Yeah I remember the art tips you mentioned here. I know some say they interpreted the rule differently but there absolutely were a lot of art quick tips that are exactly what was described in this video. It's easy to assume people mean well, and they probably did, however even I fell into the trap of "don't use black because it isn't natural" when learning color theory. I do think it may have set me back because I was scared of using colors too close to black as a whole. The video does a very good job at looking at how quick tips can lead people down a bad path and honestly, the comments here solidifies it even more because people have so many interpretations of what this rule even meant. With that in mind yeah it is overgeneralizing and confusing to a new artists to be told "never use black" with none of the extra notes that matter. The mention of the reason the rule exists is so important to the video. There is a reason this rule ever existed in the first place. It is true in realism that things are rarely purely black and there is always something that will tint a shadow to another color. I just wanted to comment because I saw people expressing how they interpreted the rule and I felt like that didn't mean this video was less accurate, it just feeds into how quick tips are vague and can often not be that helpful. It feels like Neolucc was speaking from personal experience and I really relate to the experience mentioned in this video.
Its just so good at holding and emphasizing neighbouring colors. I started using black when I discovered about City-pop Artstyle from certain eroges. I hope newbies try to break this "no black rule" thing and experiment.
I always thought they meant pure black for all shadows. Or when you airbrush shadows. I saw artists do the latter and depending on the own style and opacity it can look good. I think it is a tipp for beginners, and advanced artist can experiment with black if they want and already have experience on how colors work in general. For me, I aways connected this way of shading with linework. Like, you draw the outlines, then determine the black areas, then fill in colors, but I guess you could add colors first and add black afterwards as well. Thanks for sharing what you have observed 😊
Well the rule is not to shade with black without intention Aka mixing a colour with black to make every colour dark without caring for values which make or break an art piece So as much I like ur vids, this feels wrong and made out of spite without understanding the intention of the tip Since shading with only black, like its in manga or more graphic work and mixing black to colour (which u would also call shading with black) are two completely different things
When I script my videos, usually what I write is what I would say to my younger self when I knew nothing about art, what I would want myself to know back then. And unfortunately back then I took these tips like "don't use pure black" seriously. As I said in my video, now I know why people typically don't shade with black (bc irl reflected light tints the colours), but if I seem spiteful please don't take this as a hate video against ppl who do parrot these quick tips. I just feel strongly about ppl spreading these types of tips to beginners without addressing to them why these tips are made. Just making the vague statement "oh but this tip doesn't work for everything" is a nothing statement because that statement can apply to anything and beginners will just ignore it. I don't want ppl to learn the hard way that not all tips should be taken equally, like I did. I hope this comes across sincerely.
I kind of agree, especially the rant + “sh*tty art tips” at the end. I think your tone came across as harsher in this video because of your personal experiences, and realistically it seems this tip was mostly a product of miscommunications since it seems the rest of the comments are also under the impression that “shading without black” was not the full scope of the tips. I think a more positive framing on the video would have fixed all these issues.
I would love for it to be series. I think generalized art tips can be helpful in certain scenarios but I think many people don't realize that some rules like "don't shade with black" were litteraly enforced with mass bullying online (with videos like solarsand's) so it's a good thing to disprove them and show people there are many possibilities in art.
There's a game series called Etrian Odyssey which very often uses pure black for character portraits, and the enemy sprites before it went 3D. It was one of my earliest inspirations, and then I got sad when using black for shadows was 'no good' (I was young, the concept of not listening to adults didn't exist yet! I also misunderstood what they meant, admittedly) I still don't think using black to darken colors is a commonly good move, but the contrast you get from using pure black just looks so cool.
I think every tip should be re-evaluated on Objective of each drawing, but its mostly agreeable on this one. While I'm still following the "No Black Rule" to learn bounce light, it can be mandatory for some desired results. Example if the work is going to be printed on a shirt - where visibility and light reflection off a shirt matters a lot - then, I'd use pure black. A lot of less black background gets faded in my old comic collections too. Therefore there's should not be a complete aversion to pure black. There are also days where using direct color and banning pure black only putting me into artblock or the art gets too hazy to decipher - even difficult to stand out. So I'd just draw in black and white before coloring on top of it the other day. Not to mention since I scan most of my traditionals, it can be neccessary for pure black to differentiate the positioning of lots of hatching in comparison to object in focus. Pure black gets used a lot before gradually shifted to other colors too. Especially since I have to use black as negative space or baseline. I'm still a beginner so I cannot differentiate dark purple to deep blue to pure black most of the time. Sorry for rambling, thanks for the video.
I think they mean to say "you should know how to shade without black but you can still use it if it's a choice and not a necessity".
I always thought this was referring to not using pure black to get a darker shade of color, instead of literally never using black.
Yeah I remember the art tips you mentioned here. I know some say they interpreted the rule differently but there absolutely were a lot of art quick tips that are exactly what was described in this video. It's easy to assume people mean well, and they probably did, however even I fell into the trap of "don't use black because it isn't natural" when learning color theory. I do think it may have set me back because I was scared of using colors too close to black as a whole. The video does a very good job at looking at how quick tips can lead people down a bad path and honestly, the comments here solidifies it even more because people have so many interpretations of what this rule even meant. With that in mind yeah it is overgeneralizing and confusing to a new artists to be told "never use black" with none of the extra notes that matter.
The mention of the reason the rule exists is so important to the video. There is a reason this rule ever existed in the first place. It is true in realism that things are rarely purely black and there is always something that will tint a shadow to another color. I just wanted to comment because I saw people expressing how they interpreted the rule and I felt like that didn't mean this video was less accurate, it just feeds into how quick tips are vague and can often not be that helpful. It feels like Neolucc was speaking from personal experience and I really relate to the experience mentioned in this video.
I think they should say “don’t shade with pure black if you don’t know how to do it, else it will look bad” 😭
Its just so good at holding and emphasizing neighbouring colors.
I started using black when I discovered about City-pop Artstyle from certain eroges. I hope newbies try to break this "no black rule" thing and experiment.
I always thought they meant pure black for all shadows. Or when you airbrush shadows. I saw artists do the latter and depending on the own style and opacity it can look good. I think it is a tipp for beginners, and advanced artist can experiment with black if they want and already have experience on how colors work in general. For me, I aways connected this way of shading with linework. Like, you draw the outlines, then determine the black areas, then fill in colors, but I guess you could add colors first and add black afterwards as well. Thanks for sharing what you have observed 😊
Well the rule is not to shade with black without intention
Aka mixing a colour with black to make every colour dark without caring for values which make or break an art piece
So as much I like ur vids, this feels wrong and made out of spite without understanding the intention of the tip
Since shading with only black, like its in manga or more graphic work and mixing black to colour (which u would also call shading with black) are two completely different things
When I script my videos, usually what I write is what I would say to my younger self when I knew nothing about art, what I would want myself to know back then. And unfortunately back then I took these tips like "don't use pure black" seriously.
As I said in my video, now I know why people typically don't shade with black (bc irl reflected light tints the colours), but if I seem spiteful please don't take this as a hate video against ppl who do parrot these quick tips. I just feel strongly about ppl spreading these types of tips to beginners without addressing to them why these tips are made. Just making the vague statement "oh but this tip doesn't work for everything" is a nothing statement because that statement can apply to anything and beginners will just ignore it.
I don't want ppl to learn the hard way that not all tips should be taken equally, like I did. I hope this comes across sincerely.
I kind of agree, especially the rant + “sh*tty art tips” at the end. I think your tone came across as harsher in this video because of your personal experiences, and realistically it seems this tip was mostly a product of miscommunications since it seems the rest of the comments are also under the impression that “shading without black” was not the full scope of the tips.
I think a more positive framing on the video would have fixed all these issues.
I think that's a your problem
I would love for it to be series.
I think generalized art tips can be helpful in certain scenarios but I think many people don't realize that some rules like "don't shade with black" were litteraly enforced with mass bullying online (with videos like solarsand's) so it's a good thing to disprove them and show people there are many possibilities in art.
Me who’s working with a comic that’s all black and white…
There's a game series called Etrian Odyssey which very often uses pure black for character portraits, and the enemy sprites before it went 3D. It was one of my earliest inspirations, and then I got sad when using black for shadows was 'no good' (I was young, the concept of not listening to adults didn't exist yet! I also misunderstood what they meant, admittedly)
I still don't think using black to darken colors is a commonly good move, but the contrast you get from using pure black just looks so cool.
I think every tip should be re-evaluated on Objective of each drawing, but its mostly agreeable on this one.
While I'm still following the "No Black Rule" to learn bounce light, it can be mandatory for some desired results. Example if the work is going to be printed on a shirt - where visibility and light reflection off a shirt matters a lot - then, I'd use pure black. A lot of less black background gets faded in my old comic collections too. Therefore there's should not be a complete aversion to pure black.
There are also days where using direct color and banning pure black only putting me into artblock or the art gets too hazy to decipher - even difficult to stand out. So I'd just draw in black and white before coloring on top of it the other day. Not to mention since I scan most of my traditionals, it can be neccessary for pure black to differentiate the positioning of lots of hatching in comparison to object in focus.
Pure black gets used a lot before gradually shifted to other colors too. Especially since I have to use black as negative space or baseline. I'm still a beginner so I cannot differentiate dark purple to deep blue to pure black most of the time.
Sorry for rambling, thanks for the video.
This might be random but your voice sounds like sliver wolf combined with Kafka (from honkai star rail)😄Love the video!
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