The Mana Khemia series, along with Atelier Iris and Ar Tonelico, were my first introduction to alchemist-themed games, and they left a lasting impact on me. I loved the combat system, the unforgettable soundtrack, and the amazing stories. They had just the right balance without too much fanservice, making them a truly meaningful part of my childhood. Even now, I still wish they would release Mana Khemia 3! T_T
Ar Tonelico left such an impact on me that it made me a gamer. The PS2 era feels so nostalgic. The story, lore, hidden treasures, and Easter eggs, along with the game's amusement and OST, were just the best. As a gamer, I believe there isn't any other game that has built an almost fully functional language like Ar Tonelico's Hymnos. This shows just how much Akira Tsuchiya, the creator of Ar Tonelico, invested in creating this masterpiece. (But let's not talk about Artonelico 3 the fanservice is annoying)
@@mirteiwaz3205 I think another issue with AT3 is that it was obviously rushed and half assed. There are some pretty amazing hymnos songs in there though. If I became a billionaire I'd fix it up lol. That fan service was too much though, not even talking about stripsphere, it is the other parts that were so bad lol. As I recall... one scene involved toilet fetish? wth? lol.
Any Atelier / Mana Khemia / Ar Tonelico series is still by far my top priority RPG games to play, they gave me so much impact on RPG Games since my childhood till now
Iris 2 I loved for its music and Gray (they really need to have another playable dragon guy like him again). Iris 3 I also loved for its music, its interesting premise with other worlds, job class feature (no other title has ever attempted this again), and excellent combat system (which got further boosted in Mana Khemia and its sequel, reaching a crazy peak of assists and special moves they didn't attempt again until post Ayesha). I haven't been able to keep up with the series for a very long time now and I only know Sophie and Plachta through their appearance in Warriors All-Stars. I honestly don't have the time for these time-intensive games like I used to, but I really would like to get to them at some point.
The Lydie/Sue placement hurts my soul, it's one of my top 3 games alongside Sophie 2 & Ryza 2 lmao. Mysterious series is peak Atelier in general imo! I can definitely see your points though, it's just interesting to see where everyone's priorities are! I'm mostly just here for the vibe, story and characters. I love the twins and their world, especially the paintings felt really magical to me which hooked me a lot on the game. Same with the dream world of Sophie 2! It's also why I'm afraid I won't like Yumia. I love my Atelier games a bit more cutesy, laid-back and magical when it comes to vibes, and Yumia feels a lot more... serious/"dark" which isn't really up my alley sadly. Also, thank god I'm not the only one who feels disappointed about Ryza 3! I love the story & new characters, but the gameplay and especially exploration felt so tedious to me that it kinda became a slog inbetween the story segments. Which is especially sad since Ryza 2 is one of my favs...
Ahaha, my opinion on L&S is definitely an unpopular one for sure. It's still a good game anyways :) Yeah, Yumia to me looks like it'll nail the exploration aspect but definitely lose the charming, magical, cutesy vibes etc which is a dang shame. I think I'll still like it but I don't like that they feel they have to go for a more serious tone either, there's uncountable other games out there for that. We'll see!
Atelier Iris 1-3 and Mana Khemia was my entire childhood, it was the game that inspired me to become an artist. These games shaped the person that I am today and my taste in games, art, music and many more. Some people may say that the story and plot are just some generic JRPG story but after these games, no other games have really evoke that feeling for me anymore, the sense of nostalgia even though it was the first time you played the game. They feel ancient and full of mysteries, What happened to the world? Who did it? When did it all begun? So I can understand your point about how different it is compared to modern Atelier games. Because from my own point of view, modern Atelier games are not my cup of tea, I tried them, and I tried really hard to convinced myself that I'm supposed to love these game, they are The Atelier series after all, but after a while I realize the Atelier that I used to love has already gone now. They don't make those kind of games anymore. But I am forever thankful for the honor of ever playing these games during those times in my childhood
im saving this video for work tomorrow, but i took a little peak at the end result and.. firis is my beloved. i knew from very early on in the game that it was going to be special! im wrapping it up now actually and going to begin L&S right after, but firis is my ultimate alchemist ❤
Omg Ayesha was my first game too!! I saw the box art at GameStop and couldn’t resist. Now it’s one of my favourite game series! EDIT so with Ayesha, Sophie, and Ryazan 1 being S tier and based on your overall commentary, it seems like we have similar tastes in what we look for in an Atelier game lol. Though I personally really like Mana Khemia too
Nice to see Shallie up so high, it's my personal favorite from the series. I love basically everything about it except for how stale the combat feels for the first few chapters. I feel like if I made a tierlist there wouldn't be any games in the F tier, not even Annie... Also hearing someone got into the series because of Haruka Shimotsuki is great, her songs are just so charming in general. I got into the games because of the music too, and it's the main reason Atelier is within my all time favorite series. It's also one of the reasons I couldn't get that much into the Ryza series tho...
(Unrelated, but I just noticed that your icon is Himawari-san so based taste.) I'm new to Atelier games, but man, I'm only at Nemed and have the same exact thoughts as you with the quantity over quality open world, keys (outright ignoring them early in the game) and skill tree (I REALLY hecked up the path I went with and just had to exploit the SPs solely to complete the capable chopping Axe quest) lol. I guess the only good thing about being OP so early in the game means if I can power through the main campaign faster = I can get to play other Atelier games faster. Which is a shame bc that's prob not what they intended the game to be, and I enjoyed 1 and 2 a lot!
This is a massive success as a tier list because about a third of the list I'm thinking "nailed the placement no notes," a third "I think your argument is sound even if I disagree," and a third "HOW DARE YOU," lol. Firis is basically the worst game in the series that I somehow still like; Shallie is the best game in the series that I nevertheless don't feel great about; I am a Nelke stan, our army is legion, and all dozen of us will fight you about that placement. Biggest takeaway from this is I should really revisit Elie, I played a tiny bit of it right after finishing the Marie fan translation and kind of wrote it off as "more of the same, put it on a shelf for a bit and come back to it later." I do still hope there's an Elie Remake in our future though!
Elie is more of the same in a lot of ways, massively improved in a lot of other ways - it's still an old Atelier game, so it's definitely rough in areas, but the jump from Marie to Elie felt pretty big to me! I should get back to playing it too lol
Ryza, Shallie, Totori and Marie are my favorites. Both games and Characters. Plus, The music in them are awesome. Also, Totori was my intro to the series. since someone recommended it to me because of the music and it just being pretty good.
The thing with Iris and Khemia was, it's the PS2 era and JRPG become so competitive so I think they need to make "edgier and more serious" game like everyone else hence GUST also make AT, in fact, it's so surprising when PS3 comes, they continue making Atelier to be girl bishojou game after Escha and Lodgy which is the closer to mana khemia gameplay and boy girl formula. Probabbly, yuri all feels good game sells more in JP back then, GUST is the only known developer who make bishojo JRPG after all. People who grown up playing Suikoden, Xenogears and BOF probabbly will prefer Mana khemia and Iris since it totally has romance ending and serious anime story. The modern Aterlier game, is now a totally different market and they know they're the only one who make it.
I haven't gotten to play Marie or Elie despite those two being playable in english right now, easily my biggest blind spot in the series that I've been meaning to get to. My favorites in the series are the dusk trilogy and Iris 2. I ADORE Iris 2, while the biggest sour spot is Lydie and Seulle for similar reasons you've brought up TBH. Hopeful for Yumia! A lot of the new stuff looks cool and some of the old stuff reminds me a bit of systems in Iris I missed.
It’s videos like these that make me wanna jump back into the series. I tried my very damn best to enjoy it through playing the mysterious trilogy as my first time in the series. I played Sophie for about 40 hours but got stuck cause i guess I’m just bad at games where you need to craft things without help. 🤣 regardless, I’ve listened to most of the series music, I “play” Resleriana and I watch a lot of your videos. I truly to my soul adore the series for what it is and the character designs and the opinions of those that actually love the games. Something about it just speaks to me regardless if I’m just some stalking casual that hasn’t beaten a game. 💪🏽🙌🏼
firis sweep! playing firis just does sth special to you, especially the open world is surprisingly engaging even if its kind of empty on paper. idk why i love the game so much 😅 as always ryza1 is a top tier game and an amazing entry point for new players of the series hope yumia will actually fix ryza3's issues, because my feelings with ryza3 are the same as angelas with L&S... which is disappointing 😔 music is a bit loud..
OMG I hadn't found anyone who would share my feelings/opinions on each of the Mysterious entries until now! Despite its shortcomings, Firis is also my favourite (due to Firis herself, the structure of the story, the world, the music... just thinking about it makes me want to play again), Loved Sophie, best Synthesis IMO, and really disliked Lydie and Suelle -to the point of being my least favourite Atelier so far, having played Secret, Mysterious and Dusk trilogies-, I didn't like the twins, didn't enjoy the synthesis or combat, and HATED having to go through whole large areas from the beginning whenever I revisited them. Great video, cheers :D
This is my favorite franchise and there are no bad games here at all imo. Which is quite a feat considering how many games there are. Mana Khemia is my all time favorite, it's so fun
Atelier Sophie was my first Atelier game and I really enjoyed some of the absolute bullshit that you could get on items. I remember having an AoE healing item that resurrected and full healed the entire party when I used it, and then also resurrected and full healed the entire party at the start of the next turn. I thought there was basically no way I could lose a fight, until I ran into bosses that cursed the party or that boss that imposed a stacking max hp penalty on the party every round. (When will they add Leon to Resleriana?) I played Atelier Firis as well, I did think the alchemy was a step down, but loved the exploration. I thought it was very funny that everyone you meet is extremely impressed by the Atelier tent when that was made by Sophie, and Firis never bothers correcting them. Played Lydie & Suelle for a bit but got worn down a bit by the item grind and kind of stopped. I bought some of the other games but never got around to playing them, partly because I got into Paradox Interactive games and subsequently gacha games, both of which are massive time sinks.
Firis at the top as it should be, best girl deserves everything. Mysterious series will always hold a place at the top for me as I enjoyed it the most, also because Sophie 1 was my 1st game into the series. A do agree with Ryza 3 open world, so many area's felt empty that just weren't necessary. There wasn't even any mini bosses in secluded areas like the ice area in Cleria or the shore area in Nemed. Key's were & are still an abysmal mechanic that was introduced, my 1st playthrough basically ignored them entirely. Even at endgame when trying to min-max stats, key RNG was so bad that all you did was reset fish until you got a perfect key. Once aspect that I did like about Ryza 3 was that they scaled the quality of materials in previous area's as you progressed the story, was super nice when you need to quickly gather a decent quality material. Also ponytail Patty is super cute. As for Meruru, I just finished my 1st playthrough last night & currently going for 100%; definitely a lot of backtracking & a lot more character scenes in comparison to Rorona/Totori. Mimi simping for her wife is cute aswell. Haven't touched any of the older generation & Dusk series yet, but I look forward to the Dusk series once I'm done with Meruru.
I started the series with Iris 1 and 2, loved them both, but obviously they're very different than most entries. I have no idea what was going on with Iris 3 though. I started it right after 1 and 2, excited to finally play as Iris... but its a completely different character with the same first name, why is it Iris 3?? I still don't know.
All i've played thus far is dusk and the gachas (Ayesha was my first game and she will forever be the best girl. I have not played any DX versions though cause the DX pack is kinda too expensive for me atm with it only being digital.) With you ranting about Ryza 3 tho. The usless treasure chests bit made me laugh, as it reminds me of the OG FFXII game where if you opened up the wrong chests/barrels you'd lose your chance of getting the zodiac spear, which was the strongest weapon in the game, which was changed in the zodiac age version because it also got powercrept by the seitengrat which is invisible in an invisible chest on an airship lmao (with very heavy rng. Got it the chest once, forgot to unequip a certain accessory so i didn't get it. I was so mad lol.) In regards to AO, i also played it on global and while it was fun, the gacha was trash, it took me 31 pulls to get Mimi and the story was barely present and pretty repetitive (you can join the academy!! Are words i'm not sure i'll ever want to hear again) I do like the enhance system and i wish it'd get implemented in Resleri. Wonder if we'll get any AO characters added in Resleri, too lol. In regards to Yumia, it doesn't really feel like an Atelier game to me from the trailer and i'm not sure i'm gonna like the synth system but hopefully i'll be proven wrong.
damn totori lot lower than i hoped haha but i am biased since its the second atelier game i played ever, after rorona original rorona was pretty wild, its more punishing than totori with the deadlines, all skills uses HP since there wasnt MP and gathering upgrade equipments wasn't a thing at all iirc EDIT: ALSO you have to pay to have some of your party members join you, and Sterk was the most expensive member with cordy being cheapest, i think they address that in totori too lol
I should definitely play original Rorona some time just to experience all of that haha, just rough that it's stuck on PS3. Sounds absolutely terrible! fwiw, paying party members was still a thing even in plus/DX!
This video is a before and after, I liked you before this xd. I thought you played the ones that weren't released outside Japan since you understand Japanese quite well. Also with that rip the otome, Hermina and Culus, and the others not even mentioned xd
xd My Japanese is actually not that good! Definitely not good enough to play games in Japanese at a decent pace. And yeah, I left out spin-offs (besides the ones in English) because I don't have anything to say about them unfortunately
I like Ayesha and Sophie the best I think. The dusk games have a nice vibe, although I haven't played Shallie yet because I've been waiting to finish Ryza 2 first. I just booted Ryza 2 yesterday after not having touched it in nearly two years. I have no idea what's going on. BTW I know you rated Ayesha high because of Keithgriff.
We need Dusk 4th installment to complete the story 🥲
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the first Atelier game ive played was Ryza. Dont get me wrong because i do like the game, but all the atelier games ive played so far, which are only some of the newer ones btw. always come with so many flaws, issues and bad design decisions that it really takes out alot of fun out of these games. Like Hidden Systems, some things beeing overly complicated to the point where you have to look up guides, like you know what to do, but dont know how or why some things dont work even though they should. its really weird sometimes like that. Which is also the reason why i dont even wanna try the older games because i am just assuming its gonna be even worse than that
Ryza is my very first Atelier game but Lydie/Sue is what makes me love this franchise. It sure is not a good game but it's musics and relaxing vibe touched my soul. Sophie 2 is still the best Atelier for me so far. And why the hell do people love Firis that much? Me included. I think Firis is not the game made to be good, but to be loved
Was not expecting the ryza 3 being at C tier, I just beat 1 and 2 and am about 4 hours into 3… guess I’ll have to see why and finish it. My biggest gripe atm is the pc port looks kinda weird? Maybe because the game was made for the switch, but models and textures are oddly pixelated and the subtitles are too small to read. Oh yeah, the chests are stupid too.. neutralizers? Really? Ahahah
All I'll say is enjoy the game for what it is, you very well might have a different opinion! For a lot of people it's their favorite Ryza game due to the writing and other stuff like the movement, etc. Game definitely wasn't made for switch, in fact from what I've heard the font issues end up being even worse on the switch's small screen. As far as the other issue goes, you might need to turn off Depth of Field and maybe also Motion Blur in the settings
I was also sad about Ryza 3. I wish Gust didn't try to cook with so many raw additions to the gameplay, especially for the grand finale of the trilogy. I hope Ryza 3 crawled so Yumia could fly (please be good) 🙏
Yo; that’s the impression I got after watching the Yumia trailer. Things that Ryza 3 established like faster movement and on-field actions in the overworld; different modes of travel, and larger expanses of environments seem to be getting much more polish and mechanical flourish in Yumia. Combat has also returned to ATB and it seems like it’ll pack more bells and whistles than what Ryza started establishing. Hopefully the cool shit in Ryza 3’s combat gets magnified here and the poor stuff, recognized and jettisoned from the gameplay
Mana Khemia 2 is like Mana Khemia 1. However there's more cute girls and it feels more vibey than mana khemia 1 to me I can recommend it to try for abit i don't think you'll finish it though to be perfectly honest.
I went “YES” at the Lydie n Suelle part because I also think their dad SUCKS. His presence ruined the game for me so badly, sorry I don’t think a man should be able to get away with forcing his daughters into work with the implicit threat of letting them starve. He was an absolute bum and the game tries to play it like its cute or silly, while also having a scene of Lydie n Sue literally pass out due to extreme hunger. Terrible vibe killer.
Aha, Roger is a bit of a sore spot for me too because he reminded me exaaaaactly of the dad of some of my best friends from middle school! I guess in some ways that makes him a well written character, but it was still just, ugh! Not what I want in my Atelier game!
I have noticed that a lot of diehard Atelier fans happen to be female, i wonder if thats just a coincidence or it appeals more to girls? , i have been wanting to try more of these because of Ryza 1 where i really appreciated how crazy you can go with the crafting/alchemy system and the story being not as cliche where there's one big bad guy you have to beat or something that you would see in most jrpgs
That was true with the first batch of games. But the developer has been trying to attract a certain type of male player by giving the female characters huge boobs and have them wear stockings that are several sizes smaller than they should be.
As an atelier female fan, yes atelier series have way more female players than the average jrpgs. There are lots of things in atelier series that appeal to girls much more than you think, such as lots of solid likable female protags, girly cutesy vibes, aesthetically pleasing character designs for both male and female characters, etc.
@@TatankaTaylor yeah the ryza games really kickstarted that trend. but I don't really hate fanservice as long as it's done moderately (also ngl I do kinda like booba 😂), and so far the fanservice isn't really all over the place or anything so I'm still cautiously optimistic.
Escha and logy ruined the dusk series story :( Ayesha set it up really well but there was almost nothing to follow up on what was established on outside of reappearing characters and names being thrown around. Also....I want to go to central one day
i still can't believe escha & logy is B the story alone is great the combat is also great not the best..the time management is still the worse same with ayesha but its still the best in term of story same with ayeha tho. again different ppl have different choice i guess..ppl these day prefer cute think and not story focus. all dusk series is introduced to great story and more serious so is kinda shock to see the 2nd dusk set in B while i get it there complain with alchemist system and time management..is old entry with stupid time management like arland has..again ppl has different choice 😅
I started off with totori, so for a long time I've kinda had the bad habbit of thinking what a good atelier game should be with that game in mind. So of course I hated the the mystery series because it felt like you were doing alchemy on a bingo card. Ryza series came along and I agree with liking ryza 1 the most. However it didn't feel like an atelier game with the combat. I really didn't enjoy it as much as turn based. Also, it felt like it got away from bombs and stuff from being the focus.
lol the timestamp.. i become fan after Ryza and i played all of them! and i currently having a blast with sophie 2.. but unfortunately i kinda dislike sophie 2 synt compared with ryza.. its harder to get max potential of the item what we made (im not finish the game yet, but im one step away from the lastest dungeon.. my fav is Ryza 3.. that game is superb! sadly its not so challenging since i have knowledge from ryza 1 and 2.. also we cannot select charismatic difficulty at start, hard is way too easy... and the world is kinda hollow.. altho the world is astonishing! very beautiful! sadly they didnt use it well and make the world more fuller.. cant wait for Atelier Yumia1 i def gonna preorder it EDIT: im totally agreed with you on Ryza 3.. in compared Sophie 2 is much more challenging.. altho i hate that aura system on Sophie 2
I'm pretty simple. If it's atelier, I love it. I've played all the localized games in the series minus Resleriana because gatcha scares me and I avoid them at all cost. Nelke is the only one I didn't care for and my favorites are Firis and Meruru. It's always cool to see other's opinions on the series. I am so excited for Yumia. March 21 cannot come fast enough.
I couldn't put my feelings about the Lydie and Suelle into words, but you did so wonderfully: they're "bratty". They feel incredibly immature compared to the other atelier protagonists. It's probably because they actually have a present family, but it feels like they're both the bratty little sister. They're overly mean to people who only deserve about half the hostility (except their father. Sorry not sorry man, but you deserve every bit you get), and don't have any positive traits to make up for it. Plus, Lydie's outfit REALLY bothers me with the underage side-boobs. The game is GORGEOUS OH MY GOD, but that's easily its strongest point to it.
Solid list. But I would change the following: Firis goes to C (Worst protagonist, game doesn't fall to F due nice side characters) Lydie & Sue goes to B+ Ayesha goes to GOAT Nelke goes to C+. Game is fun, but lacks polish, it was clear that was a rushed game. Mana Khemia and Iris from Never Pfayed all the way to B. Escha & Logy goes to A Dusk is my favorite trilogy by a long stretch and Ayesha is the best girl.
It's so interesting to hear other people's opinions on each game! Although I have different thoughts on some titles, I respect your opinions! Thank you for sharing your thoughts, this was definitely interesting to watch ☺️ Out of the ones that I have played, I think I had the most fun with Sophie (my baby), Rorona Plus, and Lulua 🩷
The Mana Khemia series, along with Atelier Iris and Ar Tonelico, were my first introduction to alchemist-themed games, and they left a lasting impact on me. I loved the combat system, the unforgettable soundtrack, and the amazing stories. They had just the right balance without too much fanservice, making them a truly meaningful part of my childhood. Even now, I still wish they would release Mana Khemia 3! T_T
Ar Tonelico left such an impact on me that it made me a gamer. The PS2 era feels so nostalgic. The story, lore, hidden treasures, and Easter eggs, along with the game's amusement and OST, were just the best. As a gamer, I believe there isn't any other game that has built an almost fully functional language like Ar Tonelico's Hymnos. This shows just how much Akira Tsuchiya, the creator of Ar Tonelico, invested in creating this masterpiece. (But let's not talk about Artonelico 3 the fanservice is annoying)
Im still waiting for them remaster or remake mana khemia or atelier iris
@@mirteiwaz3205 I think another issue with AT3 is that it was obviously rushed and half assed. There are some pretty amazing hymnos songs in there though. If I became a billionaire I'd fix it up lol. That fan service was too much though, not even talking about stripsphere, it is the other parts that were so bad lol. As I recall... one scene involved toilet fetish? wth? lol.
Any Atelier / Mana Khemia / Ar Tonelico series is still by far my top priority RPG games to play, they gave me so much impact on RPG Games since my childhood till now
Mysterious sweep raaaaaah! I saw Soapy and Firis on top, I am content, happy, and my day is overall better.
Iris 2 I loved for its music and Gray (they really need to have another playable dragon guy like him again). Iris 3 I also loved for its music, its interesting premise with other worlds, job class feature (no other title has ever attempted this again), and excellent combat system (which got further boosted in Mana Khemia and its sequel, reaching a crazy peak of assists and special moves they didn't attempt again until post Ayesha). I haven't been able to keep up with the series for a very long time now and I only know Sophie and Plachta through their appearance in Warriors All-Stars. I honestly don't have the time for these time-intensive games like I used to, but I really would like to get to them at some point.
I really agree with a lot of your rankings. Also love the video timestamp titles, they are hilarious.
The Lydie/Sue placement hurts my soul, it's one of my top 3 games alongside Sophie 2 & Ryza 2 lmao. Mysterious series is peak Atelier in general imo! I can definitely see your points though, it's just interesting to see where everyone's priorities are! I'm mostly just here for the vibe, story and characters. I love the twins and their world, especially the paintings felt really magical to me which hooked me a lot on the game. Same with the dream world of Sophie 2!
It's also why I'm afraid I won't like Yumia. I love my Atelier games a bit more cutesy, laid-back and magical when it comes to vibes, and Yumia feels a lot more... serious/"dark" which isn't really up my alley sadly.
Also, thank god I'm not the only one who feels disappointed about Ryza 3! I love the story & new characters, but the gameplay and especially exploration felt so tedious to me that it kinda became a slog inbetween the story segments. Which is especially sad since Ryza 2 is one of my favs...
Ahaha, my opinion on L&S is definitely an unpopular one for sure. It's still a good game anyways :)
Yeah, Yumia to me looks like it'll nail the exploration aspect but definitely lose the charming, magical, cutesy vibes etc which is a dang shame. I think I'll still like it but I don't like that they feel they have to go for a more serious tone either, there's uncountable other games out there for that. We'll see!
@atelierangela every rpg series seems to be changing their core gimmicks that actually make the series and I don't understand why
Atelier Iris 1-3 and Mana Khemia was my entire childhood, it was the game that inspired me to become an artist. These games shaped the person that I am today and my taste in games, art, music and many more. Some people may say that the story and plot are just some generic JRPG story but after these games, no other games have really evoke that feeling for me anymore, the sense of nostalgia even though it was the first time you played the game. They feel ancient and full of mysteries, What happened to the world? Who did it? When did it all begun?
So I can understand your point about how different it is compared to modern Atelier games. Because from my own point of view, modern Atelier games are not my cup of tea, I tried them, and I tried really hard to convinced myself that I'm supposed to love these game, they are The Atelier series after all, but after a while I realize the Atelier that I used to love has already gone now. They don't make those kind of games anymore. But I am forever thankful for the honor of ever playing these games during those times in my childhood
im saving this video for work tomorrow, but i took a little peak at the end result and.. firis is my beloved. i knew from very early on in the game that it was going to be special! im wrapping it up now actually and going to begin L&S right after, but firis is my ultimate alchemist ❤
Omg Ayesha was my first game too!! I saw the box art at GameStop and couldn’t resist. Now it’s one of my favourite game series!
EDIT so with Ayesha, Sophie, and Ryazan 1 being S tier and based on your overall commentary, it seems like we have similar tastes in what we look for in an Atelier game lol. Though I personally really like Mana Khemia too
In Esca Logy I did not like the fact than I could not synthetize multiples items at the same time. That was annoying
Nice to see Shallie up so high, it's my personal favorite from the series. I love basically everything about it except for how stale the combat feels for the first few chapters. I feel like if I made a tierlist there wouldn't be any games in the F tier, not even Annie...
Also hearing someone got into the series because of Haruka Shimotsuki is great, her songs are just so charming in general. I got into the games because of the music too, and it's the main reason Atelier is within my all time favorite series. It's also one of the reasons I couldn't get that much into the Ryza series tho...
(Unrelated, but I just noticed that your icon is Himawari-san so based taste.)
I'm new to Atelier games, but man, I'm only at Nemed and have the same exact thoughts as you with the quantity over quality open world, keys (outright ignoring them early in the game) and skill tree (I REALLY hecked up the path I went with and just had to exploit the SPs solely to complete the capable chopping Axe quest) lol. I guess the only good thing about being OP so early in the game means if I can power through the main campaign faster = I can get to play other Atelier games faster. Which is a shame bc that's prob not what they intended the game to be, and I enjoyed 1 and 2 a lot!
Miss Sunflower is 11/10
It’s so nice to hear my thoughts on Ryza 3 validated 😭 I was so disappointed with the direction they took
This is a massive success as a tier list because about a third of the list I'm thinking "nailed the placement no notes," a third "I think your argument is sound even if I disagree," and a third "HOW DARE YOU," lol. Firis is basically the worst game in the series that I somehow still like; Shallie is the best game in the series that I nevertheless don't feel great about; I am a Nelke stan, our army is legion, and all dozen of us will fight you about that placement.
Biggest takeaway from this is I should really revisit Elie, I played a tiny bit of it right after finishing the Marie fan translation and kind of wrote it off as "more of the same, put it on a shelf for a bit and come back to it later." I do still hope there's an Elie Remake in our future though!
Elie is more of the same in a lot of ways, massively improved in a lot of other ways - it's still an old Atelier game, so it's definitely rough in areas, but the jump from Marie to Elie felt pretty big to me! I should get back to playing it too lol
Ryza, Shallie, Totori and Marie are my favorites.
Both games and Characters.
Plus, The music in them are awesome.
Also, Totori was my intro to the series.
since someone recommended it to me because of the music and it just being pretty good.
The thing with Iris and Khemia was, it's the PS2 era and JRPG become so competitive so I think they need to make "edgier and more serious" game like everyone else hence GUST also make AT, in fact, it's so surprising when PS3 comes, they continue making Atelier to be girl bishojou game after Escha and Lodgy which is the closer to mana khemia gameplay and boy girl formula. Probabbly, yuri all feels good game sells more in JP back then, GUST is the only known developer who make bishojo JRPG after all. People who grown up playing Suikoden, Xenogears and BOF probabbly will prefer Mana khemia and Iris since it totally has romance ending and serious anime story. The modern Aterlier game, is now a totally different market and they know they're the only one who make it.
I haven't gotten to play Marie or Elie despite those two being playable in english right now, easily my biggest blind spot in the series that I've been meaning to get to.
My favorites in the series are the dusk trilogy and Iris 2. I ADORE Iris 2, while the biggest sour spot is Lydie and Seulle for similar reasons you've brought up TBH.
Hopeful for Yumia! A lot of the new stuff looks cool and some of the old stuff reminds me a bit of systems in Iris I missed.
Loved Ayesha. Enjoyed the gameplay of Escha, but hated the writing. Shallie is incredible!
It’s videos like these that make me wanna jump back into the series. I tried my very damn best to enjoy it through playing the mysterious trilogy as my first time in the series. I played Sophie for about 40 hours but got stuck cause i guess I’m just bad at games where you need to craft things without help. 🤣 regardless, I’ve listened to most of the series music, I “play” Resleriana and I watch a lot of your videos. I truly to my soul adore the series for what it is and the character designs and the opinions of those that actually love the games. Something about it just speaks to me regardless if I’m just some stalking casual that hasn’t beaten a game. 💪🏽🙌🏼
It's okay to play the games at your own pace! They can be pretty difficult sometimes tbh. If you're a fan you're a fan :)
firis sweep!
playing firis just does sth special to you, especially the open world is surprisingly engaging even if its kind of empty on paper. idk why i love the game so much 😅
as always ryza1 is a top tier game and an amazing entry point for new players of the series
hope yumia will actually fix ryza3's issues, because my feelings with ryza3 are the same as angelas with L&S... which is disappointing 😔
music is a bit loud..
OMG I hadn't found anyone who would share my feelings/opinions on each of the Mysterious entries until now! Despite its shortcomings, Firis is also my favourite (due to Firis herself, the structure of the story, the world, the music... just thinking about it makes me want to play again), Loved Sophie, best Synthesis IMO, and really disliked Lydie and Suelle -to the point of being my least favourite Atelier so far, having played Secret, Mysterious and Dusk trilogies-, I didn't like the twins, didn't enjoy the synthesis or combat, and HATED having to go through whole large areas from the beginning whenever I revisited them. Great video, cheers :D
I still need to get around to replaying Sophie. I've replayed all the modern Atelier games except that one, and Ryza 1 and 3
This is my favorite franchise and there are no bad games here at all imo. Which is quite a feat considering how many games there are. Mana Khemia is my all time favorite, it's so fun
Personally, I’d place Atelier Yumia in the “never played” tier.
Atelier Sophie was my first Atelier game and I really enjoyed some of the absolute bullshit that you could get on items. I remember having an AoE healing item that resurrected and full healed the entire party when I used it, and then also resurrected and full healed the entire party at the start of the next turn. I thought there was basically no way I could lose a fight, until I ran into bosses that cursed the party or that boss that imposed a stacking max hp penalty on the party every round. (When will they add Leon to Resleriana?)
I played Atelier Firis as well, I did think the alchemy was a step down, but loved the exploration. I thought it was very funny that everyone you meet is extremely impressed by the Atelier tent when that was made by Sophie, and Firis never bothers correcting them.
Played Lydie & Suelle for a bit but got worn down a bit by the item grind and kind of stopped. I bought some of the other games but never got around to playing them, partly because I got into Paradox Interactive games and subsequently gacha games, both of which are massive time sinks.
Firis at the top as it should be, best girl deserves everything.
Mysterious series will always hold a place at the top for me as I enjoyed it the most, also because Sophie 1 was my 1st game into the series.
A do agree with Ryza 3 open world, so many area's felt empty that just weren't necessary. There wasn't even any mini bosses in secluded areas like the ice area in Cleria or the shore area in Nemed.
Key's were & are still an abysmal mechanic that was introduced, my 1st playthrough basically ignored them entirely. Even at endgame when trying to min-max stats, key RNG was so bad that all you did was reset fish until you got a perfect key. Once aspect that I did like about Ryza 3 was that they scaled the quality of materials in previous area's as you progressed the story, was super nice when you need to quickly gather a decent quality material. Also ponytail Patty is super cute.
As for Meruru, I just finished my 1st playthrough last night & currently going for 100%; definitely a lot of backtracking & a lot more character scenes in comparison to Rorona/Totori. Mimi simping for her wife is cute aswell.
Haven't touched any of the older generation & Dusk series yet, but I look forward to the Dusk series once I'm done with Meruru.
Mimi is definitely the best part of Meruru I think loooool
I started the series with Iris 1 and 2, loved them both, but obviously they're very different than most entries. I have no idea what was going on with Iris 3 though. I started it right after 1 and 2, excited to finally play as Iris... but its a completely different character with the same first name, why is it Iris 3?? I still don't know.
All i've played thus far is dusk and the gachas (Ayesha was my first game and she will forever be the best girl. I have not played any DX versions though cause the DX pack is kinda too expensive for me atm with it only being digital.) With you ranting about Ryza 3 tho. The usless treasure chests bit made me laugh, as it reminds me of the OG FFXII game where if you opened up the wrong chests/barrels you'd lose your chance of getting the zodiac spear, which was the strongest weapon in the game, which was changed in the zodiac age version because it also got powercrept by the seitengrat which is invisible in an invisible chest on an airship lmao (with very heavy rng. Got it the chest once, forgot to unequip a certain accessory so i didn't get it. I was so mad lol.)
In regards to AO, i also played it on global and while it was fun, the gacha was trash, it took me 31 pulls to get Mimi and the story was barely present and pretty repetitive (you can join the academy!! Are words i'm not sure i'll ever want to hear again) I do like the enhance system and i wish it'd get implemented in Resleri. Wonder if we'll get any AO characters added in Resleri, too lol.
In regards to Yumia, it doesn't really feel like an Atelier game to me from the trailer and i'm not sure i'm gonna like the synth system but hopefully i'll be proven wrong.
Mana Khemia are my absolute favourites in the series. I looove the combat.
damn totori lot lower than i hoped haha but i am biased since its the second atelier game i played ever, after rorona
original rorona was pretty wild, its more punishing than totori with the deadlines, all skills uses HP since there wasnt MP and gathering upgrade equipments wasn't a thing at all iirc
EDIT: ALSO you have to pay to have some of your party members join you, and Sterk was the most expensive member with cordy being cheapest, i think they address that in totori too lol
I should definitely play original Rorona some time just to experience all of that haha, just rough that it's stuck on PS3. Sounds absolutely terrible!
fwiw, paying party members was still a thing even in plus/DX!
@@atelierangela gust probably wouldve changed that if that callback scene with rorona and sterk didnt exist in totori maybe
This video is a before and after, I liked you before this xd. I thought you played the ones that weren't released outside Japan since you understand Japanese quite well. Also with that rip the otome, Hermina and Culus, and the others not even mentioned xd
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My Japanese is actually not that good! Definitely not good enough to play games in Japanese at a decent pace. And yeah, I left out spin-offs (besides the ones in English) because I don't have anything to say about them unfortunately
I love my Shallies, so I shall accept this rating for them.
I like Ayesha and Sophie the best I think. The dusk games have a nice vibe, although I haven't played Shallie yet because I've been waiting to finish Ryza 2 first. I just booted Ryza 2 yesterday after not having touched it in nearly two years. I have no idea what's going on. BTW I know you rated Ayesha high because of Keithgriff.
in spite of keithgriff...
We need Dusk 4th installment to complete the story 🥲
the first Atelier game ive played was Ryza. Dont get me wrong because i do like the game, but all the atelier games ive played so far, which are only some of the newer ones btw. always come with so many flaws, issues and bad design decisions that it really takes out alot of fun out of these games. Like Hidden Systems, some things beeing overly complicated to the point where you have to look up guides, like you know what to do, but dont know how or why some things dont work even though they should. its really weird sometimes like that. Which is also the reason why i dont even wanna try the older games because i am just assuming its gonna be even worse than that
phyllis mistroot is goated today too
Ryza is my very first Atelier game but Lydie/Sue is what makes me love this franchise. It sure is not a good game but it's musics and relaxing vibe touched my soul.
Sophie 2 is still the best Atelier for me so far.
And why the hell do people love Firis that much? Me included. I think Firis is not the game made to be good, but to be loved
Was not expecting the ryza 3 being at C tier, I just beat 1 and 2 and am about 4 hours into 3… guess I’ll have to see why and finish it. My biggest gripe atm is the pc port looks kinda weird? Maybe because the game was made for the switch, but models and textures are oddly pixelated and the subtitles are too small to read. Oh yeah, the chests are stupid too.. neutralizers? Really? Ahahah
All I'll say is enjoy the game for what it is, you very well might have a different opinion! For a lot of people it's their favorite Ryza game due to the writing and other stuff like the movement, etc.
Game definitely wasn't made for switch, in fact from what I've heard the font issues end up being even worse on the switch's small screen. As far as the other issue goes, you might need to turn off Depth of Field and maybe also Motion Blur in the settings
I was also sad about Ryza 3. I wish Gust didn't try to cook with so many raw additions to the gameplay, especially for the grand finale of the trilogy.
I hope Ryza 3 crawled so Yumia could fly (please be good) 🙏
Yo; that’s the impression I got after watching the Yumia trailer. Things that Ryza 3 established like faster movement and on-field actions in the overworld; different modes of travel, and larger expanses of environments seem to be getting much more polish and mechanical flourish in Yumia.
Combat has also returned to ATB and it seems like it’ll pack more bells and whistles than what Ryza started establishing. Hopefully the cool shit in Ryza 3’s combat gets magnified here and the poor stuff, recognized and jettisoned from the gameplay
Mana Khemia 2 is like Mana Khemia 1. However there's more cute girls and it feels more vibey than mana khemia 1 to me I can recommend it to try for abit i don't think you'll finish it though to be perfectly honest.
Atelier Shipwreck, Atelier Soapy, Atelier Thighza lol.
you should try mana khemia 2 is pretty fun.
I went “YES” at the Lydie n Suelle part because I also think their dad SUCKS. His presence ruined the game for me so badly, sorry I don’t think a man should be able to get away with forcing his daughters into work with the implicit threat of letting them starve. He was an absolute bum and the game tries to play it like its cute or silly, while also having a scene of Lydie n Sue literally pass out due to extreme hunger. Terrible vibe killer.
Aha, Roger is a bit of a sore spot for me too because he reminded me exaaaaactly of the dad of some of my best friends from middle school! I guess in some ways that makes him a well written character, but it was still just, ugh! Not what I want in my Atelier game!
Your background music is way to loud, it's hard to understand what you are saying.
I have noticed that a lot of diehard Atelier fans happen to be female, i wonder if thats just a coincidence or it appeals more to girls? , i have been wanting to try more of these because of Ryza 1 where i really appreciated how crazy you can go with the crafting/alchemy system and the story being not as cliche where there's one big bad guy you have to beat or something that you would see in most jrpgs
That was true with the first batch of games. But the developer has been trying to attract a certain type of male player by giving the female characters huge boobs and have them wear stockings that are several sizes smaller than they should be.
As an atelier female fan, yes atelier series have way more female players than the average jrpgs. There are lots of things in atelier series that appeal to girls much more than you think, such as lots of solid likable female protags, girly cutesy vibes, aesthetically pleasing character designs for both male and female characters, etc.
@@TatankaTaylor yeah the ryza games really kickstarted that trend. but I don't really hate fanservice as long as it's done moderately (also ngl I do kinda like booba 😂), and so far the fanservice isn't really all over the place or anything so I'm still cautiously optimistic.
Escha and logy ruined the dusk series story :( Ayesha set it up really well but there was almost nothing to follow up on what was established on outside of reappearing characters and names being thrown around.
Also....I want to go to central one day
i still can't believe escha & logy is B the story alone is great the combat is also great not the best..the time management is still the worse same with ayesha but its still the best in term of story same with ayeha tho.
again different ppl have different choice i guess..ppl these day prefer cute think and not story focus.
all dusk series is introduced to great story and more serious so is kinda shock to see the 2nd dusk set in B while i get it there complain with alchemist system and time management..is old entry with stupid time management like arland has..again ppl has different choice 😅
this tier list sucks where's fairy tail............. everyone loves atelier lucy heartfilia and the upcoming atelier brandish neuenmuller......!
i forgot i'll atone by playing fairy tail 2
S-Tier Ayesha~~~~~~~
I started off with totori, so for a long time I've kinda had the bad habbit of thinking what a good atelier game should be with that game in mind. So of course I hated the the mystery series because it felt like you were doing alchemy on a bingo card. Ryza series came along and I agree with liking ryza 1 the most. However it didn't feel like an atelier game with the combat. I really didn't enjoy it as much as turn based. Also, it felt like it got away from bombs and stuff from being the focus.
lol the timestamp..
i become fan after Ryza and i played all of them! and i currently having a blast with sophie 2..
but unfortunately i kinda dislike sophie 2 synt compared with ryza.. its harder to get max potential of the item what we made (im not finish the game yet, but im one step away from the lastest dungeon..
my fav is Ryza 3.. that game is superb!
sadly its not so challenging since i have knowledge from ryza 1 and 2.. also we cannot select charismatic difficulty at start, hard is way too easy... and the world is kinda hollow.. altho the world is astonishing! very beautiful! sadly they didnt use it well and make the world more fuller..
cant wait for Atelier Yumia1 i def gonna preorder it
EDIT: im totally agreed with you on Ryza 3.. in compared Sophie 2 is much more challenging.. altho i hate that aura system on Sophie 2
1:00 Nope, I'm out, sorry, goodbye!!
Sorry Sherkel... Our worlds just aren't the same...
@@atelierangela You should move to mine. Everything's way more interesting than others say it is, but you'll get infections a lot.
@@atelierangela My comment got deleted! But you should come to my world! It's cool!
Damn you're rating the AT games and you forgot ar tonelico ess emmm achhh
I'm pretty simple. If it's atelier, I love it. I've played all the localized games in the series minus Resleriana because gatcha scares me and I avoid them at all cost. Nelke is the only one I didn't care for and my favorites are Firis and Meruru. It's always cool to see other's opinions on the series. I am so excited for Yumia. March 21 cannot come fast enough.
I couldn't put my feelings about the Lydie and Suelle into words, but you did so wonderfully: they're "bratty". They feel incredibly immature compared to the other atelier protagonists. It's probably because they actually have a present family, but it feels like they're both the bratty little sister. They're overly mean to people who only deserve about half the hostility (except their father. Sorry not sorry man, but you deserve every bit you get), and don't have any positive traits to make up for it. Plus, Lydie's outfit REALLY bothers me with the underage side-boobs. The game is GORGEOUS OH MY GOD, but that's easily its strongest point to it.
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Solid list. But I would change the following:
Firis goes to C (Worst protagonist, game doesn't fall to F due nice side characters)
Lydie & Sue goes to B+
Ayesha goes to GOAT
Nelke goes to C+. Game is fun, but lacks polish, it was clear that was a rushed game.
Mana Khemia and Iris from Never Pfayed all the way to B.
Escha & Logy goes to A
Dusk is my favorite trilogy by a long stretch and Ayesha is the best girl.
It's so interesting to hear other people's opinions on each game! Although I have different thoughts on some titles, I respect your opinions! Thank you for sharing your thoughts, this was definitely interesting to watch ☺️
Out of the ones that I have played, I think I had the most fun with Sophie (my baby), Rorona Plus, and Lulua 🩷