I actually liked how this played out. Granted the Peace Conferences need to be player-led because the borders didn't make much sense, but I actually like those German borders
Possibly one of the best timelines I've seen in a while. I gotta say, interwar Germany may have perhaps been a rather good military ally against communism if they hadn't flaunted democracy and given the toothbrush twerp too much power.
Getting this will only allow the accursed Franco-German feud to continue beyond WW2. Honestly, its original annexation from back in 1871 was a diplomatic mistake that caused more harm than benefit to Germany in the long run.
@@gengarzilla1685 I'd say both sides have just claims for the land. I think the Germans would take it as compensation for the war, and what would the French do when Nuclear weapons have now been developed? The French would never be able to get it. And if Germany can give up on their eastern territories in our timeline then France can give up On Alsace-Lorraine in this timeline.
In another timelapse, UK + Germany + France + Late Game Spain Allies once defeated the rest of the world including USA and USSR, how the f that happened??
Yugoslavia any time the CUF exists: LET ME IN! LEEETTTT MEEEE IIIINNNN!!! seriously the amount of times I've seen Yugoslavia join the Chinese faction is wild
People don't realize but the treaty of versailles was incredibly mild on Germany. Just compare it to the treaties of Trianon and Saint-Germain for Austria-Hungary. This is almost status quo ante bellum levels of mild.
Tf are you saying, treaty of Versailles completely demolished germany economy. They also Lost Major lands and colonies and their pride vanished as the french and British abused the germans
@@gian562 "Lost major lands" Alsace-Lorraine, the polish corridor, Memel, a tiny bit of Schleswig-Holstein, and a teeny bit of upper Silesia. Not even 10% of their land. Again, compare to the other central powers. Losing your "pride" is immaterial, also, and unprovable and unquantifiable. Their losing their colonies was probably their biggest loss honestly, but saying Namibia, Madagascar and Tanganyika were major losses is questionable at best.
@@belthesheep3550I’d disagree that the treaty of Versailles was itself mild on Germany. To the Germans they were a first rate power that was supposed to rival Britain and Russia in the coming centuries as a dominant power so not just losing land, but having their military limited and restricted, and their entire government overhauled by foreign powers seemed both excessive and humiliating, and for a proclaimed imperialist power that was intolerable. That damaged pride and the poor economic conditions following the war allowed hitler to rise on a messege or restoring German glory and power to what it once was. Their colonies also weren’t practically valuable. Most colonies were actually run on deficit spending and were only occupied for the prestige of having a colony and the raw materials that could be harvested from them, so losing them didn’t actually mean much compared to losing Danzig, Alsace Loraine, or even small parts of Silesia, all of which had substantial German populations and were historically German territories at some point. Of course we know all of this with the benefit of hindsight, but a fairer treaty would’ve minimized German territorial losses outside of Alsace Loraine (a non negotiable for France) and the colonies which could be gifted to Italy as compensation for not receiving several of their territorial demands in the Adriatic or ottoman empires, while the pacific colonies could be carved up by Japan and America. Germany wouldn’t lose any lands outside of that and would get to keep Danzig, which if gifted to Poland would serve as an easy Casus Belli for war by any future German government. If we wanted to give Poland a route to the sea we could simply have them form a union with Lithuania. Call it larping if you want but the Lithuanians having increased autonomy in the new polish-Lithuanian government while both get to avoid territorial disputes with Germany seems like a preferable alternative to what we got IRL. Lastly the German government would be made into a constitutional monarchy and the German military would only receive modest limitations on its manpower and military weapons. This would be done to prevent the rise of extremism but more specifically communism which was a serious threat in the Weimar Republic and having a more conservative figure head and government could ease the transition. The Saarland would also be occupied by an international coalition to repay the cost of damage done in France and the Low Countries and the Rhineland demilitarized to prevent German aggression against this action until the reparations were paid and the Saarland would be returned.
@@motivationallizard6644 I have to point out the treaty of versailles did not depose the german monarchy, a revolution did. Further the myth of versailles being unfair and very harsh on Germany didn't originate from the restrictions on their army, or the loss of land, but mostly from the economic reparations to be paid through direct payment and the occupation of the rhineland. Maynard Keynes being an early proponent of this idea. Mind you also the germans did not seem to shy away from imposing harsh treaties on their defeated enemies, just look at the treaty of Brest-Litovsk for their idea of "just peace". As for how to make the treaty fairer? Cede the saarland to France. Give Austria to Germany. Don't force the Lithuanians into a union they didn't want to be in. Help the poles against the russians to create a friendly Ukraine and Belarus, if at all possible federate them into a new commonwealth (the ukrainians actually considered this early on), Danzig to remain german, but allowing the poles extraterritorial rights to the ports and forcing a free trade agreement between the two countries, cede to Italy the dalmatian coast. These may seem like very random sounding choices, but they'd do a fair bit to help balance out the differences between powers (especially considering that under the germans' socialist policies the addition of austria as a burden would have weakened them), to maintain Italy as a friendly regime to the entente and to mitigate the help from the east the germans received when starting aggressions.
whell eh... ih yes... but... hm, i think that Denmark must keep land, that they taken from germans. And goodluck! I hope that the next year will be better then this year!
Denmark didn't take anything from Germany, they didn't even fight in the First World War. France gave them North Schleswig as a "fuck you" to Germany in the Treaty of Versailles.
@@rmartinson19 France also wanted Denmark to take up to its former borders with the duchy of Schleswig and Holstein (Basically putting Hamburg on the Danish border), but the Danish King refused, only accepting the North due to extensive Entente pressure
La realidad alternativa de hoi4 que desearía que fuera canon, Alemania no cae en las garras, polonia se mantiene bien y se evita la guerra fria y encima el imperio de japon es aplastado antes de tiempo, y china se salva mas.
What else were you expecting? Italy alone cannot carry the entire weight of fascism on its back in a world war, not without Germany taking most of the load.
Germany was the most competent fascist country in the axis, it was the goat that carried all the fronts. The Italian army was not only outdated but its commanders were incompetent, Without Germany it was an alliance of small countries with little military strength.
Ok so it would be fair if Germany took all French Colonies, Demanded high amount of Money, Hard military restricitions, More main Land lose, etc. in 1871 ?
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I actually liked how this played out. Granted the Peace Conferences need to be player-led because the borders didn't make much sense, but I actually like those German borders
germany try not to anchluss:
what if american civil war happend in ww1 era
Confederates in the allies and Union in central power
Confederados en los aliados y Union en Central poder
@@luistorres9201No it’s the opposite
@@luistorres9201 no it will be neutral
@uhjay109 i don't think anyone will support owning slaves
@uhjay109 ah yes, they have such good friends, they can't stop working for them!!!!
5:07 yugoslavia casually joins chine united front
"We have Project Stresa at home"
Project Stresa at home:
Poland not having access to to the sea would make it nearly impossible for them to win the war with the soviets
they had the whole support of the allies!
@@HandOfWar ikr
@@CatfoodChronicles6737and they gained the Baltics too, so no need to worry about that
Possibly one of the best timelines I've seen in a while. I gotta say, interwar Germany may have perhaps been a rather good military ally against communism if they hadn't flaunted democracy and given the toothbrush twerp too much power.
But that is exactly what Hitlers Germany wanted too. Destroy the Soviets together with the west.
If only democracy wouldn't have been imposed to them or wouldn't have come with harsh punishments. If only...
Toothbrush twerp! Lmao.
@@Hardcore_Remixer If only indeed...
@@Hardcore_Remixer except democracy wasn't imposed on germany, they overthrew the monarchy themselves lmao.
Germany not even claims Alsac-Lorraine back. Poland likes gimme it all...
Getting this will only allow the accursed Franco-German feud to continue beyond WW2. Honestly, its original annexation from back in 1871 was a diplomatic mistake that caused more harm than benefit to Germany in the long run.
But Ludwig the 14th took lothringen away from the germans at first
@@gengarzilla1685 I'd say both sides have just claims for the land. I think the Germans would take it as compensation for the war, and what would the French do when Nuclear weapons have now been developed? The French would never be able to get it. And if Germany can give up on their eastern territories in our timeline then France can give up On Alsace-Lorraine in this timeline.
@@sean.m. l'Allemagne n'existe pas à ce moment là, du tort au Habsbourg oui
No Nazis, Commies defeated, Greater Germany, yeah this is a good timeline.
Perfect German Post WW1 Borders don't exis....
Perfect German Borders
In another timelapse, UK + Germany + France + Late Game Spain Allies once defeated the rest of the world including USA and USSR, how the f that happened??
What if the Spanish empire came back during the ww1 era and join the central powers
Spanish empire with all American colonies?
@@MegaJoy_0001 nah only the african ones
@@sethhenty6128 how bout both
2:18 пять лет пролетело за миг. аномалия)
1:05 Comintern is a country that borders Portugal, France, and Andorra. It just had a civil war. Comintern is a new-born country
lol
It makes me sad that Spain lost the civil war to Comintern, luckily it was brought back by allied intervention!
Stalin and Mussolini be hiding from Democracy lol
What a disgusting peace deal at the end of the war
Puppet Italy getting land in the Adriatic is wild
Very good!
Napoleon total war soundtracks are a cheff's kiss
Yugoslavia any time the CUF exists: LET ME IN! LEEETTTT MEEEE IIIINNNN!!! seriously the amount of times I've seen Yugoslavia join the Chinese faction is wild
No space race, no global smallpox vaccination campaign, 50 hour workweek.
What if France was Punished Hard After Napoleon 🦅🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
People don't realize but the treaty of versailles was incredibly mild on Germany. Just compare it to the treaties of Trianon and Saint-Germain for Austria-Hungary.
This is almost status quo ante bellum levels of mild.
Sévres was insane too, just total imperialistic madness. No wonder the Turks rose up against it and forced that treaty to be scrapped.
Tf are you saying, treaty of Versailles completely demolished germany economy. They also Lost Major lands and colonies and their pride vanished as the french and British abused the germans
@@gian562 "Lost major lands"
Alsace-Lorraine, the polish corridor, Memel, a tiny bit of Schleswig-Holstein, and a teeny bit of upper Silesia. Not even 10% of their land. Again, compare to the other central powers.
Losing your "pride" is immaterial, also, and unprovable and unquantifiable.
Their losing their colonies was probably their biggest loss honestly, but saying Namibia, Madagascar and Tanganyika were major losses is questionable at best.
@@belthesheep3550I’d disagree that the treaty of Versailles was itself mild on Germany. To the Germans they were a first rate power that was supposed to rival Britain and Russia in the coming centuries as a dominant power so not just losing land, but having their military limited and restricted, and their entire government overhauled by foreign powers seemed both excessive and humiliating, and for a proclaimed imperialist power that was intolerable. That damaged pride and the poor economic conditions following the war allowed hitler to rise on a messege or restoring German glory and power to what it once was.
Their colonies also weren’t practically valuable. Most colonies were actually run on deficit spending and were only occupied for the prestige of having a colony and the raw materials that could be harvested from them, so losing them didn’t actually mean much compared to losing Danzig, Alsace Loraine, or even small parts of Silesia, all of which had substantial German populations and were historically German territories at some point.
Of course we know all of this with the benefit of hindsight, but a fairer treaty would’ve minimized German territorial losses outside of Alsace Loraine (a non negotiable for France) and the colonies which could be gifted to Italy as compensation for not receiving several of their territorial demands in the Adriatic or ottoman empires, while the pacific colonies could be carved up by Japan and America. Germany wouldn’t lose any lands outside of that and would get to keep Danzig, which if gifted to Poland would serve as an easy Casus Belli for war by any future German government. If we wanted to give Poland a route to the sea we could simply have them form a union with Lithuania. Call it larping if you want but the Lithuanians having increased autonomy in the new polish-Lithuanian government while both get to avoid territorial disputes with Germany seems like a preferable alternative to what we got IRL.
Lastly the German government would be made into a constitutional monarchy and the German military would only receive modest limitations on its manpower and military weapons. This would be done to prevent the rise of extremism but more specifically communism which was a serious threat in the Weimar Republic and having a more conservative figure head and government could ease the transition. The Saarland would also be occupied by an international coalition to repay the cost of damage done in France and the Low Countries and the Rhineland demilitarized to prevent German aggression against this action until the reparations were paid and the Saarland would be returned.
@@motivationallizard6644 I have to point out the treaty of versailles did not depose the german monarchy, a revolution did.
Further the myth of versailles being unfair and very harsh on Germany didn't originate from the restrictions on their army, or the loss of land, but mostly from the economic reparations to be paid through direct payment and the occupation of the rhineland. Maynard Keynes being an early proponent of this idea.
Mind you also the germans did not seem to shy away from imposing harsh treaties on their defeated enemies, just look at the treaty of Brest-Litovsk for their idea of "just peace".
As for how to make the treaty fairer? Cede the saarland to France. Give Austria to Germany. Don't force the Lithuanians into a union they didn't want to be in. Help the poles against the russians to create a friendly Ukraine and Belarus, if at all possible federate them into a new commonwealth (the ukrainians actually considered this early on), Danzig to remain german, but allowing the poles extraterritorial rights to the ports and forcing a free trade agreement between the two countries, cede to Italy the dalmatian coast.
These may seem like very random sounding choices, but they'd do a fair bit to help balance out the differences between powers (especially considering that under the germans' socialist policies the addition of austria as a burden would have weakened them), to maintain Italy as a friendly regime to the entente and to mitigate the help from the east the germans received when starting aggressions.
In the words of Bill and Ted: Excellent!
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I’m getting project stressa vibes
i just looked into that after that comment, very interesting and cool timeline
@@HandOfWar the final episode of that series is coming soon, it’s the next episode he’s releasing (probably)
Well, you forgot about an important thing. Poland wouldn't have won against Bolsheviks without getting those lands, including Danzig
Why Poland lost Wielkopolska?
Yugoslavia joining the chinese united front
The name of song after red march?
Always in the description!
Balkan War, except Bulgaria is an Ottoman Vassal
What if Japan Attack the allies around late 1940s in the same timeline
For once Belgium is spared
What if Mexico joined the axis in 1942
whell eh... ih yes... but... hm, i think that Denmark must keep land, that they taken from germans.
And goodluck! I hope that the next year will be better then this year!
Denmark didn't fight in WW1, France just hated Germany that much.
Denmark didn't take anything from Germany, they didn't even fight in the First World War. France gave them North Schleswig as a "fuck you" to Germany in the Treaty of Versailles.
@@rmartinson19 France also wanted Denmark to take up to its former borders with the duchy of Schleswig and Holstein (Basically putting Hamburg on the Danish border), but the Danish King refused, only accepting the North due to extensive Entente pressure
La realidad alternativa de hoi4 que desearía que fuera canon, Alemania no cae en las garras, polonia se mantiene bien y se evita la guerra fria y encima el imperio de japon es aplastado antes de tiempo, y china se salva mas.
Kinda blessed ngl
these yters have the easiest job, they just leave hoi4 running with a few mods, come back and edit it and get thousands of views
Yeah that’s it. My „wage“ if you calculate it with the hours is lower than minimum wage but I’ll take it
no shit sherlock
European fascist too weak this timeline
What else were you expecting? Italy alone cannot carry the entire weight of fascism on its back in a world war, not without Germany taking most of the load.
Germany was the most competent fascist country in the axis, it was the goat that carried all the fronts. The Italian army was not only outdated but its commanders were incompetent, Without Germany it was an alliance of small countries with little military strength.
In reality Germany wasn't punished hard after WW1.
What? Bro, you are kidding, yes?
You joking right ? Germany repayed it's reperations fully in 2021!!!
The Poland map is cringe
so gay
They weren’t punished hard anyways
Ok so it would be fair if Germany took all French Colonies, Demanded high amount of Money, Hard military restricitions, More main Land lose, etc. in 1871 ?
stop showing the factions bro
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