I bought the Friedman Tour Pro Platinum package instantly after hearing your A/B comparison and an A/B comparison of my guitar into the amp versus my guitar through all the fx into the amp! The buffer bay is a very smart little helper.. 🙌
As someone who has owned this for several months, there are some things to note. The position of the "buffer in" input is a bit odd. When you screw in the patch bay to your Friedman board, that input is positioned the furthest away from where the player is standing which means your guitar cable wraps around the other cables you have plugged into the patch bay which is a bit clunky and odd. Would make more sense for Friedman to have either made a couple optional buffered inputs OR put that input to the far left which would result in it being closer to the player when standing in front of the pedalboard. Second issue, which is a bit more important is that the "switch" to enable/disable the buffer is wayyyyy to sensitive and easy to press/depress. I went a good week trying to figure out why my tone sucked and I couldn't figure it out until I realized somehow the little button for the buffer go depressed (probably during a gig or something) and the buffer had been turned off. It might seem silly, but the button is positioned RIGHT NEXT to the guitar input socket so simply plugging/unplugging your guitar makes it way too easy to accidently hit that little button. Other than that, the Friedman stuff is top notch, looking forward to an MK2 Buffer Bay that contains an output buffer as well as fixing some of the minor usability issues.
Looks like a fantastic pedal board solution . One question though in a stereo set up how can amplifier phase issues be addressed using the Buffer Bay . Thanks
Convincing stuff for those who does not already own switches/loopers with high quality buffers. The price for a platinum package is way better than the powered and UN-buffered Pedaltrain packages in corresponding sizes! I was considering buying one of these, but I cannot see how I need the buffer with my OneControl Croc. My friend owns one of these boards and I really like the lay-out and angle of this board. I wish they would make a powered package deal without the buffers. Also, I could do with 12 (& 18) V alternatives in their powersource.
I have one. I have no idea how to use it. It has one input, one output and a BUNCH OF THRU'S??? I don't know which "thru's" are inputs or outputs. And the fact that the diagrams have the IN and OUT arrow directions somewhat random does not help. It shows IN arrows going TO the amp, and OUT arrows coming from.... arrows going both directions on some things. I wish someone would clarify this for me. (Guitarist for 60 years, been using pedals and pedalboards, including a couple I've built from scratch myself since the 1970's... so this should not be hard to figure out.)
I use amps without an effects loop in mono. Since all 9 of my effects pedals are in front of the amp, I'm assuming I use the "Pre-Path" and run into "thru 1? If I do that, will it still improve my sound? Thanks.
Hoping someone could help me with this question. I recently purchased a Boss NS-2 Noise Suppressor pedal. Is it possible to run this pedal in the "4 cable method" through the buffer. What is the best way to run this pedal if using the buffer bay? Thanks for any input.
One little question . So I have up to five amp head and I have one two note torpedo cab sim . Anyway that I can use this patch bay in stead of unplug amp output to cab sim every time ? It's so trouble if I switch amp head every time . So five amp head and one cab sim which way is easier for switch amp head every time?
I have this thing... If you plug the guitar direct on your amp, and compare with through the Buffer Bay, the diference is minimal. If you disable the "Buff On" button, even without pedals (guitar direct on Buffer Bay, direct on amp), it will sound sucks anyway. So, this comparison isn't so real. However, if you plug your guitar direct on your thousand pedals, and so put the Buffer Bay between, then you'll hear a good revival of your tone - almost equal to guitar direct on amp. So, my thoughts: Ok, this is a great buffer! But compare the signal with disable BUFF ON button is a lie.
The whole point of using a buffer in this context is because you had a bunch of pedals, yeah if you don't have long cable lengths a buffer is pretty pointless but to say it's a lie is a bit weird because I 100% notice a huge top end loss without the buffer turned on.
So it looks like this thing is actually a 1) Mono buffer (bypassable) 2) 5 channel passive patch bay. 3) a Midi thru port ... At first i thought this thing was something I needed but then I realized I already have a $75 buffer and I can buy a 6 channel passive patch bay for $50. So this thing doesn't do anything for me. But for others who want the convenience of not having separate boxes it may provide a worthy solution.
You don't really "need" this unless you own a Friedman pedalboard and want something designed for it that fits into the slot and screws down, that's really the only reason I purchased it personally. It's a solid buffer, but there are some design flaws with it and there's no output buffer. Maybe in an MK2 they'll fix those issues.
Could you not put the guitar through one of the thru inputs, through the fuzz, then back through the buffer? Or of course bypass or turn off the buffer I guess
Would the buffer bay allow me to send a stereo signal from my guitar (piezo and magnetic pickups) via TRS cable, and split the signals on the other side?
All of the ins and outs on the buffer bay are TRS so you should be able to use it this way. You'd need to couple your signal though before going into the patch bay from 2 TS to a single TRS though as well.
@@cardbored_ sweet. So then theoretically if you use two amps and have a stereo pedal that is in the loop of both amps, you can couple the loop from the amp and go through the bay and then split out of the bay to the ins and outs of the stereo pedal. I want use a strymon volante in the loop of two amps. So that should work yeah?
@@joshuasimonson7656 Are you running a stereo guitar? That is correct, the 5 ins and outs are TRS but you don't HAVE to use the buffered input. You can easily use one of the other 5 inputs/outputs and just get your buffer from other pedals or a dedicated buffer. That's the good part about it being a 6 in/out patch bay, even if you don't use the built in buffered input you still have enough ins/outs to run a fully patched board with effects loop. That's how I run my board, I get my buffer from the RJM PBC 10 since it has 3 audio buffers built in. I'm not a huge fan of the built in buffer in the patchbay anyway.
If you want to use it as a patch bay, yes. You'd then go out of the patch bay into your amp. This makes it easier and cleaner when connecting/disconnecting your cables since they'd all go into the same patch bay.
I bought the Friedman Tour Pro Platinum package instantly after hearing your A/B comparison and an A/B comparison of my guitar into the amp versus my guitar through all the fx into the amp! The buffer bay is a very smart little helper.. 🙌
Holy shit that buffer A-B comparison was shocking.
Excellent video... getting one today!
As someone who has owned this for several months, there are some things to note. The position of the "buffer in" input is a bit odd. When you screw in the patch bay to your Friedman board, that input is positioned the furthest away from where the player is standing which means your guitar cable wraps around the other cables you have plugged into the patch bay which is a bit clunky and odd. Would make more sense for Friedman to have either made a couple optional buffered inputs OR put that input to the far left which would result in it being closer to the player when standing in front of the pedalboard.
Second issue, which is a bit more important is that the "switch" to enable/disable the buffer is wayyyyy to sensitive and easy to press/depress. I went a good week trying to figure out why my tone sucked and I couldn't figure it out until I realized somehow the little button for the buffer go depressed (probably during a gig or something) and the buffer had been turned off. It might seem silly, but the button is positioned RIGHT NEXT to the guitar input socket so simply plugging/unplugging your guitar makes it way too easy to accidently hit that little button.
Other than that, the Friedman stuff is top notch, looking forward to an MK2 Buffer Bay that contains an output buffer as well as fixing some of the minor usability issues.
Is this essentially like the Morley Hum Eliminator ? Or a hum eliminator but better quality
I just ordered mine today. 😊
Looks like a fantastic pedal board solution . One question though in a stereo set up how can amplifier phase issues be addressed using the Buffer Bay .
Thanks
Well you can't with this product. If you have 2 out of phase amps you could reverse the speaker cable on one. That's the simple way.
ISO transformer on the 2nd output. XTS makes a great one as well a Lehle.
Convincing stuff for those who does not already own switches/loopers with high quality buffers. The price for a platinum package is way better than the powered and UN-buffered Pedaltrain packages in corresponding sizes!
I was considering buying one of these, but I cannot see how I need the buffer with my OneControl Croc. My friend owns one of these boards and I really like the lay-out and angle of this board. I wish they would make a powered package deal without the buffers. Also, I could do with 12 (& 18) V alternatives in their powersource.
Would you put the wah/volume pedal in front of the Pre-path which is going out of Buffer Out into the OD pedal? thanks
I have one. I have no idea how to use it. It has one input, one output and a BUNCH OF THRU'S??? I don't know which "thru's" are inputs or outputs. And the fact that the diagrams have the IN and OUT arrow directions somewhat random does not help. It shows IN arrows going TO the amp, and OUT arrows coming from.... arrows going both directions on some things. I wish someone would clarify this for me. (Guitarist for 60 years, been using pedals and pedalboards, including a couple I've built from scratch myself since the 1970's... so this should not be hard to figure out.)
I use amps without an effects loop in mono. Since all 9 of my effects pedals are in front of the amp, I'm assuming I use the "Pre-Path" and run into "thru 1? If I do that, will it still improve my sound? Thanks.
Just A/B it! Go straight into your amp versus through all your pedal into the amp. I was hearing quite a difference with my setup!
I have a Mesa Mark 5 and a 8 button footswitch. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
Hoping someone could help me with this question. I recently purchased a Boss NS-2 Noise Suppressor pedal. Is it possible to run this pedal in the "4 cable method" through the buffer. What is the best way to run this pedal if using the buffer bay? Thanks for any input.
How does the midi work with it? There’s nothing in the manual.
And there's nothing bout the current draw too.
Awesomeness!
One little question . So I have up to five amp head and I have one two note torpedo cab sim . Anyway that I can use this patch bay in stead of unplug amp output to cab sim every time ? It's so trouble if I switch amp head every time . So five amp head and one cab sim which way is easier for switch amp head every time?
Product doesn't seem designed for that purpose. I think this is what you're looking for ampete.com/products/switcher-series/ampete-444/.
If I have a ABY-box so that my sound goes through a guitar amp and a bass amp (like Royal Blood), is this Buffer needed?
What if your amp doesnt have an FX loop? Like a Fender Deluxe Reverb?
time for new amp?
All your pedals will just have to go in front of the guitar input.
I have this thing... If you plug the guitar direct on your amp, and compare with through the Buffer Bay, the diference is minimal. If you disable the "Buff On" button, even without pedals (guitar direct on Buffer Bay, direct on amp), it will sound sucks anyway. So, this comparison isn't so real. However, if you plug your guitar direct on your thousand pedals, and so put the Buffer Bay between, then you'll hear a good revival of your tone - almost equal to guitar direct on amp. So, my thoughts: Ok, this is a great buffer! But compare the signal with disable BUFF ON button is a lie.
The whole point of using a buffer in this context is because you had a bunch of pedals, yeah if you don't have long cable lengths a buffer is pretty pointless but to say it's a lie is a bit weird because I 100% notice a huge top end loss without the buffer turned on.
So it looks like this thing is actually a 1) Mono buffer (bypassable) 2) 5 channel passive patch bay. 3) a Midi thru port ... At first i thought this thing was something I needed but then I realized I already have a $75 buffer and I can buy a 6 channel passive patch bay for $50. So this thing doesn't do anything for me. But for others who want the convenience of not having separate boxes it may provide a worthy solution.
You don't really "need" this unless you own a Friedman pedalboard and want something designed for it that fits into the slot and screws down, that's really the only reason I purchased it personally. It's a solid buffer, but there are some design flaws with it and there's no output buffer. Maybe in an MK2 they'll fix those issues.
Does this buffer buffer all the thru's? Or only the guitar input?
I want one if I can find one.
So keep your AB switch PEDAL for wet /dry with this?
how bout when using fuzzes that don't want to see a buffer before input
Could you not put the guitar through one of the thru inputs, through the fuzz, then back through the buffer? Or of course bypass or turn off the buffer I guess
If my guitar goes through only one amp and it has no "send"/"return" for the effect loop, is this Buffer useful?
I have the same question
Would the buffer bay allow me to send a stereo signal from my guitar (piezo and magnetic pickups) via TRS cable, and split the signals on the other side?
All of the ins and outs on the buffer bay are TRS so you should be able to use it this way. You'd need to couple your signal though before going into the patch bay from 2 TS to a single TRS though as well.
@@cardbored_ sweet. So then theoretically if you use two amps and have a stereo pedal that is in the loop of both amps, you can couple the loop from the amp and go through the bay and then split out of the bay to the ins and outs of the stereo pedal.
I want use a strymon volante in the loop of two amps.
So that should work yeah?
@@joshuasimonson7656 Are you running a stereo guitar? That is correct, the 5 ins and outs are TRS but you don't HAVE to use the buffered input. You can easily use one of the other 5 inputs/outputs and just get your buffer from other pedals or a dedicated buffer. That's the good part about it being a 6 in/out patch bay, even if you don't use the built in buffered input you still have enough ins/outs to run a fully patched board with effects loop.
That's how I run my board, I get my buffer from the RJM PBC 10 since it has 3 audio buffers built in. I'm not a huge fan of the built in buffer in the patchbay anyway.
do i have to connect the last pedal in my chain back to the buffer bay?
If you want to use it as a patch bay, yes. You'd then go out of the patch bay into your amp. This makes it easier and cleaner when connecting/disconnecting your cables since they'd all go into the same patch bay.
Does no one use a turner on their board? Just me I guess 🤣