frieza arguably could just tank attacks from hit since he was able to survive against bloodlusted super saiyan broly for a whole hour without even passing out. he was still ready to keep going even if gogeta hadn't showed up. i think if frieza went into the fight without knowlege of his time skip, frieza could probably lose more often but as soon as frieza has knowlege of the time skip and that he could just overpower it with his raw power like goku did than it is over for hit. so without prep i favor hit but with prep i favor frieza for sure
lmao you really think that was a feat? he was getting murdalized, Hit would probably get murdalized in the exact same way, plus that's not even cannon anyways.
@@shady8045 how is it not cannon. Broly is in the new dragon ball movie and the movie is referenced in the manga. Frieza was actually getting beat up by blood lusted super saiyan broly for a whole hour and was completely fine a few minutes later. How is that not a feat
When did Frieza ever do anything similiar to GoD Toppo? He just got obliterated, and his best "feat" was surviving (when Toppo wasn't even allowed to kill...). Hit fought a supressed Jiren, and Frieza's best feat is barely catching Jiren off guard and it didn't do anything. I really like Frieza, but he didn't do a whole lot besides surviving and being durable.
@@sarexui634 you mean the same jiren that fought 4th form frieza and base goku at the end right? so you're telling me that 4th form frieza and base/ssj goku are stronger than 1st trigger ui goku right cause that's what it sounds like you're implying.. this is just another case of terrible scaling bro.. that random power up while fatigued makes literally no sense
Freeza should be specified. If it's start of the ToP when he's just relative to SSB Goku then Hit pulverizes him. Hit straight up did better not only than Kaioken but even arguably fresh UI.
@@jimiafolabi8016 And still did what UI Goku didn't - get close to eliminating Jiren as well as made him struggle for extended period of time (Time Cage). And Hit's performance beforehand doesn't mean much since everyone around could guess that Hit relies on specific strategy and is fully aware that he can't openly fight him toe to toe.
@@Reality-Distortion Jiren didn't even try against Hit. He broke out of his hax pretty quickly, then KO'd him. Goku was able to graze Jiren, and landed two consecutive hits on him. Hit spent 99% of his fights against Jiren getting dogged on. Episode 110 Goku > Hit.
They're the whole reason that people think one piece characters are solar system to universal lvls. I saw it in real time happen by the guy name kuros. In truth the reason that happen is because people were tired of Luffy getting bullied for being the weakest in the big 3. Used to be common knowledge.
Frieza the type of dude to think he can tank anything Hit can do, then fucks around and gets caught in a time lock and punched in his throat immediately
THAT KAIOKEN X0 QUESTION WAS FUNNY AS HELL 😭😭😭😭😭 But Here's the question I honestly have to pose to hit fans. Do you think hit is stronger than Gohan? If yes, rewatch the tournament. If no? Frieza is stronger than Gohan so why do you think he'd beat Frieza
You can tell in the comment section, who actually payed attention to the Tournament of power. For some reason it seems people actually believe hit was close to jiren in power because he almost beat him.Hit never stood a chance against Jiren When goku was fighting jiren after he already fought and beat kefla , belmond states jiren was using more power than he had seen him use in a long time . Meaning this jiren is stronger than the jiren who had already took out hit. By the time golden Frieza and Jiren have there battle. Goku states Jiren power is beyond anything he could even imagine. For those saying this was a weaker jiren , false he may have been weaker than the jiren Master Ui goku fought . But weaker than the jiren who fought hit not a chance . People seem to forget 17 was keeping up of not doing better than evolution vegeta and blue kk 20 goku . And these version of goku and vegeta would Curb stomp the same jiren who beat hit So the fact Frieza stood toe to toe against a jiren who 17 believes he couldn’t based upon his statements Proves Frieza murders Hit.
I always thought Seth a person that uses logic but let's look at logic here. He's saying in a 48 minute battle royal, several characters get infinitely stronger in minutes but a character (Hit) who's powers and abilities are specific to time, doesn't and thus is fodder. Make it make sense
@@ojaman7144 exactly 🤨 hit was on the bench for like 60% of the tournament 😭 what time did he have to improve. He got boxed up by base Dyspo, then got knocked out by Jiren after he crushed that weak ass Rasengan.
Hits powers kinda limit his potential because power over time being 4th dimensional in a way unless he gets a form and gains 5th dimension manipulation lol
Hit > Frieza.. even if frieza is stronger initially Hit still has his improvement ability which for some reason was left out of the TOP and time abilities which frieza has no answer for.. Hit slap frieza in the long run
I don’t think people realize the statement regarding jiren after wiping out both goku and hit “you guys should handle the rest” meaning that jiren took out the only individuals in the tourney who he believed toppo and dyspo couldn’t handle
*Frieza's durability means shit against Hit's hacks and techniques. Coming back against attacks from Toppo is alright, but let's not forget Hit almost got Jiren outa there and made Jiren work.*
Jiren literally broke free of Hit's hacks and techniques with pure strength alone... Frieza clashed with a stronger version of Jiren and GOD Toppo so its rather difficult to scale Frieza below Hit in any regard....
@@reptilian_geneticist thing is, the jiren that fought Hit was stronger then the tired jiren towards the end he fought golden frieza. Before his fight with UI Omen 3, when everyone was jumping on jiren, golden frieza took 3 blows and went back to sleep. Frieza had trouble with extremely tired jiren post MUI fight. Hit actually managed to do better then ssb kaioken x20 and even UI Omen 1 did, his techniques actually made jiren try a bit + he blocked multiple attacks. Jiren broke out of his time cage because he is atleast a god of destruction level, something that frieza is far bellow. Arguably only jiren and UI Omen 3 / MUI could do the same feat . I dont know why you mentioned that feat
@@razien9941 No, you're wrong, that's not "tired" Jiren, thats AWAKENED Jiren.... So you're arguing that a SUPPRESSED Jiren is somehow stronger than AWAKENED Jiren... 🤔... you are smoking CRACK 💯😂🤦♂️
@@reptilian_geneticist he was a fresh jiren tho.. the jiren that fought frieza had already fought several ssb fighters and almost lost to ui goku.. fuck what the trash writing excuse said that he got even stronger even tho.. Jiren that fought hit had all his stamina bro.. use common sense
Hit is one of the only 4 good new super characters, wish they had him scale harder to stay relevant. But it's the Goku and the current villain show with a touch of Vegeta so what can you do. Also Madara and Kira both were taking morally objectionable actions to achieve what they saw as a better world state, ya they aren't exactly the same but they're kinda similar.
Frieza fought and was relative to a stronger Dyspo than the one Hit fought with, and has taken hits from a much stronger Jiren (from the Goku, Vegeta and N17 fight when he first uses his true power), while Hit could give Frieza trouble, he's not beating him.
Frieza was LOSING to the stronger Dyspo though and needed gohan to win. So while it is true, that he fought a stronger dyspo hit was only losing to Dyspo initially. Once he adapted he was fodderizing him. Hit would simply adapt even further against FP dyspo and frieza isn’t even as strong as him.
Frieza’s durability though is insane. His durability is much higher than his raw stats. He could take hits from SSJ broly for over an hour but it should also be noted this was post top and frieza was stronger. Hit is special though. He specializes in KILLING. Whenever he fights without being able to kill, he is being held back. Killing is his profession. If he hits frieza in the heart, he’s a goner. Hit also has more than just the traditional time skip. He can make himself intangible similar to kamui. If someone placed a hit on frieza, it would at the bare minimum be very challenging for frieza and he could honestly kill him. People forget that hit adapts mid fight. He couldn’t adapt fast enough against jiren because jiren was THAT much stronger.
i got hit over frieza. frieza literally got utterly destroyed. frieza just has insane durability/ just how he survived against ssj broly even tho he scales to ssb goku
@@Vader255 frieza doesn't scale to toppo. Supressed toppo completely destroyed him effortlessly and threw him aside. Also frieza never fought a stronger Jiren. Jiren was significantly weakened after he fought Goku
@@Vader255 if you are referring to base toppo that still doesn't change anything as hit one shot a post T.o.P ssb Goku who was also relative to toppo so that still makes hit significantly stronger
As soon as Frieza sees through the time manipulation and Hit’s growing stronger pure progress he’s not gonna hold back. And Golden Frieza is just gonna whoop Hit’s ass
We can't use Toppo to gage Frieza's power because he literally hypes up how easy it would be to destroy Frieza but doesn't so he's not eliminated. Android 17 keeps Frieza in the ring too. For all we know Toppo is using 0.5% of his power against any opponent not named Vegeta because he's trying to not kill anybody with powers that kill people by default.
Golden Frieza need Ultimate Gohan help to beat Dyspo. I know Dyspo turn on his “super light speed mode” whatever tf it was but Hit figured out how to beat Dyspo in a minute. He would’ve knocked him out two different times if Dyspo didn’t get help from his short blue friend with the energy ropes.
@@orangefantaafan imagine if shit like this happened in real life lmao. like I could join a smash tournament or something and go from like top 30 to top 10 literally during the tournament and no one would be baffled by it.
Ssj4 does, but Pan, I mean, you CAN stretch her to that, like, ssj3 z= 400 Base eoz Goku= 400 So he got 400x stronger in 10yrs Then we got 5yrs, so times 200 Base GT Golu= 80 000 Rildo is stronger than buu and pan hits him, even later she could hit him in his like ssj level form. About fusion, Vados said it was fighter + fighter x tens of times, so ssj2 Vegeta + ssj3 Goku, x 100= Base Vegito, and Pam gets stronger I guess, so yeah, she is strong, she isn't like super super weak.
I had a random thought the other day and now it's just kinda stuck on my mind, could Natsu from fairytail eat Amaterasu flames? And IF he could, how strong would it make him? Like I know he wouldn't be swinging on end of shippuden madara or Naruto or Sasuke, but like could it boost him up to scale with starter shippuden villains
Yes Natsu can eat Amaterasu. Natsu's flames are way hotter. Right now in the manga Natsu scales to planet-large planet level, so he at least gets pretty far.
His fire/heat is hotter than Wahl's magic confinement fusion, which is stated to be based on magnetic confinement fusion, and to create that you would need 200 million degrees celsius. Natsu fought, and easily scales to, if not above Suzaku. Suzaku was able to beat a human form Selene. Even while in her human form, she passively increased the size of the moon at least dozens to hundreds of times, and was causing storms in other dimensions just from starting to get a little bit serious.
That’s bullshit lol. You know the Hit that we saw fighting in both tournaments was heavily suppressed because it was stated by Whis that he wasn’t able to use his full arsenal of assassin /insta-kill techniques not to mention his ability to adapt to his opponents similar to Goku Black or Broly. Hit also has better showings fighting stronger opponents such as Jiren and kaioken x10 SSGS Goku while Golden Freiza seemed to be relative to SSGS Goku before the Top. Freiza defintely has superior durability due to surviving a planetary explosion, being cut in half and tanking a Hakai. However hit has attacks that negate durability( to a certain extent. ) I think they might be relative in speed and if they fought with tournament rules golden Freiza could possibility figure out hits abilities but in a fight to the Death Freiza stands no chance another reason is Freiza’s personality. In literally every Freiza fight he tends to get too cocky talk a lot of shit and let his guard down which is why he would always lose many of his fights in the past, I think this fight would be no different, I think Freiza would eventually let his guard down and start trolling Hit which lead to him getting trapped in a time prison and killed.
Hit did better against Jiren than Frieza did with Toppo, Frieza didn't even land a good hit on Toppo. No way is Frieza improving faster than Hit even if they were on similar levels. It'd be High diff, but Hit wins 8/10.
@@mattcoorey2580 A suppressed Jiren is still stronger than Toppo, and Hit did better against Jiren than he did again Toppo. Also, Jiren was seriously weakened when Frieza was able to actually contend with him, which is why Base Goku was able to damage with when SSJ blue Goku couldn't even scratch Jiren during any of their encounters. When they mentioned he'd broken through his limits, it was because he was able to surpass his weakened state. Again, which is why base Goku was actually having success against him.
@@the-1008-r4m Jiren is severely weakened relative to who? What your essentially saying. Is the jiren that fought Frieza at the end, is far weaker than the jiren that fought Hit. And your exact reasoning, is because this Jiren struggled against final form frieza and base goku. There for it just isn’t possible for this version of Jiren to be stronger than the one who fought hit. Before I get into why that is completely wrong, I just want to say upfront that from a writing standpoint I think this is a very bad writing. That being said we are bound by the writing / narrative, and you claiming well that’s not possible is not a argument. Okay here’s why you’re wrong . Android 17 never loses power, his power remains the same. This android 17 was keeping up with blue evolution vegeta and goku kk x 20 goku. One could argue he was doing better. These Version of goku vegeta and 17 are far above Hit. During the frieza and jiren fight commented oh wow they’re strong , Jiren breaks though his limits again, and base goku and final frieza are able to fight him From a writing standpoint whether you want to accept this or not they are telling you as a viewer. Goku in his base form easily curb stomps and of his Previous forms Except the third trigger UI Android 17 at this is pretty much irrelevant to both base goku and final Frieza So there is absolutely no way to argue hit could beat frieza with out making up your own head canon.
@@mattcoorey2580 "Goku in his base form easily curb stomps and of his Previous forms Except the third trigger UI", this is pure delusion when Goku himself stated he was at his limit. You mention bad writing then bring up the inconsistency with Android 17. Also, 17 can be weakened, he just never runs out of energy. Saying "he can't be weakened" is implying he's immortal and can't be slowed down by damage, I assume you just miss worded your comment, I doubt anyone would believe Android 17 was at the same strength. They have an infinite energy source, but damage still effects them . You pretty much pointed out bad writing to justify your own headcanon didn't you. And are we forgetting seeing Jiren one shot Frieza with ease, or that Toppo one shot him too, Frieza isn't a saiyan and doesn't get stronger throughout a fight, which is why he couldn't deal with Dyspo and needed help from Gohan of all people, the same Gohan who was just getting in the way against Toppo. Hit dealt with Dyspo once before, and with his rate of improvement, would have dealt with him again, regardless of lightspeed mode or not. Are we forgetting the fact that Hit was losing to SSJ blue Goku and but then improved to the point where he could keep up with SSJB KKx10 Goku? Even if Frieza was stronger (which I've proven that he isn't), Hit has been able to close much larger gaps (SSJB KKx10 Goku). Especially if we're talking about a fight to the death and Hit can use his killing techniques, Frieza would have a reunion with King Yemma. Either way, Frieza gets neg diffed by time cage.
His feats are insane. He’s most definitely above Boros and Psyrochi. If people don’t classify Boros as threat level god, then cosmic fear Garou definitely is.
Hit is stronger just based on math unless you are insane enough to think frieza got some random crazy powerup from resurrection F to Tournament of power. Goku needed kaioken 10x to beat Hit, he didn't against Frieza, not rocket science. I guess current frieza obviously wins though, in black form, that didn't even need to be said though.
@@twtad4551 he was literally stuck in hell in a fucking cacoon, I know dragon ball is retarded but come on man. If Goku was also stuck in a cacoon you wouldn’t be saying this shit
Meruem tried to kill Nepherpeito with a decapitating tail strike and he survived it, impressing the king with his strength.... meanwhile every hit that Meruem landed on Netero took a one of his limbs.... so at the very least Nepherpeito has better durability feats than Netero 💯
You dont know how much he put into that hit on pitou though. He effortlessly killed the other ants and humans and didn't expect Pitou to put up that much more resistance. He said he hit her with the intention to kill not that he was going all out.
@@bordan1311 that's just a durability feat. Netero was still able to blitz pitou. I heavily doubt that pitou could beat netero without extremely high dif and even if he wins he's gonna die when netero explodes. Even meruem nearly died and had to regrow to survive
frieza arguably could just tank attacks from hit since he was able to survive against bloodlusted super saiyan broly for a whole hour without even passing out. he was still ready to keep going even if gogeta hadn't showed up. i think if frieza went into the fight without knowlege of his time skip, frieza could probably lose more often but as soon as frieza has knowlege of the time skip and that he could just overpower it with his raw power like goku did than it is over for hit. so without prep i favor hit but with prep i favor frieza for sure
Frieza also wouldn't be affected by hits time hax due to him being stronger than the amount of power Jiren used against hit
Broly is after top not before
lmao you really think that was a feat? he was getting murdalized, Hit would probably get murdalized in the exact same way, plus that's not even cannon anyways.
@@shady8045 how is it not cannon. Broly is in the new dragon ball movie and the movie is referenced in the manga. Frieza was actually getting beat up by blood lusted super saiyan broly for a whole hour and was completely fine a few minutes later. How is that not a feat
@@azaluna2136 its not a feat cause it wasn't impressive, pretty easy.
When did Frieza ever do anything similiar to GoD Toppo? He just got obliterated, and his best "feat" was surviving (when Toppo wasn't even allowed to kill...). Hit fought a supressed Jiren, and Frieza's best feat is barely catching Jiren off guard and it didn't do anything.
I really like Frieza, but he didn't do a whole lot besides surviving and being durable.
and his durability wont save him from hits attacks
You do realize that the jiren hit fought and the jiren frieza fought are on a completely different level strength wise?
@@sarexui634 you mean the same jiren that fought 4th form frieza and base goku at the end right? so you're telling me that 4th form frieza and base/ssj goku are stronger than 1st trigger ui goku right cause that's what it sounds like you're implying.. this is just another case of terrible scaling bro.. that random power up while fatigued makes literally no sense
@@HavokUnbound It’s pretty consistent
@@HavokUnbound That’s absolutely what he’s telling you. Base goku at the end of the top trashes on 1st ui omen goku
Freeza should be specified. If it's start of the ToP when he's just relative to SSB Goku then Hit pulverizes him. Hit straight up did better not only than Kaioken but even arguably fresh UI.
*cough cough* 1 tapped by jiren
@@SeeZer0 Do you even know what onetapped means?
Hit only tagged Jiren once.
Sign was able to consistently block hits from Jiren, never got tagged, and hit Jiren twice.
@@jimiafolabi8016 And still did what UI Goku didn't - get close to eliminating Jiren as well as made him struggle for extended period of time (Time Cage). And Hit's performance beforehand doesn't mean much since everyone around could guess that Hit relies on specific strategy and is fully aware that he can't openly fight him toe to toe.
@@Reality-Distortion Jiren didn't even try against Hit. He broke out of his hax pretty quickly, then KO'd him.
Goku was able to graze Jiren, and landed two consecutive hits on him.
Hit spent 99% of his fights against Jiren getting dogged on. Episode 110 Goku > Hit.
TikTok Genuinely has the worst generation of POwerscalers and Debaters.
Who takes tiktokers in general seriously? They’re all garbage
They're the whole reason that people think one piece characters are solar system to universal lvls. I saw it in real time happen by the guy name kuros. In truth the reason that happen is because people were tired of Luffy getting bullied for being the weakest in the big 3. Used to be common knowledge.
Frieza the type of dude to think he can tank anything Hit can do, then fucks around and gets caught in a time lock and punched in his throat immediately
“Kaioken x0”
💀 dude multiplies his strength by 0
THAT KAIOKEN X0 QUESTION WAS FUNNY AS HELL 😭😭😭😭😭
But Here's the question I honestly have to pose to hit fans.
Do you think hit is stronger than Gohan?
If yes, rewatch the tournament.
If no? Frieza is stronger than Gohan so why do you think he'd beat Frieza
Going on the manga gohan stronger than both of them in the tournament
@@OldFolkz we're talking strictly anime cannon. No one really wants to debate the circus that the manga ToP was
uhh yes I think Hit is stronger then Gohan, what a dumb question.
Seth’s reaction to the Kaioken question fucking killed me lol
@@bennybyers1409 like why would someone's brain even allow them to think something like that💀💀💀💀
You can tell in the comment section, who actually payed attention to the Tournament of power.
For some reason it seems people actually believe hit was close to jiren in power because he almost beat him.Hit never stood a chance against Jiren
When goku was fighting jiren after he already fought and beat kefla , belmond states jiren was using more power than he had seen him use in a long time .
Meaning this jiren is stronger than the jiren who had already took out hit.
By the time golden Frieza and Jiren have there battle.
Goku states Jiren power is beyond anything he could even imagine.
For those saying this was a weaker jiren , false he may have been weaker than the jiren Master Ui goku fought . But weaker than the jiren who fought hit not a chance .
People seem to forget 17 was keeping up of not doing better than evolution vegeta and blue kk 20 goku .
And these version of goku and vegeta would
Curb stomp the same jiren who beat hit
So the fact Frieza stood toe to toe against a jiren who 17 believes he couldn’t based upon his statements
Proves Frieza murders Hit.
I always thought Seth a person that uses logic but let's look at logic here. He's saying in a 48 minute battle royal, several characters get infinitely stronger in minutes but a character (Hit) who's powers and abilities are specific to time, doesn't and thus is fodder. Make it make sense
Makes sense to me. Hit just didn’t improve at a fast enough rate to keep up with everyone that surpassed him.
@@ojaman7144 since when did any universe 7 character improve in a few minutes?
Plus did you just ignore when he fought Vegeta?
@@charleswalker3833 hit literally got taken out before full power Jiren showed up then Jiren broke his limits
@@gameuniverse5973 they established Jiren was strong, he didn't recognize Frieza at all
Are you say Frieza could take out Jiren?
@@ojaman7144 exactly 🤨 hit was on the bench for like 60% of the tournament 😭 what time did he have to improve. He got boxed up by base Dyspo, then got knocked out by Jiren after he crushed that weak ass Rasengan.
0:38 Based on the plants he picked he couldve made stew but how he seasoned it it most likely was some Louisiana style gumbo.
Hit would murder frieza. He wasnt even allowed to use killing moves and put up a WAY better fight than Kaioken times 20 against Jiren.
Then one shot killed Goku after the T.o.P
@@TheGamingShogun before T.o.P
@@zereth2792 yea my fault. I meant after the universe 6 vs 7 one
Actually he can't
Hits powers kinda limit his potential because power over time being 4th dimensional in a way unless he gets a form and gains 5th dimension manipulation lol
Unless time is not limited by dimensions and time is just duration
Hit > Frieza.. even if frieza is stronger initially Hit still has his improvement ability which for some reason was left out of the TOP and time abilities which frieza has no answer for.. Hit slap frieza in the long run
Not true frieza speed blitzes that idiot and one shots him
@@BigGoonie nahh.. when has frieza ever speed blitzed someone his own level?? get that fake fanboy headcanon bs tf outta here lol
@@HavokUnbound Hit is fodder
So we're to believe 1000 year old Hit just stops improving once he meets Universe 7, lol, come on now
I meaaaaaaaaan he went 1000 years and didn't even improve UNTIL he met U7 🤨 so it's in character
Yea pretty much dude wasted his thousand years
@@manuelmoralez2257 people don't actually watch the show with the volume on😭😂
@@Picmanreborn he wrecked Vegeta, how do you come up with he didn't improve????
@@manuelmoralez2257 1-0 against Vegeta, slight work
I don’t think people realize the statement regarding jiren after wiping out both goku and hit “you guys should handle the rest” meaning that jiren took out the only individuals in the tourney who he believed toppo and dyspo couldn’t handle
Very interesting indeed
*Frieza's durability means shit against Hit's hacks and techniques. Coming back against attacks from Toppo is alright, but let's not forget Hit almost got Jiren outa there and made Jiren work.*
Jiren literally broke free of Hit's hacks and techniques with pure strength alone... Frieza clashed with a stronger version of Jiren and GOD Toppo so its rather difficult to scale Frieza below Hit in any regard....
Frieza literally tank getting sliced in bits nothing in hit arsenal killing him
@@reptilian_geneticist thing is, the jiren that fought Hit was stronger then the tired jiren towards the end he fought golden frieza. Before his fight with UI Omen 3, when everyone was jumping on jiren, golden frieza took 3 blows and went back to sleep. Frieza had trouble with extremely tired jiren post MUI fight. Hit actually managed to do better then ssb kaioken x20 and even UI Omen 1 did, his techniques actually made jiren try a bit + he blocked multiple attacks.
Jiren broke out of his time cage because he is atleast a god of destruction level, something that frieza is far bellow. Arguably only jiren and UI Omen 3 / MUI could do the same feat . I dont know why you mentioned that feat
@@razien9941 No, you're wrong, that's not "tired" Jiren, thats AWAKENED Jiren.... So you're arguing that a SUPPRESSED Jiren is somehow stronger than AWAKENED Jiren... 🤔... you are smoking CRACK 💯😂🤦♂️
@@reptilian_geneticist he was a fresh jiren tho.. the jiren that fought frieza had already fought several ssb fighters and almost lost to ui goku.. fuck what the trash writing excuse said that he got even stronger even tho.. Jiren that fought hit had all his stamina bro.. use common sense
Hit is one of the only 4 good new super characters, wish they had him scale harder to stay relevant. But it's the Goku and the current villain show with a touch of Vegeta so what can you do. Also Madara and Kira both were taking morally objectionable actions to achieve what they saw as a better world state, ya they aren't exactly the same but they're kinda similar.
Frieza fought and was relative to a stronger Dyspo than the one Hit fought with, and has taken hits from a much stronger Jiren (from the Goku, Vegeta and N17 fight when he first uses his true power), while Hit could give Frieza trouble, he's not beating him.
Frieza was LOSING to the stronger Dyspo though and needed gohan to win. So while it is true, that he fought a stronger dyspo hit was only losing to Dyspo initially. Once he adapted he was fodderizing him. Hit would simply adapt even further against FP dyspo and frieza isn’t even as strong as him.
Frieza’s durability though is insane. His durability is much higher than his raw stats. He could take hits from SSJ broly for over an hour but it should also be noted this was post top and frieza was stronger. Hit is special though. He specializes in KILLING. Whenever he fights without being able to kill, he is being held back. Killing is his profession. If he hits frieza in the heart, he’s a goner. Hit also has more than just the traditional time skip. He can make himself intangible similar to kamui. If someone placed a hit on frieza, it would at the bare minimum be very challenging for frieza and he could honestly kill him. People forget that hit adapts mid fight. He couldn’t adapt fast enough against jiren because jiren was THAT much stronger.
Damn I was hoping for a good argument but it was just Frieza gg
i got hit over frieza. frieza literally got utterly destroyed. frieza just has insane durability/ just how he survived against ssj broly even tho he scales to ssb goku
In the top freiza scales to toppo and a stronger jiren so he should mop hit
@@Vader255 Yeah I don’t know what homie up above is smoking
@@Vader255 frieza doesn't scale to toppo. Supressed toppo completely destroyed him effortlessly and threw him aside. Also frieza never fought a stronger Jiren. Jiren was significantly weakened after he fought Goku
@@Vader255 if you are referring to base toppo that still doesn't change anything as hit one shot a post T.o.P ssb Goku who was also relative to toppo so that still makes hit significantly stronger
*That durability flies out the window with Hit's hacks and techniques.*
lmao , Seth really thinks Frieza bolos Hit. Crazy
He does
As soon as Frieza sees through the time manipulation and Hit’s growing stronger pure progress he’s not gonna hold back. And Golden Frieza is just gonna whoop Hit’s ass
@@TheUncivilizedNation assuming hit hasnt killed him by then
I would fck wit a video of Sora power scaled 🔥🔥🔥💯
Seth actually did a kingdom hearts video
@@godly-dummy1582 he powered scaled sora ?
@@KingDues yep. Right here. ruclips.net/video/671KA-oKRh4/видео.html
You gotta pay him 5,000 otherwise this is all you get into he makes another dragon ball or Naruto video like he's been doing for years
We can't use Toppo to gage Frieza's power because he literally hypes up how easy it would be to destroy Frieza but doesn't so he's not eliminated. Android 17 keeps Frieza in the ring too. For all we know Toppo is using 0.5% of his power against any opponent not named Vegeta because he's trying to not kill anybody with powers that kill people by default.
Hit would literally assassinate Freeza. No contest here
Lol no
Not really
Bro you cut it off at my question 😭😂 cosmic garou vs six paths Madara
Cosmic garou is overhyped opm in general is. The gamma ray burst he used isn't nearly as strong as a normal gamma ray burst.
@@rushpatriot2866 EXACTLY
Golden Frieza need Ultimate Gohan help to beat Dyspo. I know Dyspo turn on his “super light speed mode” whatever tf it was but Hit figured out how to beat Dyspo in a minute. He would’ve knocked him out two different times if Dyspo didn’t get help from his short blue friend with the energy ropes.
Never thought I'd see Seth get something wrong
Nah he’s 100% correct.
The Jiren that fought Frieza is leaps and bounds above the jiren that fought Hit.
Base Kaio Ken is 2 times that's full power Kaio Ken Base
Kaio ken x20 is 20x etc etc.
Hit literally one shotted goku pre top while freeza ties with him, but hit loses?
seth thinks base goku at the end of the top is stronger than ssjb pre top
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That’s absolutely fucking stupid
Learn about the power cliffing in the top and you'll understand better
@@orangefantaafan imagine if shit like this happened in real life lmao. like I could join a smash tournament or something and go from like top 30 to top 10 literally during the tournament and no one would be baffled by it.
I remember someone scaling Pan (GT) over Super vegito from Z. Idk what scaling it was but I remember it
Ssj4 does, but Pan, I mean, you CAN stretch her to that, like, ssj3 z= 400
Base eoz Goku= 400
So he got 400x stronger in 10yrs
Then we got 5yrs, so times 200
Base GT Golu= 80 000
Rildo is stronger than buu and pan hits him, even later she could hit him in his like ssj level form.
About fusion, Vados said it was fighter + fighter x tens of times, so ssj2 Vegeta + ssj3 Goku, x 100= Base Vegito, and Pam gets stronger I guess, so yeah, she is strong, she isn't like super super weak.
I had a random thought the other day and now it's just kinda stuck on my mind, could Natsu from fairytail eat Amaterasu flames? And IF he could, how strong would it make him? Like I know he wouldn't be swinging on end of shippuden madara or Naruto or Sasuke, but like could it boost him up to scale with starter shippuden villains
Yes Natsu can eat Amaterasu. Natsu's flames are way hotter. Right now in the manga Natsu scales to planet-large planet level, so he at least gets pretty far.
His fire/heat is hotter than Wahl's magic confinement fusion, which is stated to be based on magnetic confinement fusion, and to create that you would need 200 million degrees celsius.
Natsu fought, and easily scales to, if not above Suzaku. Suzaku was able to beat a human form Selene. Even while in her human form, she passively increased the size of the moon at least dozens to hundreds of times, and was causing storms in other dimensions just from starting to get a little bit serious.
Natsu ate god slayer flames and magic poison rocks he probably eat Amaterasu like dinner
That’s bullshit lol. You know the Hit that we saw fighting in both tournaments was heavily suppressed because it was stated by Whis that he wasn’t able to use his full arsenal of assassin /insta-kill techniques not to mention his ability to adapt to his opponents similar to Goku Black or Broly.
Hit also has better showings fighting stronger opponents such as Jiren and kaioken x10 SSGS Goku while Golden Freiza seemed to be relative to SSGS Goku before the Top. Freiza defintely has superior durability due to surviving a planetary explosion, being cut in half and tanking a Hakai. However hit has attacks that negate durability( to a certain extent. ) I think they might be relative in speed and if they fought with tournament rules golden Freiza could possibility figure out hits abilities but in a fight to the Death Freiza stands no chance another reason is Freiza’s personality. In literally every Freiza fight he tends to get too cocky talk a lot of shit and let his guard down which is why he would always lose many of his fights in the past, I think this fight would be no different, I think Freiza would eventually let his guard down and start trolling Hit which lead to him getting trapped in a time prison and killed.
Hit did better against Jiren than Frieza did with Toppo, Frieza didn't even land a good hit on Toppo. No way is Frieza improving faster than Hit even if they were on similar levels. It'd be High diff, but Hit wins 8/10.
Hit fought a weaker Jiren… that’s why there saying frieze would stomp.
If you pay attention to the TOP jiren is getting more powerful through out the tournament.
Hit doesn’t stand a chance against Frieza
@@mattcoorey2580 A suppressed Jiren is still stronger than Toppo, and Hit did better against Jiren than he did again Toppo. Also, Jiren was seriously weakened when Frieza was able to actually contend with him, which is why Base Goku was able to damage with when SSJ blue Goku couldn't even scratch Jiren during any of their encounters. When they mentioned he'd broken through his limits, it was because he was able to surpass his weakened state. Again, which is why base Goku was actually having success against him.
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Jiren is severely weakened relative to who? What your essentially saying. Is the jiren that fought Frieza at the end, is far weaker than the jiren that fought Hit.
And your exact reasoning, is because this Jiren struggled against final form frieza and base goku.
There for it just isn’t possible for this version of Jiren to be stronger than the one who fought hit.
Before I get into why that is completely wrong, I just want to say upfront that from a writing standpoint I think this is a very bad writing. That being said we are bound by the writing / narrative, and you claiming well that’s not possible is not a argument.
Okay here’s why you’re wrong . Android 17 never loses power, his power remains the same. This android 17 was keeping up with blue evolution vegeta and goku kk x 20 goku. One could argue he was doing better. These Version of goku vegeta and 17 are far above Hit.
During the frieza and jiren fight commented oh
wow they’re strong ,
Jiren breaks though his limits again, and base goku and final frieza are able to fight him
From a writing standpoint whether you want to accept this or not they are telling you as a viewer.
Goku in his base form easily curb stomps and of his Previous forms Except the third trigger UI
Android 17 at this is pretty much irrelevant to both base goku and final Frieza
So there is absolutely no way to argue hit could beat frieza with out making up your own head canon.
@@mattcoorey2580 "Goku in his base form easily curb stomps and of his Previous forms Except the third trigger UI", this is pure delusion when Goku himself stated he was at his limit. You mention bad writing then bring up the inconsistency with Android 17. Also, 17 can be weakened, he just never runs out of energy. Saying "he can't be weakened" is implying he's immortal and can't be slowed down by damage, I assume you just miss worded your comment, I doubt anyone would believe Android 17 was at the same strength. They have an infinite energy source, but damage still effects them . You pretty much pointed out bad writing to justify your own headcanon didn't you. And are we forgetting seeing Jiren one shot Frieza with ease, or that Toppo one shot him too, Frieza isn't a saiyan and doesn't get stronger throughout a fight, which is why he couldn't deal with Dyspo and needed help from Gohan of all people, the same Gohan who was just getting in the way against Toppo. Hit dealt with Dyspo once before, and with his rate of improvement, would have dealt with him again, regardless of lightspeed mode or not. Are we forgetting the fact that Hit was losing to SSJ blue Goku and but then improved to the point where he could keep up with SSJB KKx10 Goku? Even if Frieza was stronger (which I've proven that he isn't), Hit has been able to close much larger gaps (SSJB KKx10 Goku). Especially if we're talking about a fight to the death and Hit can use his killing techniques, Frieza would have a reunion with King Yemma. Either way, Frieza gets neg diffed by time cage.
Could you do a video about hanzo vs the 7 ninja swordsman
Wouldn't sora wipe Korra?
How strong is current manga Garou
0:06 😂 I’m good video done.
When was this streamed
How strong is cosmic garou in your opinion ?
His feats are insane. He’s most definitely above Boros and Psyrochi.
If people don’t classify Boros as threat level god, then cosmic fear Garou definitely is.
Didn’t pan fly into space❓
Base Frieza one shots TOP Hit.
@Lost LaCream Yes, he does.
@Lost LaCream Cope harder. Frieza > SSJBE Vegeta >>>>> Hit.
Hit will kill Frieza in an instant the same way he killed Goku.
That was filler tho
@@obliviongigan6360 nothing in dragon ball super is filler. All are canon
That’s why he makes the big bucks
Frieza got bodied by toppo and Jiren. Hit def put up a better fight..
Toppo transformed
@@BigReuben97 and? Frieza was still no match for him
@@justinedwards5299 hit didn't fight a transformed Toppo or dyspo. Frieza did.
@@BigReuben97 frieza still was no match.
@@justinedwards5299 what u mean he damn near forced Toppo to transform
I actually really liked the Filthy Frank video :/
Doesn’t matter cause Kirby kirbstomps the verse.
Hit mid difficulty.
Hit is stronger just based on math unless you are insane enough to think frieza got some random crazy powerup from resurrection F to Tournament of power. Goku needed kaioken 10x to beat Hit, he didn't against Frieza, not rocket science.
I guess current frieza obviously wins though, in black form, that didn't even need to be said though.
Huh? He literally did get stronger from resurrection f it's shown pretty clearly, were u just not paying attention during his recruitment episode?
@@twtad4551 he was literally stuck in hell in a fucking cacoon, I know dragon ball is retarded but come on man. If Goku was also stuck in a cacoon you wouldn’t be saying this shit
@@shady8045 he was image training and sure u can say that's pretty dumb but it doesn't change the fact that he is actually stronger then he was before
Meruem tried to kill Nepherpeito with a decapitating tail strike and he survived it, impressing the king with his strength.... meanwhile every hit that Meruem landed on Netero took a one of his limbs.... so at the very least Nepherpeito has better durability feats than Netero 💯
I would say netero is more attack oriented and lacks in durability due to his old age
Pitou also got speed blitz by netero but go off
You dont know how much he put into that hit on pitou though. He effortlessly killed the other ants and humans and didn't expect Pitou to put up that much more resistance. He said he hit her with the intention to kill not that he was going all out.
@@bordan1311 that's just a durability feat. Netero was still able to blitz pitou. I heavily doubt that pitou could beat netero without extremely high dif and even if he wins he's gonna die when netero explodes. Even meruem nearly died and had to regrow to survive
@@TheGamingShogun I was trying to say that that feat doesn't make Pitou more durable than Netero
hit bodies frieza wtf