Denmark took over an island (among thousand other islands during Viking Age and after) that was inhabited by black people? Did they bring said black people back? no. They stayed on the Island. Denmark (and Norway and Sweden) all have a history of taking over many islands and claiming it as theirs. We still own Greenland and Faroe Island. In the original 1836 TLM by H.C.Andersen, he states poetically and metaphorically, that her skin was as clear and delicate as a rose leaf (Being clear of marks, scratches etc. soft smooth clear skin from blemishes) and that her eyes were as blue as the deep sea, and that her arms and legs were white. The population in Denmark itself (not talking about islands that are thousands of miles away) is not as diverse as other western countries. In Copenhagen, the major city of Denmark, you will find a lot of diversity and foreigners with visas who are either studying, or trying to get a job in denmark. In Odense (the birthplace and childhood/adulthood of H.C.Andersen) you wont find diversity. Growing up as a child in my hometown Odense, we actually did not have a single POC student in my school. very rare. Not a single Chinese takeaway store, or indian grocery store, nothing. Story telling is a huge part of many cultures around the world. As an Odense kid, story telling is how Indigenous Danish children are brought up (Watch the 1975 The Little Mermaid movie that's free on RUclips, they respectfully did an introduction to Denmark and it's story telling culture of folklores before the movie started). In Norse Mythology, Rán is a Vanir sea goddess with an unpredictable and dangerous personality. Rán is married to Ægir, a sea-giant, and together they have nine daughters (see Nine Daughters of Ægir) who are waves. I could go on, but I will leave it at that. Would be interesting if you made a video like this, but of Princess and the frog and how a white Grimms Brothers fairytale was color-blind changed to be black.
I can see why you may be taking this personally, the original version obviously means something to you. It's just a theory based on the only logical connection Denmark has to black people and evidence from the original Disney movie. And even though this movie is going in a different direction, rest assured the animated movie isn't going anywhere, and furthermore TLM ip is safely in the Public Domain. There is and will be plenty of other versions.
@@JLisleWrites I dont think you reqlly understand the core problem here. You can see that this persin is passionate about the culture pf Denmark and it's orgin but you fail to see also that perhaps there are some really die hard Disney fans that grew up with these stories and only to see these stories change COMPLETELY. You said it yourself in the video that all the movies tried to be as cultural as possible and cast people accordly. TLM should not be different to the animated version and this movie releasing will just cause a divide because people like OP and myself want things to be aesthetically the same. Disney has done it with Marvel amd Star Wars and look how much money those movies made, now they are doing it with thier own stories. Its Pandering and the more people realize this the better.
@@madcat789 Ofcourse and thats because all they do is just insult and troll. Hold ridiculous ideals because "oh its my moment to go viral! Social Justice!". Mean while, Tanya and others have their favourite characters they are really passionate about be dragged through the dirt. Identity politics is a cancer which has no cure.
I don't think Disney or anyone needs to justify her casting. She's a great singer. The fact that is she's only from Europe because that's where HCA was from. It's not part of her identity, unlike if they cast her in say a live action Frozen where The Ice Princess is Northern European.
The Little Mermaid statue in Denmark (CPH) is visited by over 1 million people per year. Denmark is the tourist hotspot for mermaids and fairytale characters. No one travels to Africa to see mermaids, tourists travel to Africa to see wildlife and nature. Den Lille Havfrue is an iconic figure to Denmark and has been for over 200 years.
@@--Nemesis she only got the role because Beyonce is Halle and Chloe manager. After being chosen to voice the role of Nala in The Lion King, Beyonce demanded Disney to cast Halle as Ariel. It's all about who you know, not talent. In 1997 with Brandys Cinderella it's the same thing, Whitney Houstan demanded a black Cinderella, and she was granted that. Lol
This is clearly the Caribbean, or at the very least serious cultural appropriation. I think the new movie will be a course correct, but I wonder how much of the new movie I will have gotten right. Either way don't feel bad about it, it'll just be one of many many other Little Mermaid adaptations. Anyway, thanks for watching! Enjoy my next vid!
I appreciate your research into the history of this story, and that's good for people to know, but they're adapting the Little Mermaid story not its inspiration. The basis of your question about pale skin and red hair is also misleading. If your preference is that depiction, then enjoy the dozens of other Little Mermaid and other Mermaid related properties set to film depicting them as Caucasian. Disney already made that- while relying heavily on Caribbean culture and other cultures to tell that story (which is ingrained in the films identity)- they don't have to choose to do it again. Adaptation is conscious decision making about how to tell a story and is always different. The original story was inspired by mermaid mythology not based on it. It was also a published book, that is now public domain, not folklore like Mulan. By that logic, the entire conceit of the Hamilton play warrants revision. Regardless of how you look at it the Little Mermaid was a story book, it is in the public domain, people can change it to tell the story in new creative ways in this case telling the story from the perspective of a Black mermaid, which could have more Historical (not mythological) relevance to Danish history than the original story.
@@JLisleWrites I haven’t watched the whole remake yet, just the reviews. But even in the cartoon, the action takes place in warm regions with palm trees and flamingos.
According to Disney, TLM is set in the Mediterranean Sea, NOT THE CARIBBEAN! My family is from the Mediterranean and basically there's not a great deal from the movie that makes us think it would be set there. But even if it was, Ariel wouldn't be black. Also, considering the proximity of the time setting and the slave trade, it becomes historically inaccurate to suggest white princes would be entertaining stay, mute black girls. Also in TLM 3 the reason for Triton's hate of humans is already explained (they ran over his queen with a ship). Nice try but your reasoning fails on a few levels.
This is basically just Hollywood's latest attack on white redheaded characters by trading them for African American actors to appeal to "the larger and more politically protected minority".
09:02 That is by far, the most ridiculous things Ive heard yet regarding TLM. Disney, simply put, are pandering. That it. You want to make a live action movie of the source, you go ahead and copy the source. Add some flavour like a new song or some new scenes like they did with Aladdin. Dont replace characters though. Ariel that I know is a white red head with blue eyes ( from the Danish seas considering the author ) and thats that. I hope HB steps down because forever she will be know as a person that has ruined a disney princess just because of greed.
The main problem is since the remakes or adaptations of video games/books happened it really seems like the woke cultures enjoys color washing people especially the red heads i mean they actually go out their way to do this its the attitude and lack of respect for the source material that pisses people off. Example Triss from the Witcher who comes from a Polish background is now being color changed and the new spiderman movie series has gotten the same treatment.
Actually color washing isn't an actual social phenomenon. What you're describing is equal representation. This phenomenon occurs when people of color in American are inserted into pop culture properties so that they are represented equitably. This is necessary because most properties are decades old and at the time of their inception racist media practices excluded people of color from most of these properties. So, some characters are rewritten for future adaptations. Adaptations that are liable to change as the American cultural zeitgeist evolves. Just like here, The Little Mermaid movie is an adaptation of The Little Mermaid by Hans Christian Anderson. Disney is well within their rights to change the Little Mermaid movie based upon the sway of American values because the movie is an American property. The Little Mermaid story by Anderson is the Danish property, and stays the same.
@@JLisleWrites ok your entitled to your opinion however what you explained should also mean white washing shouldnt be a big deal either. Whatever the case the reason why i subbed to you was your Naruto video on female characters.
White washing is only a big deal if you care about people of color. The difference is changing a white character to a person of color includes them in narratives and histories from which they've been marginalized. Making a character of color a white person, excludes them from stories and histories in which they are already underrepresented. That's insult to injury. Even still you and your ideas are much appreciated.
@@JLisleWrites Thats kinda the reason why i dont like color washing from this decade. Its same with remakes turning male characters into female characters (Ghostbusters 2016 and the new Terminator movie)
Again, color washing isn't real. You're talking about racebending. I'm not a fan of race or gender bent characters myself either, but I've liked it maybe once or twice. But as a POC I try to have an open mind even if it usually isn't my preference. I probably prefer black Nick Fury now, not that anyone else has to.
@@onewayticket2148 You really sound like one of those people who always look for things to be offended by. Maybe try a break from social media once in a while. Also there's nothing wrong with changing the appearance of actors when they don't look the part.
@@onewayticket2148 Of course there's no point in arguing when you realize you've lost the argument. Thare's nothing wrong with my comment, deal with it.
@@onewayticket2148 this is just feigned ignorance. This is a remedial concept as far as racism is concerned. If he didn't see a problem he wouldn't have responded.
I don’t see why this is even a debate. Ariel is literally a mermaid, she lives under the sea, and talks to fish. Her skin could be blue tbh. It’s not like she lives in Denmark, she lives in the ocean😂. Also tbh as long as the movie is good, none of this should really matter.
I do see the view with fans on wanting her to be white so the film is closer to the animation, I really do understand that. I’m just thinking that Ariel isn’t human, she is from a totally different world, and we have no idea what a mermaid actually looks like so I don’t see why her skin color matters. Like I said before she could be blue with seaweed hair and big fish eyes. She’s literally a mermaid.
"the plague of disney's live action re-makes," lol!! interesting points!
Denmark took over an island (among thousand other islands during Viking Age and after) that was inhabited by black people? Did they bring said black people back? no. They stayed on the Island. Denmark (and Norway and Sweden) all have a history of taking over many islands and claiming it as theirs. We still own Greenland and Faroe Island. In the original 1836 TLM by H.C.Andersen, he states poetically and metaphorically, that her skin was as clear and delicate as a rose leaf (Being clear of marks, scratches etc. soft smooth clear skin from blemishes) and that her eyes were as blue as the deep sea, and that her arms and legs were white. The population in Denmark itself (not talking about islands that are thousands of miles away) is not as diverse as other western countries. In Copenhagen, the major city of Denmark, you will find a lot of diversity and foreigners with visas who are either studying, or trying to get a job in denmark. In Odense (the birthplace and childhood/adulthood of H.C.Andersen) you wont find diversity. Growing up as a child in my hometown Odense, we actually did not have a single POC student in my school. very rare. Not a single Chinese takeaway store, or indian grocery store, nothing. Story telling is a huge part of many cultures around the world. As an Odense kid, story telling is how Indigenous Danish children are brought up (Watch the 1975 The Little Mermaid movie that's free on RUclips, they respectfully did an introduction to Denmark and it's story telling culture of folklores before the movie started). In Norse Mythology, Rán is a Vanir sea goddess with an unpredictable and dangerous personality. Rán is married to Ægir, a sea-giant, and together they have nine daughters (see Nine Daughters of Ægir) who are waves. I could go on, but I will leave it at that. Would be interesting if you made a video like this, but of Princess and the frog and how a white Grimms Brothers fairytale was color-blind changed to be black.
I can see why you may be taking this personally, the original version obviously means something to you. It's just a theory based on the only logical connection Denmark has to black people and evidence from the original Disney movie. And even though this movie is going in a different direction, rest assured the animated movie isn't going anywhere, and furthermore TLM ip is safely in the Public Domain. There is and will be plenty of other versions.
@@JLisleWrites I dont think you reqlly understand the core problem here. You can see that this persin is passionate about the culture pf Denmark and it's orgin but you fail to see also that perhaps there are some really die hard Disney fans that grew up with these stories and only to see these stories change COMPLETELY. You said it yourself in the video that all the movies tried to be as cultural as possible and cast people accordly. TLM should not be different to the animated version and this movie releasing will just cause a divide because people like OP and myself want things to be aesthetically the same.
Disney has done it with Marvel amd Star Wars and look how much money those movies made, now they are doing it with thier own stories.
Its Pandering and the more people realize this the better.
@@--Nemesis And he never replied back.
@@madcat789 Ofcourse and thats because all they do is just insult and troll. Hold ridiculous ideals because "oh its my moment to go viral! Social Justice!". Mean while, Tanya and others have their favourite characters they are really passionate about be dragged through the dirt.
Identity politics is a cancer which has no cure.
@@--Nemesis It's tragic.
I don't think Disney or anyone needs to justify her casting. She's a great singer. The fact that is she's only from Europe because that's where HCA was from. It's not part of her identity, unlike if they cast her in say a live action Frozen where The Ice Princess is Northern European.
I can agree with that.
The Little Mermaid statue in Denmark (CPH) is visited by over 1 million people per year. Denmark is the tourist hotspot for mermaids and fairytale characters. No one travels to Africa to see mermaids, tourists travel to Africa to see wildlife and nature. Den Lille Havfrue is an iconic figure to Denmark and has been for over 200 years.
Because she is a great singer, she is perfect to play Ariel? Right.
@@--Nemesis she only got the role because Beyonce is Halle and Chloe manager. After being chosen to voice the role of Nala in The Lion King, Beyonce demanded Disney to cast Halle as Ariel. It's all about who you know, not talent. In 1997 with Brandys Cinderella it's the same thing, Whitney Houstan demanded a black Cinderella, and she was granted that. Lol
This is clearly the Caribbean, or at the very least serious cultural appropriation. I think the new movie will be a course correct, but I wonder how much of the new movie I will have gotten right. Either way don't feel bad about it, it'll just be one of many many other Little Mermaid adaptations.
Anyway, thanks for watching! Enjoy my next vid!
I appreciate your research into the history of this story, and that's good for people to know, but they're adapting the Little Mermaid story not its inspiration. The basis of your question about pale skin and red hair is also misleading. If your preference is that depiction, then enjoy the dozens of other Little Mermaid and other Mermaid related properties set to film depicting them as Caucasian. Disney already made that- while relying heavily on Caribbean culture and other cultures to tell that story (which is ingrained in the films identity)- they don't have to choose to do it again. Adaptation is conscious decision making about how to tell a story and is always different. The original story was inspired by mermaid mythology not based on it. It was also a published book, that is now public domain, not folklore like Mulan. By that logic, the entire conceit of the Hamilton play warrants revision. Regardless of how you look at it the Little Mermaid was a story book, it is in the public domain, people can change it to tell the story in new creative ways in this case telling the story from the perspective of a Black mermaid, which could have more Historical (not mythological) relevance to Danish history than the original story.
@@CH-np8cn I appreciate everything you said there. And as far as we know her hair will still be red. Not for nothing black people can be gingers too.
Thank you, finally someone acknowledging that Ariel should have always been African-Caribbean!
Halle Bailey was chosen by the director due to her vocal abilities. Perhaps she is suited for the position as well.
The Disney film is not placed in Denmark, there are palm trees and flamingos, and Eric's housekeeper is the Spanish Senora Carlotta.
Interesting. I never took the time to watch the remake. This video was speculative for way back when the movie was announced.
@@JLisleWrites I haven’t watched the whole remake yet, just the reviews. But even in the cartoon, the action takes place in warm regions with palm trees and flamingos.
Amazing words! Cant wait to see Halle Bailey
According to Disney, TLM is set in the Mediterranean Sea, NOT THE CARIBBEAN! My family is from the Mediterranean and basically there's not a great deal from the movie that makes us think it would be set there. But even if it was, Ariel wouldn't be black. Also, considering the proximity of the time setting and the slave trade, it becomes historically inaccurate to suggest white princes would be entertaining stay, mute black girls. Also in TLM 3 the reason for Triton's hate of humans is already explained (they ran over his queen with a ship). Nice try but your reasoning fails on a few levels.
This is basically just Hollywood's latest attack on white redheaded characters by trading them for African American actors to appeal to "the larger and more politically protected minority".
@@Unpopular0pinion Thank you, but I think we white redheads will be ok. One movie doesn't make me feel under attack, lol.
09:02 That is by far, the most ridiculous things Ive heard yet regarding TLM. Disney, simply put, are pandering. That it. You want to make a live action movie of the source, you go ahead and copy the source. Add some flavour like a new song or some new scenes like they did with Aladdin. Dont replace characters though. Ariel that I know is a white red head with blue eyes ( from the Danish seas considering the author ) and thats that.
I hope HB steps down because forever she will be know as a person that has ruined a disney princess just because of greed.
The main problem is since the remakes or adaptations of video games/books happened it really seems like the woke cultures enjoys color washing people especially the red heads i mean they actually go out their way to do this its the attitude and lack of respect for the source material that pisses people off. Example Triss from the Witcher who comes from a Polish background is now being color changed and the new spiderman movie series has gotten the same treatment.
Actually color washing isn't an actual social phenomenon. What you're describing is equal representation. This phenomenon occurs when people of color in American are inserted into pop culture properties so that they are represented equitably. This is necessary because most properties are decades old and at the time of their inception racist media practices excluded people of color from most of these properties. So, some characters are rewritten for future adaptations. Adaptations that are liable to change as the American cultural zeitgeist evolves. Just like here, The Little Mermaid movie is an adaptation of The Little Mermaid by Hans Christian Anderson. Disney is well within their rights to change the Little Mermaid movie based upon the sway of American values because the movie is an American property. The Little Mermaid story by Anderson is the Danish property, and stays the same.
@@JLisleWrites ok your entitled to your opinion however what you explained should also mean white washing shouldnt be a big deal either. Whatever the case the reason why i subbed to you was your Naruto video on female characters.
White washing is only a big deal if you care about people of color. The difference is changing a white character to a person of color includes them in narratives and histories from which they've been marginalized. Making a character of color a white person, excludes them from stories and histories in which they are already underrepresented. That's insult to injury.
Even still you and your ideas are much appreciated.
@@JLisleWrites Thats kinda the reason why i dont like color washing from this decade. Its same with remakes turning male characters into female characters (Ghostbusters 2016 and the new Terminator movie)
Again, color washing isn't real. You're talking about racebending. I'm not a fan of race or gender bent characters myself either, but I've liked it maybe once or twice. But as a POC I try to have an open mind even if it usually isn't my preference. I probably prefer black Nick Fury now, not that anyone else has to.
With enough make-up they can get her skin to look correct, just like Ariel's.
@@onewayticket2148 Wanting the characters to look like themselves?
@@onewayticket2148 If that's your first thought when you read something, then I don't know what to tell you.
@@onewayticket2148 You really sound like one of those people who always look for things to be offended by. Maybe try a break from social media once in a while.
Also there's nothing wrong with changing the appearance of actors when they don't look the part.
@@onewayticket2148 Of course there's no point in arguing when you realize you've lost the argument. Thare's nothing wrong with my comment, deal with it.
@@onewayticket2148 this is just feigned ignorance. This is a remedial concept as far as racism is concerned. If he didn't see a problem he wouldn't have responded.
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I don’t see why this is even a debate. Ariel is literally a mermaid, she lives under the sea, and talks to fish. Her skin could be blue tbh. It’s not like she lives in Denmark, she lives in the ocean😂. Also tbh as long as the movie is good, none of this should really matter.
I do see the view with fans on wanting her to be white so the film is closer to the animation, I really do understand that. I’m just thinking that Ariel isn’t human, she is from a totally different world, and we have no idea what a mermaid actually looks like so I don’t see why her skin color matters. Like I said before she could be blue with seaweed hair and big fish eyes. She’s literally a mermaid.