interested in what the future is for that park. BTW this video was awesome.
Now this may sound a bit bold, but hear me out on this, you’re gonna love it.
If Cedar Fair went with Intamin to work on the renovation of Top Thrill Dragster (i.e. fixing all the issues and replacing some of the older track), I predict that Snake River Falls could be replaced with a new Zamperla Junior Coaster/Log Flume combo (similar to Adventureland in Iowa).
Spend a little more money to have Intamin fix TT2 and have Zamperla give CP a ride of some sort for free for screwing up.
@@jasonhenage4944 Intamin bid on the project, they didn't like their design. Despite what fools like him said for the last year, the decisions was not based on cost. It was based on what the 4 manufactures that bid submitted as the redesign, they all differed.
@@jasonhenage4944 How do you know how much they spent to make a comment of "spend a little more" What if Intamin couldn't fix TTD or what if Intamin didn't offer a proposal that CP didn't like?
I have no idea, probably more wishful thinking on my part.
Question #1 is a good one. Staffing is a huge issue because kids are entitled and unwilling to work for minimum wage these days. Sad but true.
Very true......kids today are coddled and entitled.
Sadly, bad lazy parents are to blame for not disciplining them and actually implementing chores and responsibilities.
If Cedar Point ever wanted to expand, they could try artificial islands. The Hampton Roads Bridge-Tunnel uses these. They need to address their current issues first before expanding.
I was lucky enough to ride TT2 twice the day before it closed, it's excellent. I was at the park yesterday, it was sad to see it sitting idle but I still had fun. Only a 1/2 hour wait for Steel Vengeance and not much more for Millennium Force which is still my favorite coaster. I renewed my season pass for 2025 and looking forward to 1 more visit this year! Hope they get TT2 up and running!
TT2 won't be going anywhere. They are having issues with stress cracks in the trains. They will probably get a set of new trains with a different design if their modifications don't hold up. They'll have it figured out. Keep in mind, this ride is a prototype
I think Cedar Point will inevitably go back to Intamin to fix TT2.
I think the Snake River area gets used for an RMC single rail OR Gerstlauer Eurofighter.
Intamin bid on the project, they didn't like their design. Despite what fools like him said for the last year, the decisions was not based on cost. It was based on what the 4 manufactures that bid submitted as the redesign, they all differed.
Some of you Intamin fan boys need to get a clue. Intamin cost the park over $100M in maintenance and lawsuits. No way in hell CP is calling them back up. Sorry, not sorry.
I have a feeling that when it comes to expansion they will relocate the waterpark off-site to expand the park with more coaters and flat rides
I don't think the investments are tied to TT2. TT2 is a 2024 investment, the fact that it's basically pushed back to 2025, that has no bearing on future expansions as those expansions would have probably been planned.
Well it could have just gotten pushed back a year since they obviously realized very early in the summer that TT2 wasn’t going to reopen this year
But it could effect future expansion plans if season pass sales tank for 2025. Some people are genuinely that mad because of TT2 that they won't renue for 2025. That could accelerate a timeline.
@@robertstephens5185 very possible, but typically people act tough but ultimately will still cave and get season passes since TT2 will be open. I think to most GP, they don’t look at it is much since top thrill has been basically closed for 3 years now
Thank you so much for doing this 🎉! I ❤ these videos. Could you do one for Carowinds because as my homepark, there is no clear direction for the future. Keep doing what your doing
My pick for cedar point is a dark ride, then a log flume, then a giga that beats fury 325 height record and steel dragon 2000 length record. Make it truly epic!
I would love to see 5 burning questions for Canada’s Wonderland
I would love to see you do a 5 Burning Questions about Kings Island Future video. I am curious: a few weeks ago, my husband & I were at Kings Island & the Bat was closed. I'm not sure why it was closed.
I can’t believe I’m just seeing this alright time to lock in and watch
The biggest question I have is what's the future of their five Arrow coasters. I 100% think they put the effort into preserving Magnum and Iron Dragon, but will they do that for the rest? Their mine train, Corkscrew, and Gemini are either older than 50 or are almost 50.
5:30 If they added a Zamperla Big Waves, they could turn off the splash from late September through early May. I do wonder if the same switcheroo could be done on a Mack PowerSplash though.
A themed Gerstlauer would fit nicely in the snake river falls plot
@@kylelampen7946 They'll probably put in yet ANOTHER RESTAURANT! Snake River Shake and Snack Shack!!
Great takes & insight as always Brandon!
What if they removed the mine ride on top of snake river falls.??..That would open up a nice chunk of land..We all know the mineride is a turd and needs to go.Its not that popular unless the park is slammed,if your 200+lbs you aint riding it comfortably. That twice pitched giga by BM would be nice..The only park with 2 gigas . Itll never happen but its fun to wish
They would absolutely not scrap the ride lmao….
And I’m sure Intamin is not going to be the first company they call if they decide to move on from Zamperla
GCI would be perfect in frontier town
Would like to see a 5 burning questions for either Dorney Park or California's Great America
Do 6 flags great america next!
Cedar Point would actually be in better shape if they had scrapped TTD in 2022/23 and built a Mack extreme spinner or a Stryker on part of that plot.
Also, since major attractions tend to be planned out at least a year in advance, CP likely wouldn't have gotten much if anything in 2025 even if TT2 had operated every day this year (maybe some general park improvements)
I hate the fact that Snake River Falls is no more. What cool relief does a thrill seeker need on a hot summer day now that it's gone? Is Thunder Canyon next to be on the chopping block?
It’s not something that would happen but I’d love a gci/log flume built together with SRF and island land.
8:05 WILD 😭
A large multi level parking garage along the outskirts of the current parking lot it could really help get them again a decent bit of extra room.
They NEED another water ride. They’ve taken out three now…and it gets HOT during the summer. The best thing about a water coaster is that the water splash level can be controlled….less splashing in the cooler months….still a fun ride.
Would to see CP be the first to have a T-Rex, maybe with a near vertical lift?
Riding some on Saturday!
I hope cedar point doesn’t remove their skycoaster I love those rides
I don’t think having a new ride in addition to TT2 being fully functional in 2025 is a bad decision. Would drive more people to the parks.
Curious why daily ops don't continue through Sept or Oct? Could be a powerhouse.
@sportindaveyg Staffing. International students return to school. It's been this way for years. Not going to happen.
If they to are going to allow the ThunderCanyon to stay operating, then they can afford to put in another water ride. With summers being pretty hot at times, and having only one water ride to handle keeping everyone cool on those hot days is a bit too much. What's the difference whether they put another water ride in or keep Thunder Canyon. The same question you ask about Snake River Falls being operated from mid May to September can be applied to Thunder Canyon in that same time frame. It also does not seem right that when you go to Michigan's Adventure, you pay for the amusement part of the park and the water park all in one admission price. Why can't Cedar Point do the same thing, especially if they are both owned by the same company Cedar Fair. Michigan's Adventure doesn't have as many rides as Cedar Point, but the trade off is both areas of the park are covered under one price, just wish it was closer to me. CP has more than enough restaurants. I miss the Space Needle they took down to make room for Gatekeeper. Theyshould have just relocated Space Needle to where the Giant wheel was by the train station. That would have been a cool spot for it.
Burning questions for kings island
Can you do six flags fiesta Texas next
Even with TT2's short lived bask in the spotlight of awesomeness, you, Brandon were absolutely right insisting on Intamin for the restoration of that ride because the end result is living proof of your prediction. BOOM!!!
He hasn't a clue what he's talking about per usual.
They will never get rid of lighthouse point, it's far too unique of a RV/cabin camping experience. They will sacrifice the waterpark before that's considered
Cedar Point shores needs work. They have almost no places to change. I don't recommend going to it unless it's a very slow day.
Try this on Six Flags Great America
Kennywood
shoulda gone with intamin to begin with 🤦♂️
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Don5 burning questions on Magic Mountain. 👍🏻
What do you think would be more embarrassing for the park? Would it be opening this ride for only one week for the whole season,or not opening it all for the season as they said it would?
Happy Retirement cedar point Corkscrew soon
I thought they were getting rid of Skyhawk because it was down all the time. .
Brandon, what would you think of an in park hotel in frontier town? There is definitely demand for lodging and a brand new ground up hotel inside the park would be awesome
There is zero chance of a hotel in frontier town, it literally makes no sense.
Somehow, despite all the issues with TT2 they set an attendance record?!?
They should tare down ceater creek mine ride and put a gic or whatever wooden coster there
“Mean Streak”?
Is CP actually marketing dragster for “new for 2025?”
DO you think that Cedar Point could have kept Top Thrill II open by just patching up problems and just temporarily fixing it through the season? Was there any temporary fix to keep it functioning that they just felt would be too much of a risk? I personally think they could have kept running it as is and just doing temporary fixes every few days. Just my guess.
SRF is at the end of its service life but they do not even need to replace it. The area could just be a nice scenic area with seating and just shady areas to relax. Supposedly Intamin was contacted about TTD and the proposal didn't work out. They also had 19yrs to get the ride to work right and couldn't so I don't understand how Zamperla is so awful when they only had 3 or 4 months to get the kinks out after opening. There is tons of variables that need accounted for and sometimes you can't just simulate stuff and get it right in the real world. So they know the problem but it just takes time to test and manufacture the new components and materials needed.
Meanstreak?
Kinser Island
Just get rid of Top Thrill Dumpster, cut your losses, and put in stuff that ACTUALLY WORKS.
you clearly havnt rode the ride if you think they should get rid of it
they spent all this money on refurbishing top thrill and you think they’re just gonna throw all that in the trash because it got delayed by a year?
Absolutely not, the ride is amazing!
The terrible accident that eventually closed the ride in the first place should have been enough to remove it and not updating it into this new iteration.
I hope they don’t get rid of it
CP will keep their new for 2025 attractions open twice as long as 2024 😂
Cedar Fair should have just sucked it up and gone to Intamin for the renovation of Top Thrill Dragster
They attempted too but rumors was Intamin's proposal was to remove Iron Dragon but that would be no guarantee that it would have worked any better. Intamin had 19yrs and still couldn't get their original ride fixed.
They did. They didn't like their proposal. They asked them to resubmit and Intamin never did.
Again, thoosie nonsense that know nothing. Cedar Point put the project out for bids and designs. The design changes by multiple manufacturers all varied. Despite the lie spouted by thoosies, including this channel it was not decided by cost and whom was the least. It was about what the proposed changes were. FYI, the cost of the revamp was more than many new coasters from all the proposals.
A billion $ for a parking lot and deck? What universe do you live in?
No
Never thought about it but parking garages would be smart. Disney uses them and they have an abundance of land 😂. Or maybe eventually kings island with their abundance of land will be the better park in the further since cedar point is landlocked
The notion of Parking garages is silly thoosie logic. It's cost prohibitive for a regional park. Also, it would ruin the entire atmosphere of the entrance to the park. Part of CP is as you come up the causeway you see the coasters, the view, the gate coaster, etc....instead you see an ugly parking garage like at a mall. It's never happening b/c of cost, beyond the negative atmosphere effect
I would like to see one for all of Walt Disney World
Happy Retirement no cedar point Gemini
Wrong. Won't happen.
I feel like if they get rid of kiddy kingdom they should get rid of that big arcade building also
@Reputationlover89 Offices and Park Communications Center are in that building, plus it has historic significance so this will NOT come to fruition.
There are no staffing shortages, there are only pay shortages...
Yes, there is for CP. Even right post pandemic they were paying $20/hr and couldn't get enough people. There isn't a major population center close by and many locals don't want to work. This isn't Six Flags legacy parks where places like Over Texas are short staffed b/c they want to try to pay people $11 or 12/hr. CP is advertising $20/hr for Halloweekends.
@@MCQ-fq6bv Sorry but $20/hour isn't enough.. and I live in one of the cheapest housing area's of the country! I do agree out of all the parks CP is the hardest to staff simply due to no large city nearby.
@@supremefan Working at a theme park in a hourly capacity is not a career, it's a seasonal job that requires no education or real expertise. $20/hr is ample
@@MCQ-fq6bv Sorry but people like you that think "normal jobs" don't deserve to be paid enough to live normal life is EXACTLYA the reason they are short staffed. These greedy corporations have the money to pay more. Rich f's that own stock don't need to make as much as they are..
@@MCQ-fq6bv BTW it's called supply and demand... need to pay more to get people. There are plenty of people looking for work. We just won't accept anything under what we deserve.
Cedar Point would really benefit as an expansion in the future to relocate the Parking Lot to the Mainland and build a Monorail or Tramway System between the Park and new Parking lot. I agree with you about the Labor situation however like you said the best scenario is for future expansion to relocate the Parking and add onto the Park. As to the Resorts they MUST stay as is on the Island. This is too big of a draw for Guests.
Best future idea for Cedar Point is to build large Monorail system that could connect to all resorts and properties maintained in Sandusky and I honestly think that Cedar Point could possibly become one of the busiest Theme Parks in the Country with such a huge expansion. The Park could definitely give Disney and Universal some serious competition but only if they can figure out the Labor Staffing needed for such a project. It would be great if Cedar Point was able to expand by another 8 or so Coasters and 40 or so Flat Rides.
Brandon! How about you do a fun video with this in mind just for fun a futuristic Cedar Point major expansion? Bigger Soak City? 25 or so Coasters, Dark rides, bunch more Flat rides etc. New restaurants or another Hotel? All without a Parking Lot. Also show a video with the Monorail between all Sandusky Six Flags Properties. This would be a great fun project just for fun. Especially with Winter approaching and most Parks closing for the Season in your spare time of course just for fun! A new reimagined Cedar Point!😊❤😊 Are you up to having a fun project to take on? I'm sure many viewers would like to see your view of a new Cedar Point!!😊 Thanks for all your videos and time and have a roller coaster day!
Complete thoosie, industry, business ignorant talk of "Parking Lot to the Mainland and build a Monorail or Tramway System." No regional theme park is building a monorail system or the other thoosie nonsense of parking garage. Cedar Point as part of a regional chain is not and doesn't actually compete with destination parks such as Disney or Universal. Disney parks division profit a year was 10Billion, last year . The 27 dry parks and 15 water parks of the merged chain combined produce 3.2B in revenue. Do you understand that math? Disney's park division net income(profit) is more than 3X the merged chain gross revenue.
Remove TT2 this winter and build something new. Cut your losses NOW.
Will TT2 actually open in 2025?
This is what CP gets for charging for their lockers!