In my opinion wod was the worst expansion but had the best soundtrack. The draenei and orc culture that you listen on musics are so danm awesome and motivates
Mop's music is also amazing, hearing each xpac's music instantly takes me back to a different part of my life. I got some super nostalgia recently in legion on the wondering isle
Undead Unholy DK. So ummm... I was human, then died. Then was raised as undead. Then broke free and became forsaken. Then "died" again and became a DK. Then broke free again and became a forsaken DK. ... and now am enslaved to the new Lich King in Legion and forced to fight the Burning Legion?
Well the new Lich King is telling me to do things. Speaking directly into my mind. Sending me on quests etc. Never seen the option to tell him off yet.
Scott Cavill Well, you didn't die a second time. You basically died, and when you were ressurected, your body was already in an advanced state of decomposition, and because of that, after you broke free from the Lich King, you were accepted into the Forsaken
Ok so if i understand this correctly ... I am a undead forsaken that does everything the new Lich King demands but only this time it is of my own free will.
Never forget that from everything that happened, war in Northrend was the bloodiest conflict in recent history (since opening of them dark portal). What show it most is event that most of people don't know about: You know the Cathedral of Light? (that giant ass building in Stormwind). After defeat of LK, ceremony was hold in memory of fallen heroes. The cathedral was full of people, standing right next to each other with more people gathering outside. Each person that was there held a candle, and Archbishop Benedictus announced that each candle doesn't burn for 1 hero, not for 10 heroes, but for 100 heroes that fell in Northrend. At this point Jaina cried taking in the fact that at least 50 000 only Alliance soldiers died there.
50.000 Alliance soldiers! Are you sure about that? But well, the war against the Lich King was a brutal and bloody one, so maybe you're right.... 50.000 ALLIANCE SOLDIERS ONLY! That's even without all the dead from the previous expansions, and Warcraft 1-3, and I wonder how many The Horde has lost through the times...
Mr.Vojtik Okay, cool. A massive amount, especially for the fantasy world of Azeroth! (doesn't the planet have another, more original name??) I wonder what the Legion invasion now will cost....
I still consider to this day that the Scourge is the biggest threat we've ever faced. Sure, the Burning Legion managed to make sure that Azeroth split into all the continents, but they still didn't manage to destroy it. And they sort of tried again in the burning crusade but we quickly end up on Outland to rid of them. And now they are attacking again, giving them a chance to do even worse than before. And yes, I know if the Burning Legion had a fight against the Scourge, the undead would lose. But that being said, considering what we got to know from WotLK: The Scourge was held back. And if we didn't have a new Lich King, the undead would be a much greater threat to Azeroth. There was a part of Arthas that kept them in check, just as how Bolvar does it now. So... we've fought the Burning Legion when they try their hardest each time. Then we fought the Scourge that was being 'held back'. So because of that, to Azeroth: The Scourge has been the biggest threat so far - the Legion just never manage to get enough forces in. The rest of the unvierse though, definitely the Burning Legion (Or void Lords, maybe.)
The Scourge could be eventually be a match to the Legion BUT it would take a very long time as Arthas says in the broken isles memory "The dead will always outnumber the living".
I'm wondering if you could do the theory that Ner'zhul isn't dead and that he is attached to the Helm of Domination. He was the one that manipulate Bolvar and the ghosts of Frostmourne so that the Horde, Alliance and Argent Crusade thought that the Scourge needs a leader when in reality it doesn't. If you think it it makes sense so that he could fulfill its vengeance against the Burning Legion and he's going to use the Heroes of Azeroth (as allies I hope) to get rid of Kil'jaeden, because the one that wanted to destroy the world was Arthas. Ner'zhul only participate in the Third War so he could get more undeads to his army and betray the Legion. It's a theory I've been thinking about. A tricky one I would say. What's your opinion?
And another thing, if the Lich King was Bolvar, he wouldn't have sent the Death Knights to resurrect an old friend as Tirion and attack the Light's Hope to achieve it.
This has me wondering it the Legion could in some way retake control over the scourge. Or if they have been experimenting with other races and planets as well. We do know from the War of the Ancients novel that the Legion was experimenting with the fallen Night Elf defenders, turning them into un-dead creatures. Not quite what the scurge is now, but like a pre-scourge thing. Or maybe this time was their 1st experiments with it.... I don't really recall?
Orcs during their invasion on Azeroth had numerous necrolytes and warlocks that knew how to control the undead, but my guess is that the Scourge was a result of attempting to have perfect minions without the fear that they would rebel like the orcs eventually did. Guess that didn't went as planned, so there aren't similar projects to the Scourge. Also there is a chance Scourge under the Arthas begun absorbing the powers of Void Lords thus utterly alienating in anything Legion originally planned.
Nicely done mate contains every little detail that is required, a solid introduction and a great conclusion everyhing we can demmand from a lore type video
I kinda agree hahaha. On lich king expansion and before we were simple heroes fighting to save the world but when cataclysm came out we turned into gods. Thats something thst always bothers me when i play multiplayer games with a lot of history involved
I so agree with that, it bothered me so much to kill the Lich King as he was the unstoppable wrecking train of WC3 and we...were about footies at best. Not the hero classes of WC3. Now it seems like we are all special little snowflakes that are the true hope for Azeroth and I personally think its kinda stupid. How could we (I'm a paladin and not near Uther's strength) kill the Lich King? Defeat him maybe, push him back sure and now with this class hall stuff I'm the "High Lord" of the Silver Hand...please. The only way I can think they can write this into lore is if we somehow are all actually one. Like all the paladins in WoW are actually one Paladin in the lore so to speak, etc etc.
Well there are multiple joints where all players are the same person, all hordes/ally are the same person, all paladins are the same person and so on. And in the lore you are probally around the level of power of Uther now.
The prophecy/choosen bullshit is also on both diablo 3 and starcraft 2... the nephilim... kerrigan... the real problem with blizzard games is the choosen one clichè on the story for now... Because the gameplay and optimization are great at the moment
Dude, The Scourge was not one of the most bigest threats, it was ''THE'' Bigest threat, as Uther sayd in the ''Halls of Reflection'' He sayd that the lingering piece of Arthat that was still floating in The Lich King's mind was all that holded the Scourge from anihilating Azeroth. So by all threats that we have faced, The Scourge was the biggest threat, we were lucky that Arthas will was strong enough to hold the Lich King and the scourge to swallow every living thing. By the way, among everything we've ever faced, The Lich King was the only boss ''EVER'' to actually kill us, and i don't mean like a wipe, i mean in the lore, he actually killed us, so was the script, him killing us. This boss, will remain legend, to be the strongest there ever was, shure there are bosses as Ley Shen who had the essence of Ra'Den, but he was far from close to kill us. After all expansion i have gone through and all the challanges i've ever did, no enemie was as threatening as The Scourge. When i first walked on the road to Icecrown, i was felling like there was nothing good, only death awaited me, a light forsakened place, the coldness themed place felt as cold as the Icecrown's environment, it was and it still is the land of the dead. To be serious, what expansion was more viollend, horrifing, misterious, brutal, scary or crazyer than WotLK? I'm not saying this because WotLK was my favorite expansion, no, MoP was my favorite, but i'm speaking here the truth. I think the scourge could even overpower the Legion if it had enough time, think about it, a fallen knight raised as a Death Knight was 10 times more powerful as it was when it was alive, i wondered how powerfull a Doom/Fell Guard or any Demon would be if raised from the dead as The Ligh King's minions, Kill'Jaden created The Lich King, but that does not mean the creation can't surpass his creator, i think that when The Lich King was done with Azeroth it will turn his atention on the Legion. And to be serious, i think a Lich or a Necromancer is more powerfull than any of te Legion's minion. And... u know the Abominations, they are horrors created fro diffrend corpses, like an experiment, i think they would try the same experiment with demons, a demon abomination :) . Kill'Jaden trully created the ultimate weapon, and if gived enough time it could overpower everything. The world of the dead was evifient, and remember , demons are demons, but as like manny other creatures, they are also living creatures, they're not dead, and it means they can be used the same way. The Legion is endless in numbers because they are revived in the nether and come back, think about it, they can't return in the Nether if they are rised as undead demons :)) and with this they'r number will diminish, going down to nothing, and the Scourge will triumph.
From what I gathered in my researchs in his ultimate form the Lich King was actually able to control Knights of the Ebon Blade and the Forsaken yet he didnt because of his plan to create the ultimate fighting force as he described in the last phase of the LK fight when you DIED! Ofcourse even tho he was winning he underestimated the Light and the Ashbringer.
i hope the scourge and kel'thuzad make a return as kel'thuzad's character is written as loyal to arthas. Perhaps since kel'thuzad hasn't been permanently killed pff he could be sheming in the background to take control and grow over time.
What would you say was the ultimate goal for Arthas in WotLK, I mean besides just dominating the world? As to Bolvar, I'm really hoping he's becoming more of an antihero that we'll need to ally with but no one will trust him much like most that ally with the Forsaken
Since Tyrion is now dead your character is the only one who knows what happened in the frozen throne and Bolvar. That gives a lot of possibilities for good lore for the future. I hope blizzard dont disappoint us. I dont like the fact that Chris Metzen retired
Right, but I was speaking of what would happen in a future expansion should others learn of him and need his aid. I haven't finished the DK campaign yet but I have started it so I was aware of the DK relation to him.
The DK campaign doesn't explain what's gonna happen next sadly :/ Spoilers! At the end of the campaign you go to Light's Hope Chapel to raise Tirion Fordring as a DK. You fail and instead get Darion Mograine as the 4th Horseman. And that's pretty much it.
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accept y'know blessed by odin and cant basically die because of the valkyr and swing two massive two handers and always have kit changes because they are either worthless or broken af.
Except the only one to ever wound Sargeras was an Orc Warrior! Warriors might sound weak and feeble comparing to casters or anything else, but imagine how many times simple warriors managed to take down casters. A strong warrior could stand before anything as long as he is strong enough.
Sandro The Necromancer the only reason broxigar scratched sargares is because he had the axe of cenarius. broxigar actually lost to three highborn mages that weren't even trying to injure him... warriors are very weak lorewise grom hellscream is one the strongest warriors and gul'dan defeated him with just a weave of his hand
Arthas could of raised demons as undead it seems like the Ebon blade is doing that cause you can see Amal'thazad experimenting on demons and we also used demon body parts to create rotgutt
Need Warlords of Azeroth. Alternate timeline Azeroth where Medivh is corrupted by Old Gods instead of Sargeras. It also needs goodish living Nerubians and an alternate version of the Lich King (or Queen?)
let me just start by admitting that i'm a huge scourge fan boy, and that i'm competent lorewise but not all knowing. But i'd like to throw in a few arguments as to why a war between the legion and the scourge would not be a predetermined legion win (i know i'm cutting the scourge alot of slack with these) The way i personally see the scourge is by comparison something along the lines of Skynet from Terminator. An initial weapon design that got completely out of hand, and continuously upgraded/empowered itself, with the purpose of eventually waging war against it's creater, the legion. First off, addressing the this "resolve" thing that the forces of azeroth seems to be commented on several times, that allows them to overcome impossible odds. As i see it, this "resolve" is simply the defenders fighting at their absolute maximum capabilities/fighting fanatically, because they're faced with a pretty grim alternative. While that's all well and good, doesn't the scourge also ALWAYS fight like this? i mean they're being mindcontrolled for goodness sake, so i imagine they'll be fighting at their maximum at all times. They don't fear, they don't surrender and they're practically immune to the legion's more subtle tactics, such as promises of power and fel corruption (as far as i know.) While the legions numbers are infineltly bigger than that of the scourge, imagine for a moment that Tirion hadn't gotten that final blessing at the end of ICC. Arthas would have killed and raised azeroths strongest fighters to be his own personal champions, and then proceeded to break the siege of ICC and turn the tides of the war, as was his master plan. eventually the entirety of the known world (the playable races and their lands including several others) would have fallen and put into the lich kings service. Now Arthas not only has the same kind of firepower that the forces of Azeroth had, but even more, since they're combined with Arthas' initial Scourge forces and the fact that he is able to raise corpses no matter how old they are, which means all who have died in the past, will eventually be raised and put into the scourge army. By in addition to this, the civilians of the fallen kingdoms would also be added to the arsenal. Now he has an army several times the size of Azeorth's combined forces doing the current expansion. Though when all is said and done, the legion would still be waaaaay beyond the scourge in terms of military strength. To this i say, that the Scourge has already shown that they have great adabtability, when faced with a challenging opponent, such as military tactics and style of warfare, which as far as i've seen, is something the legion is severely lacking. The Scourge are masters of some sort of attrition warfare, which they used against Lordaeron, but they're also quite competent in a more direct warfare style, as displayed in the War of the Spider and the invasion of Quel'Thalas. (This one is a bit of a stretch, but it works in my head). Originally, the plague of undeadth and the Scourge's necromantic powers only extended to raising humans (as far as i know) but we've seen that they've been able to upgrade this ability, by the fact that at this point, i believe they're able to raise all playable races (excluding worgen, besides the death knight reanimation), Including a few others such as the Nerubians and Vrukuls. And as far as i know, the plague of undeath has also been further upgraded to affect these races. With that in mind, i'm curious to why people see it as utterly impossible to raise demons in a similiar fashion. Besides, the Scourge has proven to be quite effective with whatever kind of soul magic it is they posses, which i assume could also be altered to enable ensnarement of demon souls, which in essence renders the Legion's immortality useless. And if this is the case, then shouldn't the plague of undeath also be able to further developed to affect demons, if it is, this thing could run rampant across several legion worlds, effectively destroying them without the Scourge ever needing to launch an invasion. Besides with the Scourge forces that would be present on Azeroth, and the Lich King as it's master mind, i believe he'd be more than able to do what the cannon defenders of azeroth are doing, putting a plug in the legion flood gate, and holding them in place. while the plague does it's work. Now poke holes 'til i cry.
I've had a hypothesis that the crown of domination, is actually in control [even now with Bolvar] due to the darkening ways of our favourite frozen highlord- his rejection of the light, his buddy-buddy-ness with raising champions to fight "for-the-azeroth!" Would anyone else say there's validity in this?
I agree with most of what you said. But I think in a very long term the scourge could be as powerful as the Legion. I mean, the Legion was pretty disorganised before Sargeras turn into demon. And in fact if you consider that the scourge was always organised (by Nerzhul), if they had like 10 000 years to prepare for example, the scourge could be so powerful! And did any one considered to steal the soul of the demon to stop their rebirth when they die? (you know, they go back to their original world) A death knight can almost control the soul of the person (human, orc...) he does raise from death. I think that many things could be done by this army if they were researching to do this (soul control).
I doubt he will be happy that his former master was destroyed... No clue how he will react to the new Lich King, because I think that Bolvar is still in there.
One thing you didn't mention about Arthas is that he was the one who ultimately killed Ner'Zhul. While Arthas slept, he was dreaming of an old orc with a skull-painted face (Ner'Zhul) and a young, frail child (Himself/his humanity.) He ultimately, 100% as Arthas and not as the ultimate evil, decided to kill the young boy first, and then stab Ner'Zhul, saying that he himself would be the Lich King.
have the storylines on the Azeroth especially pandaria will we be seeing allies that we have helped thru the game show up in our final showdown on azeroth with the legion aka will we see the armies of the panderia show up and not just the ones from the wondering isles?
At the end why were all the undead carrying staves lol... Is that just how it is when you spawn that stuff in with the model viewers or whatever it is you use? xD
May Arthas rest in peace. Bolvar is doing quite nice at the containment of the Scourge, however I do wonder, how far can ones will go when still connected to Ner'zhul's spirit. Will definitely see some epic stuff this expansion and the ones to come.
Why yes in fact, I have killed him. Many times over! I must ask you now, did you watch the cinematic after he was killed? Bolvar takes on the role as The new Lich King. As you later know, he is containing the scourge otherwise they'll go rampant over the world. Thanks.
Mr.Vojtik That's what the public needs to know. But that's obviously not what happened. If the public knew about Bolvar taking up as the new Lich King, everyone would go ape shit, they're possibly lose faith with leaders, and more chaos would ensue globally, so this is the best way of keeping peace among normal life.
I think if they found a way to raise demons or imprison demons inside their bodies, the scourge could have conquered the legion, what is dead may never die so the spirit cant leave the body
I think undead zombies covering only one continent of one planet is nothing compared to demons from numerous planets and full of fell magic. Undead may have been a big threat to Azeroth but they were beatable. Only way of stopping legion is to cut off all portals to Azeroth. Guess we'll see though.
When it comes to simple reanimation, there is no need for a soul, there have been such cases during WotLK expansion, basically a troop which is just flesh and bone, mindless and soulless. From Legion expansion we see that they can use demon bodies in creation of their abominations, an experiment, but successful regardless.
Just remember, whenever you fight The Lich King, you die in that battle. No matter if you one shot him, you die in the end. You only win because Tirion wakes up.
Doronmovie ,you gave to much credit to arthas, nerzhul merged with him instead of being replaced according to the shadow-mourne quest chain arthas was only influential enough to limit nerzhul's power
Blowjobless this is the strongest legion invasion we've seen, and they have already killed many major lore characters and converted others. The legion wins without a doubt.
We would stand no chance. Back in the Black Empire days the Old Gods were still incredibly powerful. It took the power of all Titans to take down one Old God so we would stand absolutley no chance against the Old Gods.
If he had the entire world no, because the Legion controls many planets. Maybe after a while though if the scourge started invading they would in a way catch up to the Legion.
I'd like to think my Deathlord Dwarf is as powerful or more powerful (with his artifact weap) than even Thrall, hand of the new Lich King who seems more powerful than ever. I'd also reckon the Knights of Ebon Hold, should they ever utilize the scourge as a last-ditch effort to figth the legion, could at the very least gain an army that could hold the line, every dead demon could be a potential scourge, every fallen hero from various periods in time (so hundreds of thousands of corpses if not millions) can be risen as a death knight. I'm a bit biased though ;)
Joe Cannabyte yeah no. Sorry, your dk dwarf isn't as strong as thrall. Our characters even with their artifact weapons can't even take down someone like garrosh hellscream in his normal state.
I kill the Lich king every week for his mount :p But I think we kinda are. We are the fighting power of the lich king whilst Bolvar and his helm of domination are the will of the scourge. We're Bolvars Hammer.
4:02 Min.: I say it so: That Malganis is a servant of sageras was wronge and we found out the real true about the real loyality of the scourge and the lichking later on. He shell prepar the world. But NOT for the burning legion... XD He shell perpar it for the death to claim it. For the jailor. Source? Play the story of shadowlands :P
5:38 Min.: Mmmmh ask your self why the zitadelle is shaped like this and why is under this a thing the named: SOUL FORGDE... I mean how obvuisly can you make it blizzard... And we still all dont saw it coming ^^
Man... Arthas had the best nap... Or maybe he's cranky and that's why he woke up and started fuckin shit up. Still... Dude slept for years. If he DID ever marry Jaina, after that transformation, he'd be talented as fuck at not hearing her crap.
Legion is greatest enemy we are faceing but other than that what do you think wo is just under them? Not what they were when thes were at the top put when we faced them. For example Lei Shen was much more powerfull in his prime compared to when he was brought back so he wasn't that big of a threat when we faced him.
''Scourge is a shadow of its former self''? come on now, the lore clearly states that unleashed, the Scourge would utterly annihilate Azeroth, i don't see how the ''few'' small armies we faced in Northrend means they are weak. What the heroes of Horde and Alli killed during the expansion were nothing but irrelevant fodder, easily replenishable troops. Now in legion, the Deathlord and other champions just kicked Kil'jaeden's butt, while the Lich King literally played and wiped us in a single blow, id say the Scourge is capable of facing the Legion well enough, especially since they can use demon body parts for their own creations...if nothing more, as seen in DK campaign, you don't need souls, when you can just turn their own flesh against them.
WOTLK had the best soundtrack imo
It definitely had some of the best Warcraft music. Legion is starting to catch up though with some really good soundtracks.
Doronsmovies Omg omg omg omg, Doronsmovies just replied to me!! *is having a epileptic seizure*
In my opinion wod was the worst expansion but had the best soundtrack. The draenei and orc culture that you listen on musics are so danm awesome and motivates
I kinda prefer Cata, so much variation and originality.
Mop's music is also amazing, hearing each xpac's music instantly takes me back to a different part of my life. I got some super nostalgia recently in legion on the wondering isle
Undead Unholy DK. So ummm...
I was human,
then died.
Then was raised as undead.
Then broke free and became forsaken.
Then "died" again and became a DK.
Then broke free again and became a forsaken DK.
... and now am enslaved to the new Lich King in Legion and forced to fight the Burning Legion?
Nope, You are not enslaved to the new Lich King.
Well the new Lich King is telling me to do things. Speaking directly into my mind. Sending me on quests etc. Never seen the option to tell him off yet.
Scott Cavill Well, you didn't die a second time. You basically died, and when you were ressurected, your body was already in an advanced state of decomposition, and because of that, after you broke free from the Lich King, you were accepted into the Forsaken
Scott Cavill Well, you are not a slave lol. No where in lore says you are and I'm pretty sure you have a choice in the matter.
Ok so if i understand this correctly ...
I am a undead forsaken that does everything the new Lich King demands but only this time it is of my own free will.
Never forget that from everything that happened, war in Northrend was the bloodiest conflict in recent history (since opening of them dark portal). What show it most is event that most of people don't know about:
You know the Cathedral of Light? (that giant ass building in Stormwind). After defeat of LK, ceremony was hold in memory of fallen heroes. The cathedral was full of people, standing right next to each other with more people gathering outside. Each person that was there held a candle, and Archbishop Benedictus announced that each candle doesn't burn for 1 hero, not for 10 heroes, but for 100 heroes that fell in Northrend. At this point Jaina cried taking in the fact that at least 50 000 only Alliance soldiers died there.
Yeah, definitely many have perished. That is the main reason why the Scourge reached such numbers.
50.000 Alliance soldiers! Are you sure about that? But well, the war against the Lich King was a brutal and bloody one, so maybe you're right.... 50.000 ALLIANCE SOLDIERS ONLY! That's even without all the dead from the previous expansions, and Warcraft 1-3, and I wonder how many The Horde has lost through the times...
Simon Huus Kristensen Yes I'm sure about that. I would say that Horde lost similar amount of soldiers.
Mr.Vojtik Okay, cool. A massive amount, especially for the fantasy world of Azeroth! (doesn't the planet have another, more original name??)
I wonder what the Legion invasion now will cost....
Simon Huus Kristensen For how much do you count Varion?
I still consider to this day that the Scourge is the biggest threat we've ever faced. Sure, the Burning Legion managed to make sure that Azeroth split into all the continents, but they still didn't manage to destroy it. And they sort of tried again in the burning crusade but we quickly end up on Outland to rid of them. And now they are attacking again, giving them a chance to do even worse than before.
And yes, I know if the Burning Legion had a fight against the Scourge, the undead would lose. But that being said, considering what we got to know from WotLK: The Scourge was held back. And if we didn't have a new Lich King, the undead would be a much greater threat to Azeroth. There was a part of Arthas that kept them in check, just as how Bolvar does it now.
So... we've fought the Burning Legion when they try their hardest each time. Then we fought the Scourge that was being 'held back'. So because of that, to Azeroth: The Scourge has been the biggest threat so far - the Legion just never manage to get enough forces in. The rest of the unvierse though, definitely the Burning Legion (Or void Lords, maybe.)
oh boy did blizzard fuck wow story up
The Scourge could be eventually be a match to the Legion BUT it would take a very long time as Arthas says in the broken isles memory "The dead will always outnumber the living".
I'm wondering if you could do the theory that Ner'zhul isn't dead and that he is attached to the Helm of Domination. He was the one that manipulate Bolvar and the ghosts of Frostmourne so that the Horde, Alliance and Argent Crusade thought that the Scourge needs a leader when in reality it doesn't. If you think it it makes sense so that he could fulfill its vengeance against the Burning Legion and he's going to use the Heroes of Azeroth (as allies I hope) to get rid of Kil'jaeden, because the one that wanted to destroy the world was Arthas. Ner'zhul only participate in the Third War so he could get more undeads to his army and betray the Legion. It's a theory I've been thinking about. A tricky one I would say. What's your opinion?
And another thing, if the Lich King was Bolvar, he wouldn't have sent the Death Knights to resurrect an old friend as Tirion and attack the Light's Hope to achieve it.
Same though i have, no wonder Lich King was successful all the time, he needed Arthas' death
I like Ner'zhul as Lich King more than Arthas. And I always thought that Ner'zhul had greater power than we saw.
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I miss the Lich King. I started in 09 just after the launch of Wrath, and damn, do I miss that crazy, twisted, broken man.
This has me wondering it the Legion could in some way retake control over the scourge. Or if they have been experimenting with other races and planets as well. We do know from the War of the Ancients novel that the Legion was experimenting with the fallen Night Elf defenders, turning them into un-dead creatures. Not quite what the scurge is now, but like a pre-scourge thing. Or maybe this time was their 1st experiments with it.... I don't really recall?
They have different ways of making new soldiers. giving power - Eredars, corrupting - Orcs, ....
Orcs during their invasion on Azeroth had numerous necrolytes and warlocks that knew how to control the undead, but my guess is that the Scourge was a result of attempting to have perfect minions without the fear that they would rebel like the orcs eventually did. Guess that didn't went as planned, so there aren't similar projects to the Scourge. Also there is a chance Scourge under the Arthas begun absorbing the powers of Void Lords thus utterly alienating in anything Legion originally planned.
I think if Arthas didnt lose he would become something like a deity and take on legion oh man i wish that happened
no way
Nicely done mate contains every little detail that is required, a solid introduction and a great conclusion everyhing we can demmand from a lore type video
I think that the biggest weakness of the Scourge was Chris Metzen himself
I kinda agree hahaha. On lich king expansion and before we were simple heroes fighting to save the world but when cataclysm came out we turned into gods. Thats something thst always bothers me when i play multiplayer games with a lot of history involved
I so agree with that, it bothered me so much to kill the Lich King as he was the unstoppable wrecking train of WC3 and we...were about footies at best. Not the hero classes of WC3. Now it seems like we are all special little snowflakes that are the true hope for Azeroth and I personally think its kinda stupid. How could we (I'm a paladin and not near Uther's strength) kill the Lich King? Defeat him maybe, push him back sure and now with this class hall stuff I'm the "High Lord" of the Silver Hand...please. The only way I can think they can write this into lore is if we somehow are all actually one. Like all the paladins in WoW are actually one Paladin in the lore so to speak, etc etc.
Well there are multiple joints where all players are the same person, all hordes/ally are the same person, all paladins are the same person and so on.
And in the lore you are probally around the level of power of Uther now.
How exatly do you meen we turned into gods in cata i wonder?
The prophecy/choosen bullshit is also on both diablo 3 and starcraft 2... the nephilim... kerrigan... the real problem with blizzard games is the choosen one clichè on the story for now... Because the gameplay and optimization are great at the moment
Love this summation/narrative, so much fun to watch!
again, well done doron i like what you do here and dorronsmovies is 1 of my favorite youtube chanels
Dude, The Scourge was not one of the most bigest threats, it was ''THE'' Bigest threat, as Uther sayd in the ''Halls of Reflection''
He sayd that the lingering piece of Arthat that was still floating in The Lich King's mind was all that holded the Scourge from anihilating Azeroth.
So by all threats that we have faced, The Scourge was the biggest threat, we were lucky that Arthas will was strong enough to hold the Lich King and the scourge to swallow every living thing.
By the way, among everything we've ever faced, The Lich King was the only boss ''EVER'' to actually kill us, and i don't mean like a wipe, i mean in the lore, he actually killed us, so was the script, him killing us.
This boss, will remain legend, to be the strongest there ever was, shure there are bosses as Ley Shen who had the essence of Ra'Den, but he was far from close to kill us.
After all expansion i have gone through and all the challanges i've ever did, no enemie was as threatening as The Scourge.
When i first walked on the road to Icecrown, i was felling like there was nothing good, only death awaited me, a light forsakened place, the coldness themed place felt as cold as the Icecrown's environment, it was and it still is the land of the dead.
To be serious, what expansion was more viollend, horrifing, misterious, brutal, scary or crazyer than WotLK?
I'm not saying this because WotLK was my favorite expansion, no, MoP was my favorite, but i'm speaking here the truth.
I think the scourge could even overpower the Legion if it had enough time, think about it, a fallen knight raised as a Death Knight was 10 times more powerful as it was when it was alive, i wondered how powerfull a Doom/Fell Guard or any Demon would be if raised from the dead as The Ligh King's minions, Kill'Jaden created The Lich King, but that does not mean the creation can't surpass his creator, i think that when The Lich King was done with Azeroth it will turn his atention on the Legion.
And to be serious, i think a Lich or a Necromancer is more powerfull than any of te Legion's minion.
And... u know the Abominations, they are horrors created fro diffrend corpses, like an experiment, i think they would try the same experiment with demons, a demon abomination :) .
Kill'Jaden trully created the ultimate weapon, and if gived enough time it could overpower everything.
The world of the dead was evifient, and remember , demons are demons, but as like manny other creatures, they are also living creatures, they're not dead, and it means they can be used the same way.
The Legion is endless in numbers because they are revived in the nether and come back, think about it, they can't return in the Nether if they are rised as undead demons :)) and with this they'r number will diminish, going down to nothing, and the Scourge will triumph.
remember seeing this exact video back in 2016
really good stuff
From what I gathered in my researchs in his ultimate form the Lich King was actually able to control Knights of the Ebon Blade and the Forsaken yet he didnt because of his plan to create the ultimate fighting force as he described in the last phase of the LK fight when you DIED! Ofcourse even tho he was winning he underestimated the Light and the Ashbringer.
i hope the scourge and kel'thuzad make a return as kel'thuzad's character is written as loyal to arthas. Perhaps since kel'thuzad hasn't been permanently killed pff he could be sheming in the background to take control and grow over time.
What would you say was the ultimate goal for Arthas in WotLK, I mean besides just dominating the world?
As to Bolvar, I'm really hoping he's becoming more of an antihero that we'll need to ally with but no one will trust him much like most that ally with the Forsaken
Since Tyrion is now dead your character is the only one who knows what happened in the frozen throne and Bolvar. That gives a lot of possibilities for good lore for the future. I hope blizzard dont disappoint us. I dont like the fact that Chris Metzen retired
Right, but I was speaking of what would happen in a future expansion should others learn of him and need his aid. I haven't finished the DK campaign yet but I have started it so I was aware of the DK relation to him.
The DK campaign doesn't explain what's gonna happen next sadly :/
Spoilers!
At the end of the campaign you go to Light's Hope Chapel to raise Tirion Fordring as a DK. You fail and instead get Darion Mograine as the 4th Horseman. And that's pretty much it.
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That would be nice. I'm hoping they will continue them.
Hi doronsmovies, I'm a big fan of your content (and of warcraft lore un general) and want to help grow your channel, I was wandering if you'd like me to translate to spanish your videos so more people can actually enjoy them.
If you read this please respond to me. That's it man, keep on doing quality content!!!
Hey, that is great to hear. I do have community subtitles enabled so you should be able to do it on any recent video. If you do do decide to translate it I would greatly appreciate it. :)
Can we get a How Powerful are Warriors video? I know they aren't SUPER powerful lorewise. But a video would be interesting in any case
like a real life warrior? cant imagine anything better if you don't have magic skills.
accept y'know blessed by odin and cant basically die because of the valkyr and swing two massive two handers and always have kit changes because they are either worthless or broken af.
Except the only one to ever wound Sargeras was an Orc Warrior! Warriors might sound weak and feeble comparing to casters or anything else, but imagine how many times simple warriors managed to take down casters. A strong warrior could stand before anything as long as he is strong enough.
Sandro The Necromancer the only reason broxigar scratched sargares is because he had the axe of cenarius. broxigar actually lost to three highborn mages that weren't even trying to injure him... warriors are very weak lorewise grom hellscream is one the strongest warriors and gul'dan defeated him with just a weave of his hand
Arthas could of raised demons as undead it seems like the Ebon blade is doing that cause you can see Amal'thazad experimenting on demons and we also used demon body parts to create rotgutt
awesome vid! How far down your list is the how powerful are mages video?
So cool. Do more of the how powerful are the classes please.
Will continue that series with the next few videos.
I hope there is some future expansion involving the return of the Scourge
That expansion will fuck up the story to the point where it's not even a story.
Cough
Shadowlands
I just wonder why Kil'jaeden didn't do it himself or killing the Lich King by himself knowing that he was more powerful than his own creation?
Such a shame Doros doesn't get any attention, Should try collab with Nobel or something cause that could help you grow
People probably don't like his accent, but he is very knowledge able and he knows how to put a great video together.
I cant even describe how fucking good this channel is, keep it up!!!!
really well-made videos :3 I like listening to them while I draw!~
OH god I get nervous when you do anything scourge related. You showed your bias with that DK video but we see...
The scourge is nothing but a Legion creation.. it will return to us.........
I see the Legion PR game is on point.
Doronsmovies Yes.....
GUL'DAN!
o shit
Gul'dan is our only weapon , that can summon portion of MY army to the Azeroth...
Arthas will always be the true lich king!
so nerzhul was like hey I like your architecture I think I will incorporate it into my growing empire, also I'm taking over yours.
i think the scourge was really strong
besa plays wow spot on analysis
yep XD
Do a How Powerful was the Titan Construct Army or How Powerful was Y'shaarj.
Need Warlords of Azeroth. Alternate timeline Azeroth where Medivh is corrupted by Old Gods instead of Sargeras. It also needs goodish living Nerubians and an alternate version of the Lich King (or Queen?)
Amazing video Doronsmovies like always :)
Thank you, I appreciate it. :)
Really nice work, keep it up!
doron i have a question pls answer:do rogues use some kind of magic for stealth?
can you make how powerful the twilights hammer is?
Amazing Lore Video.
let me just start by admitting that i'm a huge scourge fan boy, and that i'm competent lorewise but not all knowing. But i'd like to throw in a few arguments as to why a war between the legion and the scourge would not be a predetermined legion win (i know i'm cutting the scourge alot of slack with these)
The way i personally see the scourge is by comparison something along the lines of Skynet from Terminator. An initial weapon design that got completely out of hand, and continuously upgraded/empowered itself, with the purpose of eventually waging war against it's creater, the legion.
First off, addressing the this "resolve" thing that the forces of azeroth seems to be commented on several times, that allows them to overcome impossible odds. As i see it, this "resolve" is simply the defenders fighting at their absolute maximum capabilities/fighting fanatically, because they're faced with a pretty grim alternative. While that's all well and good, doesn't the scourge also ALWAYS fight like this? i mean they're being mindcontrolled for goodness sake, so i imagine they'll be fighting at their maximum at all times. They don't fear, they don't surrender and they're practically immune to the legion's more subtle tactics, such as promises of power and fel corruption (as far as i know.)
While the legions numbers are infineltly bigger than that of the scourge, imagine for a moment that Tirion hadn't gotten that final blessing at the end of ICC. Arthas would have killed and raised azeroths strongest fighters to be his own personal champions, and then proceeded to break the siege of ICC and turn the tides of the war, as was his master plan. eventually the entirety of the known world (the playable races and their lands including several others) would have fallen and put into the lich kings service. Now Arthas not only has the same kind of firepower that the forces of Azeroth had, but even more, since they're combined with Arthas' initial Scourge forces and the fact that he is able to raise corpses no matter how old they are, which means all who have died in the past, will eventually be raised and put into the scourge army. By in addition to this, the civilians of the fallen kingdoms would also be added to the arsenal. Now he has an army several times the size of Azeorth's combined forces doing the current expansion.
Though when all is said and done, the legion would still be waaaaay beyond the scourge in terms of military strength. To this i say, that the Scourge has already shown that they have great adabtability, when faced with a challenging opponent, such as military tactics and style of warfare, which as far as i've seen, is something the legion is severely lacking. The Scourge are masters of some sort of attrition warfare, which they used against Lordaeron, but they're also quite competent in a more direct warfare style, as displayed in the War of the Spider and the invasion of Quel'Thalas.
(This one is a bit of a stretch, but it works in my head). Originally, the plague of undeadth and the Scourge's necromantic powers only extended to raising humans (as far as i know) but we've seen that they've been able to upgrade this ability, by the fact that at this point, i believe they're able to raise all playable races (excluding worgen, besides the death knight reanimation), Including a few others such as the Nerubians and Vrukuls. And as far as i know, the plague of undeath has also been further upgraded to affect these races. With that in mind, i'm curious to why people see it as utterly impossible to raise demons in a similiar fashion. Besides, the Scourge has proven to be quite effective with whatever kind of soul magic it is they posses, which i assume could also be altered to enable ensnarement of demon souls, which in essence renders the Legion's immortality useless. And if this is the case, then shouldn't the plague of undeath also be able to further developed to affect demons, if it is, this thing could run rampant across several legion worlds, effectively destroying them without the Scourge ever needing to launch an invasion.
Besides with the Scourge forces that would be present on Azeroth, and the Lich King as it's master mind, i believe he'd be more than able to do what the cannon defenders of azeroth are doing, putting a plug in the legion flood gate, and holding them in place. while the plague does it's work.
Now poke holes 'til i cry.
I've had a hypothesis that the crown of domination, is actually in control [even now with Bolvar] due to the darkening ways of our favourite frozen highlord- his rejection of the light, his buddy-buddy-ness with raising champions to fight "for-the-azeroth!" Would anyone else say there's validity in this?
Can you make a video on the void lords
I would love to see a "How Powerful are Druids?"
I agree with most of what you said. But I think in a very long term the scourge could be as powerful as the Legion. I mean, the Legion was pretty disorganised before Sargeras turn into demon. And in fact if you consider that the scourge was always organised (by Nerzhul), if they had like 10 000 years to prepare for example, the scourge could be so powerful! And did any one considered to steal the soul of the demon to stop their rebirth when they die? (you know, they go back to their original world) A death knight can almost control the soul of the person (human, orc...) he does raise from death. I think that many things could be done by this army if they were researching to do this (soul control).
Still wondering what happend to kel'thuzad. He isn't dead, atleast not entirely. Wondering who he is serving now or what he is up to
My guess is he still serves the lich king. His phylactery was never destroyed so he should still be around.
I doubt he will be happy that his former master was destroyed... No clue how he will react to the new Lich King, because I think that Bolvar is still in there.
As far as I've seen, no one really knows. He is definitely still alive as his phylactery is intact.
Amazing video man, I love your content.
Thank you. :)
So the next expansion after legion;World of warcraft:The return of the lich king!
How about a Forsaken lore video? Or how powerful are the forsaken. Maybe both.
hey doron could you make how strong is the warden for the next episode?
Actually it depends.if the scourge vs legion happen in azzeroth,scourge will win since Azzeroth managed to defeat the scourge and its Azzeroth
Btw you should have mentioned the Four Horsemen. IMO they are probably some of the most powerful beings ever to exist. But that's jsut my opinion.
One thing you didn't mention about Arthas is that he was the one who ultimately killed Ner'Zhul. While Arthas slept, he was dreaming of an old orc with a skull-painted face (Ner'Zhul) and a young, frail child (Himself/his humanity.) He ultimately, 100% as Arthas and not as the ultimate evil, decided to kill the young boy first, and then stab Ner'Zhul, saying that he himself would be the Lich King.
he only killed a portion of nerzhul
That is a book from another person,don't put it here,if it was relevant, they would have put that moment in the games
have the storylines on the Azeroth especially pandaria will we be seeing allies that we have helped thru the game show up in our final showdown on azeroth with the legion aka will we see the armies of the panderia show up and not just the ones from the wondering isles?
Ner'zhul is still the lich king he gave an epick voice for bolvar
You forgot to mention that Kel'Thuzad is still alive.
Can you do a video of "How strong were the High Elves"?
The only reason Bolvar is the new Lich King is because of a Light-ex-machina...
4:38 what is the song name here?
Iron horde vs Scourge pleaseeee!!
without arthas the scourge never would've become as powerful when he was in command
it was this powerfull as uthar said, "with out Arthas keeping Ner'zhul down, The scourge would have rampaged Azeroth"
At the end why were all the undead carrying staves lol...
Is that just how it is when you spawn that stuff in with the model viewers or whatever it is you use? xD
May Arthas rest in peace. Bolvar is doing quite nice at the containment of the Scourge, however I do wonder, how far can ones will go when still connected to Ner'zhul's spirit. Will definitely see some epic stuff this expansion and the ones to come.
Did you even defeated LK? Bolvar is dead.
i think some1 is not farming on Invincible :s..
Why yes in fact, I have killed him. Many times over! I must ask you now, did you watch the cinematic after he was killed? Bolvar takes on the role as The new Lich King. As you later know, he is containing the scourge otherwise they'll go rampant over the world. Thanks.
***** "...(Bolvar voice)Tell them only that the LK is dead, (LK voice) and that Bolvar Fordragon died with him..."
Mr.Vojtik That's what the public needs to know. But that's obviously not what happened. If the public knew about Bolvar taking up as the new Lich King, everyone would go ape shit, they're possibly lose faith with leaders, and more chaos would ensue globally, so this is the best way of keeping peace among normal life.
I think if they found a way to raise demons or imprison demons inside their bodies, the scourge could have conquered the legion, what is dead may never die so the spirit cant leave the body
What is the name of the first song pls ?
What about vs the Old gods' black empire?
I think undead zombies covering only one continent of one planet is nothing compared to demons from numerous planets and full of fell magic. Undead may have been a big threat to Azeroth but they were beatable. Only way of stopping legion is to cut off all portals to Azeroth. Guess we'll see though.
I wonder when will we get a "How Powerful Are Druids?" video
I have a question: can the body of fallen demons be raised by the lich king?
When it comes to simple reanimation, there is no need for a soul, there have been such cases during WotLK expansion, basically a troop which is just flesh and bone, mindless and soulless.
From Legion expansion we see that they can use demon bodies in creation of their abominations, an experiment, but successful regardless.
Could you raise the dead members of the legion if so could the scourge match the legion in strength
Can you do how powerful are mages plzzz
great video as always
wanna drop a hint on the next one?
Thanks. Doing something similar to the strongest characters just this time focusing on mortals.
Doronsmovies
You gonna do a how powerful *was* or *is*?
Just remember, whenever you fight The Lich King, you die in that battle. No matter if you one shot him, you die in the end. You only win because Tirion wakes up.
***** Not that kind of dying. But when he's at 20% HP and casts a debuff, right before Tirion shatters Frostmourne.
Doronmovie ,you gave to much credit to arthas, nerzhul merged with him instead of being replaced
according to the shadow-mourne quest chain arthas was only influential enough to limit nerzhul's power
love these videos
Great to hear. :)
The length of the video haha
Kakio 10:26 what so special about that kakio
8 min of lore and 2 min of how powerful the scourge was = moneyyyyy
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nice,but how will the scourge fair against the recent legion invasion (if we use the former command structure)?
Blowjobless basicly the scourge is quite weak now...
still able to destroy azeroth,but i meant at it's prime.
Blowjobless this is the strongest legion invasion we've seen, and they have already killed many major lore characters and converted others. The legion wins without a doubt.
Demons are immune to the plague.
i know that,i meant based on numbers and abilities.
How powerful was the Imperator Mar'gok pls!!!
Demons bodys can be turned in to undead, so in a possible invasio, the world would crumble to infinite mass of demons and reanimated demon carcasses
will we ever get an expansion where we like to to the past to fight the black empire? its sounds like it would be a amazing expansion
We would stand no chance. Back in the Black Empire days the Old Gods were still incredibly powerful. It took the power of all Titans to take down one Old God so we would stand absolutley no chance against the Old Gods.
taavidude didn't we kill a old god back in wrath of the lich king? he was last boss in uldaur if I remember right
jako997 That's because his power was only a fraction of his true power. He hadn't recovered fully yet.
Doron, do you think that the Scourge would have become more powerful than the legion if the LK's plan worked and he conquered all of Azeroth?
If he had the entire world no, because the Legion controls many planets. Maybe after a while though if the scourge started invading they would in a way catch up to the Legion.
Yeah, un-dead demons!
@@bobbybiggerstaff7269 Bizarre, isn't it?
I'd like to think my Deathlord Dwarf is as powerful or more powerful (with his artifact weap) than even Thrall, hand of the new Lich King who seems more powerful than ever. I'd also reckon the Knights of Ebon Hold, should they ever utilize the scourge as a last-ditch effort to figth the legion, could at the very least gain an army that could hold the line, every dead demon could be a potential scourge, every fallen hero from various periods in time (so hundreds of thousands of corpses if not millions) can be risen as a death knight.
I'm a bit biased though ;)
Joe Cannabyte yeah no. Sorry, your dk dwarf isn't as strong as thrall. Our characters even with their artifact weapons can't even take down someone like garrosh hellscream in his normal state.
Why would you think that?
I kill the Lich king every week for his mount :p
But I think we kinda are. We are the fighting power of the lich king whilst Bolvar and his helm of domination are the will of the scourge. We're Bolvars Hammer.
4:02 Min.: I say it so: That Malganis is a servant of sageras was wronge and we found out the real true about the real loyality of the scourge and the lichking later on. He shell prepar the world. But NOT for the burning legion... XD He shell perpar it for the death to claim it. For the jailor. Source? Play the story of shadowlands :P
5:38 Min.: Mmmmh ask your self why the zitadelle is shaped like this and why is under this a thing the named: SOUL FORGDE... I mean how obvuisly can you make it blizzard... And we still all dont saw it coming ^^
If they get more time, they may some day reach the strenght of the burning legion
Man... Arthas had the best nap... Or maybe he's cranky and that's why he woke up and started fuckin shit up. Still... Dude slept for years. If he DID ever marry Jaina, after that transformation, he'd be talented as fuck at not hearing her crap.
wait they confirmed the lich king is helping the dks in legion? man i just started legion and levelinf mt shadow priest firsr
Arthas story is quite similar with Kerrigan's don't you think?
Tarentula12 i don't think so
Sylvanas from 2019 says hey
The Highbourne could easily destroy the Scourge.. with the help of Azshara and her mages. But the scourge got their power after the night elves reign.
Im suprised you left out the cult of the damned but otherwise nice video
I mentioned Cult of the Damned in the video.
Doronsmovies oh right my mistake sorry
How powerful is Gamon?
Legion is greatest enemy we are faceing but other than that what do you think wo is just under them? Not what they were when thes were at the top put when we faced them. For example Lei Shen was much more powerfull in his prime compared to when he was brought back so he wasn't that big of a threat when we faced him.
how powerful is the alliance or horde
No mention of the fall of quel’thalas? 0kay.......
Now who most powerful... The scourge vs legion
''Scourge is a shadow of its former self''? come on now, the lore clearly states that unleashed, the Scourge would utterly annihilate Azeroth, i don't see how the ''few'' small armies we faced in Northrend means they are weak. What the heroes of Horde and Alli killed during the expansion were nothing but irrelevant fodder, easily replenishable troops.
Now in legion, the Deathlord and other champions just kicked Kil'jaeden's butt, while the Lich King literally played and wiped us in a single blow, id say the Scourge is capable of facing the Legion well enough, especially since they can use demon body parts for their own creations...if nothing more, as seen in DK campaign, you don't need souls, when you can just turn their own flesh against them.
I still think that the Scourge is pretty cool. :-)
5:00 unlished is full power FALSE it stated that ner'zhul and artahs never released theyr full power
wait, Lich king is helping legion in the new expansion?
Not the Legion but the death knights fighting the Legion.